Old Gens OU

[static yacht]

The whole forre breloom thing 1000% needs pursuit support

So most of the time it'll be ttar

Maybe houndoom if you're dead set on not bringing sand

Honestly sounds like a fun idea considering you have dug and bold cune already

All you need is a rain dance mon and you have a good team to terrorize ladder with

[silent edge]

This or the forretress + breloom.

[static yacht]

This build has the issue of not really being able to deal damage

The celebi claydol structure you have going on is classic but that kind of team usually runs milotic in the suicune slot

[silent edge]

Actually going back to this since we need a bulky rock resist that can take on aerodactyl, swampert also learns rain dance could that work?

[static yacht]

I wouldn't recommend it

Rain dance pert doesn't really exist

Yes it threatens ttar but it really wants other moves

It also gets switched into by the top 3 sand haters to varying degrees (celebi, suicune, snorlax)

[silent edge]

Why does everything get rain dance

[static yacht]

my question is

what do you want the team to do

it feels like part milodol part tss part dugcune and doesn't seem very good at any of those styles' strengths

[silent edge]

Initially I was just looking for something to use suicune with, i knew celebi would go well with it, dugtrio helps get rid of blissey to make suicune's job easier, without Ttar gengar becomes a problem so I chose pursuit Ttar, it was mostly the last two mons I struggled wkth

[static yacht]

Cm rest suicune does not need blissey removed

It sets up on blissey

That's part of its appeal

What it needs removed is ttar

More specifically sand

Bold cune in sand falls over in about three seconds

Bold cune with no sand is immortal

[silent edge]

Right, which I assume also means Ttar isnt a very good partner for it.

[static yacht]

I highly recommend lead zapdos alongside it

It baits ttar into staying in and attacking turn 1 so dug can kill it

It also kills vaporeon whenever you face that

[static yacht]

Honestly having a ttar is never a bad thing

Sometimes you appreciate sand checking things like celebi and bulky zapdos before suicune is ready to roll

I suggest bkctar (aka bulky physical ttar)

Scares out stuff like zapdos and celebi

Can chunk opposing ttar in a pinch like zapdos can

Another cool option on this kind of team is tpunch hpgrass metagross (with eq and explosion last)

You hit most metagross switchins (namely skarm and pert) with tpunch and hpgrass

Bait in zapdos and celebi

Blow em up

Suicune goes crazy

It's a little less reliable into stuff like sub zapdos and offensive teams packing both zap and bi

But you still have ttar and dug as backups

[silent edge]

Ttar, zap, dug, suicune, are we still using breloom?

[static yacht]

I wouldn't tbh

[silent edge]

Actually what would breloom really bring to the team (thought of that after asking the question, mb)

[static yacht]

Zapdos breloom is a tried and true combo but it's more for use on dedicated offense teams

The zapdos tyranitar metagross swampert snorlax salamence type stuff

[static yacht]

It beats basically every zapdos switchin that isn't celebi

Spore is broken

Nominal edgequake resist

[silent edge]

Cuz I did hear that breloom is used on some balance tesms though its not common

[static yacht]

It's definitely not common

Adv loom is basically the definition of glass cannon

If you're going the breloom route I'd say use a pursuit ttar alongside it

Then fill the team in with stuff like snorlax

Give or take the dugtrio

Zap loom lax ttar +2 sounds quite fun

[silent edge]

Mixed metagross with t punch > psychic, eq > mash, and hp grass > fire with explosion

Zap, dug, ttar, forretress, metsgross, suicune

[static yacht]

It could work

I don't know I just think defensive suicune is really flawed

Both bold roar and modest crocune

It's better than something like curse rest lax in the sense that it's not slow as molasses and doesn't require magneton

But it still needs a lot of support

Without spin or weather clearing it doesn't have enough longevity to be a wall and doesn't have enough firepower to be a threat

[uncut warren]

Forgot but thx for your time and feedback @static yacht

[silent edge]

This is the rain https://pokepast.es/f8d30be767059448

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw hornet]

https://pokepast.es/2b07d27b7df962ba how is this ? smou

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw hornet]

the spread on torna is to guarantee a kill with z move against +1 volc

[mighty glacier]

I would go knock off gliscor

Over ice fang

U got a whole weavile

Acctually

I would go zapdos over torn t

Static pairs well with heracross since it's slow

I would then go seismitoed and magearna

Seis over glisc btw

Then I'd swap weavile for

Hmm

[raw hornet]

why toad

[tall wedge]

https://pokepast.es/afccd5c8dd21608a @upper plume how are we looking?

[upper plume]

Mamo as a catch-all to Dragons is pretty neat

though you are noticeably weak to Weavile's Dark moves

[tall wedge]

Just get the burn

Could make Mamo scarf but I do think this team Appreciates band a lot too

Mew fucks up Lati + Clef which the team would hate otherwise

[upper plume]

Yeah Tox Mew is a solid way to patch up the CM Lati issue

that and the Ice Shard mamo

I think Suicune could be a problem

[tall wedge]

Lati should beat Suicune

Well-played at least

Worst case I could probably Cune trade

Because this Cune speedcreeps other Cune

Could also make Gliscor 287

[mighty glacier]

@raw hornet

https://pokepast.es/dda02d9c14aee9c0

I forgot to send this

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mighty glacier]

Oh wait

Defog over hp ice on zapdos

[raw hornet]

I mean

Blace is kind of a HO mon

And hera wants sd

Also bullet seed is used with bulu

[mighty glacier]

Shi u right

Idk about sub sd hera

That's the only thing

[rugged fossil]

Not good

Kart being your only water resist

Mega hera doesent have enough support

No fire resist

The structure itself is weird

And u also become threat to mons like mmedi , volc , zard X

And loose mu such as sand , sun and rain

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/14cd53ea28fd39a7

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz remnant]

use this

[raw hornet]

All out attacker hera seems weird

I guess i'll try it

Thanks guys

[raw hornet]

Do you agree on this one team @rugged fossil ?

[raw hornet]

Btw full speed isnt needed on torna

[raw hornet]

Also what is the rotom, jirachi and chomp spread for ?

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/5c07038eba998a1a

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz remnant]

Was considering a alo-muk over the gastro

but this gives better mu vs rain

will ferro be problematic

[raw hornet]

Why the cofagrigus

Are you like building around him ?

[quartz remnant]

wynaut

[quartz remnant]

just wanna try yeah

[quartz remnant]

it is i believe

[quartz remnant]

could change bullet seed for sd

[raw hornet]

361 speed is needed not 375

[quartz remnant]

?

[raw hornet]

375 is really not useful

[quartz remnant]

helps for torn speed ties

[raw hornet]

I mean

[quartz remnant]

you could change

idm

[raw hornet]

It's almost better to play last against opp tornadus so you have a free uturn

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/5c07038eba998a1a

[raw hornet]

Zard x destroys your ass

[opal beacon]

It destroys fat in general

[opal beacon]

Cofag was run in gen 6 bcoz tspikes and spin block
In gen 7 pex does a better job with tspikes as it absorbs it as well and defog exists it

Trying to build around cofag is a good try imo but won't work out

[quartz remnant]

lol you figured out why i was running cofag

yes i really like it in gen 6 so i wanted to build it

[quartz remnant]

damn. i mean it still has its defensive profile this gen so i thought why not

[opal beacon]

Sand is very strong
Not to mention z moves
So it would cripple

Wisp damage in gen 6 is more then gen 7

as a competitive helper in this channel I will say no
As a friend I would say go crazy with the building process but don't expect much results

[quartz remnant]

okay

ill have to change this up entirely

thanks for helping out though

[opal beacon]

Np

[raw hornet]

Hey alpha do you know a good underrated set/pokemon in sm ?

