BSS Rates

[north badger]

https://pokepast.es/cbbd4c8d8bf157ec what do we think about this, tried building around urshifu and goodra

[dusty herald]

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[tardy pier]

https://pokepast.es/03fd7e67ff7da8f9 just a little bit curious on how you’d rate this team.

[brazen bay]

Firstly I have no idea what the IVs are for, you really generally want perfect 31 IVs in every stat except for very specific situations. The EVs here are all over the place as well.

Aside from all that your choice of Pokémon and moves is also very poor, for lack of better words. It seems like you don’t know how competitive Pokémon works, which is fine. I would recommend reading up on how competitive Pokémon works and how to put together functional sets. I would also suggest you grab a sample team we keep a list of the top teams and update it at the end of every season. Looking through them would help give you a better idea of how to build satisfactory teams and sets. https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/battle-stadium-singles-samples-thread-if-you-got-a-ladder-ranking-of-1-8k-or-higher-on-switch-we-want-your-team.3713448/

[raw ferry]

anyone have an ev spread for utility pult with t-wave, u-turn, shadow ball, and dragon darts?

also should I go sash on it for gholdengo, or safety goggles for spore?

[burnt glade]

what is gholdengo’s ability

[raw ferry]

good as gold

does that nuillify sash?

obv I'm not going to be clicking t wave against dengo

im going to be clicking shadow ball twice

which i can only do if I run sash

I mention spore because breloom is decently common if thats why you might be confused I wasnt implying I thought dengo learned spore haha

[burnt glade]

Spore is a status move

[raw ferry]

I think you're not understanding what im asking

I want to use dragapult, not gholdengo

I was wondering if I should run sash on dragapult to assist the matchup into gholdengo

OR if i want to run goggles, so my dragapult can block spore

https://pokepast.es/2bba8098ff75c618 thinking of playing around with this team

[dusty herald]

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[raw ferry]

I should clarify the mons i want to use are t-wave pult, and d bond val. So I'd like any suggestions that complement those two rather than replace them

[brazen bay]

[raw ferry]

rank up match was awful. I almost lost to a LUVDISC TEAM I woulda deleted my account if that ihappened i swear

[surreal scroll]

Tbh with how unbalanced the game is literally one wrong turn against half of the mons in the meta can end up ending the battle so I'd just start up another battle and keep on going.

[raw ferry]

nah Iron Treads clinched like they always do

[raw ferry]

Can you save replays on switch?

[brazen bay]

Not without a capture card

unfort

[raw ferry]

I have a cap card I just don't always wanna do live commentary.

Finnair have to record my windows media player to make bss videos with post commentary

[calm imp]

What’s your opinion on my current team

[brazen bay]

Why no fighting stab on shifu

[surreal scroll]

What is thunderpunch attacking that sd close combat can't?

Maybe zapdos but after SD it prob dies to surging strikes anyway

[calm imp]

Think it was more around that there were so many ghost tears that I tried to play it a tad different I’ve seen the set on a few Japanese teams but always happy to try it out

And the thunder punch was just for longevity and bulky waters that thought they could wall

[north badger]

https://pokepast.es/cbbd4c8d8bf157ec thoughts? Tried making a team around urshifu dark and hisui goodra

[dusty herald]

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[brazen bay]

I’d replace something on hoodra with eq otherwise this team looks quite Heatran weak

also no fissure on the floppa

[north badger]

I never tried fissure on the bozo

[brazen bay]

Imo if you’re using curse dozo you should invest SpDef too

[north badger]

Mainly because my luck is ass

[brazen bay]

At least somewhat

[north badger]

I could replace tbolt on goodra with eq

[brazen bay]

I’d do sm like

Acid spray meteor flash cannon eq

[north badger]

I completely forgot goodra even got acid spray

[brazen bay]

Yea it really helps with its power issues

[north badger]

Neat

Do the goodra evs stay the same

[brazen bay]

Looks fine, I haven’t used hoodra much so I’d say just trial and error the EVs unless someone who’s more experienced steps in

[north badger]

Alright

The team is fine otherwise though?

Cause I want to make it on cart and don’t want to waste resources

[brazen bay]

Yeah generally looks pretty good. I prefer rapidfu but SS is still very strong.

Careful around chien-pao tho

Lot of em are running tera to snipe Dondozo and Rshifu

[north badger]

Yeah pao seems like an issue

Idk what to do about him, bro just dismantles everything

[brazen bay]

Swap one of kleavor moves for feint

It’s rly high priority

[north badger]

I’ve never heard of that move in my life

[brazen bay]

Iirc it bypasses most faster priority

It’s pretty weak generally but if you hit Pao with stone axe it’ll be at sash and then you can feint to finish it off

[north badger]

Oh that’s kinda good actually

[brazen bay]

Not iron clad obv bc crash flinches but it’s something

[north badger]

I’d rather have a chance at beating pao than just getting destroyed by it

[brazen bay]

You could change tera to water or sm to eat crash better too if you really want

[north badger]

On kleavor?

[brazen bay]

Ye

Also helps against shifu

Since Rshifu will just blow right through kleavor

[north badger]

Hmm, I’ll have to try it out

[raw ferry]

What are some good pokemon to team up with h samurott for spikes offense?

[raw ferry]

https://pokepast.es/dc66de0bccb7708c theory crafting for next season. Wanna do spikes offesne with samurott. Not 100% sold on abom screens/ iron moth tho

[dusty herald]

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[raw ferry]

actually you know what I think booster energy flutter does more for me than moth

[raw ferry]

https://pokepast.es/0508a79e21031b15 revised team

[stone holly]

Im not one of those but id like to give you a small tip that spikes is probably on the lower viability of hazards in bss
Compared to stealth rocks and then followed a few steps down by toxic spikes

Also im not sure exactly what you are trying to tank by using defensively evd hsamu either

Also if you are using bundle ice beam is better as a secondary ice move than blizzard honestly
Or are you trying to have it benefit from aboma setting snow up ?

For sneasler ghost is honestly a much better type for it than dark if you are going unburden

If you are going booster mane it would honestly be worth probably putting sub or another status move and potentially going tera water over ghost imo

For spikes teams as well it good to have phasers like ting lu to abuse the hazards as well

[stone holly]

Also what are you trying to use av treads to deal with specifically

[raw ferry]

treads has always been great in my experience and assault vest combos well with its kit. It's my fluttermane check, as well as dedicated lead vs kleavor and glimmora.

I'm also dark over ghost on sneasler for psychics which has come up. Maybe if I run calcs ghost could still live a psyshock from fluttermane or some other pokemon

defensive samu was just a set i got from someone else, and yeah blizzaerd bundle was for abom

but ive already done a lot of changes to this team

[stone holly]

I wouldnt really reccomend bulky hsamu in the current meta at least honestly

[raw ferry]

cut abom, swapped bundles set, moved to scarf samu,

also hows tera fire over water for mane? to resist steel and power up mystical fire

[stone holly]

Also the thing with treads is quite a bit of flutter mane are tera water rhese days

These*

To either help get past heatran or hisui goodra whi have steel moves for it

Fire , i honestly dont vibe with personally currently , since heatran is still relevant and often carries earth power

And some hoodra run eq for heatran

[raw ferry]

If spikes is worse than rocks I might swap samu for kleavor

[raw ferry]

https://pokepast.es/4bdc0b37220bb3d9 revised team. Not 100% sold on Treads over tusk now, and entry hazards might not be the wave but i don't think this is too bad

[dusty herald]

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[chrome sphinx]

Im not so sure about treads either tbh, I feel like the deadliest treads are the ones that use Endeavor

(granted I havent touched AV Treads in eons)

[brazen bay]

You’ve at least tried it

I haven’t

[obtuse dirge]

@brazen bay

https://pokepast.es/6e8014c6971c5b90

nya

[dusty herald]

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[brazen bay]

The bot already tags me smh

[obtuse dirge]

i thought it was on cd

[brazen bay]

I’d give cress mental herb, since you’re using tr support

Cloak is for the sets that try to win the game after getting rid of its checks

[obtuse dirge]

ah ok

[brazen bay]

Go with a defensive tera for zap

water would be my choice personally, helps against pao

Tera water on shifu too

[obtuse dirge]

ok

[brazen bay]

Or electric

Depending on what you want

And go lefties over LO on hands

[obtuse dirge]

i didnt do tera's anyways could tera poison work on cress

[brazen bay]

Helps with longevity

And hands isn’t really lacking in power especially with swords dance

[obtuse dirge]

ok urshifu scarf is crazy 2hkos gholdengo..

anyways tysm

[brazen bay]

👍

[raw ferry]

do we want tera fairy on shell armor hoodra?

[raw ferry]

https://pokepast.es/dfe10da4864eac65 posting this here. My second attempt at screens

[dusty herald]

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[raw ferry]

@brazen bay on tera ghost bundle do you think i should be on sub or flip turn?

other moves are freeze dry, pump, and encore

[brazen bay]

Sub

The whole point of tera ghost is to grab a sub on attempted espeeds and lock Dnite into it

[raw ferry]

sick

[raw ferry]

how good is setting up in 3v3?

caught another Iron Val and was thinking of making it a calm mind set

[surreal scroll]

If you manage to use your turns carefully it can lead to winning a game after one or two turns

Minimize your opponents opportunities to set up by pressuring them and capitilizing on mistakes then maximize your turns to set up. Get one or two good turns and thats game. Though know this is a gross over simplification of what to actually do.

