#Old Gens OU

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naive stump
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Diancie

shell ridge
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One plan was to use zapdos to spread paralysis but that was to slow

naive stump
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Funny z-user

shell ridge
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Any thoughts

naive stump
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Scarf lando ferro and rotom lol

shell ridge
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Replacements ?

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Ferro for cele and

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Rotom for gastro

naive stump
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Yh

shell ridge
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Serp kinda then

naive stump
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Last could be whatever z-winco

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Maybe z-kommo-o

shell ridge
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Kommo kinda can’t put in work

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Before the z

naive stump
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Not really?

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CC hit hard even without the boost

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  • u can legit run
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SD/DD on it

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I can see a kyurem-black tho also

shell ridge
naive stump
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Any good z-user works here ngl

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Something like KB/Kommo-o/Dragonite/...

shell ridge
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I just used the standard sets

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For now

naive stump
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Give up that rock polish gimmick on diancie

shell ridge
naive stump
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I really cant see it working in a regular way

shell ridge
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Stealth rock or even protect can

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Be

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More

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Realistic

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But rock polish diance was the idea

naive stump
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Eh

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Do what u want

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Anw

shell ridge
naive stump
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The team like that should be stronger

shell ridge
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Imma be back after probably a week or so of testing

naive stump
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Yh

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There's def a lot of small improvement here and there

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Even the kommo-o pick might not be the best obviously

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But the structure is here

shell ridge
naive stump
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So it will give u a strong direction to follow when u will have to improve ur team after test

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Np

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Fwiw

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I think there was a world

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Where diancie + celes would work

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But it was def something more balance

shell ridge
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I can make that happen

naive stump
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Without vic band at the very least

shell ridge
naive stump
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But I think some vanilla volt turn diancie vic offense

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Is funnier and better to use

shell ridge
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Z celebrate victini

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Without rock polish

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On diance

naive stump
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Yh, one of my friend did some cool stuff with that core

shell ridge
naive stump
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But it's def very different of the current team

shell ridge
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Can i have

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The paste

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If you have it

naive stump
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It's not my team

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So I will not share the past

shell ridge
naive stump
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Kek

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I like the spirit

shell ridge
naive stump
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Np

shell ridge
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Arigato

silent edge
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silent edge
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Less power for more bulk.

silent escarp
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Hello everyone, I've been getting into ADV OU and after playing a lot of teams that were weak to gengar when my team lacked one I wanted to build a team around offensive gengar. I built the team around ideas from smogon (it recommending cloyster alongside offensive gengar specifically) and I've liked it. I like suicune as an endgame win condition, and I think Celebi Cloyster and Dugtrio work pretty well together. My main thing is if there's any advice for a better lead instead of Jolteon or if I could go for a better idea entirely for a special offense team with offensive gengar. https://pokepast.es/7839fa25f89e6cf3

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also I'd like an endgame a bit less reliant on rest talk suicune

silent escarp
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I'm trying a team that leads with zap and swamps celebi for defensive swampert and suicune for starmie so I have a bit more speed and an actual rock resist lol

candid prairie
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is there any reason to use Jolteon as a lead over Zapdos

topaz sentinel
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His speed and t wave paralysis

silent escarp
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Except I don’t have t wave on it lol

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Honestly I could use some help with the adv lead metagame in general. I know that ttar and skarm are popular for TSS, choice band meta is an option for physical offense teams and that sometimes a general HO team will lead with vaporeon or smeargle but idk much beyond that

sour warren
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nocturne prawn
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opinions?

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gritty scaffold
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you kinda want a spinner here if ur trying to use hail

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idk the team just looks weird

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you dont have a good latios switchin

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its 6-0 by volcarona

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hail is either ho or "stall"

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no in between

nocturne prawn
gritty scaffold
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sry i dindt comeback to

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but uh

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you still struggle into rain i think? and sand. ur team is preety slow and bad vs scarfers

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ppl usually run forretress as their spinner in hail

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or starmie

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psy spam doesnt fit well in hail

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and it often needs spike stack in those psy spam teams

nocturne prawn
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I think the smarter idea is just to give up on pre gen 8 hail entirely

gritty scaffold
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theres good hail teams like this https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/peng-hail.3742941/

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Gen 5 - peng hail

ABR Hail peng hail
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Introduction:
Hi! This is a hail team I've been using and sharing around friends for a lot of the last year. Its a pretty solid example of a modern Hail "stall" team, up until a few years ago believed to be...

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its just not easy to build hail if ur just gonna put random offensive mons together

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and also that playstyle is preety limited

nocturne prawn
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nocturne prawn
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opinions?

tropic schooner
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tapu koko with screens is not very good and only fits on ho builds

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which this doesnt look to be?

