Old Gens OU

[rugged fossil]

https://pokepast.es/ea3dbb0eb61cbf57

Looks good to me now

[naive stump]

Yh, usual weavile rain

Looks good

[rugged fossil]

Ty m8

[naive stump]

Np

[rugged fossil]

It looks more like fat than balance

It’s more of a weather war

U bring your own weather against rain

Plus u have bulu anyways

Id make the skarm helmet

For better mu vs m swampert

There are chances of flinch but that’s just dumb Haz

Id change iron defense here for whirlwind or spikes

Or counter

To simply deal with mega maw

And others

[late fog]

https://pokepast.es/9ab55890656bee22

@naive stump i tried my best, unfortunately, i was only sure on three mons there

namely, pory, tapu bulu, and mega rupt

diancie fits better on semi troom

[naive stump]

Why is there a vcg set here kek?

[late fog]

so im not sure

[naive stump]

This is a vcg team I swear

[late fog]

oh right the sets

i couldnt get the sets from anywhere 🥶

[naive stump]

Lmao

[late fog]

i had to google out stuff

[naive stump]

You def need to check sample teams then

[late fog]

is there a troom team?

[naive stump]

Nah, TR is very niche and does not see a lot of usage

But

I have one good camelt TR team

Let me give you that

[late fog]

https://pokepast.es/a8838b7e0a598054

is this it?

semi troom

[naive stump]

@late fog https://pokepast.es/726706ce8d39c7e3

[naive stump]

Yh, but I dont like it

[naive stump]

Made by the sun god himself zaza

Prob the only legit TR in sm ou

[late fog]

ah that looks good

i like using troom though for some reasons

[naive stump]

Its cool but high skill ceiling to use it

Def very anti-meta

And efficient once you master it

[late fog]

well uhh the only thing that kills them rn

is rocks

if you can handle that

which is mandatory

i think trooms can function well

[naive stump]

Yh me too

Its just hard to pilot and even harder to build

That's all

[late fog]

yeah

that being said

how is semi troom?

[naive stump]

Depend

Only viable semi-TR I can think is the core of TR Mag + Maw on fairy-spam

But TR mag already its own self-sufficient TR abuser

[flint ridge]

sun tr is a little too ambitious imo

[naive stump]

Only man that manage to makes sun TR looks good for me was zaza tbh

Outside of that, I think its near unviable

And I think we can apply that for sun in general

Only sun that I consider as good are mainly zaza's squads

(outside of zard-y builds I mean)

[polar nacelle]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/set-dump-team-dump-and-previously-general-metagame-discussion.3648620/post-9346860

Open the team dump in this post

[late fog]

hey uhh @naive stump

what could be a good defog or rapid spinner

in troom teams?

[naive stump]

I'm not sure if full TR can fit a defog/spinner kek

Usually, TR works as a weird "weather" HO

[late fog]

LMAO

oh

[naive stump]

So defog/spin is juste a waste of time

Tbf, even on traditionnal HO

The only decent defogger is serperior

[late fog]

https://pokepast.es/107e14f2eaef76bb (i mean i am stuck a little here), but i would try

tapu bulu pairs really well with mega rupt

it also gives additional healing + grass

so camerupt can hit water

cressilia is yet another trick roomer here

access to lunar dance, heals up, either of rupt or bulu

[naive stump]

I mean

The TR I sent you

Is better than anything you could make

[late fog]

yeah, i understand that

but i'm kinda trying to make a troom for me

also rockinium-z on stakataka can break past scizor

and amoonguss

[naive stump]

How to say that?

I dont know how to build a good TR

Which is why I sent what I consider as the best TR build I have with the poke you wanted on it

[late fog]

kaiser, could you tell me the playstyle that you like personally?

fat?

[late fog]

ah

[naive stump]

I play what playstyle suit the best for the poke I want to use

[late fog]

well, what are your uhh opinions on fat?

it sounds wrong, but yes lmao

[naive stump]

One of the most consistent playstyle in sm ou

[gritty scaffold]

Ive tried building around lax gen 3 ou https://pokepast.es/440f789eb12dc499

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rugged fossil]

Is stall 2016-18 still viable ?

[naive stump]

Very MU fishing ig

I can remember skypenguin using shed stall against luigi during final of sm championship

But its not exactly a serious tournament

[tribal smelt]

It has merit iirc

But Shed stall is radically different from regular

The actual matchup spread is on paper the best but in actual practice its so needlessly difficult to keep that chain going that you may as well run 1 semistall 1 anti-psyspam 1 Msab team and flex those 3

(Is my consensus and experience with SM stall)

[naive stump]

Yh

• it suffer from being really predictive against hazards setter

And, overall, pursuit is a bitch for shed stall

Aka pursuit pelipper or toxic manaphy

[tribal smelt]

On top of that one random 4th toxic and you are done for

So have fun being a stall genuinely weak to Magnezone

[naive stump]

Lmao

Imagine something as dirty as knock off SD glis + zone

6-0 this stall

[flint ridge]

i like the stalls w/o msab

in sm

[naive stump]

Outside of the usual maggron, I heard of some dumb concept

Such as blastoise rest stall

[tropic schooner]

Thats only you kaiser

Mblast is very dumb and the only thing it does is spin rest and die

[naive stump]

Good enough

Not sure what could find stall outside of msab and maggron tbh

I saw some shit with malt, maudino or mtoise

[tropic schooner]

Recover mmedi

[naive stump]

But that's all

[tropic schooner]

Duh

[naive stump]

Recover mmedi is not that bad

Avoid to drop on hazards

And play the long term

[tropic schooner]

It does good against specifically ferro bo

And skarm balance

[naive stump]

Just hazards stack playstyle in general

[tribal smelt]

Ive wanted to build that with some Chansey as the defensive stopgap

Not Gliscor feels too slow

[naive stump]

Yh

Man, I want to try stall one day

But I'm truly unable to build team without speed control/offensive pressure

[rugged fossil]

Zazas tr

[tribal smelt]

I also suffer from this but in the opposite direction

Team dosent have steel/flying unviable

Lately its shifted to "team cant NOT have torn/zapdos"

[naive stump]

Wait

Treeman is explaining me how to build stall

(in sm at least)

Ok, it sounds impossible lmao

[rugged fossil]

Enlighten me

About what he told

[tribal smelt]

Impossible (on 1 team)

I take it?