[chrome sphinx]

CM Iron Valiant is pretty unusual in BSS too. Could be viable, at the very least I dont think people are gonna expect it lol

but an awkward thing is that its gonna probably have Flutter Mane issues

the few Valiants I saw, I actually saw them switch to Spirit Break with Booster despite Moonblast outdamaging a lot of mons, I think its specifically for Flutter Mane lol

[raw ferry]

I have a SD set but it's special move pool is just so much better

I could run SD instead tho

as of now i have a mixed destiny bond set but I could also take the mixed set full physical

this is for the screens team specifically which is why i was thinking one setup mon might not be too bad

but then again im also playing bulk up great tusk

[raw ferry]

@brazen bay can scream tail with play rough reflect light screen and t wave be an urshifu check? I'd really like to compress the shifu check and screen setter rolls so i can swap my dondozo for a rock setter

[raw ferry]

https://pokepast.es/d3237d2cb81b4646

[dusty herald]

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[raw ferry]

swarm should be sharpness oops

[raw ferry]

https://pokepast.es/834b5db6dae8a030

[dusty herald]

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[raw ferry]

was also thinking of a landorus t set over tusk as a heatran check

[brazen bay]

Lando would make a better ground type imo, pivoting and the higher speed tier with intimidate allows it to be a threat in its own right as well as decent team support as a pivot

also I’d probably change some sets around, you have screens grimm but only a few things that actually take advantage of the turns afforded by said screens. Maybe add a DDnite or something, make flutter a calm mind set, even gambit could do a nasty swords dance set here

SD Shifu is also an obvious mon that you could (and honestly should) have on a team like this

[raw ferry]

I still am shifuless 😔

I could go booster energy flutter, and then swap valiant off for annihilape bulk up?

also what lando set would you advise?

I wanted scarf set so i could invest less in speed and more in special bulk for heatran

[raw ferry]

@brazen bay Max HP/ Max Speed or Max Speed/ SP.A on volcarona?

reworking the screens team

[brazen bay]

I actually don’t use Volcarona much I’d ask @chrome sphinx he uses volc a bit actually

[chrome sphinx]

I actually used the outspeed Dragapult after a boost spread ob ny team last season, should be in its old analysis @raw ferry

Imo volc wants a ton of bulk

Like more than just max hp

[raw ferry]

even behind screens?

https://pokepast.es/f463de26feab919a here's the team its on

[dusty herald]

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[chrome sphinx]

Yeah so then you can have gameplans without needing screens

Just note I cant do a full rate yet, gotta do an irl thing first!

[raw ferry]

I also want to at least speed tie timid scarf chi-yu after a dance

not looking necesarily for a full rate just contextualizing the set

[raw ferry]

https://pokepast.es/6043c8f145f3442f this is the actual team I am looking to climb to master ball with this season. In particular I'm curious if destiny ponb val would be better than SD val

[dusty herald]

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[hexed bolt]

https://pokepast.es/9a968d0bf27f1311 This team is unfinished and only consists of three pokemon, I dont know if this breaks the rule or not but I just need suggestions on what I could add/change/edit/remove

[dusty herald]

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[waxen iris]

https://pokepast.es/2815dc8f6278c45f

Gonna give BSS another shot with this.

[dusty herald]

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[waxen iris]

Unsure on the specific Dragonite set, but I wanna at least keep Gallade.

[brazen bay]

idt Gallade is good at all in this meta I would highly suggest dropping it

[waxen iris]

https://pokepast.es/d386f0b4e7563c9c
It's dual fighting either way still so w/e.

[raw ferry]

@chrome sphinx been thinking about your advice about volc do you think tera water tera blast is better on the outspeeding d pult after a dance set?

I'm grinding tera shards and shouold have enough water shards

[brazen bay]

What mon is this

[raw ferry]

Volc? Volcarona. I was asking if tera blast water tera is the best set for the volc spread aiming to outspeed pult after a quiver dance

[brazen bay]

Oh I missed the part where you said volc lol

If you’re aiming to outspeed Pult logic would say that it’s probably best to have something to actually hit it in order to take advantage of that

So something like fairy would probably be better imo

Otherwise it’s kinda like

Yeah you can outspeed it but you’re still not exactly gonna do anything and physical sets will just eat the hit and delete you

[raw ferry]

gotcha thanks for the advice

[tawny crystal]

https://pokepast.es/c3d1d7fefee35364 Pretty standard team IMO but wondering how to improve strategies

[dusty herald]

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[brazen bay]

I’ll take a look at this after work but at first glance I can tell you that if you’re not making use of wisp there’s pretty much no reason to use Spectrier over flutter mane, especially if you’re using tera fairy

[tawny crystal]

Yeah I see. I think I chose Spectrier because it had good Special Attack and also I thought it would be faster but I think even with base stats Flutter Mane is actually faster.

[brazen bay]

Spectrier is slightly stronger but slower, flutter mane is faster, has better STABs and a pretty wide auxiliary movepool, on top of Protosynthesis and booster energy bs always being an option

[raw ferry]

@brazen bay you think draining kiss can work on CM flutter?

[brazen bay]

Absolutely

[raw ferry]

boss

[brazen bay]

I actually think if you use that as your long term wincon dkiss is better than Moonblast

Since keeping yourself healthy is really important for the bulkier sets

Because even with heavy defense investment flutter mane still just barely lives most physical hits

so any chip damage can be seriously detrimental

[tawny crystal]

Agreed. But coincidentally its Flutter Manes that I keep getting checked by

[brazen bay]

Specs?

[tawny crystal]

Most of them are scarfed

[brazen bay]

Scarf flutter is pretty rare afaik but same thing applies to scarf and specs to a degree

[tawny crystal]

It might be specs actually

[brazen bay]

Try to force it into locking into a specific move that you can take advantage of

[tawny crystal]

I just assume scarf because i think i have alot of fast mons on that team

[brazen bay]

So if you have your own flutter out, try making it lock into shadow ball so you can send in like

Tera normal Dnite for example

You’ll get a free DD as it has to switch out bc shadow ball thuds into it

Stuff like that

[tawny crystal]

what about tera fairy moonblast

casue thats the main issue

[brazen bay]

Gholdengo can eat that

[tawny crystal]

got it

[brazen bay]

Scizor is a good option too

Just bullet punch after it kills whatever you have out and be done with it

[tawny crystal]

I was thinking to get rid of overqwil

cause before I had hisui avalugg

[brazen bay]

If you want a poison type

I’ve been using scarf Sneasler

[tawny crystal]

cause i wanted a bulky mon

[brazen bay]

It’s really good imo

[tawny crystal]

my scarf kleavor has actually been working for me quite well

[brazen bay]

Ye scarf kleavor is one of the few kleavor sets I think is actually functional

The lead sash set is kinda garb

Urshifu leads into it and you just take the L or waste tera

[tawny crystal]

yeah its mostly urshifu that gets it

but otherwise i like it

[brazen bay]

If the opp has a shifu they’re almost certainly leading it into kleav

You can abuse that

Lead like

Flutter or sm

Scare it out

[tawny crystal]

okay ill try that

[brazen bay]

I’d recommend making sure you have contingencies in place in case it’s scarf tho

Booster flutter can beat shifu pretty handily but if you’re using specs or sm

[tawny crystal]

that why electrode

[brazen bay]

Scarf shifu can still just bust through you

Ehhh

I’d go with something else

[tawny crystal]

yeah lol i was gonna say

[brazen bay]

Dnite is better

If you really don’t wanna deal with shifu you can use WA clodsire

Just make sure you tera ghost or sm so it can’t SD past you

I’d use curse for good measure too

[tawny crystal]

thats not bad actually

replace overqwil?

[brazen bay]

I see it a bit at high ladder

Ye drop qwil

There’s always the mix up too bc unaware is still really good

[tawny crystal]

👍

[brazen bay]

Oh Toxapex is another good shifu answer

But make sure you run haze and/or toxic

Otherwise SD can beat you

Ideally you’d run both but if you can only fit one do haze

[tawny crystal]

ooo yeah i forgot about that

cause i feel closire might be too obvious

unless more people are running unaware that water absorb

[brazen bay]

Clod is decent imo it’s main drawback is that it’s specifically a shifu check

Toxapex can be more of a blanket physical sponge

[tawny crystal]

maybe im relying on tera too much lol

[brazen bay]

But clod is very vulnerable to stuff like Dnite even without boosting bc of its pretty mid defense

Toxapex has to specifically invest in a couple moves to beat shifu as consistently but it can also check and annoy a few other things

Clod is a great special sponge tho

[tawny crystal]

imma try both and see what works

[brazen bay]

Just remember that both of them are quite passive

So don’t get too comfy with them in or you’ll probably end up letting something set up on you

[tawny crystal]

got it

[brazen bay]

Dondozo is a good mid ground between Dnite and clod/pex, it’s a good check (though it can be overwhelmed by choice band) and has a decent enough offensive presence between wave crash and fissure, though lack of reliable recovery can sometimes hold it back when protecting to ensure leftovers isn’t a guarantee

[hasty minnow]

https://pokepast.es/bae335fab6c4de6a i kinda have no idea what im doing

[dusty herald]

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[chrome sphinx]

So for that Urshifu-R, I think you got two paths

[brazen bay]

why brick break over drain punch or cc

[chrome sphinx]

either go offensive with Close Combat, or bulky with Drain Punch

[raw ferry]

Hit master ball with this team went 4-0 with it through Ultra. The only thing I would change off the top of my head is Valiant to either a calm mind set or an all out attacking set.