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cb rilla is sadly bad due to the oversaturation of good wood hammer resists such as buzzwole dnite corviknight skarmory and melmetal

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so i will merely ask this, which mons do you wanna keep? i will go over the others and fix up some sets

nocturne prawn
tropic schooner
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hrm that kinda is the worst mon in the team viability wise but sure

nocturne prawn
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and suicide lead lando-t

tropic schooner
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ok so suicide lead lando is well, a lead

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so you dont need two leads

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so you ditch koko here

nocturne prawn
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k

tropic schooner
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even tho this is ho, this still needs a basic few pokemon types to check common threats

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biggest requirement here is a steel

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i rly like melm or heatran in offensive builds like this

nocturne prawn
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I think I'm picking the heatran to have a better special split since only Pult is there now

tropic schooner
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i can explain the changes if u want

nocturne prawn
nocturne prawn
tropic schooner
nocturne prawn
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oh choiche band

inner mist
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I think Aboma / Clef / Forry / Gliscor / Latias / KyuB feels a lot better

nocturne prawn
nocturne prawn
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livid sky
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gen 8 uu

lost summit
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upper plume
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I saw the first 4 mons and thought it was TSS

lost summit
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Little bit of both

mild sinew
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mild sinew
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gen 7 ou

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forgot 4 evs on pex but other than that how we lookin

sacred flume
naive stump
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There's no real psy resist, so this is 6-0ed by zam and lele

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Moreover, the main idea of medicham + band ttar feels very old as a whole

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Ttar band is really a subpar set nowadays

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I would prob add that ur fairy MU is also quite bad but it also comes from the lack of real bulky steel/chansey

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(also, I think the speed control is too low for what looks like some weird BO medi + with gliscor and toxa as ur main fighting resist, medicham is also an annoying MU)

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Not to say I dont trust tang + glis to handle exca, so I will also add sand as possible bad MU

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As I think that ttar band is simply bad, the best here is to keep medicham and use it in a better playstyle lol

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U can maybe keep this structure with lando over glis, ebutton on toxapex, weavile over koko and fit heatran somewhere

naive stump
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I think it's a bit of a miss match

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Since ur team looks like some pinsir offense while exca suicide lead only works on HO

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Overall, I would just add magearna/ferrothorn over that exca

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That lando really needs some bulk as well

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For ur stall MU, there's not a lot to do

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But I dont think it's that bad tbf

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Tapu fini taunt can do a lot if properly played

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Something u could do maybe is to put knock off over CC

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Not only it still hit hard rotom at +2, it also will lure skarm and remove shed shell

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Which means zone is now free to trap it and the stall will have a much difficult time to deal with ur pinsir

nocturne prawn
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naive stump
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On something that looks like a volt turn HO

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U have 3 choice locked poke

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With one that often let a ton of shit for free

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The speed control is not even that high

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And, obviously, ur are lacking of immediate answer to something like zam or pert

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However, there's a few to improve a lot more the team

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Lando medi lele kart are fine

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Lele specs

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Medi

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But make this lando only rocks

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Kart will be scarf (with defog if u want)

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Then I would add magearna and rotom into the mix

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Rotom would be the usual pivot set but I dont think defog is mandatory considering the overall pace

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Mag can be a lot

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But I think z-SG set is best here

silent edge
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Hmmm might change lele's set to something else

naive stump
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Well

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It just ur average psy spam stuff

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Magearna over tran is prob better tho

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Dont need that spedef invest on lando as well

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Looks fine otherwise

nocturne prawn
naive stump
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Hum

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Not having a ground is dangerous as usual

nocturne prawn
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poison weakness is kinda risky

naive stump
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  • I never enjoy those zone + offensive core
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Since most psy beat steel anw

nocturne prawn
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I guess I already have enough HP fire anyways

naive stump
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Moreover, I'm really not into serp scarf in general

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Prob need something like

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Lando over zone

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Idk if I'm a fan of the psy core here

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Could try

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Kyurem-Black + Volcarona

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Over Serperior + Lele

nocturne prawn
naive stump
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So the six would looks like

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Not really

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Since that ferro could have spikes

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Or u could go double defog with rocks ferro

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I think ferro is fine here since it helps against pert, gren and kart

naive stump
still adder
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gen 7 ou sm team

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It seems to be working but idk, sometimes i feel like its a little lacking

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I kkinda like the idea of ninetales veil so thats why its in both

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but this is more of a hyper offensive team

nocturne prawn
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naive stump
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it will not work here

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having suicide lead exca as the sole way to removes hazards for zardy and vic is not enough at all obviously

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gren looks random

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tang AV is awful

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and ur are auto losing to psy-spam

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the team that carkoala is using is prob the sole overall viable zardy sand

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for the sets:
-tyranitar scarf foul play
-adamant lefto bulky excadrill
-kart synthesis defog
-cresselia CM ice beam
-toxapex t-spikes or infestation
-zardy

vivid kraken
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naive stump
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Could run double z with z-slowbro and z-torn

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Hum

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Now that I look at it

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SD glis really looks annoying

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Might want

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Skill swap on chansey or z-ice on slowbro

vivid kraken
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skill swap > toxic?

naive stump
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Yh

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But, imo

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I rather run z-ice

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Also, would put scald on slowbro

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Wait, that bro has scald lol

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I'm blind

vivid kraken
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and is slowbro ev spread good

naive stump
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Yh

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Not sure if FS is the right call also

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I get the idea

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But, without z, I prefer something more useful