[flint ridge]

stall is just

pick what u win vs

[flint ridge]

not the meth lab 😭

idt a cleric is needed

[naive stump]

Maybe

For my experience, it avoid too much bullshit from scald burn

Or lava plume

And leads to losing pp faster than your oppo

[flint ridge]

long as u have a absorber like glis

[tribal smelt]

Alright so off of treeman:
-chansey

• tornadus T
  -Zapdos
• Quagsire
• Mega
• 6th

That like. Works. I guess.

[naive stump]

Yh

Just the usual status absorber slot

[tribal smelt]

For once sixth can be LS pex if you run Maggron

[naive stump]

But I think treeman is not a fan of gliscor on stall

[rugged fossil]

Duck

[tribal smelt]

From experience its like. Good mon that isnt needed

Works more with Mtias

[rugged fossil]

Made me feel I’m illiterate after trying to read

[rugged fossil]

What’s a cleric btw

[tribal smelt]

Heal bell

Aromatherapy

[naive stump]

Yh

Tbf, gliscor and toxapex

Always feel like the weakest part of stall imo

[tribal smelt]

Pex does have nice utility if you act like Sludge BO build dosent exist

[rugged fossil]

Finna try to build jirachi stall

[tribal smelt]

Thats not even a bad idea lol

Whats the core for SwSh again, Dos Quagsire Rachi

[flint ridge]

it was a thing tbf

[rugged fossil]

I like seisimitoed jirachi

As a core

Tbh

[tribal smelt]

Seismi isnt a stall fit but ig Gastro can exist in SM

Its what C- something

[naive stump]

Higher

More B-ish rank

[tribal smelt]

If its anywhere in C rank below it probably performs on stall in SM

[rugged fossil]

Gastro or seisi?

[tribal smelt]

This isnt ironic.

[naive stump]

After all

[rugged fossil]

Fire punch / iron head / wish / protect

[naive stump]

Gastro is good for zap, mag, rotom or gren for exemple

[rugged fossil]

Is what

Proftreez runs

[tribal smelt]

Hm

What the fp do

[rugged fossil]

Prolly scizor and ferro

Mainly scizor

[naive stump]

Maw also

[flint ridge]

ferro kart

[naive stump]

But it runs that on his malt shit

[rugged fossil]

I thought his team had no mu vs manaphy and mega maw

[naive stump]

Its not completly impossible kek

Pressure with spikes

[rugged fossil]

How do u win vs mega maw and

Manaphy rain

[naive stump]

You dont kek

[late fog]

kaiser, could i have a good reuni set?

[naive stump]

It was for maw

Smogondex one is fine

[late fog]

the double dance?

[rugged fossil]

44 spee and remaining def bulk should be good

No

[late fog]

acid armour, calm mind

[rugged fossil]

Calm mind recover

[late fog]

ah

thanks

[rugged fossil]

Do u suggest clear smog gastro or unaware quagsire

For stall

[naive stump]

I dont know tbf

[rugged fossil]

I’m trynna build around jirachi

[tribal smelt]

Smog Gastro is better if you are a flex player

[naive stump]

I'm bad with building stall

[tribal smelt]

Quag is the brain dead safe option

[rugged fossil]

I see

[naive stump]

I'm not liking clear smog

[tribal smelt]

Try Gastro first if that dosent work its quag that is the fit

[rugged fossil]

Helps vs reuni

[naive stump]

To answer fast set-up

[rugged fossil]

And mslowbro

[naive stump]

And lose to sub cm

[rugged fossil]

I see

What was the maltsria set

Proftreez showed it in the site

Lemme find that

Ok ye found it

[tribal smelt]

Actually. Hear me out.

You remember that SwSh Koko Skarm tourney smasher team from mid gen?

Wouldnt Koko in a vacuum work as a slot crunched speed check?

[flint ridge]

koko tourney smasher team?

[naive stump]

Maybe

[tribal smelt]

Uh I think the team was Skarmory Pex Gastrodon Koko spikes

[naive stump]

Speed control is surely needed

[tribal smelt]

Rest of the team is debatable

[naive stump]

Not as high as usual kart's speed tier ofc

[flint ridge]

i only remember the wof semi stall

[tribal smelt]

I forget and dont care tbh lol

More so what the mon did

[flint ridge]

reuni/torn/koko/pex/skarm/hippo

[tribal smelt]

Its hyper scuffed but like if you are starving for slots Koko with bulk answers itself sort of and shuts down Torn T reliance

[naive stump]

Oh true

[rugged fossil]

Which non mega mons provides a good speed tier has recovery and ohkos/2hkos both chomp and lele?

[naive stump]

Taunt torn is annoying as fuck for stall

Without msableye

[flint ridge]

koko?

