Old Gens OU

[opal beacon]

Looks good

Any problem with a specific pokemon?

[raw hornet]

didn't try it much but lop seems tough

ive been suggested to use a more bulky team to let latios time to wallbreak tho

hence not use zone

what do you think of this?

of this suggestion i mean

that's the way abr went with building that one old latios sample

difference is he used zone

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/70de61dd121f45e9 >>>

Btw @opal beacon

https://pokepast.es/916997a57f9f189e

You forgot to suggest fixes for this

[opal beacon]

Need zone to punish Ferro and scarf kart and even zam

[opal beacon]

Lando and mag, can play smartly and win

[opal beacon]

Singular defog lando with dnite
Don't like that

[limber stone]

im talking bout the one below

[opal beacon]

This looks like an ho so make it a bit more like that
Koko screens might be nice

Not a fan of heatran

Unique set yes but ig could work

[opal beacon]

Team loses to lop

[quartz remnant]

@opal beacon https://pokepast.es/21bc254b16f01b1d

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-clarkson-top-gear-the-grand-tour-tgt-gif-18037509

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-sometimes-my-genius-almost-frightening-driving-car-ride-gif-16463163

if u take a look ping me

[raw hornet]

yeah but in a bulky team the match is gonna be long anyway and ferro doesn't have much recovery so you can just wear it down with your longevity right ? and why zam?

and kart i mean okay but it's easily defensively checked so why would we need zone specifically to punish it?

[opal beacon]

no leech goes crazy

idk why I typed zam

I meant

skarm

[opal beacon]

is it

it keeps doing damage to u if no zone

[raw hornet]

but how does other teams manage to punish it then?

[opal beacon]

tang

skarm

hazards

pex also walls scarf without continous crits

mega scizor

[raw hornet]

okay but can't we just play something like the mons you just said but in our team?

[opal beacon]

I meant not really needed

Your core is optimal

imo u are already using a good team

[raw hornet]

idk seemed way too obvious and an easy team for latios

i was wondering, since it's that easy to have a good build with latios why haven't anyone used it in spl or just in ladder

like do people just not care abt the mon like at all

or do they believe it just sucks

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/4d385a17f6907103

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

[quartz remnant]

@opal beacon big guy

rate when

🤑

[opal beacon]

its not that great

imo

its like B tier

too many sand teams and cress teams around

[opal beacon]

u just replace 2 mons

celesteela and serp instead of mag and kart respectively

not much to rate here

[quartz remnant]

wdym

magnezone on sand?

oh wait

still

this is a stupid take

exca ttar are alr fixed on sand, zap is preferred here for my fight resist, mag/steela is replacable but i went mag for the pivot

[opal beacon]

yea so there is nothing to rate

.

[quartz remnant]

stupid logic

w/e

[tender coral]

this is fine as-is, perhaps run shadow sneak over steel beam on Aegislash?

tspikes look annoying though

[limber stone]

It's just that steel beam has some absolutely insane calcs but sneak might be worth cuz I need something for chomp

I made heatran willo asw

252+ SpA Choice Specs Aegislash-Blade Steel Beam vs. 252 HP / 240+ SpD Landorus-Therian: 334-394 (87.4 - 103.1%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Choice Specs Aegislash-Blade Steel Beam vs. 240 HP / 252+ SpD Garchomp: 318-375 (76.2 - 89.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

It's nuts

But I've only used that move like thrice in 15/16 games

So there's that asw

[tender coral]

holy

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/f438fab4a6f2d9f0

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @opal beacon, @frigid idol. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

taunt thund but no fucs

focus

what are u gonna do vs ferro

and a few more details but I will give it a look later

[frigid idol]

If you want to use Volcarona you should be really careful about Stealth Rock. Those will be set against this set for sure. Therefore you should use a Pokemon with removal. If you don't want to do that you should at least use Sitrus Berry on Volcarona so it midigates the damage taken.
I am not sure why you run Protect on Keldeo, but generally I do not think it is worth it for the leftover recovery.
I think I would drop Bug Buzz on Volcarona for HP Ground so you can deal with Volcanion and Heatran better.

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/510e10200e93b45b how about something like this

[limber stone]

is that like mandatory

knock thund must have fblast

[opal beacon]

I mean the point of taunt thund is to deny hazards

status etc

u have no way of denying it here with no focus

yes, maybe a player will switch out expecting focus but when u reveal all 4 its not gonna help u much

also what paprika said, no remova with volc is ugly

[limber stone]

what about this one @opal beacon

[opal beacon]

out rn net is shit, will look later

[limber stone]

yea np

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/00f547f1cc28a4a5 revise

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[orchid tiger]

This is giving worse German offense

[limber stone]

How is it "worse" when it's a different team

The ground and steel is different

[vague helm]

https://pokepast.es/0ad371ac09edd74c i tired. i failed. now i need Help.

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @worldly walrus, @upper plume. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

This is just strange

[vague helm]

yea im running sun in Gen 5 what did you expect?

[upper plume]

I think the main issue is that you're running stuff like rotom heat and infernape here

the most consistent sun teams (setting aside that sun isn't consistent) are sun stall

so after the ninetales/forretress/jellicent/blissey direction, you would probably continue with a second form of hazard control (usually Xatu) and then either some speed control or another wall

we should note that the team, if we were to only include the first 4 mons, will lose to a lot, including Kyurem-B, Reuniclus, and Gliscor

Band Infernape isn't that bad here to be honest, but I think the Rotom-H doesn't really help you

you can experiment with this 6 but with Xatu > Rotom-W

and then probably add speed evs to give Ninetales some defensive utility against mid-speed threats like Excadrill

is there a reason why your Ninetales is so slow and your Jellicent so fast?

[vague helm]

Ive been jumping around water types. jellicent was just the one i put there, i was using gastrodon before hand. also the ninetales was slow af so i would be slower then ttar so i didnt get sand chip. did it work? no.