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Like twave or toxic maybe

lime viper
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lime viper
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oh, i didnt know that about choice band, the thing is that i have used that sample team but i kinda feel awkward using it, thats why i tried to make a new one

cobalt vigil
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This is a great team if you want to build the fondamentals of dpp offense

upper plume
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hi oipon

cobalt vigil
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You have a clear wincon and easy to pivot pokemon

upper plume
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I was about to send a team here

cobalt vigil
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y?

upper plume
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Idea was Band Gyara to open up RD Kingdra

lime viper
upper plume
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maybe I should have tpunch rachi instead of icepunch?

cobalt vigil
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Probably yeah

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Dd dragonite isn't too popular and you are fairly gyarados weak

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did you try using bronzogn as your lead ?

upper plume
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not yet

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I think I put Ice Punch on it in my initial version of the team which had a Metagross

cobalt vigil
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because right now it's kinda awkward to lay down rocks - what threatens Jirachi also threatens bronzong so matchups like Heatran / Skarm lead can get ugly

upper plume
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I see

cobalt vigil
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I'm not sure about Berry Tar and Scarf Jirachi here

upper plume
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I actually am a bit fond of Berry Tar after suiting a zapdos

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why are you not sure about them here?

cobalt vigil
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Ttar can work but make you breloom weak

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Scarf Jirachi is a fairly bad option in dpp right now

upper plume
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why is that?

cobalt vigil
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I guess I'd try something like that

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bad locks

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and you lose one steel to check the opposing Jirachi

upper plume
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I see

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why did you make Gyarados the lead?

cobalt vigil
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you can't deny rocks with Bronzong

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Gyarados without a Taunt lead isn't the best

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This is a way to patch the Bronzong-Gyara-Heatran dynamic

upper plume
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I see

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so basically just lead Gyara bc I can't deny lead rocks

cobalt vigil
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Excatly

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It's unlikely to see a non-lead gyarados team without Taunt or spin support

upper plume
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I see

cobalt vigil
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You may want to try dd tar

upper plume
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Why Passho on Tyranitar instead of Chople?

cobalt vigil
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it's my box set chople is fine

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Now that you have Latias you can force gengar out with a pivot on focus blast so there's no clear berry to choose here

upper plume
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also why do you recommend dd tar?

cobalt vigil
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You already have lots of options for pivoting

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support tar may be too much support

upper plume
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I see

cobalt vigil
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You can try other things on this slot it looks flexible

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something grounded with decent power and not draco meteor weak

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should work

upper plume
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my mind goes to another water-type but I don't think we need more of those

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namely swampert

cobalt vigil
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Subcune with healing wish is a possibility

upper plume
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I'll probably keep Tyranitar tbh

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eh

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what else can be used to handle Zapdos?

cobalt vigil
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Ttar is fine

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You have double boom + trick Latias it should be fine

upper plume
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I see

cobalt vigil
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gyara somewhat lure it too

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when you have momentum

upper plume
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I'll try the subcune + hwish latias version

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thanks

nocturne prawn
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naive stump
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But zone specs is useless here

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I would run a z that can OHKO toxapex here as well

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Z-psy or z-dig prob

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Instead of zone

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I would go rotom

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And maybe ferro over mag

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But it's up to you

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I'm not a fan of psy stab on vic

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Kinda weak and only useful for kommo-o I think

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Prob would still run trick

tropic schooner
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Id run trick and z psy on gren for sure

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Idt u need much for oppo magearna

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Pmuch entire team beats

naive stump
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Yh

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Well, I'm not fond of both z tbh lol

tropic schooner
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Z psychic hits amoonguss which looks kinda annoying here

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Kommo too

naive stump
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I rather keep usual z-hydro fire but luring toxa is prob too valuable I believe

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Amoonguss is very niche, kommo-o is a fair point

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U also technically lure venusaur fwiw

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Well

tropic schooner
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Ya that too

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But it doesnt take too much

naive stump
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With t-spikes, z-psy is surely a tad better than ground

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Tbf, the main upset of z-dig

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Is mainly that u are using atk invest

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Then u can use low kick to hit tran and chansey lol

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But well

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I never really found a way to pick the optimal prot gren for any of my own builds

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Since that poke is all about the mindgame rather than a clear role in a structure

nocturne prawn
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so what I got here was changed zone to RotoW and "We have no idea on protean greninja because it's difficult to use"

naive stump
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Just run

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Z-dig or z-psy lol

nocturne prawn
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btw changing ice beam to dark pulse for better matchup against mew and slowbro

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on gren

naive stump
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Bad idea imo

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With slowbro, u can pressure it with spikes/t-spikes

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And the only mew u will ever encouter is suicide lead

nocturne prawn
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also no complaining that I'm giving away that gren has protean cuz shiny

naive stump
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Well, I always put by default no shiny male prot gren

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So I dont notice these details lol

nocturne prawn
nocturne prawn
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nocturne prawn
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silent edge
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nocturne prawn
silent edge
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Raters aren't here rn, we should wait before posting again

naive stump
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Ur are only slowing down the pace of the team

silent edge
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So keep mega medi then?

naive stump
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CM tias is a good winco, but it's slow and dont threaten immediately

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Yep

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Or whatever psy abuser

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Gallade, zam, ...

