#Old Gens OU

1 messages · Page 29 of 1

dark basin
#

Ok, thank you so much

#

You really helped me understand the basics of team building

outer birch
#

@peak canyon is a big ssou player

#

idk if he wants to help but compared to me

#

library of alexandria

#

I'm the shelf of books in your house in regards to 8

upper plume
#

what is ur plan vs dragapult

dark basin
#

I'm not sure

dark basin
#

Ok, then what's your team?

outer birch
#

tntblader almost exclusively plays stall

#

which from how you build doesn't seem to be your preference

#

this actually looks like a team I would make to an extent

#

but its an example of teams I make

peak canyon
#

this isnt true, hippo is better using spdef in ssou

#

helps it stomach shadow balls

outer birch
#

ok, I didn't know that

#

also

#

what he has is max hp max attack

umbral raven
#

Adv OU

#

TSS

karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
#

@dark basin if you want good teams I'd recommend you check out the Sample teams

dark basin
#

I feel like my team is all weak to fire, so I get soloed by fire pokemon

upper plume
#

Which team are u using?

outer birch
#

usually used on special offense to get rid of blissey

#

like what does dug beat you want gone

#

magneton?

umbral raven
upper plume
#

your team doesn't necessarily need bliss removed cuz it's so physically offensive

umbral raven
#

Tru ig

#

What Physical walls are good against my team?

#

I think I wanna add sum to beat special walls

tender coral
sour moth
#

hi, can i get a bit of help with my oras ou team

#

i rly like banded weavile, tried to fit specs keldeo, serperior, av torn with it

#

other two i dont rly know what i was doing

#

mega scizor because i wanted a defogger and for metagross

#

heatran for rocks

#

scizor kind of felt like a liability most games though, lopunny still runs through my team and i just get worn down rly fast

toxic gulch
#

Birdspam also kinda smack a couple of these mons...

gritty scaffold
karmic geyserBOT
gritty scaffold
#

Or smogon rmt forum

toxic gulch
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @agile saffron, @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold, @inner mist, @long ginkgo, @worldly walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

toxic gulch
#

Why it always ping so many people, dog...

gritty scaffold
#

I would recommend change toxicroak

#

For a starmie because you need spin

#

Also change fiery dance for hp water on volca

#

If ur gonna use in rain

sour moth
gritty scaffold
#

Np

toxic gulch
gritty scaffold
#

Absolutely no

#

Foretress is bad for ho becayse isnt offensively threatening , slow

#

And toxicroak isnt a good mon on ho to begin with

#

Its too slow , frail

#

If you want to fit a "bug , dragon , frog " theming id recommend just try build with seimstoad then. Btw he only works on sand

toxic gulch
#

Rain team seissmitoad?

#

Man... If only swift swim are still legal...

gritty scaffold
#

I mean its still legal but only with manual rain

toxic gulch
#

Yeah but I also have Politoed in my team, which automatically make it illegal...sadly, the list of "frog like" pokemon are limited

#

There's Venusaur but they're good for sun team not rain

gritty scaffold
#

As i said u can change the team to be a sand and fit seimtoad

toxic gulch
#

Yeah but Tyranitar is not a dragon... I think

#

Ehhhh, i suppose i can make an exception

gritty scaffold
#

You can read if youd like to build a team with it preety sure the analysis isnt outdated

toxic gulch
gritty scaffold
#

Sometimes you cant fit 2 things in 1 team as they dont synergize , thats why we dont rate teams that are like
"No legendaries"

toxic gulch
#

You can! With enough force! And lubrication. Which is a metaphor for the frogs in my team...i still think that toxicroak is decent for rain HO...

toxic gulch
gritty scaffold
#

Its bad

#

Skarm , slowbro , reuniclus , latios , tornadus and more all just kill toxicroak

toxic gulch
#

Nonbeliever, toxicroak is decent! You rarely sees the first two nowadays, and after an sd, sucker punch killed pretty much the rest

#

It's also a good answer to starmie, from my experience

gritty scaffold
#

It will just thunder you

#

And isnt like they can just go chomp

toxic gulch
# gritty scaffold It will just thunder you

Again....Sucker punch. Unless they're running a sash starmie, which i doubt anyone do, sp will OHKO even unboosted
As for garchomp, eh, you can't win everything, although ice punch smack it if i get the correct prediction

gritty scaffold
#

And even if u have good mu vs it theres other stuff like volca aswell

#

Jellycent also walls u. Which theres skarm jelly ho

toxic gulch
#

252+ Atk Life Orb Toxicroak Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Starmie: 250-294 (95.7 - 112.6%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

Unboosted btw. With rock up, it guarantee to one hit ko

toxic gulch
gritty scaffold
#

But toxicroak doesnt have even alot of good mus

toxic gulch
#

Like it's an...okay, check against Keldeo...not great, but it resist the fighting and immune to the water

gritty scaffold
#

Its literraly a bad mon

#

Your like a worse rotom wash by trying to be annoying for rain and losing to everything else. Except rotom can be useful agaisnt ho and sand

toxic gulch
#

Brother, it goods again most frail, fast psychic type, so mon like the latis, zam and starmie.

#

It walled the scald spamming water type

#

And it doesn't even take recoil from life orb cause of dry skin

#

Oh it's also wall like breloom too

#

It's an at least decent mon on rain, dawg

gritty scaffold
#

You dont really wall loom facade or choice band sets still do alot bc ur frail

gritty scaffold
toxic gulch
#

Blasphemy and slander, you take that back, that zesty ahh frog is doing her best

#

It earn the OU placement

proven mango
silent edge
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

silent edge
#

Ill change lando defog to knock off/toxic

upper plume
#

And you have Volc and Dragonite without hazard control

#

Replace Toxicroak with Starmie

#

So that you have a spinner

#

Make Garchomp Yache or Lum so that it is better at taking Ice moves of status

#

And create a plan into lead Rotom W

fickle tulip
#

zap or zera needs toxic

silent edge
#

Hmm so replace zera with something else to handle lando

silent edge
small bridge
#

phys def skarm means switching around things like toxic Milo is gonna be a pain

#

and you definitely can't afford no roar here

umbral raven
#

I tried building a T.S.S team, I'm not great at Gen 3 teambuilding

small bridge
#

there's a lot of good sample teams

#

it's not a bad idea to pick one up first and learn the meta

umbral raven
#

Sounds good.

small bridge
#

there's also a lot of good teams here^ lots of great players like mcmeghan posts their teams

#

@umbral raven

tender coral
# silent edge Hmmm how is this for a volt turn gen 8 ou team https://pokepast.es/41861a5d78eff...

I would just commit to using Zeraora as a late-game sweeper and go with bulk up, its speed tier is elite for those situations when ground types are chunked and don't want to come in on boosted knock offs. You also typically use offensive Zapdos to slap ground types around too - you want to overload opposing ground types instead of being wishy-washy with both of your electric types. I changed Heatran to Ferrothorn and Kartana to Tapu Fini as your team needed water resists and an alternate stealth rocker pretty badly (Lando doesn't want to run both stealth rock and defog) without losing too much offenisve punch as Tapu Fini is a pretty threatening CM sweeper. I hope these changes help!

