Old Gens OU

[opal beacon]

Had a similar team with aqua tail chomp> rocks

And mimikyu>blace

Team is fine

different ribombee sets

as well

but yea

[strong raft]

https://pokepast.es/06aefe6e68539df5

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

why bulu

but no kart or z heatran

[strong raft]

I just started with it

[opal beacon]

bulu should have be stone edge

team weak to latias imo

but it isnt bad

team def weak to kommo

tho

[strong raft]

Mmm

[opal beacon]

since u are also no haze on pex

could drop bunker for that

[strong raft]

I like it for stuff like M-Medi but I could drop it since I have t-spikes

[plucky fog]

https://pokepast.es/2db113886b1cbf7c

[strong raft]

Should I go with Dragonium Z chomp since I put Edge on Bulu

[opal beacon]

dont get yourself banned kaneki

[plucky fog]

Wdym

[opal beacon]

firstly u are sending someone elses team

[plucky fog]

Warra i do

No i built this

Whyad gave me the idea earlier today

[opal beacon]

k I am not rating ur teams

[plucky fog]

Bro

💔

[opal beacon]

nah I am not dont make me complain to a mod

[plucky fog]

Complain for WHAT

I did nthing

[limber stone]

well alpha since ur here

[opal beacon]

could do that

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/851d0ddf82e34b76

[opal beacon]

no screens?

[limber stone]

idk what mon to use screens on

serp needs taunt and defog

i was considering a koko+lucha angle

[opal beacon]

ttar seems random no

[limber stone]

i have seen some dd mtar hos used in spl and smpl

[opal beacon]

those would be some screens

prolly

[limber stone]

idr

[limber stone]

ill try this

[mystic vector]

Why u hating on my friend

[opal beacon]

Please do not talk in this channel unless its related to team rates -dm me

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/f6d679caa726e08a @opal beacon

[opal beacon]

this much better

I am wondering if instead of mew

u could add another setup mon with rocks

[limber stone]

chomp?

[opal beacon]

I am thinking of something other than chomp

team

is weak to rain

[limber stone]

tbh i kinda need mew for denying hazards

[limber stone]

trick room magearna bruv 🔥

and i do hv ttar for weather change

[opal beacon]

alright use it and lemme know

dia seems a bit bad

[strong raft]

@opal beacon Someone suggested Rock Z with sub on chomp. What do you think? (Rocks on Tran over Toxic too but I'm a bit sus on that)

[opal beacon]

very less chances

that u actually setup

sub

imo

but its something can

work

[strong raft]

I think the only thing I'm considering on the team now is Dclaw for the 4th move on chomp

[naive stump]

The big issue of this team is that you have to hope for Alakazam to miss focus blast to not lose to it

If you want to use scarf tapu bulu, you really want a steel that does not auto lose to it

Like Magearna for example

And I would also try to make the team more offensive since, like that, once you blew the z on garchomp, nothing is really able to break any other fat/balance

And a bulky sweeper like SD gliscor will very easily win long term against you

I would redone the squad with scarf bulu + garchomp as the idea

But with a steel that can 1v1 CM zam and a more powerful mega than lopunny

[strong raft]

Yeah, I didn't really like how the team played so I'll probably rebuild

[strong raft]

Redo.
https://pokepast.es/a4c74245cff221d7

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/6dafa76f8122d60a

Perhaps a tad overcooked

[limber stone]

@opal beacon

Pinged for SM OU

[opal beacon]

5 mons weak to kyub

and not really a fan

[opal beacon]

I relatively dont build bulu teams

[opal beacon]

since I cant ping u why dont u take a look at this one

[opal beacon]

a random zam

I would say the team is itself weak to psyspam

why even zam tho

this looks similar to normal structures where u can put a lop in

[limber stone]

Fast taunt

[strong raft]

https://pokepast.es/2768cfeb96acee06

Thoughts on these 6?

[opal beacon]

Zard x might be better

It's actually a good core with bulu

[strong raft]

Over chomp?

I won't have a ground type if you're talking about replacing chomp

[strong raft]

https://pokepast.es/f4dee437ca2bf77e

Added the movesets

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/4a887a1e5b2b55f7

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

sm has so many possible options

even if i cant think of what mega to sue

cm mega diancie 😭

[opal beacon]

no mega

and specs dia?

well this is interesting for sure

[opal beacon]

isnt having bulu and a ground kinda counter productive

imo

[limber stone]

yea im using cm mdia rn

over koko

[opal beacon]

why cm dia

lol

surely u want more slots for a move over it

[limber stone]

need some setup wincon

[opal beacon]

moonblast hp ice ep diamon

already hit like a truck

[strong raft]

Not really

[opal beacon]

I would go hp fire

in ur team

[strong raft]

You still need an electric immunity

[opal beacon]

tbh I dont have enough knowledge about bulu cores

[strong raft]

Most of the mons with volt absorb and the like aren't good

[opal beacon]

I havent explored it much because personally I think its shit

[limber stone]

but i need something right

need some way to win outside of scarf kart

[opal beacon]

something doesnt mean this

idk man u are talking about something thats prolly and most def not needed

[strong raft]

Grounds are still suggested in the bulu analysis

[opal beacon]

it says u have zone and heatran as well

for opposing steel types

ig u have a heatrsn

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/b8bb3bda3e153d31

[opal beacon]

what are u losing to

[opal beacon]

team loses to greninja

it comes and does a shit load of damage everytime

psychic types like lele also looks scary

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/e1435534d9052f60

[opal beacon]

well this also takes a shit ton before mega anyways

[strong raft]

Haven't played enough matches to find out (not enough unique mons)

[opal beacon]

u dont lose to gliscor if u play right

also psyspam isnt that bad

imo

hawlucha is

a bit problematic but like u def can win if u play properly

well u dont lose to some main playstyles

sun

is also playable

latias teams as well

[strong raft]

Lost against Volcarona if it set up once so I put stone edge on Chomp and rocks on heatran

Particularly Flame/Drain/HP Ground rona

[naive stump]

It's actually pretty close to an existant six

Sole difference is toxapex instead of chansey

(and a few different sets)

It's not a bad six per say, but, imo, it's pretty outdated

Current top tiers such as Excadrill are pretty scary for you since nothing want to switch on z-iron head at +2

And, even in general, aggressive playstyle running breaker such as Medicham are pretty hard to outplay

Also, obviously, since you went toxapex here, you have quite a huge weakness to psy

Aka Zam + Lele stuff

I would go chansey > toxapex here

And run dmeteor on tias to have smt to cope into KB, zardx and medicham

I think putting the z on zone is a bit of a waste

Would consider to make it specs/custap/scarf instead

And turn the kart into SD/Band

(with the z on bulu if you prefer band on kartana)

If you go chansey, you could run rocks on it also

In that case, it's possible to go either defog glis or keep the defog on tias

If you go glis defog, support or CM tias both sounds fine

If you go defog tias, SD glis or taunt + knock off glis sounds good

[naive stump]

It looks like a classic offensive structure

But it's flawed only because you are not running a lando/torn here

Which means medicham/zardx/kart are way more dangerous for you

So I would def try to fit a lando/torn in that kind of config

I think mchomp feels pretty unnatural in that kind of team on that note

Rocks mixed is not not a good enough breaker without the support of sand or the last move HP ice imo

If you really want to keep it, I would recommend to run SD instead

Smt like SD Dclaw EQ Aqua Tail for example

I dont see any reason to run tapu bulu here to be fair

I would remove it for a kartana scarf instead

Much better speed control and effective as a cleaner

https://pokepast.es/81218ab7e1208a1b
Smt like this for example

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tawdry crane]

Gen 4 OU, made this in 3 minutes with friends https://pokepast.es/0676a91bae507f1e

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt vigil]

Hi,
This is a bunch of sweepers put together, did you guys have something specific in mind when building this team ?
Non lead aero hasn't been used in tournaments for years and it really wants spikes / spin. Cb dragonites also wants a way to limit sr's impact in the form of spin or a taunt lead.

