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naive stump Mar 15, 2023, 6:01 PM

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Here

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I think I prefer the team that way

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Wait

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Greninja ash exist

flint ridge Mar 15, 2023, 6:02 PM

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yes

naive stump Mar 15, 2023, 6:03 PM

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Oh well

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AV tang is fine ig here

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Worry seed was funny to catch gliscor here

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https://pokepast.es/2c5e72d1a7d7228c

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That should be "fine" like that

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AV tang is not exactly the best thing ever but its prob the less painful option if we want to keep the whole team

flint ridge Mar 15, 2023, 6:08 PM

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bulu!

naive stump Mar 15, 2023, 6:08 PM

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Medicham is awful but whetever

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Bulu spedef is suspect as usual

flint ridge Mar 15, 2023, 6:09 PM

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tbf i never liked grass types other than kart and ferro

naive stump Mar 15, 2023, 6:09 PM

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Yh

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Maybe amoong sometimes

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Serperior is broken but not my taste

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Issue I got with bulu here is how kart becomes much more dangerous suddendly

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Lopunny is unfunny to build tbh

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Almost each time, you conceide stall MU

flint ridge Mar 15, 2023, 6:12 PM

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this team structure just sucks for mlop

naive stump Mar 15, 2023, 6:13 PM

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Yh, completly

restive sphinx Mar 15, 2023, 6:14 PM

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M Medicham supreme ✊

naive stump Mar 15, 2023, 6:14 PM

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Medicham is something

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For normal people, A/A+ tier

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For empo, S-/S tier

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Anw, this is the main issue when you limit your offensive core to two or three poke

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And two of them are lando scarf and lop kek

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https://pokepast.es/a21499ace4d73db9

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For example, this is something very near of the lop squad

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But gallade + KB is something that have much more punch than lop + KB

restive sphinx Mar 15, 2023, 6:19 PM

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naive stump https://pokepast.es/a21499ace4d73db9

What’s with the seismetoad

naive stump Mar 15, 2023, 6:21 PM

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Toad is a funny poke

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At least, I really like it personally

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Water-immunity is really useful in sm ou

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And toad got lot of utility moves

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Moreover, you abuse usual pivot such mag or rotom

restive sphinx Mar 15, 2023, 6:22 PM

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naive stump And toad got lot of utility moves

Can’t Rotom just trick

naive stump Mar 15, 2023, 6:22 PM

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Rotom scarf is pretty uncommon

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It exist but uncommon

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he need to correctly guess the hard toad on his/her rotom

restive sphinx Mar 15, 2023, 6:23 PM

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naive stump Rotom scarf is pretty uncommon

I like running scarf on Rotom in Gen 6

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It was on aM Charzard Y bait team

naive stump Mar 15, 2023, 6:24 PM

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I mean

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Its a good set

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But it does not mean toad suddendly become unefficient at abusing rotom-wash

glacial grove Mar 15, 2023, 7:00 PM

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https://pokepast.es/f8a38f294c807f29

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Gen 6 OU

restive sphinx Mar 15, 2023, 7:05 PM

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glacial grove https://pokepast.es/f8a38f294c807f29

Mmm I can’t really say much but it looks fine

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I definitely think you should replace drill with lando T since it syngerizes well with Rotom W

glacial grove Mar 15, 2023, 7:06 PM

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Ok

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So you mean like this https://pokepast.es/64975cf1bb6242a2

restive sphinx Mar 15, 2023, 7:27 PM

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glacial grove So you mean like this https://pokepast.es/64975cf1bb6242a2

yeah this looks fine

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im not a professional or high level gen 6 player though so take my advice lightly

leaden fiber Mar 15, 2023, 8:20 PM

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restive sphinx I definitely think you should replace drill with lando T since it syngerizes wel...

me when i tell someone to replace the best mon in oras

restive sphinx Mar 15, 2023, 8:20 PM

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leaden fiber me when i tell someone to replace the best mon in oras

https://tenor.com/view/gentleman-giga-chad-sigma-male-gif-25702945

Tenor

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no thats clef

leaden fiber Mar 15, 2023, 8:20 PM

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it is not

restive sphinx Mar 15, 2023, 8:21 PM

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exa is still really good though

leaden fiber Mar 15, 2023, 8:21 PM

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drill > clef > everything else

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in oras

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anyw, id run mega tar

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and change the clef set

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and keep drill

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and maybe make serp hp rock

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other then that its fine

restive sphinx Mar 15, 2023, 8:25 PM

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@glacial grove

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you got tips

glacial grove Mar 15, 2023, 8:50 PM

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https://pokepast.es/acab5287d29bd29e

glacial grove Mar 15, 2023, 9:06 PM

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restive sphinx you got tips

On what?

restive sphinx Mar 15, 2023, 9:06 PM

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glacial grove On what?

gen 6 team read above

glacial grove Mar 15, 2023, 9:08 PM

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I don't have tips for that team

restive sphinx Mar 15, 2023, 9:09 PM

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leaden fiber drill > clef > everything else

no @glacial grove read here it tells you what to use

glacial grove Mar 15, 2023, 9:10 PM

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Oh

glacial grove Mar 15, 2023, 9:16 PM

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glacial grove https://pokepast.es/acab5287d29bd29e

Anyway I Got Another Team

tacit vigil Mar 15, 2023, 9:39 PM

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glacial grove https://pokepast.es/acab5287d29bd29e

@obtuse prairie @naive stump

naive stump Mar 15, 2023, 9:53 PM

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glacial grove https://pokepast.es/acab5287d29bd29e

Hi

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I dont really like those kind of build

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First of all, zapdos is a very meh defogget imo as "common" rocker such as heatran, garchomp or diancie-mega can easily pressure zapdos and force zapdos to not defog at all

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Moreover, unlike tornadus-therian, zapdos have to roost to remove damage from rocks and that one turn is extremely deadly, esp when your only decent answer to kart band is Zapdos himself

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Another issue I got is how team rely too much on tyranitar to do anything against fat

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That would be fine for me if you got way better hazards control, which is not the case at all here as I already explained before

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Finally, I feel like the whole team is prone to be abused by shit such as serperior

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Sub seed serperior looks like aids for you

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And knock off is death

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I'm not liking rain and medi offense MU as well

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Not sure how to help as I dont get too well the idea behind this squad

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https://pokepast.es/1c31e5c12f91575f

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This is some squad that zomog used during spl

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It keep at least lele, toxa and chansey

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Another possible variant is to make lando iapapa, lele specs, zone z-elec/z-steel and just black sludge

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But this is a fairly "good" six and the kind of structure I already vibe a bit more

austere scarab Mar 16, 2023, 9:36 AM

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can someone share their pokepast for gen 7 ou

gritty scaffold Mar 16, 2023, 2:21 PM

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Anyone to rate gen 3 ou https://pokepast.es/2b6218d3c9b6d35d ive tried to build around lax unsure if is still good

karmic geyserBOT Mar 16, 2023, 2:21 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

restive sphinx Mar 16, 2023, 2:22 PM

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gritty scaffold Anyone to rate gen 3 ou https://pokepast.es/2b6218d3c9b6d35d ive tried to build ...

I see the idea but be wary of using rest on lax bc of the reset glitch

gritty scaffold Mar 16, 2023, 2:23 PM

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Theres a glitch?

restive sphinx Mar 16, 2023, 2:23 PM

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gritty scaffold Theres a glitch?

Rest turns reset on switch out

gritty scaffold Mar 16, 2023, 2:23 PM

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Oo like in bw

restive sphinx Mar 16, 2023, 2:23 PM

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gritty scaffold Oo like in bw

Kinda but I think it works a little bit different

gritty scaffold Mar 16, 2023, 2:23 PM

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thonkang but shouldnt sleep be banned in adv then i think

restive sphinx Mar 16, 2023, 2:23 PM

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You still burned two sleep turns but now you have to burn two more when you Combe back in

restive sphinx Mar 16, 2023, 2:24 PM

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gritty scaffold <:thonkang:308387634819104768> but shouldnt sleep be banned in adv then i think

No it’s only on rest

restive sphinx Mar 16, 2023, 2:24 PM

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restive sphinx You still burned two sleep turns but now you have to burn two more when you Comb...

Also this

gritty scaffold Mar 16, 2023, 2:24 PM

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Oh only rest has that

restive sphinx Mar 16, 2023, 2:24 PM

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Besides that only complaint is gyarados I don’t think it’s great in adv Ou but I may be wrong

polar nacelle Mar 16, 2023, 2:25 PM

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gritty scaffold Theres a glitch?

This is not true

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There is no glitch with rest

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There is only a glitch with sleep talk

gritty scaffold Mar 16, 2023, 2:25 PM

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Oh thank god

restive sphinx Mar 16, 2023, 2:27 PM

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polar nacelle There is only a glitch with sleep talk

Oh doom

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Me spreading misinformation

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https://tenor.com/view/gentleman-giga-chad-sigma-male-gif-25702945

Tenor

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Anyways real helpers are here so imma stop giving tips

polar nacelle Mar 16, 2023, 2:29 PM

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I like the team idea but idt u necessarily have the backbone for cbmeta

gritty scaffold Mar 16, 2023, 2:31 PM

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Oh

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Mayb i should change ttar or someone else

polar nacelle Mar 16, 2023, 2:33 PM

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Try the following changes:
Cbmeta change to protect mash toxic/eq explosion
Mag: add spdef to survive opposing modest mag's hp fire. Take out of speed but keep it timid. Use timid mag to trap other mags that try to trap meta or forre.
Forre: use hp fire > eq or explosion

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Gyarados: rest > taunt

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And give mag magnet imo

gritty scaffold Mar 16, 2023, 2:34 PM

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Yea sure ill try it thanks

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Oo for more power

polar nacelle Mar 16, 2023, 2:34 PM

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Then also use rain dance on smth

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Maybe over hp grass on ttar

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And i would prob use protect on mag

