Old Gens OU

[opal beacon]

I won't recommend building with that

[lusty grove]

https://pokepast.es/333bd1f03213792a

[lusty grove]

damn i really love the function of the mon

[limber stone]

Yea use the superior dragon ground

[lusty grove]

https://tenor.com/view/cona-black-mane-cona-cona-black-black-conor-black-gif-21357303

[opal beacon]

it is not an OU mon for a reason

its RU

OU>UU>RU>

[lusty grove]

its mostly because It can do something most grounds cant do

[lusty grove]

https://pokepast.es/cdc93079cc0a70ee

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lusty grove]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-patrick-star-gif-20016540

[opal beacon]

4 rock helmet users and no z

Make tang av
Use z on maybe reuni

[limber stone]

Man what is this 💔

I'm not saying it's bad

Good luck against kyurem black

[mint condor]

https://pokepast.es/ddf69a2953ab591f

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mint condor]

your team based on triple regen spam, and i think tang is suck, i dont recommend use tang team..

+zard y and knock off + stealth rock and quite tough on this team, because almost every slower than zard y, and 2hko almost except pex
and sand + z drill is another weakness, because z drill +1 admant nature can 1hko bulcky lando after stealth rock.

and after this, too tough stop drill

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/dc5537d98b94c165

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[zenith lion]

https://pokepast.es/bb729d365f1e8732
I built this team to test the idea of Salac superachi and I've been seeing some positive results from it.

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[civic spade]

I like the idea of salac rachi to bypass Jirachis main shortcomings in dealing with Dugtrio and Aerodactyl and I can see the set paying off on ladder. However this creates a new problem for rachi, since spikes damage will now be permanent without wish support.

You’d be much better off trying to make something similar work on an agi pass team so that you aren’t forced to run a sub par set that can’t consistently use its wincon.

That said, if you kept this current iteration without speed pass I would use Wish or even heal bell Bliss bc taking a twave will completely neutralize that rachi. To give this rachi a fighting chance, I’d also recommend a spinner. Something on your team desperately needs to run some fire coverage as well because I can see Forre being an issue at times when it doesn’t need to be.

I wouldn’t recommend running this rachi set as anything other than to just be used for fun, but since you built the team around it I didn’t want to tell you to just remove it.

[civic spade]

Short answer is this Rachi would work a lot better as a speed pass recipient keeping leftovers as it’s held item

[faint talon]

Looks fine

[floral shuttle]

Also scizor has muscle band instead of mega stone

Hey so I’ve got this team I’ve been trying out it’s decent so far but I wanted opinions (idk how to links so :/)

[rigid zenith]

For sharing links u just scroll down to the bottom of teambuilder, click "upload to pokepaste" then copy and paste the link of the tab it opens

[floral shuttle]

Thank you!

https://pokepast.es/c930313be74c761d

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @frigid idol, @rich cloud, @wise hatch, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[floral shuttle]

Link to the team

[opal beacon]

Why iron head
Just go heavy slam

Aggron wants recovery so it is usually paired with wish support or runs rest

Actually yea this team isn't that great

Lots of sets are wrong and Synergy also doesn't exist

[floral shuttle]

Bc I like the iron head flinch and heavy slam isn’t as reliable imo

I mean it’s my first actual team

I’ve already revised it today

[karmic geyser]

OverUsed (Gen 6)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[opal beacon]

U need a bit More experience

In my opinion

I would suggest laddering with the sample teams
Getting an understanding of the meta

And then giving an attempt at building again

[floral shuttle]

Also aggron doesn’t learn recover in this format

[opal beacon]

Looks good

[opal beacon]

No but it gets rest

So it still heals up

[floral shuttle]

I’m gonna be honest I didn’t even see that

[opal beacon]

Recovery in the sense that it gains back health

[opal beacon]

It's fine, just use samples for now and get to know the meta before building again

[opal beacon]

Medicham goes a bit crazy

But u can play around it

[wise hatch]

Generally speaking this is a decent attempt at a team so good job. It is though not quite how competitive teams looks. I’d recommend taking a look at the sample teams. If you still like the team, I’d recommend Twave on slowbro, defog over cm on latios and Draco, bug bite on scizor as it does more

[rich cloud]

i love aggron but theere are better ways to go about it

the core of aggron + slowbro + gliscor is pretty cool

i would swap out sciz and latios

and dnite

for something like wish clef + a poison type + filler

[little surge]

https://pokepast.es/51512dbb5809e518

gen 3 ou

[gritty scaffold]

you need to put it on a format to get it pinged by raters

[little surge]

how

[gritty scaffold]

you click on format then click on past gens OU

it should show gen 3 ou

then click gen 3 ou and do pokepaste again

[little surge]

hold on

wait

[little surge]

I don't understand

I did all that and it still doesn't work

[gritty scaffold]

Post again the pokepaste

[little surge]

still no use

[little surge]

I don't even know how to select the format, everything I tried doesn't work.

[rigid zenith]

in the teambuilder right above the pokemon when youre editing a team theres a little box that says format

if u click it u can change it

[upper plume]

Dusclops seems so random here

Like you have a physical offense team without Spikes and then the most passive spinblocker in the game

[civic spade]

If you are new I probably would advise against spikeless + spinless teams for now. Your team takes advantage of spikes very well, so I’d recommend swapping out Mag for Skarm, and Dusclops out for a defensive Gengar. Now you’ll have a stronger spike immune spin blocker paired with some of the best spikes abusers (meaning they really benefit from the spikes damage on your opponent). Then lastly I would move Ttar to the lead slot.

Dropping mag hurts the skarm matchup of course but you already have plenty for it. Gengar becomes the next best switch in into Skarm thanks to its spike and toxic immunity, plus with taunt on def gar, you can avoid getting roared forcing Skarm to struggle if it isn’t running drill peck.

[little surge]

I put Dusclops on the team because I wanna experiment

[stiff sail]

https://pokepast.es/ff6d401df5dce7cc @plucky stirrup

[dusk edge]

doesn't this struggle with reflect lax

if you're running amnesia you should also use ice beam to take advantage of it

[stiff sail]

Yeah probably, I threw it together in a few seconds to play a friend

I met a reflect lax immediately but they felt pressured and self destructed

I think they were expecting me to use an ice beam that I didnt have

I cant believe I won that game ngl

sadly I didnt get to fish for freezes much

I gave lax ice beam over eq

since ice beam still deals with a lot of similar threats

gengar is a little more threatening but I have answers to it regardless

I like the team tho, very similar to my one jynx team I had a while back

[gritty scaffold]

Its more than that actually

Id prob drop ice beam for reflect on chansey

Also just run sub over blizzard on rhydon lol

With lax id maybe drop amnesia for hpbeam tbh?

I would maybe run psychic over tbolt on mie bc non stab starmie is a bit lackluster vs lax and things in general

[static yacht]

https://pokepast.es/99f461fc9437baac adv ou

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[static yacht]

made by a friend of mine

personally i'm not a huge fan but i figured i'd consult the experts

[polar nacelle]

yeah its ok but i think u want thunderbolt on blissey to stop suicune

[limber stone]

This is adv offence?

Oh my

[violet garnet]

https://pokepast.es/a4c27634ef270981 adv ou

[civic spade]

A solid 6. But I’d go for a more standard Skarm + a offensive pert could be nice for giving you some extra physical offense which you lack right now

[violet garnet]

i struggle with duskclops too ive noticed

[static yacht]

kind of minor but i'd drop gengar's speed a little

idt anything above like 340 does much for gar

and a few extra spdef evs would help it sponge stuff like molt fire blast and starmie hydro from high health

[stiff sail]

https://pokepast.es/f815090602bc9d57 my first attempt at a gen 3 ou spikes offense team, I'm very unsure about it, I mostly play stall

I mean adv ou

[stiff sail]

I updated it, it feels effective so far https://pokepast.es/1c6d51f1b906fc7b

[stiff sail]

nevermind team sucks

still worse than my suicune team

[civic spade]

A lot of newer players typically play a bit impatient vs Dusclops but if you can keep spikes up and stick to a game plan once you discover it’s set, it shouldn’t be a big deal for you. If you try this, you can avoid switching around dusclops so your team isn’t taking unnecessary damage.