[rugged fossil]

True

[rugged fossil]

Especially for the empo fat

I have to stall out it’s hurricane

[naive stump]

Z-grass kart ig lol

[rugged fossil]

Fuck my Z user is reuni

[tribal smelt]

You dont lol..
Split the hair on that one you dont get to do that you more so have to patch that hole up with 2 mons

Say pff Quagsire Rachi

[flint ridge]

ditto!

[rugged fossil]

Wait u sure ?

[naive stump]

I dont know lol

You can just put tias

Or anything fast with ice coverage

Like vile

[rugged fossil]

No recovery

Actually I can try mega aerodactyl

Stone edge 18.8 chance of ohko after rocks

[tribal smelt]

Its grotesque to look at builder wise but tbf in SwSh one of the more aggrevating fats you regularly saw was 4 stall mons Kartana Lele, it translating to SM is debatable but something extremely aggressive and random as 6th could probably work

[rugged fossil]

What’s swsh

[tribal smelt]

Sword and Shield Overused

[rugged fossil]

Ah

[tribal smelt]

An interesting idea I was up thinking on was to translate what we learnt in SwSh stall into SM and seeing if that helps out the builder strain

[tropic schooner]

4 stall blace lele was something i spammed mid gen

[tribal smelt]

And ignoring that the teams will be uh. Fuck ugly.

[tribal smelt]

Disgusting and good way to farm

Especially during Kyurem meta since Blaceph has stupid numbers on the dragon

[rugged fossil]

https://pokepast.es/e7fe7b3f4f18c7d0

[tribal smelt]

(Not to mention Lele threatening everything on earth)

[rugged fossil]

Does that include jirachi

[tribal smelt]

No its Rachis best OU matchup

[rugged fossil]

👍

[tropic schooner]

Tbf rachi also destroys reuni

If that counts

[tribal smelt]

Rachi paras it or forces it to run shadow ball as coverage

[tropic schooner]

And clef

[naive stump]

Lmao

[tribal smelt]

Oh yeah I forgot

[naive stump]

Week to pursuit core

And zard-y

[tropic schooner]

Clef flame does like

[tribal smelt]

Wtf rachi the solution???

[tropic schooner]

30 to it

[rugged fossil]

Les fix that

Hmm

[tribal smelt]

Not to mention Rain..

[rugged fossil]

Lemme think

[tribal smelt]

Uh pff

[naive stump]

The usual lmao

How the hell you counter pursuit in sm kek

You have to build stall

But without any actual poke weak to ttar and vile

[rugged fossil]

I see

Les see

[tribal smelt]

Dos Quag Rachi, Chansey Pex MMaw..?

Or mola > pex ig?

I am spitballing here more so

[tropic schooner]

Theres a reason weav rachi stall is so 🙏🏽

[tribal smelt]

Blessed and tomepilled

[tribal smelt]

The issue is that
Quag as the Electric resist is so ugly

And its also sort of do nothing

[rugged fossil]

Stall is so complicated

[tribal smelt]

Yeah LOL

[tropic schooner]

Doesnt this also quite suck to bulu

[rugged fossil]

This is so birching me

[tribal smelt]

In SM its such a headache

[tropic schooner]

Even something random like

Sd z

[tribal smelt]

Pff

[rugged fossil]

Could use like pex

[tribal smelt]

Lets do the SwSh core, Shed shell Pex Rachi Gastrodon Zapdos

You forfeit unaware gain Chansey

[gritty scaffold]

I mean tbh malt feels like a fat mega

[late fog]

https://pokepast.es/71c6c1e8dc4e7140

@naive stump @tribal smelt

[rugged fossil]

This new team has no cleric now

[late fog]

well uhh let's say, i wasnt sure on the last 3 mons

[rugged fossil]

Not u

https://pokepast.es/7238423c2f36e3c9

[tribal smelt]

If you want like a Nobel prize for team building in SM figure out a good stall team

[rugged fossil]

Figure out ?

[gritty scaffold]

Tbh only gen i feel like is kinda stalling is gen 1

[rugged fossil]

Like build or use a stall team

[tribal smelt]

Build, oops

[rugged fossil]

I’ve been using stall since 2 years now

[naive stump]

Man, 6-0 by medi

Turn 1

[late fog]

stall can be countered easily though tbh

oh shit

[tribal smelt]

No the ones where we have verifiable proof that Stall is objectively good is Gen 2 Gen 8

Multiple years of tournament success with stall

[naive stump]

Anw, I'm out for a moment

[gritty scaffold]

Oh wait yea is ou

[rugged fossil]

Wdyt cyber

[tribal smelt]

Let me see

[gritty scaffold]

In ubers mayb stall works sort of on gen 1

[late fog]

cyber, whats a good fat mega?

[gritty scaffold]

But it isnt ou so

[tribal smelt]

Mega Latias

Best fat cope in the tier

[rugged fossil]

Maltaria maybe

[gritty scaffold]

Pair latias with reuni

[late fog]

wow

[rugged fossil]

Ah why

Dual psycic fat

Is a thing

But

I don’t like to use 2 of the same mons serving same purposes

[late fog]

is it the calm mind latias set

[gritty scaffold]

Its a great partner

[tribal smelt]

Hmm. Feels like a fun team but I cant class this as stall and the matchup spread is really confusing

But I get the idea fdmw

[gritty scaffold]

Reuni is way more bulky tbh

[rugged fossil]

I see

[gritty scaffold]

Bein a magic guard set up mon is already preety great

[rugged fossil]

Another problem showing up is no dark resist

[tribal smelt]

Yh

[rugged fossil]

Think I should swap reuni

[gritty scaffold]

I mean mayb put a clefable if ur really worry

[rugged fossil]

Sounds like a good choice

[tribal smelt]

Let me write something out irl sec

[rugged fossil]

Since could cm

[rugged fossil]

Alrigth

[gritty scaffold]

I mean clefable is mostly utility

U can run cm aswell

But i dont really think is worth it

Considering how u will can get overwhelmed trying to be more offensive with clef

[rugged fossil]

This looks way better tbh

https://pokepast.es/a1ea8ccfcee939a7

[gritty scaffold]

No flame clef?