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/75b18978e02156c5

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

scarf lele is not real it cant hurt me

[tender coral]

it's not even that bad of a matchup, just make Zapdos bulky

[limber stone]

hm alr

https://pokepast.es/a26c64158c0f4625

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

protean gren does a number

but playable I suppose

also kyub does a no

but kyub teams dont have chansey in the back usualyy so blace a revenge

but they might have a fini

so u might have problems

but playable still I suppose

[limber stone]

any fixes?

[opal beacon]

not really no

u just need to play aggresviley

[gritty scaffold]

Sun is usually only good as stall

But even then sun is too niche in current bw

I wouldnt recommend building if ur new to the tier

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/c3d5f2ebe0ab1af1

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

Should I make serp glare

[opal beacon]

both hp fire and glare are fine

[warped venture]

https://pokepast.es/5f41e359e9b2d3b2

Wanted to give BW Weatherless Offense a try, Hydreigon is a cool pick I've wanted to run in BW for a while who looks like they patch up a lot of Weatherless Offense's poor MUs very nicely.

[limber stone]

hm

maybe conk should be lefties bulk up

but im not aware of hydras niche

this might as well be messmms team

with latias> hydra and rak>lando

[opal beacon]

any pokemon u are facing problems vs

u cover cress problems as well

u also dont directly lose to psyspam

[limber stone]

not yet no

[opal beacon]

and rain as well is a bit covered

with kart

[limber stone]

tho ive only played 7 games

[opal beacon]

rotom and serp

[opal beacon]

I cant think of a mon that might given u a bit trouble

[limber stone]

:D

[forest crag]

someone was mentioning dd gyara for ADV earlier, and I gotta say, I've found the most success with sub dd hp rock and eq

https://pokepast.es/f12e05a7036d61b2

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @civic spade, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest crag]

peaked somewhere between 1675 and 1700

[civic spade]

Both tar and gar look like issues for your squad. I think I’d go eq on lax over rest. But team looks fine overall. Happy to see more people trying out Gyarados. @forest crag Could try something over mag to patch the gar weakness. Some suit tar set could fit nicely to hit gar+skarm and opposing tar/bliss w/ punch/bb

As far as yolo skarm goes, my experience with it is low. But if it has been working well for you, can keep as is. I typically always feel better just going standard

[upper plume]

Weatherless offense isn't really that much of a thing in BW; the weatherless teams are largely hyper offense

which this kind of is

but even then, Hydreigon doesn't really fit on these teams and don't really help with all of the problems of hyper offense teams

[warped venture]

Just out of curiosity. What do I use it with then? I imagine some kind of Lati Hyd Dual Dragon Sand core is fine, but I'm still trying to adjust to building BW Sand again.

Because really this is all just convoluted excuses to use Hydreigon.

[upper plume]

the real answer is that Hydreigon is a rather niche choice that is hard to justify

It's weaker than Latios and much much slower, so much so that you lose out on the defensive utility that Latios provides

so it ends up being an eh balance breaker with a bad matchup into offensive teams

[warped venture]

That I'm fully aware of. But then leaves me very confused why it's so high on the VR if that's the whole story. I've just been trying to see what sticks with it for a while, and what warranted B rank.

[upper plume]

why is hydreigon so high lol

ain't no way it's better than salamence

why is mew so high

anyway, hydreigon is best used on rain or sand balance teams as a way to threaten opposing sand balance teams

I think peng has also talked about Scarf Hydreigon to give it some use against offense

[forest crag]

yea i recently modified the team to take eq off lax, which made some matchups better and some worse, so you're definitely on point

and ill check out suit tar, could definitely patch some holes!

[limber stone]

Scarf that loses to volcarona 💔

https://pokepast.es/22aae3eff3e78ca8

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @rich cloud, @opal beacon, @wise hatch, @frigid idol. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

Msciz has been giving me a headache

[rich cloud]

you don't have a switchin to anything

your defensive backbone is rest serp + av bisharp

and praying that cb azu and scarf lando can revenge kill

need to fix this brochacho

what core are you trying to build around

[limber stone]

Chomp+lando

[limber stone]

[rich cloud]

im guessing sd chomp right 🫩

[limber stone]

Yes

And scarf lando

[rich cloud]

why scarf lando

what does it do for sd chomp

acc nvm

whatever

ok

the first thing you need is a solid ice resist

you get boned by weavile

mmeta + keld sounds decent

you can run rocks meta since you have sd chomp to break

[limber stone]

I thought azu and bish are good enough

Oh

[rich cloud]

they are both slow as balls

[limber stone]

Yea

[rich cloud]

and weavile just switches out

theres no punish

[limber stone]

I like mmeta keld

[upper plume]

Scarf Drill:

[rich cloud]

scarf lando:

[limber stone]

Usually paired with careful tar

[rich cloud]

anyway

[upper plume]

who says you can't pair scarf hydrei with careful tar

[rich cloud]

serp can stay

[limber stone]

Hydreigon doesn't do anything to +1 tho

[rich cloud]

however i'd probably run lum berry synth

[limber stone]

Same EVs?

[rich cloud]

hell no

we can worry about evs later though

[limber stone]

Ale

Alr

[rich cloud]

hazaards are a real pain in the ass

same with thund

any electric type really

how do we lose to electrics with double ground

https://tenor.com/view/punch-punching-laptop-rage-smashing-screen-gif-17930159

[limber stone]

Lol

Thund is him

[rich cloud]

this is probably fine

we cant trade vs zam

this team pisses me off

[limber stone]

Cm or rocks clef

[rich cloud]

no switch ins to anything

[rich cloud]

clef is our sponge for everything

because our two main defensive pivots are now offensive

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-wipe-face-irritated-rdj-robert-downey-jr-gif-16464058

[limber stone]

😔

Using two offensive grounds on one team is tough eh

[rich cloud]

no its not

offensive lando + exca pair really well

scarf exca + sd chomp pair really well

[limber stone]

Cuz it's exca

[rich cloud]

https://pokepast.es/29e1ff29a2226519

try this

lando last move should likely be superpower

or boom

meta set is far from optimised

i think we want mash punches bp

no rocker

rocks over twave on clef

but then we cant soft check zam

[limber stone]