[tawdry crane]

I honestly just threw it together with friends, although I would like to make it focus around DD Ttar

[cobalt vigil]

https://pokepast.es/6392337016e2a00f
Something like this ?

[tawdry crane]

Yeah, something like that. Don't mind if I steal this

[cobalt vigil]

Enjoy

[upper plume]

was also about to mention that this team doesn't switch all that well into jirachi

[strong raft]

I just used it since I needed a mega and I was missing a ground

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/80ece82a98db307f pretty new to this gen so expect some mistakes

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[left carbon]

Hello can you rate this gen 5 OU team https://pokepast.es/e24dd392b4eef963

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @worldly walrus, @upper plume. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[worldly walrus]

I don't know if you're trying to be offensive or balanced with this team

and the guys you're using for offense aren't that good together like this

Gyarados should be used in rain imo, gengar on HO teams i dont really mess with

and the sets r generally weird

[left carbon]

Like?

[worldly walrus]

sash ferro, rocky helm chomper

generally i just need to know what the concept is

[upper plume]

Which Pokemon are you trying to build around?

[left carbon]

It’s supposed to be balanced

[upper plume]

So most balance teams tend to be sand in BW OU

This looks like a hyper offense team but you've somehow managed to miss using all of the Pokemon that make hyper offense worth using

In general, Gengar and Infernape are not worth using in BW OU

Because they're frail and dont offer anything offensively that other Pokemon dont already bring

But we can look at any of the other 4 Pokemon and build with them in mind

[left carbon]

If I’m being honest it’s circles around ferrothorn setting up stealth rocks and spikes and rocky helmet rough skin garchomp

[upper plume]

If the purpose is to deny Rapid Spin, then there are other ways to get that done

Rough Skin Rocky Helmet Garchomp is not offensively potent enough to be worth its teamslot

But we can build with these two in mind

Given that these two can fit on either rain or sand, we can think about another Pokemon we would like to use

[limber stone]

This is pretty good(?)

Maybe weavile>rilla

Idk

And make clef helmet

Maybe you can consider offensive heatran here

[gritty scaffold]

Weird i wasnt pinged for this

[upper plume]

you probably disabled rmt pings or smth

[gritty scaffold]

well pokemon paste isnt loading to me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Changed again but i thought i dindt turn off

[upper plume]

@left carbon did you want to work on your team further?

[left carbon]

Maybe

[upper plume]

is that a yes?

[strong raft]

https://pokepast.es/6dd1b412e490d0ff

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[static geyser]

https://pokepast.es/70a866872cffc457 what u guys think i should change its Gen7OU

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/304ad4a60441fde0

@opal beacon i believe this is a cook

maybe i can make zam recover too

[strong raft]

Options I'm considering:
4th move on Tar being changed
Adamant > Jolly on Drill
Brick Break > Zen on Victini

[opal beacon]

so why did u change

2 mons from the team

aka zap and kart

for these 2

[strong raft]

Didn't take the sample team

[opal beacon]

sash volcarona is bad

[strong raft]

There's also the other sand sample with ash gren and clef

[opal beacon]

oh wrong ping

[opal beacon]

sash volcarona

is bad

like not even an actual set

not running ice beam is also bad

people run both freeze shock and ice beam

if u want to run dcalw I suggest removing roost

but not running ice beam is just bad

[opal beacon]

yea

ik

[strong raft]

Wanted to do Serp sand

[opal beacon]

that clef set it also not good

I think maybe a lando>clef

with rh

and like berry or lo volcarona help ur team more than this

even then its a bit passive for my liking and also doesnt seem great

I guess u are new to sm ou in which case I suggest using samples to get familiar with the tier

before building new stuff

[opal beacon]

so ideal structures for sand with serp would be
ttar, exca, serp , pex(to not lose to ash gren), steela (to not lose to lele and psyspam)

those are ur 5 mons gone

last could be a flying type so that u dont lose to

medicham/lopunny

[opal beacon]

ye this is nice

I like this one

seems good

lele could be a bitch

since it only needs to predict focus blast once

but its very playable

@strong raft if u add a zap

u also wont lose to lucha

[opal beacon]

u have ways of dealng with mons so It does seem fine

serp

goes a little crazy vs u

[strong raft]

Mmm ight

HP fire on Serp too?

https://pokepast.es/b043475a7bd67760

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

not necessary

most run glare but some run hp fire as well

u might want ice punch>eq on ttar

its nice to catch switches

[strong raft]

I'm making a lot of empo samples with one mon differences

[strong raft]

Eq would be better to catch switches on ttar no?

[opal beacon]

U mean pex or heatran

Well its upto u tbh

Both moves are good

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/6216807afbf9dbf8

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

sm ou do be like that

[tender coral]

what in the

[limber stone]

Trying to make webs viable 🥀

[subtle sable]

https://pokepast.es/53c4760e26f646be

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

Garchomp>lando cuz fire types are scary

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/018ae79861f01ce4

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

tmrw

[gusty jungle]

rmt tomorrow

[opal beacon]

sludge bomb is also a nice option

on houndoom

idk about fire spin

I would run yawn

or maybe even toxic

[limber stone]

Oh that's supposed to be rapid spin lol

Mis click

[opal beacon]

oh I thought u already had spin

hmh yea u need spin

idk about wisp but could be good ig

[opal beacon]

weak to diancie

also weak to swampert rain

well ig u could argue sun rain

I suppose

its not a bad squad

taunt kommo mu

also looks ass

alakazam also looks super strong especially in terrain

its not a bad squad, houndooms squads are risky tho and not that great

there is only 1 houndoom squad that I like and its by raptor

[opal beacon]

this is a bit similar

to the sample team

were u trying to go off with that and just replacing 1-2 mons or just a new team entirely

?

[plucky fog]

https://pokepast.es/59ffc6cc3a586c89

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[compact vessel]

stop sending shit in rmt

[plucky fog]

?

Rate my team

[compact vessel]

lele food unfort

[plucky fog]

Thats why i added reuniclus

Ill make it spdef tho

Then jobs done

[compact vessel]

I don't think it will save you 🙁

[compact vessel]

play registeel over reuniclus (saying this almost seriously)

[plucky fog]

Why didnt whyad tell me this

Ur a genius maktyum

[compact vessel]

you already have medi covered with sableye mega so why not regis. aroma or healbell on miltank. and like you need an unaware still, maybe over pex

like pyuku

well pyuku and cacturn are overlapping

tbh I don't think cacturn is that good as a manaphy answer

[lime tide]

You could make gliscor 290 speed and run ghostium/steelium reuni for lele

Steelium would hit both lele and ttar/vile

It’s probably nice against other fairies too

[limber stone]

how tf does it use steelium

[lime tide]

Flash cannon

[limber stone]

[lime tide]

Oh and also make miltank 290

Hm maybe

Might not be necessary

But

Would help modest lele

+atk kyurem

[plucky fog]

Ill try this and ill try trgi

[sacred flume]

https://pokepast.es/2ce84958e5c47a60 tried making bisharp team

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

Kinda off but dk where to start

Like bish+weav is kinda redundant

Generally scarf blaceph is the only thing saving you from getting lele'ed

Maybe use a sample? Idk

https://pokepast.es/f557ba80e8a4bdf5 this is cool

Tho idk you might be better than me and I'm yapping but yeah

[noble nexus]

may be this team can give u some inspiration brohttps://pokepast.es/a54c4b6730184bdd

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/75f6e8bff901c780

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @rich cloud, @opal beacon, @wise hatch, @frigid idol. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

Oh wait

Ok I'll just admit that I forgot about pivots 💔

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/6a9a3bf35486cb80

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @rich cloud, @opal beacon, @wise hatch, @frigid idol. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frigid idol]

i feel like I have seen this before here, but it is probably just similar. Generally the 6 look promissing. The biggest issue with a team like that is the lack of momentum. Scarf-Specs-Band + Ferro and Metagross. Nothing really generates the momentum for you and you have a tough time making progress, if you opponent has a well balanced team. In theory you fixed the issues stuff like a Clefable creates, by running Meteor Mash on Meta, which I think is a smart choice, yet if he has a good switch in for that, you are falling behind.
So the team aint bad, I am sure you can win a bunch of games with it, but I can imagine you will find yourself from time to time in match ups that are really annoying to play, which allow your opponent to outplay you rather easy or make your life rather difficult if you are in a position, where you have to outplay a bunch.