That we like dont see much or/and have a useful niche

[quartz remnant]

remind the streets about sd pinsir/nidoking

nido is barely used even though its b tier

[raw hornet]

Nido isnt even in the vrankings

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/c421dee8e419bc3d

[quartz remnant]

b tier

[quartz remnant]

hows ths

defensive pex not spdef*

[opal beacon]

There are many

Lots of mons have a certain niche

I believe alolan raichu is good
Lacks in defense
Strong and could always claim

[raw hornet]

I may be blind but i dont see shit

[opal beacon]

True
Lots of psyshock types
Ground types and water types

Not to mention perma walled by chansey

It's not here

[opal beacon]

Scizor being slept on
One of the best mons

[raw hornet]

Nido can use superpower

[raw hornet]

Funny talent

Strong would be kinda exxagerated

95 isnt that strong

[opal beacon]

Would kill

• attack drop
  Not even a 2ohko

This is more of a question for #comp-general

[opal beacon]

Nasty plot
Wide move pool with grass knot and stuff
Z move is amazing
Anyways let's move on to #comp-general

[quartz remnant]

its in the tier list

not image

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/c421dee8e419bc3d

[mighty glacier]

That's very similar to the empo team fdmw spams

Guessing u took inspiration from that

I'd just go gliscor over jirachi

Then prob firium Z clef

For the surprise ohko on ferros

And u can't miss with that either

[rugged fossil]

And then u loose to lele

✅

[quartz remnant]

what he said 😭

[rugged fossil]

And without gliscor u don’t have a ground type

[quartz remnant]

gliscor for clef?

or for chansey

[quartz remnant]

not really

[rugged fossil]

Now u don’t have

A medi answer

And proceed to get smashed 6-0

And also

No wincons

[quartz remnant]

yeah

fair enough

[mighty glacier]

Clef for cresellia

Easy peasy

[hollow relic]

Hey guys!

[raw hornet]

He could use sd gliscor

Also isnt skarmory + chansey enough to check lele ?

[raw hornet]

Or cm latias

[tribal smelt]

I'm not a SM rater but that is not at all how that interaction works

Psychic in Terrain flat out 2 shots Skarm unless you run spdef, and if you run spdef you end up with a bad skarm in pixies (gens 6-8)

[raw hornet]

i mean if you know it has psychic just go on chansey and if it has psyshock then go skar

with another mon with tect or smthin

[rugged fossil]

No

Spoon lele 2hkos chantey with psyshock

Hp fire or focus does massive chip

To skarm

While the only thing skarm can do is whirlwind

[uncut warren]

It depends a lot on what the Lele is

A lot of Lele's are Scarf/Specs then ofc it checks

[raw hornet]

fair enough

i dont see much spoon lele but eh im at 1400 elo so maybe that's why

[raw hornet]

what do you guys think ?https://pokepast.es/bd21b6e973b36d77

[karmic geyser]

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[quartz remnant]

i like the idea in theory but i just dont fw eq lati

[rugged fossil]

Buddy

ATM the most common lele are spoon or Z

Sure u can see specs and scarf

But their usage is lower compared to spoon and Z

[peak canyon]

Yooo guys I'm new here ^^

Is someone good at Gen 5 OU??

Please help me make a team on a pretty specific Theme ;A;

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/f56ef9c6d7f91318

[karmic geyser]

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[peak canyon]

Gen 5 OU team XD rate it please

It's actually NU* which I'm testing on Pokemon Showdown for PokeMMO PvP which works pretty well for the time being

Especially with those pesky Keldeo and Latios too XD

[tribal smelt]

This is sadly completely non-RMTable

[peak canyon]

Uhmm..?? What's that T_T

I'm sorry I don't get technical terms lol my bad

[tribal smelt]

Rate My Team-Able
We don't rate for PokeMMO

As its not a recognized Smogon format

[peak canyon]

It's from Pokemon Showdown

Atleast judge it on that hehe...

[tribal smelt]

As for the team itself going by Smogons ruleset you're using multiple low tiers in BW OU
This team is not competitively viable in the tier you chose to test in

[peak canyon]

I'm sorry for that.... Ignore the mmo stuff

[peak canyon]

Yeah you're right... Btw wanna have a match with me?? I wanna know more bout it T_T

[tribal smelt]

We don't ask for friendlies in here but I understand why you'd ask for it as a beginner
I'd urge you to watch replays from tournaments and use samples when starting out
Going by my experience this team;
Loses to sand
Loses to spikes
Loses to rocks
Has no consistent switch ins to the litany of physical and special breakers in the tier

[peak canyon]

It's also hard to think what to start with lol T_T

[tribal smelt]

This is entirely fine

You're new and went with what you thought was good

Being wrong is part of the process in learning

As for sample teams

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-ou-samples-thread.3686880/

You can use these as test drives

They're a good representation of viable strategies and team styles within the tier you're focusing on

As for tournament replays it will always depend on who you're asking

Right now there's an ongoing circuit tournament with readily available replays

From people who have focused on BW for the better part of a year accumulating points to be able to qualify

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-ou-2024-circuit-championship-semifinals.3755576/

[peak canyon]

Woah... These all things kinda Overwhelming for the starters ;A;

I love PvP stuffs and wanted to try all new things and experiments too XD

[peak canyon]

Soo... Before getting into it... What are replays ;-;

Are they the recordings of the previous matches of the Tournament??

[tribal smelt]

Yes

[peak canyon]

Well I'll tryna see them!!

But before that can you help me make an actual Gen 5 team T_T ❤️

But with a twist

It'll be a PP Stalling

[tribal smelt]

If I where entirely new to the tier you really can't go wrong with the standard

PP stalling is not something I advise to beginners

https://pokepast.es/250edefbcef2a66a

[peak canyon]

Ik lol... But I've played quite a bit randoms and I'm familiar with most of the types, moves, abilities, physical/special split... And items

[tribal smelt]

Thats fine but that dosent speak of knowing why X Y or Z is good in the given tier

[peak canyon]

I think of investing in buffed Pressure mons
Kinda like Suicune

[tribal smelt]

Suicune is not viable in OU tmk

Good in UU though

[peak canyon]

Oww... T_T guess I'm still half baked in Tiers lmao

[tribal smelt]

Its fine

[peak canyon]

Needed Fast Screen Setter...
Hazard setter + Removal
Pressure mons for that strat to work T_T

I've tried using Espeon for the screens with magic bounce but it's also lower tiers and gets crushed with brute force

[tribal smelt]

Yep

[peak canyon]

And Froslass which absolutely dies to sand

[tribal smelt]

BW OU is the tier where bad mons are especially bad as the top tiers are all extremely good

Once you recognize why things are the way they are it begins to make more sense

[peak canyon]

I could already seen the difference after playing 50 matches T_T 💔

I can't play other tiers in BW?? I'm more interested in the lower tiers lol

I've been using lower tiers in higher ones cuz I couldn't enjoy the UU matchmakings

Nobody even try it lol

[tribal smelt]

They only really show up in ruins of alph rotation ladders

Which makes learning low tiers of old gens difficult

[peak canyon]

What's that O_o

[tribal smelt]

Every month there's a new low tier

Gen 5 UU, gen 4 PU what have you

[peak canyon]

What's the one for this month??