[dusty herald]

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[narrow ruin]

Can i bother you guys for some help with this =*[

Mane max spa, speed, 4 hp, breloom max speed max atk 4 hp, the kingambits evs are wonky, i made spD 200 and then dumped rest into def and hp

Slowbro max hp max spA, ting lu max spD max hp

And dragonite max attack max hp

Ive swung from like... 1,800 to 30k this season this team

[raw ferry]

@narrow ruin try booster energy flutter, and maybe swap Tera types ting lu might want ruination over fissure for consistency and d nite might like leftovers over helmet in a dragon dance set. Also I'd consider a fighting move on gambit over guillotine and maybe Tera flying.

@brazen bay building an Ursaluna and I know I'm running facade, headlong rush, and trail blaze on it. I aant your input on if I should run Jolly or adamant, and if the 4th move should be play rough or swords dance. Thanks for your help if you can <3

[brazen bay]

If you’re using trailblaze go jolly

Fourth move is super flexible too just mess around and see what you like more

I like ice punch for Lando and dragons

[narrow ruin]

Venerable derpy of the lake :×?

[brazen bay]

[narrow ruin]

Any suggestions :(?

[raw ferry]

https://pokepast.es/bae4d934ddca3ad6 how's this look? Thinking of giving this to a friend

[dusty herald]

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[stone schooner]

https://pokepast.es/924374c6ba9b28ff

Any suggestions to improve this? I’m not sure about keeping corviknight but I don’t know what to replace it with

[raw ferry]

https://pokepast.es/d6ea063937f26925 fixed sneaslers evs

[stone schooner]

Oh, I forgot about the tera types here. Besides suggestions on that, then, because that has now been fixed

[stone schooner]

I decided I might need more type coverage instead of corviknight maybe, so I changed it to this. If I should maybe change it back, swap that to a different pokemon or any other changes that’d be helpful to know https://pokepast.es/576641c5abcb13b0

[dusty herald]

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[chrome sphinx]

shoot I missed this! I'm still trying to get my RMT done but, one thing I would def think about @stone schooner is a more defensive tera type for that bundle, somthing like ghost maybe to mess with Dragonite. To be clear you can run a lot of tera types on bundle, but just something to consider!

Also not really sure about that Sandaconda set. I mean if I'm being honest Im skeptical of Sandaconda in general, but it does have an interesting ability and Glare is cool. What I'm less convinced about is Minimize being reliable

[stone schooner]

Ahh ok yeah I can try that

Minimize can be really funny though, but yeah maybe not

[chrome sphinx]

evasion can be tempting especially since it being banned on Smogon can make you go "OOOOO" like how OHKO moves seem cool, but evasion is waaaay less reliable than OHKO moves if you can believe it lol

[raw ferry]

I've noticed that between this team and last time you're focusing a lot on cheese strats over consistent strats

[chrome sphinx]

I mean, if cheese strats are leading you to getting a high ranking, there's nothing wrong with that!

[raw ferry]

Like fissure ting lu and guillotine kingambit on the same team last time

[chrome sphinx]

but a lot of the "good" cheese mons got back up plans if the cheese doesnt work out

[raw ferry]

Well they were saying they fell to 30k elo

[stone schooner]

I mean I get sandaconda, what else is “cheese” on my team?

[chrome sphinx]

so like, Kingmabit and Dondozo using OHKO moves got something more to them than OHKO moves

what worries me about that Sandaconda is that it seems to go all-in on evasion

[raw ferry]

So I was just suggesting going for more consistent strategies over evasion boosting and ohkos

[chrome sphinx]

to put it another way

[stone schooner]

I dont have any ohko moves on my team?

I was thinking about replacing sandaconda with toxapex though

[chrome sphinx]

its a lot easier to justify OHKO moves because there's usually not a ton of comitment to using them unless its like Articuno lol. But for evasion it sorta dominates the mon most of the time

[raw ferry]

I qas.talking about last team

[chrome sphinx]

hmm if you use Toxapex you might want to try something that really likes Toxic Spikes

[raw ferry]

I hate autocorrect

[stone schooner]

Last team? There wasnt ohko on either of the teams I posted

[chrome sphinx]

like a lot of Toxapex teams use Wo-Chien for example

because Wo-Chien is really nasty with Toxic Spikes

[stone schooner]

Should I remove corviknight/ursaluna? Currently I’m using thundurus therian instead of corviknight for pivot

[chrome sphinx]

if what you're looking for is "bulky glue mon" believe it or not Toxapex wouldnt be my first choice

[raw ferry]

Oh fuck I'm sorry glacier I got you confused the the person posting their team before you. My bad

[chrome sphinx]

when you use Toxapex usually it means you're trying to acomplish a specific goal

[raw ferry]

Sorry about that

[chrome sphinx]

I guess it depends, how do you use this team Glacier? Like it looks like a mostly really offensive team to me except for the Ting-Lu, nothing wrong with that! But it might impact what mons you want to try

[stone schooner]

Im sorry I don’t really understand what you mean, I just think I need a bulky/high sustain mon and with toxic being the status I could use

[chrome sphinx]

gotcha sorry I didnt explain that too well! Basically, there are better "bulky" mons for general use than Toxapex, stuff like Dondozo and Dragonite. But Toxapex still pops up on teams that REALLY focus on taking advantage of the Toxic status, because its real good at spreading that

the reason I wouldnt think of Toxapex for this team is because I think you'd want to change even more members if you're using Toxapex

[raw ferry]

Encore dragonite is a crazy anti stall/set up tech too

[chrome sphinx]

yeah and you got Stealth Rock support too, so something like Dragon Tail Dragonite could totally work here too

or like paraflinch Dragonite

and thanks to SR support, Yawn Dondozo is a lot more dangerous than some other teams so thats why that came to mind as well

[raw ferry]

A pokemon that I have fallen in love with is shelter body press h goodra with heavy slam for flutter and tail for phasing

[stone schooner]

Who else would you suggest changing? I was already changing corviknight to possibly thundurus just for more type matchups, but I also might wanna get rid of ursaluna on top of sandaconda

[chrome sphinx]

if you replace Ursaluna I think you're gonna have to think about stall breakers

[stone schooner]

Ursaluna hasnt been doing great for me so yea

Stall breakers?

[chrome sphinx]

there is another option for Ursaluna tho

this is gonna sound insane but

you could use max speed Jolly Ursaluna

because a lot of defensive stuff like bulky Dragonite have way more issues with fast Ursaluna

[stone schooner]

fast ursaluna? Seriously?

[raw ferry]

Max speed Jolly Luna with trailblaze is a build km trying

Yeah

[stone schooner]

huh

[chrome sphinx]

just uhh, watch out for stall teams that have "suspicious levetate Pokemon" like Misdreavous or Rotom formes. Not even joking, those HAVE been going around on stall teams because enough Ursaluna dont have ghost coverage atm

[raw ferry]

If you're running headlong rush you can cut bulk up for blaze

Then you can swap play rough for SD if you want

[stone schooner]

ok let me try something and I’ll send a new pokepaste one sec

[chrome sphinx]

in your case you might want SD

[stone schooner]

Sd?

[raw ferry]

Swords Dance

[chrome sphinx]

Bulk Up is good but its mostly on like Tera Normal Ursaluna cuz you dont need Swords Dance for that

[stone schooner]

Ah

[chrome sphinx]

with Swords Dance I think +2 Facade actually OHKOs Ting-Lu, also 2HKOs Corviknight lol

[raw ferry]

Might as well double boost atk if you're dropping your defense with rush

[chrome sphinx]

(to be clear I do prefer Bulk Up on Tera Normal tho)

but your'e using Tera Ghost so yeah

[raw ferry]

Yeah SD facade and rush is a super strong core

[chrome sphinx]

you might not have to worry about this till you get high on the ladder but

if you start seeing stall teams

you might want to start running Shadow Claw

just because Ursaluna gets totally owned by some of the high rated stall teams without that lol

I even saw a team that went far enough to use Ghost Tera Blast to avoid Rocky Helmet damage lol

[raw ferry]

What's the best stall breakers you can think of for reg d off the top of your head theorymon?

[chrome sphinx]

I mean despite what I said Ursaluna is still among the best

because you have to go out of your way to use some STRANGE shit to beat that with stlal

Chi-Yu is still super dangeorous at that provided you got good Urshifu checks

[raw ferry]

Tera ghost cress I heard was one of those techs

[stone schooner]

https://pokepast.es/32514a9b68f2baa3

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw ferry]

I don't think tera grass is where you wanna be on luna

[stone schooner]

I just thought that for trailblaze + water and grass resistance

What should I use instead?