Whats the ghost resist berry called

That + twave on starmie maybe

[rich cloud]

no

dont think about it

run colbur if you want a berry

[limber stone]

K

[limber stone]

What about rocks on scarf lando

[rich cloud]

screens serp volcarona manaphy mega of choice

👍

[limber stone]

🔥

Real

[civic spade]

Could probably run a wish rachi too over mag to still deal with skarm/forre with fire punch but also give heal support to lax so you can skip on rest more comfortably

Without the momentum sink that comes with clicking rest, esp without sleep talk

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/823aacbc716404f5

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

i am depression

[low jasper]

Not a fan of bish here

Better off doing something like Urshifu

(Also because terrain blocks sucker)

[plucky fog]

https://pokepast.es/c5a398231d3d4076

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plucky fog]

@opal beacon

idm doing it here

[opal beacon]

vs lando leads u will have to do cloyster because this exca always loses to rh landos

could consider hp fire on lele to help relieve some pressure from scizor

[plucky fog]

yh

[opal beacon]

the probability is that they will switch out

but scizor pretty much sweeps

once u reveal focus

[plucky fog]

yh tru

[opal beacon]

also

why is it pump

on cloy

[plucky fog]

not too sure tbh i should put spikes on

[opal beacon]

no physical water type moves?

[opal beacon]

or spin yea

[plucky fog]

yh

maybe even sub?

[opal beacon]

no

def not sub, very rarely would u even get to use it

u could use razor shell if u want a physical move for a water

on cloyster

or waterfall

[plucky fog]

doubt i need

prob just going for flinch on everything

[opal beacon]

I suppose that's more ideal yea

can do spikes tspikes last tbh - its kinda nice

otherwise its a pretty standard HO structure imo

[plucky fog]

this is maybe only calc thatll matter

spear into shell ohko

[opal beacon]

waterfall

does more

and alos doesnt miss

[plucky fog]

oh i didnt think it got

[opal beacon]

I just checked it

and apparently it does

[plucky fog]

ic

spear into waterfall doesnt ko

but after rocks it does

goods enough

ah

liquidastion

[opal beacon]

wow

[opal beacon]

sure

[limber stone]

Holy fuck

The amount of cheese

[polar mesa]

https://pokepast.es/7a8f92536644ee48

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

Sand teams usually have a strong steel like celesteela and a pex to handle the psyshic and water type mu's thought u do have a Ferro, it drops to focus and after hazards chip

[polar mesa]

my main issue is the xard and glis MUs

[opal beacon]

Greninja, especially protean also seems like a shit mu

[opal beacon]

Well u don't have ice punch

On ttar and u have to go to ur own torn everytime

And if go to keldeo oppo can switch out easy

[polar mesa]

ye so im wodnering what to do here

;-;

[opal beacon]

Maybe an offensive ttar with
dd fire punch stone edge crunch

[polar mesa]

and rocks on the clef?

[opal beacon]

Yea

Don't do cm

Do rocks soft Moonblast

And ice beam maybe, instead of the usual twave

Zard, u should be able to beat zard in sand

U lose to zard Y tho

Which is why sand teams also have pex

[polar mesa]

shld I drop keldeo for pex

[opal beacon]

If u are dropping keldeo for pex, u might as well use the sample sand imo

[polar mesa]

Yeah I find that to be an issue with SM

[karmic geyser]

OverUsed (Gen 7)

• Sample Teams
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• Role Compendium
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Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[polar mesa]

dont build just ask marnie or someone else for X team idea

bc it prolly alr exists

ik Skype alr did a keld sand with 🍄

[opal beacon]

The problem with building in sm is that, it's the toughest gen to build new teams

[polar mesa]

with all the crazy demanding breakers yeah

[opal beacon]

It is easy to slap 6 good mons but the sheer amount of things that are in this gen

It becomes difficult

Rain, sand, sun, bo, ho, hard stall

[polar mesa]

Atp I wanna know what ideas haven't been tried yet tbh

[opal beacon]

Z moves

Different megas

Pokemon that can run different type of z
Say volcarona - bug, psychic

Etc etc

[opal beacon]

That, u will have to go through manually I suppose

Another thing about keldeo teams are that, they are usually paired with cress

I made one keldeo with cress but I noticed that Skype had also done the same

[polar mesa]

ye Cress sponging Lele/other nuiscances is good

[opal beacon]

Yea

But that same team had something for pex as well

https://pokepast.es/5d71bfa6969429eb

@polar mesa

Or the https://pokepast.es/4e8cf58fcbb27ab9

No one used hippo sand much now

Because cress exists a lot and ttar handles that so

[naive stump]

I like the idea of keld + exca or keld + mttar but, imo, the three together is too much to support overall

Maybe keld + utility exca instead

Or suit mttar + keld

Even if pursuit support with keldeo is pretty overrated since it's only useful for tias and tias will hate burn + rocks in the long term

Mttar + keld + exca is prob possible but you will have to make quite a lot of concession with certain extreme MUs

[polar mesa]

fair :C

[opal beacon]

Latias teams majorly will have a pex somewhere
Keldeo gets hard walled by it
Sure cm sub taunt scald is the only set that beats it ig

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/882914fe265a3405

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

Loses to torn

Also loses to stall

Medi also always does a number

It always claims one whenever it's in

Yea I think you will have to start fresh

[limber stone]

How is that

It's slower than everything except fini

[opal beacon]

Not gonna count hawlucha

Serp isn't killing it if not chipped

And if chomp is -spa after draco

The medi is gonna come in and claim

Looking at the team structure it's pretty evident that's it mega chomp

Think of it from the opponent's perspective imo, would make it s bit clearer

Also zam seems like a shit mu as well

[limber stone]

Hm alr

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/a6f1a4989554bc8d

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @rich cloud, @opal beacon, @wise hatch, @frigid idol. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rich cloud]

works ✅ ✅ ✅

you can consider max spatk thund

[limber stone]

I'm scared of excadrill

[frigid idol]

Generally I think the team is too weak or to fragile in order to beat bulky teams consistantly. You will have trouble breaking a lot of cores with it. Taunt Thundurus can be a nice touch to break stall, but it is limited in his switch ins, when Stealth Rock go up.
Overall the team looks solid, but I could imagine in having troubles against some match ups in the current meta.

