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silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 4:49 PM

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smh

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Talon w.o removal on balance == unviable

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Dia doesnt deny the most common rocker in the tier being mold breaker driller

leaden fiber Mar 1, 2023, 4:50 PM

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theres a defog gliscor right there sire

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 4:50 PM

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U sad defog + pheal

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In ORAS

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._.

leaden fiber Mar 1, 2023, 4:51 PM

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wait what is oras defog

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 4:51 PM

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Zerkas….

leaden fiber Mar 1, 2023, 4:51 PM

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i told u i hate oras

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 4:51 PM

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Defog pre USUM had to be transferred from DPP

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And pheal is a hidden ability

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Do u see the problem now?

leaden fiber Mar 1, 2023, 4:51 PM

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oh so it doesnt work?

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 4:51 PM

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Oui

leaden fiber Mar 1, 2023, 4:52 PM

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oh

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oof

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cheempao

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oras sux

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 4:52 PM

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If u wanna use defog scor it needs to be with sand veil or hyper cutter

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And at that point u lose the niche of gliscor

naive stump Mar 1, 2023, 4:53 PM

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silver reef And at that point u lose the niche of gliscor

Nah, it keep the niche of haxxing ojama with sand veil CalyrexBrain

leaden fiber Mar 1, 2023, 4:53 PM

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cheempao

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:09 PM

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silver reef U sad defog + pheal

Ye ik

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I later changed it to sand veil

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:10 PM

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silver reef Talon w.o removal on balance == unviable

Wdym by this

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:13 PM

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I assumed scor wasnt fog cause u cant use it w/ pheal

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But since u appeared to have fixed it (albeit defog glisc is terrible in oras) u can prolly fix ur rotom wash weakness next

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Ur team also has like zero wallbreaking potential

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:14 PM

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silver reef But since u appeared to have fixed it (albeit defog glisc is terrible in oras) u...

Ig ttar sand would let me take a little advantage

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:14 PM

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Scarf keld sucks, talon is firing blanks into bulky waters like slowbro and rotom

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:14 PM

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Of that

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:14 PM

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silver reef Scarf keld sucks, talon is firing blanks into bulky waters like slowbro and roto...

What do u suggest

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Serp?

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:15 PM

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No steel also means clef or opposing dia is gonna ruin u

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:15 PM

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I see

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:15 PM

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U can do like

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:15 PM

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Prolly like scarfed steel

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:15 PM

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Serp bro talon dia exca clef

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:15 PM

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Actually

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Exca

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:16 PM

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Scarf exca is bad outside of HO

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Zero longevity with a bulkier team

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:16 PM

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Not scarf

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Sand

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I have a ttar

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Remember

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:16 PM

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Yea u could

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ive yet to see a talon team work with sand but yea

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:17 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e8f4b2dd3470d5e7

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:17 PM

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Yea u prolly need serp on this

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U need some way to pressure fatter builds

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Over gliscor

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:18 PM

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Does serp get defog

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:18 PM

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It doesnt

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But spin if u play it well is good enough

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u need wincons vs fat more than double removal

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:19 PM

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I see

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Subset serp?

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:19 PM

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Prolly fine

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:20 PM

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https://pokepast.es/f3ef9494ca878dbd

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:21 PM

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Wisp SD talon is better

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Flare blitz bb almost never wins unless ur opp chokes or u have natural gift grass

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:22 PM

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I see

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:22 PM

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I also really would suggest clef > ttar

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Spdef clef mainly

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:22 PM

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Ye

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:22 PM

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It gives u an actual dark resist + compresses thundurus + volcanion check in one slot

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And u can afford it cause u have other ways to rk volc with talon

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better vs zam too

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:23 PM

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silver reef + better vs zam too

Doesent chopper berry ttar do better

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:23 PM

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Rocks clef can prolly work here too cause u can punish spin with helmet bro

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:23 PM

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Vs thst

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:23 PM

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silver reef It gives u an actual dark resist + compresses thundurus + volcanion check in one...

And that

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:23 PM

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rugged fossil Doesent chopper berry ttar do better

If u play it perfectly yes

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But spdef clef walls mzam so long as they dont crit or spdef drop u

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:24 PM

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I see

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Otherwise is the team fine ?

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:25 PM

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Yea it looks much better

rugged fossil Mar 1, 2023, 5:25 PM

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Alright ty m8

silver reef Mar 1, 2023, 5:28 PM

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@leaden fiber ur terrible

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GG.

leaden fiber Mar 1, 2023, 5:28 PM

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cheempao

tribal smelt Mar 1, 2023, 6:20 PM

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https://pokepast.es/0062b2005d292a7f SS OU

karmic geyserBOT Mar 1, 2023, 6:20 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tribal smelt Mar 1, 2023, 6:20 PM

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I posted an idea like this earlier this week but it feels like I do not know what helps abuse grassy terrain here

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I might swap out Rilla for Bulu and work from there

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Some of the teams I saw last gen that worked like this used banded weavile for progress with Swampert but I personally am not a big fan

peak canyon Mar 2, 2023, 5:38 AM

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tribal smelt https://pokepast.es/0062b2005d292a7f SS OU

why fsight with no teleport

hazy grotto Mar 2, 2023, 7:21 AM

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peak canyon why fsight with no teleport

I don’t think that slowking can learn teleport

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plus you can’t use status moves with AV

fickle tulip Mar 2, 2023, 7:34 AM

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hazy grotto I don’t think that slowking can learn teleport

it can.

