Old Gens OU

[obtuse prairie]

ferro becomes a better check when it has a dark resist ready to tag team gren

[leaden fiber]

Ye

[obtuse prairie]

ye

i will say tbolt is very weak

idet it dents spdef pex?

[leaden fiber]

yeah ill probaly use it

thunder i mean

so who defogs and z's

[obtuse prairie]

ideally a secondary blanket to psyspam too

one focus on ferro its perdemos

[leaden fiber]

ayuda

empoleon

maybe i run like

spin 3a z drill

[obtuse prairie]

eh feels random

maybe we'll just have to take the L against psyspam

cant win em all

still have ferro + shark and kart to pressure so those r good

[leaden fiber]

Well psyspam teams kinda get fucked eventually by kart

[obtuse prairie]

ya

speaking of kart

we do not take him well either

[leaden fiber]

that is very true

zap?

[obtuse prairie]

prob

[leaden fiber]

or actually

z torn

doesnt sound terrible

[obtuse prairie]

ya

man if i didnt lose my builder id show you my shark team

it was basically offense w lele + pfangs shark

[leaden fiber]

O

fly z?

[obtuse prairie]

ye

[leaden fiber]

does that run max max

spatk

[obtuse prairie]

since your the kart check you prob want max hp

[leaden fiber]

thats true

https://pokepast.es/f78688b033e80d1c

[obtuse prairie]

probably would go helm torn atp

have to get back to studying but try it out and see

if problems feel free to ask here

[leaden fiber]

ah okay

ty

[naive stump]

I dont like this team at all

it does not break any decent fat

and it basically almost lose on preview against zam

spikes hazards can be could with mshark, but you really need to speed up the process

like adding much more offensive pressure with better breaker

[leaden fiber]

this is what i had originally

[naive stump]

because, if you go for the kind of hazards stacks with bulky CM user, then sharp just does not make any sense and I would add a better mega such as latias instead

hum

pretty much the same issue

[leaden fiber]

yea i g i could just slap a mlati here and try again w sharpedo

[naive stump]

yh

maybe make the kart band

put a lando over that glis

something like z-lando to lure grass sounds cool here

overall, I think mshark suit hazards stacks offense

almost HO

[leaden fiber]

ah okay

ill just lati here and try to make an offense then

makes sense velvet said similar thing

[naive stump]

yh, that's the issue with shark overall

its hard to put it anywhere than that kind of builds

[leaden fiber]

makes sense

[naive stump]

because low defense untility, hit hard but not enough and its not a real form of speed control

so, when you build shark, its better to consider it as a single one shot

[rugged fossil]

Do u think treemans team would do better

In a gen where

Mega maw and manaphy were to be banned

[tribal smelt]

Probably

Mmaw and Manaphy are both momentum sinks that die randomly to most balance fits while being stall annihilators

[naive stump]

Ig

Treeman already take account of those two anw

[tribal smelt]

I once ran physdef rest talk Tran to deal with MMaw during main gen which worked until they all started running fighting coverage for that interaction >:/

[naive stump]

Kek

Hum

I saw Iron Defense skarm for SD maw

But I would just give up the idea of having a defensive check for maw or mana

Neither kart or lele btw

That's just the nature of the tier

[tribal smelt]

What covers maw + Kart though realistically you'd need like.

Moltres with heavy defog support

Which leaves you usually wide open to stuff you shitstomp like Koko

[naive stump]

Yh

Evil core

Maw + kart + mag is a bitch to deal for ferro squad

[tribal smelt]

Simplest answer for most SM bs becomes "outspeed double kill"

[flint ridge]

i like the gren ver better

[tribal smelt]

Which is fine

[naive stump]

Maybe more stable indeed

I was thinking more at that ojama shit squad

Gastro lando torn mag maw kart

[tribal smelt]

Sort of based

Might even go idk

Mie

Over gastro

[naive stump]

Starmie is funny

[tribal smelt]

I think you can EV starmie to live Tran bloom

If not you get a spinner that trolls magma trapper sets

Which is still valuable

[naive stump]

Yh

https://pokepast.es/9bc738fbb22778d0

Was some shit I tried with starmie

[tribal smelt]

That is really silly but I like it

Wishpass Mmaw to make stall mu braindead

[naive stump]

Yh

[tribal smelt]

While Moltres clicks big Z turn 1 or defogs

[naive stump]

Overall, cleric and wish passer are useful for maw

Avoid to die on spikes

And scald burn from pex

[tribal smelt]

I guess something to Explore is wishpass chansey offense with maw...?

Even just those two have fine coverage for tier bs

[naive stump]

Already exist I think

[tribal smelt]

If you want true silly ig Mola GWF

[naive stump]

Mola is cool indeed

[torpid forge]

SM Ou https://pokepast.es/e36c6a59cece68c1

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie, @naive stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[naive stump]

I'm not liking lele MU here

Specs lele clicks moonblast

[tribal smelt]

• Dont think cm rocks is the play

But ig why you slotted

[naive stump]

Its a fair set ig

Just using raw CM as a late winco

[torpid forge]

What could be the changes

[naive stump]

And can win on preview

Hum

If ttar + medi was the idea

I could imagine something faster

With band ttar instead to melt medi checks with pursuit

The issue will be stall MU

But just freeze the sableye ig lol

Something like heatran AV tang band ttar medi lando scarf koko maybe

[torpid forge]

Um

[naive stump]

That way you can run t-punch + electric terrain to beat bleye

AV tang sucks, but def need that role compression unfort

[torpid forge]

I don't understand the sableye thing

[naive stump]

Sableye counter medicham

[torpid forge]

Oh that

[naive stump]

Unless you freeze it with ice punch

[torpid forge]

But I don't think using it infront of sableye would be good in the first part?

Cuz will o wisp

[naive stump]

Or you run thunder punch alongside the boost of electric terrain from koko

?

I mean

If you stay on sableye with medi

Just learn to play

The thing is that medi beat almost everything on stall

Apart

Shedinja and sableye

[torpid forge]

Kk I get it

[naive stump]

So, its kinda ez to predict what you opponent will do

And click the right move

With tyranitar pursuit + koko, medi should single-handed stall

Not the easiest gameplan, but at least you can beat it on paper

[torpid forge]

Ok Thx For The help

[naive stump]

Np

[gritty scaffold]

Gen 7 ou https://pokepast.es/b6034d5003b468a6

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie, @naive stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

ive tried to build around kyurem although unsure on what to change here ping when reply

[obtuse prairie]

doesnt looks bad tho idt pex needs to be here rly

sort of counter intuitive with fini

[gritty scaffold]

oh bc of misty terrain

so perhaps i can use spikes mon mayb

[obtuse prairie]

ferro is nb, gives you a secondary vs rain and psyspam stuff asw

[gritty scaffold]

yea perhaps prob i should use instead of pex then thanks

[obtuse prairie]

any issues while using it otherwise?