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Oh u have it already

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Ok

gritty scaffold Mar 16, 2023, 2:36 PM

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Mayb i would be weak to swampert but considering i have gyarados mayb i should be fine

polar nacelle Mar 16, 2023, 2:36 PM

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Yea u have a gyarados and if ur meta has toxic u will prob be ok

gritty scaffold Mar 16, 2023, 2:36 PM

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Yea he can prob tank something

polar nacelle Mar 16, 2023, 2:37 PM

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U might also need hp flying on gyarados

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Its not super clear

gritty scaffold Mar 16, 2023, 2:38 PM

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I guess

polar nacelle Mar 16, 2023, 2:38 PM

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The hp fire on forre is to chip skarm and gar into mag and suit range

gritty scaffold Mar 16, 2023, 2:38 PM

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Considering breloom

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Aswell celebi

polar nacelle Mar 16, 2023, 2:39 PM

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Its also possible to use counter over boom on forre

gritty scaffold Mar 16, 2023, 2:39 PM

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Trying to stop to set up a baton pass bein crucial

polar nacelle Mar 16, 2023, 2:40 PM

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Cm pass can be handled by snorlax

gritty scaffold Mar 16, 2023, 2:40 PM

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Alr thanks alot

polar nacelle Mar 16, 2023, 2:41 PM

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Np

restive sphinx Mar 16, 2023, 2:58 PM

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gritty scaffold Trying to stop to set up a baton pass bein crucial

BP chains shouldn’t be an issue they were neutered hard

naive stump Mar 16, 2023, 5:44 PM

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austere scarab can someone share their pokepast for gen 7 ou

Sure

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You can post your team and someone will rate it

austere scarab Mar 16, 2023, 5:50 PM

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naive stump Sure

i want some sample teams

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someone share their private collection

naive stump Mar 16, 2023, 5:52 PM

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Ah

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No one is going to share that easily his/her good squad

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But can take a look at this

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-ou-sample-teams.3695427/

austere scarab Mar 16, 2023, 5:56 PM

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naive stump <https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-ou-sample-teams.3695427/>

already saw

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LETSGO

naive stump Mar 16, 2023, 5:56 PM

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Sorry then kek

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Like I said, any good builder will keep as much as possible his/her stuff private

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(Myself included)

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I dont mind to share stuff time to time

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For project such as teambuild competition for exemple

austere scarab Mar 16, 2023, 5:59 PM

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i need one strong team for this game i play

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zoruapwead

naive stump Mar 16, 2023, 6:02 PM

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I mean, samples squad are more than decent for the majority

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Empo's lop fat is still good atm for example

austere scarab Mar 16, 2023, 6:10 PM

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i need something new and different ... everyone uses the same poke

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well i can put up random stuff together

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but i dont get all kinds of move sets on them

restive sphinx Mar 16, 2023, 6:14 PM

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austere scarab i need something new and different ... everyone uses the same poke

I wonder why

austere scarab Mar 16, 2023, 6:14 PM

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restive sphinx I wonder why

why not

naive stump Mar 16, 2023, 6:19 PM

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austere scarab i need something new and different ... everyone uses the same poke

I mean, I get the feeling

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But the "new and different" take more effort to make it work

austere scarab Mar 16, 2023, 6:20 PM

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yeah

naive stump Mar 16, 2023, 6:20 PM

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I can help a bit but I dont think its a good idea to just sent you random stuff until you get something you like

austere scarab Mar 16, 2023, 6:32 PM

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send me anything

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😒

naive stump Mar 16, 2023, 6:33 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e385a1a089dc7542

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Hf

gritty scaffold Mar 16, 2023, 6:50 PM

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Its hard to try build somethin unique unless u can find some weird niches to fufill a role

leaden fiber Mar 16, 2023, 7:09 PM

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I think you have too many rocks weak mons

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when ur only fogger is zap

hazy grotto Mar 17, 2023, 12:13 AM

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naive stump https://pokepast.es/e385a1a089dc7542

wtf deadass

karmic geyserBOT Mar 17, 2023, 3:33 AM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

hazy grotto Mar 17, 2023, 4:10 AM

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https://pokepast.es/86e2eb67e3b987fd I don’t think lopunny belongs on here so thinking of getting a set up sweeper

austere scarab Mar 17, 2023, 4:26 AM

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naive stump https://pokepast.es/e385a1a089dc7542

thank you for the team

leaden fiber Mar 17, 2023, 5:12 AM

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hazy grotto https://pokepast.es/86e2eb67e3b987fd I don’t think lopunny belongs on here so th...

@naive stump

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:11 AM

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hazy grotto https://pokepast.es/86e2eb67e3b987fd I don’t think lopunny belongs on here so th...

Yh, neither rotom also

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no z-move on sm ou is weird as fuck

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Overall, I dont like at all Zam MU

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And the team is weak to zard-y

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As usual, tias really seems like the pick

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Utility tias with defog for exemple

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Can make the rotom a toxapex with t-spikes for volcarona MU

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And gliscor need to be careful for Zam imo

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Heatran is annoying but I think you might prefer an utility move over CM on clefable

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Something like knock off or twave seems better

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Gliscor + Zone + Hazards Stack already form a solid wincondition

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Zone is fine but I might prefer a z-move set, that way you havr an easier time to trap mawile

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:19 AM

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naive stump And gliscor need to be careful for Zam imo

Suggest good defensive cores

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:25 AM

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rugged fossil Suggest good defensive cores

What playstyle?

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:26 AM

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naive stump What playstyle?

Balanced

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:28 AM

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You prob already know the most efficient

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Well

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I like skarm + clef + gastrodon

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:28 AM

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Yes

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I know

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Bout the popular 2 cores

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Fini + lando + mag
Skarm + clef + gastro

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:29 AM

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Celes + toxa is always good

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Slowbro + chansey is also popular

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Eh

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:29 AM

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Any three pair

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Defensice

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Core

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:29 AM

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I dont like lando mag fini tbf

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Hum

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Tias ferro toxa kek

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:29 AM

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naive stump I dont like lando mag fini tbf

Kinda struggles vs bulu etc

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:29 AM

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Yh

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You have the classic fini jirachi zapdos

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:30 AM

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Ooo

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:30 AM

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Kommo-o + magearna is another one I like

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:30 AM

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That sounds good

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:31 AM

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naive stump Kommo-o + magearna is another one I like

What about a core in a gen

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Where

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Fini

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Magearna

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Kommo o

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And ferro don’t exist

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:31 AM

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Kek

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Would be a weird gen

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I dont know tbh

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:32 AM

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I see

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Slowbro + chansey + skarm ?

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:33 AM

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Prob more zone

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Slowbro chansey zone gliscor filler filler

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:33 AM

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I see

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:33 AM

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naive stump Slowbro chansey zone gliscor filler filler

I’ve seen a team like this

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Mega diancie + weav

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:33 AM

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Yh

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:33 AM

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slowbro + chansey

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:33 AM

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Billion of variation

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:33 AM

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zone + gliscor

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Ye

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:34 AM

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naive stump Billion of variation

Do u recommend using a defensice core without a ground type or dark resist

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:35 AM

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I can understand the no dark resist

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Ugly but fait

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Ground is important

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To avoid losing momentum each time against Volt switch

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:36 AM

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So how would the jirachi + steela + fini would go

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:38 AM

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Lol

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:38 AM

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Without a ground type

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:38 AM

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Jirachi + celesteela

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Are you that afraid of psy-spam?

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And no

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It would suck

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:39 AM

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naive stump Are you that afraid of psy-spam?

No

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:39 AM

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Koko specs

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:39 AM

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U said ground type was important

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And the core looked weak to electric

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:40 AM

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I mean

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Jirachi + celes sounds also just bad

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:40 AM

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I thought u recommended that

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:40 AM

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Both have almost the same check

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:40 AM

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Oh wait nvm

naive stump Mar 17, 2023, 7:40 AM

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Never kek

rugged fossil Mar 17, 2023, 7:40 AM

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It was zap

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Zap + jirachi + fini

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My bad

proven path Mar 17, 2023, 1:23 PM

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https://pokepast.es/f9a0123982890d66

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How does this look

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 2:41 PM

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proven path https://pokepast.es/f9a0123982890d66

Gen. 5?

proven path Mar 17, 2023, 2:41 PM

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Yea

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 2:41 PM

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This is actually a near carbon copy of my team lol lemme paste it hear for you

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https://pokepast.es/b0b37ea47572c21f

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Here I go

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You

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@proven path

proven path Mar 17, 2023, 2:44 PM

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That chomp set is

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Super weird

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 2:44 PM

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proven path Super weird

Not really

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If it’s bc of duel chop it’s to handle sash Pokémon

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And weakened dragons so you’re not choice locked

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Into outrage

proven path Mar 17, 2023, 2:46 PM

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Wait wtf it’s an import

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 2:53 PM

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proven path Wait wtf it’s an import

?

leaden fiber Mar 17, 2023, 3:10 PM

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import is one of the smogon sample sets basically

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but yeah this is sand with no water resist

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@upper plume

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 3:13 PM

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leaden fiber but yeah this is sand with no water resist

I used to have gastro but it didn’t do much

leaden fiber Mar 17, 2023, 3:14 PM

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u have no counterplay to scarf keldeo clicking scald approximately 8 times

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or surf, as the case may be

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 3:16 PM

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leaden fiber u have no counterplay to scarf keldeo clicking scald approximately 8 times

Counter argument:

I clik outrage

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https://tenor.com/view/gentleman-giga-chad-sigma-male-gif-25702945

Tenor

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Is there anything I could replace for gastro then?

leaden fiber Mar 17, 2023, 3:16 PM

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oh i have no clue im j telling u

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@short hedge

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 3:46 PM

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Sup

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Yeah Scarf keld just clicks buttons on ur team

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But the problem with psyspikes is that it's either volcarona or its keldeo

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maybe I shouldn't have pushed ur team in that direction ¯_(ツ)_/¯

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 4:03 PM

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upper plume maybe I shouldn't have pushed ur team in that direction ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 4:04 PM

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psyspikes naturally does well into most rains bc you either wear down keldeo with spikes, or tenta comes in and that's setup opportunity for reun

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 4:19 PM

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upper plume psyspikes naturally does well into most rains bc you either wear down keldeo wit...