[limber stone]

Isn't pup metagross supposed to be good into bulkier teams

[frigid idol]

it depends

but it can yeah

[compact vessel]

I think that I agree with paprikaflow here. most of the time when you play chomp and search for an offense pace you should not hesitate to invest garchomp in attack. here you can still have a little bulk on it if you prefer but I don't think you lose a lot by putting sd and like eq outrage/dclaw on it

the problem here is that you have two win conds and 4 supports. I get the idea of like av to remove tias (that is not that common rn) and thundy in the back for para ect but here I think you should really lean in into offense for metagross to pick up the pieces in the end game with pup

[rich cloud]

well you cant really do much vs. it without focus blast or knock off

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/b69bc415ae61781b

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

oh well

[limber stone]

i dont know how much i need

or like where do i even start

for sd tankchomp

[limber stone]

mhm alr

[compact vessel]

this is weird, like you clearly want an hyper offensive style stacking volcarona and gyarados but at the same time you chose av gear and mega chomp. volcarona and gyarados are a good idea with serp as support, I just think the rest is weird. cm berry gear seems better here for exemple so you can stack winconds

[naive stump]

Pex will have issue to 1v1 either sub or taunt keld (which are the only 2 real sets on it)

On top of you assuming pex would be haze

It's more and more common that people are greedy with pex's haze to fit instead t-spikes

[opal beacon]

hmhm maybe

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/21e7657cec6d7ac0

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[compact vessel]

why no fsight on lele? why do you prefer psychic? I feel like it would pair well with urshifu

otherwise idk looks like what you posted already. moltres is maybe an unoptimized choice but I think it can work here. not sure about this ss is not my forte

[limber stone]

Moltres acts as the requisite ghost resist for such teams

While being a ground immunity

Unlike weavile

[limber stone]

Fsight lele is not that easy to break with

It's not like future port with kantonians or gking shifu

[compact vessel]

are you sure? psychic terrain future sight with lele special attack seems pretty good for me to melt things in tandem with urshifu

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/708a702446ecbfd3

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tender coral]

don't love teams without toxic but this looks good

good job

[limber stone]

Don't know where i can slot toxic

[limber stone]

[tender coral]

probably Lando if you make it smack down -> stone edge, or Kartana

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/dbd3a062d73d9f09

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tender coral]

https://c.tenor.com/D03VIt768u0AAAAd/tenor.gif

[limber stone]

💔

[limber stone]

Nah ts is wild

Kart weak team in 2025

[limber stone]

@tender coral you better not be giving these teams to ur guy btw

[tender coral]

?

why would I give your teams to anyone

[limber stone]

Because I'm planning on using ts

[tender coral]

sure

[compact vessel]

Do you realize that this is a public server though? Anyone can see your team

[raw hornet]

yeah you should just delete it from here

if your opp knows you have this team you'll just get hard countered

[polar mesa]

https://pokepast.es/a44a13429b8e2618

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[rapid thorn]

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[rapid thorn]

Trying to build g8 stall

[opal beacon]

What structure are u looking to build

With diancie dnite thund and volc u are looking at an ho structure

And then u have a cress and a suicine at back

Not to mention the cress is also eject button

The team u are building is also similar to one that already exists

Well it's similar to two teams
A wof ho and another idk from whom

I can't remember the 6

[polar mesa]

I remember CressCune being a thing that some HOs use

I forget what the 6 was tho

[opal beacon]

I also am not able to remember

Annoying

I think it was diancie

cress suicuine

Volcarona dnite

I don't remember last and I am also not sure

[polar mesa]

;-;

I thought thundy would make sense as a last to voltblock + remove

[opal beacon]

I just woke up

😭😭

[polar mesa]

oh mb

😭

[opal beacon]

Thundy one

Is used in a wof ho

[polar mesa]

oh

is my team fine then? 😮

[opal beacon]

diancie volc kyub kart thund

Lele

U lose to stall

[polar mesa]

oh

:C

what would be an appropriate last for cress cune volc dnite mdia

[opal beacon]

Something for electric types

Since vswitch is free vs ur team

But thund is not a long solution which is why it's used on HO

So that u play fast games and put pressurr

Which I don't think u can do here

[polar mesa]

should I rework stuff

[opal beacon]

Yes

I suggest you do that

I will think of something as well

Remind me to not rate teams in the morning

[tender coral]

this is actually pretty good, I don't think it's a top tier team but I certainly think that it can work

probably a bit weak to certain types of grass spam but the matchup isn't unplayable, ditto for CB Ttar sand

@tribal smelt thoughts?

[rapid thorn]

Idk if i should slot in heal bell/aromatherapy anywhere

As for grass types corv+hydrei have those covered no?

I considered av amoonguss over clef but i wanted a knock off user (idt pex is very good on stall).

[tender coral]

I'd consider running rest Chomp over Quagsire so Blissey can be your cleric

you already have one unaware in Clef

[rapid thorn]

Rest garchomp?

[tender coral]

Pex is fantastic on stall lol

yeah spdef rest

rocks/EQ/toxic or a random move/rest

[rapid thorn]

Hmm

Maybe

Wouldn't i be weak to some physical setup mons that force out corv?

I feel like water/ground and steel/flying have a lot of synergy

[rapid thorn]

It just feels too passive

It can haze but like then what

U took a +2 from whatever just setup and now ur low and need to recover and in some cases u can't even do that and need to regen.

It feels like a defensive backbone for balance more than anything.

