#Old Gens OU

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karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

torpid forge
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so I have faced a bit of an issue with this team that is Cosmic power clefable turned out to be an issue stall in general was pretty frustrating Volcarona and Mega Charizard y could be an issue but mostly stealth rock does the job I tried a few battles in pokemon sd nothing crazy to show most of the games I lost were because of my own misplays but I tried a few battles in myuu where I mostly won but a stored power cosmic power clefable was scary but I crit it

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can any modifications be done?

flint ridge
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cp clef is fish asf

naive stump
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Ur best bet is twave rotom + iron head mag

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And fish for haxx

vestal plank
karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @naive stump, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

torpid forge
naive stump
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Offense being weak to bulky CM-er is not unusual

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And I dont think it's a good idea to modify ur team just to have a slighty better MU against those kind of poke

naive stump
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Idk what do think about this squad

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I dont exactly get why there's a zeraora here

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Or why this KB is scarf as well

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I dont dislike the idea of medi volt turn BO

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With a bulkier core of jira + fini

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On paper at least

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But u def running bad set here and there

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Defog + rocks on lando is just asking lando doing too much

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Zeraora, even with LO, is weak as fuck, lacking of damage and has a terrible staying power

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I really dislike scarf KB

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It's just a waste of the poke

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Esp when u are running scarf with spA

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So not even funny iron head shit to lure diancie

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I think the best might be to rework a bit the overall structure

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Could do some funny shit with z-SD lando rocks over this bulky lando

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Remove zeraora for zapdos to cover the lack of bulk on lando

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And putting whatever scarfer u want here

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Be it jira scarf, vic scarf, kart scarf, ...

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I dont think there's a lot of solution to cover the weakness to rain and volcarone

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My best answer would be to just outplay and pressure both threat with rocks + medi

granite skiff
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over what

toxic gulch
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My very first attemt at rainteam, using Volcarona. How do i do? I'm thinking maybe put Thundy in it, but I'm still not sure. Never built a weather team before (Which is ironic considering what gen i am right now)
https://pokepast.es/58ce25701485c44f

Gen 5 OU

karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold, @inner mist, @long ginkgo. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

inner mist
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This is actually not too bad

upper plume
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the only thing I'll say is that I think toxicroak and volc are just not good on rain

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but that's my opinion

inner mist
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I think they are decent if you are going the Rain HO route

toxic gulch
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Maybe i can put latios in place of Scizor?

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And Thundurus for Croak

inner mist
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Cuz Tenta doesn't really lend itself well for Rain HO

toxic gulch
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Jellicent seems to wall my team pretty hard

toxic gulch
inner mist
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Yeah

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Since this team is going the HO route Tenta doesn't really fit here

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You use Mie in it's place since it's a better spinner for this team

toxic gulch
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To deal with scarm, jirachi and heatran

inner mist
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You probably need a faster rocker though (maybe Lando or Chomp) over Ferro since Ferro is kind of a momentum sink with a team like this

toxic gulch
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Is losing spikes okay, since it does help volca sweep

inner mist
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Ferro is just too awkward of an option for a team like this

toxic gulch
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I see i see

inner mist
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Though tbh I would just recommend using Thundy over Volc since it's a far better wincon

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I would also probably recommend a more offensive variant of Politoed

toxic gulch
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I need to deal with jellicent too... hmm

upper plume
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could use jirachi

inner mist
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Jirachi over what?

upper plume
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ferro

inner mist
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Oh

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Uhh not too sure

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Still feels too awkward

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I was thinking Lando

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And besides you have Scizor anyways

upper plume
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oh right zor

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you also want a scarfer no?

inner mist
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Yeah

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You could either make Poli or Sciz your Scarfer

toxic gulch
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Which one you think better?

inner mist
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Hmm I am honestly not too sure

upper plume
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oh also

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volc should be hp water > sub

inner mist
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Scarf Poli could be interesting but Sciz is probably better for Latios

toxic gulch
upper plume
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yes

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that's the conventional rain volc set

toxic gulch
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Alright

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Do you guys have any set for the mons? I'm still iffy with my ev spread

karmic geyserBOT
inner mist
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I would probably just use Thundy over Volc though since it's a far better Rain Abuser

toxic gulch
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Can i just have both and put scarf on Thundy?

inner mist
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I mean

toxic gulch
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Also for politoed, a more offensive set like this maybe?

Politoed @ Choice Specs
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 24 HP / 252 SpA / 56 SpD / 176 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA

  • Hydro Pump
  • Ice Beam
  • Focus Blast
  • Hidden Power [Grass]
inner mist
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Volc isn't really that great of a Rain abuser anyways

toxic gulch
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Or maybe psychic to hit Tenta

inner mist
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Well my point is

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Volc Rain isn't really that common to begin with

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Cuz Volc is just not a great Rain abuser

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If you want a Hurricane Spammer you would use Tornadus

toxic gulch
toxic gulch
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I'll experiment again later, thanks for the help mates!

naive stump
granite skiff
naive stump
agile saffron
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how can the bot at me when there got a bw rate

gritty scaffold
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Of posting pokepaste and mention gen

gritty scaffold
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And yea you might want scarf latios over toxicroak . I think cb scizor is fine here

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Id prob run some speed evs on it too

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I usually run adamant and try hit 209 speed bar with sciz

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You could prob even try use specs toed on this team

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Since ur going to a more ho rain side

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Oh yea id recommend use power whip ferro over leech seed

silent edge
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Where can I go to get advice on how to start teambuilding for gen 3 ou. Also is the ladder alive.

gritty scaffold
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Or go in adv discord

karmic geyserBOT
gritty scaffold
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And ladder is very active

silent edge
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Deciding between defog T tornado, sd garchomp, tank buzz or band buzz, nasty plot T tornado, and defog lando.

gritty scaffold
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you need to mention the gen when posting pokepaste so u ping the raters

tender coral
# silent edge https://pokepast.es/f5de4cbf8f38f3ae main mon I want to build around is buzzwole...

Interesting team! Buzzwole pairs very nicely with future sight support, I would suggest swapping Fini out for Slowking as they have great synergy together (would also change Buzzwole's set to a defensive one since even that set has a lot of power while giving you great defensive utility against a slew of physical threats). Defog Lando feels like the correct choice here as Heatran is a great stealth rock setter, and the latter should probably run a mixed defensive set to take hits from physical attackers like Weavile in a pinch if Buzzwole goes down early. I would use Zapdos instead of Torn as the rain matchup is a bit concerning once Slowking gets overwhelmed and use Weavile as your swords dance attacker to give the team an offensive check to Dragapult as well as more speed.