Pokepaste: https://pokepast.es/7977fa30549aa740

#

Ferro set is awkward but you really don't want to die to Lele

silent edge
tender coral
toxic gulch
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @agile saffron, @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold, @inner mist, @long ginkgo, @worldly walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

inner mist
#

Mienshao is not a good mon

#

I think I already said this

#

Also this team just dies to Volc

#

Relying on Stone Edge on Mien to revenge kill Volc doesn’t work when it misses most of the time

#

This team also loses to Keldeo

#

Like you have no Fight resist

peak canyon
# sour moth https://pokepast.es/2af648278ffffcb7

id say this team is made infinitely more clunky by the fact msciz is here, defog msciz is only a mon you see on fat/semistall in oras, so you might want to try and rethink your building process here, as you also feel weak to hstack structures which your team cant keep its longevity up against

#

oras tbh only really has 2 splashable forms of removal on offence (latias and excadrill) so that should be your go to defogger outside of fatter teamcomps

upper plume
#

And usually that set is either SD or Sub 3A

#

And yeah I really dislike Mienshao on this team

outer birch
#

stone edge isn't reliable yes but its still an 80% chance

#

most of the time you will be hitting stone edge

#

I'd still agree that you'd want a more reliable volcarona check other than stone edge mien

inner mist
#

Wow thanks for pointing the obvious

#

I am pretty certain you got my point though

outer birch
#

yeah and when you say something thats wrong in a pretty serious channel

#

you should be corrected

inner mist
#

I don't understand why you need to be argumentative when that's not the point

outer birch
#

I'm not trying to start an argument, its just how I talk

#

theres no point in having an argument over something that has only 1 answer

inner mist
#

Well then why are you bringing it up?

outer birch
#

because what you said is wrong

#

you said stone edge misses most of the time, which it doesn't

#

it hits most of the time

inner mist
#

You know what, I am not wasting my time on this

outer birch
#

I wasn't trying to waste your time

#

just correcting you

inner mist
#

Your correcting me on something that doesn't matter

#

Shit I am coming off really condescending, I apologize

#

But like seriously, when I say stuff like: Stone Edge misses most of the time. I don't literally mean that.

inner mist
#

Hippo + Lando defensive just feels like Keld food

#

Hippo teams in general kind of struggle against Keld as it is so adding Lando just stacks up weaknesses

sour moth
mossy plinth
#

https://pokepast.es/b306dd162cee9a59
g7ou just hit 1500 feels good, need someone to point out weaknesses. I havent been having a lot of trouble with any specific mon. debating on changing hp on volc since i havent been seeing a lot of fire frog. +Chams been carrying a lot

silent edge
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

hasty ingot
#

Tho toxic > knock on lando I think

#

You have enough knock

silent edge
tender coral
# silent edge https://pokepast.es/c20eb0883797e5d9 hmmm how is this?

I think this team has major difficulty with breaking through Ferrothorn - like Dex said, you should make Magnezone ID press to reliably trap and remove it for Kartana to sweep late-game. Besides making Kartana pads, you can consider using speed boost Kartana while making Dragapult specs - it feels like an easier way of facilitating a late-game Kartana sweep than going through all that hassle of paralysing a bunch of stuff with utility Dragapult. Consider running toxic or taunt on Tornadus instead of swapping knock off for toxic on Landorus - you want knock off on Landorus to remove shed shell on Corv against two bird stall structures that use Zapdos as a knock off absorber for Kartana. I also made Slowking mixed to handle offensive ground types and Melmetal better. I hope these changes help!

Pokepaste: https://pokepast.es/bf383f89675e498d

silent edge
#

The kart doesnt work

#

19 atk is too high

gusty jungle
hasty ingot
#

Every single time I see a kart speed boost a breathe a sigh of relief

tender coral
tender coral
silent edge
tender coral
silent edge
#

I killed something with kart and it rose the attack stat instead

small bridge
#

its supposed to be 0 atk evs

pallid turtle
#

Hi! I’ve recently gotten into ADV OU, and I was wondering if there are any issues with my team comp that I’ve missed? I seem to be having trouble into mons like Zapdos and Suicune, along with other HP Grass users, as their coverage can threaten large chunks of my team, but I’m sure there’s probably more potential issues that can be fixed. Sets are smogon samples, highest elo in ADV OU is 1250 and highest elo period is 1640 in SV OU

Paste: https://pokepast.es/6463eced39a04dfb

silent edge
small bridge
#

yes.. but the point of timid kart is to boost speed, if you want damage just use jolly max max kart

polar nacelle
#

this is generally a solid team but i dont think cbtar is ordinary there

#

or at least maybe if you want to use cbtar u could consider using a celebi with leech seed

#

generally you want a celebi with some staying power i think, if ur using cbtar

#

because cbtar needs to switch out on locks

silent edge
turbid hill
#

does anyone know any good gen 6 ou terrak teams?

#

preferably banded terrak

pallid turtle
#

I actually used to run seed celebi and lefties ttar but I decided to swap to these sets for more offensive pressure

#

I really like clicking focus punch on ttar and deleting the mon in front of me, perhaps should I consider running substitute on it instead to keep that up?

#

And maybe dark coverage for the ghosts and psychics that stop it, perhaps instead of hp bug?

#

Dropping seed for cm hp fire on Celebi was specifically done for a better match up against Skarm and other Celebi walls

polar nacelle
#

No need for sub

#

Sub doesnt really help and just deletes your own hp

#

Dark is not useful on a physical tar

#

If you want a better matchup against skarm, then use spdef wow gengar

silent edge
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

silent edge
runic verge
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

polar nacelle
#

It is that you have too many

#

And you should just use a standard skarm set

#

Roar jolteon

#

Decide on whether you want aero or starmie

#

Not both

#

You need a ttar

runic verge
polar nacelle
#

Go find the jolteon team on the sample teams thread

runic verge
tender coral
#

put them into HP

tender coral
# silent edge https://pokepast.es/afc3dd0e5134fc91 Decided to make a different kart team

This is a very good team! I would make Kartana scarf and Rillaboom bulky SD - you already have a lot of firepower with specs Pult and those two, you could use some speed control while unboosted Kartana is still really strong in grassy terrain. I changed Tornadus into Rotom-Wash because your rain and Weavile matchups are unacceptable - at least you can pivot around Rillaboom and Kartana with Landorus and your offensive core. It does leave the team very vulnerable to toxic spikes so you can contemplate making Rotom toxic, Heatran stealth rock and Lando defog. I hope these modifications helped!

Pokepaste: https://pokepast.es/7b729fa32241b684

silent edge
#

Maybe keep taunt on heat to stop pex from setting toxic spikes.

tender coral
young island
#

https://pokepast.es/37ca65a9fa001846

Gen 8 OU. I used to be good at building this when it was still cg but it's been a while, I think I got something decent here tho

If it's not decent then well F it's fine it's been too long lmao

karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

young island
#

On a side note, i've got the sets from smogon but physdef heatran and spdef lando-t are bugging me to understand, can someone explain LMAO

#

(Or if they're not good sets for this team then well m.)

#

I'm presuming lando or maybe tran if i switch to spdef

#

Also ty

#

But didn't you just say nothing switches into pult if it gets a -1 lmao

#

I kinda feel like i'd like spdef tran over physdef here the more i double check this team but i'm uncertain

#

Lmao

#

Oki

#

Same set but colbur?

#

Alright

#

What's colbur for

#

Oh true

#

Oh and uh

#

Who should be the rocker

#

Lando or tran

#

Ok

#

Over taunt or toxic?

#

Figuring over toxic because lando already has toxic, but guessinf

#

Oh okay

#

Anything else?

peak canyon
young island
#

Maybe melmetal but idk, why the question?

orchid tiger
young island
#

Noted lol

#

Yeah i've changed that one

orchid tiger
#

honestly not a huge fan of Tran + lando being ur ghost resist here but ehh whatever

#

Don’t think you really need double defog here’s since it doesn’t really benefit anything here

young island
#

I have double defog?

#

Didn't even notice lol

#

Oh yeah lando + torn

#

I'm dumb

orchid tiger
#

tho tbh I’m also not a fan of cb kart in general these days since u either want scarf or sd, would say a diff primary breaker of sort can work

young island
#

Which one?

orchid tiger
#

Is there anything you been struggling with as u been using the team?

karmic geyserBOT
#
DW OU (Gen 7)

No resources found

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

young island
#

But that's mostly a skill issue i think lmao

orchid tiger
#

Hmm Colbur bro does improve that mu

young island
#

Yeah it does

#

But i don't switch into it

orchid tiger
#

Cause there’s honestly a lot of ways you can go with this

young island
#

I thought melm as a primary breaker but

#

Atp i'm kinda educated guessing at most

orchid tiger
#

Yeah that’s option cause like I said there’s literally a lot of ways we can approach this all with their ups and down

young island
#

Yea lol

orchid tiger
#

Seems like slowpoke fan has some inputs so imma see what they say and bounce off from their ideas

young island
#

Lol

tender coral
# young island https://pokepast.es/37ca65a9fa001846 Gen 8 OU. I used to be good at building th...