[tender coral]

you just use Pex for knock off/light screen/tspikes/scald on stall teams

haze is nice but it's not necessary with unaware teammates

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/6acf6d37ebc290d2

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[limber stone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/710320046810857484/1321016501611794473/tyranitar.gif

[tribal smelt]

Heal bell is mandatory with unaclef so it should be on bliss or clef
Quagsire is redundant and should still be a Toxapex owing to the team still being middling into physical threats
There's some fancier things I could expand on but these are the general points I'd immediately change

Pex set should be knock tox scald recover

[runic rampart]

Zapdos MVP (Zapdos) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Rain Dance
• Protect
• Thunder
• Drill Peck

Cloyster @ Lum Berry
Ability: Shell Armor
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA
Rash Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Rain Dance
• Surf
• Rest
• Blizzard

Gengar @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Psychic
• Giga Drain
• Shadow Ball
• Thunder

Salamence @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Rash Nature

• Fire Blast
• Dragon Dance
• Earthquake
• Dragon Claw

Golem @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant Nature

• Brick Break
• Rock Slide
• Earthquake
• Protect

Metagross @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Meteor Mash
• Earthquake
• Ice Punch
• Psychic

This team is good? Or i should change something? [Gen 3] OU

[upper plume]

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[compact vessel]

yes your team look very similar to this old one that pops up sometimes in tours

I think bengay did it first, then wof edited it for sm or the reverse I don't remember

I think thundy in there is not stupid as those structures are always very weak to koko early game.

rn it is not a stable structure, yours is weaker to swamper and rain in general. I know ruffles and proftreez did a similar structure as well

with exca dnite victini cress diancie suicune iirc

theirs has better hazard control for dnite and suicune and a sturdier answer to electric types with exca

yours is a mix between theirs and the popular one. I think having the suicune, dnite and volcarona is maybe too ambitious, how does it do in test?

that said, I don't think you can cover everything with those type of HOs, they are very much for finding bs mus either with suicune and the matchupmoth

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/16523db1e1a625c5 absurdly greedy

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[opal beacon]

No screens

And everything u have here needs some screens or things

Well this requires a complete rework
U have merged bits from a lot of teams

First 3 are fine
The last 3 don't fit

[polar mesa]

I havent tested it yet but alpha said I am not good into stall

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/2cdae88cb28d2990

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[opal beacon]

loses to rain

loses badly

[limber stone]

every team has bad mus

[opal beacon]

are u sure u want to use a team which loses to the most common playstyle tho

any team which has gren will be problematic as well

lele mu is fine

zam is manageable

kommo is fine

torn is not very bad

latias is also fine

sand mu sucks

but if u can get some turns right u could have the upper hand

[limber stone]

😔

[opal beacon]

the exca only has to get +2 up vs something like mag and its very diffcult for u to win from there on

[limber stone]

welp

[limber stone]

what can be done

[opal beacon]

well add a water type

like gastro but it wont solve the rain problem since its a spdef wall so only will wall gren

so maybe a fini but it would also get chipped eventually

idk looks like a remake to me

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/552d4a4e2b5e360e is this overcooked

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[polar mesa]

https://pokepast.es/ff84c11b86736740 this team is HORRIBLE into heatran, how do I fix it

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[opal beacon]

rocks up and toss toss and scald scald

knock with torn

and it would be playable

[polar mesa]

being playable idt is good enough no?

pex will just die

[opal beacon]

first it will need to magma u

and then taunt u

and then it will start clicking

ep

lava plume heatran would be easier to deal with as well

latias if running cm stored power

should be sub imo

or u risk getting statused

u are not gonna be able to setup in front of anyone otherwise

also krook looks meh

it is very very niche

only good in that 1 team

[polar mesa]

the team was made around krook so marnie told me to go in this route

whats the sub lati set again

[opal beacon]

its sub recover cm stored power

walled by dark types

and also by pex if u are not able to setup i.e.

[polar mesa]

ill make the pex toxic spikes then

now Gliscor sucks tho

ok yknow what im scrapping the team

nevermind

i know where this is gna go

[opal beacon]

I think cm stored power with ice beam is bad

either u run

psychock

and that way u dont need stored power

psychock because helps u hit chansey

[polar mesa]

maybe I should go back to the 4 I had before of

Krook Chansey Pex Torn

[limber stone]

Mega zam>mlati

Check heatran by tracing flash fire

Psychic focus blast recover taunt

But then there's no spikes 🥀

So will be hard to finish games

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/fe508e058f50573b

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[limber stone]

Can't believe I'm using cl*fable

[tender coral]

drop Skarm for a secondary steel type

Melmetal would be the sample tbf lol

idk I think this structure is pretty solved

[limber stone]

Spikes tho :(

[limber stone]

That one has nature power heatran and util clef

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/087d7e6fa27fae22

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[limber stone]

Might be an overcook but

Maybe might work

[tender coral]

it definitely is

where's your tspike absorber to not run removal

also EQ Melm on grassy terrain

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/15de17f73e66f772

[tender coral]

please run superpower on Melmetal bro 😭

drop toxic

also keep Clef on this structure

if you have Pex you can viably go defogless I think

[rapid thorn]

Toxic melm is fine

[limber stone]

Corv kinda cool as a secondary wincon tho

[limber stone]

So I keep tpunch?

Corv is great for pp stalling cc and sstrikes

[frigid idol]

not cery much. Having Surf on Keldeo doesn't make much sense. Scald value is much much higher, especially since you are Specs and have access to Hydro Pump.
On Volcanion Hidden Power Grass would make more sense, since you are running two Water-types with high special attack.
Generally that kind of team forces you to make very precise plays and doesn't allow you much room for errors, depending on the mu. Since you play an offense with two choice mons and little pivots, you will have to create certain positions by outplaying your opponent, when faced with certain difficult MUs. All in all the tools are there though.