[earnest reef]

https://pokepast.es/8b0719da62c2a1d0

hmm bot isn't working

@polar nacelle @surreal crypt hii

anyways was building band hera and was thinking of cool guys who address mence

and lunatone seemed neat, has a very neat defensive profile that compliments hera nicely while forcing out its checks and baton passing for momentum

figured since i was already ibeam bpass cm made since and so leaned a little towards the cmpass angle

but i haven't built much special offense before so honestly not entire sure abt the latter 4 esp skarm

open to any advice!

[gritty scaffold]

it doesnt work if you have comphelper role already

[earnest reef]

ah 😭 i gotchu that makes sense

[paper wagon]

https://pokepast.es/48ecbf38c66f2a1e

[faint talon]

Power up punch pert is bad, just use superpower or stealth rocks depending on how much you want ferrothorn to die
Koko needs to be something that breaks pex and ferro, does fine into mlopunny
My initial thoughts were manaphy because it's broken and breaks everything, that offensive rotom-wash set or maybe magearna, shift gear Z-fight focus blast fleur cannon thunder
Ash greninja NEEDS to run a strong water move on rain like hydro pump or surf, water shuriken is insufficient for getting kills
Drop ice beam for it since I don't think it kills much that hydro can't
You can probably drop extrasensory for spikes too
Choice specs is probably best over life orb, greninja hates chip and you could use the power to kill harder

[paper wagon]

got it, thank you for your suggestion,
Im not sure if I understand correctly, so do you mean i should switch koko to lopunny?

[dusk edge]

no, they mean it should be something that's good vs lopunny

like manaphy or washtom or magearna

[limber stone]

Make koko a mana

[paper wagon]

Wouldn’t there be too many water types?

[paper wagon]

I was thinking there’s way too many water type

[faint talon]

You have a ferrothorn it's fine

And also a torn-T with an unmissable hurricane

[paper wagon]

what build should the manaphy have

[faint talon]

Manaphy @ Waterium Z
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 248 HP / 240 SpA / 20 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tail Glow
• Rest
• Surf
• Ice Beam

Idk

I think it fits better than the other set

[silk bobcat]

Greetings, I finished the Gen 8 Story somewhat recently and am trying to build a good competitive team for mony making and the battle tower. I like Aegislash and Dragapult that you can loan from battle tower so I tried to incorporate them to the team. I playtested a few times only and found it suffered against Grimmsnarl especially. What do I do?

https://pokepast.es/4428365f60b78ee4

Edit: I'm very new to competitive pokemon and don't understand the tiers, I randomly chose "Gen8anything goes" format just in case any of the 'mons were illegal

[karmic geyser]

Hey @silk bobcat, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen8anythinggoes. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[faint talon]

There's a smogon thread and discord server specifically for battle facilities
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/swsh-battle-facilities-discussion-records.3656190/

[silk bobcat]

I thought you can have 3 Pokemon, not 2, in the battle tower? Also, By "making money", I meant other battles like in the championships. Sorry, I'm still quite confused.

[opal beacon]

Weird I didn't get tagged for this
Okay so many rains team have been tested and they tend to be not as great as the sample one

Koko rains have existed but I don't like them
I would still suggest u to use the sample rain or the chamrflash rain if u want something unique

Also specs gren is better in rain

LO leads to unnecessary chip + ash gren in rain is a demon

[paper wagon]

I see, so how does sample rain team or chamrflash rain look like? idk where i can find them

[civic spade]

I don’t know how I feel about the cm angle with CB Hera because realistically Hera would benefit from support vs Gar & Skarm so it can really blow things up with STAB. For example suit tar can help trap/elim Gar, but also can chip common switchouts like Molt that Hera doesn’t want to deal with.

Your combination of Pory/Skarm alone should be able to handle one of the likely mence sets too. The defensive backbone you’ve built up will be needed for Hera to avoid losing momentum when you are locked into a move and forced to switch out.

[civic spade]

I think the gameplan with baton pass Luna helps try to avoid that loss of momentum which is a neat idea

I’d also go sub on Kou to avoid status/leech

[flat elk]

Hey, fella. I was wondering what can be a good replacement for Tapu Koko in this team.

[limber stone]

It's manaphy

And change the gren set to standard specs

[flat elk]

Nice

Tysm!

It really helped

[faint talon]

This is pretty much rain
https://pokepast.es/a1d74c4b998d1968

[silk bobcat]

Hi, I edited my team to the following:
https://pokepast.es/59e8e7631b87059e

To clarify, I want a team good enough for battle tower and any other battles in the game. I happened to like Dragapult so that's what I went with to start off. How does this team look?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cyan owl]

any reason why you're using a mono dragon + 1 off type?

[tender coral]

this is perfectly fine for in-game stuff

consider choice specs on Dragapult

[silk bobcat]

except choice specs everything else cool?

[silk bobcat]

I just looked up the smogon website on good partners and I realised I didn't have many legendaries like Kyurem and Latias, so I needed substitutes and crucially one that's resistant to dragon type moves in case I face dragon types

I only found advice on good partners in the monotype section and was lazy to restart the list

[limber stone]

I hate this for personal reasons

[silk bobcat]

I hear it's a hyper offensive team so I guess it's that but cool

[paper wagon]

Got it, tysm

[real walrus]

https://pokepast.es/5377f2a42f644169 @gritty scaffold @upper plume here is the new team exca doesn't have sd yet cause i don't know wich move i was supposed to remove

i like the three attacks plus sand force and i don't feel like i'm that weak to hazards but idk

[gritty scaffold]

you usually drop rock slide for sd

and i would prob run rockslide on tar

also drop gyro for power whip and give protect over knock off

i would prob run spikes over rocks

and give latios colbur berry , make lando run stealth rock over stone edge

[real walrus]

stone edge is bad ? or stacking hazards too good ?

[gritty scaffold]

stone edge is good but tar usually wants rock slide bc of accuracy

vs important mons like volc and thund primarly

[real walrus]

no i mean on lando

[gritty scaffold]

oh lando

more so all teams should have stealth rocks

[real walrus]

but since my lando si scarfed shouldn't i use sr with tar ? or is it okay even on a scarf lando

[gritty scaffold]

i would prob run ice beam over eq on that tar

but you can use stealth rock on scarfers

you can also keep stone edge on lando and like drop knock for spikes

i would prob use a diff spread on drill to have more bulk like this Excadrill @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Force
EVs: 32 HP / 80 Atk / 12 Def / 176 SpD / 208 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Earthquake
• Iron Head
• Swords Dance
• Rapid Spin

[real walrus]

done

[real walrus]

on ferro ?

[gritty scaffold]

yea

[limber stone]

isnt this just standard psyspam with drill>zam

[real walrus]

idk i'm new to gen 5 but probably thay talked about zam over exca

but i really wanted to play sand force exca 😅

[uncut warren]

Hello, I've been playing this sample team (https://pokepast.es/39554da3b60032fc) and I find it really nice against offense and balance but there's two problems :

-If Zapdos is chipped, the Koko+Hawlucha becomes horrendous

-It has a BAD match up into full stall, the team struggles a lot against Pex+Skarm+SableyeM+Unaware

I thought for the latter to change the Tapu Fini set it for a Whirlpool+Nature's Madness trapper set, and I don't have clear solutions for Koko+Hawlucha offense, do you have ideas ?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[uncut warren]

I'm waving around 1450-1500

Oh and the team is horrible against Protean Gren which seems everywhere now

[opal beacon]

Hi so we usually don't rate sample teams and as for the problems u said u gave
The first

1. Zapdos being chipped leading to koko+lucha mu horrendous being bad is true
   Zapdos is the Lucha counter in that team if u see a team which has a lucha your ideal playing style would be to ensure oppo doesn't get rocks up to prevent that chip on zap and also to not use it carelessly so can't really help with that, it's just a way of playing that needs to be changed

2. Facing stall can get tricky if one doesn't know how to fully face the said mons
   Ideally with cb kart and garchomp in terrain one should be able to make some progress.
   Ideally the game will be a long one but a doable one regardless since u have wish support as well

But yes u can make it trapper fini for better mu in some stall mons like pex and clef which would make life easier

[opal beacon]

Most of the protean grens hardly run
Z dig and tend to be z fight

Even if fire I am pretty sure jirachi can handle a few hits easily

So the play should always be to keep the jirachi healthy wish and do the continuous damage

One can also scout for the z dig and z fight with Zapdos

If u know it's protean u don't ideally switch to fini at all since u risk the chance of getting taken down by gunk shot

It's all about how one plays or approaches the battles

[uncut warren]

Yes it's true, it's just that before it's revealed to be Protean or Battle Bond it's often a 50/50 into a KO

[opal beacon]

So basically u want to go to the jirachi during those turns

It's spdef
It will take hits

Protect gives u leftovers recovery

Zapdos can always be kept healthy

[uncut warren]

Does it tank Specs DPulse ?