This team is definitely decent, but a few things:

1. The Dragapult matchup is incredibly iffy unless you make Heatran specially defensive, which then opens up the Weavile matchup - so I changed Torn-T into stealth rock Clef so Heatran can actually check Pult with toxic/earth power (you want both of those moves if you're relying on Heatran to check it, it also allows you to poison bulky ground types in stall matchups if they don't have shed shell Pex). Heatran uses flash fire here to ensure that the team doesn't die to sub Volcarona.

2. Slowbro now carries colbur berry to take a knock off in a pinch and hit back with scald if Weavile manages to get past Clefable.

3. Dragapult wants a modest nature here to hit some absurd ranges with shadow ball because it's the main source of offence for this team outside of Kartana.

I hope these changes work for you!

young island
#

Modest pult and clef > torn?

#

Cause i already did the others lol

#

Bet thanks

#

Also on the earlier input, kart or melm as a preferred breaker (or another)

#

Cause we were discussing breakers rn and didn't get to details lol

#

(Tyson come back!!!!!!!!!! Lmao)

tender coral
orchid tiger
tender coral
orchid tiger
#

With clef it def improves the pult mu so you can switch around the 3 agaisnt it

young island
#

Yeah i've gone across that one

orchid tiger
#

i woudkve said ttar but me forgot no knock this gen

young island
#

Lol

tender coral
#

and you definitely want double knock here to remove items

orchid tiger
#

Alternatively was even thinking clown > kart or even just sd weav but this can do

tender coral
young island
#

Oh

#

So lando goes

#

Eq knock uturn defog?

orchid tiger
#

Ye

tender coral
#

no, that was what I didn't want you to do

young island
#

Oh

#

Then what do i do

#

Lol

#

Oh wait clef is the 2nd knock

#

Me when i'm slow

tender coral
orchid tiger
#

You also get ice shard to snipe goobers

tender coral
#

might want to greed with adamant too

young island
#

Adamant weav?

tender coral
#

yeah

#

hits crazy rolls

young island
#

Fair enough lol

orchid tiger
#

So we doing Ada and modest pult

tender coral
#

+2 252+ Atk Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragapult: 344-408 (108.5 - 128.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

orchid tiger
#

I guess like that with those two and ice shard will be enough speed control

young island
orchid tiger
#

You cant even fit t wave on clef but yeh that will do tbh

tender coral
orchid tiger
#

Ye

tender coral
#

you have Heatran, Lando, Clef and Slowbro to take hits

young island
#

True

#

Alright, that's all?

tender coral
#

yep!

#

let us know how it does on ladder

young island
#

Bet! Thanks

rich compass
#

https://pokepast.es/993f308047c920be weird team I know, is there anything I should change? Idea is to try to set up a late game mega sceptile sweep as its faster than all non-choiced late game cleaners except mega-zam. celibi is to help into the zam mu and checks similar targets to pex, while it doesn't have regen natural cure makes sure it doesn't stay statused and it has a switch move + future sight (sadly no scald but that shit never burns) gen 7 ou btw

karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

rich compass
upper plume
#

Which is why you won't see it for SM or other gens

stiff sail
#

I would like some feedback

stiff sail
upper plume
#

ok w/e

#

someone will get to it

stiff sail
#

uh

silent edge
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tropic schooner
#

Tbh, kinda mid in speed control and little urshifu punish

#

U prob dont need the lando here

tender coral
# silent edge Hmmm how is this for a tapu lele team https://pokepast.es/cb6b63c957fd37ab

This looks good! Would just swap Garchomp out for defog Tornadus-T so Landorus-T can run the standard stealth rock + knock off set since having two ground types feels a bit redundant (ntm that you don't really want another Pokemon that requires extensive pivoting and defensive support in offensive SD Chomp, you want something that provides the aforementioned things for Weavile and Tapu Lele). Besides making it easier for you to make quick progress (rocks into knock with Lando is probably one of the fastest ways an offence team can get the game rolling), it also allows Heatran to run toxic so it can cripple its switch-ins or put something on a timer in a pinch. Tornadus-T runs taunt here so it can shut down a lot of stuff that rely on status moves to annoy it because you already have adequate knock off support in Landorus-T and CB Weavile. Speaking of CB Weavile, I changed it to a jolly nature as it's more or less your speed control - you don't want to be slower than stuff like opposing Tornadus-T/Weavile here. Tapu Lele runs shadow ball instead of psychic here and it's your big wallbreaker and you don't want fat psychic cores or the rare Shedinja stall walling it. Final tweaks involve making Rotom-W physically defensive and wisp instead of twave + Heatran flame body to shore up the Weavile matchup (CB variants are already bad, but SD sets absolutely tear your original team a new one).

Pokepaste: https://pokepast.es/0dafe9b772dbe919

P.S. Additional reasoning behind the Garchomp -> Tornadus-T swap is that your Kartana matchup was very iffy with the original team.

sullen kayak
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

sullen kayak
#

So how do fix my team

upper plume
#

We don't really have consistent ORAS raters here unfortunately

karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
#

I'd recommend you get your team rated in the ORAS discord or in the Pokemon Showdown room

gritty scaffold
#

Or rmt thread

gusty jungle
#

there's an rmt thread?

gritty scaffold
#

I think so?

topaz sentinel
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

peak canyon
flint ridge
#

Provide more insight?

peak canyon
#

well

peak canyon
polar nacelle
calm spade
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

calm spade
#

idr blaziken being so high on the vr

tender coral
# calm spade https://pokepast.es/74d30d1daac3bcaf Gen 8 OU

This team looks good! There's honestly not much to change besides a few things: you want stealth rock on Ferrothorn since Landorus-T is your defogger while Weavile can run low kick instead of ice shard since Tapu Lele's terrain interferes with that and the team is a bit Melmetal weak. Also consider superpower on Melmetal as your team doesn't like repeatedly switching into Ferrothorn. Finally, I would suggest running rocky helmet on Ferrothorn to punish the aforementioned steel types from attacking with their contact moves, you need all the passive damage you can get on those Pokemon since you're not running body press.

Pokepaste: https://pokepast.es/cb87eed593ea6854

#

Heatran is also an issue, but play proactively with this team and you should be fine (especially with SD low kick Weavile)

torpid forge
#

Sm ou

calm spade
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @agile saffron, @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold, @inner mist, @long ginkgo, @worldly walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

calm spade
#

i heard more ppl r using blissey so

calm spade
gritty scaffold
#

I wouldnt recommend in rain exactly

gritty scaffold
#

Blissey is usually on some sand fats

calm spade
#

oh so blissey isnt a rain mon?

gritty scaffold
#

Not really

calm spade
#

what do i replace it with

gritty scaffold
#

Well its usually seen on sand teams

#

U can use either hippo or ttar. But for this team id recommend ttar bc reun can be annoying

#

But at that point ur whole team needs a change i think. Like tenta change to exca , xatu to lando ig? And keep ferro

#

Change gastro to latios specs or cm with like colbur berry

#

The main problem of blissey in rain is that mon is usually only good for rain mus specifically with no keld, even some thundy variants like nasty plot does give bliss alot of trouble

#

It does match up ok into some sand teams , even agaisnt latios but trick can be rough

#

But also xatu , gastro arent rly good rain mons

calm spade
#

ill retry the team

#

i wann atleast build around xatu

gritty scaffold
#

Hm

#

Well xatu only works on sand. Either with ttar or hippo

calm spade
#

oes jellicent work on sand?