[gritty scaffold]

i mean prob will be harder to check set up mons without haze to stop stuff like volca , mscizor aswell although ill be trying to see out how it will work

[obtuse prairie]

oo ye those are tough

[gritty scaffold]

although for volca i have ttar and exca and celestela might be able to just force out mscizor bc even though with knock off it can 2koh at +2 celestela can just flamethower it which 2koh with a with a (70.3-83.3) to the hp and sp def investment of mscizor

[obtuse prairie]

yea tho you do have a lot of avenues for volc to set up/gain momentum

via kyurem/cele/ferro/fini

[gritty scaffold]

for now imma test too see if theres any big issue on the matchups

[obtuse prairie]

could prob lean away from double steel and yeet cele or ferro

[rare token]

pdef hp fire tang > pex

should be good

improves the rain mu which is already pretty bad as is

[gritty scaffold]

sure ig

ill be trying out tang aswell

[gritty scaffold]

yea true

[naive stump]

This is some classic sand

I'm not too sure to understand the kyurem ngl

And ofc the double water core

Empo made a really similar six during spl

Zapdos > fini

Kartana band > kyurem

[gritty scaffold]

i mean i thought would be good to wall some defensive mons that wouldt be really able to do anything agaisnt it

[gritty scaffold]

yea sure

[naive stump]

Sure

[gritty scaffold]

honestly i feel like theres many options to try

[naive stump]

Well, its a very classic sand structure

Celes toxa exca mttar

Can do a lot from that point

Like I said, I dont feel like the team support that well kyurem overall

[gritty scaffold]

perhaps

[naive stump]

That pokemon has real issue againt fini, scizor, ...

Oh well, up to you ofc

I dont think its a bad pick either

Fini toxa is def the most objectical issue I can saw

[gritty scaffold]

yea ive been using for now ferro and tangrowth instead

ferro bein workin more overal to beat stuff like fini although scizor my celestella just handles fine and even fini can scald it

[naive stump]

You have a full toxa as well

And no

Fini will not burn scizor

[gritty scaffold]

it doesnt?

[naive stump]

Misty terrain

[gritty scaffold]

it affects even secondary effects

[naive stump]

Yh lol

[gritty scaffold]

oh

[naive stump]

Scald is here to punish flyer and levitate

[gritty scaffold]

well still celestella hands fine sort of

[naive stump]

Yh lol

Celes toxa

Scizor do nothing here

I just thing that medicham is a huge issue for you without another flyer to support celes imo

But its maybe me that its too blinded by what empo already made on that field

[gritty scaffold]

preety sure fini can handle aswell

[naive stump]

Nah

Sand chip + medi hitting

Just destroy fini so quickly here

And nothing want to stay on medi as well

Issue is how everything is slower than medi

Apart exca UNDER sand

[gritty scaffold]

yea true my team is very passive

[naive stump]

Hum

Yh

Which is why I really liked something faster on kyurem slot

[gritty scaffold]

like the kart

[naive stump]

Yep

But well

Its only my opinion

But ttar builds

Always lose against something on preview

Its extremely hard to support the whole core of exca + ttar

Without opening yourself to some glaring weakness

Its worth in the end because sand is very anti-meta by nature, but need to keep that fact in mind

[gritty scaffold]

i mean at same time id say is kinda worth using ttar

sometimes pursuit is crucial

[naive stump]

Its exactly what I said kek

Ttar is the kind of bastard that can do a lot indeed

[gritty scaffold]

is just not that easy to use

[naive stump]

Yh

Sand in sm for you

Hard to build

But can go a long way

And very ez to customize to beat what you want

I like a lot excadrill in general

Even if I think you def need to support it as well

[gritty scaffold]

yea sp def exca is a thing ever since bw

[naive stump]

Like, actual pressure on zapdos, skarm or celes

Hum

Def = definitely

Mb

Hum

Another really famous six

If you wish to keep fini

Is mttar z-rock exca serp fini celes torn

[gritty scaffold]

oo

[naive stump]

Same formula than what I explained before

[gritty scaffold]

neither way great bc theres even though im still using ttar and exca is always good having some diff mons thanks

[naive stump]

Np

[naive stump]

Yh

Even if

Need to consider spedef exca as a fake steel

As exca will never check zam or lele

Good for magearna tho

[gritty scaffold]

kills rotom

[naive stump]

Ig

Need to be careful around willo/hpump

[gritty scaffold]

yea

[naive stump]

Like

I have some squad

With both spedef exca + spedef celes

[gritty scaffold]

neat core

[naive stump]

Yh

[gritty scaffold]

imma gtg now sleep cya

[naive stump]

Sure, cya

[dry bay]

Yow kaiser is back from rating lmao

[warped venture]

https://pokepast.es/197616063be17b66

Sword and Shield OU Offense team I made a while back but never bothered to get rated.

Still debating between Gking and AV Lele in the last slot, but other than that, I've been serving me quite well.

Oh wait uhhh whoops wrong format lol
https://pokepast.es/197616063be17b66
SSOU

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[warped venture]

there we go.

[warped venture]

https://pokepast.es/6d28597023ee0f85
oh yeah here it is with Gking if that makes it easier.

[flint ridge]

fogrocks Lando on bo too much on 1 mon

[warped venture]

I stated that this is an offensively based team a couple times now, not BO, and as far as I'm aware, RocksFog Lando is fine on a team as offensively oriented as this.

Heck one of the better offensive teams running Beat Up Weav employed the same kind of Lando.

[tribal smelt]

I kind of hate the idea for Lele here since if you want to force a dead turn you could slap on Gking instead

Making it regular specs works too since like what Lele realistically switches in hard on Rachi to Fsight

If anything Zone Weavile Chomp teams are like low key your biggest issue

Oh nvm I am SO SORRY..

I thought it was lele

[warped venture]

Oh no you're good, I was debating between the two. I hadn't decided yet.

[tribal smelt]

This still rings true

Trap Rachi chomp Weavile go absolutely fucking bonkers

[warped venture]

Well, I do have other outs VS Chomp and Weav that aren't Rachi, albiet I would rather make use of them offensively.

[tribal smelt]

Since sure, Fini Buzzwole is a stop gap, but it takes what 2 fsights and a dream to make your momentum go into a deep pit

[flint ridge]

buzz and gling is a little passive for those teams

[warped venture]

I gtg for a bit, hopefully can get back to this later.

[warped venture]

Buzz is literally one of Offense's biggest Glue Mons, and Gking is good because it is a RegenVest mon able to make progress offensively.

[tribal smelt]

In my head the turns they get are like Weavile turn 1, scares out Lando so your fini/buzzwole takes chip, they get in their rocker, they pivot until you fuck up with Rachi and then they click SD relentlessly

Which is like the best possible progress WeavChomp double SD teams want

The thing that stops that in its tracks requires some deep restructuring like Zapdos + Lando as the dedicated volt turn

Forfeit gking, maybe swap Buzz

Etc I think you get my thought process

In essence this team idea sits on the edge of being sexy offense

[warped venture]

Noted, I'll look more into this later.

This was my first attempt at a full blown offensive team rather than "Balance team that just so happens to be offensive by nature."

Tried to do my homework a bit before diving in, but I'm still surprised I actually didn't do too badly.