[opal beacon]

Easily

[faint talon]

I think so yeah

[uncut warren]

Okay I feared it couldn't

[faint talon]

It takes specs flutter shadow ball with less so I don't see why not lol

[opal beacon]

Steel types resist dragon types in general

Plus spdef jirachi is used to handle lele/koko - to some extent / zam - to some extent

[uncut warren]

I was talking about Gren Dark Pulse sorry

[limber stone]

Garchomp under misty terrain and kart deal with stall

In my experience

Esp if u nail skarm with the z

[opal beacon]

It should eat one
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 188+ SpD Jirachi: 254-300 (63 - 74.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Once u know it's specs

[uncut warren]

I had trouble breaking through Skarm a bit since it can phaze me during SD

[opal beacon]

U will have opportunities to heal back up and also fini handles gren if it's specs

[uncut warren]

Nice okay, it's reliable

[opal beacon]

All about positioning

[uncut warren]

Yes rather easily

[uncut warren]

I think I lack the finesse for that lol, I should work on that

But the core Clef-Skarm-SableyeM

Is a bit tough to break through

[faint talon]

CB kart is your stall break

[uncut warren]

Yes, I just have trouble to make it work in practice

Thank you for your insight @opal beacon

@faint talon too

[faint talon]

Knocking skarm helm then just keeping it on the field and clicking moves is your strategy
If you need to take it off the field you have options
You can try ladder with a good player ghosting you to try learning from them, offense is hard to play

[uncut warren]

Wdym ghosting you ? 😭

[faint talon]

As in you hop on call with another player they help you with in battle decisions

Banned in tournaments but fine for ladder and casual games

[opal beacon]

It's all about playing more games and looking at the approach from there on

[faint talon]

Remember to learn from the games than just playing more, you can have a million games and suck

[opal beacon]

Chomp in terrain can help with that
Yes the mu can get a bit over whelming
But it's not impossible

[uncut warren]

Oooooh I thought you meant that they would stop sending message to me lmfao

[opal beacon]

U can make it the trapper fini

It would make it a bit easier

[uncut warren]

For now it's the worst MU I found for the team

[opal beacon]

Yes

They can

Depends on how u play it

If unaware mon then u are kinda limited to some extent

Something to do would be the knock the item from skarm

[uncut warren]

Yes but I lack a good special attacker

[opal beacon]

So that lop can also help make progress

[uncut warren]

So Skarm in particular is rather rough

Especially if they stall the terrain

Zapdos could work but it invites Sableye-M and so on and so forth

[uncut warren]

Lopunny is so so bad against stall

[faint talon]

Zap volts out

[uncut warren]

It's completely walled by Pex and then Pex tries to send Toxic Spikes

[opal beacon]

Run encore lop

It beats stall

The problem with the team u are using is that it also loses to

Cress

I don't like it in the current meta much

[uncut warren]

The team you mean ?

[opal beacon]

Ye

[uncut warren]

I never ran into Cress, maybe it's higher elo

[faint talon]

It's not very common on ladder but it's definitely a good mon

[opal beacon]

Nah it is

Higher up

[uncut warren]

I found it reliable against most MU but I have never been so frustrated against stall and Koko-Hawlucha

[opal beacon]

1650+ u would see more of that

[faint talon]

yeah
1500 isn't though

[opal beacon]

Hawlucha should actually not be a problem at all

[faint talon]

But ye for going higher a different team might be better

[opal beacon]

Technically an oppo never uses lucha if the zap is healthy

So u should always keep it healthy

[uncut warren]

I mean if they never bring Hawlucha and I never bring Zapdos we play 5v5 so it's fine I guess

It's too bad I quite liked the team

[uncut warren]

Cress would not do well against trapper Tapu Fini though, would it ?

[opal beacon]

Yea it wouldn't

[opal beacon]

I mean u bring zap as long u keep it healthy

[uncut warren]

Maybe it's a better set on this then

I just threaten less Greninja-BB

[uncut warren]

Okay okay

[uncut warren]

First game @opal beacon

[opal beacon]

Yep now u know it's protean and dig is a two turn move

U should win from here on

[uncut warren]

I won this one yup

I'm still rocking back and forth 1450-1500 but I learn a bit

[opal beacon]

Yes all games are learning experiences

Lemme know if u need help

[uncut warren]

Thank you I'll be glad to have more insight in the future

[opal beacon]

Yep sure

[subtle sable]

https://pokepast.es/a1517941ded36f44
opinion? gen7 ou

@opal beacon

[opal beacon]

extremely weak to koko

but playable

but no switchin to lele

u will have to play offensively

tbh no reliable fairy switch in

also dual scarf is not good

I would change kart for something like av mag for lele/zam/koko

stuff

also team has no rocks

[subtle sable]

What is a zam

[opal beacon]

alakazam

sry

[stiff sail]

https://pokepast.es/ae79a81cf0d8ee20 adv ou, my best team yet, but could use some critique

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[eternal gull]

How's my team ? (Gen 7 hyper offense)
https://pokepast.es/e23945424826120e

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[faint talon]

If you want to build HO your gameplan is lead your lead, set rocks keep rocks off and let lead die
Then everything else should be either setup or support
Your lando lead doesn't actually keep rocks off, imprison would do that over HP ice
Specs agren doesn't really belong on HO, it'll bring in defensive answers like gearna and let your opponent gain momentum because you're forced to switch out
Lele can belong on HO, but not as specs it should be calm mind (or taunt shenanigans I guess)
I don't really like Lele here anyway, since it will block your own priority (and this would be relevant antisynergy because short games mean that situation will come up)
Idk about mega mawile, it's more of a breaker in my mind than a wincon and is also hurt by psyterrain

[eternal gull]

Okay I'll make thesd changes

[opal beacon]

this team

isnt that bad, seems a bit familiar to fairy spam

[limber stone]

Two z moves

[opal beacon]

yea coming to it

[limber stone]

And bug stabless volc

[opal beacon]

two z moves are bad,

tbh this team isnt a bad attempt

but I wouldnt classify it as a ho

[limber stone]

Yes

[eternal gull]

Okay Ive improved on my team alot what about now?
https://pokepast.es/5c8c94ca0c49e746

[opal beacon]

This is good

But this is offense not hyper offense

[eternal gull]

Could you suggest some changes I should make?

[opal beacon]

No this team is good

U can use it

It just won't come under the category of "Hyper Offense"

Hyper offense usually has 2-3 setup mons

Even with volcarona and maw I would still call it an offense

[eternal gull]

Ah okay

[opal beacon]

U can go full speed and spa on volc

That's fine as well

[opal beacon]

Also I would remove shadow ball from mag

[eternal gull]

I couldn't find any other item so I chose that

[opal beacon]

Make it tbolt for pex

[eternal gull]

Okay

[opal beacon]

Thunderbolt helps with pex

And ice beam with lando and other ground types

[eternal gull]

Ok I'll do that

[opal beacon]

Instead of tpunch on mawile u can do knock off

But tpunch is also fine

[eternal gull]

Ok I'll switch it for knock off

Also what should I replace shadow ball with?

[opal beacon]

Tbolt

[opal beacon]

It's your call, tpunch is also fine but knock off hits more pokemon

[eternal gull]

Okay

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/d1e879ebf6546f48 not quite confident with this one

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

Not bad

But lowkey idk what to say lol
It looks fun

Stall mu could go a bit crazy if oppo has unaware clef

[civic spade]

Hey! Looks like you never got a reply. Team looks solid. I’d probably drop Tox for tect on Skarm. Maybe give gar grass coverage to better deal with pert over taunt or wisp (whatever has been less useful to you)

The suicune is interesting but idk about reflects consistency here

[stiff sail]

ahh thank you, I dunno about giving skarm access to protect here though, I kinda want tox on both it and bliss for easier ways of applying toxic over the course of the match

[stiff sail]

I mostly have reflect because heracross and metagross are really scary :c

[civic spade]

Yeah I get that temptation. Being able to heal up with Skarm can be pretty huge so just something to consider.