This a fatass lie

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Just got pp stalled by cruel as reun 💀

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Literally won until that happened

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 4:26 PM

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Click cm

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It has a lot of pp

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Don't just burn Psychics into sub/tect

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 5:06 PM

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upper plume It has a lot of pp

Rapid spin

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 5:06 PM

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oh yeah huh

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 5:21 PM

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Actually @upper plume if I morphed my team into sand stall do you think it could fair better against rain?

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 5:25 PM

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what do you have in mind?

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 6:20 PM

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upper plume what do you have in mind?

-replace alakazam with toxic recover ice beam surf gastro

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And maybe replace chomp

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And replace knock on Gliscor for toxic

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Bc it hasn’t done much for me

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 6:21 PM

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that seems fine

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 6:22 PM

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If I do replace garchomp it’s gonna be for a rapid spinner

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@upper plume what’s a good rapid spinner that punishes rain or fits the team?

https://pokepast.es/5ee281eda0898b51

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Maybe fortress? Frees spikes on scarm for toxic

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 6:31 PM

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I personally don't like skarm + spin teams

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 6:31 PM

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Why

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 6:32 PM

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the whole idea of spikes is that you make your opponents think their switches carefully

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cuz they will take spikes after

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 6:36 PM

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upper plume cuz they will take spikes after

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

Tenor

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 6:40 PM

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ok basically the gist of it is

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drill doesn't abuse spikes itself

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starmie is very limited on sand teams

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and tentacruel is just a rain mu fish

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and doesn't last in sand

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you can use drill + skarm but don't use skarm + forre cuz they both have spikes

tribal smelt Mar 17, 2023, 6:42 PM

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I forget if Forre is even meta relevant atm but thats another topic

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Only really seen it with Hippowdon

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 6:47 PM

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yeah forre is super passive

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 7:17 PM

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tribal smelt I forget if Forre is even meta relevant atm but thats another topic

No, it suck’s apparently

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 7:17 PM

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upper plume you can use drill + skarm but don't use skarm + forre cuz they both have spikes

Ohh on

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Ok

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I don’t think that applies here though since only reun abuses

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 8:10 PM

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yeah zam abuses spikes better than reun but reun is better defensively

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you could also just go latios > reun

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generally solid and provides speed control

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(and by solid I mean broken and fits on everything)

gritty scaffold Mar 17, 2023, 10:28 PM

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anyone to rate Gen 5 ou https://pokepast.es/27de8d09ed2fba73 ive tried makin sort of balance

karmic geyserBOT Mar 17, 2023, 10:28 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 10:29 PM

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protect on air balloon tran is interesting

gritty scaffold Mar 17, 2023, 10:30 PM

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tatsuthink i mean i was kinda unsure if i run flame charge as analysis says lol

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old analysis kinda give me trouble sometimes

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 10:30 PM

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flame charge is for use on sun teams

gritty scaffold Mar 17, 2023, 10:30 PM

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oh lol

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mayb i could use ancient power to immediately threaten volca with hp ground

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 10:31 PM

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yeah it says use flame charge with the air balloon

gritty scaffold Mar 17, 2023, 10:31 PM

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him i really dont know what to fill instead

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 10:31 PM

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run tect w/ lefties

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and magma storm

gritty scaffold Mar 17, 2023, 10:31 PM

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oo

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taunt tho?

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 10:32 PM

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for what

gritty scaffold Mar 17, 2023, 10:32 PM

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chansey

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although prob would be better if i use defensive tran at that point ig

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 10:32 PM

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your team has like

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0 speed control

gritty scaffold Mar 17, 2023, 10:33 PM

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i was thinkin on use choice scarf mienshao

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or just aother choice scarf mon thats prob better

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considering mienshao prob isnt that great on ou

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 10:33 PM

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yeah you want speed control

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mienshao is fine, just hard to fit

gritty scaffold Mar 17, 2023, 10:37 PM

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i just kinda feel weird using regen with it because wont it just die most of time if it cant kill

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i mean ig it isnt worn down by spikes more easily but reckless woulndt be a better choice to make stuff like hjk even stronger

potent palm Mar 17, 2023, 10:42 PM

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https://pokepast.es/72ad0fe5693c8ada gen 8 ou is this good

karmic geyserBOT Mar 17, 2023, 10:42 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 10:49 PM

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potent palm https://pokepast.es/72ad0fe5693c8ada gen 8 ou is this good

wrong chat

hasty ingot Mar 17, 2023, 10:50 PM

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restive sphinx wrong chat

no its the right chat

potent palm Mar 17, 2023, 10:50 PM

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Eh

hasty ingot Mar 17, 2023, 10:50 PM

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webs in general aren't great; neither is togekiss nor non-boots volcarona

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i like the HO core tho of the 3 UBs you got here; i'd suggest adding a different dedicated lead over slurpuff like rocks+spikes+taunt+status mew

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 10:51 PM

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hasty ingot no its the right chat

oh im stupid lol

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 10:51 PM

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gritty scaffold i just kinda feel weird using regen with it because wont it just die most of tim...

the whole point of regen is that you outlast them primarily

restive sphinx Mar 17, 2023, 10:51 PM

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i though it was gen 9

hasty ingot Mar 17, 2023, 10:51 PM

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SD lum berry garchomp over togekiss

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and probably meteor beam celesteela over volcarona

upper plume Mar 17, 2023, 10:51 PM

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but shao isn't the best into opposing rain

hasty ingot Mar 17, 2023, 10:52 PM

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a case could also be made for either cm fini or life orb sd weavile over kartana here but it is fine

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i'd also go

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modest on blace

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and swap overheat for taunt

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lets you trick stuff and keep stuff low

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i have a similar HO structure if you would like a look

potent palm Mar 17, 2023, 10:52 PM

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hasty ingot i have a similar HO structure if you would like a look

Sure

hasty ingot Mar 17, 2023, 10:53 PM

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https://pokepast.es/2e93fd1e9cd32d02

gritty scaffold Mar 17, 2023, 10:53 PM

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upper plume the whole point of regen is that you outlast them primarily

oh

hasty ingot Mar 17, 2023, 10:53 PM

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is a known HO team with pretty good results

potent palm Mar 17, 2023, 10:53 PM

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hasty ingot and probably meteor beam celesteela over volcarona

Volcarona kinda helping a lot like with swarm and one quiver dance it tanks around like 25% and webs mostly slow down most pokemon+ bug buzz one quiver and bug buzz

hasty ingot Mar 17, 2023, 10:55 PM

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you could keep volca, but i would then definitely suggest steela over kart

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and chomp over togekiss

potent palm Mar 17, 2023, 10:55 PM

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hasty ingot you could keep volca, but i would then definitely suggest steela over kart

Then won't had defogger

hasty ingot Mar 17, 2023, 10:55 PM

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you don't need a defogger

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on HO

potent palm Mar 17, 2023, 10:56 PM

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hasty ingot and chomp over togekiss

Will do that

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Hmm alright

hasty ingot Mar 17, 2023, 10:56 PM

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most things just switch in once and do their damage

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the issue with no boots on volca

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is that on HO you are gonna take the rocks

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if its 25% that's usually fine

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50% + life orb chip

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means your volc has a very short lifespan

potent palm Mar 17, 2023, 10:56 PM

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Ig boots on volcarona

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Thx

gritty scaffold Mar 18, 2023, 12:03 AM

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upper plume but shao isn't the best into opposing rain

mfw i forget protect is actually common used and i hjk in it kekw

upper plume Mar 18, 2023, 12:35 AM

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rip

potent palm Mar 18, 2023, 1:57 AM

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https://pokepast.es/c4367f9bac2062ba gen 7 ou

karmic geyserBOT Mar 18, 2023, 1:57 AM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie, @naive stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

naive stump Mar 18, 2023, 9:23 AM

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potent palm https://pokepast.es/c4367f9bac2062ba gen 7 ou

Hi

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Overall, I like the idea of the team

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However, zard-y and ash-gren just sounds like a bad combination

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And, in general, I think zard-y put too much pressure on your team

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It makes heatran way more threatening and lando scarf defog is def not enough to keep away hazards enough for zard-y

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Imo, a zard-x makes already much more sense

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3A + DD give you a way to abuse heatran and some ground, pressure even more water for gren and provide more useful resistence

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Also, I would go Z-koko instead of shuca berry

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Wild charge + HP Ice + U-Turn + Filler

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That way, koko is able to pressure greatly chansey and Magearna AV

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https://pokepast.es/c21f5643da07bf38 @potent palm

tribal smelt Mar 18, 2023, 12:22 PM

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Why phys?

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on the Koko

naive stump Mar 18, 2023, 12:24 PM

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naive stump That way, koko is able to pressure greatly chansey and Magearna AV

@tribal smelt

tribal smelt Mar 18, 2023, 12:24 PM

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Oh I am a temp elo boosted idiot thought it was a ping for a mod

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https://pokepast.es/b77b58eb7542da0b GSC OU

karmic geyserBOT Mar 18, 2023, 12:25 PM

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New OU RMT @half jungle, @silver reef, @fresh thistle, @red delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tribal smelt Mar 18, 2023, 12:26 PM

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My idea is that thief gar is good both to bait the team being offensive and fast sleep gives you good priority

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But I don't know sixth, feels like Blissey is completely arbitrary since you can easily just run the usual Mdragon Gar stall, and Cune is too slow on semis

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But the one other option I thought of was Umbreon which I really do not like

red delta Mar 18, 2023, 1:34 PM

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tribal smelt https://pokepast.es/b77b58eb7542da0b GSC OU

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I'll comment on the rest later when I have more time

tribal smelt Mar 18, 2023, 1:35 PM

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I am dumb lol

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Uh instead of toss its either toxic or LS

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Probably LS to make Lax come in 24/7

fresh thistle Mar 18, 2023, 1:50 PM

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How do you plan to take advantage of deceiving your opponent about your team structure?

tribal smelt Mar 18, 2023, 1:54 PM

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Hmm. This is the dumb part, I guess the turn progression I was thinking of is that they lead lax, I click double edge to see if they're slam or edge, if body slam I expect flamelax which gives me an opportunity to send in Gar