[tribal smelt]

I like the idea of Gmolt Moltres plus Albanian Jirachi since its not as useless as it would be on paper

Obligatory Steel, lele check + Hard to punish dark

Its that the 4 other mons have to all be somewhat fat while being extremely aggressive

[warped venture]

I thought it sounded great too, part of why I centered around it. Will hopefully get to defensive restructuring later though.

[tribal smelt]

So for once as much as I hate it Volt Switch Zapdos works here

With Lando T as the bail out

Rocker

Because then you get Kart check (kind of I forget the EVs for volt switch zapdos) and stealth rock and volt turn

[warped venture]

Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
EVs: 80 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 172 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Thunderbolt/Defog
• Volt Switch
• Hurricane
• Roost

think this might be the set you're talking abt (at least as far as I'm aware this is Zap's spread on Offense.)

[tribal smelt]

Yeah that one

[warped venture]

like I said I tried to do my research before jumping into it blindly.

[tribal smelt]

Since then you get like two whole team slots of customization while still being able to randomly turn 3 or 4 set up and win with Gmolt

[warped venture]

I think I might end up keeping Fini simply because I still appreciate the defensive utility it brings, as well as Gmolt and Fini both wearing down fatter cores for each other.

[tribal smelt]

Since you have so much potential damage outright you could probably forfeit defog if youre being extremely greedy

[warped venture]

With Fini idt I can afford to outright drop it, with how often Hazards screw it from checking a mon it normally should.

[tribal smelt]

Nvm I have fat eyes Ferrothorn freeroams

With Fini you also get like a semi-fraud check to Shifu

Since sure it will win long term but like it has to do shit all the time

To be useful

[warped venture]

Yeah I'm more worried about Shifu than Weav tbh (which is a sentence I never thought I'd say.)

Since at the very least I could RK Weav with Rachi
Shifu
lol nope

[tribal smelt]

Idk 6th if so you are already cramming in as much shit as you can in one box

May as well go do or die offense and slap on a dangerous 6th

[tropic schooner]

I think dangerous 6th should still at least be a dragon

[tribal smelt]

Definitely

I am unsure if its drag.

[tropic schooner]

Im saying at least

But ykyk

Kommo

Ykyk

[tribal smelt]

That is unbelievably based

[warped venture]

Oh yeah Kommo would abuse Hwish a lot.

[tribal smelt]

Plus wtf burns it

[warped venture]

I forgot they were a thing, even when I had my Kommo-o phase.

[tribal smelt]

Fini + voltturn

Litshurally impossible to status

[tropic schooner]

You can even run

[warped venture]

just tryna decide between Tpunch and Ipunch on Subsalac

[tropic schooner]

Tpunch or pjab

[warped venture]

wait no not Ice Punch that literally only hits Lando.

Who I'm pretty sure loses anyway.

https://pokepast.es/7ded12edcd499958

literally "we ball" the team.

[tropic schooner]

I would really love to fit hstack here but

Hwish

[warped venture]

Oh hey wait Kommo also gives me a free mon to set up with on Shadow Ball and such.

[tropic schooner]

Exactly

Decent blace check

[warped venture]

"oh you thought Pult/Blace could clean now? Die."

[tropic schooner]

I mean pult does still clean if you let fini die

[warped venture]

okay SPECS Pult >:(

[tropic schooner]

It just gets a singular turn right and youre dead

[warped venture]

wait no Specs Pult too nvm lol

[warped venture]

but at the same time with Gmolt if they get a single turn wrong, they're probably gonna take punishment they can't recover from.

[tropic schooner]

Unless its ttar ghost spam which you just perish to unconditionally

You have nothing reasonable to switch into aegi

Nor do you deal much damage to it

[warped venture]

I keep thinking Flash Cannon is a bullet Move and that I can just make Pjab Tpunch for some reason.

[tropic schooner]

Flash cannon sadly just puts you in not sub bd salac range

You cant do that after getting flash cannoned

[warped venture]

Though also
Sand in general is just accepting death

specifically Exca Tar double Band

but I guess trying to deal with Weather on Offense has never really been a fair fight.

[tribal smelt]

I think this is the Gmolt conundrum since some archetypes you have to sincerely accept to gamble

[warped venture]

I think it's a mix of that, and the fact that Weather has just
never really been an MU Offense was good in.

at least afaik

[tribal smelt]

Its more manageable in some choice gens

You can forfeit turns to sand to get its shit going

[tropic schooner]

A lot of offense can clean when weather goes down tho

[tribal smelt]

Cant really do that vs rain teams on modern

[tropic schooner]

You cant even do that since every time you try to golt

Ttar is there

[tribal smelt]

More that the issue has always been "heres something that hits twice as hard as you while being twice as fast glhf"

Ttar hits twice as hard as you too lol

[tropic schooner]

How much you wanna bet ttar sedge does 30 to kommo

[tribal smelt]

I'd expect more Ttar is scary

[gritty scaffold]

Rain teams in swsh feels more harder to beat

Specially stuff like weatherball and discharge zapdos

Seismtoad aswell another annoying mon to deal on rain

[tribal smelt]

Its one of rains best MUs yeah, turn one bird turn two Zapdos/anything proceed to have free tempo all game

[tropic schooner]

252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Kommo-o: 114-134 (39 - 45.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after sandstorm damage

[tribal smelt]

You have to be really good at offense to be comfy

[tropic schooner]

God

[tribal smelt]

Now calc Ttar vs Gmolt.

[tropic schooner]

252+ SpA Moltres-Galar Hurricane vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 54-65 (15.8 - 19%) -- possible 6HKO

[restive sphinx]

M Medicham team any changes I should make or is it fine

https://pokepast.es/89fb3170ed600106

[tropic schooner]

Trash

[tribal smelt]

You will always have gmolt conundrum vs sand, a little bit less vs Sun, a whole lot vs rain

[tropic schooner]

Tbf

Sun still hard claims

Especially ninetales funnily enough

[tribal smelt]

I say a little bit since some sun teams you braindead smash buttons into one another until x left on either side wins

[tropic schooner]

Shiftry sun can struggle but meh

[gritty scaffold]

Why no hazard setter

[restive sphinx]

No room, if I want drill to have sr over toxic then I struggle with certain switch ins

[gritty scaffold]

I mean but u will struggle already

With stuff like choice band sucker punch which is kinda rng reliant

[warped venture]

yeah no that's really what it feels like sometimes lol

[gritty scaffold]

And with no stealth rock stuff like zard y will just make it harder

[warped venture]

I load into Rain, they go "here's a Barraskewda, gg."

[gritty scaffold]

Or volca and many other stealth rock weak pokemon

[warped venture]

Sun is like the only one Offense has a chance against in SS, and yeah that's just ooga booga button mashing until one side wins.

tbh the button mashing is fun, but like I'm pretty sure too much Sun VS Wless Offense will actually fry your brain with how "click and pray" it is for both sides.

[tropic schooner]

Does +2 golt wrath do enough for me to live a sun boosted eruption? We will find out!!!

[warped venture]

Literally just "will it blend" but it's a Pokémon battle.