[limber stone]

Alright tysm

https://pokepast.es/f2d0add4c9e0e940 now this

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[limber stone]

This is something

So much gas

[tender coral]

are you aware that grassy terrain weakens the power of earthquake

[limber stone]

Yes

There's been multiple spl teams with this

It's a sample asw

[tender coral]

only on Chomp and not Melm lol

[limber stone]

Oh lol 😭, I was wondering how u forgot mb

Lmao

[subtle sable]

https://pokepast.es/7202dbcaab762dd4

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[frigid idol]

Generally the team looks good. There is one thing that really needs to be fixed and that is that you don't have a flying type, which you can't pass on, especially with 4 Pokemon getting hit super effective by ground moves.
With Mega-Metagross running Meteor Mash over Iron Head is usually the better choice, allowing you to get a potential Atk raise and OHKOing Clefable at the same time.
I noticed you have Defog on Latias and Rapid Spin on Excadrill. I don't think you team needs double hazard removal. You could change Rapid Spin to Stealth Rock, since they are missing on the team. Another option would be to substitute one Pokemon for another Stealth Rock setter, maybe something like Landorus-T or any other constalation, that allows you to have a Flying-type and a Stealth Rock setter in the same team.
Else it is a solid effort 👍

[subtle sable]

I don’t like meteor mash that much because it miss a lot

[frigid idol]

there is no rule saying you have to run it, so if you want to go with Iron Head that is valid

[subtle sable]

Ok and what Pokemon should a replace with Lando?

[frigid idol]

either rotom or lati are candidates

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/9bb434e5396d83bd

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[opal beacon]

looks nice

could consider taunt

on zam

gren weak I would say

specs pump looks annoying

[compact vessel]

Yeah you could go with av lele here

And change the lucha spread, you don’t need 36 spedef anymore

I know the idea of the team is double dance gear but celesteela looks annoying

Without tbolt

[opal beacon]

Isn't that the problem with all psyspams
I kinda thought it would be a little bit manageable with z chomp if played well

[compact vessel]

Yeah of course but giving up one other way to damage celesteela seems like a missed opportunity

[opal beacon]

Tbolt does hit more pokemon I suppose

[rapid thorn]

What do you guys know about choice specs ninetails-A blizzard

Choice specs pelliper hurricane

Choice specs torkoal eruption

[dusk edge]

the second one is good

the others are not

[rapid thorn]

Noooo

[limber stone]

Honestly tbolt might be better

Having to hit focus blast multiple times to function doesn't sound good

There's a reason I paired ts with specs lele

To break down heatran ferro etc

https://pokepast.es/3951952bbf63fa18

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[strong raft]

https://pokepast.es/ad7b4ea2efe80779
Newer to SM OU. This seems pretty standard based on what I've seen

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[opal beacon]

yes this is pretty standard stuff, I suppose u went with psycho cut because u dont want zen headbutt missing?

[limber stone]

This is empo medi volt turn but with gren over volcarona

I'm pretty sure

[strong raft]

I like more consistent stuff and the move not making contact seemed like it would help

But I'm fine with using zen since it's not that inconsistent

[opal beacon]

its fine

its not bad move per say

tbh

its just some more chip

but crit chance would help with psycho cut

[karmic geyser]

Psycho Cut (Gen 9)

Has a higher chance for a critical hit.

Type

Psychic

Category

Physical

Power

70

Accuracy

100

PP

20 (32)

Priority

0

Target

Any adjacent

Flags

• Can be selected by Metronome.
• Can be copied by Mirror Move.
• Blocked by protection moves.
• Power is multiplied by 1.5 when used by a Pokemon with the Sharpness Ability.

[opal beacon]

oh uhh it doesnt

L

[strong raft]

Doesn't what?

[opal beacon]

oh nvm it does

psycho cut has higher crit chance so it covers the less damage

and well also the miss and flinch

[strong raft]

Seems hard not to accidentally build a sample

But it might just be because I'm not experienced enough

[strong raft]

Sorry for the ping but do you know what 18 Spe IVs on Magearna does?

From the empo medi sample

And the sassy nature

[opal beacon]

hmmhit is

[opal beacon]

empo medi sample does not run 18 spe ivs

sassy is just to increase spdef

[strong raft]

I mean, it does say 18 Spe IVs

Or is that a mistake

[opal beacon]

uhh where

[strong raft]

[opal beacon]

I dont think it says that

atleast not in the samples thread

[strong raft]

In the IVs part

[opal beacon]

oh shit I am blind

I thought u meant EVs

[strong raft]

I was wondering if this was a bit or if you were serious

[opal beacon]

okay

sassy reduces speed already so I believe it is 18 to make it slower so that u always take hit first and then switch out

I am not entirely sure but I believe that might be the case here

[strong raft]

Mmm ok, I was just wondering why 18 specifically

[opal beacon]

prolly a certain benchmark

[strong raft]

Might use that since I don't see anything that I need to outspeed on the speed tier forum

[opal beacon]

good luck

[subtle sable]

https://pokepast.es/2ffd308d1c2f6073
Volcarona trap

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[opal beacon]

rock z ferro?

that is def not good

team kinda weak to psyspam and rain because no real switch ins

rockz ferro def a meme tho

use smogon standard sets

buzzwole seems a bit random as well it is def not seen in these type of structures

would suggest using samples and getting accustomed to the meta before building

[warped venture]

https://pokepast.es/b4983861a20d383a

"Holy shit."

• Volcanion, probably.

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[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/4a37837f0731ef34

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/d601c4f1da5400d6

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[peak canyon]

need help with nickanmes mainly

YO VAPICUNO

dam a goat

i, kinda dont know the other 2 tho 💀

[limber stone]

p sure onyl 2 of those mons are remotely viable

maybe 3

[peak canyon]

Lol

[strong raft]

https://pokepast.es/42b4581cd3c48be7

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[opal beacon]

this is a good attempt

u lack a scarfer tho

[compact vessel]

It has good ideas, i like those sun structures with cress as enabler but you lack an answer to ash gren for sure

Spe def rotom is never enough against it

[opal beacon]

yes also an ash gren check

I would say remove chomp for scarf lando and rotom for a fini but it would be similar to normal sun structures

so idk if u waana try to build a "new" team or a "good" team

it would also help vs kommo

having a fini i.e.

could do with whirlpool taunt nature madness set

to remove the pex

which would make sweeping with zard even easier

[strong raft]

Good team but atleast one thing different from a sample

[opal beacon]

I would def change rotom for fini then

[limber stone]

I don't like garchomp and rotom here

[opal beacon]

and would consider

max def

garchomp

if u want something new

max def kinda nice for taking hits

[limber stone]

I would honestly make chomp max attack and speed with sd lol

[strong raft]

I mean, I could do scarf lando too and go helm Cress but then I lack a flying resist

[opal beacon]

idk about that one haha

[opal beacon]

dont need one, just go fini and ice beam torn

thats the only flying mon

[strong raft]

Mmm

[opal beacon]

zap would crumble with rocks and zard Y

u have a weavile aswell

if u go lando and go fini u would have the perfect sun team

weav will help catching latios/latias which wall zard Y

[limber stone]

I just don't think tankchomp has any value these days

[opal beacon]

true but in this particular structure it would help to take hits

otherwise u are putting all the pressure

on the cress

which I dont link much

[limber stone]

I was thinking with sunny fire fangs chomp can melt steela and skarm

And then u can make kart scarf

Something like that

[strong raft]

Is rocks on scarf lando viable?