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But something that hit hard

silent edge
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Hmmm zap provides more speed and power than medi I believe. Plus future sight pairs better with kart.

naive stump
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Zap?

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Ah, zam

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I would not run FS on it

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CM or recover 3A

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But, with psy spam, the pace of the team need to be as fast as possible

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So, it's either winco that can snowball very quickly or shit that hit extremely hard

naive stump
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So, it means, every fire such as volc, tran, zardx or even vic is eating this squad

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If u want to go for diancie kart Kb stuff

silent edge
naive stump
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I recommand the wof HO sample teams

silent edge
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Also does this make the psyspam offense/HO or does the core make it BO?

naive stump
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With volt turn, it's offense

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The line between psyspam offense and HO

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Is when they are running lucha or kommo-o for example

silent edge
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That's fair, hmmm this is my first real offense team them. I normally make BO/Balance.

naive stump
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Kinda wasting the core of prot gren + mgyara

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Since prot gren with HP fire + spikes makes much more sense here

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Moreover, that double z pick is hella weird

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Esp since it looks like an offense and u really can't afford to waste an item here

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Finally, ur mag has zero bulk with a z-move

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So, ur are losing to psy and ashgren in a sense

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I think mgyara is only good in HO

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So would recommand to keep prot gren mgyara kart lando mag

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And put a lele over zap

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And make it a generic volt turn HO

restive sun
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https://pokepast.es/481b57419b54a7df ok this is Gen 2 (obviously) but im trying to build a Hitmonlee baton pass team i notice we have good speed according to the speed tiers (minus Donphan) but im mainly just looking for 2 more mon to add to the team to help balance it out please dont roast me too hard 😂😂 im new to the comp scene

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nocturne prawn
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gritty scaffold
candid prairie
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I feel like this doesn't really take advantage of toxic spikes that much

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generally you want a cm mon like suicune or clefable

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you also have no way to punish removal, gengar is just gonna lose to starmie and forretress trying to spin

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something like scarf ttar doesnt spinblock but it at least makes starmie die as an exchange

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in fact starmie in general kinda mows you down

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could use pasho ttar > heatran

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or pasho heatran ngl

gritty scaffold
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hm yea sure i could try

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maybe cune over zap then

candid prairie
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prob want subsplit gengar too

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otherwise this build is 6-0'd by clefable

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but ig encore clef beats sub gengar so

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idk that mon is absurd

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SD lucario isnt a bad shout on builds like this, esp if u go a scarf tar route

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can rlly punish rotoms that try to revenge u

gritty scaffold
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yea true im just unsure on what i would change instead

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ig scarf tar over flygon and lucario over starmie maybe?

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im unsure how much ill be able to spin

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but at same time not letting my opp getting hazards

candid prairie
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well starmie is just nice in general

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beats a lot of tspike immunes like zong and tran

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but u are lacking power here

gritty scaffold
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preety much

candid prairie
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and if ur dedicating a whole mon as a suicide lead u need some power

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just use ttar as ur backbone

gritty scaffold
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i could prob remove gar and try rely on double switchins to dont let spin

candid prairie
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yea pursuit tar is enough to make starmie teams upset

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can make it pasho sr tar too

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with a different scarfer

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and like mystic water starmie or something

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lucario and starmie can overwhelm fat pretty well

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zapdos is like

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fine on an offense like this

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can also do like

gritty scaffold
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yea i could prob keep agili zap , use pasho tar over tran

candid prairie
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scarf ttar and custap swampert with SR

gritty scaffold
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oo

candid prairie
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swampert is a good rachi check

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since rachi owns offense

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and uh

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everything ever

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something like this feels fine i think

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if pert needs to EV to live a +1 outrage from dragonite that's probably worth it

gritty scaffold
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tysm

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lot of stuff to try out

candid prairie
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np

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here's a similar ish team i have with lead rose

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double water seems to be the way to go

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(ignore that washtom isnt a water type yet)

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i also thought on beat up zard but idrk how to build around that

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choice heatran is sun exclusive, dd pult is hyper offense exclusive, landorus is way too burdened with rocks and defog to do both successfully + misses out on toxic or knock

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oh and physdef lando shouldn't be run

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team also has quite a few holes but I don't want to fix them until I know the direction the team was meant to go in

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yeah i dont like how shaky this looks to some stuff like scarf kart

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This is also still pretty overwhelmable by other pults with modest pult

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are first 3 mons all wanted @nocturne prawn ?

nocturne prawn
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Kart can be changed I guess also I don't care about slowbro

mild sinew
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So I could catch someone by surprise

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Originally magnezone was In place of heatran to clear the steel types rilla has trouble against but the team looked like it insta lost to volc

dense kindle
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gen 8 OU

dense kindle
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oh and I have here muted so ping me

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dense kindle
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struggling to remember a dark I like absolutely need to resist that isnt weav which I assume pex + melm can deal with

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is it fine to just treat goltres like it isnt gonna show up

tender coral
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you don't need a dark resist

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this team definitely wants physdef light screen Pex though

tender coral
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also just use EQ for Lando, the power drop from earth power isn't worth it most of the time

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five turn terrain is also not long enough for it to affect EQ that much

silent edge
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but yes it's a thing

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Team is slow otherwise

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Fastest poke gren for an offense/BO sounds sus

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Also, no defog

silent edge
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Hmmm replaced pex with fini and gren with scarf kart.