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 8:30 AM

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peak canyon why fsight with no teleport

Gking with Port is not a set

peak canyon Mar 2, 2023, 8:31 AM

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tribal smelt Gking with Port is not a set

oh yea its normal slowking

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with futureport

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cheempao

karmic geyserBOT Mar 2, 2023, 10:01 AM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie, @naive stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 10:02 AM

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Looks alright

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I'm not liking at all the diggersby tho

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And neither the lando scarf

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Might put another scarfer over diggersby

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And makes the lando RH/Z/lefto

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Prob Z-fly with SD

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Hum

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Kartana or Victini I think

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Lele scarf might work but its a bit weird with the prio you got

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But you got a good idea with vile + medi

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Np

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Another variant you could makes

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Is volcarona over weavile if you want

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Both options are alright imo

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Anw, structure is fine like that

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Just toy a bit and see what you like the most

balmy willow Mar 2, 2023, 10:38 AM

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so sorry for the late response, didnt check cuz no ping so i thought it got buried

really thanks for your feedback ill definitely look into mew. i mainly picked azelf cuz faster and outspeeds mew, also like its BST more.

there isn't much to work with here
got it, ill try something else later.

Weezing galar on HO..
was told that i need something more tanky, it also provides anti fighting and anti fairy coverage in one..

anyway, tyallsm for the feedback!

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 1:12 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5ac2d1ed4a052504

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@naive stump (done with it)

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gen 7 OU

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:24 PM

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late fog https://pokepast.es/5ac2d1ed4a052504

Looks alright

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Need to change the fini's spread, kinda outdated imo

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Also, not fond of the speed control as usual

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But not sure what to remove here on this team

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I'm feeling you can go without heatran or ferro

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But no heatran makes Scizor really annoying

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And removing ferro for something like kart scarf kinda works but makes koko annoying

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And you lose spikes as well

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Could do something like

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KB + Zam + Victini Scarf + Lando + Ferro + Rotom-Wash

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Makes gren really annoying because no dark-resist

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But KB + Zam + Kart Scarf + Lando + Heatran + Fini also works

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 1:30 PM

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Pretty sure he had fini

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Ye

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 1:31 PM

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naive stump Need to change the fini's spread, kinda outdated imo

Can’t he go for a phys def

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Fini

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:31 PM

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naive stump KB + Zam + Victini Scarf + Lando + Ferro + Rotom-Wash

I mean this

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 1:31 PM

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252 hp 152 def 88 spD 16 spee is what i use for fini

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:31 PM

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Ig

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Need spedef for gren and tran tho

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 1:32 PM

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88 spD works ig

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:32 PM

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I usually use physdef when I'm really weak to chomp

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But it makes gren and tran really scary for endgame

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 1:32 PM

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naive stump I usually use physdef when I'm really weak to chomp

I saw your builds , you usually use 96 def if I’m right

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:32 PM

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Esp gren

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Old builds

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But yh

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 1:33 PM

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naive stump Need to change the fini's spread, kinda outdated imo

ah

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 1:33 PM

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I see

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:33 PM

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Bold 96 def

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 1:33 PM

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100 spee

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96 def

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56 spD

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252 hp

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Pretty sure 96 def is for +2 continental crush from chomp

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:33 PM

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I know kek

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 1:34 PM

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naive stump KB + Zam + Victini Scarf + Lando + Ferro + Rotom-Wash

so either this, or the second one right?

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:34 PM

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I dont use spread without knowing the purpose

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Just test

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I like the KB + zam + tran core

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 1:34 PM

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naive stump I dont use spread without knowing the purpose

Which spread

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:34 PM

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Like

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KB + zam works well

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 1:35 PM

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Oh spreads in general

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:35 PM

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But you def need something to abuse sciaor

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Yh, in general

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So a fire such as heatran makes a lot of sense

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 1:35 PM

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Ye understood m8

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:35 PM

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Or even zapdos

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 1:35 PM

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I had to make the gliscor 136 spee on empos team

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Banded hyper fury space was

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A pain in the ass

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I needed a knock off on the band

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 1:36 PM

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so the only this i need to change here is, drop heatran and go for scarf vic and rotom w>fini

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:38 PM

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Yh, maybe

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Makes the core more offensive

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So should be fine to drop the bulk for something faster

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But try the two version

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Usually, I put KB + Zam on balance tbf kek

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But it can work on offense or BO as well

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Just need enough offense to compensate the amount of bulk you put on the squad

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 1:48 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ab1f44718e0fbf1f

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 1:48 PM

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naive stump Usually, I put KB + Zam on balance tbf kek

wow

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 1:48 PM

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naive stump Just need enough offense to compensate the amount of bulk you put on the squad

Btw

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U got any balanced teams

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Around m disncie

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:49 PM

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Dont you have already that skype balance with z-ice toxa?

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:50 PM

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late fog https://pokepast.es/ab1f44718e0fbf1f

Yh, looks alright

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Might makes KB roost instead

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With Jolly nature also

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 1:51 PM

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kb learn roost?