[stiff sail]

Yeah

[civic spade]

You can also run roar over reflect to phase things out and avoid getting swept by things like Hera behind a sub

[stiff sail]

yeah I used to run roar on it but it made my suicune a bit less… consistent at times

Just the added physical bulk helps a ton for my entire team

especially on teams with a lot of eq users

gives jirachi more switch in opportunities to set up a heal

My team relies a bit on jirachi to keep them all healthy

[civic spade]

Well you do have 3 ground immune plus a defensive cune

[stiff sail]

Yeah but not all of them are great switch ins yknow?

the added protection just kinda helps

at least I found that it does

which is why I’m a bit reluctant to change it right now

[civic spade]

I can see that. I’d maybe play around with it. Even just resttalk would help give you a win con

[stiff sail]

Yup I ran rest talk too, was super helpful for my wincon

[civic spade]

Yeah I’d probably like that more

Or 2 atk cm rest

[stiff sail]

it feels like any change I make to this team dramatically changes my matchup spread

I think my suicune mu is pretty deece though

regardless of changes to suicune

I have a lot of ways to gash it

I think reflect also makes my ddance ttar mu a lot better

which is a concern of mine

[civic spade]

Hm

[stiff sail]

Suicune can already 2 shot it, being able to tank it better just helps a lot

[civic spade]

I think you have ample ways to deal with those mons that tempt you to use reflect

You can outplay them with what you have here imo

[stiff sail]

yeah I know I just want it to be more consistent if that makes sense

Thats the benefit of stall and I wanted to play into it more

granted I think I built this team closer to a gen 4 stall team than gen 3

[civic spade]

I think roar will help w other matchups, to not get overwhelmed by cm pass or if you go ice beam, to better deal w common Celebi switchins

Which are all over ladder rn

[stiff sail]

yeah I know they are, they just never gave me much trouble

I can usually blow through them if I need to

and jirachi helps too, jirachi is an absolute tank its unreal

[civic spade]

True that rachi set is very evil

[stiff sail]

This team I think does well into a lot of mus, its mostly just finding the suicune set I wanted the most

so I’m just kinda trying to figure out that last moveslot

trying out reflect

I think if reflect comes out as truly unneeded I’ll prob just keep rest talk

I def had a lot of success with that

oh btw how do I make like… a good offense team? @civic spade I normally do stall but I wanna make some more team types

[civic spade]

That’s a good question but also pretty vague. I’d just recommend trying offense teams from dumps/samples. And check out Vapicunos offense guide. I’ll link it one sec.

[stiff sail]

Alrighty, thank you

I’m not sure what to ask really haha, its kind of just uh I tried a dug trap team but it proved to be uh not good

one I made that is

Dugtrio just never got to ball, it couldnt do enough damage while banded to not instantly die

[civic spade]

Here is Vapicunos guide for offense or at least one of them. @stiff sail

[stiff sail]

oh dear

cool, device can read it

thanjs

[stiff sail]

alright so changes I think I’ll make are HP grass over taunt on gar, protect over toxic on skarm and bringing back the sleep talk on my suicune, allowing suicune to be a really really disgusting sleep absorber, I find taunt is really only useful if my gar is in on certain mons and usually spreading burn is more valuable, so hp grass is super helpful for not getting walled by pert since some variations can give me trouble, bliss is prob tanky enough to be a nice toxic spreader but toxic isnt really this team’s main strength, its suicune and spikes mostly

[civic spade]

Yeah will o wisp can kinda do what you want out of reflect permanently so I like that. Can prob do without taunt I agree

Send the new paste if you’d like

[stiff sail]

https://pokepast.es/a276d1fda4414337

there it be

[flat elk]

https://pokepast.es/09b55f6908428dee
I was thinking of running these 4 but I can't think of other 2 Pokémon that I can put in there. Also, if any suggestions related to those 4 as well.

[faint talon]

Format?

[flat elk]

[Gen 7] OU

[faint talon]

This 4 is heavily mismatched in terms of playstyle
Bisharp is an offense/HO Mon
Your scizor set is made for HO teams since it has no recovery
Clefable is a balance/stall Mon and has no business being on the same kinds of things as any of the others, especially if unaware
Anyway you need a sturdy Medi check and rocks and probably removal for kyube, and some speed control
Iirc you're only supposed to post finished teams for rmts too

[limber stone]

Just make it a ho?

[flat elk]

And how?

[flat elk]

So suggestions?

[faint talon]

play and analyse sample teams to learn the meta

[civic spade]

Looks good, sorry forgot to reply the other day. Don’t really like Skarm lead but team looks solid. Cune could be a decent lead, it forces a lot out like tar mence, and tempts metas to boom

[stiff sail]

Yeah, I just prefer having suicune as more of an x factor to my team

[civic spade]

Hopefully you are comfortable around Milo/celebi

[stiff sail]

I am actually

I never really have trouble with them

[civic spade]

Nice then you should be set

[stiff sail]

I remember one game I had I just deleted my opponent’s celebi with good jirachi usage and they dipped instantly

One mon I am concerned about is gyrados

[civic spade]

Taunt will be annoying for skarm

[stiff sail]

also wild shit, but I realized just how tanky claydol was when it tanked an explosion in the ditto, one of the strongest explosions in the tier… at half hp

[civic spade]

DefGar lives anything at +1 besides hp ghost tho

[stiff sail]

Yeah though I’m not sure its gonna carry hp ghost that often

so chances are I’ll get a burn before it does anything serious

[civic spade]

Just nuke it w tbolt

[stiff sail]

Yeah, just worried it wont kill lul

[civic spade]

It def will

[stiff sail]

ah, I just been burned so often by my gengar set when trying to kill with it directly

so I usually assume it wont kill in one hit usually

[civic spade]

Gar is so good if you can use it as a spin blocker early game and cleaner late game. It really enjoys abusing spike chip

Because like you said, it isn’t really 1 shotting anything but it’s so solid late game vs a weakened team

[stiff sail]

yup

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/cd71f34302c475bb team feels very underwhelming these days

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @rich cloud, @opal beacon, @wise hatch, @frigid idol. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

oras lt has ruined me

yache

does it even eat a iciclie with yache

not a bad team

no removal is crzy tho

[limber stone]

Mostly for thundurus

[opal beacon]

ah like that

[limber stone]

Yea taunt has been doing surprisingly effective at denying hazards

[opal beacon]

especially with pinsir

[limber stone]

With aggressive double switching anyways

[opal beacon]

but if u miss something

u still take a lot with rocks alone

[limber stone]

I do use latias with defog most of the time but I feel like I deng hazards with taunt effectively

And hwish is very cracked

[opal beacon]

yea u never drop hwish

if u drop that then dont bother using latias

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/7553178357fc097f

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fickle tulip]

have you been struggling with anything @limber stone

team looks mostly fine at a glance besides into blace and volcanion

actually offensive rilla has 0 reliable switchin either which is a problem with fatter teams with landorus as the flying type

i think you make something a bird and add a bulky water but not sure yet

you can outplay volcanion and rilla its only blace double defog stuff and rain that are huge problems

I think you don't need kartana here though with specs pult + weavile and a defensive core

[tender coral]

https://pokepast.es/18341160336d525b

@limber stone

[limber stone]

just made it, planning on laddering w/ it

[limber stone]

i have kart for the lele mu mostly

it sounds ridiculous yes

[limber stone]

isnt lele one focus blast predict away from going crazy into this

i might be wrong tho

it has very little switch in opportunities

[tender coral]

Lele goes crazy into the original team anyways

[limber stone]

it does yes

[tender coral]

your steels are an offensive Heatran and a paper origami

[limber stone]

lol fair enough

[fickle tulip]

idt buzzwole is that good esp because with buzzwole over clef the team has no pex switchin

[pearl plaza]

https://pokepast.es/77de00f2fa8bbaaf gen 7 OU "StackingScreens" team I made a while ago. The gist of it is being able to utilize screens with options like magic bounce and prankster depending on the situation then switching to a sweeper that also has an option to stack stats based on the situation. Its quite versatile I'd say tho it doesnt use a lot of the meta mons due to some personal reasons I have lmao, but it can hold its own through hours of me tweaking and testing it. Will appreciate comments or suggestions/recommendations to be made since I do feel it has weaknesses I cant see due to me just coming back to play showdown casually.