[frigid idol]

I assume that is the next version of the team posted prior?
The Metagross moveset fits well with the needs of the team. Generally you cover a lot things with smart team choices.
Tough things to face will be Sand teams, eventhough Scarf Chomp can suprise that and potentially win it, aswell as Slowbro is there is no Ttar or it can be handled.
I think you get in trouble if your opponent has a well balanced team, that can slowly chip away on your team. Especially hazard stacks can give you trouble. With the peices you have there is always room to outplay it, but it can be quite difficult at times. Not having removal always is an issue in oras, especially when you either are not that offensive that the momentum will carry you or you run double hazards yourself. Threats are Tornadus-T, Thundurus, and Volcarona. Eventhough you have ways to deal with all of them. Stall will be a bit difficult to handle I assume, since neither of your mons is really a fantastic stall breaker. Against offense on the other hand, you might just do pretty well.
In terms of the movesets you gave to the mons I think you did a very good job. Everything makes sense

[main scarab]

cringe stall team alert but i feel like being mean (forgot to give gastrodon nature on the link but it's bold)
https://pokepast.es/76c7eeafb8073d08

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tender coral]

the Slowbro can drop future sight and teleport tbh

doesn't need these moves on stall teams

I do think that this structure has been more or less optimised in the sample teams thread though

Torn/Corv/Clef/Bliss/Gastro/Pex

[main scarab]

i see i see
if i wanted to stay with slowbro instead of going for torn (even if it would make the team structure not fully optimized, i do want to keep the bro) what moves should i replace future sight and teleport with?

[limber stone]

❤️ yea not having
removal is though, im also intentionally greeding volcarona and thundurs for the scarf chomp surprise

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/f2f6f73ca53e436e good for a starter?, I feel like switching m-beedril with m lop

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @rich cloud, @opal beacon, @wise hatch, @frigid idol. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wise hatch]

You really need knock off bisharp and you can make mew ice beam or ep or smth

Also scarf thundurus doesn’t make too much sense esp with Hp dragon

Just make it prankster thundurus with Twave

[wheat timber]

Wait I didn't notice that 😭 it was supposed to hp ice, neither way I wanted something strong but fast enough to be good with scarf

[lilac nova]

Hi can any1 give feedback on my gen 3 OU team

Blissey @ Leftovers  
Ability: Serene Grace  
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpA / 4 Spe  
Modest Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Ice Beam  
- Thunder  
- Calm Mind  
- Soft-Boiled  

Skarmory @ Leftovers  
Ability: Keen Eye  
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- Hidden Power [Ground]  
- Spikes  
- Protect  
- Roar  

Snorlax @ Leftovers  
Ability: Immunity  
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Earthquake  
- Body Slam  
- Shadow Ball  
- Self-Destruct  

Charizard @ Salac Berry  
Ability: Blaze  
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe  
Modest Nature  
IVs: 30 HP / 2 Atk / 30 SpA  
- Fire Blast  
- Hidden Power [Grass]  
- Substitute  
- Sunny Day  

Gengar @ Leftovers  
Ability: Levitate  
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe  
Modest Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Thunderbolt  
- Ice Punch  
- Giga Drain  
- Will-O-Wisp  

Starmie @ Leftovers  
Ability: Natural Cure  
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe  
Serious Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Thunderbolt  
- Hydro Pump  
- Ice Beam  
- Rapid Spin  

[limber stone]

!shareteams

[karmic geyser]

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[lilac nova]

It won't let me upload

[lilac nova]

https://pokepast.es/f5ca230b042fbfd1

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @surreal crypt, @polar nacelle, @civic spade. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lilac nova]

Got it thx

[civic spade]

To me this looks like a lot of things thrown together. Maybe you can elaborate on some of the sets here. Couple of glaring weaknesses I can note however;

• Snorlax + Blissey is a super awkward pairing resulting in a weakness to physical offense.
• CM Blissey doesn’t really fit what could be an offense team. It’s typically reserved for stall structures that desperately want the cm win con/remove weakness to Suicune.
• I don’t recommend off skarm, it’s not that good. And losing the solid bulk to try to ko mag with hp ground is not worth it imo. Even on an offensive team, you want some defensive pivots/backbone to rely on.

Some things id recommend are to go for the standard sub focus punch zard max speed with lefties so you don’t lose to sand so easily

And Metagross over Blissey would help this out too. Tbh though as the team stands, you kinda need to decide on an identity. If you expand on what you intended for the team to do, I can help you figure out which route to take it.

[lilac nova]

thx!!

[civic spade]

Yeah ofc. And like I said if you give me more info I can give you more specific advice

[lilac nova]

yeah im not sure how to elaborate im noob

[civic spade]

Gotcha. My recommendation would be to think of what Pokemon you want to use, and then look examples of teams that it could work on. As an example, Zpanther is a popular Zard user and he shared some teams featuring it recently.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/adv-ou-set-and-team-sharing.3648620/post-10789118

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/9c9842443da76c50 good for a starter? my god leftovers are like one of the very few good items here, I feel kinda limited 😅

[civic spade]

Yeah this is a very popular 6 that you can’t go wrong with. This is basically the UD TSS sample team with some different EVs. Can’t go wrong with this team. Not much I can do to help with the limited item choices though. Your team definitely wants to keep lefties top to bottom.

[wheat timber]

is there any matchups that should be a concern?

[civic spade]

Yeah suicune can be a pain for this team to deal with. Spec off will be a bit troublesome to deal with if your opp has sets that deal well with Blissey, like restroar cune or certain cm rachi sets

[wheat timber]

I mean skarm can roar out set up sweepers

[civic spade]

Yeah but you can to consider endgame when they only have Suicune for example

Or if skarm is too chipped and not around to roar anymore. Good thing is, spec off isn’t super common right now on ladder.

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/e7929b66e2f3a168

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 2] OU RMT @half jungle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tender coral]

could be a calm mind set

scald + psyshock hits most of the tier I think

[main scarab]

so calm mind, scald, psyshock and slack off?

[gritty scaffold]

How do you plan on handling sleep without any sleep talk mon

Like ig u can run on zap rest talk. Id prob run curse 2 atks rest lax . bc idk how your handling eq edge rest talk lax without curse lax

Idt the team is bad id just recommend changing few sets

And maybe run thief on jynx over sub or on gar over hypnosis or just run in both

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/2b7f8427a8e222ca

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tender coral]

yeah

[main scarab]

got'cha, thanks a lot!