[tribal smelt]

That can be laddered

I have no clue, I'll go check

[peak canyon]

The problem is my absolute favourite Froslass is UUBL...
And I've heard it for the first time lol TF is that??

[tribal smelt]

Gen 5 Ubers
Gen 3 ZU
Gen 6 RU

[peak canyon]

Gotta wait for my tier T_T

[tribal smelt]

I think Froslass was an oppressive spiker in UU

I found the old suspect test thread for it

[peak canyon]

Sooo... Where to even use it lol?!

That makes sense cuz of her fast Spikes and Best Suicide lead XD

[tribal smelt]

She isnt viable in OU

In Ubers I doubt she is useful either

[peak canyon]

She is even Banned from UU

She doesn't have any place to gooo ><

[tribal smelt]

Some mons are just too good for a tier unviable in the tier theyre legal

Happens

[peak canyon]

Maybe I'll try getting into newer Gens than ;A; some rules are too complicated for me lol

[tribal smelt]

Thats fine yh

[peak canyon]

[dapper granite]

How's this for a Gen 1 OU team?
https://pokepast.es/da6334f305a05443

[cinder plinth]

Huh… no Chansey…

[dapper granite]

I couldn't find a good place to slot it in.

[raw hornet]

https://pokepast.es/0ccd79c45a508724 rmt

[karmic geyser]

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[mighty glacier]

get a ground type

[raw hornet]

Over who ?

[mighty glacier]

clef maybe

[raw hornet]

Gliscor ?

So i can still have a status aborber for buzz

[devout kestrel]

https://pokepast.es/90873057abbda2d2
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JnDv9Fa_WkilfQHtJl7MorivHoNgAVzuoLNbTy4jz20/edit?usp=sharing
Gen 4 OU Electrode Offense
I need a 6th member thats fits better than Gengar. Just wondering thoughts on this. Also Electrode isn't useless. Explanations on the docs
The goal is 1400 in OU

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[candid prairie]

u generally wanna avoid choiced mons on smth like this

you lock into draco with lati then how do u beat an opposing lucario that sets up for free

[devout kestrel]

so life orb?

[candid prairie]

smth like that yeah

[quartz remnant]

i love old gens only for the weird sets

6 way ev is crazy

[devout kestrel]

lol it kinda just happened yk

i def think electrode should get a VR ranking and a smogon write up

fixed the team 1 last time, i think the team is as good as it could be

[devout kestrel]

technically it can exist in more recent gens. you just need a good mixed attacker. 5 ways are def doable, its just that natures get in the way

[opal beacon]

if runnin eq

then latios>latias

[raw hornet]

are you sure ?

i mean eq is basically only for heatran

and the spread kills him anywa ysooo

[opal beacon]

ye latios run heatran

latias prefers cm

or psyshic

tbh I dont like the 6

[raw hornet]

i changed clef for sd gliscor

btw

also why?

@opal beacon ?

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/e312d618278c8123

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

Buzzwole stall sounds bad

[opal beacon]

Looks good

[quartz remnant]

fire, thanks

[opal beacon]

Kyurem could go crazy bcoz ofc it does extremely well vs bulky teams so play accordingly

Also rain could go crazy

so u need to use fini - for Ferro and stuff properly

But otherwise it's pretty good

[quartz remnant]

use fini?

or bro

[quartz remnant]

kyurem is a bitch for sure, i think i will stall out fusion bolts with bro and twave with chansey

i also went twave for scald on bro to make lele and xard more threatening, thoughts?

[opal beacon]

Sry I meant lele

[opal beacon]

I think u need scald

[quartz remnant]

okay

i wanted to run twave, since it would make it kind of a para spam team

and lele + xard would enjoy having their checks slowed down

also, should lele be specced up or this set

[cold nimbus]

Not 100% sure what to put for #6, but it's fun to use:
https://pokepast.es/e6319330dd41f947

[opal beacon]

Hi only post complete teams in rrmt

[opal beacon]

Hmmh?

[opal beacon]

Also post in nat dex rates thread instead of old gens ou

[quartz remnant]

specs lele or cm

[opal beacon]

Nah stick with this one

[quartz remnant]

kk, thanks a lot

[cold nimbus]

Sorry! I completely misread the title, my bad

[cold nimbus]

ok thx!

[opal beacon]

No worries happens to the best of us

[opal beacon]

Np 😄

[young island]

https://pokepast.es/a8cdfbc0c06b08eb

sm ou

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[young island]

specs lele stuff, not much to say about it lol

[raw hornet]

you don't have a good switch in to mmedicham

sd zard x is kinda annoying too

if it manages to setup

but greninja could take care of it with the z

also what the sigma you dont have a mega

tbh you could probably get defog on kart and remove rotom w for a mega or smthin like that

a team should always be able to fit a mega

[young island]

Lmao true

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/f6803fe35a135eb5
🤔

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/7986628f1bf24df6

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[zenith roost]

Needs a bit of help. I run a Gen 4
Quagsire Zapdos Infernape Foretress Honchkrow and Alakazam team. I know it’s not the greatest thing, (I don’t even know if it’s good), but I am just kinda starting out. Lemme know what changes I can make.
I can think of one change off the top of my head, the crows gotta go I think. But I just gotta pinpoint what to take its place

I have been wanting to try machamp in the place of infernape, I mean it can do many of the same things

[upper plume]

Quagsire fits on more stallish teams, but Infernape and Alakazam are both frail offensive Pokemon

they don't work together; you should pick a direction to go towards

[zenith roost]

Alright I might lean into Infernape/Machamp, depends what Im feeling. Pivot Alakazam into a backup team for later, in its place a Metagross? Maybe not for the reason of it being another steel type, I want a good Psychic type. Maybe Cres actually

Bulk is the direction Im leaning in

Could also flex out Quag and in its place Gyarados

Means a lot of electrical weakness though, so Crow’s still gotta go

Might go Houndoom, solidifying a Machamp over my Infernape

[zenith roost]

constructed something, a little assistance in what else I could tweak?

hm. seems I forgot to set my Hidden Power types for the actual pokemon, they all appear set to "dark"

[cinder plinth]

Huh… gotta check houndoom on the VR

[zenith roost]

i see he's UU

[hard meteor]

https://pokepast.es/20caa595a6b39ef6

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

!pokepaste

[karmic geyser]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

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[upper plume]

just so that raters can take a look at your team

[zenith roost]

https://pokepast.es/0e9eadb5d364d240

[upper plume]

You aren't really providing adequate support to your Suicune or Zapdos here

SubCune hates passive damage and needs teammates that can mitigate them

Zapdos hates Stealth Rock and requires a teammate that can remove them

In addition, Toxic Orb Breloom is not a good lead, as it loses to a majority of leads

I also argue that you are shaky into many threats that can become faster than your Pokemon: Infernape and Gyarados jump out to me

And Mixgon

[upper plume]

You don't really need to lead Gyara if you have Specs Zapdos imo

Forretress's set makes it poor at spinning (which Gyara and Dos depend on), and it's not a good spinner for offensive Pokemon like these two

A better spinner would be Starmie, which is threatening in its own right and can overwhelm the checks it shares with Gyara (Latias, for example)

I'm not entirely sure why you've chosen Houndoom on this team, as it really doesn't offer you much over other fire and dark types

The only thing I could think of is Pursuit, but you're not even using that

I'd personally use a Lefties Heatran here, as it would provide a Jirachi check and a Stealth Rock setter

Though that would give you questions against Starmie

[zenith roost]

ooh I haven't ever tried a heatran before

matter of fact

I never caught one

[upper plume]

Specs Roost Zapdos doesn't make much sense to me to be honest

[zenith roost]

ffffair

[upper plume]

Which Pokemon of these would you say you built the team around?