[restive sphinx]

Ok I’m running rocks now may update if it works

[tribal smelt]

In my eyes though Neon this is a good idea

I know SwSh heat is a bit dead since theres not tourneys going on but it feels like Rachi heat is seeding

[gritty scaffold]

Mfw bdsp is just gone and now i can only play with friends

[tribal smelt]

The mon was never bad after Kyurem ban its that Gastrodon was so fast to be picked up that outside of stall teams it never saw testing

[gritty scaffold]

I wish though they couldve let uber tiers as a ladder just like ou but i assume there isnt alot of ppl who would play ubers of old gens

[tropic schooner]

Rachi is just a surprisingly good mon

Rn

[tribal smelt]

Its simple as fuck in what it is but what it does is good for teamslot crunching

"Eat future sight switch into Lele"

Proceed to build literally wtf ever

[tropic schooner]

Its a wish passer/speed control pivot that deals with lele and clef

[tribal smelt]

It does that too I forgot that part

It living and revenging weavile is also valuable if the need ever comes

[tropic schooner]

It also has the convenient access to rocks and can deal some damage over the course of games with serene grace ihead

I like colbur on stall rachi

[tribal smelt]

The one reason why I havent been throwing heat with it is that I never like mons that can lock you into "weak to Tran except genuinely no bs weak to tran" builds

It dosent suffer from it nearly as bad as pff scizor luke warm heat

But it is sort of annoying

[tropic schooner]

Idk i think my build does well enough

[tribal smelt]

It does but when someone points at teams that run Gastrodon + Steel and claim they're bad I get why

Its a matter of compromises in SwSh and people wont buy it in a metagame so hard built on "this has to feel good on a turn to turn basis" that Rachi sometimes suffers in

Same for gsc sort of

[warped venture]

Unironically this team has given me a lot of faith in the idea that Rachi offense could potentially surge with some experimentation.

This thing enables so much by just existing it's absurd.

or really just, Rachi in general looks like a very good mon for quite a few structures.

[restive sphinx]

Struggling with the M-Medicham team anyone know a good final mon for it

https://pokepast.es/406881d110ccdf34

Was thinking about jirachii but idk if it would fit well

Update I’m running scarf jirachii now

[silver reef]

U can run latias + landot/tank chomp as ur last two if u bin the exca

It works aswell

CB bish is terrible compared to SD

[restive sphinx]

Bin?

[silver reef]

Replace*

[restive sphinx]

Oh ok

[silver reef]

Lati ground bish thund rotom medi

[restive sphinx]

I’m using band bc I needed a pursuit mon

[silver reef]

Is fine

[restive sphinx]

Ok thank you 👍

Latios or ais?

[silver reef]

U can try AV if u wanna use pursuit, the issue with CB bish is that cb sucker is very hard to use w.o getting punished

[silver reef]

Both can work (latias can actually eat an ice punch at full if rocks are not up)

[restive sphinx]

From anything or a specific mon?

[silver reef]

From mmedi

Should have specified

[leaden fiber]

wow

suxciety, oras rater

fr

[silver reef]

Shut up zerkas

I learned from ithi

[leaden fiber]

What

[silver reef]

Wdym what

[leaden fiber]

what could u have possibly learned

wtf

[silver reef]

How to not build ORAS

gg

[restive sphinx]

Oh ok, also should I run rocks chomp or sd

[leaden fiber]

Both

Duh

[silver reef]

Run Tank Chomp

Just so u can force more passive chip vs mega fighters

[restive sphinx]

Ok it’s done now thanks for help

https://pokepast.es/f96f42b152a202b9

[silver reef]

Use max hp latias, not LO

LO actually dies to ice punch

248hp/8 def/max speed

HW psychic defog twave

Colbur berry

Or rocky helmet if u want

[restive sphinx]

Oh ok I just copy pasted the smogon set

[restive sphinx]

Also why T wave Rotom and thundurus already spread it reliably

Also what’s the nature or does it not matter

[silver reef]

Cause twave latias hits mons like mmedi, max speed mana and denies setup from non lum variants of volc, dnite and gyara

[leaden fiber]

weavile!

[silver reef]

Ye u can para weavile if they click knock if ur colbur

[restive sphinx]

Ok team now

https://pokepast.es/540e453322286143

[restive sphinx]

@silver reef thx for help team worked very well https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen6ou-1817378756-tz46p0vgaricx5qm2xp6qjsg7qylma0pw

[gritty scaffold]

anyone to rate Gen 4 ou https://pokepast.es/67243b96a6f39b8d

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

kinda tried to build around mamo lead although unsure on what to change here i mean maybe mamo isnt really a good lead so perhaps i should try build around lax im really unsure

[restive sphinx]

"man im gonna have so much fun playing gen 4 OU"

no youre not the sand is coming 😂

[short hedge]

solid team my friend, id run chople berry on magnezone instead of lefties, explosion > toxic on zone. everything else looks good to be honest, maybe consider crunch on snorlax because if ttar goes down on a sub switch, snorlax get walled hard by gengar. for example opp switches out to gengar on dnite, subs, ttar comes in, dies to focus blast. you're in a predicament where you have to rely on starmie's speed

DD Stone Edge / Ice Fang Gyarados beats your team pretty badly atm

maybe consider magneton (scarf) > magnezone to outspeed adamant gyara

i don't mind running 2 scarfers personally but you dont have any other choiced user so i think its fine

[peak canyon]

How's this gen 4 ou team https://pokepast.es/6531b0b899f7349e

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

Alr then thanks

[restive sphinx]

making a M charzard Y bait team does this look fine rn https://pokepast.es/59052925c2268091

[radiant silo]

Does anyone see any glaring weaknesses with my Gen 8 OU team?

[ebon oyster]

I have 2 questions: 1. What is Psychic used to hit on Volcarona and 2. Does the SD Garchomp fulfill a specific role in attacking? I feel like it could be replaced with a hazard setter or smth

[leaden fiber]

psy is normal on

that volc

its ss

[leaden fiber]

remove skewda, give smth rocks, add a switchin to shifu

Idk its not bad structure i guess U just need a little more bulk and skewda out of rain s not good

@hasty ingot do u have thoughts also?

[hasty ingot]

unironically remove ice punch on melm for rock slide

i think barraskewda should definitely be swapped; i could see futureport slowbro here

could go lum berry on garchomp over lefties since the team is more fast paced then

[leaden fiber]

what do u think abt sd rocks chomp

idk how i feel abt this offense w/o rocks

[hasty ingot]

im not a fan of sd rocks personally

at that point i think i'd just go SpD chomp

which is probably better here anyways

[late fog]

@naive stump hey uhh could you send me a few sample teams

for fat

i now need a few inspirations

gen7 ou

[naive stump]

I already sent you a few stuff iirc

https://pokepast.es/0724768e5a01af42
https://pokepast.es/d3faf67e59fa92c2

[late fog]

yeah it was these two itself that you sent

[tribal smelt]

Gen 8 OU
https://pokepast.es/d38c9e993d78e136

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tribal smelt]

Zz supposed to be ls knock pex

Nvm think lele mu is manageable but fsight really isnt

Might give up on Tspikes pex

[tropic schooner]

I dont think yawn is that good on do nothing

I think toxic would provide more value

[tribal smelt]

Yeah. Yawn has been me slapping it on to force awkward mu vs defog but on do nothing it dosent help

[tropic schooner]

Yawn is only good if you have some kinda weavile or koko on the team

[flint ridge]

vs defog u just force a burn no?