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw hornet]

2 screen setters is pretty overkill and just them being klefki and espeon is even worse

gliscor definitely does not fit in a team like this and neither does tapu bulu

gliscor is a mon you find in bulky builds most of the time

and bulu is just not for hyper offense

if you wanna use klefki you should use it as a support other than screens

it has so many to offer

and there's so many better Ssetters

i'm saying this if you really really wanna use it but even then i don't think klefki and espeon are really viable at all

and i know you're using a ho but you still need something against ash gren either offensively or defensively otherwise you're gonna struggle a lot

bulu alone just isnt enough especially when it's life orb (which is also a pretty bad item for bulu)

i may be wrong but if i or marnie or alpha or anyone actually tries to make that team better they'll just end up changing everything and at that point you might as well just take a sample team since it's most of the time made to be played by beginners

between the lack of synergy between the mons and the unviable mons present in the team you'll probably end up with something with like 4/6 of the mons cut out and something completely different

i think you should start with a sample team to get a better hold of the meta

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/b7a6b68964ee5cd4

@opal beacon check this out

[opal beacon]

Hello I will rate both of these later

If I don't by tmrw do tag me

[limber stone]

Alr

[faint talon]

doesn't mdiancie go crazy into this

[raw hornet]

isnt mgyara a ho mon?

[faint talon]

Nah it gets used on offense too

There's a sample with it

[pearl plaza]

I already stated I dont use meta mons for personal reasons. Lets just say Im restricted to not using some mons

Actually a lot of the mons

[raw hornet]

We cant help at all with teams if you're restricted to some mons only

[frigid idol]

teams like that are just very fishy. They are great if you run into a few good match ups. People that don't run Zapdos or Rotom-W or missplay their defensive checks. But then there are other teams that do not just lose to Mega-Pinsir and you lose. Keldeo in h.o. teams is similar: it works sometimes and other times it does not.
It can't fullfill the role, where it puts enough damage out so it breaks in a short amount of time, as h.o. mons are supposed to be or be able to sustain long enough. Yet if you give Keldeo sustain it is too weak to do anything. In more balanced teams its teammates can help out, switching reliably in its checks.
The Bisharp set seems to not do enough for the team in general. Lum or Life Orb would probably be better.
Also you have a Mega-Pinsir team and cant really control Stealh Rock, which is kind of bad.

[opal beacon]

I like

generall gyra u will see on ho

but with the cress useage being so much you could get away with it

but

this team keeps taking damage from fini

and also zam could go crazy

if you play well it will be doable

no water type move on gyra will also make it hard

and u also lose to rain

[raw hornet]

https://pokepast.es/8126ce0bb4a30889

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw hornet]

What do you guys think

[opal beacon]

looks good

its as good as an ho will be imo

instead of stone edge I would go claw

[raw hornet]

Wdym

[opal beacon]

on the mence

[raw hornet]

Claw ? What about zapdos ?

[opal beacon]

it means ho is always risky

[opal beacon]

what will u do vs latias/latios/ chomp and stuff

even gliscor

it will just stall u out

[raw hornet]

Yeah true

So what could i do against zapdos ?

[opal beacon]

cm setup with mag and volcarona

also if u are +2 on pinsir u are still doing a lot

just go to volc after and clean

[raw hornet]

Yeah okay i see

[opal beacon]

team is weak to ash gren tho

more weak to protean

but ig if u play it right it is manageable to some extent

I wouldnt worry about gren tho

its cresss and serp and zard X which are seen more

so u cover those parts atleast

[raw hornet]

True true

Thanks

[subtle sable]

https://pokepast.es/b15bb770ef21631f

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[subtle sable]

What do you guys think?

[opal beacon]

ground z chomp isnt that great

sd +eq already does enough damage

go rockium z if u want with the stone edge or go drag z with outrage>dclaw

unless u dont want outrage in which case def go rock z

[subtle sable]

I have tapu bulu

[opal beacon]

that's still fine

just go heatran vs stuff like mags

u dont want to waste your z on that

I was gonna say either that or remove

chomp for

something like scarf kart/band kart

I would say scarf since team lacks the speed control

and then go z heatran

Heatran @ Firium Z
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

• Magma Storm
• Earth Power
• Toxic
• Stealth Rock

[subtle sable]

Tornadus

[opal beacon]

its not enough

vs scarfers

like blace and kart

sure it can come in on kart for the first time

but after rocks

it will become a bit overwhelmed

[subtle sable]

Ok

[opal beacon]

if u want you can give it a try

you will notice it yourself

tbh give it a try and lemme know how it feels

[woven hollow]

https://psim.us/t/1282057-8nrw8dq9wyhh80frok3u

How is this.

I think i should replace electrium Z with water Z

[gritty scaffold]

share a pokepaste

to ping the raters

[faint talon]

Your whole team gets cooked by megazard X, and fires in general
Your magearna is running screens but no pivot move, and nothing has any setup moves to abuse the screens with
Mega sableye should be on stall but this isn't stall
No speed control
Etc etc
Use samples to figure out the meta, ping matchmaking in the SM discord server if you don't like ladder

[woven hollow]

Yeah its too weak to fires. it still perform good

i dont think its VC worthy

[faint talon]

VC?

[woven hollow]

Like actual true competitive not just ladder

There is a doubles team i made i think is worthy though its secret

[opal beacon]

Elec z
So I am assuming sm team

Can I get a paste

[faint talon]

https://pokepast.es/1607632a585dfcf2

[opal beacon]

Okay I would suggest looking at the replays first

Sry I mean the sample teams

There is so much to change that I don't think this is viable

[karmic geyser]

OverUsed (Gen 7)

• Sample Teams
• Viability Rankings
• Speed Tiers
• Role Compendium
• Metagame Discussion Thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[woven hollow]

Gen 7 OU

Swampert @ Swampertite
Ability: Damp
EVs: 4 HP / 244 Atk / 8 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Waterfall
• Earthquake
• Ice Punch
• Stealth Rock

Pelipper @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Relaxed Nature

• Scald
• Hurricane
• Roost
• U-turn

Raichu-Alola @ Psychium Z
Ability: Surge Surfer
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Serious Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Thunder
• Psychic
• Electro Ball
• Surf

Tapu Koko @ Choice Specs
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 8 HP / 4 Atk / 244 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Thunder
• Volt Switch
• Dazzling Gleam
• Hidden Power [Ice]

Ludicolo @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 29 HP / 0 Atk

• Rain Dance
• Hydro Pump
• Giga Drain
• Ice Beam

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Spikes
• Leech Seed
• Gyro Ball
• Thunder Wave

Is electro ball good on raichu in this case? i heard it is a bad move but raichu moves so fast on electric terrain.

[dusk edge]

thunder + electroball is redundant

[woven hollow]

Fair point

i think it shoulf have a fire move, or nasty plot.

[woven hollow]

Why won’t it allow nasty plot?

[upper plume]

Because you can't have an Alolan Raichu with both Nasty Plot and Surf

You obtain Surf on Pikachu from specific events

but you have to breed Nasty Plot onto a Pichu

also

[upper plume]

!shareteams

[karmic geyser]

Pokémon Showdown's team database is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply save your team to Showdown's database and you can share your team offsite by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team, scroll to the bottom of the team, untick the checkbox to make your team public, and press the button that says Upload to Showdown database.

You can then take the link to your team and share that link to share the team with other people.

[faint talon]

Idk what alolachu is for, double speed control seems redundant
Though if you really want to use it I feel like alolaraichu-Z plus elec terrain could go crazy
Move the 4atk to something useful and go timid/modest
Go like volt switch or uturn (I think it gets that?) over electro ball, or something else if you have any ideas
Ludicolo seems questionable, you already have a brilliant grass in ferro, just do manaphy to beat special walls
Thunder wave seems pointless on ferro with a team as fast as yours, i'd rather power whip or knock (probably whip to take agren down faster)

[woven hollow]

True evil.

[woven hollow]

I can’t use aloraichu Z because I am not using thunderbolt.

[opal beacon]

Tbh standard rain teams are the best
Any other moment compromises a lot for not much being gainrd

[woven hollow]

Also psycic coverage is more useful Im able to one shot almost all things super effective against electric

[faint talon]

Oh nvm I didn't know it upgraded a specific move lol

I thought it was any elec move

[woven hollow]

Electro ball does more than enough damage anyway

Also how does shattered psyche work?

How does it’s damage work

[woven hollow]

Manaphy kinda sucks on this team because it can’t use rest because of tape fini, and even my own koko.

My team was better before

Also now if peliper dies, my team is screwed cus ludico isnt a backup

[faint talon]

Who said anything about rest just 3atk tail glow super breaker

[faint talon]

Rain teams usually rely on just Pelipper and win before it dies

[woven hollow]

What moves to run?