#

dum question but i wanna know

gritty scaffold
#

Yea it does

#

Usually with teams that stack spikes

#

Theres a whole archetype called skarmjelly ho where u lead skarm set spikes and jelly blocks

#

Usually ppl run psy spam on those stuff but other mons also work , in those teams u always see scarf latios bc it needs spikes alot

upper plume
#

as for the team you currently have

#

I'm desperately trying not to tell you to add latios

#

go toxic > tspikes on tenta so you can actually have a chance against jellicent

#

xatu doesn't work here

#

chansey > blissey on rain

#

although blissey on rain isn't the worst I guess

#

you also have blissey as your rocker so you don't need rocks ferro

#

lando t is also a huge pain atm so ferro could maybe be skarmory

#

latias > gastro since it's (imo) just a better pokemon

gritty scaffold
#

Isnt latios better?

upper plume
#

latios probably is just fine

inner mist
#

Blissey on Rain isn’t too bad since it’s supposedly decent at dealing with Thundy

#

Only issue is like

#

You don’t really have a plan for Reun

#

It just sets up on you without any pushback

#

I would probably replace Xatu with Sableye to shore up the Psychic weakness

#

Hmm I have a Blissey team with Moltres but idk how good it is

#

Rain Stall isn’t exactly the easiest thing to build

silent edge
#

Is tbis a good attempt at melmetal balance gen 8 ou

karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @peak canyon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

hasty ingot
silent edge
#

I didnt know what to add for the last mon

hasty ingot
#

and since you don't have a ground-type and thus auto-lose to Tapu Koko, replacing Buzzwole with Landorus-T would make sense

#

landorus also lets you not run defog on zap

#

so you can run 3 attack or toxic zap, which is much better than defog

#

yeah lando > buzz and change zap to account for lando being the fogger

#

and i like it!

silent edge
#

Decided to go toxic zap because or urshifu

#

Of*

hasty ingot
#

im not sure I see that logic

#

choice band shifu is def a threat tho

#

as is taunt pads to a lesser extent

#

hmm

#

you'd have to play against it very aggressively

#

could also perhaps go slowbro over one of weav or pult, but that does change the general playstyle a bit

#

though it is probably better

silent edge
#

Hmmm if I change it for pult then doesnt corv kinda wall? Unless volt switch zap is enough. Also slowbro seems like it makes the team weak to banded weav.

#

Unless clef doesnt get 2 hit ko by triple axel

hasty ingot
hasty ingot
tender coral
# silent edge https://pokepast.es/5a78f8478d868226

Made a few changes: https://pokepast.es/abb58e7b93c11c09

1. As Dex suggested, I think Slowbro fits very well here as it gives you a real Urshifu/rain check and can provide Melmetal/Weavile with future sight/teleport support.

2. Made Zapdos offensive volt switch as I think this team appreciates Zapdos being able to offensively pressure things over being a rock-solid grass spam wall.

3. Changed Lando to toxic defog as those moves synergise with each other better.

4. Melmetal carries thunder punch instead of toxic and annoy Corviknight/Skarmory with future sight support.

You can experiment with making Clef CM + thunder for Corv/Pex cores and Lando stealth rock + defog - this team has three boots mons and Clef/Lando so it's not particularly weak to hazards

silent edge
#

It also faces pex well

tender coral
silent edge
#

Fair, but offensive zap also allows melm to run toxic cuz offensive zap covers thorn, corv, and skar

#

Thorn was the big one cuz no one on the team could really hit it that hard, I got slowbro for urshifu so defensive zap felt unnecessary.

torpid forge
mossy plinth
#

First team I’ve made for the format dug invested to survive modest zap hp grass/ice and Modest blissey ice beam. Is Zapdos better than Jolt here? Could also have (beat up?) Char instead of Houndoom pursuit trap might not be worth to clear spikes if they came down

timber lance
#

Houndoom is an interesting choice but honestly I think it's better than zard here

#

Zard is a bit specific, it typically wants sun up to then proceed to threaten everything in the tier with boosted fire blast and even blast burn. Or yknow it can just press belly drum and bully everything like that as well, sun support is very much appreciated though and makes it much more effective

#

And since you're lacking ttar another pursuit user is very much welcome

#

Especially one that matches pretty well against metagross, barring earthquake

#

Only mixed metagross usually drops earthquake so that has to be taken into account

#

now as for zapdos

#

zapdos is generally more consistent than Jolteon, spikes immunity also helps in that regard but if you manage to keep them off the field jolteon has some notable upsides, its faster and doesn't pack an ice or rock weakness, but in exchange its much frailer.

#

other than that tho, I honestly think this is fine. but it really depends on what you want

#

do you wanna commit to removing spikes or largely ignoring them

mossy plinth
timber lance
#

So for zard right

mossy plinth
#

Ye

timber lance
#

There's a couple options, you can forego sun entirely and go fully physical but it does seriously hamper your longevity since you're requiring a belly drum to get anything done

#

And with permanent sand chipping away at your health plus double edge recoil you're on a timer

#

Typically zard runs focus punch double edge any fire move of choice usually fire blast and then belly drum

#

The lack of stab is somewhat made up for by the max attack

#

Your speed tier isn't too great though, it's why it usually runs salac berry

#

However special sets usually sacrifice a slot for sunny day

#

So it sets up its own sun

#

And then just spams fire moves usually with focus punch to deal with blissey

#

It's a very specific sweeper but a very dangerous one against a weakened team

#

You'd need to deal with its possible checks such as aerodactyl suicune swampert etc before it's able to make serious dents in the opposing team

#

it can also run dragon dance or swords dance if you don't want the high risk high reward power of belly drum

#

you can go over to its analysis, although it is a bit old, but its sets have generally stayed similar.

upper plume
#

it also has beat up

#

I definitely think it's not as specific as houndoom

timber lance
#

That's true tbf but it's more like it really only fills 1 role, it fills it well but zard wants to sweep every time its put on a team

#

How it does so is where it's set variety comes in

timber lance
#

I mean if it was more consistent it would actually be OU lol

#

Although uubl pokemon are fine, there's so damn many of them and a fair bit of them are very viable

#

Houndooms main role is pursuit trapping gengar and completely walling most celebi sets it struggles against the waters and dug and any metagross with eq but it is faster than metagross, and also metagross doesn't wanna switch in a lot of the time

#

It has a place and for a team that wants to get rid of hazards, getting rid of gengar is pretty important

upper plume
#

I mean

#

suit tar could also reasonably do the job

#

oh wait this is spikeless nvm

sand hedge
#

DPP OU
Hey! new here, and recently got back to showdown after a long hiatus. trying to build around Machamp, aiming for a balanced team using the zapdos-clef core. https://pokepast.es/4a6ffaa04e99a89c this is what i have so far

karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

sand hedge
#

any advice?

cobalt vigil
# sand hedge any advice?

You are trying to build a paraspam balance team. Couple of suggestions:

  • Zapdos requires you to meet specific criterias in order to be effective. First, you need a spinner like Starmie to remove stealth rock for it. Second, you want to avoid sand when you can help it. Since Machamp does not appreciate sand either I recommend to remove Sand Stream with ScartTar -> Donphan. Starmie is Zapdos' main partner but Donphan has access to Stealth Rock so we can make changes on the rest of the team more easily. It also fits on paraspam and can handle physical attackers.
  • Bronzong -> Wishtect Jirachi will give you more flexibility when trying to deal with offensive threats. Gyro Ball Bronzong is antinomic with paraspam, and it is your sole Steel type which you need to keep healthy long term. You will lead with it. (252 hp, 64 spedef, 32 speed rest in def)
  • Only put 8 speed EVs on Machamp since you are running paraspam
  • You can pump Zapdos' spedef EVs into def since you won't use it to handle special attackers
torpid forge
sand hedge
sullen kayak
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

sullen kayak
#

Any advice to make my team better

cobalt vigil
#

You are trying to build a bulky offense, but the 6 member isn't coherent. My first advice is to try using the sample teams to get a better idea of the tier first. Couple of comment to help you out:

  • Gyarados either needs a Taunt or spin Support, otherwise he's unable to pivot and sweep well
  • Clefable is mismatch pacing wise, Tyranitar or the combination of bulky steel + Latias is the default when trying to answer special attackers or on offense
  • Raikou needs a levitating / steel type as his backup stealth rocker, typically Skarmory
  • I recommend not using this Latias set which cannot hurt clef, a too common threat nowadays
  • This Jirachi prefers a berry most of the time. Using the standard set is most likely more ffective, unless your team has specific needs
    -Swampert prefers and 100% accurate Water stab in Waterfall

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-sample-teams.3687351/ these teams will give you a good introduction on how to chose teammates

Smogon Forums
OU - DPP OU Sample Teams

(banner by Bandkrook)

Hello! This thread is here to archive teams from the DPP metagame and showcase popular playstyles and archetypes. Its aim is to help beginners and intermediate level players become acclimated to the tier, or simply to help anyone in need of a solid team to play.