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Heatran runs flash fire here because the team feels like it can get cheesed by the sub swarm Volcarona set (you can run flame body though, Weavile is a massive threat in SS OU)

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how the hell do I get the bot to ping the other raters

tender coral
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@tribal smelt @solid cradle

cobalt vigil
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Do no play Gyarados without early Taunt or Spin support. Gyarados is best played during the early game. Empoleon lead cannot not be considered as a Dragon resist as it is not meant to last for long. Berry Tyranitar teams are difficult to build as they tend to be weak to Jirachi. You can try Vay's team from the sample which is similar to yours.

silent edge
tender coral
toxic gulch
gritty scaffold
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when i meant 209 is to scizor hit 209 speed

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Scizor @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 76 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD / 172 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • U-turn
  • Superpower
  • Bullet Punch
  • Pursuit like this
toxic gulch
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Ah i see i see

gritty scaffold
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and id use hp grass on toed and specs , also use latios scarf over toxiccroak

toxic gulch
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Grass on toed?

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For jelly and fellow toed?

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And maybe water/ground like gastro i guess

silent edge
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Knock off probably solves the futuresight issue given if they spend the turn using future sight they lose longevity by losing an item and heat beats out rachi/reuin/glowking but slowking doesnt like zap or weav

upper plume
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they would've had to say "gen 8 ou" or "ss ou" somewhere in the same message as their paste

toxic gulch
karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tender coral
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slap toxic on Slowking and lose all of the other matchups?

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I think defog/toxic Lando is fine + double defog is unnecessary

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just use heat wave on Zapdos if you're not sold on toxic

forest heart
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Just created a gen 4 trick room team and made a few changes like replacing Porygon-Z for Lunatone to later switch Rhyperior for Breelom after noticing my team was too vulnerable to water, and Azumarill for Togekiss...
https://pokepast.es/3e3935b4b15785c0

karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

forest heart
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Banette is surprisingly good so far, questionable part may be flareon

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Also Cresselia

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I think I should make Cresselia physical defense focused since, I just remind, it was special defense focused because of Azumarill and Rhyperior

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Updated

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Breelom had to be slower to face Tyranitar and Heatran

topaz sentinel
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no expert but i think u would benefit frm having bronzong, ttar, and machamp on there

forest heart
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Yeah, I think it needs more offense since I don't have stealth rock, or probably replace Lunatone's toxic for stealth rock

topaz sentinel
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ik every team needs stealth rock to do well, and u can just put rocks on zong or ttar

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zong can also bea good trick room setter cuz its bulky unlike lunatone and can hold its own

forest heart
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When I chose lunatone I was thinking of substitute and baton pass as well as trick room to make some gimmick with cresselia and prove what happens in battle

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Only other pokemon that could do that was spinda

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I'll test out a few battles to see if I make the team less gimmicky or something

topaz sentinel
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Nah cuz when bronzong uses trick room he stays into attack unless it’s walled by the opponent in which case he would switch to another slow mon that could check and kill the opponent and bronzong comes in and sets trick room up again later

leaden gate
karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

leaden gate
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oh i kinda forgot about that huh

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💀

tender coral
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you have three psychic types and zero ghost resistances

leaden gate
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im thinking i drop the last 2

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bisharp over melm?

fickle tulip
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bisharp is not a steel or a dark type

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and you need a steel on most teams

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lele+bro is pretty redundant

tender coral
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get a ground type in for one of them and a different offensive mon (e.g. Dragapult) to fill out the final slot

leaden gate
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is it fine to have lando and zap on the same team?

tender coral
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yes

leaden gate
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might let lando take the defog role instead, i feel like having u turn on zap would be better for momentum

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and drop toxic

tender coral
leaden gate
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alright

tender coral
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heat wave also works, but it's not as good on this build

leaden gate
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like this?

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Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
EVs: 248 HP / 220 Def / 40 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Volt Switch
  • Hurricane
  • Roost
  • Toxic
tender coral
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yeah

leaden gate
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what does 270 speed do by the way

tender coral
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you can run a more offensive spread with 248 HP/152 SPA/108 SPE modest

tender coral
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either go really fast or don't imo

tender coral
leaden gate
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mk

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do i get rocks on tran

tender coral
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yes

leaden gate
tender coral
# leaden gate https://pokepast.es/26a349870c997a75

yeah this more or less okay, consider running some SPD EVs on Slowbro because you want it to handle a variety of rain attackers here (176 SPD EVs force Kingdra to go for max rolls on hydro to 2HKO Slowbro in rain, 228 SPD EVs completely prevent that from happening outside of crits)

leaden gate
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176 spd is 12.5% 2hko im assuming?

tender coral
leaden gate
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yeah that looks fine

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ill make it level 100 then

leaden fiber
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no scarfer seems like a turn off, not sure how this doesnt lose to ghosts

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but, not the ss expert

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like a double ghost team w scarf blace specs pult seems bad.

tender coral
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there also aren't a lot of easy entry points for the ghosts, they're reliant on u-turn/teleport support to get in safely

vivid kraken
karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @naive stump, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

flint ridge
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The mew

cobalt vigil
# forest heart Just created a gen 4 trick room team and made a few changes like replacing Poryg...

Not all pokemon are created equal; you need to use viable options in the metagame. I recommend taking a look at this: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-viability-ranking-mk-v.3683332/
You can make 80%+ of your teams with B3 mons and above.
Trick Room is an unviable playstyle at the tournament level of play, but if you absolutely want to use such playstyle I recommend using Bronzong + 2 trick room supports + 3 sweepers. As user Rhh said, Stealth Rocks are mandatory for a DPP competitive team.
This team thread will give you coherent 6s to help you get more experience with the tier https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-sample-teams.3687351/

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umbral raven
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Here's an advanced OU team

naive stump
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Esp when it's the main way to remove hazards and it can't do anything to any dark

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Which mean that u basically lose long term to hazards + suit

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Also, I fail to see how u are suppose to break chansey

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Even with support of spikes

tribal smelt
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I suppose swapping out the Mew entirely is the line

naive stump
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Any chansey build will either supported with solid hazards control (fog glis for example) or running its own zone

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Ig

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I dont exactly get the idea of the squad

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Like

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The boring way would be to keep clef + gastro + tios + zone ig

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And put better poke instead

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Like skarm + ditto for example

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Issue is that clef + gastro + tios/tias structure always suffer of being very limited with the variation of their own structure