[faint talon]

Surf coverage 1 coverage 2 tail glow

As for what the coverage uhh figure out what your other mons can't break

[woven hollow]

👍

[high cosmos]

Hello guys! This is my first competitive team so I would really appreciate some feedback! I'm sorry if this is paradoxical with competitiveness. But I like to make my team around Alakazam since he is my favourite Pokémon. Anyways, here it is https://pokepast.es/afc3c38abca205b5

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @surreal crypt, @polar nacelle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dusk edge]

small things:
giga drain + leaf blade is redundant
nidoking is not good
hp ground on slow skarm is interesting?? but probably not worth it over another move
choice band does literally nothing for alakazam except harm you

[limber stone]

Use the samples cuz that's a choice band zam on my screen

I don't know much about adv

But if cb zam is a real set

Idk what to say

[high cosmos]

You are so right. I just checked a few minutes ago and realized it was literal attack stat and not the attack itself 😅

[high cosmos]

I was about to ask why Nidoking is not good if he learns all those moves but I just remembered how I get one shotted by every earth attack

😭

[high cosmos]

Shamefully it isn't.

[high cosmos]

I gave Skarm a ground moveset because of electric types. I will check for more moves

Roar?

[high cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/ff9604063b14d514

I made this version

[civic spade]

If you run trick it is

[civic spade]

Hp ground is really only going to be useful vs mag, so you’d prefer to outspeed or at least tie w mag

And honestly trick on Zam (assuming you must have Zam) would probably help a fair bit vs bliss/whatever the special wall is on your opps side

I’d also add grass coverage on gar or zam bc you look a little pert weak and you can’t really rely on scept, but if you do, keep leaf blade over drain. Better pp and crit chance. Sub petaya/leach is also nice. Leech will give you a way to not be a sitting duck vs bliss.

And if you end up not loving Zam long term, a mixed metagross would go nicely in its place

You could also consider a bulky slow pass Celebi over scept to try and provide maro more entry points throughout the game

I’d go focus punch over sub on Maro to hit skarms trying to roar you out for big damage

@high cosmos

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/84951c55fbfc6e32 is this just a worse version of/strictly inferior to ruffles' team

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @rich cloud, @opal beacon, @wise hatch, @frigid idol. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frigid idol]

Honestly, I really like the overall idea behind the team. Azumarill behind screens seems to be a fun addition, that can create a lot of pressure in the right situations. That said, there are a few potential weaknesses that might cause problems.

Stall teams in particular could be tough to handle, since getting past walls like Quagsire and Skarmory is a real challenge. It also doesn’t seem ideal that neither Thundurus nor Serperior have access to a paralysis move, as this limits your ability to slow down opposing sweepers. On top of that, Mega Scizor could prove to be quite annoying to face, even though you technically have the tools to overwhelm it with enough pressure.
The move changeable slot seems to be Thundurus. Maybe there is a set that could help you with the issues.

But overall solid effort. Worth to run some tests with it

[high cosmos]

How would this trick Alakazam work? I'm sorry for being so lost

[woven hollow]

Basically you give the opponent a choice scarf or something I think so they can’t use the same move

[civic spade]

So you have choice band, click trick first turn and most likely you’ll give a blissey a choice band making it significantly less effective and get lefties out of it

[woven hollow]

It’s the most evil strategy.

[civic spade]

Yeah in adv band is the only choice item but yeah that’s how it would work

[high cosmos]

This sounds evil, I like it

[high cosmos]

Thank you so much! I did those adjustments on my team and I feel a lot more confident

[civic spade]

Ofc! Let me know how the games go for you

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/dc02862e74e0eaeb one would assume this idea would be more at home on offence

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

But uh

[opal beacon]

Weavile keeps clicking knock off
Pult keeps clicking sball

Is what I think is the most evident , but I will let the ss raters take this one

[raw hornet]

https://pokepast.es/4f851235eb6526e1

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw hornet]

this is my version but someone told me there could be 2 para users and a lefties sub mag to setup on checks

so i tried making something out of his suggestion and it gave something like this https://pokepast.es/142085902a3c081c

but i'm not asking to have both teams rated more like the first one being rated (my version) and how good of an idea it is to have 2 para users and sub mag

[opal beacon]

sub mag is fine

I always like to have cm 3 attack for coverage

but many use other moves so not bad

2 para users is also fine for support for HO

[raw hornet]

Alright

[raw hornet]

Then how is this team

Like is the way i implemented sub mag and 2 para users fine or nah ?

@opal beacon

[opal beacon]

yes but both lose to unaware mons

ig if u inflict enough damage and play smartly it can done but yes

stall is gonna be really hard otherwise

kinda the problem with HO's

[raw hornet]

Well i mean is it reaaallly a problem to struggle against stall ??

Isnt't this like the only unviable archetype in sm

So bad it doesnt even have a sample

Also cant i just go zard for una clef ?

It dies to 2 flare blitz

[opal beacon]

I meant pyumyuku

[opal beacon]

I would hardly call it unviable

but with so many teams running counters

its seen less

but doesnt mean it doesnt exist

[raw hornet]

okay

okay i just asked something about una but now even if i'm against pyu stall can't i just 2hko pyu with fleur cannon???

and any other una mons

and just sweep the stall with sub mag

[opal beacon]

nah it lives

pyu stall is rare tho

so dw

[raw hornet]

136+ SpA Magearna Fleur Cannon vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Pyukumuku: 171-202 (54.4 - 64.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

i suppose it's played spd

anyway but last request how do i play this team like does the lead depends on the opposing team

if the guy might lead with agren i should instead go cress to para the gren guy or place screens

and if it's something with a mon you might see as a lead most of the time like idk tran or exca or opposing landos i lead with my own lando

[opal beacon]

yes

[opal beacon]

he gren lead usually indicates a lot of things

it would depend on their own team structure

I would suggesting

using 20-30 seconds to look at the opponents team

identify potential scarfers etc etc

say if oopoo has 1 ground type and no ferro heatran - its the rocks mon

like that u can come to a lot of conclusions

after that take it from there

against mdiancie teams u should lead serp

and continue like that

medi leads should scare u since yache lando

so be agreesive in that as well

[raw hornet]

should scare u?

was that a typo?

[opal beacon]

shouldnt

yes it was

[raw hornet]

alright

[opal beacon]

it depends on what ur priorities

say the oppo has

torn, volcarona

and some other mon weak to rocks

go set that rocks

if not play it safe with cress etc etc

u doont always have to get rocks off from your side as well - weigh the pros and cons

and ofc
ALWAYS USE THE TIMER

when you think it out , you pretty much get a good idea on game plans

suggestions to improve would be - watch replays again even if won/lost
if u won think what could have been a better play
if u lost you can think of say - what can I have done instead of this

sry I yapped a LOT

[raw hornet]

nah it's good

i am reading allat

but wdym by think it out

like wouldnt the timer actually restrain you from "thinking it out"?

[opal beacon]

20-30 seconds should be enough

it wouldnt happen on the very first time

but you will get used to it

leads are important

they may define the game

getting momentum is key so u can afford a few seconds for that

[raw hornet]

do i always lead with either lando or cress depending on the mu or is there times where i can lead something else?

ik there's lead serp against mdiancie but is that all i should know for leads?

[raw hornet]

alright so it's more of a tool against the opponent since you don't need much time to think for an HO right?

and because the opp is already getting pressured so hard by the team he might take too much time to think

[opal beacon]

well standard leads for mons in common teams are

lando - pex - diancie - koko/rotom and torn

and gren

well tbh anything can be a lead

even a zard can be a lead

X for stall and Y to just pop off from the start

[opal beacon]

yes u usually dont when using ho

[opal beacon]

also true

but its on na case basis

[raw hornet]

alright

between the 2 teams i showed (the one with submag and the original one) which one do you think is the best?

personally i think they're pretty equal but i love the idea of a para spam and a submag

and it can surprise the opp

[opal beacon]

Both are fine tbh
Can't really pick one

[limber stone]

There are soft checks to them+taking zeras only reason to exist

It's high speed

Maybe I can do colbur twave bro

But then I won't be able to fit fsight

[limber stone]

Uh

@ss raters

Lol

[plucky mortar]

https://pokepast.es/96589e0d1b083ae8

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @opal beacon, @frigid idol. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plucky mortar]

feels like the team sucks or maybe I just use it wrong

I didn't make it myself tbf though

[karmic geyser]

Hey @granite skiff, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/32d0fe0b77c8a053

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

It's 9 am but hopefully I get a rate

[opal beacon]

Shift gear mag could go crazy

I suppose heatran is the lead here and vs lop and medi u got the thund

[opal beacon]

Scarf lando could go crazy

Seeing that u don't have a stone edge switch

Opposing koko also goes crazy

[limber stone]

Lucha is the ultimate punish to scarf lando tho

[opal beacon]

Still takes a ton
And scarf lando usually have something for lucha

Also lando doesn't even need to click eq hede

Just clicks stone edge

[limber stone]

[raw hornet]

Such a bad lead imo

Feel like you never can lead with it except against like tornt

[rich cloud]

what are you aiming for?