[rugged fossil]

No

[naive stump]

Meh

[gritty scaffold]

Ur gonna be preety dead to stuff like sand rush exca ig

Or idk mayb mscizor

[rugged fossil]

Not scizor

But exca

Looks fishy

For the team

[naive stump]

I dont like zard-x ngl

[rugged fossil]

That looks troubling especially when I got no priority

[naive stump]

• a moron named skypenguin

[gritty scaffold]

They just set up a dd and sweep

[naive stump]

Did the infamous vile + zam core

[late fog]

kaiser, doesnt stall die to heatran

and kyu-b?

[naive stump]

Meh

[gritty scaffold]

I mean maggron preety sure can kill both

[late fog]

especially kyu-b with sub

[naive stump]

Tran dislike chip damage

Oh that

Kek

Give up

[gritty scaffold]

Yea kyub with sub

[late fog]

freeze shock 😦

[naive stump]

Tbh

[rugged fossil]

Should prolly go Quag for gastro then

[naive stump]

Ping me in like 2-3 hours

I'm not at home atm

[rugged fossil]

K

[hazy grotto]

https://pokepast.es/95105f0e015024d2 azumarill team

I don’t know if chansey or lando would be good on here

I should probably change Landorus set tho

To like scarf maybe

[naive stump]

Ok, I'am stuck to train station kek

[naive stump]

Azumarill band is just sadge

Hit like a wet towel

Knock off bot most of the time

• you lose to some shit such as keldeo

And the speed control is pretty low here

Nothing even outspeed lele for example

I also dislike a lot defog zapdos in general

Need to give up one coverage and now you have a plenty of hazards setter that fuck you up

Here, with ice, tran has free rocks anytime

Also, I dont even know how you're suppose to beat toxapex

Apart pp stall that fucker

Like usual, I dont even get the core of msciz and azumarill

Both hate toxapex

Something like koko + mscizor makes much more sense for example

Also, pls, be sure that you're confident with the stuff you're sending

I really can't support another team made in like 10 min full of glaring weakness

[gritty scaffold]

Aegi is good on gen 8 or nah i was thinkin on building a team around it despite the nerfs

[flint ridge]

looks like a Oras team

[flint ridge]

it’s decent

[gritty scaffold]

Oo alr then

[late fog]

https://pokepast.es/b6c87c9384caddfd

@naive stump @tribal smelt

new one. haha

[tribal smelt]

I think this is fine

I myself go Mguard here

With soft boiled youre not realistically wishpassing your steels imo

[late fog]

true lmao

so mguard as per you say over unaware?

[naive stump]

I'm genuinely not liking the concept of using celes to check kart

[late fog]

ah

[naive stump]

Knock off band

Sayonara celes

And you need some balls to predict and go on ttar or clef

[late fog]

yeah.. that's true

i did think of that

but i figured, it could do its job

also it did say

Celesteela should be sent out against Pokemon it can easily wall like Tapu Lele, Kartana, most variants of Protean Greninja, Landorus-T, and most Garchomp sets

[naive stump]

Bruh

Outdated shit

In what world you're sending celes on chomp

[late fog]

true

[naive stump]

Anw

Team is fine

[late fog]

i mostly always, while building a team, look at those stuffs itself

[naive stump]

But I feel this is passive as fuck

Exca is not exactly good to break celes, zapdos or skarmory

And you have nothing to remove RH on skarm

So the bird can endlessy stack spikes on exca

And, unfort, exca is your sole way to removes hazards

Which will just slowly killing toxa and clef unaware

[late fog]

yeah, well.. i'll keep this in mind next time 😔

[naive stump]

Nah

Its very near of an actual good team

Like, empo

Did something on the same vibe

Ttar z-exca zapdos toxa celes kart band

[late fog]

oh

it was written in the analysis yes, the kart band, i saw that

[naive stump]

I just dislike the clef unaware overall

Passive, easily lose momentum

And you actually take sand chip

[late fog]

the clef, was my last mon

[naive stump]

Reuniclus is an obvious pick on sand

[late fog]

although, i was stuck

[naive stump]

But I'm not fond of reu on BO-ish/balance squad

[late fog]

and i thought, maybe if i could save my sand setter, so i added in a clef

[naive stump]

Without hazards support

[late fog]

ah

[naive stump]

Need to keep it mind the tempo of each poke

The less your team is bulky, the less you can't afford to give up momentum

And clef wish is a poke that will easily lose this momentum

[late fog]

you dont need to worry about speed control if you opt for fat right?

[naive stump]

Nah

Its important

Imo

[late fog]

wow..

[naive stump]

A bar minimum is kartana

For every team

Outside of stall maybe

[late fog]

mhm

kaiser, could you suggest me a fat mon

really fat mon

except latias,

cyber suggested that

[naive stump]

I dont know lol

[late fog]

does m-venu count as a good fat mon?