[raw ferry]

Normal or ground for stab or ghost to dodge fighting

[chrome sphinx]

Ive seen Tera Grass Luna before but idk about that for this team

the big thing about Trailblaze

[stone schooner]

Changed it to normal

[raw ferry]

I'd be on normal personally but I'm also on ice punch over sd

[stone schooner]

What else though?

[chrome sphinx]

is that Jolly Ursaluna outspeeds Urshifu with it

so if its like CB / Punching Glove, they get OHKOed

Im actually thinking Tera Fairy or Tera Poison might be the play for you, the former if you stick with Toxapex

because with Tera Fairy you can flip a potential Urshifu revenge kill into a KO / Trailblaze set up

[raw ferry]

I like Tera ice on thundur. And I would consider imdlfestation plus toxic on pex if you wanna break individual pokemon with it

Or haze to stop set up

[stone schooner]

You said I might need to switch more if I go with toxapex, is there another mon I should switch?

[chrome sphinx]

well I gotta think about this its just

I heavily associate Toxapex with slower paced Wo-Chien teams that sometimes go as far

as using 0 Spe Toxapex to win timer stall situations

which is like the opposite of what your team is going for

[stone schooner]

hm

What should I use instead of pex then?

[chrome sphinx]

you might want to try a bulky Dragonite

[narrow ruin]

😦

[chrome sphinx]

Dondozo can work too even if it may not have perfect type synergy with your team, it still checks stuff and its a good fit with that Ting-Lu

those are at least the first two mons I'd consider

[raw ferry]

Is there any reason you wanna play pex specifically?

[stone schooner]

I think dragonite might work better(?)

[raw ferry]

Yes

[chrome sphinx]

you might want to read the Dragonite smogon analysis for BSS btw

[stone schooner]

Status + bulk, I don’t have anything else for status right now then

[chrome sphinx]

Dragonite has... an intimidating amount of options LOL

[stone schooner]

I will, and yeah I’ve seen a lot of different dragonites in my battles

[raw ferry]

You don't need need status I bss

[chrome sphinx]

we dont cover some of the REALLY crazy stuff that just came out like mixed DD Tera Blast Dragonite, but we cover a LOT of them

and tbh when I say "bulky Dragonite" thats like, 4-5 different Dragonite sets that could work

[raw ferry]

I usually only go with will o or t wave of my team needs speed control or added physical survivability

[chrome sphinx]

and you might only find out which one works best by experimenting

[stone schooner]

I saw someone using encore + firespin which I did not expect

[raw ferry]

Yup lol

[chrome sphinx]

like paraflinch Dragonite, bulky Dragon Dance, Dragon Tail, Fire Spin + Encore... these are all viable and dangerous Dragonites

[raw ferry]

I was thinking of a landorus lure set with ice beam

[chrome sphinx]

and they all fall under bulky Dragonites

[raw ferry]

Encore t wave roost 1 atk dnite?

[stone schooner]

hm

[raw ferry]

How does that sound

[chrome sphinx]

yeah its like

[stone schooner]

So you dont think I need anything that applies status?

[chrome sphinx]

Encore / Thunder Wave / Air Slash / Roost

[raw ferry]

I really like encore and roost

[chrome sphinx]

some use Iron head or EQ somewhere depends on the team

[raw ferry]

Oh yeah thats nasty

[chrome sphinx]

I dont think you need status but like it can work

[raw ferry]

Iron Head punish flutter and ice beam spam

[chrome sphinx]

like if I used Dondozo on this team it'd def be a Yawn one

for Dragonite I have no idea yet, Dragonite is an overwhelming Pokemon to think about LOL

[stone schooner]

You mentioned dondozo fissure, do you think I should actually go for that with yawn?

[raw ferry]

Dragonite is so disgustingly versatile

Yawn protect fissure is a real set

[stone schooner]

Everytime I see a dragonite I choose iron bundle because I do not want to deal with that

[raw ferry]

I'd go heavy slam or body press over fissure tho

Every team I play has a heavy slam user

I want a flutter mane delete key

[stone schooner]

I have ting lu

And urshifu sucker punch can sometimes ohko, i think always if it isnt bulky

[chrome sphinx]

I gotta get back to my RMT soon but there is something that actually worries me looking at this team

[stone schooner]

Hm?

[chrome sphinx]

Im a bit worried Flutter Mane has a lot of paths towards sweeping you, you might want to consider a mon that can deal with it more reliably

[raw ferry]

You could swap slam for eq on ting lu and run slam on dozo is what I would suggest

Or

[stone schooner]

I have ting lu

[chrome sphinx]

like think bulky AV mons like Hiusian Goodra, or Scizor to help with priority, etc. This can be a trickier issue to solve mind you

or maybe more SpD invesmtent on Ting-Lu

[raw ferry]

Iron Treads

:>

[chrome sphinx]

thats actually another reason to consider Dondozo

a common thing Ting-Lu players do

is that they turn 1 tera to zap momentum from stuff like Flutter Mane

and Dondozo does really nicely with that, cuz with SR its less presured to use OHKO moves so its more free to do nasty Yawn stuff

[stone schooner]

uh

[raw ferry]

Honestly max hp max Def hisui goodra is a mon I have been loving

[stone schooner]

I’ve definitely turn 1 tera’d for heavy slam against fluttermane

[raw ferry]

Shelter body press dragon tail, heavy slam Tera fairy

[chrome sphinx]

yep thats a pretty Ting-Lu thing to do!

If you go the Dragonite route then I'd def use a Dragonite set that isnt totally reliant on Tera

so like dont use bulky DD cuz that really needs Tera for most variants

but stuff like Fire Spin + Encore and Paraflinch and Dragon Tail can work without tera for sure

[stone schooner]

What

[chrome sphinx]

because right now I think you really rely on Tera to deal with late game Flutter Manes

[stone schooner]

I thought you just said fissure dondozo would be good for that

Or did you say it wouldn’t be

[chrome sphinx]

oh it can be, but you dont need it 100% is what Im saying

because with SR, Yawn is applying more pressure than just sleep

because now players have to take damage if they want to avoid getting put to sleep thanks to SR

[stone schooner]

Whats sr

[chrome sphinx]

Stealth Rock

[stone schooner]

Ah

[raw ferry]

I just think using a heavy slam user that doesn't need to Tera to beat mane is a good way to go. Run heavy slam dozo and gone ting lu eq.

[chrome sphinx]

sorry sometimes I forgot not everyone is used to acronyms like that lol

[raw ferry]

So you don't need to save your Tera to beat it

[stone schooner]

I changed ting lu’s evs and added dondozo, is this better or uh https://pokepast.es/fe9191a4a2750d6c

If theres something more specific for the evs that’d be better then I’ll use that, this was just my attempt

So would a heavy slam dondozo, then remove heavy slam on ting lu for something like taunt, give dondozo more attack EV’s, would that be a better way to deal with flutter?

Or does this look good now

[raw ferry]

I'd give ting lu Earthquake over taunt because whirlwind already stops set up. And dozo can rock max hp max Def with 4 in atk or uou can ev it to live 2 flutter mane moon blasts if you want it to switch in to it. But heavy slam always kills flutter from full so atk evs don't do a whole lot outside of strengthening liquidation.

[stone schooner]

Dodonzo’s heavy slam does more than ting lu’s?

[stone schooner]

Because without tera ting lu doesn’t always ohko with heavy slam on flutter

[raw ferry]

110% damage to flutter mane with no offensive investment to Booster speed flutter mane

And again. You can run eq for stab on ting lu which I would argue is better on ruination sets. I'm not saying play dozo instead of ting lu I'm saying running heavy slam on dozo let's you put a better move on ting lu if you use them on the same team

[stone schooner]

Eq?

[raw ferry]

Yes

[stone schooner]

What do you mean yes

What is eq

[raw ferry]

I thought upu were asking me if I was suggesting eq over slam. I didn't think you were asking me what eq meant

Eq is Earthquake

[stone schooner]

Oh

Uh

So what evs on ting lu should I have

[raw ferry]

Earthquake, ruination, stealth rock, whirl wind is a better move set on ting lu than the same set replacing qauke with slam

[stone schooner]

Wait

Dodonzo has a lower base attack than ting lu

Ting lu doesnt even one shot with heavy slam?

[raw ferry]

It does but you give up earth quake

If you want to play slam then I would say remove ruination and run slam quake stealth rock and whirl wind

[stone schooner]

Hm

Ok

Should ting lu have any attack evs

Max hp max phys def and 4 attack?

And dodonzo max hp max spd 4 attack?

[raw ferry]

What are your move sets gonna be

[stone schooner]

Here

But replace heavy on ting for earth

[stone schooner]

Yeah

Replace heavy slam on ting lu for earthquake and fissure for heavy slam

That’s what you’re suggesting

[raw ferry]

Yeah that seems fine maybe replace wave crash for liquidation since you're relying on leftovers for recovery

[stone schooner]

Sure

[raw ferry]

I might also suggest Scarf over specs on thundurus. It's a tad slow without them

[stone schooner]

https://pokepast.es/72578947dce52f56

[stone schooner]

It still outspeeds urshifu

What doesnt it outspeed thatd be a threat?

[raw ferry]

Flutter mane, Iron bundle, scarf urshifu, scarf landorus, roaring moon and a ton of other threats.