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Kept ferrothorn and landorous

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Should I replace ferrothorn? I mostly been trying to build around magnezone so I've been trying mons that might be good with zone like mawile and kart. Fini prevents burn and gets rid of hazards while being a good fire resist.

naive stump
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I still dont get why zone + maw would be good lol

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I really dislike the idea of zone on anything not named fat/balance

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Since it create a huge hole in your defensive structure

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Like, most of the time, using zone means u both need to abuse its ability to weaken maw and removes steel spiker

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Otherwise, it's not worth to use zone imo

silent edge
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Hmm back to the drawing board.

naive stump
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This is some aids balance (and I dont think it's that good also lol) but u often saw zone, not only to support ur funny steel, but also to support defensively the core of zone/chansey/slowbro

silent edge
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Hmmm is kart not reliable enough to be the only defogger? I assume die to how frail it is.

naive stump
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No

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Kart sole defogger is totally fine

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And it's not even frail at all lol

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Its physical bulk is quite nice and helps a lot against ground

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The issue is that 8pp of synthesis means it will struggle to won any hazards wars against slower bulkier team

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And since the team is trusting maw to break anything, it means that the oppo will def try to pressure with hazards

silent edge
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Right, hmm I'll definitely keep the team in mind. I also wonder if lopunny could work on zone balance. If it can't I'll probably use the team you made to get a feel for how zone is used.

naive stump
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Yh, I dont like that zone + lop core idea lol

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That thing gave me several scares earlier

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Before I arrived at this 6

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Also whats the ideal other 2 moves for pex

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I dont quite understand what pex moves to take when yet

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@candid prairie sry for random ping its bc the bot wouldnt ping otherwise but can you help now or not? np if u busy atm. i forgo who else does rates of dpp too

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like any dd mon is 6-0ing u

gritty scaffold
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perhaps scarf latias then?

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altho kinda unsure if isnt too weak

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or ig twave mie should work here

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@gritty scaffold Don't play Gyarados without Taunt Support. Spin is "okay" if your Gyarados carries leftovers. When building a team in DPP you need think about your early sequences - Jirachi is a poor response to most of Empoleon's counters

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Scarfers are highly advised, I'd suggest you to try the samples first tbh

gritty scaffold
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i mean ive already used them

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i just feel like analysis are bit confusing sometimes

cobalt vigil
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Emp - CB Tar - Latias - Jirachi can be a good start

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You can try a good amount of things with these 4

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But you would want to avoid spinners and Rocks weak which don't fit on here

gritty scaffold
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ah fair enough i just thought would be good bc was mentioned on analysis lol

cobalt vigil
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which one

gritty scaffold
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empoleon lead

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it mentions gyara , dnite can work together with it

cobalt vigil
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yeah idk about gyarados

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or dnite for that matter

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Empo provides really poor sr control

gritty scaffold
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well ig i could use rotom scarf , heatran maybe? over starmie , gyara

cobalt vigil
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Rotom is nice yeah

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Heatran can work

gritty scaffold
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just unsure if i change latias specs to other set

cobalt vigil
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but you will need at least a Shuca on Jirachi

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Specs is fine

gritty scaffold
cobalt vigil
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yeah

gritty scaffold
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alr so i let tran be my rocker

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id just wonder if i use pasho tran here or ig keep lefties

cobalt vigil
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Lead Tran is sash most of the time

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Let's say

gritty scaffold
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oh i meant on the back

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since im using as a rocker

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im assuming i dont need to set on lead

cobalt vigil
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You can try passho then

naive stump
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the results was this:

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naive stump
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Otherwise, I like the of the team

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Feels like it prob lose to some shit tho

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Weavile looks kinda scary and that tran kinda lose to volcarona

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And I'm not a huge fan of torn RH as ur main answer to kart

tropic schooner
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Id say

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Use a proper water and zap instead of torn

naive stump
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And I dont think u need punish on lando

tropic schooner
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U should be ok enough into mmedi with lando zap proper water

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Imo

naive stump
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And 100% I rather use flame than epower if u go taunt hydreigon here

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Ah

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It's weird lol

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Feels like the best way to build that core

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Is to accept the bad MU and go more offensive

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Like with a more proactive rotom over slowbro

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Man

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How the hell do we not lose to SD glis here lmao

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Like, if we go toxapex

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It's a clean 6-0 glis

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Slowbro prob drop on hazards + glis

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Rotom need to carry z-water and it's still a weird MU

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And ice punch mawile is some huge level of copium lmao

naive stump
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I tried my best lol

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Rain MU is surely awful lol

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And speed control is kinda low, but I think it keep what u wanted to build

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I like the duo of cress + toxapex to cover the weakness of ground + some fire for mawile

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Hydreigon + landorus + toxapex should cover every possible fire

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And I like ur idea of taunt hydreigon

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So I put t-spikes toxapex alongside since it helps hydreigon to really annoy bulkier structure if t-spikes are on the field

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I think SD sucker is the most needed here since it helps against offense MU

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Overall, this is the same structure as ur team, but bulkier

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I'd try and rework this from the ground up

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What would you want to keep?

dense kindle
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hey cyber really quickly, slowpoke mentioned I should do phys def ls pex, what would other 2 moves ideally be?

tribal smelt
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Depends on the given team

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Name the 5 other members

dense kindle
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dense kindle
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it got buried a bit here you go

tribal smelt
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Hate that Lando-T.