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Some people drop tios with a better offensive mega such as zam

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But it lower ur defensive ability obviously

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Also, I do think skarm is almost mandatory in that kind of structure

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Since spikes is the one making this core remotely annoying

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And skarm also this advantage to soft check a ton of annoying physical threat

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Such as chomp, pert, kart or exca

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So, my advice would be to remove mew

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Add skarm

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Remove ferro

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And put a good filler

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A better psy resist would be good even if lele kinda screw you regardless

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So heatran last makes sense

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Ditto for speed control works

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Reuniclus to provide a slow winco into stall/fat is also a possibility

vivid kraken
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ok thx

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so the abr fat team

naive stump
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But it's still a fairly decent example

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Of how to build around this core

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Like, I made my own variation with weavile + toad > gastro + z-BB skarm

forest heart
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And yeah, it's hard to make trick room viable without enough priority and swap moves

calm spade
karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @weak mirage, @red delta, @night bridge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

calm spade
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i heard gyarados is on the rise

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i saw a similar team with zapdos > jolt and rhydon was replace with sumthing else

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but i think the team with zap is just food for rock slide

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i think the rhydon set is outdated

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i forgot what it runs now

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isnt it leer

night bridge
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@calm spade gyara is terrible, jolteon + rhydon on one team stacks too many weaknesses, it’s kinda hard to give much more than that because this just doesn’t make sense as a team concept

calm spade
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dang

night bridge
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idk who told you gyara is on the rise

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it’s pretty universally considered garbage in ou

calm spade
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why does it have an OU analysis

gritty scaffold
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Its probably outdated , it never should have one in OU to begin with. Idk at this point why smog cant delete analysis from banned users or atleast remove some of these outdated stuff to avoid confusion with new ppl

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And nobody ever uses it in serious tours. Like it just lacks good switch opportunities outside of rest mons which any mon can do that lol , dont do alot of dmg in return , also no recovery , starmie is better in every way

inner mist
night bridge
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lots of things have analyses in tiers they aren’t in but this one in particular was written by a user who was obsessed with useless pokémon like Seaking and who was known to not be particularly good at the game so

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even so the analysis still says gyara is rare and not very good

upper plume
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"A user" worrywhirl

vivid kraken
naive stump
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but I will at least sent u the six

vivid kraken
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ill dm

silent edge
karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

silent edge
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I might use stealth rock over spikes on ferro

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I was thinking lele might be a problem. Would band boom solve that? The original was band boom and sd weav over band weav and sd boom.

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Ye band boom might be the better choice

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And cuz boom is slower than lele its terrain activates second so it can help revenge lele

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hmmm might replace weav tho but with what?

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Ok cool, do I use spdef on melm or is sd boom with heat enough for lele,shifu

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Also should i replace thorn with something else or keep thorn

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And make heat my hazard setter

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Doesnt get tantrum

tender coral
# silent edge Gen 8 ou team https://pokepast.es/0d4e1a1e600bc74d

This team is ground weak, you want Slowbro instead of Toxapex here so you can annoy SD Chomp/Drill/etc (you teleport out into Weavile or Rillaboom if the Garchomp looks like it's getting out of control) while supporting Weavile with future sight. You can also consider running SD on Weavile since heavy-duty boots is a fantastic item for it on teams that don't have the best hazard control like yours. If you want spikes you should put rocks on Heatran, if you don't just run rocks on Ferrothorn.

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other than that it's quite solid, you can run body press on Ferrothorn to help with the Kartana matchup (can be run over power whip or knock off)

silent edge
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Prob need speed control

orchid tiger
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Weavile is the speed control

forest heart
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So well, I got a new team with two versions. It has water and ice triple weakness, but a few patches to try to compensate it

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Both teams are played as a constant switch to try to take advantage of rival's vulnerabilities to use movements like bulk up, swords dance and sunny day or straight up sweep with golem

umbral raven
karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

umbral raven
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Fuck, why'd that ping so many people?

forest heart
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Starmie really bothers a lot but I can switch to Scizor or Golem with sucker punch and see if it works

umbral raven
forest heart
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(I forgot to switch Nidoqueen's leftovers for black sludge btw)

forest heart
upper plume
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@cobalt vigil gl with this one

calm spade
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Molt with no spinner is worrywhirl

umbral raven
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Gonna send this once more, gen 3 OU

forest heart
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Crunch and Dragon Claw are special attacks 🥶

forest heart
# umbral raven https://pokepast.es/0a975139c2128c6a

Only weird thing I've noticed so far is Charizard with substitute. I don't know exactly why a pokemon with so paper defenses would have substitute, but I don't know exactly what I would use to replace since idk about gen 3 meta

umbral raven
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Subpunch go brrrr

leaden fiber
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ok

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let me rate this

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Uh

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heat wave bad and does not actually do anything, your dug set is weird, as you don't actually trap blissey, you probably just shouldn't have a tyranitar on this team

forest heart
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Also have into account you got 3 water and ice weaknesses, you'd probably want to change Zapdos for Jolteon since he can outspeed starmie which is the speediest water in your meta @umbral raven

leaden fiber
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ok

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stop adding random stuff thanks

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👍

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I think if anything you should make this like, sunny zard + dug + something like curselax

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and then sub 404 cune

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Mence is (?) unnecessary unless you want to do like sunnymence, same with zap although zap helps faciliate the dug trap

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You can also do stuff like end reversal heracross cuz you weatherclear but that's a little more on the finnicky side

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can work cuz good cleaner

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if you set it up right

forest heart
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Could also use a grass mon with chlorophyl to take more advantage of sunny day in swaps

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I'd use something like that. Have into account I'm unexpert at gen 3 tho, so change whatever you want

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I forgot roar is minus priority, better forget about it 😅

upper plume
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Bite ArroKek

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Why jolt on spikeless

leaden fiber
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Yea this is not good lol

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Dont do this

forest heart
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Idk, I made a team in a swift

upper plume
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Why do you have Sunny Zard and chloroegg

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And a Tar

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The whole point of those two is to remove sand

leaden fiber
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egg is not a terrible idea

upper plume
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Not to trip over yourself

forest heart
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Sunny zard? Didn't I remove sunny day for charizard?

leaden fiber
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Yea. The team is even worse then

upper plume
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Wait your Zard set is so wack

leaden fiber
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dont worry about it man let me do my thing

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haha

upper plume
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Alright

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Let him cook

forest heart
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If there was a heat rock I'd feel more confident of sunny day teams in gen 3

upper plume
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Aphos.