[tropic schooner]

Getting a burn isnt the best on defoggers as toxic is way more efficient

[tribal smelt]

Too slow plus you need knock

[restive sphinx]

gen 3 team, any suggestions to replace swellow bc i actually think cloyster is fine https://pokepast.es/b986223afbdac974

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cerulean imp]

how is my team for gen 8 ou? (ignore nicknames)

[flint ridge]

but I’m the biggest bird I’m the biggest bird

bigger than that castle

[tacit vigil]

What even are your mons

and use pokepaste

[flint ridge]

https://pokepast.es/138099ac8f0edd1b sm

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie, @naive stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rare token]

Chansey + offense usually don’t go together

This needs a av magearna or heatran

It gets murdered by Mzam and Lele

[cerulean imp]

u can clearly see them....

[tribal smelt]

You really cant

Just use pokepaste

[naive stump]

I dont dislike the idea but I feel scizor is a pain to break

• serperior with sub seed for example is a bitch for you

Might prefer something like zone over diancie

And put tias over bro or chansey

And glis over lando

[cerulean imp]

https://pokepast.es/53e8144742db2b31

here

[tacit vigil]

@orchid tiger @hasty ingot salvageable?

[orchid tiger]

Unfortunately no unless they can go ho it’s kinda of then

[hasty ingot]

not at all

sorry

[flint ridge]

ig but I have hp fire lando

[flint ridge]

think I have my outs with chansey and spdef bro

[naive stump]

Yh, why not, just not liking how scizor will easily u-turn

Like, Scizor can abuse kart or KB for example

And you almost need to go lando or bro once he click SD

So, the u-turn is kinda free and hazards + that is an annoying pattern for you

I like kart + KB core but I really think a zone is needed to support the core

Can even run eject button on slowbro alongside to ease the trap moreover

[cerulean imp]

Wdym

Salvageable

[stiff sail]

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Ability: Keen Eye
EVs: 110 HP / 110 Def / 218 SpD / 70 Spe
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Spikes
• Sleep Talk
• Whirlwind
• Rest

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 200 SpD / 56 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Rock Slide
• Dragon Dance
• Earthquake
• Hidden Power [Bug]

Charizard @ Liechi Berry
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 56 HP / 48 Atk / 204 SpA / 200 Spe
Naughty Nature

• Belly Drum
• Substitute
• Fire Blast
• Earthquake

Smeargle @ Leftovers
Ability: Own Tempo
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Agility
• Baton Pass
• Substitute
• Encore

Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 128 HP / 176 SpA / 164 SpD / 40 Spe
Sassy Nature

• Toxic
• Earthquake
• Hydro Pump
• Ice Beam

Gengar @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 240 SpA / 120 SpD / 148 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Will-O-Wisp
• Giga Drain
• Thunderbolt
• Haze

I might replace zard with metagross

I completely forgot ninjask existed and has baton pass

[restive sphinx]

Gen 3?

[stiff sail]

yes

Ninjask @ Leftovers
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 156 SpA / 100 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe

• Baton Pass
• Protect
• Substitute
• Hidden Power [Fire]

Gengar @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 240 SpA / 120 SpD / 148 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Will-O-Wisp
• Giga Drain
• Thunderbolt
• Haze

Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 128 HP / 176 SpA / 164 SpD / 40 Spe
Sassy Nature

• Toxic
• Earthquake
• Hydro Pump
• Ice Beam

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Ability: Keen Eye
EVs: 110 HP / 110 Def / 218 SpD / 70 Spe
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Spikes
• Sleep Talk
• Whirlwind
• Rest

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 200 SpD / 56 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Rock Slide
• Dragon Dance
• Earthquake
• Hidden Power [Bug]

Metagross @ Lum Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 164 Atk / 88 Def / 216 SpD / 40 Spe
Careful Nature

• Meteor Mash
• Agility
• Explosion
• Earthquake

updated the team

[restive sphinx]

Don’t run haze on gengar

That’s it really everything else looks fine

[stiff sail]

Why no haze? I wanted some options for setup heavy teams

[restive sphinx]

My brother in Christ, you are the setup heavy team 💀

[stiff sail]

Yeah and I dont like it when they get to set up for free either

what would be better there then?

[restive sphinx]

I mean roar works perfectly fine

[stiff sail]

oh yeah

I forgot skarm has that

should I put ghost stab in haze’s place? I know its physical but… it is stab too

[restive sphinx]

I would also personally make metagross band 252 adamant since it’s probably gonna get max speed from a pass anyways

[stiff sail]

I wanted to give it some options if ninjask is out of commission for whatever reason

[restive sphinx]

No it doesn’t run ghost stab it goes with ice punch

[stiff sail]

I see

never seen ice punch gengar before

[restive sphinx]

It’s special in gen 3 hence why it runs it

And bolt beam of any kind is insane coverage wise

[stiff sail]

yeah thats true

nothing resists both

I forgor

are you sure I should be running my metagross with adamant band? or can it work just fine like this?

[restive sphinx]

Idk but adamant band explosion one shots skarm from 100%

[stiff sail]

oh yeah, thats true

that could be super helpful

I might band it then

252 in attack, and whatever in spd and defense to ensure I remain tanky where I wanna be, just in case I somehow take a super effective special or physical blow

cuz meteor miss

Ninjask @ Leftovers
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 156 SpA / 100 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe

• Baton Pass
• Protect
• Substitute
• Hidden Power [Fire]

Gengar @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 240 SpA / 120 SpD / 148 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Will-O-Wisp
• Giga Drain
• Thunderbolt
• Ice Punch

Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 128 HP / 176 SpA / 164 SpD / 40 Spe
Sassy Nature

• Toxic
• Earthquake
• Hydro Pump
• Ice Beam

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Ability: Keen Eye
EVs: 110 HP / 110 Def / 218 SpD / 70 Spe
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Spikes
• Sleep Talk
• Whirlwind
• Rest

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 200 SpD / 56 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Rock Slide
• Dragon Dance
• Earthquake
• Hidden Power [Bug]

Metagross @ Choice Band
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 112 Def / 144 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Meteor Mash
• Shadow Ball
• Explosion
• Earthquake

how's this then @restive sphinx

[restive sphinx]

Use pokepaste this hurts to read

[stiff sail]

oh I was told not to use paste because it cluttered the chat before

[restive sphinx]

Oh paste is fine here

Also it’s literally a single url that shouldn’t clutter chat compared to a text wall 💀

[stiff sail]

oh url

I forgot I was told to use urls

https://pokepast.es/fde90396f147a64a

[stiff sail]

oh I see, zapdos can pass agility too, interesting

in the lead slot thats actually pretty good

as a sort of anti lead

That would be even easier to use

[leaden fiber]

if ur going to use ninjask pass go all out

otherwise, dont

[stiff sail]

ok

[leaden fiber]

also, stop coming up with sets

rest talk skarmory is pretty dog

[stiff sail]