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/cf4df7bae18bf275 feels like a flop

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

mega mawile is ass dont use it

[opal beacon]

Crazy statement

[compact vessel]

It is true that mawile has seen better days and is only played rn on a few teams like fairy spam. But it is still viable and I feel like it will come back a little. I think this looks fine, not sure about av magearna here and you need a defog user otherwise you will have a hard time I feel like. You are a little on the slow side ngl and have a hard time into medicham or things like band kart that can just spam smart strike and win

[limber stone]

i repeat

mega mawile is ass dont use it

[limber stone]

^ more conservative version

https://pokepast.es/519c6cdff586c952

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

I havent rated it

I am busy

[limber stone]

yes

[opal beacon]

but ngl calling a good mon straight up ass is stupid

asf

[limber stone]

it aint good

[opal beacon]

that mon single handedly will beat everything out there

[opal beacon]

cry

[limber stone]

😭

[tender coral]

steel needs to be Ferro here

[limber stone]

i have a revised version https://pokepast.es/8f6f5faa6d444cba

[tender coral]

somehow even worse

[limber stone]

[limber stone]

tell me

💔

[tender coral]

https://pokepast.es/5758bab58b149632

try this out

[limber stone]

absolutely amazing tysm

great name

[loud summit]

https://pokepast.es/ea45a23f4099c216

[limber stone]

#1059714627384115290

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/efde756b438d87a8

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @rich cloud, @opal beacon, @wise hatch, @frigid idol. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rich cloud]

this looks alright

i don't see any issues with it

[spiral estuary]

Hello, i'm participating in a gen 7 ou doubles tournament and i just wanted to ask for someone's opinion on the team i came up with
https://pokepast.es/a6dde9ef88d427be

the tournament is in sm/usum and i don't have my 3ds hacked so maybe some better alternatives aren't easy to get for me (meaning that regenerator amoonguss is out of the question sadly)
edit: pls ping on reply

[opal beacon]

Hi wrong chat

This is for ou

[opal beacon]

Uh is there no chat for doubles?
I will just ping @tawny surge

[tawny surge]

this is the correct place: https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059655497587888158

if you're using scizor it should definitely be mega, but mega metagross is considered more splashable overall

kingdra needs muddy water for sure

the rhydon/masquerain/shiinotic are a no-go though

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-doubles-ou.3661293/post-8394190

here are some sample teams, I recommend basing off of one of these 3: https://pokepast.es/cf371afd67bc0c7c https://pokepast.es/3ec8f5a946dea4ad
https://pokepast.es/5cc5fe7692a04f6d

if you can't access zera or koko, lightningrod raichu with fake out tbolt nuzzle encore is an acceptable replacement

also effect spore amoong is legitimately better than shiinotic

and if you're not sure what item to run on a mon, it should absolutely be a pinch berry (the ones that heal 50% health at 25% like figy mago iapapa, just make sure it's not one that'll confuse for your nature)

mago will only confuse mons with -spe nature for example

[spiral estuary]

Okkk tysm

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/9d93f3644efc78ad

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @rich cloud, @opal beacon, @wise hatch, @frigid idol. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sour warren]

https://pokepast.es/eb5e4a50a2408622 gen 6

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @rich cloud, @opal beacon, @wise hatch, @frigid idol. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sour warren]

I have NO idea what i was going for with this team so uuuh please somebody fix it

[rich cloud]

one ou pokemon

bad news twin

[opal beacon]

this seems fine

I dont like the thund mu tho

[limber stone]

Actually

I can't kill mvenu and bro

[opal beacon]

thund just needs to kill latios

and go ham

can easily predict a scarfer in this team

[opal beacon]

u should be able to

with sd chomop

u also have ffang

so u kill skarm as well

[limber stone]

Its all in on chomp to break mvenu

[opal beacon]

yes well because no psychic

on this

but if u do some decent chip

rocks etc

it should be enough

well u need to play optimally

but yea tbh not being able to handle thund well is bad imo

also the fact that

exca hits about everything when it comes in

on say heatran

or volcanion

bro is also not idea hmh

I would start fresh

@limber stone

maybe do something like mega metagross

with chomp

with zen pup tpunch and meteor/bp

ideally bp for priority

this helps with venu and the bro problem as well

as well as handling flying types like skarm etc

u can run edge or sub on chomp instead of ffang

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/48794b5376f9cc2c feels like a flop for some reason

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

its because u are weak to water types

av ttar is not my personal fav tbh

but it works sometimes

heatran needs to go for a pex

and u need a flying type

because u lsoe to opposing chomp etc

if u waana use sand the samples sands are great

[wheat timber]

should a scarf lando be good if switch with katana?

[opal beacon]

if u are building ur own a suggestion would be to use the core of exca and ttar with a water type that can take hits of other water types - only pex does for a long time while also absorbing tspikes and providing haze + toxic + tspikes supprot

get a flying type like zap -for lopunny, medicham (medi prolly kills zap ) or a cele for psyspam support if not cele u can add a ferro for additional support on waters

since pex is just a check anyways doesnt do real damage especially to change

av ttar can be cb

ur call

I like cb ttar a lot

but if u run mega that's fine as well

with av tar u get the option of another mega but tbh I dont see what can be a good parter

[limber stone]

👍

[wheat timber]

now that i think about it cb might be better, ttar get spD boost from sandstorm so it has some bulk

[opal beacon]

cb helps u get those kills with stone edge as well

dd ttar is also a fine option

if u make celf rocks >wish

dd tar could be an option

dd stone ice and last could be eq

or fire punch

or maybe even the random superpower (its for oras I dont recommend in sm)

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/b2770b945d390756 okay I did some changes, is it better?

[opal beacon]

why the random lele

imo kart always works fine

could be band/scarf

dont need scarf sicne exca outspeeds to band works

also exca should be jolly I think

I dont rememeber the speed ties it hits

or maybe I could be wrong

its uhh late

I will just finish this tmrw when I am free

[wheat timber]

I kinda wanted something to put some special pressure so the breakers of the team don't get walled by any physical wall, neither way thx for the help

[limber stone]

gliscor def doesnt fit

use torn

atp

torn>glisc, steela>clef, chomp>lele

lmao

[wheat timber]

ye I can see torn being decent I just want to have a better matchup against really fat teams, also lele is there to not make the team get walled by physical tanks

[gaunt crater]

https://pokepast.es/1e4deb043138d0f1

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @surreal crypt, @polar nacelle, @civic spade. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gaunt crater]

ADV

Oh man

I didnt think that specifying the tier pinged people

My bad

It needs more consistent offense and a second more sturdy rock resist but i just cant think of who to swap out and for what

[civic spade]

It’s supposed to ping people don’t worry

I’ll take a look at this in a bit

[azure isle]

i feel blastoise no wish esp on this kind of team is asking for trouble or at leeast refresh. Without refresh or smth to heal blastoise its gonna explode to just chip dmg, Also i feel v5 is a pain cuz dug beats both mag and hera and once they are trapped i feel its gonna be a struggle getting through them

curious what hera does aside from being the sole wallbreaker on this team

[gaunt crater]

Nothing

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/03a0d316d4371118

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

kyub
latias
av mag

tspikes is also good

vs u

[limber stone]

scarf kart victims trust

[opal beacon]

heatran is also not bad vs u

gliscor is also good vs u

hp ice is not winning vs gliscor I think

zap is also good vs kart/tang/dnite

ah well

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/b6941b2dcd1e9f11

[remote horizon]

semi stall gen 5 ou team i wanted to use https://pokepast.es/05d1f7eb5a41efcd

[upper plume]

this team is very weak to opposing spikers, particularly skarmory and ferrothorn, and the spikes that they lay down. Chansey is also bad on sand because it is weaker to passive damage, including the one that your team sets up, and many of your Pokemon have redundant EV spreads, meaning you're weak to threats that they don't cover

[upper plume]

if you want to build this kind of semistall-esque style, then here's what I would change:

• Clefable/Blissey > Chansey; these two function better in sand than Chansey, especially when factoring in hazards
• ...Jellicent? Truth be told, spinblocking with Jelli is a tough prospect since Excadrill can just clock it with Earthquake. An alternative is Latios, which gives you some actual offense and a better check to Thundurus-T than the sometimes passive Clefable and Blissey; it's also a great Spikes abuser with Roar
• Brave Bird > Stealth Rock on Skarmory; giving Skarm an attacking move ensures that it can actually chip down Excadrill and dragons without being forced to roar
• Stealth Rock > Stockpile on Hippowdon; spreading the hazards is better because it gives moveset flexibility and ensures that one Pokemon going down doesn't mean you just have no hazards. Stockpile also just does nothing for Hippowdon. If you happen to run Blissey and would rather run Stealth Rock on that, then Rock Slide is also viable to hit Thundurus-T and Volcarona
• Scarf Excadrill > Scarf Garchomp; while Volcarona is scary for this team, you would rather have the ability to spin for your Hippo and Blissey, and Scarf Drill is still fast enough to outspeed Modest Life Orb Volcarona variants that are the main threat to this team. Having the extra power is also better for Reuniclus, which is really annoying to deal with. For future reference, Sand Veil is banned from Gen 5 OU.
• Reuniclus > Gliscor; Gliscor has a redundant typing with Hippowdon, leaving you weak to stuff like Keldeo. Reuniclus is by no means a Keldeo check, but it also prevents Keldeo from switching in freely and just clicking attacks. It will check Fighters like how Gliscor did.