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Make it EQ.

dense kindle
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didnt fix it yet

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yeah slowpoke told me that too

tribal smelt
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Two knockers,
Good pivoting,
Hate built in for Kart not Rona..

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LS Scald haze/ toxic recover.

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The choice comes down to how comfortable you are with toxic sequencing as the LS pex

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Its way more likely to get humbled by Substitute volcarona if you choose Toxic

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Scald ensures you're not staring down deaths head when taking on Shifu + Gking teams

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Since you just scald fish them relentlessly

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Yh

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Do scald haze LS recover first

dense kindle
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aight that should fix it then

tribal smelt
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Make it bold nature as well

dense kindle
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oh oops

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aight thanks man

tribal smelt
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np

vivid kraken
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i can try changing to fake out

naive stump
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i thought it would go well vs volturn structures surprising lando with hp ice and i have drill as hazard removal to check stuff like koko and chansey + cress deals with a good amount of the tier as a good defensive backbone and i have gear to deal with shit that force progress like ash gren weavile like they stay in click a move i threaten x with fairy cm z

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upper plume
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Which gen is this for?

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Also Mega Gengar has always been banned

fickle tulip
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has to be 7 or natdex

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actually its natdex because of the tera types

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What Format Big Bro

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psyshock specs lele

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what is your gameplan vs the move earthquake

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oh

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maybe I should change that so I have one

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maybe I should replace mew with lando-t

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I am just trying to ignore spikes kinda and kill asap

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But it feels like I got a lot of the same offensive coverage

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love scizor

safe forge
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I just wanna know if I can run a diff tyranitar set

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https://pokepast.es/55841209305ccd13

Been running with the team for a while but it really doesn't like weavile, besides mell. Im thinking of subbing rilla for something else to help check the ever present weavile but idk which, any suggestions?

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https://pokepast.es/daf6390378b00663
i really like this team i made, its pretty simple and fun but i feel like i should give something a better physical option to have more of a chance vs blissey, would like to hear thoughts

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i remember asking quite a while ago about a gen 4 ou team, and was recommended this team, but its been quite a long time since, and i wanted to ask about the roles each pokemon has, like empoleon being the lead of course, and tyranitar switching in on special attacks and pursuit trapping, but i want to know the others’ roles so i can use them effectively

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the team really lacks a backbone

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especially with lando overburdened with rocks and defog

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And it isn't aggressive enough to stop (strong pokemon) claiming a kill and just pivoting into a defensive pokemon to deny something happening in return

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Not to sure what do to with this squad

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It does not break that well and the defensive backbone is not that solid

silent edge
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Any raters here.

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Hmm

naive stump
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Ah, yh, slowpoke fan already gave me a quick rating in pm

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But, yh, it's true I dont deal well at all with ferro

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And kart as well

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But what he said, and I agree with them, is that I dont get the

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Hum

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Proper mindset to build in SS

tribal smelt
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Ah alr, root issue to me is that I would want a heatran somewhere and that this team at large hates grasses
Torn T rotom W lando Clef Heatran is pretty flexible when messing around with sets

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And the last is p flexible there

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Rotom W gives paralysis support and threatens to wincon some gamestates

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While being a bulky water that can to some extent ignore hazards helps

tribal smelt
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And its extremely weak to Clefable

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Moonblast knock off neuters a whole lot of your gamepathing

tribal smelt
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Tempo game + wincons work but you need some specificity

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Like imo clef torn T NP rotom W lando Heatran Pult seems like it can give that some immense leeway

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Fake being voltturn spam, spam para and give pult lots of angles to spam shadow ball

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Twave rocks clef is natural there asw

tropic schooner
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quick fix

tribal smelt
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@naive stump like imo
Standard 352 torn T
Modest pult
Toxic defog lando
Standard rocks heatran
Knock twave clef
NP rotom W

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Seems p strong

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And annoying as a balance

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Just para the fuck out of them essentially

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With tox from heatran and lando as ways to manage their ground types

naive stump
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Yh, I like that six cyber

tropic schooner
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amoong in general is not at all a good mon

naive stump
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Yh, I thought it would be good to compress whataver rain + urshifu + rilla MU I was facing (with ebutton for the momentum)

tropic schooner
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if you really wanna do that

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run tangrowth

naive stump
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But it was too hard to properly bring it on the field and click spore lol

tropic schooner
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way better pokemon