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learns*

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:51 PM

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The drop of SpA is not important as Ice beam from KB with minus nature in SpA still OHKO careful gliscor

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Yh

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Also, makes the ferro twave for zard-y and volcarona MU

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 1:52 PM

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ah

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:52 PM

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I like more knock off lando here

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 1:52 PM

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knock off > toxic

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:53 PM

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Remove item of rotom and flying steel such as celes and skarm

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 1:53 PM

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sounds good right?

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:53 PM

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Yh

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Also

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If you run final gambit on vic

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Need almost full HP

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 1:53 PM

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mhm

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:53 PM

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At least 395 for bro and all

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You'rz running full atk on the past kek

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 1:54 PM

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naive stump You'rz running full atk on the past kek

crazy, thanks a lot though kaiser!

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:54 PM

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Np

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 1:57 PM

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naive stump Dont you have already that skype balance with z-ice toxa?

Oh the one by skype

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 1:57 PM

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naive stump Dont you have already that skype balance with z-ice toxa?

I thought that was fat

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 1:58 PM

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Fat is a form of balance for me

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But, yh, fat

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:00 PM

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Ye shit empos fat is my best usage

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I’m playing this gen after ages lol

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 2:00 PM

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kaiser is hoopa good?

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also what kind of teams does it fit in?

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:04 PM

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Hoopa is a bit weird

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Not that worth imo

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And only good to counter bad stall/fat

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:04 PM

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Too fast for trickroom mon has no home

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:05 PM

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It's alright with volt-turn support ig

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Hum

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I think its fine

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But just as a sole TR abuser

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Like TR hoopa as a set

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Just like TR mag

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Funny but not good imo

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:05 PM

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Tr is a nieche play style

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:05 PM

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TR is fine imo

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:05 PM

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I try to avoid it as much as possible

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:05 PM

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Not the usual shit with azelf maw TR mag tho

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More like the TRs that Zaza made

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:06 PM

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I’ve tried

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:06 PM

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Literally only exists to feast on bad stall idk I hate hoopa so much
One random pivot cope U turn and your whole plan explodes plus its annoying to build I would not use it earnestly atm

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:06 PM

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Using ramphardos

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Tr

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:06 PM

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Yh

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:06 PM

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But that was8 dex

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:06 PM

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I dislike hoopa also

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:06 PM

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I cant deny it being useful though

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Mon has absurd calcs

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Its a matter of making those calcs matter in real play

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:07 PM

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But yh

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TR sun of zaza

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Is prob the only viable TR in sm ou

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:07 PM

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If its sole purpose is as some 6th dead slot TR it fits

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Like wtf outspeeds Ferro

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Ferro is usually dead by the time you TR

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:08 PM

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Yh

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:08 PM

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Means you get to freely click your 170 something bst dark for free

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:08 PM

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TR is weird to build anw

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Zaza always tell to me

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That a good TR

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Should always works outside of the TR

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:10 PM

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I think you can only do dedicated TR with two conditions

Metagame defense bst is so low your TR abusers gets to freely run hog wild if youve got a dead turn to TR on (SwSh)
Your tr abuser is independent

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:11 PM

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Yh

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Its a hard playstyle to build

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 2:12 PM

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zaza?

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:12 PM

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Exactly like stall

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 2:12 PM

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does it function well though?

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:12 PM

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It functions like TR lol basically a coinflip

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 2:12 PM

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which mon is zaza again?

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:13 PM

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late fog zaza?

Sm hero ladder

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:13 PM

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Games end at turn 7 or your team gets picked apart with 1 dead on enemy team

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:13 PM

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And basically the only dude able to build good sun

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 2:13 PM

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oh ah

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:13 PM

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Ladder heroes are ladder heroes and shouldnt really be used as team steals

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More like an example on what youre supposed to do

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I have a bunch ive saved from SwSh OU and translating their playstyle is not friendly for standard play

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:15 PM

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naive stump Sm hero ladder

Zaza bitchulla?

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Doesent bramito boy also run drought

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:16 PM

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Yh

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Not his only alt tho

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:16 PM

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They’re the same guys?

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:16 PM

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Not sure for bramito boy

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I know steatlhy koala

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:17 PM

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I’ve always won bramito boy

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:17 PM

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And TnT boom

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:17 PM

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I have mu every time

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He uses av lele

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Keldeo

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:17 PM

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I dont think its him then kek

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:17 PM

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Char Y

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:17 PM

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Also Stall in SM wouldnt be so coinflippy if you didnt need to run like 5 different variants to cover ladder makes the builder ass

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:17 PM

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Koko

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:17 PM

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Zaza crush me all the time

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:17 PM

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Probably said that like 50 times lol

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:17 PM

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And I already played againt you

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:17 PM

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I think I have a

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Replay vs zaza

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:18 PM

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naive stump And I already played againt you

You fought me ?

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:18 PM

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You're liderax?