[stone schooner]

Even with scarf I don’t think it’d outspeed booster speed bundle or mane

Would it?

[raw ferry]

No but they would need to be booster

[stone schooner]

Arent they almost always boosted

[raw ferry]

Lots of teams run both mane and bundle

They can't both be booster

[stone schooner]

Oh

Well if flutter has scarf that’d be bad. If flutter had specs would it outspeed?

[raw ferry]

And speaking from my own perspective bundle being base 136 frees up the item slot to run speed Booster on another paradox mon so if they have 2 paradox mons you can plan to be faster than 1 of them at lwast

Also you have whirl wind ting lu which removes their boosted stats

[stone schooner]

For now I’ll keep it specs, if the speed ends up actually being an issue for me I’ll change to scorf

[raw ferry]

Also I highly suggest you use the showdown damage calculator if uou wanna know how fast a scarfer is VS other pokemon

[stone schooner]

But the extra damage and only being slower than a few mons I think is fine for now

[stone schooner]

The what

[raw ferry]

Google damage calculator

[stone schooner]

Wow

[raw ferry]

Im on mobile so I can't calculate the speed stats and damage rolls you want me to as fast as I'd like

[stone schooner]

I’m also on mobile

[raw ferry]

Yeah but you dont need to Calc and then open up discord to tell the person you're talking to the speed of the Scarf pokemon they would use on their team.

You can just run your own team calculations and decided what you want

[stone schooner]

This is what smog says

[raw ferry]

https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com/

[stone schooner]

Yeah I found that

I just dont think I need it

[raw ferry]

Now you can see what Scarf out speeds by finding Scarf thundurus' exact speed stats

Well ok then

[stone schooner]

Sorry

[raw ferry]

I hope the team works well but I've given basically all the advice I have based on the pokemon you want to use

[stone schooner]

Wait

So

If it outspeeds iron bundle I have thunderbolt or volt switch to kill, but what do I do if I outspeed fluttermane or chien pao?

[raw ferry]

You volt switch into your chien pao/ flutter mane answer

[stone schooner]

Ohhh

Yeah ok

I get it now

I’m gonna scarf it

I forgot the whole point of a pivot

[raw ferry]

Like if you volt switch into dozo on chien pao you break its sash and put in dozo you break sash and threaten yawn or a ko depending on your set

[stone schooner]

Well the dozo has heavy slam so couldn’t I just kill it

[raw ferry]

Probably

[stone schooner]

If I broke its sash already and since heavy slam is super effective

[raw ferry]

I don't know the exact calc

Put I bet volt switch into slam does kill it yes

[stone schooner]

Ting lu heavy slam on chien pao usually did quite a bit of damage

[raw ferry]

Then yeah you probably kill

[stone schooner]

I don’t want you searching or anything but off the top of your head do you think theres any other sets that run sash?

Because chien almost always

I’ll find out nvm

But uh yeah

Thanks for all the help

So I’m gonna try this for now, if dozo doesnt work as well as I thought I can try out one of the 50 dragonites https://pokepast.es/c25a1367be88392d

[stone schooner]

Ok so I’m liking this dondozo but I’m still… unsure how I’m supposed to play a fast ursaluna. I might just go back to a bulky one instead?

[stone schooner]

ok seriously what do I do against chien pao

Fluttermane is fine now but chien pao just one shots everything and still 2 shots ting lu

I guess I could just always use the spd dodonzo when I see it on someones team

[raw ferry]

Donsozo should be enough

I like priority tho for focus sash sets

[stone schooner]

The only other option I see is if I send out ting lu first for stealth rocks then outspeed with bundle + hydro pump to finish it

[raw ferry]

Physical valiant with shadow sneak

[stone schooner]

I have urshifu with sucker punch

[raw ferry]

You can lead Scarf thundurus and volt switch into dozo to kill it

[stone schooner]

I think hydro pump would finish it (if it hits)

[raw ferry]

Yeah but that's leaving it up to chance

[stone schooner]

I’ve missed the 85% more than id like to say

It resists sucker punch so I doubt thatd kill it

[raw ferry]

But you can also encore them into ice crash so they can't hit bundle super effectively

Another play is going Tera ghost to blank sacred sword

[stone schooner]

I would’ve just assumed that would still 2hko bundle

I have tera ghost on bundle

So yeah I think bundle or dozo works

[raw ferry]

I like Tera ghost encore substitute on bundle. Been playing it on my team this season

[stone schooner]

hm

Id lose one coverage though

[raw ferry]

No you wouldnt

[stone schooner]

?

Oh

[raw ferry]

I'm talking about bundle

[stone schooner]

Just less damage with freeze dry compared to ice beam

[raw ferry]

You'd lose 20 base power on ice beam

Which is real but imo if your not on life Orb or specs power output is not as important on bundle

[stone schooner]

I’m using booster energy on it

[raw ferry]

Especially when this set gets to fire off 2 free moves instead of one given that you out speed most things and they have to break your sub

You're boosting speed with Booster Energy right?

[stone schooner]

When would I actually use substitute though

Yeah

[raw ferry]

On the expected extreme speed from dragonite or after encore locking ting lu into fissure

Tera ghost makes e speed miss you get a free sub, and are then faster to encore d nite into extreme speed

[stone schooner]

Things like that don’t usually happen against me at least

[raw ferry]

You also get a free sub after locking an pokemon into a set up move

[stone schooner]

hm

I’ll try it

[raw ferry]

Or against ursalunas facade

[stone schooner]

Oh after tera’ing ok

Now I got it

[raw ferry]

Yeah that's the whole point of Tera ghost on bundle is you get free subs and threaten encore

[stone schooner]

I swapped beam for sub

[raw ferry]

Since bundle doesn't get real set up moves its my preferred set for dual screens offense

[stone schooner]

I usually go for whirlwind against screens but thats me

[raw ferry]

On screens not against screens

I'm playing an aurora veil team

[stone schooner]

Ohhh

Eiscue?

[raw ferry]

No abomasnow

[stone schooner]

Ah

[raw ferry]

Abomasnow, bundle, valiant, h goodra, cresselia, great tusk

[stone schooner]

Does valiant have booster energy then?

[raw ferry]

Cress behind screens just wins games on its own as does h goodra

Yeah

Booster speed swords dance set

Iron bundle has heavy duty boots

[stone schooner]

I would just quit

[raw ferry]

Some people do

[stone schooner]

What do you even do

[raw ferry]

My master ball rank up game was against someone with calm mind cress

[stone schooner]

I mean I guess try to stall and urshifu single would help against both of those mons

[stone schooner]

I’m rank 9 currently

[raw ferry]

I set up 2 shelters, dragon tailed them out afer their third calm mind into dark urshidu and then 1shot it with body press. Then they quit

Dragon tail has been so good on it

And shell armor behind screens is goated

[stone schooner]

I love whirlwind too, being able to force someone out after they stat increase is pretty great

I played UU a lot before going into BSS and h goodra was the goat there

[raw ferry]

The nice thing about tail is it doesn't get stopped by taunt

[stone schooner]

dude

how is this person in rank 9

Turn 1 tera’d on zapdos, tera blast ice, I switch into bundle and encore them, then they quit

Amazing

[raw ferry]

We love to see it

[stone schooner]

They couldn’t resist the ice blast on thundurus I guess

My win loss ratio this season has somehow been like, pretty consistently exactly 50/50, only raising like one or two on either side

bro what

Someone is seriously using venomoth

Why

[raw ferry]

I had a really good record into masterball once I stopped streaming my games

[stone schooner]

You stream em?

[raw ferry]

Mhm

Not all the time but I streamed my first three games and then played the rest of the season off stream cus I was getting distracted and making bad plays

[stone schooner]

Is it just me or does static and flame body feel like its more than 30%

It happens so often to me

[stone schooner]

Would you be willing to show your aurora team in here? Not so I can just copy it for myself, but maybe for some inspo. I understand if you’d rather not show it though

lol killed someone who was running minimize baton pass and they closed their game after I hit one attack. I’m glad I removed sandaconda now

[raw ferry]

https://pokepast.es/5660f0d779098ad3

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stone schooner]

Since getting to master rank I haven’t won a single match and I’m not sure if thats due to my team or just my lack of experience/choosing the wrong three pokemon for what I see

[hasty minnow]

https://pokepast.es/5a6962e02bcb2569 im on the cusp of getting to master, but i want to make sure there arent any major weaknesses my team has that could screw me over

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brazen bay]

small optimization but I’d go impish Lando, no point in using adamant on a support set imo since it doesn’t really change any calcs too noticeably, the extra survivability will be very handy tho

Overall it looks fine

No cheempao is kinda bruh but gambit is good too, though I’d still argue Pao is better

[hasty minnow]

the three pokemon im the most scared of are dozo, extremekiller dnite, and bundle

[stone schooner]

Goo can probably kill bundle, and if you’re also worried about dozo id give goodra thunderbolt but I’m not as experienced so maybe dont listen to me

But i use dozo and tbolt goodra does quite a bit of damage to me, and I use a specially defensive one, while dozo is normally phys defence so tbolt would do even more usually

[brazen bay]

idt you should really be too scared of Dondozo with specs flutter

even if that doesn’t just delete it

Whatever comes in after definitely can finish it off

same with espeed Dnite, flutter blocks espeed as long as you’re not too trigger happy with the tera and Dnite generally doesn’t go max speed jolly which is the only way for it to outspeed timid flutter after a dance

Bundle is

Well

You just kinda pray

LOL

Tho glacier is right AV hoodra should do decently against it barring any freeze bs

[stone schooner]

Oh btw since you’re here do you think you might be able to give some advice on this? I’m fine waiting till you finish with this person ofc. I had a couple people helping me yesterday but if theres any like fine tuning youd suggest id take it. https://pokepast.es/732c2630ebbe0834

[brazen bay]

Looks fine tho I’d probably invest at least some defense in Dondozo so you’re not completely ripped apart by chien pao

[stone schooner]

Yeah thats fair, I was also considering that myself but I don’t really know how much evs I should transfer so I just left it

How many would you suggest? Like 50? 100?