Overall, the structure has some right ideas, but there are just better, more synergistic options that you can use instead of the ones you've selected

[silver gyro]

Hello everyone, I'm new to this Discord and I need some help with the double ou 4gen format. Can I send my team here and ask for your help?

[upper plume]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059655497587888158

^ for Doubles OU

[silver gyro]

Okay, thank you. Not knowing whether I should ask in this one or the other, I asked both just to be on the safe side. Thank you for the information anyway.

[remote horizon]

thanks a lot

i’m normally used to gen 3 ou so i genuinely thought slapping evolite on chansey would be a great choice lol

[upper plume]

yeah a side effect of chansey not having leftovers is that it is very weak to passive damage

[remote horizon]

fair enough

[gritty scaffold]

oh i wasnt pinged again weird

but yeah tbolt summarized it well to how build semistall

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/d9595221dc05181c

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @rich cloud, @opal beacon, @wise hatch, @frigid idol. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wheat timber]

actually after some thought I'll change ferro for gliscor, my need doesn't have removal now that I realize that https://pokepast.es/85d673889c80fac2

[limber stone]

no watter resist

so volcanion gets a kill every time its in

also idk but moonblast less clef?

mightve seen that somewhere

[wheat timber]

I mean Ig I can switch garchomp with something latios or latias, also I'm testing with flamethrower instead of moonblast to surprise steels

[strong raft]

I mean, you do already have Plume, Hammer Arm, EQ, Focus Blast

On your team

[rich cloud]

defog is illegal on pheal glisc

[strong raft]

You can also TWave the steels

[rich cloud]

your team is also a mix of two very different styles

are you balance or offense

[opal beacon]

I am alpha

[wheat timber]

Wait I never know that 😭, also ig i was going to a more balance approach

[plucky fog]

Alpha101918371919

[sour warren]

https://pokepast.es/07afd4ed50b89970

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sour warren]

How’s my trick room team

[opal beacon]

u are missing 4 evs on mawile also sd is better imo personally

crawdaunt is a fine choice but why not alolan marowak>chandelure

it gives u electric immunity with its ability as well and it does peak damage as well

I dont think u need more than 2 tr setters so u could go for a magearna last > porygon and put the z there

if u dont waana be choice locked on craw u can run sd mystic water or even sd lo

marowak also means u beat ttar in tr which u dont with chandelure

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/2e6485a1903c01a0 feels like I can switch koko with bolt but idk

[sour warren]

Any alts did magearnsa?

[opal beacon]

wdym?

[opal beacon]

will do tmrw

[sour warren]

Mons that can do what it does

/ replacements

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/43f938f65508a700

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

Honestly not many
It's a good steel type and a slow sweeper

I can't think of many special attackers that can do that much damage
It's ability is also good for sweeping especially in tr

[sour warren]

I see

[wheat timber]

that M-diancie set is sure is a thing... neither way I'll leave that to an expert, but fiery dance is usually better in every situation instead of flamethrower on volc

[subtle sable]

https://pokepast.es/942193a8508c7821

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[compact vessel]

huh I don't think it is right? lead diancie is very much a thing and in gen7 you don't have time to stack boost with feiry dance, better maximize power and accuracy with flamethrower. fire blast has good damage but you will miss.
like, volcarona in gen7 does not really function the same way an iron moth does in svou where it already has a speed boost item and no quiver dance. In gen 7 you will more likely face haze pex anyway. the only situation where it could be good is against chansey for a bulky sub swarm set, otherwise power is always better to get important kills like on landorus or kyurem black

[compact vessel]

I don't really like serp kart here. taunt lele is much better for your set up mons.

you also have no real answer to ash gren ngl. you are forced to revenge with kart after giving a mon.

maybe av lele but like you would miss a lot to break

that is why the will of fire team has kyurem black and thundy as defog user. you add a voltswitch answer and an obese mon that can soft check gren

or they stack kyurem gear and give up on scarf kart

[wheat timber]

idk it feels a bit of waste to use a mega as lead for rocks, ye sure it does the job but hazard isn't as detrimental as losing a whole mon especially when removal is given to a lot of mons but it's probably just me, also the 10 power difference between flamethrower and fiery dance isn't that much for it to cause any significant difference, fiery dance gives advantage in the long run, realistically no one is switching volc on pex or keeps it with it but if it already snowballed with fiery dance nothing is stopping it, I see this argument more better with fire blast, ye that is worth it over fiery dance for the instant damage but I just can't see the situation where flamethrower is significantly better then fiery dance (this is my opinion don't come for my neck 😭)

[compact vessel]

saying diancie mega is a waste as a lead is just crazy and without being disrespectful might be due to a lack of knowledge of the smou metagame. Let me explain. Lead diancie was always a huge part of hyper offense in the tier, mainly because most of the HO threats are weak to rocks (volcarona, kyurem black, victini, dragonite, gyarados, ect...). The point of lead diancie is not to just place rocks, it is to deny rocks from your side, saving you to slot a full bulky defog user on an already stressed builder, maximizing your slots for breaking as well and opening your key win conditions.
I never said you switch your volcarona in front of pex lmao, it is just that after quiver dance, people will switch on pex to stop volcarona...As for the the fiery dance vs flamethrower, you would be surprise of what 10 in power can do and how detrimental it can be (move power is imo the most important aspect of damage calculation). For exemple you set up with quiver and your opponent goes on his scarf landorus (one of the most common set in smou). you won't have time to stack boosts and also there is no point to fiery dance when you can quiver again with another speed and special def boost. fiery dance is only better on bulky sets and it is very rare because bulky sets are outsped by scarf users or just lack power (they only fit on weird fat sableye squads).
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 273-322 (85.5 - 100.9%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 273-322 (85.5 - 100.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Fiery Dance vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 243-286 (76.1 - 89.6%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

[wheat timber]

I did say that I'm not expert but yeah you got a good point diancie is really good at what it is still depending on it to be the wall for hazards does seem a bit inconsistent since it doesn't have recovery and also the mind games can make you think you should switch it on obvious hazard sitting opportunity only to get damaged and not have the choice to recover is not uncommon in high ladder but yeah ig you're right, and about fiery dance yeah sure ig that power difference does come to use in some situation but you still can't deny to the large chance to be able to just sweep with 50% to spa boost especially on right situations (Also thx for the conversation, you have absolutely NO IDEA how hard it is to have civil conversation with different opinions without it turning into a huge fight, god bless you 🙏)

[compact vessel]

I get what you are saying but I find that it applies more to Bulky Offense. Hyper Offense does not really care about recovery, their point is to keep the momentum and keep up the pressure, not giving your opponent any free turn, recovery or hazard removal make you lose one turn and an opportunity for your opponent to out position or simply recover. Diancie lead makes full use of the lack of recovery by supporting moves like endeavor as it exploits the small HP stat of diancie while weakening the opposing team. so you can mega, place rocks while denying rocks on your side. your opponent can try to punish this turn by just attacking but since you have invests in HP, you live and can pressure/punish in return key defense walls with endeavor (chansey for exemple). and like if ferro comes in and threaten to place rocks while you have a volcarona in your team, you don't really care, just go diancie. it might die but it is a free in on volcarona after with your side free of stealth rocks. and most HO have serperior which has defog while being a good ho wincond (contrary and glare are huge tools), so the team does not rely solely on diancie which purpose is more to trade

Fiery dance can cheese some situations I agree, but it might be hard for volcarona to place many fiery dance in a row without being poisoned or just straight up dispatched by strong attacks like psyshock lele or vcreate from victini. It is pretty much do you value more to get a clean kill or want to win entirely with volcarona. clean kills are immediate value, that is why it flamethrower is better most of the time

[wheat timber]

👍

https://pokepast.es/8ae71e011f8d9563 sent this a while ago and still got no opinions 😭

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

sry I have been busy

ur version of rain including koko is not very uncommon

I have seen atleast 5-6 teams like this

but why the lando

ig u are afraid of medi or lop maybe

but lando seems like a random mon in the mix

choice specs isnt a bad item but I have recently started using LO a lot and I must say I prefer the choice to switch moves a lot

[compact vessel]

yeah gear or torna over lando seems fine.

you need powerwhip on ferro to at least do damage into opposion gren, rotom, fini ect...