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has actual ways to deal damage

naive stump
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  • not having a move to pressure ferro is just sad
tropic schooner
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you can even run focus blast for ferro

tribal smelt
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Meh amoong and tang are similar imo

tropic schooner
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take this to compgen btw

naive stump
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Well, idea was to use it to cover t-spikes and not relying too much on lando to deal with toxa non sense as well

tribal smelt
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Oh yh mb

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We are actually just talking ss in here

naive stump
tribal smelt
naive stump
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Double defog?

tribal smelt
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Double defog or you run toxic rocks/knock eq u turn lando

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Fun moveset

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If you go toxic rocks route you get to run protect heatran

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If you go toxic knock heatran has to be the rocker

naive stump
tribal smelt
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Yep
Consider lefties on Clefable

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Err

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Mb rotom w

naive stump
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yh

tribal smelt
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Can also do toxic protect heatran

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Up to you

naive stump
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I was running magnet for that OHKO on pex after rocks

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but lefto might be better in the long run

tribal smelt
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Taunt is a bit better since it annihilates volcaronas getting cute

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And idk you have a heatran

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One wrong turn from pex and its dead

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One issue might be a lack of physoff but idk you manage fine with it here

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Just trap their bliss and spam good moves

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Toxic magma ep taunt as a fully dedicated trapper is also ok

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Lots of branching paths

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@naive stump tldr you have options with the build and most are good.

naive stump
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yh

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I will keep the team like that and see from here

tribal smelt
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<3

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I think the team is unable to win against most fat and semi-stall

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While the defensive core looks alright on paper, the fact it kinda do nothing in term of progress is also problematic

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Also, if ur using defensive volc, u def to stack more defogger in the mix

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Esp if the sole defogger is Tapu Fini and Toxapex has a billion of ways to set-up t-spikes

silent edge
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Or gliscor

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But I'm not sure if that solves the progress issue against fatter balance teams or stall

naive stump
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Oh yh

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I didn't even notice ur team was ground-less lol

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But like, this is not solving that much

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Like, ur volc set is walled by chansey or toxapex

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And kart scarf has a bunch of soft-check, if not some hard counter such as skarm

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My point is that u dont have any ways to break a team

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That would consist of

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Let's say, toxa + glis

silent edge
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Yeah I've been trying to find ways, like mega mawile, mega medi, banded kart, specs gren etc.

naive stump
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Well, all of them are good idea

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But need to stick to one of those idea

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And try to support it with a proper structure

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With ur squad, it's obvious that ur team dont exactly have a clear purpose

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Like, if it's CM tias, then ur team should way to force damage on scizor, ttar, ...

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If it's volcarona, same, need to force progress on toxa, chansey, ...

silent edge
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Hmm maybe use band kart, and swap tangrowth out for some speed control as glisc + fini + heatran seems fine defensively

naive stump
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Prob not glis tho

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But I would say

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Before picking any defensive backbone

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Need first to ensure that kart band will be enough to win against fatter playstyle

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Like, what u want to avoid the most

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Is just a balance/semi-stall that will simply rotate his walls against ur threats

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And outvalue ur squad with hazards or better staying power

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Let's say kartana band

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It's a good breaker but it will obviously have some counter or ways to play around

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Like torn, skarm, ferro + skarm, tias, mag

silent edge
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Mag is a check/counter to kart?

naive stump
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So u need to both:
-not be weak to what stop kart band
-ways to capitalyze of those switchs or bruteforce them

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Magearna can switch on sacred sword and leaf blade

silent edge
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Oh thought you meant zone

naive stump
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And yh

silent edge
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Thought magearna was megearna

naive stump
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Zone is insanely bad for kart

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Since most zone will be scarf

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So, they will usually sac something useless on kart and pick the kill with zone

silent edge
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Maybe lando > glisc

naive stump
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Yh, there's a bit of missmatch with the different parts

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Esp if u are going lando > glis

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Celes only fits sand or balance

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Ur team is lacking a z-moves and a mega

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Moreover, u prob end up losing to KB or medicham

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So, I agree with you to start to use sample teams or something like that

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To get used to the tier first, then try to build again

tribal smelt
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But thats also viable

outer cargo
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I got a gen 6 team centered around sandstorm that might need fixing, but I wanna see how it scales rn

fickle tulip
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send it then

shell ridge
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Really old team from gen 7 i wanted to transform it from bo to semi ho and just make it up to the meta

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The idea was really cool of this team

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I wanted to change it to my play style any suggestions

naive stump
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honestly, I like it

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not running defog is a tad suspect here tho

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also, I think medicham is a really awful MU

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how about lando over glis?