Please...

floral moat
#

hey! i'm trying to do a walrein hail stall in gen 4 ou. here's what i've got. it's working okay, but some things like metagross just rip through me. i'm also struggling to get the tspikes up every game. any tips / changes? would really appreciate. thanks! https://pokepast.es/4902bb1f62672804

cobalt vigil
# floral moat hey! i'm trying to do a walrein hail stall in gen 4 ou. here's what i've got. it...

Hail is a flawed playstyle, especially if you try to play Walrein. What's following is trying to make this team better, but it won't be enough to make it a great team.

  • You need a switch in to Draco Meteor, and a way to deal with Clefable. The easiest way to fix this is Heatran -> your own Clefable. Clefable is also immune to hail and knocks off opposing Leftovers to help Walrein out.
  • You need at least one Steel type. I suggest Flygon -> defensive Bronzong which offers an immunity to Earthquake and Stealth Rock
  • Rotom -> Magneton. This one is less important, as Rotom's spinblocking abilities are also appealing. This is because Walrein likes when Skarmory, Jirachi and Metagross are weakened. We choose Magneton here over Magnezone because otherwise Gyarados is too much of a threat.
  • Protect -> Focus Punch on Abomasnow and Roar -> Toxic / Super Fang are other options to consider.
floral moat
#

thx!

dawn chasm
#

https://pokepast.es/a05d02deddea8190 a take on ninjask medicham pass for adv ou. Hp grass ttar feels ok sacking it to chunk down swampert to get medicham in eventually but not sure if thats good use of a slot. kind of hoping to find some sort of replacement for lax? its pace mismatch has been hindering the team at times

karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

polar nacelle
#

and neither does lax i think

#

if youre worried about specials, you should be trying to pass to marowak vs zapdos

#

or at least use magneton to neuter zap

#

in any case you dont want sand

dawn chasm
#

what about a milobi core instead of lax ttar?

#

can take out suicune for a different lead

#

wdy suggest is the best answer for bulky waters for a pass team?

dawn chasm
#

no sand feels better ty

polar nacelle
#

no, dont use milobi with ninjask

#

subroar cune is very good for beating bulky waters

upper plume
#

I don't know why raters didn't get pinged

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

gritty scaffold
#

Comp helpers cant ask for rmt apparently just ping 1 of the raters ig

lusty grove
#

um

#

what counters this in gen 4 ou

karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

lusty grove
#

dont take in mind the sets

#

or not change them, i just need to know what mon am i weak to

cobalt vigil
# lusty grove or not change them, i just need to know what mon am i weak to

Incomplete teams will not be rated, if you need help in completing a team ask in ⁠comp-general for assistance.
Your team must be competitive, and you must be willing to have it optimized. We will not stop you from using whatever team you want, but if it’s not competitive, it does not belong here. If you are building a "fun AG team" and don't want to use viable Pokemon because you don't like them, this is the wrong place.

lusty grove
#

uh ok.

floral moat
sullen kayak
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

sullen kayak
#

Any advice to make my team better

upper plume
#

There aren't really that many ORAS OU raters here currently

karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
#

If you go check the ORAS Discord, you can receive help from players who can help you build a team better than what we can help you with

leaden gate
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

sand hedge
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

cobalt vigil
# sand hedge DPP OU https://pokepast.es/5b56c700facad040 tried making a team around sd glisco...

With the combination sd gliscor + scarftar + mr zone, you are pretty much forced to play a balance team. Scarf Tyranitar typically fits on bulkier teams because he requires teammates that can stomach Dragon Dancers such as Gyarados, Dragonite and opposing Tyranitar. Magnezone only reinforces this idea. Latias is a good idea to patch this core's weaknesses but you will prefer a defensive set (You very rarely want 2 scarfers on your team) with Reflect to answer Gyarados, Suicune and Swampert long term. Defensive WishTect (252 hp / 160 def / 64 spedef / 32 spe ) Jirachi will also contribute more to the bulkier nature of the team than its offensive berry versions. Skarmory should be spedef aswell to stomach Draco Meteors more easily. While you don't have to, Clefable instead of Jirachi or Skarmory is a good choice here.

#

you don't need ice beam on Tyranitar now that you have a defensive Latias so you can either put Stealth Rock and lead with it to beat Azelfs or put Stone Edge and keep Skarmory / Jirachi as the lead.

#

Since you are running a balance team, you want to be able to threaten a Gliscor sweep as often as possible vs defensive teams. For this purpose, TFang -> Roost. You can also invest slightly in hp to increase Gliscor's ability to take on physical attackers in a pinch.

sand hedge
#

how much hp investment?

cobalt vigil
#

try 52 HP / 232 attack / 224 + Speed

#

It reaches a leftovers benchmark and you still outpace 90 base stat mons with a positive nature and those sitting at 308 like some Jirachis

sand hedge
#

alright

#

so i should have leftovers instead of yache berry on gliscor?

cobalt vigil
#

yes

sand hedge
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

sand hedge
#

oop

cobalt vigil
#

Yeah this is fine

#

You can also try Twave dpulse on Latias

#

To beat down Swampert and support Jirachi

sand hedge
#

thank u

#

!

mossy plinth
timber lance
#

donphan is solid but imo wouldn't claydol be more consistent in that slot?

#

its also just that bit more specially bulky, it also has an immunity to spikes which is really nice

gritty scaffold
#

And resists fighting moves which is huge in a gen where focus punch is great

timber lance
#

^^

#

donphan does have its uses, its really phyiscally bulky, it can also somewhat reliably hurt dusclops when the other two spinners can't

#

but not being immune to the thing you're trying to remove is annoying

#

not to mention status is crippling

#

this isn't an issue for starmie who has natural cure

#

aside from that tho, this is a pretty decent hard stall team

#

3 mons immune to permanent sand, good spiker, good progress makers, good mons with recovery and supporting moves, really the main issue is spikes rn

#

which is why imo claydol is better because of how reliant you are on keeping spikes off the field and this you'd rather have a mon immune to spikes rather than one that risks being worn down

mossy plinth
#

Somehow I missed Claydol oops

dry bay
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

mossy plinth
dry bay
#

I mean ZardY

mossy plinth
#

Slotting in mega latis help

#

Other then that just keep rocks up

tranquil mango
#

https://pokepast.es/40a5988e631a4c07
I created this team based on Metagross Mega and Keldeo with tank chomp for rocks and phasing in dragon tail, Weavile is used as my other physical attacker, while serperior provides paralysis support and can clean endgame with leaf storm, hidden power fire and substitute to block status and to scout for switches, meanwhile clefable is used as a cleric with wish, aromatheraphy, protect and moonblast for damage, i want to know how to improve this team since i want to ladder up the ORAS ladder with this team or a variation of it
Thanks

karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tranquil mango
strong raft
tranquil mango
#

The moment I posted it appeared and he made a team for me before in gen9 ou so I had to ping him lmao

gritty scaffold
#

I thought he doesnt rate oras anymore

azure torrent
#

I don’t rly have much time to rate yea

#

This team in particular has no way to disrupt hazards

#

But has 5 vulnerable

#

Needs at very least to fit a drill or defog

#

Realistically you can replace a number of Pokemon with a number of options to fit drill or zap or whatever you’d like

#

But i would argue making the clef a less passive set or maybe even fitting rocks on it could free up chomp to become drill

#

Not like you need wish or aroma on a team this proactive anyway

#

Also without a true Keld check, I’d argue +speed meta is best

karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
#

@tranquil mango you could ask in the oras discord to get ur team rated

dry bay
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

dry bay
#

Rate rate

#

I am also thinking on using MLatios instead of latias but I will lack defog

brazen nest
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tranquil mango
upper plume
tranquil mango
#