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:18 PM

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Ye that’s my brothers account

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But I use that

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Now

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:18 PM

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Ah

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Brother

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:18 PM

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Main is

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:18 PM

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Mb then

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:18 PM

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Fdmw125

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:18 PM

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naive stump Brother

But

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He doesent use that

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He uses Liderax test now

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He doesent play sm ou

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Using that

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Lemme find the replay vs

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Zaza

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:19 PM

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This is because german111 is the last hercules challenge to breach SM high ladder
Or highvort3x randomly running stall in a tier it sucks in which happens constantly on replays

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:19 PM

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German111 sucks tho

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:19 PM

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True

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He’s been using the same team for 3 years

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I usually win over him

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:20 PM

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Yh lol

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:20 PM

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I have a handful of replays

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Against him

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:20 PM

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He sucks so much lol

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:20 PM

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Its more telling of skill if you do lose is what I meant more WeirdChamp

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:20 PM

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Ah

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Ic

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But, yh, that's stall for you

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I know that treeman got some decent squad

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But, as usual, its a question of how much you want to invest to build something overall viable

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:21 PM

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-1795077622-2thonoimzqy770waqlrkq0pi0p1drlcpw

[Gen 7] OU replay: Liderax vs. Zaza Bitchulia - Pokémon Showdown

Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between Liderax and Zaza Bitchulia ([Gen 7] OU)

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:21 PM

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Like, zaza spent years to master sun

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:21 PM

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naive stump I know that treeman got some decent squad

Are u snipe ut?

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:21 PM

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And build sun

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Yh

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:21 PM

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Also highvortex is highvortex last time I spectated he was bashing 1500s+ in Gen 5 OU with Slowbro stall

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Dude is impervious to quality checking I fuck with him

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:22 PM

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rugged fossil https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-1795077622-2thonoimzqy770waqlrkq0pi0p1...

Lmao

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"ez" at the end

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:23 PM

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Did I say that?

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Oh ye my reuni survived at 1 hp

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:23 PM

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rugged fossil Are u snipe ut?

More exactly, I share the alt with treeman

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Yh

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:23 PM

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naive stump More exactly, I share the alt with treeman

Oh proftreez

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:23 PM

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Oh well, I beat your ass once with CM clef kek

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:24 PM

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Cm clef?

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I don’t remember

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Was I using empos fat

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:24 PM

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At least, I beat the liderax alt with the empo fat

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With camerupt CM clef

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:24 PM

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I see

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:24 PM

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I was under SolFB alt

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:24 PM

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That’s weird I shouldn’t loose to a sameript

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:25 PM

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naive stump With camerupt CM clef

Was clef magic guard

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And took tspikes

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:25 PM

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Yh lol

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:25 PM

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So I couldn’t twave with chansey

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:25 PM

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Dont remember

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Nah

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:25 PM

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And then my only bet was haze pex

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Ok ye I don’t remember then

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:25 PM

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You threw chansey for some reason

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And I just pressure the rest

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Aka toxa glis lop

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My CM clef was LO moonblast and tbolt

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:26 PM

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Empos fat is the best thing sm ou has to offer

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:26 PM

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Ig lol

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:26 PM

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Good mu vs stall , weather , tr

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Decent vs balanced and ho

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:27 PM

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I thought ABR farmed that team in tourneys lately?

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:27 PM

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has the mega maw and manaphy weakness but both of em are dealable

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:27 PM

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Lot of people

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:27 PM

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Or am I thinking of else

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:27 PM

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Empo fat is such a stable in sm ou

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:27 PM

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naive stump Lot of people

Ye I got a upcoming sm ou fan tourney

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Not for people in smog cord

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Actually

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It’s for

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People in smog cord

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But

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Not hosted my smogon

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:28 PM

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Yh

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:28 PM

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My only bet is to

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Run this team the whole tourn

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:28 PM

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Try do play something else kek

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:28 PM

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Last time I played sm ou before 1 month baxk was at zygarde ban

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:28 PM

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Its not exactly the hardest shit to fish unfort

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:29 PM

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I’m only practicing sm ou cuz of a shit fan game

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:29 PM

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Ah

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Fair enough

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:29 PM

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On that topic couldnt that SwSh pex LS set see some use in SM

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:29 PM

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Hum

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It was an idea in general with my peeps

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Like, treeman made some hellish tias reflect balance

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And, in general, using screens to improve pivoting

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Is def something valuable imo

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:30 PM

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Shed Shell for Tran obv

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:30 PM

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naive stump Like, treeman made some hellish tias reflect balance

I see

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I’ve seen profteez using

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Shed shell pex

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:31 PM

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I know lol

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:31 PM

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Think it was with the mega toss

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Tias

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:31 PM

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I have all his shit

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:31 PM

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Team

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:31 PM

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naive stump I have all his shit

You quite literally have 90 percent of the shit

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Sm ou has to offer

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:31 PM

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Nah

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I'm just his friend

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And also main actor for like half of his shit

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I wish I could have more contact ngl

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:32 PM

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Teach me sm ou fr

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:32 PM

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Has 90% of the teams SM has to offer (none of which have Hoopa U)

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:33 PM

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I’m only a ladder warrior lol

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:33 PM

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Like a lot of us lmao

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:33 PM

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Lmao

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:33 PM

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Ladder heroes are still valuable imo

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:33 PM

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Hoopa is just boring ngl

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:33 PM

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Helps to actually test tier progression

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:33 PM

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Yh

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:33 PM

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naive stump Hoopa is just boring ngl

Slide in some good defensice cores

tribal smelt Mar 2, 2023, 2:33 PM

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If you see a new set spammed in high ladder it probably means its good

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:33 PM

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The only core that comes in my mind whenever I’m team building is