[brazen bay]

Just hop on the damage calc and see what’s acceptable to you

[stone schooner]

I have spd heavy slam to deal with flutter

The damage calculator kinda overwhelms me on mobile, I’ll probably just guess how much defence id need

[brazen bay]

Yeah that’s fine, I think that’s a good idea, though I’d argue ting-lu could perform that role better with vessel of ruin making it easier to live fmanes attacks.

[hasty minnow]

do people commonly run sub on bundle?

[brazen bay]

Yes all the time

[stone schooner]

Yeah

[brazen bay]

You’re almost always going to see sub encore pump freeze dry

[hasty minnow]

according to smogon, meteor is a guaranteed OHKO, but im worried sub will throw a wrench in my plans

[stone schooner]

I originally used ting lu for that with heavy slam, but it was suggested to me to swap to dozo for that

[brazen bay]

Hmmm

Well tbf ting Lu doesn’t NEED heavy slam to beat flutter

You just need to be able to take a couple moonblasts

[stone schooner]

Because dozo would be better for late game fluttermane, and ting lu is almost always sent out first

[stone schooner]

It can take two, and I’m pretty sure two eq’s still wouldn’t take out flutter

[brazen bay]

Idt you should always be sending out ting first, especially if you know there’s something you’ll need it for

A big trap a lot of new BSS players fall into us over relying on hazards actually

[stone schooner]

But I dont know if there’ll be something I need it for

[brazen bay]

If you see fmane on a teamsheet and ting Lu is your check to it

Better safe than sorry

[stone schooner]

Dozo can usually handle it as long as it isnt a substitute flutter though

[brazen bay]

If it’s not specs chances are it’ll have sub

[stone schooner]

And dozo can still tank some phys hits usually

[brazen bay]

If it works then go for it

I’m just saying what I’d personally do

[stone schooner]

Wait so why would I specifically use ting lu against flutter mane and keep them in the back? Without heavy slam how would it outperform dozo on that I mean

Not trying to dispute I’m just wondering what you’re going for

[brazen bay]

stuff like this is really good at going one on one with flutter without needing heavy slam

[stone schooner]

hm

But why keep stealth rock if I’m sending them out late game?

[brazen bay]

Flexibility

[stone schooner]

At least for now I’m gonna try to just allocate some of dozo’s evs, but if I struggle with flutter I’ll try one of these

[brazen bay]

If you want you can use AV ting but rocks is never really bad, ting only really uses ruin and eq 99%of the time, so having the option to lead with it and use rocks is never gonna be a bad thing

[stone schooner]

What is AV

[brazen bay]

Assault vest

[stone schooner]

Ah

[brazen bay]

I’m just saying don’t use that as ting’s only function

It can absolutely be preserved for late game or even held in the back and still perform very well

[stone schooner]

I mean whirlwind stops setters/stat increases and ruination can help with damage on dragonite and other bulky mons, at least thats how I usually use it

I usually swap out of ting before taking much damage with it

[raw ferry]

@brazen bay can I ask you your thoughts on speed EVs for agility iron moth?

I was thinking of speed creeping scarf pult and putting some of the remaining EVs into hp or Sp.Def

[stone schooner]

Is single strike bad in bss? I’ve had success with them but every opponent has always used rapid

[brazen bay]

Rapid strike is just generally better

Single strike is v good tho

Only reason it’s so low in usage is bc you can’t have both shifu

On the same team

[stone schooner]

Ah ok, yeah that makes sense, on my team I dont really want an extra water type and the dark attacks are niice

Also would it be a bad idea to try and give urshifu poison jab instead of u turn just for some extra coverage? Or would u turn be better? I sometimes use u turn with em but not that often

[chrome sphinx]

there are def teams that do use it mind you, its not like one of those mons to have to really stretch to justify at least

also for Poison Jab, I'd only use it if you have Tera Poison

I mean ofc that could depend on your team

[stone schooner]

Would that be worth missing the double stab wicked blow?

[chrome sphinx]

but Tera Dark legit hits hard enough that offensiev fairies still get seriously hurt by it

yeah thats the issue basically

[stone schooner]

Somehow iron bundle still survives sucker punch which I don’t understand

[chrome sphinx]

I think you def want that priority unless you're Scarf maybe

Sucker Punch is a risky move against Bundle regardless because of Encore sets

[stone schooner]

I’m keeping it I just don’t get how bundle survives sucker punch

With band

I have scarfed thundurus so I cant double scarf either

[chrome sphinx]

252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Single Strike Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Iron Bundle: 81-96 (61.8 - 73.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

yep that sounds like bundle lol

Iron Bundle actually has pretty solid physical defense

[stone schooner]

You just don’t expect it to ig

[chrome sphinx]

56 HP / 114 Def isn't defensive per se (sorta Rotom-ish), but it means priority doesnt really snipe it as well as you'd expect

[stone schooner]

Urshifu is a delete button for bulky gholdengo which I like

[chrome sphinx]

like even when I use Iron Fist Mach Punch Pawmot

that doesnt even get close to a KO on Bundle lol

so its not really weak to common priority and its got very usable physical defense

therse even such thing as bulkier Iron Bundle because of this

[stone schooner]

I struggle against bulky sylveon though, and poison jab may be good against spd sylveon and a few others

[chrome sphinx]

if you got a serious fairy problem then Poison Jab might make sense

tho I feel like you might really want tera poison then

[stone schooner]

Yeah I’ll try that

[chrome sphinx]

also if you see a Hisuian Goodra switch in after a kill or something, or ESPECIALLY if they switch into Wicked Blow and it doesnt crit

be afraid, its likely going to Tera Fairy and use Acid Armor or Shelter

[stone schooner]

I have dondozo but it obviously doesnt outspeed and with heavy slam + only 4 attack evs I won’t deal enough damage against wish yawn

[chrome sphinx]

since its got Shell Armor you aren't gonna cut through the defense with Wicked Blow

[stone schooner]

Ohhh no crits right

[chrome sphinx]

to be clear unless you get a well timed poison status from jab

Poison Jab will NOT save you from that

because those Hisuian Goodra get impentrable on the physical side pretty fast lol

[stone schooner]

I fissure fish against h goodra usually, as it doesn’t always have tbolt

Without acid armour I can usually deal with them with close combat

On shifu

[chrome sphinx]

yeah even if fairy is a common tera Im less worried about the other ones, Hoodra still takes a lot from resisted hits from Urshifu-S

[stone schooner]

If not then yawn + fissure, like with cresselia, though cresselia also suffers against wicked blow

[chrome sphinx]

its just the Acid Armor ones that flip the table on you

[stone schooner]

If it doesnt acid armour would tera poison poison jab 2hko?

[surreal scroll]

Val is good in BSS?

[brazen bay]

It’s ok

[lethal ginkgo]

Is there any updated tier list for bss after the pokebank opened?

[prisma elbow]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-bss-viability-rankings-regulation-d.3717293/ @lethal ginkgo

last updated a week ago, there's a few things that could be changed here, magnezone for example is probably B+ rather than B and tornadus-t is probably too high but otherwise fairly up to date

[lethal ginkgo]

Thanks a lot mate I really appreciate it. Thinking about coming back to the game so this would be helpful

[prisma elbow]

np, I realized I said tornadus-t but I meant thundurus-t lol, whoops

[brazen bay]

This is the singular time I have seen torn t

[prisma elbow]

gaming

[karmic onyx]

need some help with my singles team its solid overall but i want to swap out kingambit and zorark for something more practical since they seem more like a reliability https://pokepast.es/4418181b9593b3e7

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[chrome sphinx]

just a quick thought (just woke up but I'll help with the team later), you might want to consider Tera Fairy + Tera Blast over Tera Flying on Kingambit atm. Does better against Dark Urshifu and Chien-Pao!

I'm also not sold on HDB for Baxcalibur or Protect on it. Generally if you're using DD, a more offensive approach like Loaded Dice or Focus Sash makes sense

[rain barn]

https://pokepast.es/a312a4ce346c46d4

Spikes Abuse + Phazer Nite
Sub Flutter
Covert Cloak Forretress
AV Iron Moth

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[raw ferry]

https://pokepast.es/32dd6a3b5f172ab6 looking for improvement with my screens team. Something ive noticed is that cress and goodra dont need need screens so maybe a different team members could work and just go with a bulky offense team

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[raw ferry]

the abom has no moves on the paste WHHOPS. its veil, blizzard, giga drain, earth power.