[limber stone]

That's also true

[opal beacon]

yes its rare but its not uncommon

well uhh I mean

there are better slots but its seen

why did I say rare and not uncommon in the same line

LOL

[limber stone]

@opal beacon

[strong raft]

Cuz I won't have rocks if I go explosion

[opal beacon]

idk about scarf kart in sand , I like z grass more and synethis healing with knock is a good set

[strong raft]

For the 4th move

[opal beacon]

rocks uturn eq explosion

[limber stone]

U don't have any scarfer on the team for now tho

[strong raft]

Is explosion more valuable than coverage?

[opal beacon]

I think u can get away with not running explosion

[strong raft]

What would explosion help with?

[opal beacon]

it helps to ohko mons or deal heavy damage which wont die because of ur sets like rotom wash, fini, hawlucha, torn etc

[strong raft]

Also if I go trapper fini I won't have a 2nd defog user and I feel like fog and rocks on scarf lando isn't that good

Or is that fine when I have zard

[opal beacon]

honestly its fine since u have roost on zard as well

[strong raft]

https://pokepast.es/821a5ffc07733e68

Options I'm thinking about
Lunar Dance > FSight
Something > Explosion (Or Keep)
EV spread on Fini

[opal beacon]

used the smogon sets right?

[strong raft]

Yeah

[opal beacon]

if u used the ev spread of fini from smogon analysis

its correct

[strong raft]

Ok

[strong raft]

I think it's just Stone Edge or Explosion on Lando

[opal beacon]

yes

others are fine

[strong raft]

I'll prob decide after playing with the team

Thanks

[strong raft]

Went with explosion. Btw, how important are scarf users in this gen?

[opal beacon]

there are teams which dont run scarfers but certain teams do require speed control

in ur case u lose to zam without the scarf lando

its still a difficult mu but atleast a bit playable imo

it would also help vs stuff like last mono koko which outspeeds ur entire team

[strong raft]

Alright

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/439e97af02553a64

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[opal beacon]

hp ground?

are u going for an ho here?

[limber stone]

Not really

But it turned into one

The idea was blaceph+keld

[strong raft]

https://pokepast.es/d9e9ba2dce47bd7d

Might be a bit weak to some common stuff

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[strong raft]

The spdef on Slowbro helps it not get consistently ohko'd/2hko'd by some special attackers to para them (probably isn't even needed)

[opal beacon]

what are the calcs on hp ground on pex and ttar and other stuff

does it even 2ohko

kinda looks like an ho tbh

team need a tspike absorber but ehhh idk about this one

it doesnt seem to bad imo

kommo could be a bit crazy I suppose

after a dd and it kills diacnie its a sweep

well but u do have a lando to stop it to some extent and then kart could help

ur psyspam mu vs hawluca is aids tho, nothing is gonna help vs that
lando could provide chip but ig if u dont let it sd u could do something

this is a hard one lol

[opal beacon]

I am gonna tag @compact vessel because I need help with this one

[opal beacon]

what is this kyurem spread?
u could just run the smogon set for slowbro tbh

team def doesnt like tspikes so u gotta play aggresive

u also dont like rocks and volcarona mu also doesnt look that great tbh

no scarfer makes the team slow

[strong raft]

The bulky spread mentioned in the analysis seemed like it would help on this team

"Kyurem-B can also run a bulkier EV spread very well because its base Attack is so high that it doesn't necessitate full investment in order to be a strong wallbreaker, giving its Roost sets much more defensive utility in the face of the likes of Protean Greninja and letting it make trades against Mega Diancie and Mega Charizard Y. An EV spread of 248 HP / 116 Atk / 32 SpD / 112 Spe with an Adamant nature allows Kyurem-B to outspeed Modest Heatran and survive Moonblast from Mega Diancie, with the rest pooled into Attack."

[limber stone]

I changed the team https://pokepast.es/55cb8056a23834a5

But idk what hp ground rolls are

Just the onw on the dex

[opal beacon]

replaced kart with mag

and went with scarf lando

[limber stone]

Yea needed a real steel type

[strong raft]

When would a team not need a scarfer, excluding the obvious stuff like stall and the like?

[limber stone]

When ur using Dragapult/Zeraora/zamazenta

[opal beacon]

usually pretty much each team runs scarfer a very bulky offense team could get away with it

[limber stone]

Or weather booster guys

[opal beacon]

say if u have zam weav and stuff packed in the same team u could avoid it tho def not recommended

there will be situations where a scarfer will help

[opal beacon]

dont think u need one

u are spdef invested on slowbro

think it eats a moonblast with ease

anyways

[strong raft]

Thought it would help in general*

[opal beacon]

its not bad imo

people do run spdef kyurem

it helps vs

ash gren

torn

even eats focus from zam and lele and is a nice surprise

[strong raft]

@opal beacon Should I replace mlop with kart and then replace Slowbro with a ghost resist?

[opal beacon]

and run no mega?

I dont like that

keep this, this seems fine tbh

u do struggle vs cress but otherwise other mus arent super bad

and also cress can we killed

[strong raft]

I mean, could also replace heatran

[opal beacon]

u should go ice punch>qa tho

well qa is also nice I suppose but I like ice for lando gliscor switches

[opal beacon]

for ?
u do need a bulky psychic resist

and also something for scizor since u lose to it otherwise

heatrans helps vs that

and also vs mag

[strong raft]

Yeah true

@opal beacon how important is a ghost resist in this tier?