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And whatever their answer is now has no lefties which for boom offense is not super relevant but for enemy stall it is

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Another option I was thinking of was Vaporeon > Cune but that means my Electric MU feels really weird and it gives Machamp free turns which is not ideal in the slightest

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The issue is that if they're Kou lead or Dos lead this dosen't really go that well

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Since then I kind of have to reveal Blissey at some point

fresh thistle Mar 18, 2023, 1:58 PM

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at a base level the assumption that bslam = flamelax is not going to be consistent

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but even if you get a thief off, there is little on your team to take advantage of it

tribal smelt Mar 18, 2023, 1:59 PM

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This team already is having turn issues I don't like and I think the easiest solution is to pick the Mdragon stall and just try thief on Gar over hypno

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Then come back to the idea when its not nearly as scrambled

fresh thistle Mar 18, 2023, 2:01 PM

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yea even if you add spikes int he sixth slot

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the team is basically incapable or getting past skarm + raikou

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without very difficult sequences

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and the lack of explosion or dbond on gengar will feel terrible

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along with the struggles your team will have against nido

tribal smelt Mar 18, 2023, 2:03 PM

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My thought process is mostly "hey I like rest + bell support but don't like the passivity fuck it might throw in Gar since the mon feels good" but this really is not realistic

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And if I want something like that a mon that abuses longevity more is probably better than Gar

fresh thistle Mar 18, 2023, 2:05 PM

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yes, there's a conflict of team styles when you have thief gar + stall

tribal smelt Mar 18, 2023, 2:07 PM

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I think there is something worth trying here with the core idea of something greedy that can gain levity from rest on 4th but this isn't it. Thanks for letting me bounce ideas off though

fresh thistle Mar 18, 2023, 2:08 PM

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i think when it comes to tricking your opponent into thinking you arent stall, focus on your opponents spikers (cloy)

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they may let it get poisoned / chipped early if they expect on offensive game

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and that will backfire against stall

stone nova Mar 18, 2023, 8:41 PM

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https://pokepast.es/aee57901eb03144d

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how would you improve this team i made? (i think i made it :D)

proven path Mar 18, 2023, 9:57 PM

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What tier is this for

leaden fiber Mar 18, 2023, 10:16 PM

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its dpp ou

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@short hedge

short hedge Mar 18, 2023, 10:18 PM

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stone nova how would you improve this team i made? (i think i made it :D)

you think u made it?

short hedge Mar 18, 2023, 10:20 PM

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stone nova https://pokepast.es/aee57901eb03144d

get rid of substitute and go with stone edge to hit flying leads, focus sash is fine and lum works as well

short hedge Mar 18, 2023, 10:20 PM

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stone nova https://pokepast.es/aee57901eb03144d

for machamp

short hedge Mar 18, 2023, 10:21 PM

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stone nova https://pokepast.es/aee57901eb03144d

I think Outrage might be better over draco for the choice scarf flygon set, flygons sp.att is pretty weak especially if Life Orb is not ontop

short hedge Mar 18, 2023, 10:23 PM

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stone nova https://pokepast.es/aee57901eb03144d

magma storm over flamethrower, protect + magma is a great combo, might want to include toxic > explosion (not a hard suggestion)

short hedge Mar 18, 2023, 10:23 PM

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stone nova how would you improve this team i made? (i think i made it :D)

remove protect on starmie and put thunderbolt

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aside from that solid team

stone nova Mar 18, 2023, 10:45 PM

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thanks alot

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its an old team, might be inspired by bkc or aim

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but the weird ass moves are all mine 😄

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:11 PM

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someone fix this team please

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https://pokepast.es/e385a1a089dc7542

rare token Mar 19, 2023, 4:24 PM

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This is completely unviable

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I can’t really tell what the focus of the team is supposed to be besides a gimmick

naive stump Mar 19, 2023, 4:27 PM

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Eh

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Why my alt is on that pokepast?

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Oh yh, this beauty

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Great team, best HO in sm ou

leaden fiber Mar 19, 2023, 4:28 PM

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alolapuk

naive stump Mar 19, 2023, 4:28 PM

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~~I can't believe someone seriously ask help to improve this garbage lmao~~

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:30 PM

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naive stump ~~I can't believe someone seriously ask help to improve this garbage lmao~~

LETSGO

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gime actual team...i believe in you

flint ridge Mar 19, 2023, 4:31 PM

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if u remove aggron and raptor

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u could make it an actual team

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:31 PM

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ok

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add what

naive stump Mar 19, 2023, 4:32 PM

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flint ridge u could make it an actual team

I trust you on that one then lol

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Well, in all honestly, we can prob rescrap that team into a decent spikes offense with sharpedo as a cleaner

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Like lando mag AV sharp gren filler filler ig

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Dark-spam is always funny

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:33 PM

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greninja?

naive stump Mar 19, 2023, 4:33 PM

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Yh

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:33 PM

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remove aggron

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staraptor is good

rare token Mar 19, 2023, 4:34 PM

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staraptor is not good

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:34 PM

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mega aggron is good but we already have a mega

naive stump Mar 19, 2023, 4:34 PM

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Mag AV + Lele specs + Landorus Iapapa + Sharpedo-Mega + Rotom defog + whatever speedy maybe

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:34 PM

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rare token staraptor is not good

why so

rare token Mar 19, 2023, 4:35 PM

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It’s dependent on recoil moves to force meaningful progress

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Meaning best case scenario it trades a kill

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:36 PM

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he made that team on that

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all of the pokes have bom with it

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worrywhirl

rare token Mar 19, 2023, 4:36 PM

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( the team is a joke )

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:36 PM

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he did it on me

rare token Mar 19, 2023, 4:36 PM

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Kaiser is le funny French man

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:37 PM

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but i think it will work

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unexpected

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Blob_Sip

naive stump Mar 19, 2023, 4:37 PM

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Yh, staraptor is terrible

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Band raptor has some funny calcs

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:37 PM

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it has high speed

naive stump Mar 19, 2023, 4:38 PM

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But almost no defensive value

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And you die with your own stabs

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:38 PM

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whats a good match with weavile

naive stump Mar 19, 2023, 4:38 PM

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A lot ig

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Weavile is pretty versatile

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:38 PM

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weavile is my favourite

flint ridge Mar 19, 2023, 4:38 PM

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i like the idea of dbond shark + dd mag

naive stump Mar 19, 2023, 4:38 PM

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Between Z-moves, Band or niche scarf

flint ridge Mar 19, 2023, 4:39 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6cef400948c70f32 tried my best to not change the team much

naive stump Mar 19, 2023, 4:39 PM

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flint ridge i like the idea of dbond shark + dd mag

Honestly, I agree

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:39 PM

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i have psycic fangs instead of protect

naive stump Mar 19, 2023, 4:39 PM

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However, I feel diancie suicide lead is better at that stupid job

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:39 PM

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on shark

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:41 PM

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flint ridge https://pokepast.es/6cef400948c70f32 tried my best to not change the team much

how is this one now?

naive stump Mar 19, 2023, 4:41 PM

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Well

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It really looks like an inferior version of usual fairy-spam

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But the structure is def way better than the junk I previously sent you lol

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:42 PM

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send me more junk that you make

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😂

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i like experimantal ideas

flint ridge Mar 19, 2023, 4:43 PM

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U could change gar to smth else

naive stump Mar 19, 2023, 4:43 PM

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Yh

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AV lele + SG mag is a cool core

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Lando pivot support the rest

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And kart scarf is prob almost mandatory on that kind of structure

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Gren scarf is maybe also possible

austere scarab Mar 19, 2023, 4:44 PM

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any replacement for lele

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i dont have it

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in the game

naive stump Mar 19, 2023, 4:45 PM

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Hard ngl

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AV lele really provide a lot here

rare token Mar 19, 2023, 4:52 PM

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You’re playing ou ingame?

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I’m surprised you find matches for smou in 2023

long hatch Mar 19, 2023, 6:15 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ca25d9e5407b8002 GSC

karmic geyserBOT Mar 19, 2023, 6:15 PM

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New OU RMT @half jungle, @silver reef, @fresh thistle, @red delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

fresh thistle Mar 19, 2023, 6:23 PM

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the team is fine

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nothing needs to be changed

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you could try sub/surf/nightmare/recover starmie

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but that really comes down to preference or building into your opponent

long hatch Mar 19, 2023, 6:29 PM

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Built an old gen team that is fine immediately without changes WOW

fresh thistle Mar 19, 2023, 6:31 PM

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just watch out for jynx, you dont have anything that can immediately absorb sleep

red delta Mar 19, 2023, 6:32 PM

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Rapid Spin Starmie is an uncommon filler for that otherwise very standard core, though it has been used before. The team is definitely okay and it comes down to preference.

silver reef Mar 19, 2023, 6:40 PM

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Yea u can def fit nightmie on a team like this, it betters the MU vs most jynx teams aswell

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Has good synergy with hypnogar too

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RT lax can be used too

gritty scaffold Mar 19, 2023, 10:33 PM

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https://pokepast.es/886abc56996457d7 RBY i thought on using moltress bc mayb would work on the team but if otherwise ig i should just use other mon although unsure on what else to use mayb a more consistent wrap i mean dragonite is even lower than moltress on the vibility list

karmic geyserBOT Mar 19, 2023, 10:33 PM

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New OU RMT @weak mirage, @red delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

night bridge Mar 19, 2023, 11:13 PM

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Snorlax should definitely not be a lead and I don't see any synergy between your picks, feels like you just slapped a moltres on and randomized the lead. Also Tauros has zero reason to use thunder. Just some starting notes but honestly like, i recommend looking at moltres teams used at a top level instead of trying to homebrew one without a coherent concept

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there was one this SPL lemme grab the replay

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen1ou-670086

[Gen 1] OU replay: Isza vs. Ban Manaphy - Pokémon Showdown

Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between Isza and Ban Manaphy ([Gen 1] OU)

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chanseyless offensive team with 3 attacks + counter lax and 3 total boom mons + Zam Bull Molt for cleaning up endgame