[naive stump]

Mtias is the most vanilla fat poke in the tier

Because it actually proactive

Good speed

[late fog]

ah true

[naive stump]

And countless of good resistance

Like

Fat need to actually do something

And not just stacking walls together

And pray it will work

[late fog]

mhm, i get you

[naive stump]

For example, stacking hazards to open the way for a bulky cm user

Or pivoting between a powerful breaker

[late fog]

i got stuck building with mtias

[naive stump]

Well

Building around tias is a weird concept tbf

Unless you wanna go CM tias

Or sub/refresh/whatever CM tias

[late fog]

how does sub/ hone claws kyu-b work?

[naive stump]

KB is bulky

Lot of walls can't break his sub

So you sub on them

Hone claws

[late fog]

i dont think kb can fit on fat right?

[naive stump]

Z-moves goes brrr brrr

It can imo

[late fog]

WOW

that is my next team

then

[naive stump]

Like, fat is just playstyle kek

Let me sent you a replay of a "fat" KB build

[late fog]

what was the uhh, set?, sub/ hone claws / fusion / freeze shock

[naive stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen7ou-545791

[late fog]

right?

[naive stump]

Yh

[late fog]

wow

thats nice

anyway, thanks a lot for the help kaiser

[naive stump]

Np

Yh, cool replay kek

[tribal smelt]

https://pokepast.es/7b861fafd6db2939

SwSh team

I could probably go Tspikes. I should probably go Tspikes.

The idea of 1v1ing a stall clef is incredibly funny to me so idk

[flint ridge]

wouldn’t u want exca here

[tribal smelt]

Nauuur I dont like Exca here

Its a banded Ttar its not exactly meant to live

Which is usually made up for on Exca teams with goated shit like Lando T and Rotom W pivoting it in constantly

You have Torn and maybe Dos

[tropic schooner]

Future port is really annoying for this

Or even just scarf lele

No steel hurts too

[tribal smelt]

I noticed that immediately but idk if its even valuable to have Pex here

I could swap it out for something spicy like AV melm

Or the better play is Gking

[tropic schooner]

That only worsens future port mu

As slowbro just future ports into shifu and shifu clicks cc

[tribal smelt]

True I forgot about that interaction

[tropic schooner]

Physdef gking could work

[tribal smelt]

Pff I could also throw out Nidoking for something safer

Although not having something that braindead deletes Fini hurts

[tropic schooner]

You have pjab pex

You can make nido an actual ground

Which has rocks

Then make clef cm twave

To survive the futureport stuff and twave shifu potentially

Yea exca works

Ttar/exca/gapdos/pex/clef/torn

[tribal smelt]

With only Turn feels bad but it does check out, with these teams I always like having something with Switch helps

I forget the exca set is it just standard for OU

[tropic schooner]

You shouldnt run rocks on exca tho

You can prolly just drop knock for twave then

[tropic schooner]

Just run sd spin double stab

Or you can run toxic over sd i suppose

Or rock move for zap

[tribal smelt]

If I am really greedy I could swap out something on torn

Make it spin solo

I dont like that but its funny as a side tech

[tropic schooner]

You could make torn heat wave so you can run eq ttar

If u want

[tribal smelt]

Hm. Even with zero EVs Drill outspeeds Dragapult in sand

[flint ridge]

don’t cook wt that

[tribal smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

Excadrill @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Rush
EVs: 172 HP / 252 Atk / 84 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Earthquake
• Stealth Rock
• Iron Head
• Rapid Spin

Nah just fucking with you

[flint ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/cook-gif-7332297

[tribal smelt]

https://pokepast.es/1acc41b4fe121d32

Becomes something like this since it feels like Sand Rush is a bit moot

[flint ridge]

mold breaker in sand?

dam

[tropic schooner]

100% run rush

[tribal smelt]

Nvm I am fat in the head

I just remembered

https://pokepast.es/27d13d2c3adf632b

This is the END of the team.

[tropic schooner]

Run sd or toxic or edge on exca

Over rocks

[tribal smelt]

I forgot entirely that Clef is SR

[gritty scaffold]

Dindt thought bulky exca was still a thing after bw

[tribal smelt]

https://pokepast.es/406596ec2f8ae7b6

This is the END of the team. FOREVER.

[tribal smelt]

Why wouldnt it be
Ok set

[gritty scaffold]

Ooo

[gritty scaffold]

I mean thought defog would just rule the hazard removal

Althoufh rapid spin has its benefits

[tribal smelt]

With 1 single mon hit by rocks idk

Feels a bit moot

[naive stump]

Exca bulky is always pretty cool

[gritty scaffold]

is fun killing rotoms

[tribal smelt]

You have to remember even with Exca at zero investment you outspeed Dragapult

[gritty scaffold]

Oh wow

[tribal smelt]

iirc some of the rotom W teams run those EVs since they have fat things like Tangrowth in the back

No point in being scared of scarf

[gritty scaffold]

also somehow my sp def exca survived a hydro pump from starmie

I think it was lefties prob

[tribal smelt]

I mean 110 hp is 110 hp

You need to overmatch with high investment

[gritty scaffold]

Im still suprised how even wiyh 65 sp def ppl could do something with it

also beating latios with sp def exca feels good aswell mold breaker just fits on exca so well

[surreal void]

(Gen 8)
https://pastebin.com/fvPUC5VY

[gritty scaffold]

use pokepaste its more easy but that works tho ig?

https://pokepast.es/c70910cdfc83e346 gen 6 ou unsure on what should i change here i thought on trying to build team with exca although mayb i should change moonblast instead of flamethrower on clefable?

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[surreal void]

I can't, it's blocked and unblocker links are weird.