[zenith roost]

that

I do not know

I think forretress

[upper plume]

Ok

Forretress is a tanky, passive Pokemon that isn't exactly the best support for offensive teammates

I think you should try and go in a bulkier direction to make it work

[zenith roost]

thinking to keep the Zapdos (with a new move in roosts place), Gyara, and Forretress

[upper plume]

You don't really see Gyara and Forre used together

[zenith roost]

okay so then uh, think I could try Starmie but that re-introduces some elec and grass weakness

[upper plume]

Ok I will clarify this with

There are old stall teams with RestTalk Gyara and Forre

But they don't really use Zapdos

And they are sorta outclassed by Clefable stalls nowadays

[mighty glacier]

6-0d by stall just delete the team and restart

[quartz remnant]

theres a pinsir

mega pinsir

[mighty glacier]

I meant to reply to the other one lol

[mighty glacier]

In that one I think I'd go fire blast volcarona

[raw hornet]

if you're playing swarm roost volcarona dont use life orb

go with the sub set

and lefties

you're kinda done against a medi too

pinsir should be good enough but it cant come on a zen

[mighty glacier]

Alot of these ho struggle against medi anyway just gotta play around it

[raw hornet]

https://pokepast.es/c8cc06976aa1bc84 rmt

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[raw hornet]

prolly gonna put everything in speed for aero so i can have a chance to win the tie against mzam

incase i need it

maybe gonna interchange zone and kart (z kart and scarf zone)

[obtuse prairie]

maero is interesting

team might struggle breaking bulkier teams, pex also seems like a great annoyance

[raw hornet]

what about sd kart and scarf zone?

instead of sub zone and scarf kart

ill be slower but pex and bulky stuff should be less of a problem

[obtuse prairie]

would help

[raw hornet]

for the aero do i just go max speed incase i find myself in an 1v1 against mzam?

[obtuse prairie]

does the hp do anything

[raw hornet]

not really

i just removed a bit from speed

enough to still outspeed +1 nite

[obtuse prairie]

yea no pt in not going max spe

[raw hornet]

alroght

alright

btw

the ferro is shown with only 116 spd evs but it's wrong it should be 232

and sassy nature

[obtuse prairie]

what do you imagine maero doing here exactly

[raw hornet]

killing fire types

and checking most of them

also outspeeding basically the entire metagame so if ash gren is a bit weakened aero can just outspeed/tank shuriken and kill him

i wouldve been able to rk lopunny if i had aerial ace but it's a p bad attack

and idk what i could even remove for it

if she's weakened however i can still 2HKO her with eq and tank her hjk

aero kinda lacks power so without rocks/spikes it kinda struggles to kill stuff

i can also kill zapdos with aero so i could even remove the z normal on kart for smthin else

like idk z steelium

he also checks and kills stuff like volcarona gliscor

zard y

[obtuse prairie]

makes sense

have any specific problems while using the team?

[raw hornet]

i didnt try it yet but ferro seem like he have to check so many things at once

i'll try it and tell you

just did a fight superpower tapu bulu is kinda ehhh https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-2268850829-ifvv9i9oem09fimarqnx8i3zlb1da7mpw

should be fine with kart but still

[obtuse prairie]

oh yea it kind of loses to bulu

[raw hornet]

aero is the one that takes the least against bulu but it's still a 2HKO

oh wait there's gliscor too

but gliscor dont do shit anyway so

[obtuse prairie]

gliscor wont help yea

[raw hornet]

poison jab gliscor 😈

[obtuse prairie]

it would come down to trading with bulu for kart to revenge

[raw hornet]

yeah

[obtuse prairie]

but i dont think neutral ss kills

[raw hornet]

wdym neutral ss?

btw i have smart strike + steelium z on my kart incase

so i definitely kill him

[obtuse prairie]

right

[raw hornet]

i dont ohko him

though

the z move kills

but not smart

however he cant kill me with 1 superpower if he's not boosted

and if he tries to boost himself well steelium z

band is even worst basically kills my entire team with 1 wood hammer

[slim glacier]

https://pokepast.es/bb75afe31556722e would scarf chomp be a better choice here? what’s the set

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[inner mist]

You can but I don’t think it’s necessary

If you really want more speed control you can’t do worse than making Latios your Scarfer

[upper plume]

There are some other optimizations I would make

I don't really think your Magnezone set works

They like running Sunny Day to ward off rain

And if you want to run Air Balloon, then you should run Icy Wind Jirachi to trap Drill

[inner mist]

Yeah

Also your damage output against Ferro is a lot worse with uncontested rain, since you have Starmie as a spinner you can’t afford to have too many hazards up

I also realized that without Sunny Day Zone, Agility Thundy just bulldozes this team with one Agility boost

Sunny Day Zone and Scarf Latios are probably my biggest changes

[gritty scaffold]

i would probably use lum berry garchomp here btw . yache feels kinda niche outside of starmie/mamoswine , i would remove gyarados for dnite bc gyara is pretty bad on bw

and yea icy wind jirachi and sunny day zone is nice as mentioned previously

could even run shuca berry jira just to guarantee you dont die to eq

im personally not a fan of scarf latios on spikeless structures . but if you wanna use a scarfer on ho id maybe use latias because atleast has hwish so has more utility besides being fast

[mint elm]

SS Standard - Double Ghost Off https://pokepast.es/e6a77334f3025462

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[orchid tiger]

Do rocks ferro > ttar, defog spdef lando > Corv

[tender coral]

replace Buzzwole with AV Torn and Corv for Drill

[tender coral]

rocks Heatran is probably better here

[orchid tiger]

i knew there was a rocker in the top of my head i didnt remember

[tender coral]

best steel and potentially mon in the metagame

[maiden quiver]

https://pokepast.es/8df45cd3dc55121f

Gen 3

[upper plume]

Is this ADV OU? ADV doesn't have Tera types, many of the moves you've chosen (SR, Boomburst, U-turn, etc.) and you don't have EVs for these mons

[maiden quiver]

Ou

Dw abt ivs and evs

[quartz remnant]

😭

[maiden quiver]

So?