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Lando T + fini + magearna

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:34 PM

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Issue is that

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High ladder

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Is german being bad kek

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Yh

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Hoopa can be decent

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But boring

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I dislike building on that

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Nothing funny

late fog Mar 2, 2023, 2:34 PM

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rugged fossil Lando T + fini + magearna

lando t + ferro for me

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or fini + kb

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:35 PM

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-1794087640-lr7d7lhqdhyx6nxs4lm4o486lbzv2i0pw

[Gen 7] OU replay: german111 vs. Liderax - Pokémon Showdown

Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between german111 and Liderax ([Gen 7] OU)

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:35 PM

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rugged fossil The only core that comes in my mind whenever I’m team building is

Need to improve that then

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Man

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:35 PM

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-1787873631-xjb933yhy2mpyvdqukwbdlcmiajvnn6pw

[Gen 7] OU replay: Liderax vs. German111 - Pokémon Showdown

Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between Liderax and German111 ([Gen 7] OU)

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:35 PM

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This variant of xtrashine

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Suck so much

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:35 PM

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This is the one where he gets 6-0

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:36 PM

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I mean

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I have replay

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:36 PM

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naive stump This variant of xtrashine

Grc is his account right

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:36 PM

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Where german lose to xatu

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Yh

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:36 PM

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naive stump Where german lose to xatu

Whirlpool perish song

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Team ?

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With xatu

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Ik that team

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:36 PM

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Nah

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It was some bulu screens shit

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But the replay is old

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:37 PM

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naive stump Need to improve that then

I’m only limited to fats and stalls

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That’s my usage

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:37 PM

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naive stump It was some bulu screens shit

I have his replay where he looses to charmflahs

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:37 PM

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Fair enough

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I respect stall main

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But even treeman accept to play other style

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:38 PM

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naive stump But even treeman accept to play other style

Ye I’m working on that

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That’s why I come to u 😝

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:38 PM

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Kek

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Nw

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:39 PM

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As I said

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:39 PM

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I also use only shit stuff in other tours

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:39 PM

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My defensice cores in balanced team

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Are usually only limited to

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Magearna + lando T + fini

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:39 PM

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Its not hard to go for other shit

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:39 PM

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Actually I use

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Skarm + clef + gastro

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Aswell

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But yeah

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:40 PM

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-ou-teambuilding-competition-the-return-week-1-mega-at-or-below-b-rank-on-post-232.3691553/post-9519875

Smogon Forums

OU - SM OU - Teambuilding Competition : The Return (Week 1 : Mega a...

WEAV + CMSPLIT MAGE RAIN

:sm/pelipper: :sm/swampert-mega: :sm/weavile: :sm/ferrothorn: :sm/tornadus-therian: :sm/magearna:
:pelipper: The quintessential rain setter, Pelipper. You should know the trick by now, it clicks U-Turn to pivot into threats, Roost if it needs to heal, and while it isn't...

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:40 PM

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naive stump Its not hard to go for other shit

For example?

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:40 PM

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Its a cool core

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I host the teambuilding competition atm

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:40 PM

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naive stump Its a cool core

Which

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:40 PM

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naive stump I host the teambuilding competition atm

Oh damn

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:40 PM

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Clef skarm gastro

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I like clef atm

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:40 PM

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naive stump Clef skarm gastro

He

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Ye

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I usually use toad for

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Gastro

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If it’s a wish pass

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Clef

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:41 PM

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Toad is heat

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:41 PM

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True that

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:41 PM

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naive stump https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-ou-teambuilding-competition-the-return-...

Idea

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Is that people build stuff on the theme I pick for a week

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And post it

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And we vote for the best one

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So, you can use that competition to build yourself new stuff

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:42 PM

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naive stump https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-ou-teambuilding-competition-the-return-...

Oh cm reuni is here aswell

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:42 PM

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I dont mind to help you a bit as well

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Yh

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Lot of ladder boya

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:42 PM

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Cm reuni spectates almost every game

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:42 PM

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Yh

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:42 PM

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Never really fought him tho

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:42 PM

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I try to reunite every ladder boya into one community

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:43 PM

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naive stump I try to reunite every ladder boya into one community

Where’s that comm

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:43 PM

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Check the sm discord

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:43 PM

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I ain’t verified in that server

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:43 PM

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Stupid bot

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Oh

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No smogon account?

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:43 PM

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It got banned I think

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:43 PM

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Kek

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:44 PM

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Lemme make a new one

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:44 PM

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Yh

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Try to join the server

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And participate in those event

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:47 PM

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Alright made one

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:51 PM

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naive stump https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-ou-teambuilding-competition-the-return-...

This looks very interesting tbh

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:51 PM

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Yh

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Just wait a bit

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For a new round

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:52 PM

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alright

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:52 PM

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I try to pick only funny theme for this compet

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:52 PM

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naive stump https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-ou-teambuilding-competition-the-return-...