[gritty scaffold]

[surreal void]

I do Pokemon shit at school don't judge me

[gritty scaffold]

nah no prob

[restive sphinx]

seems fine but kyrum black if i recall isnt that good in gen 6 ou

[gritty scaffold]

oh so should i use weavile or mamo ig?

i just thought on using kyub as a bulky ice mon

[restive sphinx]

depends i think mamo fits better if you wanted a bulky ice type

[upper plume]

Pastebin is fine, still superior to screenshot
Teams used to be shared on pastebin before pokepaste

[gritty scaffold]

oo neat

[leaden fiber]

https://pokepast.es/74dc416959f88cdc @polar nacelle
yo, was building an aerobi
bulky ddtar, cb aero, standard stuff
the celebi evs are:
lives dug from full, outspeeds neutral max dol
I've been liking cursepert, on this team it helps w mostly blissey, and if defmie becomes kind of annoying
skarm is just skarm

the reason I have hera here is that smth like gar spikes really hurts, and i like having the absorber + helps me break down skarm and abuse things like dol and waters that switch into aero

[rugged fossil]

Need your help

😭

[late fog]

https://pokepast.es/e26c7d8737e6971d

@naive stump back with a fat team!

as i stated, it was tough with latias-m, but i tried my best

i hope that, soon i can build great teams kekw

[naive stump]

that's looks classic

still think its pretty passive

SD gliscor is a really good winco

but team dont actually put any pressure for a fat

like, no z-user

and not hazards stack to force any real progress

https://pokepast.es/0724768e5a01af42

its an old build team but this is what I had in mind in term of active fat

ferro + kommo-o + toxapex all form together a chain of switch that will managa to stack hazards

and you have tornadus that act as a way to actually pressure with hurricane and the threat of z-hurricane

[late fog]

ah

sowwy im back

[late fog]

ah, i just dont get it right 😔

[naive stump]

ah, nw

take time to get how to build a good team

the builder of the team I sent, relous, is prob one of the best sm player atm

[late fog]

was it better than the other teams i posted?

[late fog]

ah

[naive stump]

yh, there's progress

the poke you pick all makes sense in this playstyle

apart AV mag kek

but you did manage to have at least some answer to some basic threats of the tier

[late fog]

should i have gone with calm mag?

uhh the heart swap

set

[naive stump]

hum

considering you have a whole heatran

you could have made this Mag more offensive

[late fog]

i had two options tbh, one was, lando > torn

and rotom > gastrodon

[naive stump]

hum

its not a bad idea tbf

I see what you were trying

if you go lando scarf and z-rotom

[late fog]

yeah that is exactly what my other option was lmao

[naive stump]

https://pokepast.es/d3faf67e59fa92c2

something like that I think

which is still a good structure indeed

[late fog]

mhm

i'll try making another team

with latias

but with skarm

[naive stump]

hum

yh

semi-stall tias with skarm

coherent idea

[late fog]

mm

[naive stump]

anw, dont lose motivation and try to understand why teams I sent are good

[late fog]

yep, i will

thanks again, kaiser

[naive stump]

np

[late fog]

hey uhh @naive stump extremely sorry for the ping but, is mbro good?

it was good in gen6 ou iirc

[naive stump]

its decent

at worst, a slowbro without item

which is still good

and mbro hit hard and have ridiculous defense

[tropic schooner]

its at least the best check to mmedi

thats something

it also stomps hawlucha

thats also cool

[rugged fossil]

Bro

I’ve managed to

Win 2 of my rounds

Third opponent is prolly gonna be shut

Shit

I’m expecting my 4th opponent to bring a counter team

And he knows I’m using empos fat

Do u think I should play with the same team

[naive stump]

Its rate my team here kek

I will sent you a friend request and continue in pm instead

[rugged fossil]

Alright

[gritty scaffold]

Gen 5 https://pokepast.es/9e86cc2b7958ffd5

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

ive tried doin sun team although unsure if i should change somethin on here

[peak canyon]

My only knowledge from gen 5 is bkc so take this with a lot of salt but don't you get run over by both latios and keldeo?

[tribal smelt]

Chansey 4 Lati Cress for Keldeo

more that its a bad ethos lol

[restive sphinx]

What’s ethos

[gritty scaffold]

Yea true forgor what means

[flint ridge]

something about promoting

i forgor too

[upper plume]

Tran looks to be an issue for this team

Which is just classic sun conundrum

[tribal smelt]

The safest response ive seen is random gastrodon

But if it decides to click HP grass or any coverage youre kind of just dead

Plus rocks chansey in this economy, on sun, for a Gastrodon slot, is nigh impossible

Having Cresselia be your Landorus answer is a good way to spam Moonlight until you die from u turn chip

[gritty scaffold]

hail is viable or nah in bw

i was thihnkin on mayb using hail

although prob will be though considering only few mons will really benefit from hail

[restive sphinx]

Lol no

It’s easily the worst weather in the game until Gen 7

It had a niche in Gen 4 though but even then it wasn’t because of hail as a playstyle it was because of its attributes along side abamosnows strong attributes

[restive sphinx]

Anyways if you 100% wanted to run hail for some reason you can only run hail stall

[gritty scaffold]

assuming im prob must need a walrein aswell

[restive sphinx]

Yep

Spam the shit out of ice body

[gritty scaffold]

soo bring stall mons and call it a day

[restive sphinx]

Kind, there’s probably someone with more knowledge than me that could help you make a hail stall team

[gritty scaffold]

yea alr ill see what i can build around

[rain pine]

https://pokepast.es/05b992598bcfb6b8
Gen 8 ou

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

yea nvm prob imma just try do rain team

i have sand already

hail and sun just feels kinda ankward to use

[hasty ingot]

Conk isn’t that good in gen 8 ou, I’d hazard against using it

Same goes for SpD pex, and life orb Hydreigon, and band bish

What mon did you actually wanna build around here?