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Let

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Him

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Cook

forest heart
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Meanwhile I was doing my own gen 3 team to get into the gen

upper plume
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Uh

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Aero is exclusively CB or Sub Liechi

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And Lax doesn't run Psychic

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You also don't need HP investment on a mon with 160 HP

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And idk why there is a Grumpig on my screen

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Not to mention this channel is for full teams of 6

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If you want to get into ADV

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!gen3samples

karmic geyserBOT
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ADV Sample Teams
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3714123/post-9462710
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LC: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3722418/
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upper plume
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I'd recommend checking these out

leaden fiber
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ok

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i am back

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Good Luck. @umbral raven

cobalt vigil
# forest heart https://pokepast.es/d9e201681def9500
  1. Your team must be competitive, and you must be willing to have it optimized. We will not stop you from using whatever team you want, but if it’s not competitive, it does not belong here. If you are building a "fun AG team" and don't want to use viable Pokemon because you don't like them, this is the wrong place.

The metagame is close to 20 years old now and well optimized. Refer to my previous post for adequate ressources.

forest heart
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Well well, I must test out my teams before sharing them here

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Most of my teams are actually meant to be used around 1500 points or less and test out new strategies that could be improved in a future

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Like, I remember how I used to abuse some drifblim gimmick in gen 8 OU to reach 1400 points

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But I think I still need something clarified

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Is this to strictly improve teams that could be used on top or also teams that could work fine on bottom?

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Like to reach 1500 points and leave your team there to switch to another

tender coral
tender coral
cobalt vigil
peak canyon
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maybe use a spdef mag set instead

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and use a move on forre that can hit skarmgar a bit like hp fire

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over protect

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u can even use pursuit on aero over dedge

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But I think there's a couple issue here and there

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Mainly how the team

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Deal very weirdly with medi and lele

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I will sent u instead a team made by a friends

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Which keep ur structure but bettet

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This shit kinda lose to tran, fini and all

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But it's still very consistent into ton of common shit

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gritty scaffold
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You can only post full teams here

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Otherwise ask #comp-general #comp-general-2 to see what can fit on that team

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Okay no worries I'll post it over there and come back with a banger of a team

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Hmm

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i think the lando set is outdated but idk

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also the bro set is colbur not hdb

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# calm spade https://pokepast.es/250c997cf3a444cb Gen 8 OU i have very little gen 8 knowledge

This is actually quite the nice team! Consider making Heatran specially defensive and use mixed Slowking over Slowbro as your team is a bit weak to special wallbreakers like Dragapult and Tapu Lele (it's also vulnerable to certain Volcarona variants that prey on flame body Heatran). I also tweaked Tapu Lele's moveset so it can do what you want it to on this team: destroy passive structures with the right predictions.

https://pokepast.es/829cb501eb858983

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mixed Slowbro is also an option if you're fearful of defence drops from Barraskewda

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i wouldnt recommend using weatherless stall

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ppl either use with hippo or ninetales structures

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some even made hail i think

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ah okay

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ninetales is neat

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i'll experiment, that makes a lot of sense though

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Id prob remove starmie for excadrill , skarm maybe for ninetales

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Usually if ur gonna use ninetales u dont try set spikes

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Instead u switch xatu into ferro/skarm

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Also use taunt on jelly idt toxic is good

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Also put a ballon on jelly otherwise u will have trouble with spinblocking on exca tho ig lefties is fine too

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https://pokepast.es/b6a87de60229c96a gen 4 ou, so i understand that this team just so happens to be one of the sample teams for DPP, but i wasnt sure if the changes i made to like sets like pert, rachi, ttar are still viable/synergize well, cuz i find the rachi set very fun to use, or if there r any better tweeks u recommend like idk max spa gengar, bulky pursuit tar, surf/non scarf latias over healing wish or physical/bulkier pert, ik pert was the lead but i thought gross lead so pert can check ddance ttar for later, and i need something for bronzong/skarm, idk if gross should have occa/sash for tran leads, but do lmk if there r other viable mons over pert and gross

update: unless im not using it correctly, swampert doesnt fit too well here, any good replacements, maybe gross as the rocker and gyara over pert? i struggle against cune and twave rachi/lati

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ill say ive seen much worse

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the lando should be rocks for a start

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thats not a good sign

solid cradle
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not defog

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aw

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not saying that Ferro offence isn't good, but it's weird when your bulky water can't really the best offensive steels in the tier and is running an offensive spread

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I don't think that AV Melm is particularly doing that much for this team while you'd probably prefer a more solid fire type check for your ground so there is less pressure on Fini, so I changed them to Koko (great offensive partner with Weavile) and Garchomp while tweaking with some of the sets (e.g. Fini is defensive instead of scarf, Ferro runs body press to deal with Melmetal more effectively, etc)

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sm ou team

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Also, Lum Cloy is a huge problem for this team.

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Like if it gets in after something gets KOed you are kind of screwed

earnest reef
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If it’s running Toxic then it’s just getting 2HKOed by a +2 Rock Blast

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Like even if it doesn’t 6-0 your team it’s opens so many holes

earnest reef
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fair yeah

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To say nothing about the fact it can potentially crit you at least once

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If you must run stall the I would probably recommend a structure like

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Drill Zone Chansey Amoonguss Slowbro Skarm

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oh and wisp on jelli yeah forgot to fix that

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Ooops I meant Skarm

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I wouldnt use lax and blissey together

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As both have very similar purpose

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Which should I remove then? And who should I add in place?

gritty scaffold
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Im not adv rater sry soo idrk how far can i help. Also i think u need spikes on this team and prob change that zap set

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U can look through analysis when building

polar nacelle
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And use a standard leftovers metagross set

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And then find some way to deal with opposing metagross

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That's 2 bands tho

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And Band Mence Quake can prolly deal enough damage

gritty scaffold
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dug isnt always okhoing metagross but it works . tho becareful bc u prob can only use dug after meta killed something as its too frail to switch on anything

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Milotic over lax maybe or swampert. Id recommend reading analysis before making a team so you get to know better what ur building with , also test in ladder/room tours

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im not sure to use either z rotom or chomp

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sm ou

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Can anyone suggest a team for m alakazam

naive stump
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And I do believe u need Z-normalium on serp if u want the whole gimmick of elec terrain + nature power

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Since it hit harder as well other steel such as mag or tran

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Also, the chomp item is prob a mistake ig

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Idk why u would run tank chomp here either way

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I'm not too sure where to help since I can't identify what was supposed to be the idea of this team

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Ping me later to explain me it pls