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if you're going to use moltres you need to consider how you're handling opposing Starmie and Chansey mainly and once those are out Moltres becomes really scary; Slowbro can also be problematic ofc but Chansey is like 98% use and Mie like 70%

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so what's this team got? 3 booms, redundant sleep, and no chansey so you can play really aggro, remove those problems early, then trade down to a favorable end state

gritty scaffold Mar 19, 2023, 11:41 PM

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oh

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i mean i dont really think i have ether a good lead mon aswell

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tatsuthink i mean i thought on running thunder to idk hit more harder water mons like cloyster , lapras s ig i just should use eq or tbolt i mean theoretically wouldnt lax check already starmie and chansey

gritty scaffold Mar 19, 2023, 11:45 PM

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night bridge Snorlax should definitely not be a lead and I don't see any synergy between your...

thought water , grass and fire had good synergy together

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perhaps not on gen 1 although isnt lax , chansey and tauros always obligatory to use on a team

night bridge Mar 20, 2023, 12:18 AM

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its thunderbolt that you use, not thunder, but i dont think you see why you're using it in this case

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its almost entirely for Cloyster

night bridge Mar 20, 2023, 12:19 AM

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gritty scaffold i mean i dont really think i have ether a good lead mon aswell

yes this is a reason to change the team

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Lax does not check Starmie, that matchup is volatile

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and reflect EQ lax is the worst lax into starmie pretty much

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Lax is at its best vs mie and chansey when it has Hyper Beam usually though EQ lax has plays vs counter chans

night bridge Mar 20, 2023, 12:22 AM

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gritty scaffold thought water , grass and fire had good synergy together

you're not thinking enough about whats in the tier and what your team is weak to when you say this, your sole electric attacker is tauros so SurfBolt Mie cleans your Molt/Bro for free

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once your eggy goes down inevitably, as your only sleeper

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Your Chansey is also fully unable to harm Starmie and your Lax doesnt have Hbeam to theaten a KO if it paralyzes

gritty scaffold Mar 20, 2023, 12:28 AM

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oh

night bridge Mar 20, 2023, 12:29 AM

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again would really recommend looking at moltres teams brought in top 8s of individuals or in SPL or such

gritty scaffold Mar 20, 2023, 12:29 AM

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so do i keep eq or change to hyper beam

gritty scaffold Mar 20, 2023, 12:29 AM

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night bridge again would really recommend looking at moltres teams brought in top 8s of indiv...

alr then i guess

night bridge Mar 20, 2023, 12:29 AM

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okay again the whole team composition is an issue, its not just switching a move on lax

gritty scaffold Mar 20, 2023, 12:29 AM

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the whole core

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yea ill see what i can do through watching

night bridge Mar 20, 2023, 12:30 AM

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yes egg bro molt is just very slow and unsafe and overlapping weaknesses

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changing the lax chans bull sets only does so much

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so i super recommend just checking out teams people brought and what their answers were to things like starmie

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and when/how molt came out

gritty scaffold Mar 20, 2023, 12:31 AM

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alr then imma og sleep for now but thanks

night bridge Mar 20, 2023, 12:31 AM

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np gl

austere scarab Mar 20, 2023, 9:15 AM

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naive stump Hard ngl

https://pokepast.es/bc76196a517cf2b3

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see this

naive stump Mar 20, 2023, 9:28 AM

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austere scarab https://pokepast.es/bc76196a517cf2b3

?

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Yh, this is your usual psy-spam

austere scarab Mar 20, 2023, 9:33 AM

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naive stump Yh, this is your usual psy-spam

usual

rugged fossil Mar 20, 2023, 10:29 AM

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naive stump Yh, this is your usual psy-spam

https://pokepast.es/11af40ee14da6787

austere scarab Mar 20, 2023, 10:39 AM

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rugged fossil https://pokepast.es/11af40ee14da6787

use weekness policy for dragonite

tribal smelt Mar 20, 2023, 10:40 AM

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rugged fossil https://pokepast.es/11af40ee14da6787

This is neat

austere scarab Mar 20, 2023, 10:40 AM

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yea

tribal smelt Mar 20, 2023, 10:40 AM

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Idk why you're using something uber safe like Dnite here

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Feels like this core benefits more from a greedier slot

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Since you're already forfeiting the fact that you have horrible Status weakness on your 3 offensive picks

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Like how do you deal with a pex farming Scald

rugged fossil Mar 20, 2023, 11:17 AM

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tribal smelt Since you're already forfeiting the fact that you have horrible Status weakness ...

There’s a

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Lum berry dnite

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Scald farming pex is at its own loss

tribal smelt Mar 20, 2023, 11:19 AM

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I guess? Its more that you could have something greedier in that slot

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Tspikes rocks + Dnite is good mid game but you could probably force even harsher progress with something that gives you a tighter mu spread

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Clef? Idk, don't know enough about SM to make that assumption.

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But just from thinking of turn progression I am already iffy on it knowing how these sorts of teams work in SwSh

rugged fossil Mar 20, 2023, 1:29 PM

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tribal smelt But just from thinking of turn progression I am already iffy on it knowing how t...

Ye tysm

crude sedge Mar 20, 2023, 1:34 PM

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Gen 1 OU

tribal smelt Mar 20, 2023, 1:36 PM

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Not great but I get the idea

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Since you're already getting double sleep I myself would be comfortable running something like this

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https://pokepast.es/e85dcd9cf0c5de6c

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And if you're deadset on Sing Chansey it usually gives you an electric so then its something like this

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https://pokepast.es/e13f4a73171820c1

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@long hatch Only critique:

naive stump Mar 20, 2023, 5:57 PM

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rugged fossil https://pokepast.es/11af40ee14da6787

I dont really like those "dragmag" core

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And, tbh, I just find them really mid

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Because the best niche of zone atm is not to trap steel to open the way for an offensive threat but clearly being a defensive answer to kart/maw and remove steel spiker

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Like, I dont dislike the idea of diancie + nite

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But, imo, you put that on a HO with diancie suicide lead instead

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I think Dragonite suit much more HO as its defensive value is hard to exploit because of rocks and DD is just too slow to break stuff (esp without a z-move)

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Atm, the team is simply bad

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Speed control is low

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No check to medicham

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And its because, at the same time, the defensive core is too frail and the offensive core dont break that well

night bridge Mar 20, 2023, 6:02 PM

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crude sedge

Every single mon on your team has a wonky set, I really recommend just looking at sample teams and learning first

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Just for a couple examples there is no reason to have back gengar with that set, boltbeam on tauros is crap and no hyperbeam is an unmon, there is zero reason for Lax to run rock slide, and psychic is bad on chansey + why doesn’t it have twave

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The triple psychic or mie egg don or Jynx mie don samples might be a better starting point for you

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Oh I didn’t ping and it’s been a while since that was posted so @crude sedge

lyric coral Mar 20, 2023, 6:19 PM

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Just a team i made, feel like something is missing.. someone got any advice?

upper plume Mar 20, 2023, 7:12 PM

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What tier is this

fickle tulip Mar 20, 2023, 7:21 PM

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This has to be natdex

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electric gem + mega

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wait gems aren't in nd

lyric coral Mar 20, 2023, 7:22 PM

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fickle tulip electric gem + mega

i just took items

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i didnt base it on a category

obtuse prairie Mar 20, 2023, 7:24 PM

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@lyric coral use pokepaste and ps' builder

fickle tulip Mar 20, 2023, 7:24 PM

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Well one change is that either you can't use Mega Scizor or you can't use Electric Gem

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Electric Gem only exists in gen 5 and Scizorite only exists in 6, 7 and natdex

lyric coral Mar 20, 2023, 7:25 PM

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ohh okay

upper plume Mar 20, 2023, 11:53 PM

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The whole idea is that you give us a team to be used in a playable tier

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No (officially recognized) playable tier has both Scizorite and Electric Gem

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I think you should start with the tier and build for it, or see how you can modify your current team so that it can fit within a current tier

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Finally, if you use the pokemon showdown teambuilder, you can give your pokemon evs and ivs to further define their roles on the team

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@lyric coral

lyric coral Mar 20, 2023, 11:59 PM

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but how do i actually build a good team, i feel like im just picking random pokemon that look cool and seem nice, how do i start a team

upper plume Mar 21, 2023, 12:00 AM

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Do you know which tier you want to play?

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Or do you just want to battle on Pokemon Showdown first to get the feel of different tiers?

lyric coral Mar 21, 2023, 12:05 AM

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so i dont usually play on pokemon show down and stuff, ive always been playing like semi competitivly on a game called pokemon brick bronze. its a pokemon "clone" where they have every pokemon, so i just went off what i usually would build there.. so i dont know, i want to find out what tier i should play ig

upper plume Mar 21, 2023, 12:08 AM

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I guess the best format to play in order to get access to all Pokemon is National Dex

lyric coral Mar 21, 2023, 12:09 AM

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sure why not, and how would i build a team? like a actually good one

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where do i start

upper plume Mar 21, 2023, 12:15 AM

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I'd probably start with a sample team

lyric coral Mar 21, 2023, 12:16 AM

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where do i find those

upper plume Mar 21, 2023, 12:17 AM

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/

Smogon Forums

Resource - National Dex Sample Teams

The goal of this resource is to showcase good teams that are easy to pick up and use on the ladder. This should aid players in familiarizing themselves with the current National Dex metagame.

We will try to actively look over the sample teams and make sure that they stay up-to-date in order to...

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Here

lyric coral Mar 21, 2023, 12:24 AM

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ty

leaden fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:20 AM

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https://pokepast.es/c5605c99bb75241d @polar nacelle

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i think notable weakness is aero but wishmence + meta + yama should deal with it??

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also i was gonna ask if u had any advice on how to build loomzard

polar nacelle Mar 21, 2023, 3:33 AM

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leaden fiber i think notable weakness is aero but wishmence + meta + yama should deal with it...