[restive sphinx]

That’s bc they are

[gritty scaffold]

i just thought on using it saw some ppl using it

[hasty ingot]

Depends on the gen; in gen 8, all the weathers are pretty decent

[restive sphinx]

He’s making a weather team for Gen 5

[gritty scaffold]

all? for gen 8

[hasty ingot]

Ah I mean gen 5 all the weathers are viable

[restive sphinx]

Not in OU

[hasty ingot]

Yes in ou

[gritty scaffold]

weathers are banned below ou i think

[restive sphinx]

Fr? Ong?

[hasty ingot]

Hail stall is a real bw archetype

[restive sphinx]

Yeah Ik I told him that earlier

[gritty scaffold]

because they are just preety broken

[restive sphinx]

It’s the only hail archetype in Gen 5

[hasty ingot]

Where is the team rate related to this

[gritty scaffold]

oh yea um

[hasty ingot]

Otherwise talk about it in compgen

[gritty scaffold]

https://pokepast.es/1d2a86989a49a77c i dont even know what ot use a spinner or else lol

i mean i just dont really know much about hail in general

the smogon analysis ig i just dont really see alot talking about hail in general like yea says walrein is used to stall but i still think is kinda hard to understand

prob ill try use comp general mayb ill post here later

[rain pine]

How do you think it'd be if I changed the sets

[hasty ingot]

Would still be pretty unoptimal, I’d suggest a rebuild

[tacit vigil]

Walrein is the subtect set

In theory ice body lefties and tect get back 25% to sub again

[upper plume]

It's the worst but ppl keep trying to build it

It basically turns into worse psyspikes

[gritty scaffold]

ig makes sense why teams are either sand or rain

mostly those have more options to do

alr ive tried building around it https://pokepast.es/ac6637d47493fa69

oh wait hold on imma change walrein nature

[upper plume]

Don't use walrein

[gritty scaffold]

no?

[upper plume]

It's just bad

[gritty scaffold]

thought ice body would be good along hail

[upper plume]

Even in hail

[gritty scaffold]

like what tentacruel does in rain

[upper plume]

Walrein just sits there

Tenta spins and sets up tspikes

And has scald

[gritty scaffold]

o true

[leaden fiber]

isnt it usually subtect scald spin or smth

i dont see much tspikes

[upper plume]

I mean both can click Toxic so that isnt much of an advantage

Tenta is also faster

That's an advantage

[gritty scaffold]

i mean if ur stalling not sure

theoretically u want to be the last to move if ur gonna stall

[upper plume]

On the contrary

Tenta's speed let's it Toxic jelli before it can taunt

Lets you emergency Scald physical attackers

[gritty scaffold]

true

[upper plume]

Tenta still wants bulk but speed also makes it scary

[gritty scaffold]

without speed mamo would just kill it

[upper plume]

Exactly

[gritty scaffold]

yea prob imma just gve up o hail ig

ill see on what to do with rain though

[kindred inlet]

This is my third account I've had to make after forgetting my password if you guys play Gen4 OU a lot you might recognize me https://pokepast.es/e30e42d9e1b4e959

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tribal jewel]

@naive stump hi do u have any volcorona teams?

sm ou

[naive stump]

https://pokepast.es/fc9f41ef6eb0ccc0
https://pokepast.es/8a5cf62174715dd6

@tribal jewel

[tribal jewel]

tysm

any balance teams?

just asking

[naive stump]

Balance with volc?

[tribal jewel]

ye

[naive stump]

https://pokepast.es/786a6a2d3bf344df

Its old but should work

[tribal jewel]

kk

[naive stump]

https://pokepast.es/1cdc58de31695641

Dont like this team tbf

[tribal jewel]

ah

[naive stump]

Also, pretty sure this is not the good sets kek

[tribal jewel]

lmao

[naive stump]

But I dont have the past of this aids squad

Still, should be alright I reckon

[tribal jewel]

i see

[flint ridge]

looks like abr stall

[torpid forge]

cananyoneratemygen7ou

stallteam

https://pokepast.es/6d09387f968792a0

[gritty scaffold]

Bw ou https://pokepast.es/f4d9afd703836864 rain team

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

im unsure if i should use lando or gastro as my ground type

but yea ive tried building around kyurem

[torpid forge]

SM Ou https://pokepast.es/6d09387f968792a0 stall team

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie, @naive stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[flint ridge]

the chomp seems out of place

[torpid forge]

I was out of ideas when I got the chomp

[naive stump]

yh, I dont get the team either

lele and chomp all seems like weird pick for a stall

[torpid forge]

notcomplete stall but close to it

i suck at team making tbh

[naive stump]

sure

better to just pick stuff made by better players then

or at least take a look at some exemple

to get the main idea

[torpid forge]

I don't understand the examples

;/

[naive stump]

try harder

use them more on ladd

[late fog]

hey @naive stump

uhh do i use defensive m-altaria set

or dd

im so sorry for the ping

[naive stump]

depend

I dislike DD matl

defensive is cool imo

[late fog]

true i liked it as well

im making a team with it

so do i do stall?

since it fits on stall / balance

[naive stump]

hum

stall is hard unfort

semi-stall is def a fine playstyle for it

[upper plume]

Looks decent though thundy t looks scary for this team

Idt you have speed control either so volc will be a massive pain

[gritty scaffold]

oh

perhaps i should use gastro then?

i dont think volca will be able to bring all

of psycic and giga drain

oh nvm it can

perhaps i can use dragonite

isnstead of lando

also i feel like im vulnarable to mamo

mayb i can use scarf lando although id still be vulnurable to mamo kinda feels a htough decision