[tall wedge]

This is for old gens

Tbolt is saying moves you have on some of your mons aren’t available in Gen 3

[upper plume]

Idk what I can rate here, because the Pokemon have moves that don't exist in Gen 3 so this isn't ADV OU

I will say you've chosen a bunch of weak Pokemon (and Exploud is banned in ADV)

so you'll probably have to choose an OU-viable Pokemon to build around

[pearl plaza]

Gen 7 OU https://pokepast.es/449ce0a77ffb2f5d

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[quartz remnant]

sash is wrong

roost on yard

thundy isnt that great

maybe ttar for hippo

[pearl plaza]

what should i use

[quartz remnant]

lefties/z

[pearl plaza]

yeah so weird thing is, im using these teams on a minecraft server so we dont rlly got Z moves yet lol

[pearl plaza]

what to replace with?

my start there was para flinch using thundurus

[prime flume]

I started playing gen 6 OU and ended up loving it :3333, so I ended up making my own team :3
How can I improve it?
https://pokepast.es/f17a1e4422dd19cb

[karmic geyser]

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[ruby thorn]

hey sorry i know this is a bit late BUT, im a fan of the idea you have here with gyarados dragmag

first change i would make is if you are going to use iron head on jirachi i would make it faster than at least adamant mamoswine

another option you could try is energy ball since this can act as a rotom and ground water (gastro, seis) lure for your gyarados

i would also advice either committing fully to an offensive gyarados or using bulky sub

i would probably just drop sub for another move like bounce and give it a lum berry since this team wants to be more threatening and you have a latios to take care of keldeo and other bulky scald users and you have magenzone to trap excadrill so you dont need the lefties as much

another thing you could try is running sr on garchomp and then using scarf jirachi with healing with as a fast revenge killer that would also synergise well with gyarados and magnezone too since the main guys that want to come in on scarf jirachi are lando, ferro and excadrill

and i would probably change the magnezone set to either hp fire tbolt sunny day magnet rise or maybe drop sunny day for something like metal sound if you really dont want to ruin the water type stab of gyarados

also as it is you're pretty vunerable to a dragonite setting up and sweeping so i'd heavily advice the scarf jirachi options

but feel free to test out the other stuff too

also specs latios should really only use psyshock, dragon pulse or thunder as the filler move on dragmag

tbolt doesn't hit hard enough in most scenarios

[upper plume]

Yeah this was what I was about to say about this

Gyara on DragMag isn't inherently a bad idea idt

but you do need a way to really threaten rotom because Gyara and Magnezone don't do that

[woven citrus]

I don't know how to show my team so I'll just export from showdown
the team was made for fun by using the same pokemon as my first champion team on pokemon shield
Vileplume @ Focus Sash
Ability: Effect Spore
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Sleep Powder
• Sludge Bomb
• Energy Ball
• Strength Sap

Dracovish @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Strong Jaw
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Fishious Rend
• Crunch
• Psychic Fangs
• Ice Fang

Corviknight @ Lum Berry
Ability: Mirror Armor
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Roost
• Iron Defense
• Body Press
• Taunt

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Parting Shot
• Knock Off
• Flare Blitz
• Fake Out

Bewear @ Leftovers
Ability: Fluffy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Drain Punch
• Darkest Lariat
• Protect
• Bulk Up

Gardevoir @ Choice Specs
Ability: Trace
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Trick
• Mystical Fire
• Psychic

[upper plume]

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[cinder plinth]

https://pokepast.es/f9dcfada1ed90ba3

Tapu lele here is kinda just filler, but did I cook? (Building around boots dragapult and I hate hurricane zapdos)

[karmic geyser]

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[woven citrus]

oh thanks

wait do I do the pokepaste thing here or is there a different channel for that

[upper plume]

do it in here

but we don't really help with in-game teams

[cinder plinth]

And dracovish is banned

[woven citrus]

oh wtf

[cinder plinth]

Anyways can somebody help with mine

[orchid tiger]

This looks like it wants to be German offense so badly

[cinder plinth]

Send me that

I’ll just use that instead if that’s the case

[orchid tiger]

https://pokepast.es/7fff40bbcf4967be

[cinder plinth]

Hurricane zapdos damn

Thanks!

Damn this shit looks like super high skill ceiling

[quartz remnant]

gen 6 ou is indeed one of the best gens. id recommend joining their server for better rates since gen 6 is really dead in this server

[prime flume]

can you send me an invite? :3

like maybe in dms :3

[raw hornet]

@prime flume if you start building a gen 6 OU team you can immediately join the discord just under the team

[quartz remnant]

for sure

[river egret]

heatran doesnt need rest talk because it just sits behind protect and heals most damage (also not the best stall mon), that skarm set isn't a good physical check because it cant switch in on a lot of mons, idt that mlati set is very good either

something like band kyub just takes a life whenever it switches in

also your only status move being toxic is a bad idea, steels arent scared of switching into that quag set

drop eq for scald probably

[pearl plaza]

Whats a good smooth rock ttar build for gen 7?

[mighty glacier]

None don't use that

Just use choice band or mega

[pearl plaza]

aight thanks

[cinder plinth]

https://pokepast.es/6e5962b00417977b

german offense is too hard, lemme see how does this do?

[karmic geyser]

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[cinder plinth]

oh wait, I actually might want a lil more recovery on the team somewhere

but anyways I like this zapdos set

keep it pls, anything else is fair game for change

[tender coral]

probably use pads or black glasses on Bisharp

[cinder plinth]

o yeah

[tender coral]

Lando can be defog and Ferro rocks

you want Zap to have moveslot flexibility here imo

3A or 2A + toxic works

[cinder plinth]

oh good, because fuck hurricane

[tender coral]

cane is really good on offensive sets tbf but yeah lol

obviously 70% but your life will change once you see Zapdos take 40-50% off of Lando

[cinder plinth]

https://pokepast.es/8a1e54b688f6ea63 sth like this? This thing is gonna be built on cart maybe idk

[tender coral]

https://pokepast.es/d1f3099afe0de7ed

this should be pretty good, just don't let Pult in for free too much

[cinder plinth]

cool zapdos spread

what does it do

[tender coral]

matchup against Shifu is also but ig that you have Pult and physdef Zapdos

[tender coral]

always 3HKO Lando with hurricane, outspeed adamant Rillaboom and live +2 LO knock off from the latter

[cinder plinth]

hmm

[tender coral]

I think you also just roost off damage from CB Kartana

oh yeah use hurricane here

[cinder plinth]

😭

ok

[tender coral]

https://pokepast.es/27e774e7aa650070

live dangerously and enjoy the dopamine rush with modest Zapdos

[cinder plinth]

{{d20}} bzzt aw dangit

[tender coral]

[cinder plinth]

thanks

[tender coral]

you can use timid to shore up the Shifu matchup:
https://pokepast.es/74149cedb836dbb0

stall matchup gets worse though

[tender coral]

np

have fun with laddering, SSLT has been great so far

[eager finch]

https://pokepast.es/fc528bf5b8f091c0 genuinely cannot comphrehend the gen 7 ou meta game at all

my team idea is just to damage opponent team enough so that clefable or mawile can clean up

[eager finch]

small update instead of pex i have banded dragonite

[granite skiff]

https://pokepast.es/c531ee352953bc8a gen 6

[karmic geyser]

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[opal beacon]

Hi u are weak to lando which is a no np

[opal beacon]

U are still weak to lando with it

Cress teams also do a number on u

And toad and studf

Rotom also vswitches freely everytime.