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Since it lacks of bulk, low defensive typing profile and average speed makes it very hard to compensate for a balance squad

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Also, skarm + zap seems very redundant and, therefore, unnecessary

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Not to say having zapdos as the sole defog looks very suspect

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Since it means u will have a very hard time to remove rocks from the likes of chomp or lando

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And even toxapex can screw u with just t-spikes + toxic

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My main advice would be to switch the mega for something that fit more the pace of ur balance

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Be it zam or tias

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Then u can prob remove scarf ttar since ur mega should not require the support of pursuit

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With zapdos gone, u need to run a real fairy resist since lele and mag all have a fairy ez time to beat skarm

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The usual pick for this kind of structure is tran

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Maybe mag can fit but the fire immunity into the like of volcarona for example is way too valuable

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Last slot would be some sort of speed control

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Gren, vile or koko seems all fine here

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The best pick will depend of how u run tias here

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Imo, defog tias seems the ideal here and I quite like a lot the core of clef + weavile

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Esp since u can drop rocks on clef and run something to pressure toxapex and scizor

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Like thunder or flame

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Even if, in that case, I would go LO on clef here

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Last little adjustement could be 40 def on gastro with the move counter if zardx happen to be scary for u (which could totally happen here)

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I don't necessarily wanna run tias here zam would be ok?

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Ig

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ok I will do the changes and will share the team

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Life Orb

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Kk

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https://pokepast.es/20f7bcff150a6adc gen 3 ou, would be cool if idont need to make huge replacements, tho ik i dont have any twave spreaders it would be cool to have 1 or 2, idk if this team is particularly weak to anythng big

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One of my friend use it on a funny HO

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Unfortunate

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It's just a bit weird to build around that

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Since u are wasting a moveslot on serp

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And serp really need a very specific moveset to be efficient

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Like leech + sub

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Or fire + glare

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Esp since u have to slot koko alongside this serp

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So it turn into a very weird core of koko + serp

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naive stump
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It might work on HO if u are turning the koko into some double screens shit

vivid kraken
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yeah i thought it could work on scarf

naive stump
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Exca scarf is really a niche pick

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Lefto torn is kinda weird also

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Diancie + volc is a good core obviously tho

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Idk if I would support with something as slow as jira wish + fini core tho

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Like, on paper, u kinda lack of way to pressure chansey squad

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Usually, nowadays, diancie + volc tend to be optimal on very aggresive structure

vivid kraken
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oh ok

naive stump
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Since diancie is an insane cheat momentum button into rocks

naive stump
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The sets are higly customizable ofc

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Very vanilla example of offense featuring diancie + volcarona

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@naive stump

vivid kraken
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oh ok

naive stump
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U have a ton of fini jira structure existing

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Since it's a "splash-able" defensive core

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(even if jira is kinda mid nowadays and the best fini is the one not running defog)

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yeah true

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I feel like u need to run rapid spin on exca here with some sort of bulky spread for the like of mag or koko

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Idk if serp scarf is useful here since torn nicely provide enough speed control I think

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I'm not sure how u could improve the zam/lele MU tho

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Feel like u need some sort of chansey core

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Maybe chansey + slowbro > fini + clef

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Ur tran MU is kinda sus, but between slowbro + zardx, it should be alright

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If u go slowbro here, I believe colbur bro is legit here since weavile is way scarier without clef and fini

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Uxie tanks pretty nicely, mismagius does good for a stall breaker, hera could deal with rottom and gengar as long as my rival is not using some weird fire punch set, aggron always hits hard, venusaur forces some switches and arcanine hits hard as well

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But I have some doubts because I've played with different sets, like changing mismagius' nasty plot for thunder wave, could do better to deal agaisnt latias and gengar

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is this just a uu team with heracross?

forest heart
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Yeah, it's UU lmao

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But somehow it got me to 1300 points in OU

granite latch
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*change rocks x heal Bell on chansey

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forest heart
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Damn, just noticed that

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Guess I didn't knew what natures to chose when I created it

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Hmmm, it looks funny but not competitive at all

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Sorry because I don't have the authority to give advice in dm, but Jirachi and Scizor feels like random stuff out of place

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Instead of any of both, there's swords dance Qwilfish, but you'd have to use a mon with damp rock for it to work

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Also Swampert which is a tank with only grass as a weakness that could replace Jirachi

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And change Azelf, which, being useless without a sash, is unable to set damp rock rain

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I don't know how viable is rain in dpp tho, it's better that a pro advises you

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We dont have oras raters atm

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Id suggest go to oras discord

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Go on smogon rmt thread then i guess

toxic gulch
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I suppose so

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sub seed serp

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i thought removing serp was better

cobalt vigil
# topaz sentinel https://pokepast.es/b6a87de60229c96a gen 4 ou, so i understand that this team ju...

I would advise against using metagross currently as it gives free spikes to Skarm and to some extend takes a steel slot that can't switch into draco (because you are going to boom in the first 5 turns). The simplest answer to sample reworks is to just use the original team because the builder has most likely already tried your attempts / know it's not as efficient . Here you have a lot of grounded mons and you can't afford to get spiked on and 2 win conditions which may be too much. BKC's team gained midgame flexibility with Mixed Jirachi. The team is not "bad" per say but worse, play the original and look at why it works better.

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Rain teams benefits from Choice Specs Kingdra more since it can OHKO most non resists. Zapdos is walled by Latias, Clefable and Blissey making it an inefficient choice. It may be a late game sweeper with Agility / Thunder / Hp / filler but hasn't been pulled off since Latias has returned.
Calm Mind Jirachi does not fit on rain. Bronzong is near mandatory on rain teams due to its set of immunities and resistances and access to Rain Dance.
SD roost Scizor should not be viewed as part of the defensive backbone of the the team, I would advise against using it on rain too.
A build of Azelf / Kingdra / Ludicolo / Bronzong / 2 fillers (Qwilfish + Late game threat)
is the standard for rain

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forest heart
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You can use full hp special defense focused Ludicolo with Rain Dish, Leftovers and

  • Rain Dace
  • Giga Drain
  • Surf
  • Protect
    Then it will be more reliable as a rain settler
forest heart
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Yawn, Knock Off and probably Aqua Jet since it gets like x2.5 boosted in rain with STAB bonus

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It's 2.25

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and also

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utility empo on such an aggressive style of team doesn't mesh

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# forest heart What do you think of Empoleon to settle rain and force switches by the way? I've...