I didn’t understand what the theme was here

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:55 PM

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Its the title of the thread kek

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:57 PM

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Oh mega at below b

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:57 PM

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naive stump Its the title of the thread kek

I saw your viability rankings

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Idk what camerupt is doing above crawdunt here

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:59 PM

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Yh

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Outdated

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 2:59 PM

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naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 2:59 PM

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rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 3:00 PM

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naive stump

Oh this is the latest

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 3:00 PM

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Yh

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 3:00 PM

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Oh damn

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Where’s crawdunt

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 3:00 PM

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C+

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 3:01 PM

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Oo ok

rugged fossil Mar 2, 2023, 3:21 PM

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-1812451369-kktidvkdcdovbnl03e63rwzpsgn52g1pw

[Gen 7] OU replay: Fdmw125 vs. Grc111 - Pokémon Showdown

Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between Fdmw125 and Grc111 ([Gen 7] OU)

hazy grotto Mar 2, 2023, 5:19 PM

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https://pokepast.es/cbca6aaa86ebe752 I wanted to build around mega diancie

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im not too good with diancie but I’ll try it anyways

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Zone - very good Pokémon here as I think it takes care of problems that this team struggles with (scizor,steela,ferro and also taking care of bulky water types)
Reu - mainly is here for medicham because medicham fucks up this team and deals with other fighting types and psychic types
Diancie - star of the show nothing else
Bulu - deals with greninja which this team struggles against too and also sort of acting like a physical breaker
Hippo - deals with charizard X and zard Y also a problem to this team and my rock setter
Skarm - Defog can deal with Weavile which this team struggles to switch into

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I’ve won a couple of games so far but looking for any improvements

leaden fiber Mar 2, 2023, 5:26 PM

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i dont think id skarm

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im not sold on skarm at all

hazy grotto Mar 2, 2023, 5:27 PM

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I had Gliscor originally but idk

leaden fiber Mar 2, 2023, 5:27 PM

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yeah vile isvery hard to switch

worthy pulsar Mar 2, 2023, 6:28 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e15be55e2f2dc85b Gen 7 OU

karmic geyserBOT Mar 2, 2023, 6:28 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie, @naive stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

hazy grotto Mar 2, 2023, 6:38 PM

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hazy grotto https://pokepast.es/cbca6aaa86ebe752 I wanted to build around mega diancie

@naive stump

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:21 PM

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eh

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I'm back

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:21 PM

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hazy grotto <@1027533660901081089>

I'm not really understanding the team at all tbf

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apart zone + diancie

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feel like the rest is just niche pokemon put together for some reasons

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also, team is really weak to any form of psy-spam

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lele click moonblast here

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and the team really dont have the tools to constantly not lose to zam

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also, this set of skarmory is simply awful

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Iron Defense is something such as fuck tbh

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like, I can imagine this tech to check SD mawile ig lol

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but, outside of that, skarmory is just waste of what this pokemon can actually do in this tier

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aka putting spikes and phazzing

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if you want that badly a skarm that can do stuff outside of those two assets, SD skarmory with z-brave bird can be cool on the right squad

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which is not the case here obviously

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not sure how to help here as I'm not entirely sure with the main concept

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hippo + reu + zone really looks like some semi-stall stuff

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but the diancie clearly gives this feeling of something a bit more proactive

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which is why its a bit difficult to help here

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If you want to keep a diancie + zone but with some solid backbone, might try some stuff with celesteela + toxapex instead

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alongside a bulu and some ground such as gliscor SD for example

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feels like you cover more stuff and Diancie-Mega + Magnezone + SD Gliscor actually form a decent offensive core

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can also makes gliscor a defogger if hazards is too annoying for your taste

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:29 PM

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worthy pulsar https://pokepast.es/e15be55e2f2dc85b Gen 7 OU

Hi

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this is some nice well-known structure

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tran bulu rotom maw BO

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and grass-spam is not a bad idea at all here

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but I think we can makes some small improvment here

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first of all, I do think bulu should be more defensive

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with mawile + SD kartana, you already got something very solid to offensively pressure

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:31 PM

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https://pokepast.es/4d47c33bc165c001 kaiser could you look at this afterwards too

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:31 PM

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but, here, I fear a lot gren just clicking water shuriken in the endgame

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and, overall, water pressuring the relatively frail core of bulu + rotom

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with bulu spedef, you can also run instead rotom bold

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and improve your MU against the like of swampert-mega and hawlucha

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Kartana set is fine here

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can run z-fight or z-grass here

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Iron Head mawile is really a bad option in general*

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I get hitting venusaur is nice here, but venusaur is a really niche pokemon atm

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so, not something to lose a slot for it

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instead, I prefer much more a 4A mawile here

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with fire fang to lure scizor-mega because the steel bug is very annoying here overall

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:34 PM

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you mean ffang right?

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idt it gets fpunch

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:35 PM

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yh lol

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thx

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apart that, I like the team

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good job

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:35 PM

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tropic schooner https://pokepast.es/4d47c33bc165c001 kaiser could you look at this afterwards to...

bump bump bump

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:35 PM

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tropic schooner https://pokepast.es/4d47c33bc165c001 kaiser could you look at this afterwards to...

obama!!!

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:35 PM

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indeed!!!

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i remembered you gave me a set of it

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so was like

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yea sure

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:36 PM

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I have no fucking idea how to build on that ngl

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:36 PM

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the main idea is

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get damage on ferro with aboma

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:36 PM

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but obama ice-spam was something I tried with zaza

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:36 PM

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and win with hone claws kyub

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:37 PM

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let me check if I have that shit

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:37 PM

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nm lele weakens heatran without having to hit focus

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:38 PM

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https://pokepast.es/92fda48f3e22217f

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:38 PM

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and fini tran lando is just good stuffs core

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:38 PM

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what the hell is this lmao

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:38 PM

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the hell did yall do

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jeez

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:39 PM

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yh lol

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:39 PM

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av iron tail torn my fav mdia cope

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:39 PM

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kek

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diancie was an issue here

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hit ttar!!!