Oh

#

I thought it was another server

upper plume
#

it is another server

#

its link is in that modal

brazen nest
upper plume
#

they'll come

#

just be patient

dry bay
#

But still wait for the raters to rate this

brazen nest
#

Hmmm

brazen nest
mossy plinth
# brazen nest Gen 7 OU, some one rate it , i want review 🥲

2 is best what is mega lopunny supposed to do (im a lopunny hater) and im not saying dont use it but why escavalier (is it just trying to pursuit trap malakazam, and scout hp for lele? what does it provide thats so valuable over other options to you/your team. Also reuniclus not having regenerator with heal bell blissey and cresselia is just better reuniclus, no uturn on scarf landot, zmove mia lands could appreciate flynium x although you still need speed control. Psyspam and Rain have a lot of fun especially since you have no water resist or weather contest.

dry bay
#

Also lowkey if u running CM reuni, the best item is fight Z

mossy plinth
#

Idk dont see a lot of Reuni. See more Cress since its better at walling and my Mega Medi cries in the corner

#

Refer to this goon instead since im only a resident 1600 stucker

#

Only other thing I'd input would be Metagross seems better as pursuit trapper that doesnt get gooned by focus blast just because it has a functional speed stat with near identical bulk, same atk + mash. Agilgross shenanigans are always fun.

dry bay
# brazen nest Gen 7 OU ( Which team out of these is this best also give opinion how can I impr...

If I were to fix that team, I will slap Fini for Escavalier to check AGren and also a reliable hazard remover since MLop is so prone to hazards, though Lowkey I wanna replace it for MTTar to support Reuni plus having a reliable check against ZardY. Agren > Pink Blob since u need immediate power to break through walls, and Agren is so reliable on wallbreaking or cleaning in the late game. Run standard Scarf on Lando. As for Celesteela, u can replace it to run Steelium Z Excadrill as sand abuser tpo pair well with Mttar, and can also punish fairy types which Greninja can't deal.

https://pokepast.es/14031e5b7a5a291c

karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

dry bay
#

Btw u can also run Zapdos > Landorus since I forgot u need to deal rotom-wash but lando provides decent speed control outside sand. Lastly if u really want, u can run Normalium Z Giga impact > Rock Slide to deal with Rotom. iirc it ohkoes Rotom with +2 Break neck blitz.

+2 252 Atk Excadrill Breakneck Blitz (200 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-Wash: 307-362 (100.9 - 119%) -- guaranteed OHKO

#

If u can't SD, try to chip rotom into half or below half to KO it with raw Breakneck blitz

sage python
#

i know this is rmt, but can i ask for teams in here?

dry bay
sage python
#

gen 7

sage python
dry bay
timid temple
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

timid temple
#

The goal is to toxic and chip down the team so ttar can sweep

#

Moltres is there to take put Skarmory and other fire weak like Metagross, Jirachi, and Celebi if Zapdos is out

#

It’s also a metagross switch in to take a hit for ttar

#

I thought of choice band Flygon as a second cleaner, but stuck to bulky gon

stiff sail
hearty snow
#

ngl I forgot max spa blissey could exist

#

looks cursed to me but that's what looking at different metagames do to me in general

stiff sail
#

yeah thankfully despite nerfs bliss still works with spa investment

#

I chose fortress though to cut some headaches involving skarmory cuz its a pain to use these days

timid temple
#

Blissey likes max special attack to get kills on ice weak I think?

#

And skarmory gets chipped hard from thunderbolts

stiff sail
#

mance specifically yeah

#

thats why I use fortress, granted it is double fire weak

#

so the same threats still apply but to a lesser degree I think

#

I made my fortress intentionally expendable

#

still I feel like bringing bliss in did create a new situation for my team, which makes me consider maybe changing fortress’s moveset to include more goodies, and be a little more useful overall beyond just setting traps and removing them

#

like earthquake to deal with magneton leads

#

in fact I’m gonna do that

timid temple
stiff sail
#

before it didnt matter due to jirachi being a good switch in and me not needing it too much, but now it fills out a defensive core on my team I feel obligated to keep alive

stiff sail
timid temple
#

I’m no Gen 3 team rater, but that would leave them pretty vulnerable and leading to your opponent to get a free switch in, and forcing you to switch out

stiff sail
#

more specifically after getting hit by a magneton hp fire

#

yeah true but I have a nice core going that can help me switch more effectively

#

Plus if they send in physical mons I do kinda get away with sitting in on it while I recover from sleep

#

I’ll try rest and see what happens

#

realizing my team has a lot of ways to safely switch in now

sullen kayak
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @agile saffron, @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold, @inner mist, @long ginkgo, @worldly walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gritty scaffold
#

Why ur using grovyle

sullen kayak
#

I like him

gritty scaffold
#

Secondly wheres ur spinner

gritty scaffold
long ginkgo
gritty scaffold
#

This team autoloses into cloy and volca also

#

I rly dont like ferro here imo

sullen kayak
#

I stop rain politoed from starting rain

gritty scaffold
#

What

#

Worry seed wont reset weather lol

long ginkgo
#

What

sullen kayak
#

Wait I didn’t that

#

Alright I will came my team

gritty scaffold
#

That move is usually only to remove poison heal , magic guard , regenerator

#

Also i rly recommend more bulk evs on ferro

#

Max atk in ferro isnt worth

#

As it will be ur main water move switchin

#

And i wouldnt recommend helmet

#

Maybe lefties

#

And run hp ice in that lando

#

Stone edge is only good on scarf sets and ig sd

upper plume
#

this is just

#

grovyle

gritty scaffold
#

My suggestion for you to fix it would be use a skarm with max atk and speed to be lead theres a set of that in smogon that u can run over ferro and alongside jellycent to spin block over grovyle.

upper plume
#

it's not even good at using eviolite

gritty scaffold
#

At that point pory 2 with eviolite is a better special wall lol. But still jirachi , celebi , blissey are the primarly ones

upper plume
#

alright I'll let you handle it

gritty scaffold
#

Oh dw u can add other suggestions im done already

inner mist
#

Like the 5 here are fine but then there's just Grovyle

timid temple
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

timid temple
#

Gen 3 OU

#

Funny punching bug

#

I like CB because it can potentially get kills on bulky water types and skarm

#

Porygon2 is there since half of my team is weak to dug

#

I think Jirachi could potentially be replaced with CM Celebi instead

#

Kills pert more easily

granite latch
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

polar nacelle
#

Salac zapdos

timid temple
#

Would sd be over bb

polar nacelle
#

Endeavor pert > dug

#

Sd megahorn bb rock slide

#

Jirachi cm psychic fire grass

timid temple
polar nacelle
#

Yes

timid temple
#

I think the one mon I find a little difficult to deal with is lead mence

#

So I think this would help

#

Zapdos does 1v1 in most cases

#

And porygon does kill, but without taking a lot of damage

karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

topaz sentinel
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

topaz sentinel
#

ik this is somewhat similar to one of the sample teams but im trying to make it unique cuz ppl on ladder tend to know the sample teams. not 100% sure w this team yet as i dont have a scarfer and would like to add maybe some emergency hit taker like a bulky water if i can but idk

karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

reef cobalt
#

https://pokepast.es/766159625384e002 gen 4 ou, made some changes from the previous version, but id like advice on what else to fix or change for this team to be as rounded out as i can

cobalt vigil
# topaz sentinel ik this is somewhat similar to one of the sample teams but im trying to make it ...

Make sure that the team being posted is yours; do not ask for a rate for a team you did not build, including sample teams, tour players, and youtubers. This also includes any modifications to the teams, raters will simply tell you to use the original version.