[opal beacon]

I suggest u to try out samples a little before building

Sm is a hard gen to build in bcoz u have to consider a lot of things

As for understanding the meta, I suggest looking at replays from the current circuit championship, sm replays from spl which will start soon, reading analyses, laddering and also join the sm cord for help

[pearl plaza]

https://pokepast.es/68383582b60bca7d Gen 7

[karmic geyser]

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[opal beacon]

Hi instead of fortress u would want a much better rocker here

These mons just seem randomly pasted together, I would suggest looking at samples and reading analyses as they mention what team options are good with a pokemon

[pearl plaza]

Aight thanks for the suggestion

[eager finch]

great suggestions for my team

i mean ill prob take a bulky attacker or defensive pivot instead of clefable

but lando t isnt really a problem in my experience with the team: victini has a great match up and lando t is just set up fodder for hawlucha, also a nice ice punch or hp ice from dnit/koko does a good number on lando t

whats a good bulky attacker or defensive pivot instead of clefable

[opal beacon]

Slowbro

Cress can do the defense part too

U can pair with rh

Gliscor is good

[quartz remnant]

alpha putting in the work, cleaning old gens OU gen 7 day by day...

[opal beacon]

Pretty sure I am gonna be busy from August-november, not dead but just not very much active, so just doing all till then.

[quartz remnant]

thats still a long way, and thank you for doing this lol

genuinely great to see gen 7 helpers

[eager finch]

https://pokepast.es/2beaaf7dca8945f0 im struggling a bit with kyurem black and magearna can slowbro tank kyurem or is there something else i should go for

[sour warren]

https://pokepast.es/781f6d50e2ee0d5d mega tyranitar sand team

[opal beacon]

No bro can't tank kyurem black, u need either a fast paced mon because kyurem just shits on all bulky mons thanks to it's z

[eager finch]

can i cresslia

testing her rn*

nvm cresslia dont have the attacking power i need

[opal beacon]

Cm cress is pretty good

[pearl plaza]

https://pokepast.es/4b413cc1bc5467c8 Rain

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

we don't help with old generations of DOU here; you can ask in https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059655497587888158 or in the DOU Discord

[opal beacon]

Hi so the standard rain structure would be
Pelliper, mega swampert(Swift swim), gren, manaphy, tornadus-therian, Ferro

Alternatively there are other structures like
Mega swampert, pelliper, tapu koko, hawlucha, torn, greninja,

Or something with magearna>Ferro

Urs are mons which are not even ou.

I suggest using the sample rain team if u waaan use rain that is

[pearl plaza]

yeah thanks

[raw hornet]

If you wanna build you own teams i would also recommend checking viability rankings

Basically shows everything that's viable

And also using samples

But we probably alr told you that

[mighty glacier]

Quilfish rain too cold asw

[swift arch]

My kokotini brainrot team https://pokepast.es/0357ba35a6072a78

[karmic geyser]

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[swift arch]

It’s kinda unorthodox but really fun imo, makes games feel kinda like gen 8 randbats matches

[pearl plaza]

https://pokepast.es/d7ae6ba274221721 Gen 7

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw hornet]

Goodra is unviable i wouldnt recommend using it

The rest of the team doesnt seem soooooo bad but the sets really are

Like dpulse and hp ground on zard y and smooth rock on ttar

And lefties on drill

And just the ttar set in general isnt that good

Ice beam is meh tbh

And also what kind of EVs are you using on fini

Did your cat walk on your keyboard or smthin

I never build with these kind of teams so cant really tell what to use in that last slot

But you should already change the sets

Like using roost and focus blast instead of dpulse and hp ground

On yard

And change the ttar set for one of the sets on the smogon analysis

Im not even sure about how good ttar is rn

It's definitely not bad but there's probably more mons that can fit here that does the same thing as him

Like weavile

[vast oracle]

• goodra is unfortunately unviable, would replace that with one of sand's checklist in kart check. something like zapdos works, helps against mons like lucha and mlop too.
• sand teams can get away with exca as the sole speed control, so going spdef jirachi over scarf seems better here. lets you run rocks on it, which means you can go with CB ttar, cause the stronger pursuit helps support zardY and exca a ton
• steelium z on exca lets you overwhelm checks like landot more easily, especially cause you have defog fini as secondary removal for zardY. a notable benchmark is how +2 corkscrew can ohko zapdos if it has been pursuit trapped by cb ttar
• roost over dragon pulse on zardY. i'd say modest is also too greedy against lele and KB but your choice

[vast oracle]

no point in saying this if you're not gonna be helpful

also hp ground zardY is fine

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/c68e9520fc36cd36

[pearl plaza]

Thankss a lot

[raw hornet]

Isnt fb just better ?

[raw hornet]

Also Dre make sure your EVs are always even numbers

Like 100 22 66 78

If you use 91 like in your case you're losing a tiny eepy bit amount of stat

Which is bad

Because you always want as much as possible

You get 1 point of stat for every 4 EVs you add

I dont know if this was a missclick or somethin but make sure it's even

[upper plume]

seems like your Pokepaste gives a 404 error. You may want to fix that?

[upper plume]

EVs have to be divisible by 4, not merely even

[raw hornet]

Oh

I am not cooking !!!1🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[pearl plaza]

I cant rely on that 70 acc man

its been my downfall many times

[storm nebula]

https://pokepast.es/644d4e509c3dff2e

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[storm nebula]

Gen 7ou

[raw hornet]

That's like choosing air slash over hurricane on tornt

[pearl plaza]

I mostly used fb on Heatran from my experience and it doesnt ohko so I need ot beat taht 70acc 2x

[rustic lintel]

RSE bulky sand

[upper plume]

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[upper plume]

but also you lose to Suicune

and/or Starmie

[rustic lintel]

I'm yet to have an issue 🤷‍♀️

[upper plume]

the thing is that if Suicune gets a Calm Mind then its Hydro Pump destroys your team

[rustic lintel]

Toxic stall it with skarm

[upper plume]

Suicune is used on a fair few teams with Magneton

and your inability to do anything to Rest Suicune in particular is concerning

[rustic lintel]

Switch to Magneton while its resting

[upper plume]

I would just post the link to your pokepaste (you already have it) and that will notify better ADV players than me

[rustic lintel]

https://pokepast.es/6c28da239e173f77

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense adder]

SM OU
https://pokepast.es/d8252aa730c95c5d

[static yacht]

this loses to most water types

starmie ohkos half the team

most suicune sets are terrifying

you can't touch refresh pert AT ALL

god even cloyster is annoying

[rustic lintel]

I've been fine🤷‍♀️

[static yacht]

in what matchup

btw where's your gengar switch

[opal beacon]

U want this fini set when u run whirlpool
Tapu Fini @ Leftovers
Ability: Misty Surge
EVs: 248 HP / 156 Def / 40 SpD / 64 Spe
Bold Nature

• Whirlpool
• Taunt
• Nature's Madness
• Moonblast

64 Speed EVs allow Tapu Fini to outspeed Adamant non-Mega Tyranitar. 156 Defense EVs let Tapu Fini avoid the 2HKO from Mega Medicham's Zen Headbutt after Leftovers recovery. The remaining EVs are pooled into Special Defense, helping out Tapu Fini with special attackers like Ash-Greninja. Though a physically defensive spread is great for the likes of Mega Charizard X and Mega Lopunny, a specially defensive spread of 248 HP / 92 Def / 32 SpA / 120 SpD / 16 Spe with a Calm nature can be used instead, with the physical bulk letting Tapu Fini dodge the OHKO from +2 Acrobatics from Hawlucha after Stealth Rock, 32 Special Attack EVs ensuring Moonblast OHKOes Hawlucha after Stealth Rock, and 16 Speed EVs to outpace Adamant Crawdaunt. The remaining EVs are put into Special Defense to best take on the likes of Ash-Greninja and Heatran.