These are more #comp-general or ddp discord specific discussions. Defensive Ludicolo is bad in DPP OU because of Tyranitar, Hippowdon, Clefable and a pace mismatch with the rain playstyle.
I wouldn't use Empoleon as a supporting tool in Rain because Bronzong and Jirachi are way better as Rain dance supports. It may be usable on specific bulky offense squads requiring weather clear but this is complex to build

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If you use it to face hippowdon directly by sure, but even if giga drain wasn't enough, there's bonus surf and who use SPD focused full speed hippo anyways? Luddicolo has the speed advantage

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Another good thing of ludicolo rain dish is that even if your rival has spikes rocks stall he always recovers that hp fast

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By the way, I need reassurance in Qwilfish working without damp rock rain

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It seems it becomes useless once rain ends

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The metagame has been thoroughly explored already; Ludicolo has proved to be an inefficient defensive rain user due do its passivity. Rain Dish is bad because rain isnt permanent and easily cancelable. Defensive Ludicolo will deal ~45% to spedef Hippo (which definitly exists). This is okay but not enough to completely scare him away from pivoting to cancel rain.
DPP rain teams without damp rock are very rare. Bronzong usually carries it.

forest heart
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I changed a few things like replacing uxie for bronzong and removing extreme speed from raikou since empolion has aqua jet

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Extreme speed obligated me to use rash nature and that's not good

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I need to emphasize how important it is for you to use tried and true sets. Take a look at the analyses on the site.
The build above shows you guidelines on how to approach rain.

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Your current isn't competitive as a result of innefficient sets and inappropriate teammates gyarados isn't a rain mon for example)

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https://pokepast.es/e9325bb10fa41873

gen 6 OU, would love some feedback on how to make this team better, im really new to the scene and this is a team i found online and tweaked a bit to my liking

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Now I'm in a bad streak

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Volcarona might want sub or safeguard to fish the toxic Pex matchup harder since you're already loading psychic for it on this structure anyways (haze still bothers you a ton regardless)

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definitely think that you should drop ice shard for low kick if you're not using the standard SD Weavile set

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pex doesn’t like taking modest psychics anyways

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3a chomp means no rocks

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so im hesitant abt it

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consider using light screen zapdos

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or light screen starmie

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or reflect metagross

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I’ll probably go with zapdos

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Screens isn’t a viable playstyle to begin with in gen 3 ou right?

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people have occasionally used it successfully

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but it really requires a lot of thinking

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to make a team where the screens are helpful

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restzap with light screen is one of the more common uses but its still very rare

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some people have made light screen offensive starmie work as a lead

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its pretty bizarre but i think the idea is that you can build a offensive team without special sponging more easily

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ive tried something similar with offensive light screen zapdos

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usually you would want to use it on a mon with moves to spare

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claydol unfortunately isnt one of those

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I see

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Are my breakers ok though or should I replace them with something better?

tender coral
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my main suggestion would be to use lead Mew and 3A Chomp, but your team is honestly very usable

flint ridge
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hmm true

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what’s the lead mew set

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rocks twave beam taunt colbur?

tender coral
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Timid Nature
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yeah you got it

runic rain
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Both possible changes depending on what the team needs

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Also i advise running 248hp 4def 4spd 252+speed

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i dont have the calcs at me but some combined calcs can heighten the chances of mew living, this saved my mew from dykng 2 or 3 times in a 2-3 week spa

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Id recommend aromatherapy/heal bell over twave in chansey

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Since ur using mega brk as ur win condition

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Also ur team cant rly get rid of staus si

flint ridge
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Ts ferro food eh

turbid hill
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Anything else

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Ty

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Is this a good gen 8 ou rain team

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just does too much to be dropped on rain

silent edge
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Ah

tender coral
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your steel should also be Ferro because of the synergy it has with Pelipper, rain is unfortunately quite rigid in this tier

silent edge
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Then I need to probably replace multiple mons to fit it or just maybe replace something like garchomp

tender coral
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Chomp is actually fine here

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you just need to change fire fang to another move (aqua tail is good on rain)

silent edge
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I think Rillaboom -> Ferrothorn and Heatran -> Zapdos would solve a lot of problems on your team

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the Fini is kind of awkward because it doesn't take advantage of rain as hard as more traditional rain staples, but it exists and does at least appreciate its scalds being meatier

silent edge
tender coral
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Got it

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silent edge
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Scarf fini can kinda fix that

tender coral
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yeah

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idk if golt is good on rain but i gave it a shot

gritty scaffold
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@polar nacelle soo the bot dindt ping could u help?

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probably not the worst thing, but I'd probably go sitrus berry or HDB instead of WP to kinda use it like an offensive pult check

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that can maybe win later

calm spade
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alr cool

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Same with Pex, black sludge is better

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shed shell lets skarmory and pex beat magnezone and heatran respectively

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though i havent faced them in a while

silent edge
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And/or hp bug over eq on lax

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Give suicune 401 hp

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It doesnt need so much speed

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in my like 2-ish years of playing gen 8 i thought u needed a ground type

tender coral
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like @hasty ingot said, you don't want to waste rain turns that much and Gastrodon is a pretty big momentum sink as far as ground types go

tender coral
calm spade
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ig so

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not the perfect solution, but the Goltres is now running a bulkier sitrus set (also consider resto chesto) while I swapped Gastro for SD Lando to make the stall matchup less of an autoloss (toxic unaware Clef if they try using it to check Lando)

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Ferro is also SpD so you don't crumple to Lele

flint ridge
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seis as the ground ngl

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That lando set looks cursed

tropic schooner
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seismi sucks

tender coral
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^^^

gritty scaffold
silent edge
tender coral
# silent edge Any raters up?

sorry for missing this! this team actually looks very functional, I honestly don't have much to suggest outside of changing scald on Glowking to ice beam so you don't have to hard switch Lando into offensive Zapdos every time the latter hits the field (you also nail Chomp/Lando harder on the switch/when grassy terrain is up to free up Zone) and reducing Lando's speed IVs (23 lets you still outspeed Crawdaunt) for a slower u-turn since you're not that weak against Ttar

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hope these changes help uwu

silent edge
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Cool, I didnt even think about Ttar given rillaboom. Would you say im weak to psyshock lele or is magnezone enough considering psyshock cant really hurt it.

toxic gulch
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toxic gulch
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Woah that ping like, a lot of people

upper plume
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Yeah that is so many BW raters lol

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Anyway someone else pls take this one

worldly walrus
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I'll take it

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😋

gritty scaffold
worldly walrus
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Ye

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You have a particular weakness to stealth rock