Yeah ur fine vs aero. U can also just use protect on mence if u want to be stronger vs aero

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But drop mence speed for bulk imo

leaden fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:34 AM

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hm what spread

polar nacelle Mar 21, 2023, 3:34 AM

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270 speed maybe

leaden fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:35 AM

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o okay

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do i put that in spdef or hp

polar nacelle Mar 21, 2023, 3:35 AM

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Hp

leaden fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:36 AM

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do i still keep timid

polar nacelle Mar 21, 2023, 3:36 AM

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No, modest i think

leaden fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:37 AM

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ah ok

polar nacelle Mar 21, 2023, 3:37 AM

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I would prob also use ddtar there

leaden fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:38 AM

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i kind of want to use endure salac bulky tar

polar nacelle Mar 21, 2023, 3:38 AM

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Not on this team

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U also need to consider how ur gonna deal with pert

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Timid spinmie is not good enough i think

leaden fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:39 AM

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yeah so far its just been intim w mence and hope they dont call me

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do i make it like

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boldmie?

polar nacelle Mar 21, 2023, 3:41 AM

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Not sure, its a possibility but i dont like how slow the entire team becomes

leaden fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:42 AM

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hmm

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any way i could fix?

polar nacelle Mar 21, 2023, 3:43 AM

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Maybe singbliss is a nice thing to try here

leaden fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:44 AM

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oo

polar nacelle Mar 21, 2023, 3:45 AM

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Yama teams always have this problem where theres always a defensive hole somewhere

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Dealing with celebi is also a pain

leaden fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:46 AM

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yea

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i rly like singbliss i think that solves issues into non subpass bi as well

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tyty

polar nacelle Mar 21, 2023, 3:47 AM

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Use bug > ghost on yama imo

leaden fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:47 AM

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yea gar gets cripped enough by

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knock

restive sphinx Mar 21, 2023, 1:01 PM

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Question is copy cat Lucario still usable or is it discovered as a hoax

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In Gen 4

leaden fiber Mar 21, 2023, 2:44 PM

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restive sphinx Question is copy cat Lucario still usable or is it discovered as a hoax

Copycat roar is no longer an autowin

restive sphinx Mar 21, 2023, 2:44 PM

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leaden fiber Copycat roar is no longer an autowin

Ok I just needed verification I thought it was still possible 👍

leaden fiber Mar 21, 2023, 2:45 PM

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tmk the way it works now is that

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u cannot copycat roar twice in a row

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or smth

upper plume Mar 21, 2023, 3:00 PM

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yeah it was discovered that that wasn't how copycat worked in dp

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it works in bw

restive sphinx Mar 21, 2023, 3:01 PM

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upper plume it works in bw

https://tenor.com/view/kumala-kumalala-savesta-thomsofficiel-meme-gif-25976383

Tenor

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So is Lucario mid in DPP now or just the scarf set isn’t viable anymore

upper plume Mar 21, 2023, 3:01 PM

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it's fine

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just find a new fourth move

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~~I am totally unqualified~~

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seems like I'm right

tribal smelt Mar 21, 2023, 3:07 PM

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Lucario is still the single most intimidating 6th

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Can and will coinflip sweep on a dime

tacit vigil Mar 21, 2023, 3:10 PM

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the Sd set is still real

leaden fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:30 PM

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scarf luc is still real u just dont run copycat necessarily

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ice punch tpunch and faster then dnite and gyara is p solid

austere scarab Mar 21, 2023, 6:09 PM

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exadrill , mega gardevoir and volcarona can be together in a team?

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will it work @naive stump

midnight ember Mar 21, 2023, 11:56 PM

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You know what's soul crushing?

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Sending a choice scarfer out, only for it to get outsped by kartana

hazy grotto Mar 22, 2023, 12:20 AM

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https://pokepast.es/1da417e858b8c3b4

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Hydreigon team

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@naive stump

naive stump Mar 22, 2023, 4:06 AM

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hazy grotto https://pokepast.es/1da417e858b8c3b4

Its fine ig

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Those kind of structure are extremely weak to medicham tho

hazy grotto Mar 22, 2023, 4:07 AM

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naive stump Those kind of structure are extremely weak to medicham tho

what do u think I should change

naive stump Mar 22, 2023, 4:08 AM

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Hum

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Maybe faster pokemon than medi over mawile and hydreigon

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But I like those two

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I just think its something you have to accept

hazy grotto Mar 22, 2023, 4:09 AM

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naive stump I just think its something you have to accept

Alright

naive stump Mar 22, 2023, 4:09 AM

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Because you have a full hydreigon

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Can do something like bold fini instead of calm fini

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Handle better medi and garchomp

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Something like 248 HP + 96 def bold

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Its also quite weak to koko now that I look at it again

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But, well, fini defog + heatran structure are always full of glaring weakness

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Have to be careful around volcarona as your tran, without taunt, can't beat sub variant

naive stump Mar 22, 2023, 4:13 AM

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austere scarab exadrill , mega gardevoir and volcarona can be together in a team?

Issue is that gardervoir suck

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And exca + volcarona sounds like HO or maybe sand material

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And, for both case, gardevoir still looks irrelevant

tribal smelt Mar 22, 2023, 6:56 AM

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https://pokepast.es/2e9bc4182ff43783 GSC OU

karmic geyserBOT Mar 22, 2023, 6:56 AM

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New OU RMT @half jungle, @silver reef, @fresh thistle, @red delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tribal smelt Mar 22, 2023, 7:02 AM

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Thought process is mostly that I really like Thief Skarm + Kou + Gar, feels easy to flex and has potential to annoy both offense and stall. Nidoking is per usual the threat so Monolax is the blanket answer, Mie+Kou feels nice for phazing and spinning here

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Might also swap out something on Gar for Firepunch to scare Forre but having two booms help

flint ridge Mar 22, 2023, 11:18 AM

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Tapu Lele @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Psychic Surge
IVs: 0 Atk

Taunt
Nature's Madness
Moonblast
Psyshock

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thoughts on this cook

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sm

naive stump Mar 22, 2023, 11:22 AM

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flint ridge Tapu Lele @ Rocky Helmet Ability: Psychic Surge IVs: 0 Atk - Taunt - Nat...

Have to explain this one

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Esp the RH

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Prob would be better with just lefto/Z/mind plate/...

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Taunt + NM is cool tho

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Ah, RH to get free chip on chansey?

flint ridge Mar 22, 2023, 11:24 AM

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naive stump Esp the RH

It’s supposed to be bulky

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just weaken stuff for ur mons to sweep

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on ho

naive stump Mar 22, 2023, 11:25 AM

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Hum

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I dont dislike it

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Have to see a full team but I like in general bulky lele in HO

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And RH + taunt is always funny

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Iirc, I saw before RH taunt hydreigon on some offense

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Was cool to force chip damage

flint ridge Mar 22, 2023, 11:28 AM

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Ye I tbink it could be cool

red delta Mar 22, 2023, 12:00 PM

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tribal smelt https://pokepast.es/2e9bc4182ff43783 GSC OU

This team doesn't look bad.
There are lots of Gengar running around, and depending on the gamestate it can also be difficult to switch into it. Raikou is your main check but it doesn't have RestTalk so it can be a little bit more difficult at times to keep it healthy enough.
The main change I would consider is replacing Curse on Lax for a different attack e.g. Earthquake.

I haven't used Thief Skarm in a long time. I liked it a lot when I started playing GSC, but later shifted away from it. I think it can work on the team, but I recommend keeping an open mind to other Skarm sets as well.

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I also wouldn't drop Explosion on Gengar for a move that is not Destiny Bond, unless you really want to bank on catching your opponent off guard.

tribal smelt Mar 22, 2023, 12:05 PM

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red delta This team doesn't look bad. There are lots of Gengar running around, and dependi...

Hmm. I suppose a change is to go the rest talk route but my biggest hurdle is more that Raikou is so good at roaring that you make a lot of room for the rest of the team to come in and out and throw out damage

red delta Mar 22, 2023, 12:07 PM

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It's fine to keep Roar. I just meant that if Raikou doesn't have Talk, I would be even more discouraged to run a Laxset that can't touch Gengar

tribal smelt Mar 22, 2023, 12:08 PM

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I was going to counter with "weak to boom offense" but I do have talk roar as a roll

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I'll do the EQ edge sleeptalk lax mono Raikou though

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I am not sure if Flamelax is super popular but Gar does hold it out midgame and if its last slot I just sleep it

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Play cloy well and try to scout everything

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Would Golem > mie work as a side thing? Does give you potential triple boom

red delta Mar 22, 2023, 12:13 PM

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Not commonly played because then you get weaker to ground e.g. Steelix, Marowak, Nido, Tar

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I wouldn't run mono Raikou

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A team that is common though is Spiker, Lax, Raikou, Skarm, Golem, Suicune

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(Forretress usually being the preferred Spiker on this)

tribal smelt Mar 22, 2023, 12:15 PM

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So changes are basically EQ edge lax

red delta Mar 22, 2023, 12:15 PM

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This is what I would try, yes

tribal smelt Mar 22, 2023, 12:16 PM

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I mostly enjoy thief Skarm since the potential snipe on Zapdos is neat

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But if it dosent work out I think I could just make that slot toxic/whirlwind

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Sleep talk even for the random mid game chip blobshrug

red delta Mar 22, 2023, 12:17 PM

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tribal smelt I was going to counter with "weak to boom offense" but I do have talk roar as a ...

just in case you don't know: if you use Sleep Talk and roll Roar/Whirlwind and moved before your opponent, the move will fail

tribal smelt Mar 22, 2023, 12:19 PM

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Did not know that

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You learn new things every day for gsc ig

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Learnt last night that freeze happens end of turn for instance

red delta Mar 22, 2023, 12:21 PM

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Very often people reduced the speed of their Raikou so it is slower than the opponent's one, and thus moves second if both attempt Roar. Nowadays it is less clear because Roar on it isn't as common as it used to be, and you also have the point that sometimes you want to win the speed tie to finish a weakened Raikou off.

tribal smelt Mar 22, 2023, 12:22 PM

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I still am a bit miffed on what the Gar hard answer is for most of the stalls

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Feels like every time I que its either Gar boom, some odd Gar semistall or teams dedicated to making as much tempo out of Gar as possible