Modifying the original team provides short term results. Using the original build will teach you the most common interaction, hence why we recommend to just use those. You can look at my previous answers for suggestions regarding this sample team.

topaz sentinel
reef cobalt
topaz sentinel
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

cobalt vigil
#

I'd advise against using Tyranitar lead outside of a stall team. Berry pursuit ttar is more of a midgame option pour offensive team than lead.
Breloom + Scizor is often a bad idea (they are both slow, weak to spikes and Fire Weak- Heatran - Jirachi, and faster special attackers such as Suicune and Zapdos come to mind as problems).
Gyarados requires either a Taunt lead or spin support to be effective.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-sample-teams.3687351/
I can recommend the 2nd sample team with Empoleon > Metagross, Hydro Pump/Ice Beam/ Grass Knot/ Aqua Jet

Smogon Forums
OU - DPP OU Sample Teams

(banner by Bandkrook)

Hello! This thread is here to archive teams from the DPP metagame and showcase popular playstyles and archetypes. Its aim is to help beginners and intermediate level players become acclimated to the tier, or simply to help anyone in need of a solid team to play.

Please...

cobalt vigil
topaz sentinel
cobalt vigil
#

You can let it like this. Gengar's EV spreads are highly customizable and it doesn't matter too much which you chose. Again, I would suggest sample teams or shared teams from in the SPL thread for improvement.

reef cobalt
#

also what item?

cobalt vigil
reef cobalt
#

ok! thanks so much!

karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tropic schooner
#

https://pokepast.es/8aa7142d612f69bf just building around fight stack, zwole band is the idea and the rest of the team tries to leverage its weaknesses (zapdos tornt clef pex) only rly unsure abt the torn slot

karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @tribal smelt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tropic schooner
#

and volcarona, which i forgot to mention

#

which is why torn is here mostly

tender coral
#

if anything I think swapping Shifu out for Lele would be my change, but you did say that you want a fighting stack team

tropic schooner
#

hm actually

#

i think im fine if i merely make washer physdef

tender coral
#

yeah

#

consider poison jab instead of EQ

#

makes the Clefable turns less of a headache

tropic schooner
#

felt like pex was too annoying without eq

tribal smelt
#

While also ensuring birds like Zapdos aren't keen on the predict

tender coral
tribal smelt
#

Rocks up + Sball is pretty rough even for Torn T

tender coral
#

also think that Washtom needs to be wisp here unless you're super comfortable with Buzzwole being knocked

tribal smelt
#

In raw blunt fact the team improves with Lele, but if you're going to be stuck in with the build it will be a matter of picking poison with movesets

#

Since I can picture how this wins

#

Voltturn + rocks chomp + two protects to swallow Fsight

#

Taunt Shifu to force Pexes to stay in and manfight

tropic schooner
#

is there like, any chance zeraora is correct here

#

just checking

tribal smelt
#

Let me think

tropic schooner
#

i need smth to threaten modest pult

tender coral
#

hm you could probably run thunder wave with Melmetal here (yes I know that thunder wave + protect is usually ass) and wisp on Washtom

tribal smelt
#

Or do double twave to force hax in the worst match ups

tender coral
tropic schooner
#

that is fair

tribal smelt
#

Torn T will feel mandatory here imo

tropic schooner
#

oh wait

#

oh wait i think i solved it hold on

#

i run the shitty pads melm !

tribal smelt
#

Another option imo

#

Swap Garchomp for Lando

tender coral
#

you want the protect scouting

tribal smelt
#

Lando gives you 2 U turns to keep bringing in Buzzwole Melmetal Shifu

tender coral
#

it's not the end of the world to run a set that is usually suboptimal

tribal smelt
#

While either being second knocker helps or it can be the proprietary thing that clicks toxic

tender coral
tropic schooner
#

yeah i need chomp

tribal smelt
#

Toxic Lando has routes imo
Its sub that 6-0s off of preview

tender coral
#

you want more speed to outspeed Skarm iirc

tropic schooner
#

maybe i dont use shitty sets and the set was removed from analysis

tender coral
#

it's not the end of the world

tropic schooner
tribal smelt
#

I would say ice punch melmetal solves Zapdos thinking

tropic schooner
#

max speed melm is 167. skarm is 176.

tribal smelt
#

I think it was corv he meant

tender coral
tribal smelt
#

Skarm is too fast

#

Oh that makes more sense

#

You'd only need what, 116 something

tropic schooner
#

after twave you always outspeed

tender coral
#

not always, fast Skarms exist

#

some run like 222 speed

tribal smelt
#

221
Bandtar speed creep

tropic schooner
#

then theyre just weird for that and ill happily take my 2hko with zwole cc 👍

tribal smelt
#

Two twaves does sound humble imo

tender coral
tribal smelt
#

Just yellow magic the worst MUs

tender coral
#

agreed

tribal smelt
#

And nah 2 CCs always kills Skarm with band

tender coral
#

but fair

tropic schooner
#

252+ Atk Choice Band Buzzwole Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 72+ Def Skarmory: 219-258 (65.5 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

tribal smelt
#

Rocks up -> If skarm hards in on Buzzwole they take a trillion and have to switch or sack -> if they switch to the Clef you always get Melmetal back in

tropic schooner
#

it still dies after idef

tribal smelt
#

Is the line development I am picturing

tender coral
#

especially with twave support

tribal smelt
#

Plus Twave on two members gives you incredibly annoying routes later on

#

Imagine a pult entry as Rotom W barely clings on and twaves it

#

Thats game

#

@tropic schooner Does this sound like a good plan?

tropic schooner
#

sure

#

twave tank a shadow ball pain split

echo jetty
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

upper plume
vast oracle
# echo jetty Gen 7 OU Trick Room Heracross-Mega : https://pokepast.es/7a7ce2536cb4634c If ...

Full-room like this in general is pretty inconsistent, especially cause mega mawile outclasses mega hera as the mega evo & SD breaker of choice. but team looks generally fine if you want to build around mhera. some changes:

  • Crawdaunt over Azu. Stronger immediate damage (since azu's niche is as a belly drum user) + pressures pex more for this team
  • Mental herb on cress
  • Ice beam over flash cannon on magearna. i'd even go for fairium z + fleur cannon but it's fine
upper plume
cobalt vigil
# upper plume <@322841115944550402> (sry for ping but chatot won't ping you if it comes from a...

There is a mismatch between Heatran (and Starmie to a degree), mons geared towards bulky offense / offense and the core Gyarados-Ttar-Zapdos-Dnite which would fit on Azelf + 5 sweepers.
Option 1: you go for setup spam; ditch Heatran an Starmie, use a suicide lead or an azelf as a follow up to Gyara. I would advise replacing Zapdos for another physical threat to have more chances of brute forcing Swampert / skarm /hippo etc.
Option 2: you go for a standard offense. You can try to replace Zapdos for a mixed Jirachi or Breloom and use a different Tyranitar set, either a berry one or cb. You can drop Dragonite's speed to 247 (scarf flygon at +2) or 244 (Scarftar at +1) to gain bulk.

upper plume
#

I'd probably go with option 2, since I know I could just use Azelf + 5 sweepers if I wanted and wanted to branch out with lead gyara

#

when gaining bulk do you invest in defense or hp?

echo jetty
vast oracle
#

Yeah but RMT is always going for the most optimal & competitively-minded changes, hence why i added the disclaimer; i still kept your choice, & at the end of the day you're free to use whatever mons you please

echo jetty
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

cobalt vigil
upper plume
#

Sounds good

upper plume
#

actually it's super weak into agiligross

#

do I go shuca tran?

cobalt vigil
#

I'd go Chople on Tar and keep the passho on tran

#

Agiligross isn't too common and you can trade with mie +dnite at worst

#

Admittedly you can be Jirachi weak

#

This part of why players favor a steel sweeper over dnite

#

So they don't need to pick this ttar set

#

Overall i think it's fine

#

Here you appreciate a second ground immunity

upper plume
#

I see

#

this is another team idea that I had made before asking you to rate the other team

#

how is this one?