Otherwise it's fine

[dense adder]

Is that really all thats wrong with the team

I thought there was more wrong with it

[opal beacon]

Also the zard set
Charizard @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Flamethrower
• Focus Blast
• Solar Beam
• Roost

U want a faster zard for sure

[dense adder]

Thats the shit i was looking for, thank you alpha-sama, ur goated frfr

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/c68e9520fc36cd36

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz remnant]

this is... horrible. use defog on fini, dont use sash exca, use sd on exca, dont use sr on exca, dont use toxic, kyurem set is horrible, dont need kyurem + serp here

[quartz remnant]

uhh, no its not?

why would you even use that exca set on.. sand.

[opal beacon]

O I didn't even notice the exca set

[opal beacon]

It's rapid spin + defog serp

U don't need defog fini instead that set of fini is really good

[quartz remnant]

i mean

serp isnt that great here

especially that set

[opal beacon]

How
It acts as a water check

• rotom

it's good there

Defog + glare support for the rest of the team

[quartz remnant]

literally can use any other grass type here

[opal beacon]

Fini helps u check and trap annoying mons like chansey/pex

[quartz remnant]

id prefer tang

[quartz remnant]

you have a band ttar

with pursuit

[opal beacon]

Kkk but with serp get defog too

And glare

[quartz remnant]

eh

i also dont get kyurem

you probably shouldnt try to stall out turns on a weather team

[opal beacon]

No medicham switchin

[quartz remnant]

ah

how to solve

[opal beacon]

kinda hard to say

clef, bro

[quartz remnant]

cant find a way to get em in

unless clef for kyub

[opal beacon]

Yes it's tough to get them in

U will just have to trade mons

unless clef>Ferro and then u make kyurem bulky to deal with water types

[quartz remnant]

yeah but we lack a steel then

[opal beacon]

Yea u will just have to trade mons

Or make something from scratch

[quartz remnant]

i think trade is aight

or!

double helmet

on ferro + lando

if medi comes in on the ala guy

tryna fake out

[raw hornet]

Tang is kinda dead

[quartz remnant]

so was m-camerupt till someone used it in olt finals

just sayin

[opal beacon]

sm olt is old

[raw hornet]

did he win?

and also mcamerupt always was dead even with people playing it in some tours

[quartz remnant]

yes

[quartz remnant]

huh

[raw hornet]

was it clementine?

[quartz remnant]

no that one thing

by zaza

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-2254724439-qk3u6u62rmoxb7hknahwh3hy7cia7c8pw

its been a month bro aint that old

[raw hornet]

i mean did he win the tour

[opal beacon]

Don't call it olt bro
It's lt only

[quartz remnant]

oh i see

i dont know the difference

[quartz remnant]

yes

[dense adder]

im sensing perhaps that my team needs work

[opal beacon]

Yep
Make exca z, get a rotom/pex >kyurem

[dense adder]

Praise be unto alpha and goat for their wisdom

May their crits land and rolls be high

[pearl plaza]

My friend wants to follow up on this gen 7 thanks

[stuck garnet]

I'm having trouble building a decent team for Gen 4 OU, this is what I have so far

[hollow meadow]

Rate me sir

https://pokepast.es/fd3834786a7793cb

Gen 7 ou antistall

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw hornet]

Never use maltaria with a dd set

always prefer the defensive heal bell set

i see a synergy here with muk alola checking mzam and heatran using wow but i'm not sure of how good it is

[hollow meadow]

omk

[raw hornet]

also what are the speed evs on skar for?

[hollow meadow]

Cause why not?

[raw hornet]

but why not not ?

why not NOT having the evs

you never thought of that huh?

i outplayed you here

you're done

[hollow meadow]

lmao

[raw hornet]

anyway the team doesnt look too bad i dont see any big problems to it but could be wrong

i'm not the best player of all time n shit

[hollow meadow]

hmm true i did use this team against stall and it was great

[raw hornet]

well

[hollow meadow]

maltaria died at the 3rd turn tho

[raw hornet]

you say "antistall" but this really doesnt look like an antistall lol

[hollow meadow]

why

[raw hornet]

what even is good against stall here

[hollow meadow]

The user

[raw hornet]

wdym

what's "the user"

[hollow meadow]

me

[raw hornet]

alright but this team itself isnt an "antistall" then

it's more of a

fat

[hollow meadow]

xD

[raw hornet]

or semi stall

[hollow meadow]

hmm maybe

should i rename it

staller than stall

[raw hornet]

it's definitely not staller than stall so no

[hollow meadow]

cause pretty sure i can outstall

[raw hornet]

meh

[hollow meadow]

aw

[raw hornet]

heatran and muk alola have terrible recovery with one not even having any so definitely not

[hollow meadow]

okay trye

[raw hornet]

and also

[hollow meadow]

true

[raw hornet]

what are the evs for on maltaria

and the ones on gastrodon

the team itself looks pretty cool but the spreads and sets are weird

again could be wrong for the former

[hollow meadow]

maybe your right

i will test

[raw hornet]

wait wait

bro tell me what are the evs for lol

the speed ones on gastrodon maltaria skarmory and tran

[upper plume]

you should send the link to the pokepaste here so that raters will be notified

I don't really like your prospects against Lucario and Gyara to be honest

and lead Petaya Empoleon is not a thing

[hollow meadow]

to outspeed some pokemon...

[stuck garnet]

Yeah lemme grab that, honestly I'm incredibly new to the format so I'm not familiar with common stuff

https://pokepast.es/3df33c0b19299a67

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt vigil]

Hi Mr Angel,
You have identified key threat of the dpp metagame, however there are a couple of rules you need to follow for this gen:

• You need a dedicted lead: Gen 4 has no team preview, which means the first pokemon of your team is directly sent out. This reduces the viable options to pokemon with specific attributes (Stealth Rock, Taunt, Explosion or have good 1v1 capabilites)
• The sample sets are designed to answer the common options of the metagame. Using them will prevent you from using suboptimal options, and give you tips on common dynamics of dpp

[dense adder]

SM OU
https://pokepast.es/a2503b8808c3dc6c

Is this better?

[quartz remnant]

dont neeed tom tbh

thats just me though

[dense adder]

what do you recommend?

[vale lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/1440505dc0c004d8 gen 7 ou

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vale lagoon]

Trying to experiment with SD Charizard

[raw hornet]

I'm not sure about sd xard on offense teams but besides that it doesnt seem bad

Just wait for Marnie or Alpha to rate your team theyll give more precise stuff

[quartz remnant]

id go dd, but ive seen a team like this before i swear..