[opal beacon]

Oh wow I totally ignored this my bad

Well it's not bad as such but no that great either

[opal beacon]

Do u got this one?

[rich cloud]

yep

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/7c5fd3e4339a2646

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mellow ingot]

https://pokepast.es/5711892a49165b7d

[karmic geyser]

Hey @mellow ingot, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen3doublesou. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[mellow ingot]

First team I made on pokemon showdown, mostly gen1 pokemon but I tried to make it somewhat balanced and usable,

[opal beacon]

taunt>toxic

u want ur heatran to trap special attackers

or special walls both

team is slow tho

[quartz remnant]

hmm

ok

[quartz remnant]

ye was thinking this

[opal beacon]

also team loses to hazards

[quartz remnant]

diancie + fog tho

[opal beacon]

diacnie is useless vs ferro

[quartz remnant]

hpfire?

[opal beacon]

ig u can outplay some turns but I am not confident

[quartz remnant]

could do like

[opal beacon]

would certainly help

[quartz remnant]

z lando

scarf keld

[opal beacon]

I like my keldeos paired with cress

I actually tried that combination out a lot

and saw it being used by skype in stour or spl I dont rememberc

cant claim it as mine now

I tried keldeo,cress and mega medi

and zam as well but medi worked a bit better

[quartz remnant]

huh

cool idea

idk if it works here

but stil

[peak ivy]

https://pokepast.es/c829eaa780822937 the general idea was using pursuit tar + magneton duo to take care of threats to skarm and rachi and enable them to safely get down spikes, weaken threats with status, and support defensively, with swampert playing a balanced role between taking the hits skarm & rachi can't and dishing out chunks of damage, ultimately leading to a flygon cleanup. initially swampert was a defensive spread but i found that the extra damage + the hp grass coverage against other swampert of an offensive spread was really helpful

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @surreal crypt, @polar nacelle, @civic spade. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[civic spade]

you looks awfully weak to some common threats like opposing pert, mie, cune. Waters in general will give you trouble especially w mag not taking hits very well

Specoff / cm pass could really do a number on your team especially considering how at risk your team is to a strong user of Dug

suit tar + mag to support rachi/skarm is also just not an optimal use of their trapping ability imo. I think I'd drop suit tar bc flygon looks fun to build around/support with cb

dealing with gar is pretty crucial however

this may just not be the right rachi for this team either

it doesn't need the mag support with the way it is constructed

[peak ivy]

that's my thought too. i frequently have wished that rachi had hp grass or really any more significant damage than what it has, and while wish sometimes can really save the game it hasn't been as often as i'd like

[civic spade]

but could run a wish cm ice psycic or something to deal w gar/mence

or even grass ice

well nah maybe grass psychic

super rachi too could skip fpunch w mag support and go psycic grass ice perhaps

[peak ivy]

i'm glad i had the right idea, thanks for the feedback 💚

[civic spade]

also yeah that pert set ain't it either, I forgot to mention you seem pretty rachi weak yourself depending on the set, but work on patching that up as well.

[peak ivy]

yeah pert is gonna change too. i'm starting by swapping hp grass for eq and then will slowly test and make changes from there

[civic spade]

switching to a dd tar can help with that, plus offer a good progress maker

[olive plaza]

Can someone tell me what I can do to make this team better.

Brohan (Charizard-Mega-X) (M) @ Charizardite X
Ability: Tough Claws
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Flare Blitz
• Dragon Claw
• Roost

Empoleon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 180 SpD
Calm Nature

• Scald
• Defog
• Toxic
• Knock Off

Captain Toad (Amoonguss) (M) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 124 HP / 208 Def / 176 SpD
Bold Nature

• Spore
• Giga Drain
• Hidden Power [Fire]
• Sludge Bomb

Regirock @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Rock Slide
• Drain Punch
• Protect

Homer (Slowbro) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SpD
Bold Nature

• Scald
• Slack Off
• Ice Beam
• Thunder Wave

Clefable (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Wish
• Protect
• Calm Mind
• Moonblast

@opal beacon Pinging because I saw your name

[faint talon]

Send as a pokepaste to ping raters

[olive plaza]

how do i do that? Just joined

[faint talon]

Bottom of the team in PS there's a button that says upload as a pokepaste

[olive plaza]

ooooh okay

thank you

https://pokepast.es/7b93cc83003bd59f

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @opal beacon, @frigid idol. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mellow ingot]

I just found out I can't play gen3doublesou in Pokemon showdown, at least it works on gen6 doubles

[granite skiff]

https://pokepast.es/7e928a81fa511278

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

If you want to play Gen 3 DOU, then I would recommend joining the Smogon Doubles Discord to find games

[karmic geyser]

Doubles OU (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Discussion thread
• Discord
• PS! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[upper plume]

In general though, I don't recommend building for tiers that don't have a ladder if you are a new player

because what you want is easy access to a ton of games

It's probably better if you try and learn how to play Gen 9 Doubles OU, as that is the Doubles OU metagame with the most active ladder

[mellow ingot]

I'll make sure try

But It's hard when I barely know the Pokedex of the new generations

[upper plume]

You can also play the OU tier of older generations

those have fairly active ladders, but they are single battles, not doubles

[faint talon]

I'm somewhat cautious of gear being the only water check since it's limited in checking gren
A better fogger than scarf lando-t could be good but I think you can manage
Seismitoad/gastrodon are issues but I think you'd have to change a lot to fit them so probably not worth

Plus they're rare

Specs gren hydro in rain kills everything but rain is broken so that's to be expected

Is mostly fine though

[rich cloud]

i'm assuming you want to build around regirock?

[olive plaza]

Charizard

I was trying to make a Mega Slowbro and Mega Gardevoir team but I find Charizard a little easier to build around

I’m not really used to battling with lvl 100 Pokemon either. Used to lvl 50 like how it is in the games

[rich cloud]

not much changes you'll adjust well

for starters i'd bin regirock and empoleon

and one of amoonguss and slowbro

likely slowbro

since you can run serperior as your grass

from there it gets really interesting

[olive plaza]

Okay! If you don’t mind is appreciate your help building a team from one of those three megas! I typically tend to build stall teams around a mega, so your help and perspective would be nice. I’ll be home shortly so I’ll ping you when I’m there if thats okay

[rich cloud]

no worries

ping me whenever

[olive plaza]

okay im ready

[opal beacon]

Not a bad attempt
But I don't see a mega

Hmh not really that great cores, what do u waana build around?

[raw hornet]

rain is tough

[raw hornet]

i would assume hoopa

[granite skiff]

yeah hoopa

[opal beacon]

Ah hoopa

Alright

[signal hare]

In ou 5g I’m trying to make a team around some of my favorite Pokémon (here the main focus would be a really original setup sweeper dragonite) do you think i could do something viable with them? (Other Pokemon i’d love to use are Kingdra, Altaria, Togekiss, chansey, Azumarill, Heracross, Gliscor, Gastrodon, Lucario, Starmie or even Metagross of course 1 or 2 other Pokemon to make it viable would be totally acceptable)

Not sure about most sets but some ideas are

A lead/supportive Espeon
Ability : Magic bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SPE

-double screens (useful to give dragonite/another sweeper seto)

• Psychic

• coverage?