[wheat timber]

was mostly to make sure that electric mons aren't an issue, ye I have swam but that's the only thing that can switch safely on electric mons, koko is a bit frail, also quick question can I fit gren on this? and which one should I switch with

[opal beacon]

just use ferrp

electric types = only good ones are zap and koko

ferro walls both

zap in rain

hw does nothing

u just leech back up

I like to run seed spikes whip gyro

u can do rocks on either swampert

or ferro

if u re doing it on ferro

then drop the gyro

[wheat timber]

Ok thx, btw you still haven't answered if I can fit greninja bb on this team?

[wheat timber]

what are the sets for gear and torn?

[opal beacon]

greninja

was always a standard for rain

if u really wanna use greninja

just use the standard 6

[vale lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/0ea73edcfa29f1f4 ZardX + Greninja balance SMOU

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vale lagoon]

Wanted to make a team with a breaking core starring my two favorite mons :D

Inspired by a team I saw on the bimonthly SMOU sample team features

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @surreal crypt, @polar nacelle, @civic spade. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/588acd841f496747 remember when leftovers was the only consistently good item 🤣 other then like choice band , anyways I didn't test this team a lot so suggestions and opinions are appreciated (also sorry I accidently deleted the comment)

[civic spade]

Looks solid! A little bliss weak with tar gone

Taunt wisp gar could help

[wheat timber]

sorry for the long replay but thx, also other then bliss is there any other mons I should be worried about or an archtype?

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/8312feaea8843126 revision

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @rich cloud, @opal beacon, @wise hatch, @frigid idol. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[civic spade]

Opposing Tar can certainly be an issue if you let Skarm or Pert take too much damage

Little weak into Gar but tbh the team is fine, no major issues you can’t play around. This is a proven 6.

[wise hatch]

Team is weak to weavile you won’t really have a switch in

4 ice weak with only Heatran ice resist

Kyuirem or Even stuff like ice beam slowbro can be annoying

[limber stone]

hm

fuck

how did i not realise that lol

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/9ba20feb2de22e59

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[olive stag]

i need help making this work 🤣

[plucky fog]

On the 3rd one maybe go pult>corvi and try that?

[olive stag]

Thank you, I'll give it shot and see how that goes

[tender coral]

this looks pretty good to me, has its flaws but you can at least somewhat play around them

very much a different team but I think this type of structure is quite strong: https://pokepast.es/29e76228d84027cc

the Weavile can obviously be boots SD

this Clef set is quite underrated, it's not that bulky but does crazy stuff like pressuring Gastrodon as long as it doesn't get its life orb knocked

[wheat timber]

ok, btw for the team you send what are the mons or specfic sets I should be worried about?

[limber stone]

this is what dreams are made of

[tender coral]

ghost spam is a bit of an issue for these kinds of structures since your spdef wall is weak to draco while your ghost resist is very frail

but you can play around it with aggressive play

[wheat timber]

I mean something like ttar should solve the problem?

[tender coral]

nah just leave the team as-is, there's no perfect team

you have avenues to outplay those structures

[wheat timber]

somehow you're the first person that I heard actually say this, anyways thx for the help

[slate rain]

https://pokepast.es/3df12f5ddc3b1e61
should I replace ferrothorn with magnezone?
freeze dry + magnezone is often autowin against rain

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lilac nova]

Can any1 help me build a gen3 team that features special attack Charizard or recommend a premade

[undone dagger]

I mostly make gen 4 OU teams soo I'll drop some here!

Not exactly looking for specific feedback but if you have any you can share.

https://pokepast.es/0a9122b3bb2d2449

[undone dagger]

This was an older version of the same team

https://pokepast.es/4d6d41f5ec24fc61

[faint matrix]

Uh can someone help me build a gen 7 ou team?

[upper plume]

@cobalt vigil

[strong raft]

This is for rating teams

[cobalt vigil]

Hi Moolight,
You mostly took good pokemons in DPP. However has a couple of weaknesses which prevents it from being viable in DPP OU.

Few rules in DPP:

• Have a switch to Draco. Here you can't a) tank it, your resists have no spedef b) trap it. This can be tough to deal with here.

• Have a clean answer to Gyarados. Here you have fast rocks + Starmie which can work, but is very shaky (Say if the opponent is playing HO with Aero/Aelf + Gyara you may lose on turn 1 ) you also have no spinblock to protect you rocks so any combo with spinner + Gyara is dangerous. 95% of the time you are taking a scarfer with an electric move, this is your safest bet.

• Magnezone - Zapdos is antithetical. Magnezone supports teams which struggle vs Skarm & Jirachi.

• Azelf + Starmie is (kinda) antithetical too. In general here you deploy too much energy to deal with hazards.

You could try to go magless with starmie like this for example https://pokepast.es/c907e0088d9e9678

[civic spade]

I don’t run Zard a lot. I don’t see a lot of zard without running mixed offense or at least beat up for bliss but it exists. A player zpanther who’s also a team rater is pretty high on Charizard and has some teams here: Post in thread 'ADV OU Set and Team Sharing' https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/adv-ou-set-and-team-sharing.3648620/post-10789118

It’s really strong at punishing teams that rely on pixies for their offense/wincon

@tawny egret maybe can give you better zard specific advice however

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/7ddad2c0fae1a8ba roast me

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @worldly walrus, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

Id prob run gyro over knock on that ferro

And maybe agili thund over grass knot

If ur gonna run cm keld

And i would prob run roost over trick on latios

With specs you usually dont want to trick your item

[wheat timber]

oh ye quick question can I fit thunder on latios?

[gritty scaffold]

Well you can but idt is good

[wheat timber]

ok then, still is the team overall fine?

[gritty scaffold]

Yeah

Just need a few set changes

[wheat timber]

btw what are the mons I should be worried about?

[gritty scaffold]

Terrakion , latios , rotom wash , zam

Id maybe consider scarf latios on this

With trick over dpulse

Jirachi can also be annoying

[wheat timber]

Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Draco Meteor
• Surf
• Roost
• Trick
  this?

[gritty scaffold]

Yeah

Id recommend lum berry on ferro to handle better rotom though chople also works to trade with terrakion if it comes on ferro by some pivot

[wheat timber]

without leftovers won't it need something like leech seed for recovery?

[gritty scaffold]

Well rain plays more offensively

Ferrothorn @ Lum Berry
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Power Whip
• Thunder Wave
• Explosion/Knock off

You can run leech on the 4th move ofc

[upper plume]

Imo if ur running offensive rain then Starmie > Tenta

[gritty scaffold]

Tenta in off rain still good imo

Best check to keld to rain

If ur gonna rely on latios to check keldeo it can get tough specially vs specs

But yeah true starmie over tenta still good

[wheat timber]

what set for starmie?

[karmic geyser]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/starmie/

[gritty scaffold]

Same as this

Though dont run lo

Just go with baloon

[wheat timber]

Ok then, still can rain function in more of a balance theme?