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which is difficult to remove against offensively oriented teams, Toxicroak is also kinda bad bc ur forced to use it on rain which is forced to run tentacruel

gritty scaffold
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i mean isnt even main problem sometimes rain teams does have that with thund and alot of neutral rock mons

worldly walrus
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so then ur just stacking ground weaks

gritty scaffold
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problem is those mons dont synergize at all lol

gritty scaffold
toxic gulch
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Maybe something more HO focused would works?

gritty scaffold
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i still dont like volcarona, toxicroak here imo

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it should be latios , thundurus with agility/substitute either works

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i think you prob should still use defensive toed set but i can see specs working

upper plume
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specs toed is also not it

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and imo volcarona is a bad meme on rain

inner mist
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At least for HO

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Toxicroak isn't great but is decent on Rain HO teams tend to not have too many good Water Resists

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That being said I don't think Ferro synergizes well in Rain HO

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I think something like this can be ok

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The issue here though is that you have to ignore Rotom-W if you want to be creative with Rain

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You also kind of have to concede the Kyu-B MU since your only Dragon-Resist is Scizor

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Especially against Scarf Kyu-B teams

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warped venture
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oh

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I didn't even notice Chatot lol

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also modest scarf lele is too greedy imo; you cant outspeed mzam and the most common scarfer (landot)

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scarf sets does 0 dmg to chansey even w psyshock so i'd make that psychic instead. also w 2 fighters on the team i'd drop focus blast and run something else instead; tbolt to surpise spdef pelli for the rain matchup or nature's madness to chip spdef walls like av mag & chansey on the switch (if you force chansey to click softboiled, you can use it as an opportunity to go into your fighters)

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hasty > naive on kommo to soft check heatran, agren, and volcarona better

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i like mixed defenses av mage nowadays since it just blanket checks even physical attackers for offense; especially for lucha since your landot cant touch it (not even w toxic or hp ice), and you have kommoo as the secondary agren answer

warped venture
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(As in EV spread)

vast oracle
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248/140 the rest in spdef or a combination of spa/speed

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lives +2 lucha hjk after rocks

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and by extension stuff like mpert eq after rocks and mmedi fake out + hjk

warped venture
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Oh
I actually ended up going 140 lol.

vast oracle
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yea the hawlucha benchmark is the most standard one to hit

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cause it helps offense a lot

upper plume
warped venture
toxic gulch
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yeah, but when keldeo comes in for free, it will click secret sword for free, and rotom-w will just get worn down to the point where you're sacking a mon to it every time it comes in

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honestly, the better play is to make alakazam into a latios, especially since shao is your primary speed control

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also improves into thundy t

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rock slide > stone edge on tar if you want to use a rock move

toxic gulch
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I see i see

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A couple months ago, someone mentioned Colbur Latios

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Would that works

upper plume
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it could

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I personally think Specs is better here since you're not using Colbur to wear down Tyranitar for another Psychic type

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or Lum to actually switch into Thundy T Thunder

toxic gulch
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What's the moveset gonna be? Draco, knot, hp fire and recover?

upper plume
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Can just be Draco Surf Pulse Recover

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or CM > Pulse

toxic gulch
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I see, hmm

upper plume
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I do think Ferro will be difficult to remove

toxic gulch
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I only won cause of hax...

upper plume
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Idk why you led Zam there

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It's your get out of jail free card

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Rotom W lead is better

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Even if they lead Ferro, you can burn it at least

topaz sentinel
toxic gulch
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I have no idea. I'm pretty sure his nite is a subset

topaz sentinel
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He knew he was gonna be dead by the third edge and he still roosted

toxic gulch
upper plume
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You can take Keld Secret Sword

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This also plays into the fact

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That Zam should be a Latios

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I also dislike the Ferro set

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Cuz you don't really need Knock Off

toxic gulch
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Power whip then?

upper plume
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Gyro/Twave

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I also don't know if you really need Excadrill

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It can be a Lando T and now you have a second check to Fighters

toxic gulch
# upper plume Gyro/Twave

If i put t-wave on ferro, then should i change Zam t-wave to something else? Maybe knot or encore?

upper plume
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Sure

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I still think Lum/Specs Latios > Alakazam and defensive Lando-T > Excadrill is better

toxic gulch
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Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

  • Spikes
  • Stealth Rock
  • Thunder Wave
  • Gyro Ball
upper plume
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I think Gyro is better tbh since you can now hit something like a Sub Nite

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Do you not have Pwhip

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Yeah ur orig set had Pwhip

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Just go Gyro Pwhip

toxic gulch
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Aight

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I was experimenting earlier with rocky helmet+leech seed to punish spin/u-turn more

upper plume
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I wouldn't do that if Ferro is your sole Dragon resist

toxic gulch
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As for lando in place of excadrill

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Does not having a spinner for the team not gonna be an issue?

upper plume
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Well you do have 3 Spikes immunes and a Regen Poke that resists Rocks

toxic gulch
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I suppose so

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Hmmm, can gliscor fits well into the team?

upper plume
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It can, but you'd rather have Lando T because it pressures more offensively

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And Intimidate helps you more into stuff like Breloom and Terrakion

inner mist
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Mienshao is not a good mon

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If you really wanted to use a Fighting-Type on Sand I would use Terrak

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Terrak actually has defensive utility

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polar mesa
tender coral
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as for Zone, just play proactively against those structures because they usually can't withstand rain assaults that well

tender coral
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can someone please give me some advice on this adv ou team? https://pokepast.es/4e041e64b301f9af this is my first attempt at making a team, the main two awkward feeling pokemon are umbreon and metagross, but ttar could use some tweaking, i was thinking of going pursuit trap but not 100% sure. Maybe aero would work well, idk

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Lead cbmeta and boom i think

sinful sleet
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alr]

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I made the change from ttar to aero, and its night and day. Because I think sand was a little counter productive

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but with boom meta I just sub on breloom

polar mesa
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gusty jungle
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finch never rates blobsad

gritty scaffold
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upper plume
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I'd recommend going to the ORAS Discord @polar mesa

polar mesa
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oh

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and i hardly have time when i got so much going on

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sorry

gusty jungle
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ah sry

leaden gate
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runic rain
# leaden gate https://pokepast.es/9888b64a80dd1420 ssou

Scarf Blace doesn’t really fit into the team. Your hazard removal isn’t consistant enough to prevent it when switching, due to it being on lando and your blacephaleon will take damage from the sandstorm your Ttar sets up

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Also because of the sand chip I think unaware clef doesn’t fit, and you should run magic guard. And generally Calm Mind sets run physical defense, due to already having a good SpD which is furthermore getting boosted by calm mind anyways

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Generally I would also advise running fire blast over Eq on Ttar, because it hits stuff like ferrothorn and celesteela (which it can also Tank hits off bc of the huge SpD in sand)

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Im thinking that you could maybe run dragapult over Blace, already giving you very good speed, strong ghost stab and also fire

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With specs

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Also your landorus shouldn’t be the only one doing ground immun, electric immun and intim and Defog.