• Dragonite
  Ability: Multiscale
  EVs: 4 HP / 252 ATK / 252 Spe

• Dragon Dance

• Outrage/Dragon Claw

• Ex. speed

• coverage (earthquake)

A crobat between revenge killer / support role
With U-Turn, 2 stabs and defog

It’s not supposed to be top tier just decent enough while using most Pokemon i like

[faint talon]

Unfinished teams are not allowed
Also if not top tier why use an rmt channel at all?
Setup dnite is not original
I don't think espeon is viable in bwou (actual raters feel free to correct me)
Crobat is not viable, also defog doesn't work because pre-xy's defog buff

Use a pokepaste in future, there's a button at the bottom of the builder

[limber stone]

This shit isn't gonna work

If u want to use espeon

Play gen 5 ubers

[gritty scaffold]

please use a pokepaste . and yeah use actual viable mons

[karmic geyser]

OverUsed (Gen 5)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Simple questions, simple answers
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[opal beacon]

Hi so with hoopa

u did the good thing of having momentum gaining pokemon like lando

mag and zap

because hoopa cant take hits due to its weak defensive stats and these moves can help it bring in safely

mag helps u to check fairy types like lele , fini

rh zap helps vs opposing landos with uturn and scizor so thats also good

I am not sure about the gren slot

its seem random

so maybe go with a scarf kartana in that slot

and go with rock z or fly z lando

or maybe u can keep rh lando (not needed u have rh zap)

z lando makes most sense so that and maybe replacing heatran with something offensive
def replace heatran with a mega slot

like lopunny

this would make your team a lot better

[upper plume]

As the other two said, you should have a Pokepaste of of your team idea where you give movesets, items, and Pokemon. I can't see what you are trying to accomplish otherwise. However, if it's ok if we rebuild the team here, then that is fine.

But while Espeon is suboptimal, you could experiment with a hyper offense with it

Like go with dual screens espeon with baton pass as the last move to let it switch its teammates in with screens

dragonite can probably stay, either with 3 attacks dragon dance or with a subroost dragon dance set

bulk up conk is strong at punishing tyranitar and ferrothorn, and it is very bulky on both sides with light screen support

currently though, you lack stealth rock, a reliable way to beat reuniclus, and a primary keldeo check

so the team has more building to be done

I would say to start with those three, build out the rest of the team on your own, then come back and we can rate what you have

[raw hornet]

i mean if half of the team has unviable pokemons wouldn't it be better to just tell him to use a sample?

[upper plume]

yeah but I can't tell which one is supposed to be the actual team

one is part of a paste which only has espeon and dragonite

and the other are sixes with unviable Pokemon

[limber stone]

Take the second team

Keep dragonite Scizor and breloom

Replace others with garchomp volcarona and starmie

[upper plume]

idt breloom is that useful here

oh you're telling em to use smurf

[rich cloud]

yo sorry i forgot about this

which mega do you want us to build around?

you said one of charizard slowbro and gardevoir

[granite skiff]

something like this? https://pokepast.es/cd839a2b63be66b3

[opal beacon]

Don't really need zen on hoopa as hyper space already does a lot, can do drain punch instead for ttar

But zen is also fine

And yes, this looks much better

[wild fable]

https://pokepast.es/603cf1828775170d
(Gen 7 OU)
Sorry in advance for such a long message 😭

I've been trying to get Banded Victini in Sun to work for a while now and I want a bit of feedback to know if I should just give up or not lmao.

I'm almost certain there's a way to get this to work, the obscene power and usefulness of a wallbreaker that doesn't rely on prediction almost at all just seems so good and in theory gives so much room in teambuilding, literally the only wall you have to account for with is Heatran and the rest of your resources can be put into whatever else as long as you can ensure Victini gets in safely.

The problem though is obvious: Being forced to run Zard Y & Victini makes double hazard removal nearly required, and not only that but you can't even run rocks yourself. Lacking rocks hasn't proved itself to be as impactful as I thought it would be actually, it's mostly just that I'm forced to run 2 defensive hazard clearing mons just to make sure I get to actually use the mons I'm building the team around.

Another much less expected problem is just how god damn useless Zard Y is on this team. Without sun, banded Victini loses pretty much all it's upsides, but banded Victini and Zard Y share nearly the exact same roles. I often find Zard Y to be dead weight, and despite trying many team comps with this pairing I find I'm always lacking either a revenge killer or a mon to close the game with.

I've found Fini & Gliscor to be the best defensive pairings so far, but if ya'll think other defensive/defogger mons would be better let me know. As for the last two, I've tried so many combinations and I'm always lacking in one of three areas: pivoting, revenge killing, or sweeping.

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[granite skiff]

thanks

[limber stone]

Whats with randomly slapping gliscor on teams it's doesn't fit on

[opal beacon]

Sun teams rarely move away from the known structures

So what u can do is
Remove gliscor for
Lando - scarf and add a heatran with rocks - yes sun does rocks
And add a serp in there and there u go

Can make the heatran z in this scenario
But u can run z victni as well

[opal beacon]

Prolly don't know where it fits

[opal beacon]

Also u should always post only complete teams in here

Other times if the paste doesn't have 6 pokemon u can ask for help in #comp-general or #comp-general-2

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/4c511a7301c1eee5
freshly cooked, maybe flame tran for the less than great weav and kart mu's

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

maybe zap somewhere here?

idk

https://pokepast.es/44ee243a554d4ded perhaps

[tender coral]

flame body Heatran feels pretty good here

[raw hornet]

https://pokepast.es/5cfb55bbc2110f1e
the zone set is a special set to counter rain rest manaphy with 87.5% chance to ohko it with thunder and tanking anything it can throw at you with sash
i highly doubt the viability of it since i'm not a top 1 builder but on paper it doesn't look so bad and you can still do some big damage to teela without taking too much. You can't kill offensive tran after rocks anymore but like i said below i still have a spd shell pex and a latios so it should be fine
the mage set is physical for stuff like mmawile and has a bit of spd for modest specs lele
imo the speed on drill wasn't that important since i have a shell pex and a latios for heatran

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[winged crystal]

https://pokepast.es/22819d5576397e90 Can someone tell me how good my team is for single battles, and what changes I should make to the moves, items, or Pokémon? Thanks.

[upper plume]

what tier is this for? you have some Uber Pokemon and some OU Pokemon, and no OU format allows Solgaleo or Kyogre.

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/078edc1e2cd0da2a is this just strictly inferior to the sample using a similar concept

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

and yes its soft into weavile asw

physdef tran will solve that but then volcarona looks difficult

[winged crystal]

I did it so I could play with my friends and so on.

[subtle sable]

https://pokepast.es/b54a965c54603d8a

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @upper plume, @gritty scaffold, @worldly walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

Make dragonite dd, starmie air balloon magnezone a latios

And change jirachis set to the the 3a rocks one

[subtle sable]

Change Magnezone to Latios?

[limber stone]

Ye

[subtle sable]

Which set do I use?

[limber stone]

Specs probably

[limber stone]

Make starmie analytic

[gritty scaffold]

No specs mie as a solo spinner is bad

Hes not even a rater

[raw hornet]

yeah tell em leoperi

[gritty scaffold]

I wouldnt recommend loading dragmag because its quite bad on current meta but if u rly want to . Its prorb better make dnite dd 3 atks. And give starmie a balloon and use analytic over its currenet ability , put rocks on rachi over wish and run thunder over.bslam

[limber stone]

dude

i said specs latios

i suggested balloon mie above

[gritty scaffold]

Ah mb

Idt is good to drop mag though

The team struggles into ferro so much without iti

[limber stone]

trick latios

[gritty scaffold]

Ttar also checks latios

Relying on trick is pretty hard

[limber stone]

u wouldnt hard ttar on latios without knowing what it is

[gritty scaffold]

Atp better run standard ho like smurf

[gritty scaffold]

Why not

[limber stone]

fire punch dnite also helps

[limber stone]

might get 2hkoed by specs surf/die to crit draco from specs

[gritty scaffold]

Yeah in someway it does

[gritty scaffold]

Thats for any mon though trying to tank draco

[karmic geyser]

OverUsed (Gen 5)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Simple questions, simple answers
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[gritty scaffold]

@subtle sable Id recommend using samples that team ur using is quite hard to pilot theres some cool hos u can try aswell

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/88bb2986fe1b950c theres a weavile issue here which idk how to solve

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tropic schooner]

shifu over rilla and flame body tran should probably be okay

[limber stone]

wont that make the rain mu basically impossible tho

[tropic schooner]

no bulk rilla doesnt really help either

[limber stone]

it cleans up rain teams after being battered by the rest of the team

[tropic schooner]

252+ Atk Choice Band Barraskewda Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom in Rain: 179-211 (52.4 - 61.8%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

[raw hornet]

https://pokepast.es/4d0bede8d95d53b5

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw hornet]

what do you ugys think?