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But yeah, eq edge done. Will probably post an @ if I have more issues

tribal smelt Mar 22, 2023, 2:11 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ddc70d16616d3bff SS OU

karmic geyserBOT Mar 22, 2023, 2:11 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

rugged fossil Mar 22, 2023, 3:25 PM

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naive stump Hum

Yo

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What’s your thoughts on xtra shines ho

naive stump Mar 22, 2023, 3:27 PM

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rugged fossil What’s your thoughts on xtra shines ho

Pretty efficient

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Unpredictable overall

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Some awful MU, but this is why you get with that kind of structure

rugged fossil Mar 22, 2023, 3:29 PM

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naive stump Some awful MU, but this is why you get with that kind of structure

What does good vs it

flint ridge Mar 22, 2023, 3:34 PM

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is it the kyub kokolucha ho

rugged fossil Mar 22, 2023, 3:34 PM

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Ye

flint ridge Mar 22, 2023, 3:34 PM

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it’s ok

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still somewhat consistent cheese

naive stump Mar 22, 2023, 3:36 PM

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rugged fossil What does good vs it

No fire-resist

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No defog

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And you can pretty much spread your check against the offensive core

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Also, the backbone of mag + lando is not hard to overwhelm

naive stump Mar 22, 2023, 3:38 PM

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flint ridge still somewhat consistent cheese

True, higher than rain in term of consistent cheesy playstyle

hazy grotto Mar 22, 2023, 5:09 PM

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https://pokepast.es/b72f169d69648adf mega slowbro team

warped venture Mar 22, 2023, 8:52 PM

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tribal smelt https://pokepast.es/ddc70d16616d3bff SS OU

I swear I have to physically remind myself Garchomp is a legitimate mon on stall in SS

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Though out of curiosity, seeing as you have Chomp to answer Heatran here, do you really need Shed Shell on Pex? Or am I missing smth?

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is it for like getting a Scald off on Balloon Frog or smth?

tribal smelt Mar 22, 2023, 9:20 PM

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The team already saw some tuning earlier today

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https://pokepast.es/31409dd2f0204e35

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Just put toxic > yawn

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The reason is mostly that Rocky Helmet with stealth rock plus 1 layer of spikes feels overkill and making Tran a complete non-factor makes pivoting a thousand times easier

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Plus the trapper builds in the meta really dislike it

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The big issue with Do nothing is that you click knock off and usually wait

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So getting in and clicking knock off even more makes the thought process near zero

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Teams in this vein suffer mostly from not being able to flex two win cons if needs be

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HO rain is piss easy since you pick your sack over and over until they die, Lele + Melmetal cores are intimidating if specs, critmenot dosen't like Taunt T

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But lets say you que vs a Gking NP all you can do is press LS knock and hope it plays badly

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Whereas the better stall teams click to kill said Gking or force it out by hit trading until its teammates have to take rocks chip

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This team is also me trying very hard to make Do Nothing work. If you do Want a better Garchomp stall I can soup one up on the spot since its the same principle

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https://pokepast.es/7fcf22980c6f1ef7

hazy grotto Mar 22, 2023, 9:41 PM

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hazy grotto https://pokepast.es/b72f169d69648adf mega slowbro team

@naive stump

restive sphinx Mar 22, 2023, 10:03 PM

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hazy grotto https://pokepast.es/b72f169d69648adf mega slowbro team

whats with z ground dig gen

tacit vigil Mar 22, 2023, 10:58 PM

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Standard lure set for stuff

restive sphinx Mar 22, 2023, 11:27 PM

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tacit vigil Standard lure set for stuff

Like? Not familiar with Gen 7 OU

tacit vigil Mar 22, 2023, 11:28 PM

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mage pex iirc

restive sphinx Mar 22, 2023, 11:28 PM

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tacit vigil mage pex iirc

Ohh yeah

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What’s mag

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Mage

tacit vigil Mar 22, 2023, 11:29 PM

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Magearna

restive sphinx Mar 22, 2023, 11:29 PM

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tacit vigil Magearna

Ok thx for insure

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Insite

tacit vigil Mar 22, 2023, 11:29 PM

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Yeah that’s a pretty standard lure Gren set

gritty scaffold Mar 23, 2023, 12:11 AM

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is mienshao viable on bw or nah

leaden fiber Mar 23, 2023, 12:11 AM

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viable yes

gritty scaffold Mar 23, 2023, 12:16 AM

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oo alr then dunno really what i should change on the sand team with mien that ive tried doin https://pokepast.es/16e8f3c49f5d573c mayb i should use ferro instead of among but unsure really what to change Gen 5 OU

karmic geyserBOT Mar 23, 2023, 12:16 AM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

naive stump Mar 23, 2023, 6:48 AM

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hazy grotto <@1027533660901081089>

I dont dislike the whole structure

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There's just a couple of big issue tho

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Skamory's set is really bad

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With that set, Skarmory loses to the pokemon it suppose to check (Excadrill, Gliscor, Garchomp, ...)

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Also, I'm not to fond of that bulu here

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Pair weirdly with Gliscor, esp when it's clear that only Gliscor want to switch on Heatran in early game

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I have a very similar team on my own rotation of team but with Kommo-o > Skarmory and Tornadus-Therian > Tapu Bulu

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With Kommo-o here, not only you improve greatly the Volcarona MU (which was kinda bad because taunt-less Heatran lose to common variant such as SubSwarm), you can put rocks on Kommo-o and free a slot on Heatran

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Tornadus is always cool on those structure to provide a better defogger and speed control with crazy staying power (esp when Taunt Tornadus here provide much more stability against HO MU and serperior HO builds in general)

balmy willow Mar 23, 2023, 7:59 AM

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SS OU https://pokepast.es/9c49c1eb10e315ef

karmic geyserBOT Mar 23, 2023, 7:59 AM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

balmy willow Mar 23, 2023, 8:05 AM

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i am aware lucario is a shit mon

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and id be happy if you guys could suggest something to replace

gritty scaffold Mar 23, 2023, 8:20 AM

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Use ttar

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If ur gonna use sand rush exca

restive sphinx Mar 23, 2023, 9:16 AM

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gritty scaffold oo alr then dunno really what i should change on the sand team with mien that iv...

What’s with Hp ice on meinshao

gritty scaffold Mar 23, 2023, 10:14 AM

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Preety sure it can revenge kill dragons aswell

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And other stuff like lando

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meowtheh and i was just using that bc idk analysis

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But i guess is outdated

restive sphinx Mar 23, 2023, 10:55 AM

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gritty scaffold And other stuff like lando

Ok makes sense

hazy grotto Mar 23, 2023, 10:57 AM

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naive stump Tornadus is always cool on those structure to provide a better defogger and spee...

I had tornadus originally

tribal smelt Mar 23, 2023, 12:01 PM

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@balmy willow This is not good.

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With respect to the effort you've basically taken a bunch of DPp picks tried to mix them into an HO that tries to work in a tier that hates DPp gameplay

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I would personally pick one mon or one HO set and try to build the team with that in mind more than trying to make this very flawed and hard to fix team function

orchid tiger Mar 23, 2023, 1:44 PM

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^what he said

midnight ember Mar 23, 2023, 1:48 PM

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What's the funniest Pokemon to use Z-Splash on?

restive sphinx Mar 23, 2023, 1:53 PM

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midnight ember What's the funniest Pokemon to use Z-Splash on?

Z-splash is an Omni boost right?

tropic schooner Mar 23, 2023, 1:55 PM

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tribal smelt So getting in and clicking knock off even more makes the thought process near ze...

This is why i think glowking/some other random off mon is near-mandatory and do nothing cant really afford either

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So do nothing is just kinda inconsistent when it wants to be consistent

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If i want something inconsistent id rather run some kinda reuni double cm or bu buzz stack since those are easier to recover on the inconsistent parts

restive sphinx Mar 23, 2023, 1:58 PM

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@midnight ember

My burn pees (Tatsugiri-Stretchy) @ Normalium Z
Ability: Storm Drain
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Splash
Dragon Pulse
Hydro Pump
Memento

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Probably best z splash option in terms of funny

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Actually can sweep on its own and is a little skrunky

tribal smelt Mar 23, 2023, 2:00 PM

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This question is better suited for compgen @midnight ember

tribal smelt Mar 23, 2023, 2:01 PM

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tropic schooner This is why i think glowking/some other random off mon is near-mandatory and do ...

Gking I am always iffy on for Stall even if it is pretty consistent in its job since it gets sort of locked into trying too hard to be a Do Shit mon that has issues with most of the more precise stall win cons but I do get what you're saying

tropic schooner Mar 23, 2023, 2:02 PM

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Glowking is just sorta a more offensive defensive mon thats why i excluded it off the list of random offensive mon

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Even like np torn would suffice but would require a way different approach than do nothing so that also falls short

tribal smelt Mar 23, 2023, 2:04 PM

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Do nothing is mostly the shittiest stall answer since at most you will only realistically bring it if you're having fun on ladder and experimenting or you bring it into tourney on a certified win on someone you know is going to bring a gambling offense/ very passive triple regen core (as showcased by Torn T Pex Gking stacks, do nothing legitimately feasts on every single variant of those teams if they fail to force their hand early)

tropic schooner Mar 23, 2023, 2:05 PM

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That do nothing also falls to cm gking 🤷‍♀️

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Ironically

tribal smelt Mar 23, 2023, 2:06 PM

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Which is the biggest hurdle of Do nothing: Yes, you can answer and waste time but at some point you're the one stuck being fished for crits

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The NP torn+ Clef is tried and true and gives you a lot of options to branch off from, and with the recent testing of Rachi as an obligatory steel you can go sort of nuts in making the team offensive while still causing a lot of dead turns

tropic schooner Mar 23, 2023, 2:07 PM

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Like any weakness berry on random mons in general

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Kinda fucks you up

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Especially random shuca

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On the aforementioned cm gking

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Which really hurts when your only way of dealing with it is knocking it till dead or chomping it

tribal smelt Mar 23, 2023, 2:09 PM

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The answer there becomes Hippowdon and Hippowdon on do nothing is patently dead past Kyurem meta

tropic schooner Mar 23, 2023, 2:10 PM

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Hippo is only good for your off mons to get the rolls on mons which is good but doesnt work on do nothing

tribal smelt Mar 23, 2023, 2:10 PM

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I suppose a do nothing in spirit becomes T spikes pex but LS is so easy to fit that it feels sort of useless

tribal smelt Mar 23, 2023, 2:11 PM

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tropic schooner Hippo is only good for your off mons to get the rolls on mons which is good but ...