[hasty minnow]

i had an idea for a sneasler team for youtube, and this team has been doing pretty well on showdown ladder https://pokepast.es/d54eeb8e5dbb9591

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[stone holly]

I feel if you want to use abomb with a tera type its better to use a defensive one like water when trying to use it as a veil setter

Pao and shifu are common leads on team and pao can be a pain with fishing for a crash flinch first before going sacred sword

Though ill admit im not sure how well aboma stomaches a cc from urshifu or a sacred sword from pao when taking snow def buff into consideration

Also if you are using cress i think its worth trying to find a slot for sub and/or using covert cloak

This is so it doesnt get chipped by garg, rnged by dire claw from sneasler , and to try to help avoid it getting toxicd then warn down

Also might be worth going steel tera blast with in place of sneak on valiant if you are trying to use it

May i ask what the evs on tusk are for ? Im honestly not a believer in defensive tusk in the current meta since its somewhat tera reliant and cant consistently deal with physical dnite variants

[brazen bay]

We are so back

[onyx light]

Woa

[sterile thicket]

My singles team

I’m new to competitive

this is the team I have been using

[stone holly]

well im not an evaluator but for a start you dont need hazards on two mons, just ting lu is fine

that urshifu set is... , yeah you dont want to run dynamicpunch orr focus punch

also watershifu prefers items like band, sash, gloves, scarf

[brazen bay]

I ain’t even know Oger gets spikes LOL

[brazen bay]

if you’re using counter give shifu sash, you don’t want dynamic punch or focus punch, use CC with sash set and aqua jet for priority.

I’d go with either DD Pult or specs with infiltrator. Cursed body is more for utility sets.

Flutter looks fine

Grimm also looks fine, tho I’d go taunt > twave to annoy other utility mons.

Sitrus > lefties on ting, I’d make room for heavy slam too, here’s a good Ting Lu set for the current meta.

For oger i would suggest going with hearthflame on a screens team, and drop spikes + u turn for coverage and encore/swords dance

[brazen bay]

dynamic punch casino bear let’s go

[stone holly]

The defeat your opponent feels when shifu both lands a dynamic punch and it flinches it

[brazen bay]

[sterile thicket]

Thank you so much for the help!!

[sterile thicket]

Thank youuuuu

[wild raptor]

Really need help on this team. IM stuck in singles ultra ball tier right now

https://pokepast.es/186debf93b8ef578

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[stone holly]

well t note a few things :
first off typically when using choiced mons in bss you are gonna need something bulky for them to pivot back into when you get choice locked vs something that resists the move. alomomola is a good pivot atm for stuff like lando and urshifu atm for one

also for booster flutter mane its good to give them some degree of bulk and instead of 4 attacks can use status moves like any variation of : pain split, sub, twave(this is usually with hex), taunt, calm mind, charm. Like for example there is : moon blast , shadow ball, sub/charm , calm mind or stuff like pain split sub with stabs.

your team is basically 6 offensive mons trying to do an offensive playstyle but then the mons themselves dont have more specialized bulk to facilitate that and having two choiced mons also makes this tougher as well. though scarf lando is definitely a genuinely solid scarf mon atm. but yeah your team needs a more even amount of bulk

[wild raptor]

Okay thanks for the advice, but also this is for scarlet/violet so its a 3vs3 singles format

Does that change your advice at all?

@stone holly

[stone holly]

It is 3v3 but thats even more reason why you want to have your team made such that mons can hold their own well when their are only 3 of them

You go higher up in ranked and things that arent running sash often run more specialized bulk

[wild raptor]

Hmm okay, what typing is alomomola

[stone holly]

Fairy is a common type it runs atm
Av with : scald, flip turn; icy wind, mirror coat

[wild raptor]

Hmm someone also said use Blissey

for bulk

I dont know what pokemon I would take out for this bulk

and arcanine is better in doubles isnt he?

[stone holly]

Arc is functional here but isnt a top mon as it would be in doubles

[wild raptor]

Thats what I was thinking

He seems to not be as helpful as other people on this team

Head smash misses too much

Everyone teras out of flame blitz, and Dragonite is a better extreme speed user

lmao

[stone holly]

But typically when you are doing the 3v3 you have to find something thats a good opener , this is often a sash mon , maybe a scarf mon with u turn like watershifu or lando , or perhaps a rocks setter like glimmora or hippowdon

Then you often want something that either compliments the lead offensively or is something that helps it with the things that force it out.

After that the last mon is either another mon that does rhe above or a good cleaner after everything is weakened by the former 2

Rest of the team is usually things that you can swap in and out from your usual 3 or things to help deal with specific matchups

But like currently for me ive been running webs and my main mons are usually like ribombee , lando t then either darkshifu or waterpon . My ribombee is sash but i invested enough bulk on it to live a surging strikes from none band watershifu and then my darkshifu has a bit of bulk to live a plus 1 outrage from dnite and then lum for any twave shenanigans from dnite or stuff like dengo

Lando is strong enough in webs with it using swords dance to punch a hole through most things

[wild raptor]

Hmm, Arcanine just seems like the weakest person on my team

The others have all won or done crazy stuff

in singles

I know hes really good in doubles

What about a bulky Dnite?

[stone holly]

But yeah looking at your team , for flutter mane im not thr best with ev spreads for it but you can probably copy the spread of what the top 1 last month used which was : timid with 36 hp, 204 def, 12 spa, 4 spdef and 252 speed

[wild raptor]

instead of him?

[stone holly]

That could work

Standard roost espeed nite

[wild raptor]

Yea

With dragon dance?

[stone holly]

Ye

Also as i look at your lando where did you get the spread from if i may ask,

[wild raptor]

I t hink it was Game8

for singles sets

[stone holly]

Ah
Honestly could just stick with max speed / max attack for now

Unless you feel the bulk has been helpful

[wild raptor]

Okay, let me check that out

this has been super helpful!

I'll ask for more questions later too probably

[stone holly]

Well one note for waterhsifu as well

Typically they run punching gloves over mystic water

And ones that arent sash /band or scarf often run some bulk

Like my urshi water i used on a different team has enough bulk to live a tera electric tera blast from pao

And just for personal preference i find drain punch nicer on such sets along with sd if not a coverage like ice punch or thunder punch instead of u turn

But a good way to think of bss at times is like a series of 1v1s , its not as easy to switch out often in bss even when you have the mons to , which is why trying to have a good lead is important as well. But stuff like that is why palafin isnt particularly that good in bss as switching has more weight here and when they know you have to switch it puts you in a tougher spot

But thats also why you have to make sure your mons are stronger in winning their individual fights or are capable of supporting another main fighter on the team

[chrome sphinx]

oh late but bulk can def be super helpful with Urshifu-R, especially if you go with SD or BU

[potent osprey]

https://pokepast.es/0f90f68a29a37980

BSS team. Want to replace samurott with something better. Basculegion does the same job anyways

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[chrome sphinx]

its not needed on this team per se but have you ever tried Tera Fairy Basculegion?

thats saved me a ton against Chien-Pao Sucker Punches before

[potent osprey]

i haven’t, but at the same time I haven’t encountered that issue

but tbf it makes sense

[potent osprey]

any additional feedback?

[stone holly]

Not him but my i ask why you have U turn on an unburden set ?

Seems kinda counterproductive to me

Could also potentially consider flip turn on your legion since you are using scarf

Maybe have change out hamurott for a hazard setter like say glimmora so it can make things easier for legion and sneasler to knock out

[potent osprey]

Sometimes I don’t like the matchup and want to switch while doing dmg. However i’m gonna experiment with some stuff

[scarlet bear]

https://pokepast.es/33075fc358678e8a
BSS Dark type team. I’ve been relatively successful with it, but pretty much only when I bring Kingambit. I struggle to find matches where Meowscarda and Ting-Lu are useful, and I’m still unsure if I should run Taunt instead of Parting Shot on Grimmsnarl. Any suggestions?

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[stone holly]

I think in terms or common leads you would honestly get more usage out of taunt /twave rather than pshot to begin with
Taunt especially can help stop any mons trying to taunt your grimm back to stop it from setting up screens and also help vs opposing hazard setters (that arent ting lu of course).
Twave can be nice for slowing some things down like flutter etc

Thing with uturn scarfers is you often want things that it can safely pivot into but the two bulky mons on your team are things that typically would lead instead and usually go down after setting up screens/hazards
Could perhaps consider booster dd roaring moon or perhaps dark shifu in that slot

[scarlet bear]

Hm, ok. Didn’t even think about Roaring Moon. Thanks for the help!