I just used it once and it worked pretty well for me

so I wanted to try it

in a different team

Its not normally a set I run in most games but idk it worked better than I expected

[stiff sail]

specifically someone’s sample

[tribal smelt]

Dude its good because it means your Metagross answer has to be like 5 other mons

[leaden fiber]

No sample should have

rest talk skarm

[tribal smelt]

Might have been a sample back before the rest bug ig

[leaden fiber]

ah

[tribal smelt]

At most you see the odd rest on Zapdos since it being alive longer is you know, good

[leaden fiber]

rest zap is fine

rest talk zap is still fine

[tribal smelt]

Some stall team I've been using has rest on moltres and it feels like complete shit

[leaden fiber]

yeah, none of the skarm teams in samples have

[tribal smelt]

Might swap it out entirely

[leaden fiber]

rest talk skarm

rest molt is fine if you have a heal beller

otherwise meh

heal beller aka blissey

[tribal smelt]

Not 4 me ig half the time Moltres is dead by the time you ever click it lol

[leaden fiber]

it makes u a p good switchin to opposing molt and zard and bi

and meta that doesnt rs

bc if it booms on molt and not skarm even better

[tribal smelt]

Oh yeah I forgot about those interactions
Might just be me being shit at ADV

[leaden fiber]

Nh its totally understandable

ive only ever seen one or two good rest molt teams

[tribal smelt]

With Moltres and how I play it I either benefit from revealing early or it comes in on a sack

Since you coming in on pff Celebi means you get a big flamethrower (does like idk 26+ on Pert) or I will O wisp whatever tries to answer late

[midnight ember]

Here's an USUM team with some very crazy names. The Landorus has Earth Power for dealing more damage to Kartana.

https://pokepast.es/1d6037bad3e2b1e5

[stiff sail]

it was the adv ou spikes offense sample team

[leaden fiber]

the only one under that category has a normal skarm

no good player is actually running rest talk skarm

[stiff sail]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/roa-sample-teams-thread-v2.3549991/

typhlito

[leaden fiber]

thats not actually sample teams

thats ppl submitting teams to be considered

[stiff sail]

oh

[leaden fiber]

i think

[stiff sail]

well the team did me well enough

so I was gonna test the skarm set on a different team

[stiff sail]

what rest bug

[leaden fiber]

that post was also in

2015

[stiff sail]

Its hard to find current teams sometimes

[leaden fiber]

if u sleep talk while resting and then switch out before u wake up u do not burn sleep turns

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/adv-ou-sample-teams-and-team-dumps.3687813/

[stiff sail]

that was a bug?

[leaden fiber]

Yh its changed after this gen i believe

[stiff sail]

I thought it was intentional because sleep stuff was too strong before

[leaden fiber]

so like if i rest -> sleep talk once -> sleep talk twice -> switch out
when i come back in, i've not burned any sleep turns

idk about bug

it was a mechanic that was discovered p late into adv

but most regard to it as such

[stiff sail]

oh thats what you mean

[leaden fiber]

Yh

[stiff sail]

what a strange bug

[leaden fiber]

But thats pretty huge bc sleeping skarmory is just

setup fodder

unless u get lucky and pull wwind

[stiff sail]

thats why rest talk suicune got phased out wasnt it

[leaden fiber]

i mean more to the point its running wwind is

already concerning

bc wwind skarm is not relevant past like

2020

or so

[restive sphinx]

no its still a thing but not as good as before

[leaden fiber]

whenever the mime ban was

yh modest crocune is still quite good

i dont think u see max physdef much either

but modest sets r still ok

[naive stump]

?

Spedef was not the default one?

[stiff sail]

why is wind bad on skarm? isnt it the same as roar

[leaden fiber]

this is adv

not on cune

[naive stump]

Ah

Mb

[leaden fiber]

u cannot have wwind + drill peck

bc of egg mechanics

[naive stump]

I thought you were talking about skarm

[restive sphinx]

actually speaking of adv can anyone help with my medicham team idk what to put on it https://pokepast.es/b381822896492eab

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[leaden fiber]

ah yeah np

spdef skarm is default ye

[leaden fiber]

and wwind is not relevant anymore bc roar does same thing

wwind was only a thing becuase of mr mime baton pass chains

[stiff sail]

I see

[leaden fiber]

mime has soundproof which blocks roar

[leaden fiber]

umm whats concept behind team?

[stiff sail]

right

[naive stump]

This is almost xtrashine HO

[restive sphinx]

medicham, theres no real concept i was just trying to build around medicham

[leaden fiber]

h okay

[restive sphinx]

probably offensive though

[leaden fiber]

and u just want cb medi?

[naive stump]

Would simply look at the samples or any other version you found

[leaden fiber]

yh u cant run fat + medi that would be awkward

[midnight ember]

That's funny

[restive sphinx]

yeah stupid strong

[leaden fiber]

kk

its okay if i dig up a medi team for u?

[restive sphinx]

yeah thats fine

[leaden fiber]

bc otherwise i feel like i have to revamp most of team

kk

i know linear has one somewhere

[midnight ember]

So is my team any good?

[leaden fiber]

idt cb medi is very good ngl bc feels like u should just use cb cross

[naive stump]

Like I said, just look at samples

[leaden fiber]

ive seen cb machamp thats funny as well

[restive sphinx]

cb medis main thing is focus punch if it lands on a read fucks hard

[naive stump]

Because your team is strictly an inferior version of actual xtrashine HO

[restive sphinx]

like really hard

ik medi is BL i just wanna use it

[leaden fiber]

Yh but heracross is same thing but it also threatens dol or bulky mie

if ur gonna use medi i woulndt use

cb

https://pokepast.es/3a84674dda680c8f like this is double blob medi

[restive sphinx]

any other styles or this it?

[leaden fiber]

nt rly

i dont know much abt medi sorry

[restive sphinx]

actually do you think fighting spam could work

like medi + hera on one team

[leaden fiber]

not really

[restive sphinx]

@leaden fiber thanks for the team, fits my playstyle well and does well against most mons

[gaunt veldt]

hi, I want to build a good team with pokemons that I like for NATdex AG and I don't want to use legendaries but I'm having difficulties.
I tried this so far but I don't know how it is if anyone can help me with some changes.
https://pokepast.es/87e9c73c321f53c8

[midnight ember]

So here's an extremely cursed set I made for gen 7 OI

https://pokepast.es/6f6af25edd29a2b1

It's got this exact defensive spread to avoid getting one shot by foul play but still getting a speed boost

Or if you're truly insane, you could use this

https://pokepast.es/e2f2485cff7a31f2

[restive sphinx]

Well unfortunately you need legendaries to play nat dex Ubers (ag isn’t a listed ladder anymore) so just play base nat dex

[tacit vigil]

3. Your team must be competitive, and you must be willing to have it optimized. We will not stop you from using whatever team you want, but if it’s not competitive, it does not belong here. If you are building a "fun AG team" and don't want to use viable Pokemon because you don't like them, this is the wrong place.