[gritty scaffold]

Well yes but balance rain is usually hard to pilot

Something like politoed , ferro , lando-t , tenta , latios , thundurus prob can work fine

Id show some more examples but i gtg now sry

[wheat timber]

it's fine, thx for the help anyways sry if I asked a lot

[gritty scaffold]

Nws

[tawny egret]

Zard can go a few different ways it has beat up which threatens Blissey directly and enables a lot of good mixed offenses but its also pretty great on spikes or on cm pass

[undone dagger]

Yeah I noticed the Zapdos problem, I switched back to flygon like in the other build. I was considering replacing Starmie with a bulky water or perhaps adding a second one somewhere.

Thank you for the advice!

Also SD scizor was a very strong wincon but Metagross doesn't need any setup

Ah yeah, the main reason I went Zapdos is to have a strong special wallbreaker, the main goal was to have a Pokemon who can deal with gliscor and the like and not give DDTar a free setup chance. Although it does occasionally, scizor is solid to revenge kill it. So if it gets chipped to say 56% or so unboosted BP cleanly finished it.

But now Metagross is bulky enough to deal with that and flygon covers the dragons. I also toyed with CB dragonite over Metagross

[undone dagger]

what about keeping metagross (flygon over zapdos), although I add enough bulk to live +1 gyarados earthquake

I think Ill go with a spread of 72 spdef.

That causes timid Latias Specs Draco to only 3HKO without rocks

252 SpA Choice Specs Latias Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 72 SpD Metagross: 153-181 (42 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ SpA Latias Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 72 SpD Metagross: 112-132 (30.7 - 36.2%) -- 99.4% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock

I might actually

drop Starmie

for a bulkier water.

for instance, Supercune perhaps?

[upper plume]

Not sure about Azelf tbh

You have Azelf to instantly seize momentum and then two Choiced breakers from which the opponent can recover momentum

[undone dagger]

go on?

[upper plume]

A better question is which of these Pokemon are you trying to build around?

Because if it's the Choice Band Heracross then Im not sure if using Azelf is the best idea

[undone dagger]

yeah, Heracross. I've tried a lot of cores with it, this one is hyper offense

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/b32cc91ed707a7ba

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

Made wof ho but bad 😭🙏

[upper plume]

Feel like setup Heracross would be a better choice for HO

[opal beacon]

so u replaces

kyub

which was needed to not lose to gren

but added a kommo

which isnt that bad of a rain check

[limber stone]

Kommo is arguably better at checking gren

[opal beacon]

its not bad

[opal beacon]

seems fine @limber stone

[undone dagger]

I tried sd flame orb, it just dies way too quickly

To residual

[olive stag]

gen8 ou grass spam team. I really like Banded Boom and I dont really know how to use Bulky Boom tbh. Been using Balloon on Zone to use iron defense into Melms first attack, mainly super power if they run it, then dodge the EQ with Mag Rise
https://pokepast.es/0b21328db2fa0db6

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

Oh lol i played you on the ladder

[olive stag]

I hope I didn't do too terriblely 😅

[limber stone]

Nah its 1-1

[olive stag]

Heck yea! What team were you running?

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/4f2a927d886e0368
https://pokepast.es/74372f4ee522cb88

[limber stone]

Anyways imo grass spam should be on more offensive structures

[olive stag]

Oh yea these were good matches and made me put toxic>knock off on Lando

For the Zapdos

[olive stag]

How would you make it more offensive?

[limber stone]

Make Rillaboom life orb sd (the dex set) scarf kart for starters

And then a mix of blaziken gmolt weavile garchomp Dragapult aegislash lando lele and flame body heatran

But I'm also ass so take my advice with a grain of salt

[olive stag]

I'll give that a shot for a separate grass spam team since I've never built that offensive leaning of a team

[naive stump]

With those changes, it's way harder to break balance now

Z-ground kommo-o cant 1v1 cress

Same for your lele since it's AV

And 3A volc cant break with pex

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/70f94bf295df9fb9 good for a starter?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8 BDSP] OU RMT @upper plume, @cyan ether. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

Holy hell, BDSP

[upper plume]

Team doesn't seem horrible but at the same time you're basically playing 4v6 for a lot of the game because Weavile and Alakazam cannot switch in ever

[wheat timber]

damn, any suggestions for changes?

[upper plume]

@tall wedge?

Its not like you're struggling vs all of the offensive stuff because you have UnaClef and two fast Pokes

[tall wedge]

LO Monke and Mamo would be scary

I’d also say SD Sciz is scary since the only consistent counter is Tran

For a first time BDSP team though this is actually decently competent

I’d just run Draco Psy on Lati

[remote horizon]

https://pokepast.es/89c389d0660e4107ive seen a bit of sucess from this team but i struggle with damage

[wheat timber]

so is there any changes I can make to deal with ones you mentioned?, also I don't really like that combo since it gets walled by steel types

[tall wedge]

Most of the steels you can overwhelm with those two

Especially at +1

[tall wedge]

I think you could probably swap out Zam and Weavile for a bulky scarftom and Scizor. If Sciz is SD you can drop CM on Clef for Flame/Fire Blast or Twave

Oh and Tran should at least be 230 speed/160 EVs in speed

For Offensive Scizor

[wheat timber]

specfic set?

[wheat timber]

also stupid question but what's scarftom? 😭

[tall wedge]

Scarf Rotom-Wash

[tall wedge]

I’d probably go with Flash Cannon over wisp since Togekiss could maybe be annoying

[wheat timber]

Ok then thx for the help

[karmic pagoda]

this is probably a good idea

[undone dagger]

@upper plume I tried this out, this seems to be giving better results
https://pokepast.es/df393d1666b36a63

I might swap to Colbur Berry Azelf though

[upper plume]

You lack weather clear for Sub Suicune

Its probably better to just go offensive

[undone dagger]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-2505830434

SubCune turns out to be a nice addition to the team.

[upper plume]

@tall wedge how are you not a rater already

[upper plume]

My issue with this team is that you dont have enough sweeping power if you're using lead Azelf

I think an SD Heracross (doesnt have to be status orb, can even just be something like Leftovers or Occa Berry or Chesto Berry) is better because you can capitalize on forced switches to set up

Also synergizes decently with your Magnezone because you can trap Skarmory

I think Agility Metagross is the best set here if you want to use it as a cleaner

You could probably still use Suicune if you really wanted to, helps give you an answer to Gyarados and Heatran; just make it offensive Calm Mind

For the last, DD Tar makes the most sense since you are rather soft to Zapdos and DD Tar sets up on it

Gives you a another threat that hates Skarm and Zong and deals with Heatran

[upper plume]

I think that the pace of the lead doesn't match the pace of the rest of the team

[undone dagger]

Merry christmas lol. Also I didnt realize SD hera without a status orb was viable. i thought that was the only way to run it or something

[undone dagger]

my metagross as you can tell, basically ditches agility in favor of a four attack variant. i dont really find agility that useful since with the extra spdef its on average, bulky enough to take a hit or two but ill keep this in mind

[undone dagger]

yeah I made it calm mind hydro ice beam and protect, to bait exploders

[undone dagger]

im honestly not a big fan of Ttar, its kinda gimmicky in my opinion, plus Flygon is an awesome infernape and rotom check, when I removed it for Zapdos I noticed I had no solid switch in to rotom overheat or thunderbolt. flygon solves this and is a DD tar check itself, so I keep it.

[upper plume]

This is the main feedback of this team

Like the team you had is fine, even with the Azelf, but I feel it'd be better with another lead that you can use midgame

[undone dagger]

Like which leads? Honestly the only bad matchups are empoleon and Metagross

Taunt u turn into Magnezone destroys a lot of leads and also beats these two if you switch cleanly and they miss or set rocks turn 1

For the scarf ttar issue I just switched to Colbur Berry but focus sash is still good.