[north badger]

Do we think I could cook something with minior in this format

[stone holly]

Offensively it hits some relevant things and type wise lets it tank espeed (just have to worry about aqua jets and bullet punches)
I feel it can be decent under screens perhaps and if you have a consistent plan of getting it below 50%

Oh right also need to handle dondozos

[north badger]

Yeah the bozo might be a (massive) problem

But if the team has a way to beat it I’m sure minior can make some plays

[stone holly]

Yeah its a mon alot of physical attackers has to get through anyway

But type wise only really steel dnites are a concern for it and then it doesnt have to worry about twave shenanigans from dnite and flutter until it goes below 50

[chrome sphinx]

you should def consider Triple Axel on Meowscarada

forcing Dragonite to tera against Meow is a big boon imo

maybe over Play Rough, but since its mono dark maybe consider U-Turn as crazy as that sounds, that or maybe Tera Fairy Kingambit. Im a tad worried about your Urshifu-S switch-ins basically lol

[turbid quiver]

https://pokepast.es/adef4e57b7f4cffb
Regulation F Aurora veil balance-team with the default ninetales baxcalibur core. Slight variation from a team i used to climb to master in regulation e. Felt good in unranked's so far even against stuff that wont be allowed in the format once it releases, but id still like a second or third opinion on it ^

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[brazen bay]

Why are you using max SpD bloodmoon when you have calm mind

Why ice shard on atales

[turbid quiver]

oh wait the ice shard is meant to be encore - howd that happen, editing it ^

[brazen bay]

also the levels should be set to 50. Doesn’t matter what they are in game they all get set to 50

I don’t like scarf serperior either

[turbid quiver]

yea they are at 50 - i just had them there to make sure i got the evs right

[brazen bay]

it’s too early to tell if this will be any good but it doesn’t look like it

Tbh

[turbid quiver]

you have an alternative for serperior? it was kinda just filling a hole i didnt know what to do with anyway

[brazen bay]

I’ve been testing this

I feel skele and serp are wasted slots tho, if you’re gonna go all in on screens HO you should either commit to it or have the last 3 slots be another mode. These just seem like filler that are trying to be sorta scary too

SD shifu or DDnite would be good considerations, booster CM mane would probably be worth considering too

[turbid quiver]

"CM Mane"? not familiar with all the terms

ah wait calm mind flutter mane

hmm, but id probably be running booster energy on mane id think? - whatd you put on gouging fire then?

[brazen bay]

Life orb or sm ig I’ve only tested av fire

[turbid quiver]

thamks
thinking ill be keeping it on gouging fire though - then use the serperior you posted and replace the skelecroc with shifu

ursaluna has been doing the calm mind job good enough, i dont think theres enough reason to use mane when itd even steal gouging fires item

[brazen bay]

I think serp works best on balance teams

You should really try to make room for glare at the very least imo too

That’s one of its main things that allows it to become such a threat

[turbid quiver]

yea am gonna - as i said - just the set you posted.
ive played against that exact one earlier today, and it kinda ruined me off of a double full-para into leaf storm spam behind substitute. Also the leftovers were free anyway since i'm replacing skeledirge ^

just fits tbh

[brazen bay]

Taunt and knock off are also moves you can make use of if they fit your set

I think sub serp will do you a lot more than scarf because these kind of teams generally hate running into stuff like dozo, serp can come in and abuse that

[turbid quiver]

^

[brazen bay]

Another Mon that is really good on screens is Annihilape

[turbid quiver]

with rage fist i assume? since it can take hits in screens

[brazen bay]

Either an alternate lead that trades the screens for hazards and the ability to trade with gambit or as a nasty bulk up sweeper

Lead annihilape is really hard for a lot of common teams to handle rn too, idk if that’ll be the same in reg f but looking at the roster of mons it doesn’t seem like it’ll change too much

[turbid quiver]

you have a set for the annihilape?

[brazen bay]

If you want final gambit just replace low sweep

[turbid quiver]

oh riiight it does get taunt
okay yea, im replacing skeledirge with annihilape and my serperior with yours ^

thanks for the help

[brazen bay]

okidoki

No problem, lmk if you have any more questions :3

Oh if you want a speed lowering move you can also go with rock tomb, low sweep is good for consistency + stab but rock tomb can hit stuff like gholdengo (not super big but it can make scarf variants much easier to handle) and puts more pressure on Dragonite

[turbid quiver]

depending on what they lead, rock tomb might be nice to put whatever they lead below gouging fire's speed ^
gonna test both and see what feels better

[brazen bay]

It’ll mostly depend on the meta, low sweep is good rn because lotta stuff like pao and Dnite likes to tera steel on scale shot sets, which low sweep punishes and removes the speed boost

[turbid quiver]

oh you havent put a nature on the annihilape - adamant or jolly?

[brazen bay]

Jolly I’d assume, I’ll ask the friend I stole this from

[turbid quiver]

[brazen bay]

tbh it’s annihilape he can just come in and go monkey mode and nobody can really do anything about it

[turbid quiver]

but yea the big spdef on ursaluna is just so it DEFINETLY walls everything special. might not be optimal but it has one job and i want it to do it well

that ones just been working super well so far so i wont change that unless it starts not to

[brazen bay]

That’s fair ig, I like investing in def so it can eat shifu and delete it

[turbid quiver]

yea if it sees shifu my plan is to uh, die

[brazen bay]

I just

[turbid quiver]

[brazen bay]

If it’s waterfu you can punish it with serp if it decides to go strikes

If it’s scarf

If it’s not choiced just

Sub to scout Tera and if it uses Tera you can stellar blast it

For Darkfu

You can try fairy Tera on ursa

It’ll resist both stabs and you can just go sicko mode on it

Or get bonked by iron head

Tho both bears don’t really enjoy facing atales unless they’re scarf in which case you’ll have info on their team

[turbid quiver]

done, now to get to trying it out

[chrome sphinx]

how much does Gouging Fire way compared to stuff? Can't help but feel like Heat Crash might be rather risky unless its a Celesteela situation

[brazen bay]

bros kinda thicc

and considering how the big meta threats are mostly either light as hell or resist fire anyway it’s fine, it’s heavy enough to make it work and not dealing with the recoil of flare blitz is rly nice

[chrome sphinx]

I do find 60 bo agasint ting-lu irritating tho

[stone holly]

i mean either 60 bp or you take recoil dmg vs something that can eq you

but yeah its pretty damn heavy and ironically most of our common steel types are fairly light

unless mgross becomes a legit thing though

[turbid quiver]

the most in blueberry dex

[fresh mulch]

https://pokepast.es/d464ffd47f5cd89b

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[fresh mulch]

Is there anything I could improve on my team? If at all possible I’d like to at least keep garchomp, sneasler, and arcanine

[chrome sphinx]

Im pretty skeptical that Electivire has the bulk to pull off AV

[brazen bay]

I’m gonna be totally honest I don’t think this team is good. There’s some ok mons on here but it looks very much like an ingame team

[fresh mulch]

Ok. Could you elaborate? I know they’re all not the strongest things in the world, but at least the three I mentioned keeping are pretty good. Like, sneasler and garchomp should be indisputable on their strong viability.

And with electivire and basculegion, I’ve got the best possible stuff they could run on them

[fresh mulch]

https://pokepast.es/0407d89a0bc7902f Would this team be better?

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[stone holly]

im not one of them but just gotta note a few obvious things
first off there are some mons that want defensive teras and quite a few that want stab

sneasler is one that wants the former as its too frail otherwise
protective pads as an item is also useless for it

ill add a bit more in a sec

but yeah pads is not useful at all for sneasler

its best sets are typically as a toxic spikes lead or as an unburden mon with a setter (often rillaboom) with teras like flying or ghost

arcanine doesnt get much benefit from tera ghost, it typically wants tera normal for espeed or tera grass for some nice resists or for grass tera blast for stuff like dozo, pert, urshifu

chomp pretty much never runs special sets
the rocks sets are usually more defensive and have moves like : dtail, eq, spikes, stealth rocks
and offensive ones are either like cb or sd sets with scale shot. tera types it prefers for more defensive sets are like steel, water. while steel or fire are more relevant for it. ghost doesnt really provide anything for chomp other than an espeed immunity which it would rather just take hits with steel. spinners are extremely rare other than mortal spin glimmora

ribombee is ok as a webber but you should have a team thats more built around it rather than just having it on there for whatever (saying this as someone stubbornly trying to run webs right now, its genuinely tough in a 3v3 meta). ribombee also wants a moveset like : moonblast, pounce, sticky webs, charm. its more necessary for it to help cripple things that may try to setup in front of it as it doesnt have much of an offensive presence

ogerpon of the ogerpon forms is the one that often wants coverage since there are more things that easily resists its stabs compared to the other forms. the current set you have on it would make more sense for flame ogerpon . though i think they even prefer sub in some cases over encore

iron moth unless its like scarf or specs typically wants a defensive tera over tera fire

typically when you are making more bulky builds like that you want a defensive tera to help aid it like say grass, or water

but overall though the team needs more cohesion. its a 3v3 setting so you have to consider how things can comfortably flow into each other and deal with common threats without you losing two mons just to deal with one thing. im not the most comfortable with team building though so i honestly cant specify what you may want to adopt or use though

[shy scarab]

https://pokepast.es/b24d0da9cd74164c thoughts on my reg f singles team?

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brazen bay]

tbh I don’t think this is good, it’s incredibly frail aside from kingambit, who is ripped up by Urshifu anyway. Regieleki isn’t really a good screener in bss anyway, Lando-I isn’t viable really at all imo. I’d just grab a rental and learn the format

[rare reef]

https://pokepast.es/f9746dca52945cf1

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw moss]

https://pokepast.es/a4ab798d9a48e2e8

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brazen bay]

bro you deadass named a team with the same style the same name as I did LOL

Oh wait this is just my team