[silent edge]

Wanted to go back to gen 8 ou with a kartaba balance sort of structure https://pokepast.es/60fe107851ac7b90

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silent edge]

Hope its good cuz its been like a year since I've last played gen 8

Swampert might not be great in ou anymore but it filled the role of a stealth rocker that can take on mons like heatran which doesn't really like. I could use lando though I felt the synergy between water ground and grass steel really works well because even lando doesnt love taking a magma storm.

[silent edge]

Oddly enough kartana itself may be an issue for my team, maybe I should have heatwave on tornadus?

[vivid kraken]

think u want more self sustenance when it comes to xard + fini, dont really think these guys appreciate the pacing that the rest of your team brings about

[vale lagoon]

Yeah I should probably do what others were recommending and switch Zard to DD for the offensive playstyle

[vivid kraken]

yah if u wanna go offense i think you change the structure entirely and not a fini + xard based bo

[vale lagoon]

Alrighty

I’ll try to lean into a more offensive structure (I prefer offensive teams)

[vivid kraken]

yh ok

[silent edge]

Any gen 8 raters online?

[swift arch]

Can you repost if your team got no responese

[silent edge]

Wanted to go back to gen 8 ou with a kartana balance

https://pokepast.es/dd9c8c70b6c7adeb

[quartz remnant]

huh why pert

[silent edge]

Stealth rock + spikes stack as well as a pivot that can take the fire attacks ferrothorn doesn't want to.

Though maybe something like heatran, ferrothorn, landorous would be better

[silent edge]

Nah that loses to urshifu water

I have clef as the stealth rocker and replaced swamp with slowbro for future sight support with kart, better longevity, and a slow pivot.

On top of scald.

Now the question is scarf kart or sd kart...

[zenith lion]

I made this gen 4 team a while back and I feel like there's something missing. https://pokepast.es/ce57696661ac37ce

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt vigil]

Hi Cosmic,
You attempted to build a sandless HO. This playstyle, although weak, can work on ladder. You need to change a couple of things:

• Ambipom is a bad lead option due to the (very) poor risk / reward it represents. If you Taunt as they attack you are playing 5v6 and if you U-turn on Rocks rest of your team is far behind, with a lead that can't pivot into anything to help its team. Even if you get the play right, Ambipom doesn't enable anything by itself, making the reward quite low. Something like Aerodactyl / Azelf would work better.
• Porygon Z is unviable because it can't switch into anything due to its normal typing. Pokemon with much better stat spreads like Azelf and Alakazam are similarly unable to take a midgame spot due to their inability to pivot.
• Infernape dislikes Choice items as his selling point is his great super effective coverage, forcing him to switch moves often. It doesn't play a hit & run strategy well.
• Jirachi needs a more offensive version that fits the pace of the team.
• Swampert does not fit the pace of this team, especially if it's the tank version.

I recommend you to take a look at the strategic dex for the sets to use https://www.smogon.com/dex/dp/pokemon/jirachi/
Sample teams can also help you out, there are a couple of HO teams https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-sample-teams.3687351/

[silent edge]

Any gen 8 raters around wanna take a crack at this? https://pokepast.es/8f49881e09d94f83

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[random pivot]

first 6ou building attempt

https://pokepast.es/bb0eea57d94f37d3

[tender coral]

Torn can probably be heat wave + toxic or taunt

[silent edge]

Anything else or is that it?

[low jasper]

Lacks a ground type

Can do Lando with Defog > ferro

I don’t think scarf kart is as needed here since having both torn and pult I think band or sd would function well here

Alternatively torn could be assault vest since you are running Defog lando to help with pult shenanigans

[pearl plaza]

https://pokepast.es/644d4e509c3dff2e gen 7

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz remnant]

psyshock to hit chansey

[silent edge]

https://pokepast.es/8c55cf6fd60c7261 anything else or os it fine for testing?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tropic schooner]

it also has no proper steel

so u are pretty bad into scarf lele

[silent edge]

Hmm maybe replace clef with heatran/ferro to help fix that

[low jasper]

Tran would be good yes

[native quail]

Hey I am interested in gen 7 ou but dont know where to start with learning the meta game n stuff for it

[karmic geyser]

OU (Gen 7)

• Sample Teams
• Viability Rankings
• Speed Tiers
• Role Compendium
• Metagame Discussion Thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[low jasper]

Here is some resources for you

Sample teams are optimized teams built by players to help introduce new players to the meta

Viability rankings tell you which mons function in the tier

[silent edge]

https://pokepast.es/1235da2e03e62c8e made the changes.

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low jasper]

Taunt > toxic on tran and should be good

[silent edge]

Thanks

[native quail]

https://pokepast.es/5f3b52bbda868aa5

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[native quail]

Sample team I found

Is it good?

[upper plume]

If it's a sample team, then it is known to be good

[silent edge]

I have noticed that weavile poses a bit of a problem

[low jasper]

Yeah Tran can be flame body or you can do colbur press bro

Or scarf fini > pult

[silent edge]

Hmmm does bro live a knock off/sucker punch after the colbur berry is eaten

Cuz betting on tran getting a flam body proc seems dicey because if it doesn't happen then im cooked.

[swift arch]

Gen 8 OU Choice Band Kokotini

https://pokepast.es/0357ba35a6072a78

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low jasper]

Yeah knock does significantly less after

[low jasper]

Bit busy now but I’ll attack this later if someone don’t get it first

[swift arch]

Thx

[silent edge]

That might be it, feels better than just going "get the burn" getting low kicked and then no burn and just being sad.

[low jasper]

Not really a fan of double band hate I suggest making Weavile another win con like dragonite which gives you an out vs rain which you currently get owned by. I would also suggest zen headbutt > glaciate on tini to hit foes like toxapex. I would recommend running helmet on corv and just run the smogon spread you do not need that much spedef. Urshifu can just be scarf tbh.

You could do ice punch > jet on shifu btw

Helps vs opposing dnite and dragapult

[tender coral]

Weavile really isn't an out vs rain tbf

also physdef Chomp and spdef Corv is certainly a choice, flip their roles and this team is something that you can spam on ladder to learn the tier @swift arch

you probably want body press on Corv to handle Melmetal and Kartana

[tropic schooner]

ye he was saying that replace weavile with a wincon so you can have smth that wins against rain

[tender coral]

ah okay, I read it wrong

I'm ngl it could be Rillaboom

[tropic schooner]

rilla does kinda rid of the strategy and doesnt help much against zapdos

[tender coral]

is a team with Koko and Chomp really that weak against Zapdos though

obviously Zap is Zap and can beat that core, but having something that fundamentally lures it in to remove its boots helps

[tropic schooner]

off zap can kinda shit but if u say its ok

[vivid kraken]

i think this suffer from overall coherence issue

[vivid kraken]

lil outdated but can work the overall structure works well

if were going for a bo perspective id probably change up the structure in favor of what the metagame asks for but the team is good fwiw

[vivid kraken]

for this i dont think it adequates supports what pinsir asks for

pinsir scarf lele might be cool on some ho structure

but like you have a balance backbone alongside faster paced mons and theyre not given the support that they really need

pacing is basically completely off

nowadays i dont think i like the clef tran ferro balance

super exploitable and gets pretty bullied by the sm metagame