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If it’s the only one with too many roles your forced to switch it in a lot, making it take Chip damage very often and dying rather quickly, making you lose many important roles

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You could also run an hdb Pult set with hex

tender coral
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Hello! I dig these kinds of sand balances but I don't think Blacephalon fits here: your defogger doesn't have the longevity to keep hazards off the field in longer games and Blacephalon doesn't need sand chip to die quickly in the first place. You're also very annoyed by rain in general because Ttar doesn't want to switch into water type moves to change the weather and you literally have zero water resists worrywhirl.

I think you should change Lando to SpD (no one uses physdef anymore worrywhirl), Melmetal to protect so you can scout stuff and take advantage of sand chip, Ttar to CB because it gives your team a very nasty combination of attackers that mangoes fatter structures and Clefable into a magic guard utility set. As for Pokemon changes, I would swap out Blacephalon for Slowbro - it patches up your rain weakness very well while providing your physical attackers future sight support.

Pokepaste: https://pokepast.es/1fd9c80182815b1f

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it's a very slow team, but that's why you have so much bulk and thunder wave support to mitigate these issues uwu

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side note: you really want knock off on your teams, I'd say it's nearly mandatory in SS OU

flint ridge
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Don’t this need speed control

tender coral
tender coral
tender coral
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because scarf is good speed control

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Kart being such a good scarfer is obviously bad for it, but a 108 speed scarfer with 151 special attack and spammable STABs is not common

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both are very viable sets

upper plume
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Which gen is this for?

shy plinth
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7

upper plume
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Alright, so just resend that team but in the same msg mention that it's for Gen 7

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That'll notify ppl who are well versed in Gen 7

flint ridge
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Need removal

shy plinth
peak canyon
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id say just make your team synergize more effectively

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also this chomp set is wack

flint ridge
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imo if u wanna run volc reuni

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make lop torn n make chomp glis

torpid forge
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can Mega diancie fit in a hyper offense team without kyurem-black?

gritty scaffold
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um yea it can

peak canyon
scarlet jewel
cobalt vigil
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Cb Tar does not fit on this team, try a dd set instead with chople or passho. This Aero set hasn't aged well, you should play the standard sash set as it's more consistent. You can try no sub and a berry on Gyarados.

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@scarlet jewel

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Suicune naturally dominates these teams and offensive Jirachi is a problem; that's the nature of HO and you can't do much about it.

scarlet jewel
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i see, i will try them tomorrow. thanks

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upper plume
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yeah we're pretty limited in the way of oras raters

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upper plume
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if you go to the oras discord, you might find people that are able to help you get the team rated

lost summit
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Fair

rose snow
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torpid forge
# peak canyon as a lead yeah

I am not able to make one And the team on Smogon I don't exactly prefer.. could you tell me wot mons form a nice core around it? Or A sample team would help a lot

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I have trouble against molt

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is it the team or I'm just bad

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polar nacelle
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Theres a reason the standard 6 for the team you posted is skarmmagmetadol cune bliss

peak canyon
hollow elm
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aight

torpid forge
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Aight

ruby thorn
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my team made it into rmt of the month for bw

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would be appreciated if people checked it out 🙂

small bridge
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share the link

ruby thorn
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Gen 5 - Drizzy Drake Rain - A BW OU Rain Team (Peaked #1 - 1690+ ELO)

Hello, you may not know me so let me introduce myself. You may know me as the ladder rat Cow or the guy that spams specs toed or scarf toed on the ladder. I am a UK player who has only been on smogon for a year and has only started being active in the BW Community for about 3 months now. I don't...

hollow elm
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hollow elm
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trying

proven mango
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upper plume
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80+ Atk w 0 Atk IVs?

tender coral
# proven mango https://pokepast.es/91cdb65f321efd98 is this good?

unfortunately not, you have no steel or ground type and there are a bunch of low viability mons on the team (not saying that they're bad, but you're not going to get a good team if you stuff a bunch of them together)

Bewear and Conkeldurr are niche wallbreakers that require entire teams supporting them (e.g. pivot support via teleport/u-turn/flip turn/volt switch, sturdy defensive cores that can take hits for them, etc) while Umbreon is a defensive mon that fits on bulkier structures who appreciate its wishpassing and unique traits (bulky dark type with access to toxic and foul play), so I would suggest removing the three and checking forum resources on how to build around the core you have in Dragapult/Toxapex/Torn-T first

proven mango
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so build arund drgapult , tox and torn t

tender coral
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more or less

proven mango
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i changed it

tender coral
# proven mango https://pokepast.es/a183f52f38ebdb83

much better! I changed Buzzwole to Landorus-Therian and Diggersby to Tapu Lele to give your team more punch against stall teams (shadow ball is needed for bulky psychic types and Shedinja, you can change thunderbolt to focus blast if Heatran/Melmetal is more of an issue)

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tinkered with Ferrothorn's spread so it can check special attackers like opposing Lele better (you're running gyro ball anyways) and the sets of Pex/Torn to form a sturdier defensive core

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Melmetal matchup is kind of awkward, but you can scald fish with Pex and punish DIB with rocky helmet Ferrothorn

umbral raven
flint ridge
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Kek

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proven mango
dark basin
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(also sorry for the ping)

outer birch
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wow you really like hp

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it is an improvement

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but now its just not that good

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before it was terrible

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so still an improvement

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for that garchomp you might want to do scale shot instead of poison jab, and do max speed jolly nature

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the scizzor don't use focus sash, it has decent bulk (which you are already investing in)

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use like metal coat, life orb, leftovers

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idk about brick break. probably use dual wing beat because you're playing gen 8 and buzzwole hyperwalls your physical threats

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ninetales I don't think fits on this team, also for ninetales you want to use a more supportive set with light clay and aurora veil instead, with speed and hp usually.

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hippowdon is better as max hp max defense physical wall. with moves like
earthquake, whirlwind, stealth rock, slack off

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the dragonite is, interesting

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and I have no comments on volcanion, not a very variable pokemon

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for further questions, don't ask me because I can only give so much on the team structure

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I don't play gen 8 whatsoever