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maybe scarf lando

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also, something u could use

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is SP CM tias

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with a z on gren that lure toxapex

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tbf, considering the pacing of the team

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I can even see latios over latias

shell ridge
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oh

naive stump
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I think the team has some issue into weavile also

shell ridge
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When the meta was still developing in gen 7

naive stump
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well, usually u run bold clef for this MU

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but having calm clef for zam is also cool

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idk

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like I said, u could slot lando scarf over glis

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and maybe rework gren and tias/tios set

shell ridge
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works

naive stump
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but I like the idea of offensive tran here

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otherwise, looks good

shell ridge
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The gliscor max speed

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Is also pretty cool

naive stump
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eh

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not sure what that glis would achieve

shell ridge
naive stump
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ok

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anw, just go lando scarf defog over glis and try tios over tias

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and test different gren and tias/tios sets

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the rest looks fine

rugged fossil
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Using some this like this

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Except

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Ferro > toad

shell ridge
rugged fossil
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And gren was fight Z

shell ridge
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This is from a really old

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Sample from jamvad

rugged fossil
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I can tell

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Nevertheless

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Still usable

shell ridge
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The idea is pretty cool just not upto my playstyle

shell ridge
rugged fossil
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There is

shell ridge
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Usuable

rugged fossil
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Still some

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Pain in the ass mu

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Like

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Mega gyarados ofc

shell ridge
rugged fossil
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Otherwise usable team not bad either

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Jus watch out for

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Tspikes

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And hazards

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You really get

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Crippled down

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By hazard stack

shell ridge
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no defog is a pain since i kinda have to play slowly with the team

rugged fossil
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Btw

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Give gren spikes

shell ridge
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Unless gren gets a really good matchup

rugged fossil
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If you don’t have

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Any defogger urself

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Puts some pressure on opposing hazard stack team

shell ridge
rugged fossil
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Forcing em to defog

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But generally a standard team

shell ridge
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ye

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I wanted to use this for my round 3 in a sm tournament

rugged fossil
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Oh nice

shell ridge
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And see if it works

rugged fossil
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It’s not my idea

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It’s basically

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What whyad uses

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On his version

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V successful on sm ladder

shell ridge
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What do i give up gren

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Gunk shot can’t sensory is a good coverage opinion

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Hydro pump is pump

rugged fossil
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Extra

naive stump
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I think the team is fine like that

shell ridge
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Hp fire is for ferro and kill non scarf kart

naive stump
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I would prefer lando scarf over glis since I think it round up better the team

rugged fossil
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Extra to snipe pex but you will be fine without it

rugged fossil
shell ridge
rugged fossil
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Imo

naive stump
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It's fine but it looks like a tad MU-oriented here

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  • it add defog into the mix
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And it makes exca MU less painful

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But like you said

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The team is correct like that

shell ridge
rugged fossil
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Could work

naive stump
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I dont see where u would put that offensive pressure

rugged fossil
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Potentially

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But

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U loose a

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Win on

naive stump
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Tran is already offensive

rugged fossil
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Wincon

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W tias

naive stump
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And while u could do LO CM clef

rugged fossil
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Listen

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Lemme find

naive stump
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It's hard to sacrifize clef utility here

rugged fossil
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One of whyads replays

shell ridge
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okie

shell ridge
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Lopunny is also very annoying to play against

naive stump
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Yh

shell ridge
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spammable stabs but i can deal with it

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Koko is another one

rugged fossil
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Sorry

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Can’t find any

naive stump
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Koko should be alright

rugged fossil
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Lemme check my own replays

naive stump
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Between ferro or tias

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The only way to make the MU even better would be to force toad/gastro in the comp

rugged fossil
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Here’s the version lol

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Only replay I could find

shell ridge
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Nevermind i am coping

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My bad

naive stump
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Still think it looks a tad frail

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Since it rely on toad + clef

rugged fossil
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What exactly do u mean by

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Tad frail

shell ridge
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My guess

naive stump
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Yh

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Both have low bst

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And u can really feel it sometimes lol

rugged fossil
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Ah I see

naive stump
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This is also what limits glis over lando sometimes

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It's very good at shutting down specific threats but the natural bulk of lando let it being more flexible in every matchs

rugged fossil
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Diyusi

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Built something rn

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Wanna take a look

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It’s like a dual Z reuni lop sand

karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

naive stump
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It's rmt section, so ur team need to be finished or we can take this discussion into pm

gusty jungle
karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gusty jungle
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The team is based around breloom so if the team is actually barely salvageable garbage I would like to keep him

cobalt vigil
# gusty jungle This has felt ok so far but I feel like it could be better https://pokepast.es/1...

The breloom - Pursuit Tyranitar idea is good - the first three is actually a classic core with Heatran - but there are several problems to this team.
Having a scarfer on offense is the rule rather than the exception. Here you are vey weak to Gyarados for example. Tyranitar generally isn't a great lead for an offensive squad, it's forced out by many things and you need it healthy to check special threats midgame.
Midgame Breloom + Scizor is usually bad (spikes weak + Zapdos - Fire-type - Jirachi weak).
CM Leftovers Latias fits on defensive teams.
Belt Infernape doesn't need slack off, especially since you have rapid spin support

Few advices:

  • Remove Scizor for another steel type like Heatran of Jirachi
  • Add a Scarfer
  • Change your lead
  • Change Latias' set or remove it - Zapdos can be nice here
mighty glacier
karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

mighty glacier
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rate

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just for fun

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but i think it could be decent for ladder

rugged fossil
rugged fossil
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What in gods blue planet

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Did u tey to cook

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Mega sceptile is unviable