[tacit vigil]

This is rmt

[gaunt veldt]

I sent the team precisely to improve it for competitive. I tried to create a team that I like, but it has certain limitations and for that I asked for help, the restriction on legendary pokemons is because I play other pokemon games where the legendaries are not accessible and I wanted to use the team there. And if you don't want to help, just don't say anything, I found your comment a bit rude.

[tacit vigil]

This is not my comment

This is the channel rules

are you trying to build an in-game team?

[gaunt veldt]

yes they use smogon NATdex AG rules in ranked game

[tacit vigil]

Also this is old gens ou

[gaunt veldt]

yes, tier ou gen 8

[tacit vigil]

so gen 8 ou but no legends but also ndag

[gaunt veldt]

they have legendaries, it's just not easy to get. so i'm trying to create the best competitive team for this without legendaries but i don't know how

[fast stratus]

https://pokepast.es/0c75fae92c5a9047 gen 1 ou, seems alright but feels weak to things like exeggutor

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @weak mirage, @red delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit vigil]

No sleeper

[fast stratus]

are exeggutor and jynx the only viable sleepers?

[leaden fiber]

sing chansey

[tacit vigil]

^

also gar

[fast stratus]

should i run sing over protect?

[leaden fiber]

gar is viable

[fast stratus]

reflect*

[leaden fiber]

um

idk check sample sets

[fast stratus]

ok

[tacit vigil]

Sample set is softboiled Twave ice beam sing

[fast stratus]

ty

[tacit vigil]

Blizzard and psychic over ice beam and surf on mie

[tribal smelt]

Luke warm on Kingler personally would run Jynx here

Or like. Not use kingler. Gives me jynx + Rhydon

[fast stratus]

Ok, Ty

[night bridge]

Aside from the obvious “don’t use kingler”, reflect zam is really unable to pressure psychics at all and has pp issues and Starmie runs into the same with being fully unable to pressure… most things really. Your team is incredibly passive and seems to lack any coherence - no sleeper, multiple Pokémon filling the same roles - in the hopes that kingler does something it just… cannot here

Surf ice beam is just not a set

Most back starmies are surf bolt

If I was gonna suggest a team where you keep the Kingler I would say do Sing chansey, Earthquake lax to help cover gengar since Kingler should theoretically have the psychics handled after paralysis, surfbolt mie, and give Alakazam Seismic toss or remove it for something like Gengar to provide sleep and a boom - booms are nice entry points for swords dancers since they end the turn instantly

[red delta]

I think Kingler is not as bad as most people think it is, but also not something I would recommend a beginner to use. I agree with most things Sabelette said.
Reflect Alakazam should, if at all, be used in the back and not as a lead. As a lead you want Seismic Toss to pressure pokemon like Jynx, Alakazam, Starmie, Exeggutor.
You could also try out Jynx over Alakazam as I wouldn't want to rely on Gengar as the only sleep inducer and I have some doubts that Gengar + Sing Chansey is very good on this team core.
But yeah, having a sleep inducer is very, very important in RBY.

[gentle thunder]

https://pokepast.es/d64ffc78b2e6d202

This is my Gen 8 OU team

What are your thoughts on this?

I tried for a balanced team

[tribal smelt]

Rakka feels weird here, your team has no good weavile answers, I think LO Koko is mediocre for priority, you have zero answer for HDB spam aside from clicking big moves (which is not recommended in SwSh unless you know what you're doing) one bad turn and Lele wins, Electric being your answer to enemy Electric is not good

Like to give credence I get your thought process but it does not work for SwSh OU

If you want a stupid big move attacker Melmetal > Terrak to make Lele scared + gives you 2x steels, Zapdos can stay, dark resist berry/ Rocky helmet on Slowbro, replace Koko with any ground.

Probably lando since then you can force the team to become a weird Spike stack

Oh and future reference if you're aching for a Steel move on ferro its iron head. Means you scare stall clef that cant fit flamethrower

And if you just want rocks Buzzwole > Ferro, lando becomes the knock off rocks ground slot

There's ways to fix your structure imo but you need to swap out like 2-3 mons lol

[restive sphinx]

Peak Gen 5 Sand

https://pokepast.es/980f5307f2050238

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[warped venture]

Your Dnite answer is just dying unconditionally.

that and Cloyster

Okay maybe not
unconditional death VS Dnite but

still very difficult to deal with without losing smth in the process.

[restive sphinx]

Isn’t that alakazams job

[warped venture]

Pretty sure Dnite 1v1s even if you're insane enough to go Hard Zam on it.

[restive sphinx]

Ok

Counter argument

Fear sandstorm

Aron I mean

[warped venture]

Drop Aaron for Skarm
problem solved

Idt I'm really good enough at BW to change more than that, so I'll leave the rest to actual raters.

[gentle thunder]

@tribal smelt Thanks for the detailed review

This was my first OU team ever

I desperately did not want to use Lando

Lol

I used Terrakion to experience Gen 5 Terrakion dominance

But it wasn't possible

[midnight ember]

Why is there a barraskewda????

[restive sphinx]

Bc it’s Gen 8

[midnight ember]

I know

[restive sphinx]

Probably also provides momentum

[midnight ember]

But it's not on a rain team

[upper plume]

As funny as FEAR Aron is it isn't helping you defensively

And ur better off with a mon that lets you play not down 6-5

At best, Aron trades itself 1 for 1

At worst it is forced to switch in with rocks or spikes down and instantly dies

[naive stump]

I dont exactly understand the idea behind this squad

Usually, HO like to avoid choice-items users

Apart a few exceptions such as Lele or Kart with Scarf

Moreover, there's some weird set

Kartana Chople Berry is one bad idea as, even with the berry, you still die on focus blast from zam for example

And, on top of an already bad option, you add the funny but inconsistent timid kart gimmick

[restive sphinx]

I got a 2 1/2 trade game I can dm you

I’m running scarm now

[naive stump]

I will link instead a more coherent team that keep at least mawile, kartana, magearna and landorus-therian

[upper plume]

Yeah I would've recommended either skarmory or ferrothorn

[naive stump]

https://pokepast.es/01d32e87e29483aa

[upper plume]

Although your team doesn't have adequate speed control in my mind

[naive stump]

Very staight-forward offensive core of mawile and kartana that will heavily pressure anything

[upper plume]

So I'd probably include a scarf latios or garchomp over drill

[naive stump]

And opening the path for double dance Magearna

[tropic schooner]

this sure is aids asf

[naive stump]

Landorus + Tornadus provide any support you need and gastrodon round decently the squad against some threats such greninja

[naive stump]

Ojama's builds kek

[tropic schooner]

aguav lando and gastro

lolol

[restive sphinx]

Issue:
I lose hazard removal

[upper plume]

Counterpoint: if you run Skarm you have 3 pokes immune to spikes

If you run latios that becomes 4

[restive sphinx]

Oh yeah

And then no one cares about rocks

I’m not to sure though

[upper plume]

Yeah nobody in particular

You could run Scarf Drill but then Volcarona becomes

[restive sphinx]

Mmm

Should I just use the analysis set or anything in particular

[upper plume]

Analysis should be fine

But imo Scarf chomp/lati fits better on this team

Lati gives you an element of dual psychic attack with spikes

Garchomp outspeeds Volcarona and is a good cleaner

I generally don't like Zam and Drill on the same team

[restive sphinx]

Question, the article set is for rain should I replace surf with Psyshock or psychic

[upper plume]

No keep Surf

Let's you hit Steels a bit

[upper plume]

Zam would rather have Spikes on both sides while Drill supports mons that hates Spikes, so they have different focus

[restive sphinx]

Dragon pulse for psychic/psyshock?