[tribal smelt]

This feels like it tries to do too much

Your enemy rain mu is weird too

Personally I run like FerroCruel always on rain

Mostly since BW rain has to be either Ferrocruel+big 3 or 1 of the big 3 and 2 mons that beat the shit out of sand

As fake as the mon is in current Dreigon Tios is fun to play even if the mu spread is a massive headache

[visual oyster]

https://pokepast.es/1621f55be0d3f4ad hi can someone help me with this team feo gen 7, i have to use the Sam pokemons

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie, @naive stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[obtuse prairie]

sry we only do competitive rating here

and not with arbitrary restrictions like 6 niche pokemon

[upper plume]

Scarf lando doesn't help you against volc either

[gritty scaffold]

oh

[upper plume]

Lando is base 91 speed, volc is base 100 speed

[gritty scaffold]

yea that tho

[upper plume]

When volc comes in on rachi and qd's you'll switch into ur scarfer and get outsped

[gritty scaffold]

i could try use scarf mienshao but hes just quite frail

[upper plume]

Mienshao isn't terrible but honestly you could just use Scarf keldeo and be fine

[gritty scaffold]

oh yea him

although no ground will kinda suck so perhaps i should switch toxicroak

into keldeo scarf

[upper plume]

That could work

I don't really like toxicroak tbh

Yeah tox doesn't help ur team

[gritty scaffold]

i thought was yea alr prob will be fine using it but realized now thath e doesnt help

just realized keldeo doenst have ice beam somehow despite every water mon getting it

[upper plume]

Icy wind or hp ice

Although you'd rather hp grass for gastro

[bright jay]

Someone Please help me out with this team dm me or do it here idc
https://pokepast.es/4f5c4cc5f3819210

[late fog]

hey umm @tropic schooner sowwy for the ping

is it good to pair doublade with m-latias?

since latias handles bulky water types

[neon raptor]

Spdef Rotom and Lando, Heatran > Kart, and specs Blacephelon > Chandelure

Weavile should also be boots.

[bright jay]

are the move sets good?

[neon raptor]

I’d do Defog Lando and SD Weavile. Washtom should be wisp (or Twave)/Hydro/volt/split

And then Heatran should be magma storm/taunt/stealth rock/ earth power

https://pokepast.es/fad82c8db9cbde8f
This. I left the Heatran EVs blank. If you struggle with Weavile and Kart make it physdef flame body. For extra insurance against ghosts make it spdef.

[bright jay]

thxs i will try it out

[neon raptor]

Wrong EVs on Lando.

https://pokepast.es/656d89f747cf4853

Here you go.

[bright jay]

yeah spd right

[neon raptor]

Just go Defog > stealth rock on Lando.

And spdef Washtom. I misclicked.

[bright jay]

and use heatran as a setter

[neon raptor]

Yep.

[tropic schooner]

Doublade is generally outclassed by every other steel type

[balmy willow]

this team was built by chatgpt

SS OU https://pokepast.es/9cd91059d18eb5fd

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[balmy willow]

it used cinderace which is banned thou

but impressive it can do such a thing at all

[hasty ingot]

Hey please don’t put this here, this channel is for help with people’s attempts at teambuilding, not for discussing AI

We also get tagged for this which is annoying!

[balmy willow]

sory 💀

[leaden fiber]

https://pokepast.es/ec51fa516da7aa88

@naive stump @obtuse prairie

[leaden fiber]

@rare token

[obtuse prairie]

mshark is heat

tho im not sure if i vibe w it here

seems a little awk to position it on a BO build

i typically like more offensive styles to put it on

[leaden fiber]

i liked it hear w spikestack for shit like

idk ferro and pex ig

and then protgren baits things

here*

[obtuse prairie]

if it works it works

whatcha having trouble w then

[leaden fiber]

not too much honestly, just wanted to see if there was any general feedback

u had

[obtuse prairie]

no dark resist is a bit eh for agren

[leaden fiber]

Yea i agree tbh

Leech ferro is like

[obtuse prairie]

would pressure rly well

[leaden fiber]

not that bulky

[obtuse prairie]

whats bro here for

[leaden fiber]

lop medi

[obtuse prairie]

what if you made it clef instead

[leaden fiber]

o

Yea I can work that

clef also helps into washer

[obtuse prairie]

ye

and if you go cm you have a solid wincon there

[leaden fiber]

so maybe rocks clef defog scor?

also true

do i need defog

[obtuse prairie]

sorta? 3/4 of the team do be taking in hazards

[leaden fiber]

court change greninja

[obtuse prairie]

alas

[leaden fiber]

cm rocks clef sounds terrible

maybe i run like cm flame soft rocks?

er

moon flame soft rocks

[obtuse prairie]

maybe

[leaden fiber]

and then id run like max spdef or smth kek

[obtuse prairie]

maybe like cm thunder clef to pressure pex and then replace gren with a fogger

since gren + shark is a little awk

[leaden fiber]

Oo

i like that too

not thunder

i hate thunder

[obtuse prairie]

[leaden fiber]

adv rachi momento

ill j run tbolt

not sure what most clefs evs are for, smogon analysis says 80/252+/176

feel like if i want to check spexgren i need a little more bulk?

but If i go w clef and ferro i can beat either stab maybe

hmm

[obtuse prairie]

since you're the 1 and only defense to mmedimlop max def is prob good

[leaden fiber]

Ah

Very true

[obtuse prairie]

and yea typically you play pivoting games

[leaden fiber]

cm lefties?