[opal beacon]

I wouldnt say very important

not many ghost tyoes

blace

is one

gengar is like rare to non existent

mimikyu is seen only on ho

also many teams run ttar and stuff so they are seen lesser and lesser

but blace is a scary mon and can sweep sometimes

but most modern teams have ways to deal with it

it does run trick which can cripple stall in the long run

[woven hollow]

https://psim.us/t/1383260-hb6n27ojdgpuxa5p1w93

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/view-team-1383260-hb6n27ojdgpuxa5p1w93

wont work

https://psim.us/t/1383260-hb6n27ojdgpuxa5p1w93

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/view-team-1383260-hb6n27ojdgpuxa5p1w93

[opal beacon]

hi

use pokepastes instead

go to the builder

click on the team and scroll down

u will see an option upload to pokepaste or soemthing

click that and then share that link

[woven hollow]

Eiscue @ Salac Berry
Ability: Ice Face
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Belly Drum
• Substitute
• Icicle Spear
• Zen Headbutt

Ninetales-Alola @ Light Clay
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Aurora Veil
• Freeze-Dry
• Hypnosis
• Hail

Tangrowth @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 172 Def / 88 SpD
Relaxed Nature

• Giga Drain
• Rage Powder
• Knock Off
• Poison Jab

Incineroar @ Figy Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 244 HP / 100 Def / 164 SpD
Impish Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• Parting Shot
• Fake Out

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

• Sludge Bomb
• Earth Power
• U-turn
• Weather Ball

Regice @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Ice Body
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Blizzard
• Thunderbolt
• Icy Wind
• Ancient Power

Bad execution but i wanted to try and make a hail team

[strong raft]

Bottom of the teambuilder

[strong raft]

https://pokepast.es/5e20b6227b430b79

Thoughts on this version of the team with fini over bro

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/8cd6a7037340bd8d

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

mosquito

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/468b141db2a34a4c after some testing

[opal beacon]

Any particular reason why?

[strong raft]

Just felt like it helped the team more

I'm bad at explaining my reasoning for stuff

[opal beacon]

it does

well its not a bad pick for sure

[paper wagon]

https://pokepast.es/7c7bd97268c18c65

someone help me out pls, i want a team with 4 dupe pokemon for fun, is this good?

[upper plume]

who knows!

[limber stone]

@anything goes

And as this is the old gen rates thread

Aegislash is banned from both oras and sm ou where mega Scizor is legal

And rotom wash is unviable in sm and oras ubers

[strong raft]

https://pokepast.es/78d21759779aa045

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

Make serp the utility set, make magearna cm berry

And gren can be a volcarona or something

Can also consider garchomp>kommo-o and mew>lando

[strong raft]

That's just ABR HO so likely not gonna do that

[limber stone]

Ok make gren tapu koko, make kommo garchomp and make lando max speed imprison with yache

Now that's skype ho

[strong raft]

Not going for HO since I can just use ABR HO

[strong raft]

@opal beacon could I get a rate for this

Also, are there any specific times you don't want to get pinged at?

[limber stone]

Well that 6 leans into such structures

[opal beacon]

yes it is a bit similar to that

could consider dd on kommo and rocks on lando

or taunt

taunt kommo is good

team seems fine tbh

medicham is a bit difficult but can outplay

latias also looks a bit painful

with twave and shit but not bad

[strong raft]

I was considering Rocks Lando, but scarf Serp being my only removal felt off

[opal beacon]

I would rather rocks on lando

and taunt tbh

u would really like taunt vs certain mons like pex

[strong raft]

Could try it

The only other thing I'm considering is a different move over Iron Head on Mage

Likely going to keep it tho

[strong raft]

Btw

[opal beacon]

I am +5.5

so if u ping me after 11 u will get a response the next day

[strong raft]

Ok

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/3376870e97ebeda9 gen 7 would've been my favorite if that stupid paper isn't everywhere

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

this is weak to all kinds of bo

[wheat timber]

don't even know what is 'bo'

[opal beacon]

bulky offenses

well it would be doable imo if u play super well

[wheat timber]

I mean shouldn't toxic wear down bulky mons?

[opal beacon]

catch everything

what is that

gliscor spread

[wheat timber]

utility set

[opal beacon]

no the ev spread

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 248 HP / 64 Def / 60 SpD / 136 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Defog
• Earthquake
• Roost
• Toxic

it should be this one

[wheat timber]

the showdown usage I think

[opal beacon]

nah dont use that

use the smogon one instead

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/gliscor/

in this site just search up the pokemon name

u will find different sets

their uses etc

[wheat timber]

does it survive something specific?

also you said the team painfully weak to bulky offense what are the changes needed?

[opal beacon]

it is given in the set details

[opal beacon]

taunt over rocks on heatran to better caputure and kill certain mons
go rocks on gliscor

this would greatly help out the mu

also u are missing 4 evs

on pex

also why is pex max def

[wheat timber]

switch it with what?

[opal beacon]

252 HP / 124 Def / 132 SpD with a Bold nature is another great option for Toxapex that helps against physical attackers, with the Defense investment allowing it to survive Mega Medicham's Zen Headbutt from full health, while the Special Defense investment prevents Volcarona from 2HKOing it with Hidden Power Ground.

[opal beacon]

toxic

[opal beacon]

use this f

for pex

[wheat timber]

Ok thx btw sry if I seemed a bit dumb I'm completely inexperienced in Gen 7 and 6

[opal beacon]

nah its alright

its a good team if thats ur first attempt

[wheat timber]

actually my second attempt but ye I'm kinda new to the gen, the first team was kinda of weird, it seemed fine to me but a lot of people said it's bad.

[opal beacon]

its fine

this one is good

[limber stone]

Garchomp behind a sub is scary

[opal beacon]

Garchomp behind a sub is rare

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/e777998e7bfb48e9

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

https://tenor.com/view/mega-garchomp-pokemon-mega-garchomp-pokemon-garchomp-garchomp-mega-garchomp-uses-hyper-beam-gif-24862114