[upper plume]

No keep dpulse

Scarf latios cleans up dragmag with ease

[restive sphinx]

So don’t change the set

[upper plume]

Yes

[restive sphinx]

Ok I’ll try it

[upper plume]

I'd also recommend trying the team with replacing Alakazam

But I'll let you try your team so far

[restive sphinx]

@upper plume tried it, team kinda struggles against set up sweepers since skarm can’t live multiple hits to phase them out

[upper plume]

that's fair

problem is that good keldeo switchins are passive

and celebi isn't really that good anymore

(esp since it attracts volcarona like the plague)

[restive sphinx]

You think I could use reuniclus?

Ran into a mirror match with it

Same team and sets except they had reuni

[upper plume]

reun is good

over gastrodon

although if you do that I'd definitely recommend you use scarf chomp

[restive sphinx]

@upper plume team is basically done at this point but idk what reun set to run

[upper plume]

calm mind

[restive sphinx]

tysm

https://pokepast.es/f4f8c0c9c57b0ae7

[polar nacelle]

Did you look through mcmeghan's builder for the medicham team?

That i sent some time back

[restive sphinx]

No lol

I don’t think you posted anything actually

Just mentioned it

[polar nacelle]

I did

[restive sphinx]

Reply to the link

[polar nacelle]

^

How did this go? Sorry i didnt reply, i was quite busy

[restive sphinx]

@polar nacelle ok so after years of scrolling I saw the team

Surprised it was so similar to my previous one

[polar nacelle]

Technically the hera slot could be a lot of stuff but in general i never found spikes hera that great unless u have something to sustain

Like wish

[polar nacelle]

Imo if u use it u will realize why every mon there is important and u will prob see how its difficult to fit a spiker like cloy there

[leaden fiber]

didnt think hera was worth it, just slapped mie and called it a day

[polar nacelle]

Yeah mie gar meta all good

Jira works too

When u use skarm aero pert tar u pretty much only need 5 slots

[leaden fiber]

Yh i have one w rachi

https://pokepast.es/0dffa346ca0a14ac

oh yeah, i did smth with blaziken

havent tested extensively tho

[polar nacelle]

I would probably recommend that you lead it

[leaden fiber]

Hmm

[polar nacelle]

And overheat t1 or smth

Vs zap

Its good to create a situation where u can bring zap down to half hp so that cm psychic from rachi can ko before it gets twaved

And blaziken doesnt have that many opportunities to come in

[leaden fiber]

hmm

[polar nacelle]

And if its offzap with blaze u ko t1

U will need to think abt how to deal with cmers tho

The whole point of bp zap into fighters is that u chase out skarm first then get fighters in on bliss then hit skarm hard back on the switch

With blaziken ur not worried abt that

Since u just hit skarm

[leaden fiber]

Thats true

so i move ken to slot one

what set?

[polar nacelle]

Overheat sky uppercut hpice/grass/sub fpunch/sub

Smth like that

Or toxic

It rly depends on what the team becomes

[leaden fiber]

hmm

i like overheat sky ice tox

[polar nacelle]

Tox is like a midground for replacing grass ice

Usually ppl dont use both together but its possible

[tribal smelt]

https://pokepast.es/f5145b629892ac36 Gen 8 OU

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[glacial grove]

https://pokepast.es/a038a8f3e484db45

Gen 1 OU

[restive sphinx]

This is a UU team with a taurous

[glacial grove]

Ok but it is still OU

[restive sphinx]

Yeah and it’s bad

I can’t really give tips to change it though since I don’t play Gen 1 OU, all I can tell you is to use the actual OU mons

[glacial grove]

Well I am kinda new to Competitive Pokemon

[upper plume]

*NU

[restive sphinx]

Overall or Gen 1

[hazy grotto]

https://pokepast.es/8aec61b1914db24e I made a mega Lop team

[glacial grove]

Overall

[restive sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-gif-26290292

[restive sphinx]

I would say stick to modern formats for a while then

Or do random battles

[glacial grove]

Ok

[upper plume]

you can still learn gen 1

as ur first gen

it's just that there's a limited set of viable mons in ou

so you can't just slap whatever on ur team

[restive sphinx]

Yeah @glacial grove if you really wanna do Gen 1 try Gen 1 random battles a few times to get a feel for the tier

Even if half the mons are nfes

[tribal smelt]

Not good.

[upper plume]

gen 1 random battles gets you accustomed to gen 1 mechanics

not to playing gen 1 ou

to get accustomed to playing gen 1 ou grab one of the sample teams

[tribal smelt]

Pidgeot Muk Charizard are all unviable in OU and as Grabby stated a sample team teaches you faster

Another way to speedrun learning is to look up "rby ou finals smogon" and see the replays there, sure they're vastly above your play but it showcases what works and what dosent in RBY

Learning curve for RBY seems simple since the roster is limited but the mechanics are not like any other gen

[naive stump]

Lopunny is kind on a bad spot in sm ou

Issue is that lop will be soft check by like the most common walls on fat/balance

Such as gliscor, toxapex, clefable, ...

[restive sphinx]

Wait that was Gen 7?

[naive stump]

So, usually, the purpose of a lopunny squad is to put enough offensive support to not auto lose against those MU

Which is not the case at all

[flint ridge]

doesn’t 3a clef help break those teams

[naive stump]

Not the chansey variant

[flint ridge]

ig

[naive stump]

Yh, I dont think the team is bad outside of that unfort

Apart some usual issue with the whole defensive core

[restive sphinx]

Honestly if walls are the issue he could easily replace Loppuny for M Medicham

Idk how good it is though

[naive stump]

As usual, medicham looks very ugly with bulk less clef and lando scarf

Yh and no

[restive sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/cries-about-it-cry-about-it-crying-emoji-emoji-emoji-crying-gif-25998144

[naive stump]

Medicham is "usually" good vs fat

Unless the annoying bulky psy

Such as reuniclus or slowbro

And, good lord, slowbro is popular

Not only for medicham, but also for zard-x or swampert-mega

Tbf, I think I would maybe remove CM clef and put something that hit much harder

A good old big z abuser

Such as Kyurem-Black for exemple

I think I like the gwf core with rotom tran tang and lando scarf to cover some annoying shit such as zard-x

[restive sphinx]

I mean doesn’t m medi chunk hard with thunder punch or does it not run that

[naive stump]

Ngl, I dont exactly like heatran as well here because it fail at checking threats such as Lele, Magearna and Volcarona

[naive stump]

Yh, but its usually useless without electric terrain support

You dont get those juicy 2HKO on sableye-mega without the terrain for example

@hazy grotto https://pokepast.es/963b03132f8e7a42