I could lead with like flygon or zapdos or something, but I like my lead to have utility and some offensive presence

Im not trying to argue or shut you down btw, these are just my team preferences but im still open to what you want to say

[undone dagger]

As you perhaps noticed this team is a physically based offensive team, I built a counterpart specially based offensive variant if you wish to see

[undone dagger]

https://pokepast.es/adcd46441ac85de5

Specially based version

The only notable issue here is that I want a sweeper that works better with Rain Dance Kingdra

although I enjoy a mixed wallbreaker

[limber stone]

What on earth

[undone dagger]

?

what were you responding to

[remote horizon]

https://pokepast.es/153622553f38edb2 gen 7 ou team i made using some traditional sets

[tall wedge]

Idk I never applied to be one

Seems kind of pointless when we get 1 rate a year

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/78b0f1d12420ca70 Tried to make a stall team, it feels bad idk why 😭

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8 BDSP] OU RMT @upper plume, @cyan ether. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tall wedge]

Yeah stall is kind of an awkward style to build in this meta

[wheat timber]

Oh I can tell 😭

[tall wedge]

I’d say switch Quag for Mie since you’ll want to utilize hazards. With Mie taking hazard control you can have an extra slot on Gliscor which could be some high PP flying Stab to take care of Toxic Orb Breloom or Heracross. Some players have discussed Jab as an outlandish Gliscor option which I don’t hate for Tang. Just as long as Tang doesn’t sit on Gliscor which would allow it to knock other members of your team.

Blissey can be a normal Soft boiled, Toss, Twave, and Rocks

Tran I would make max speed so you can lure in and wisp mons such as Daunt and Azu who would otherwise be petrifying for this team.

Skarm could maybe be swapped for Tang. Your MU into Weavile would be worse but you’d have better answers into Offensive waters and a good trick absorber

[wheat timber]

sorry I took long to replay, by flying stab ig the only real option is aeriel ace

[tall wedge]

Wing Attack would be better for PP purposes

[wheat timber]

ok then thx

[undone dagger]

I made this team a while ago. It was mostly just seeing how Lanturn would do in dpp ou
https://pokepast.es/ee8704912ce668a9

[quartz remnant]

@opal beacon u free

[quartz remnant]

are u the ecopapa guy

[upper plume]

Feel like it doesn't beat Suicune

Which is one of the Pokemon youd like it to beat

Actually it might if you have a 24 PP Electric move

[faint matrix]

Ain't no way you remember peoples username 😭🙏

[undone dagger]

Hera beats Suicune

And heatran explodes on it

[undone dagger]

Honestly I mostly use this lanturn set to lure and wear down ground types. With shuca I take most STAB earthquakes and hit back everything

With HP grass you basically hit all the common grounds and survive at least one earthquake

[upper plume]

252 Atk Guts Heracross Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Suicune: 255-300 (74.7 - 87.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

This is honestly disappointing

Shuca Lanturn is a neat idea though

Shuca Lanturn lets you better check DD Gyarados

I'd just advise that you invest in defenses instead of HP; Lanturn's HP is so high that investing in defense is superior

It's why Blissey doesnt often use HP invest

Or Hariyama

Though I dont think you're safe enough against Wacan Gyarados

Actually you have the priority after

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/784f2edfcbccffdb

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

Scarf kart has been very annoying

[opal beacon]

yea well u have nothing to punish it

ur ferro is defensive as well

why is there a random zam there

u could make the lando rh defensive

and then rotom as scarf

[limber stone]

Broken spikes abuser

[opal beacon]

also recover and no sball

in a cress meta

[limber stone]

There's taunt

[opal beacon]

and? u arent dealing any damage

its just gonna ice beam u

[limber stone]

Can taunt and then something else can abuse it

[opal beacon]

what is the something else tho LOL

[limber stone]

Ferro

[opal beacon]

only ferro can come and seed

16 leech seeds

after that its doing nothing

[limber stone]

8 moonlights

[opal beacon]

cress is gonna be on a team which is there for longer games anyways

[opal beacon]

its not staying in'

and if it gets lucky and u get freezed on the ferro on the switch, it will be bad

I am not a fan of this build tbh

[naive stump]

Would remove chomp imo

The offensive core looks a bit weak otherwise

I think KB > Chomp is better here

Rotom is mid atm for me

Would go fini > rotom esp since pex is pretty sus otherwise

I agree with Alpha with lando def being better than scarf here

Since speed control is low, lop > zam makes sense

Finally, I would put chopple berry on ferro for zam MU

https://pokepast.es/241b995cdbf8fc2e
Smt like this

[limber stone]

This looks cool ty

[quartz remnant]

hes famous

he beats me

[undone dagger]

Oh ok noted. Also I got this nice replay with Subcune winning a Calm Mind war

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-2506850284-xx2qs4muv2mhx85w8n37d6gwptk52lapw

Pdef or spdef? @upper plume

Any HP investment at all?

[undone dagger]

I usually get a free dance on a resisted choice attack, like Tyranitar pursuit, or sometimes a burned Pokémon.

[undone dagger]

https://pokepast.es/f0e4903e6df53536

Whats a good replacement to slot over Infernape here?

I wanted to make something different than the metagross magnezone variant

this one is focused on special offense

[upper plume]

@cobalt vigil

[cobalt vigil]

aero special offense is not used. Latias doesn't fit on these teams because the -2 draco is way too punishing. If any steel type like Lucario, Metagross or Jirachi comes in and starts setting up you cannot handle these boosted threats. You can try working with this https://pokepast.es/e43b37c7ec676778 as a start, and add a berry Jirachi to gain midgame utility in case you lose momentum.

[undone dagger]

Ah, alright. Shouldnt I drop ape though since im using rain dance latias?

[cobalt vigil]

you don't really need to

I think kingdra is you late game sweeper here and infernape comes earlier in the game

so infernape won't be handicapped by rain

also mach infernape is good on those teams without a scarfer

[undone dagger]

I like the specially based mix set

thinking about dropping u turn for grass knot though

[cobalt vigil]

special mixape is valuable on bulkier / slower types of offense

those that can afford to lose momentum

[undone dagger]

is there a reason for this btw?

[cobalt vigil]

against threats like Latias, DDtar, uturn mach infernape is very useful in HO

special mixape is forced out by latias, starmie etc

on "bulkier" offensive teams you can afford that

[undone dagger]

gotcha

can I drop a sample set I could maybe try

[cobalt vigil]

Infernape @ Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 64 SpA / 192 Spe
Hasty Nature

• Fire Blast
• Close Combat
• U-turn
• Mach Punch

you can play overheat too

[undone dagger]

Infernape @ Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 64 SpA / 192 Spe
Hasty Nature

• Overheat
• Close Combat
• U-turn
• Stone Edge

I was thinking this

I rarely see stone edge

[cobalt vigil]

this works aswell

[undone dagger]

but it seems solid

[cobalt vigil]

it's viable

[undone dagger]

are there any ev benchmarks I should go for

for my team

[cobalt vigil]

Just go max attack

you will be using cc / uturn mostly

[undone dagger]

Alright

64 special attack EVs?

[cobalt vigil]

yes

you can drop 8 speA and put it in speed for the ape speed tie

[undone dagger]

oh ok

sooo

Infernape @ Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 56 SpA / 200 Spe
Hasty Nature

• Overheat
• Close Combat
• U-turn
• Stone Edge

this team isnt drag mag though

so idk who ill put for the last 2

[cobalt vigil]

2 steels is the norm in dpp, I'd suggest shuca berry Jirachi and Wacan Gyarados

shuca mixed jirachi

Taunt -> rocks -> ddgyara -> duel the scrafer / trap defensive latias -> go with the flow and don't let ttar get free setup. keep kingdra for turns 15~20

[undone dagger]

Alright sounds good

[remote horizon]

nope

[quartz remnant]

oh

he runs smth similar

[torn tapir]

https://pokepast.es/780797d41d62e8fe
blaziken HO, can drop anything but blaziken (jolly blaziken btw)