#

I had asked in a different discord about lead gyara and they said that you go spinless w/ lead gyara

#

so I built something in that direction

cobalt vigil
#

Often times you give up spin yeah. On the team you also had dnite which justified starmie's presence.
I think this is better

#

You don't need stalk on lati

#

Breloom has no entry to click spore

#

Modest Latias is also interesting to chuck Ttar / Clef

#

You can try 300 speed DM/ Tbolt and two of Surf-Hwish-Trick and go scarfless

#

And get enough bulk to survive gyara's +1 ice fang after stealth rock

#

You can afford this because you also have Gyara's intimidate and shuca on emp

upper plume
#

scarfless means no scarf rotom?

cobalt vigil
#

No scarf at all

#

Scarf flygon is also interesting

#

I prefer over rotom here

#

Yeah go for flygon

upper plume
#

why scarf flygon over rotom?

cobalt vigil
#

With triple steel you need a ground immu

#

Flygon fits wells on special offense in general

#

Double trick is a bit redundant

#

It's a scarf that can threaten Ttar and Jirachi

upper plume
#

and you also mentioned scarfless

#

would I keep flygon/rotom or would I use a different mon?

cobalt vigil
#

I restrospect triple steel forces you to have an additionnal ground immu and I don't see any non choiced levitating mon fitting here

upper plume
#

could something like a sr boomzong open up that slot as well?

cobalt vigil
#

Something like Jirachi -> Bronzong maybe but I'd recommend the Jirachi Flygon approach more

upper plume
#

alright sounds good

#

ty

mossy plinth
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

upper plume
#

petaya berry dugtrio certainly is a tech

polar nacelle
#

Remove the dug and mag

mossy plinth
random harbor
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

mossy plinth
#

Gliscor EVs are offensive but no Swords dance and has toxic and stealth rocks. Pick defensive or offensive. Better to have max hp instead of speed on Scizor and drop aerial ace with roost. IMO scald better instead of baneful bunker on haze pex. Team isn’t very great though struggles vs psyspam notably and koko/volturn. Likely you can win though and almost anyone can make mid ladder with a sub optimal team if they’re good

random harbor
#

i see

karmic geyserBOT
peak phoenix
#

I'm trying bulky offense for gen 4. I'm building around Latias with calm mind + 2 attacks, dragon pulse and surf. I'm fairly confident in Skarmory, Heatran and Swampert being good pairs but not sure about breloom and zapdos. For breloom specifically I'm hoping mach punch eliminates Weavile and Tyranitar. Zapdos I love the Heat Wave against steel types and its choice specs STAB thunderbolt against bulky water types. But Zapdos seems very weak against stealth rock

#

I like how resistant the team feels to toxic spikes though :]

vivid kraken
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

mellow prism
#

Yo

#

Im new to competitive pvp which sample team do u think would be best to pick?

#

for gen 7 ou

gusty jungle
#

they're all good for beginners

cobalt vigil
# peak phoenix I'm trying bulky offense for gen 4. I'm building around Latias with calm mind + ...

The problem with CM latias is it's easily forced out by Steel-types, notably Jirachi, and it's Ttar food (even if you run Surf). Therefore CM Lati fits on defensive spikes teams such as Scarf Tyranitar Stall, where it can wait for its checks to be worn down; you can see a 6 of Scarftar stall in the sample teams https://pokepast.es/6c92e54414b04c32. CM Latias most often run HP Fire with 330 speed and a bit of speA investment to pressure Clefable and finish off Steel types more easily.

torn nimbus
#

we do a slight amount of trolling

Screenshot_20240420_084420_Chrome.jpg
gusty jungle
#

!pokepaste

karmic geyserBOT
#

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1158775180735291453/pokepaste1.png?ex=651d78fc&is=651c277c&hm=5d0b952a78e50b944a63f5e16a9006dffbf6f8fe900cede444f1c65b965a064a&

You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1158775180492013660/pokepaste2.png?ex=651d78fc&is=651c277c&hm=2d3caf4b912c30f438c896f0b696d9c80bd50d9e5a4a8ed067bca9e5dbf6ff3c&

vivid kraken
karmic geyserBOT
#

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

mint plinth
vivid kraken
#

shed stall?

mint plinth
#

chansey hard walls 4 mons

vivid kraken
#

hard stall is very mu fishy

#

kyurem destroys stall

mint plinth
#

I agree with this

#

however kyurem without outrage doesn't do over 50 to chansey

#

with ur set

vivid kraken
#

uh

#

icium z ohkos

mint plinth
#

but icium z is predictable

vivid kraken
#

thats when u play the game

mint plinth
#

most kyurems do run z ice

#

at least in my expirience on ladder rn

vivid kraken
#

also i have misty terrain so i can never get hit with a status

#

yeah so prob need a suit trapper for

#

shed

mint plinth
#

also, I'm curious, why ice beam on kyurem here

#

you do have 4 special attackers

#

is there something u want to beat?

upper plume
#

I'm guessing it's because it's the Smogon set

vivid kraken
#

u generally run ice beamless kyub with something that can break and beat gliscor

#

ya i could run honeclaws or something but then playing against gliscor will be hard

karmic geyserBOT
mint plinth
#

no no

#

outrage imo

#

hone claws is funny shit

vivid kraken
#

bro

#

outrage is like

#

never used

mint plinth
#

no

#

against stall

vivid kraken
#

😭

mint plinth
#

3 attack kyurem solos stall if poisoned by tspike

#

u have misty

#

so no scald burn

vivid kraken
#

whats outrage hitting that i already cant

mint plinth
#

chansey

#

you beat it 1v1

vivid kraken
#

bro shed is switching into me either way

mint plinth
#

rocks

#

exist

vivid kraken
#

bruh

upper plume
#

Shed into Kyurem Black?

vivid kraken
#

so are we forgetting sableyes existince

mint plinth
#

no I'm not

vivid kraken
mint plinth
#

like it's doable

upper plume
mint plinth
#

wait

#

and that's true

vivid kraken
#

o

mint plinth
#

I'm dum as bricks

vivid kraken
#

yeah ur right

#

it isnt like outrage is beating anything honeclaws cant tho

#

just locks me into it and theyre free to go skarm or sum

upper plume
#

Why are you concerned about an unranked mon anyway

vivid kraken
#

he brought up stall

#

mu

mint plinth
#

chansey calcs

vivid kraken
#

im not concerned about it

#

mu fish selection

upper plume
#

Shed stall is one variant of stall

mint plinth
#

need outrage to 2hko chansey

vivid kraken
#

yeah

#

bro

#

the move

#

honeclaws

#

ok nevermind

#

im not gonna argue this

mint plinth
#

I mean if you want honeclaws then go for it ig

vivid kraken
#

ill stick to ice beam

mint plinth
#

since the decider will be how well it fares on ladder

#

also

#

if ur set is scouted

#

zard x may be a problem

vivid kraken
#

i guess fini doesnt exist

#

xard is literal demon

mint plinth
#

but ur fini is no water move

#

zard always can just not mega turn 1

vivid kraken
#

no water move how would it make a difference

#

i nature madness and taunt

mint plinth
#

and die to eq

vivid kraken
#

shit is doing nothing

#

ok pls stop

#

no offense the things you are telling me i dont find very helpful

mint plinth
#

ok then

#

good day

vast oracle
#

you dont need outrage on KB to beat stall lmao

mint plinth
#

but it helps

vast oracle
#

it doesnt

#

u need all 4 of your moveslot

mint plinth
#

not always

vivid kraken
#

outrage i feel is like useless

mint plinth
#

imo ice beam is not needed if you cover it with the rest of your team

vivid kraken
#

in fairy gens at least its nice in bw

vast oracle
#

outrage is okay if you run like weird CB techs but otherwise standard KB with physical Z or mixed LO dont need it

mint plinth
#

yes it doesn't need it, but I think ice beam is unnessicary on the team he had

#

and outrage could be useful

vast oracle
#

the team weak to gliscor otherwise?

mint plinth
#

no

vivid kraken
#

but i lose to gliscor

#

bruu

mint plinth
#

you just don't tho, you have mega zam and fini

vast oracle
#

sd spdef glisc walls

mint plinth
#

you can play around scor

vivid kraken
#

zam is NOT. a glisc counter

#

neither is fini

mint plinth
#

you don't need a hard counter

vivid kraken
#

fini is swt up fodder