More specifically it lets you run better 4ths on the two pinks while letting you reset weather but yeah do nothing + Hippo is bonified Bad

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If you really want spikes you could reasonably forfeit any decency and run a Reun CM semistall

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With HDB spam to compensate for the zero defog

balmy willow Mar 23, 2023, 7:01 PM

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gritty scaffold If ur gonna use sand rush exca

it's supposed to be mold breaker I guess I forgor abilities

balmy willow Mar 23, 2023, 7:02 PM

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tribal smelt I would personally pick one mon or one HO set and try to build the team with tha...

alright thanks

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also uh what does DPP mean

midnight ember Mar 23, 2023, 7:25 PM

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Diamond

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Pearl

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Platinum

karmic geyserBOT Mar 23, 2023, 7:56 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

peak canyon Mar 23, 2023, 7:56 PM

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SS OU https://pokepast.es/897076938ea93b6c

restive sphinx Mar 23, 2023, 7:57 PM

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peak canyon SS OU https://pokepast.es/897076938ea93b6c

whats with scarf tail

peak canyon Mar 23, 2023, 7:57 PM

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want to make it work

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offensive atales

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would specs be better?

tribal smelt Mar 23, 2023, 7:59 PM

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The issue is that ScarfTales requires a different sort of team to work here imo

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And your Shifu answer being Corv + Gastro is easy to wear down and Zeraora dosent really help with that mu

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Like yeah Bravebird + rocks works but how do you bring in corv aggressively

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Feels more like a Koko angle

peak canyon Mar 23, 2023, 8:01 PM

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koko over zeraora?

tribal smelt Mar 23, 2023, 8:02 PM

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For a start. I also genuinely don't like scarftales here

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What are you trying to hit with Scarftales that say Koko + Band Kartana brings

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And your steels getting worn down by hail is not ideal

peak canyon Mar 23, 2023, 8:03 PM

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nothing really. I just slapped on atales after the other 5 cause freeze dry was funny

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what do you suggest over it on this team and what teams would scarf work on?

tribal smelt Mar 23, 2023, 8:04 PM

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Scarf whenever I have seen it is on do or die offense (think SM offense that presses rocks then tries to click the most aggressive buttons possible)

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With zero leeway for pff
Corviknight

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Think Lele Melmetal Lando

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Thats where I've sparsely seen Scarftales thrown on

tribal smelt Mar 23, 2023, 8:06 PM

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peak canyon what do you suggest over it on this team and what teams would scarf work on?

As for overs I am genuinely shit at picking the needs in SS for these styles of offense. The simplest speed control that also happens to be scary is dragapult

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And if you're itching for ice STAB weavile probably works

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Regular HDB SD

peak canyon Mar 23, 2023, 8:07 PM

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yeah I'll probably go pult

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ty

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really appreciate it

tribal smelt Mar 23, 2023, 8:08 PM

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No worries. Someone will also probably come in and factcheck me later

midnight ember Mar 24, 2023, 12:16 AM

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You are about to witness the power of my BBC (Big Black Cyurem)

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https://pokepast.es/6868c58c16a65489

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I made this team in like 4 minutes

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If there's anything I need to change while still having an unconventional Mon/set, please let me know

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I will gladly allow it

tacit vigil Mar 24, 2023, 12:31 AM

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Assuming cb kyub is suboptimal Mon and this is Oras

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What is beheeyem and infernape doing

leaden fiber Mar 24, 2023, 1:03 AM

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the rest of this team is

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not fine

tribal smelt Mar 24, 2023, 1:14 AM

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https://pokepast.es/edb844b170636a2b GSC OU

karmic geyserBOT Mar 24, 2023, 1:14 AM

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New OU RMT @half jungle, @silver reef, @fresh thistle, @red delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tribal smelt Mar 24, 2023, 1:15 AM

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I've been staring at some of the teams lately and an underrated wincon is Muk to give room for one of the mono-attackers

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If anything I am starting to have issues with Vaporeon in the testing I've done the mon has done nothing except exist as a sack

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Feels like I could go spinner over Vaporeon

fresh thistle Mar 24, 2023, 1:18 AM

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have you felt that your team has limited counter play against curse snorlax?

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particularly monolax?

tribal smelt Mar 24, 2023, 1:19 AM

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Pff. Yes, so Gar or another boom helps.

red delta Mar 24, 2023, 1:19 AM

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karmic geyser New OU RMT <@212584940200656898>, <@197875786659659776>, <@114104415492898817>, ...

Main things I immediately noticed are:

you don't have a phazer
you have Rest Snorlax and Zapdos -> your sleeping Lax or Zapdos could allow an opposing CurseLax to setup after which it is very difficult to get rid of it without exploding multiple pokemon; Curse RestTalk Snorlax in particular is very dangerous for you
you don't have a normal resist at all. Your opponent can use Explosion pretty freely without many ways to punish them, even if you predict right

tribal smelt Mar 24, 2023, 1:20 AM

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I actually just noticed that

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Oh I am dumb as hell

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Uh pff instant thing that patches is Golem actually

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Over Vaporeon/Hera

red delta Mar 24, 2023, 1:22 AM

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(also no electric resist, which doesn't seem great considering that Zapdos will often get sent in vs your Hera and Vaporeon)

fresh thistle Mar 24, 2023, 1:24 AM

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building with muk provides some unique challenges

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its an explosion user that has a bit better matchup than most against steel types

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but is poor against the common rock types + gengar

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id be curious about what you have been successfully exploding on with it

tribal smelt Mar 24, 2023, 1:26 AM

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I do have this immediate answer to the problem which might make it more to taste

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https://pokepast.es/64d2a6d2f1a7e2c0

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Since I was too busy staring at the Borat bible to remember the basics

fresh thistle Mar 24, 2023, 1:27 AM

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inspiring muk usage for over a decade

tribal smelt Mar 24, 2023, 1:27 AM

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fresh thistle id be curious about what you have been successfully exploding on with it

A weird one has been Machamp. You go down to 81, live an EQ, curse once, live barely with second, boom

fresh thistle Mar 24, 2023, 1:29 AM

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I feel this second team may have a better chance against offensive teams

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but lacks the tools to dismantle stall

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an isnt suited for a drawn out stall matchup

tribal smelt Mar 24, 2023, 1:30 AM

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Then I suppose the replacement becomes Vaporeon > Hera..?

fresh thistle Mar 24, 2023, 1:30 AM

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and i think gengar will still prove to be a thorn in your side

tribal smelt Mar 24, 2023, 1:30 AM

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I feel I got the idea right but sort of overdid it in the first draft

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Actually very much overdid it

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Another thing I could do for Gar is go Ttar, as stated pretty well in the analysis is throw in a Ttar somewhere with Kou + Lax, the unorthodox Lax set showcased actually feels really nice with Muk in particular

fresh thistle Mar 24, 2023, 1:34 AM

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it is difficult to optimize a muk team

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it doesnt have the best niche in the current meta

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but i feel it should stick to offensive teams - it is a liability / a boom bot on defensive teams

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I think you could perhaps see some success with muk on a similar structure to this sample: https://pokepast.es/755b1a9b192ed5a1

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muk > egg and ttar > golem

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it is somewhat similar to your initial draft

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though i think golem can also be a good partner for muk

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perhaps the easiest way to get muk in is vs cloy

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and golem can spin away the opponents spikes and in turn invite in cloy

tribal smelt Mar 24, 2023, 1:38 AM

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Aah. The very first thing I did when I saw Muk was "this can replace an Eggy somewhere" and as I was trying to come up with replacements this sample came to mind

hazy grotto Mar 24, 2023, 1:39 AM

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tribal smelt https://pokepast.es/edb844b170636a2b GSC OU

I don’t play GSC but are the EV’s suppose to be like that ?

tribal smelt Mar 24, 2023, 1:39 AM

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Its a weird mon with some really weird booms but I get why it was held with some reverence in the ogs

tribal smelt Mar 24, 2023, 1:40 AM

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hazy grotto I don’t play GSC but are the EV’s suppose to be like that ?

Thats what happens when Smogon gives a nature, you autopilot click select then the helper instantly realizes "wait wtf EVs are maxed in this gen"

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So no, but yes kind of

karmic geyserBOT Mar 24, 2023, 5:08 AM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @naive stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

balmy willow Mar 24, 2023, 5:27 AM

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SS OU https://pokepast.es/ebb441d464ea4ae7

karmic geyserBOT Mar 24, 2023, 5:27 AM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

balmy willow Mar 24, 2023, 5:37 AM

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balmy willow SS OU https://pokepast.es/ebb441d464ea4ae7

i changed Natures Madness on fini to moonblast

naive stump Mar 24, 2023, 6:16 AM

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It's a well-known structure, so good job on that

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Only aspect I dislike is that lack of offensive pressure if you go for the usual scizor BO

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Esp when Tapu Fini over Toxapex actually gives you more room for Zard-X as well (even if it force you to run defog on fini)

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So, atm, it kinda feel like a bit of a mixed-bad for the structure

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Some elements of Scizor BO (Heatran + Greninja + Landorus-Therian) and some elements of Scizor Balance (Toxapex + Z-Tornadus-Therian)

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I can help for each case but I will ask then what path you want to follow then now

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Like, if we go for a balance, we can accept the lack of offensive pressure, but, in that case, I will try to improve the solidity of the core

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On the other hand, if we go for a BO, I will improve for sure the offensive pressure on the team

austere scarab Mar 24, 2023, 6:52 AM

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naive stump Some elements of Scizor BO (Heatran + Greninja + Landorus-Therian) and some elem...

make a new team for me

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a team that takes down all their pokemon with them

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without any problem

midnight ember Mar 24, 2023, 10:29 AM

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tacit vigil What is beheeyem and infernape doing

I needed like two other mons to uae

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Use

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