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on that note, you also got an annoying diancie MU

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:40 PM

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i mean i get it hp ice mdia just wins but like

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this is too far.

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:40 PM

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and medicham in a sense

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but not sure how you're suppose to resolve those kind of MU tbh

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yh

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yacha lando was on my mind tbf

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trade for some damage on medi

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and hail + prio should be fine for endgame

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:41 PM

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hmm

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:41 PM

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hum

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now, how to not lose to kartana

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oh well

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its obama

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should be fine kek

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:42 PM

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probably yea

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:43 PM

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I was trying to fit some

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rindo berry flame water on fini slot

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:43 PM

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i mean the most i can do is make this structure lose to hawlucha but kinda be fine against kart by adding kommo somewhere

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:43 PM

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and gren exist in this world unfort

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yh lol

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:43 PM

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thats the most i can think of

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:43 PM

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I think you could make an argument for some aguav berry bold fini

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rain is the worst shit every actually as you got some solid offensive pressure on it overall

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and aguav berry basically give you more life overall

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as, let's be honest, your team can't hold himself for more than 30 turns

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:45 PM

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i think rain matchup is really good if i do

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blizz wood hammer aboma

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blizz hammer eq hp fire

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:46 PM

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yh

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its all about how much you can pressure with KB and abo

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:46 PM

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https://pokepast.es/a36a902584c2f104

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:46 PM

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on steel

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:46 PM

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how much does that spread do to cm mage act

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i need to check

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:47 PM

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I dont understand

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:48 PM

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i wanted to check if eq actually 2hkoed cm split mage

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136 Atk Abomasnow-Mega Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 28 Def Magearna: 176-208 (48.4 - 57.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after hail damage

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:48 PM

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oh

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sadge

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:48 PM

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i mean thats decent ig

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copeable

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:48 PM

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also would be cool to run speed on abo kek

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124 speed

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outspeed scizor and slow maw

worthy pulsar Mar 2, 2023, 7:49 PM

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naive stump first of all, I do think bulu should be more defensive

Thanks for the advice? Do you think fully defensive is better, and with different item and moves? https://pokepast.es/e15be55e2f2dc85b

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:49 PM

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i need bulk to live rando shit

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especially mage fleur

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:49 PM

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worthy pulsar Thanks for the advice? Do you think fully defensive is better, and with differen...

yh, prob leftovers with some spedef

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hum

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I think bulky SD z-rock + some kart band could work also

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:50 PM

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tropic schooner i need bulk to live rando shit

yh lol

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:50 PM

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Arctic Winds (Abomasnow-Mega) @ Abomasite
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 124 HP / 136 Atk / 124 SpA / 124 Spe
Rash Nature

Blizzard
Wood Hammer
Earthquake
Hidden Power [Fire]

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:50 PM

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0 SpA Abomasnow Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 244 SpD Scizor-Mega: 132-156 (38.4 - 45.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:50 PM

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this looks pretty enough

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:50 PM

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this is extremely sad

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124 SpA Abomasnow Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 244 SpD Scizor-Mega: 148-176 (43.1 - 51.3%) -- 49.6% chance to 2HKO after hail damage

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oh quiet

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:51 PM

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this is 124+

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:51 PM

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124+ SpA Abomasnow Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 244 SpD Scizor-Mega: 160-192 (46.6 - 55.9%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after hail damage

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nice

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hail broken!!!

worthy pulsar Mar 2, 2023, 7:51 PM

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naive stump I think bulky SD z-rock + some kart band could work also

I'll try that out, thanks!

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:51 PM

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np

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:52 PM

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naive stump 124+ SpA Abomasnow Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 244 SpD Scizor-Mega: 160-192 (...

Enough for double fusion bolt kill

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We take those

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:52 PM

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yh

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so yh

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:53 PM

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I think thatll be good enough for an aboma team

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:53 PM

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hum

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lele scarf or kart scarf

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the real question

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man

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abo + bulu

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grass-spam

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:54 PM

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Scarf bulu sucks so much

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:54 PM

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nah

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abo + bulu + kart

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ultimate grass-spam!!

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anw

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should be fine I reckon

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:54 PM

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I guess

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:54 PM

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prob some optimization to do here

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:54 PM

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Thats one shit mega off the checklist!!?

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Ill look into it more tomorrow

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:55 PM

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yh

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:55 PM

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I actually wanna build non shit megas before i get into like mega lix

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:55 PM

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at this point, its much more offensive than what expected

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:55 PM

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I should build mbro and megallade and mhera

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:55 PM

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but hail has this one cool effect

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of chiping everything

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so, on paper, steel should melt quickly

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:56 PM

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Yea it actually puts a lotta stuff into freeze shock range

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Funnily

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And bolt strike

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:56 PM

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yh

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then your scarfer should be able to clean I hope lol

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could ev your KB to take one HJK from lucha as usual

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yh, its prob a good enough set of KB here

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can't settle my mind on something definitive here tbf

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but the structure is here (?) I believe

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I really dont have enough experience with obama unfort

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:58 PM

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The structure is here but hm

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Bulky kyub does sound nice

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:58 PM

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~~build camel instead pls~~

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 7:59 PM

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I am gonna build camel with zerkas later

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But as i said

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I wanna prioritize building non shit megas i didnt build

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 7:59 PM

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tropic schooner Bulky kyub does sound nice

yh, round well this team

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dont need to go too much either

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outspeed lando seems really too useful

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SD lando is genuinely scary without that

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:00 PM

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tropic schooner I am gonna build camel with zerkas later

good luck

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:01 PM

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Weav camel

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Good ol

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:01 PM

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ic

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still a very delicate mega to handle

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can't say at all I manage to understand that fucker lol

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:02 PM

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The truth is rock slide mcamel to beat volcarona

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:02 PM

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yh

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using camel that way

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actually patch a lot of issue

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for any team

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I just wish rotom was not real

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that way, camel would abuse every viable electric of the tier

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:03 PM

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I wish grass types actually checked washer

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Wisp is a pain

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:04 PM

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yh

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:04 PM

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Oh hey ig tang and amoon maybe

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:04 PM

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this is why I slot gastro on my version

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and put some band sharp

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to punish rotom with spikes + defiant + pursuit

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I think one good structure with vile camel

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could be something with like slowbro eject button

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camel + bulu + tran + slowbro ebutton + vile + scarfer my ass

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:06 PM

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Oh ye camel defo wants bulu

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And then last is like

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Kart lele lando

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:07 PM

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yh

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double ground is fine I think

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I still dont like it

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but lando scarf makes lot of sense

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:07 PM

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Its fine but it kinda sucky wucky into weavile spamming ice shard late game

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:07 PM

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yh

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vile is annoying here

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well, can slot tech tran

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:08 PM

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I guess the tran can be a mage too no?

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:08 PM

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and play around with bulu tran

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yh, very true

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:08 PM

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Because sub lati is also very annoying

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:08 PM

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camel can slot rocks

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:08 PM

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So just swap split mage there

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And sub stored is no issue

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:09 PM

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yh, fair

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sounds like a decent six

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lando scarf being the sole defogger is annoying

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but you basically punish spiker with camel

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and instead put your own rocks

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forcing defog in a sense lol

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:09 PM

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If ebutton thingy wasnt needed i wanted washer here

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:10 PM

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meh

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oh yh

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nah

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issue

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is that you rely on lando do check medi and lop

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:10 PM

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Oh ye true

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:10 PM

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and then kart endgame fucks you so badly

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:10 PM

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Mlop becomes annoying

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:10 PM

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which is already more or less the fact ngl kek

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without tran

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:11 PM

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Cant scarfer be a

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Flier

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:11 PM

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hum

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atm, its zard-x that make me cry

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:12 PM

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Like idk something shit like

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Scarf torn

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:12 PM

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hum

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let's say

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stone edge bulu

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twave mag

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oh wait

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slowbro

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:12 PM

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Ye

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Bro

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Just twave bro

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Works i thinks

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:13 PM

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yh

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praise bro

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yh

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then

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ebutton was a cool idea

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but u know what's cooler

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rindo berry

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:14 PM

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Do we still go scarf torn last or nah

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:14 PM

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nah

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:14 PM

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Act do we need a scarfer

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Just av torn last

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:14 PM

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then lando scarf should be alright

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oh

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lowering speed control ic

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yh, maybe

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:14 PM

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Weav should be enough

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:14 PM

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not AV then

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:14 PM

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Hepm

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:14 PM

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actually having a real defogger lol

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:14 PM

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Whatev

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:14 PM

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yh

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:14 PM

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U get the idea

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:14 PM

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yh

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zam is not too sus with mag + vile

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and bro

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rain is

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hum

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alright kek

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might do something like punishment for manaphy tho

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you have bro for lucha after all

worthy pulsar Mar 2, 2023, 8:16 PM

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@naive stump Was also curious what you think of my other Gen 7 OU team: https://pokepast.es/09552db7123f534b

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:16 PM

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Torn bulu bro should be fine

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:17 PM

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maybe

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need to test

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but should be fine

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vile will def do all the job kek

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anw, I think it's a fine structure for camel vile shit

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:18 PM

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Grass knot torn

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How heavy is mana

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Grass knot seems cool for gastro and mana

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:18 PM

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oh

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wait this is genius

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z-grass tornadus

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:18 PM

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Exactly

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We have no z users

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I was gonna do z mage but then had a brain explosion

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:19 PM

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0 SpA Tornadus-Therian Bloom Doom (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Rotom-Wash: 236-278 (77.6 - 91.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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this is really nice

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you can have bulk on torn then

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:20 PM

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Do you even need max speed

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:20 PM

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worthy pulsar <@1027533660901081089> Was also curious what you think of my other Gen 7 OU team...

I dont understand at all this team

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:20 PM

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I dont think you need max speed

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:20 PM

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hum

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taunt torn here or not?

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main speed tier of my torn are

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358 for serp

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:20 PM

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Nah i was just gonna do u turn defog

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:20 PM

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361 for zone

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362 for azelf lead kek

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yh, then can go either serp/zone

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:21 PM

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Is serp 358 or do you get to 358

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:21 PM

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nah, serp is 357

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:21 PM

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Okay then can you calc

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64 spa bloom doom on mana

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:21 PM

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64 SpA Tornadus-Therian Bloom Doom (160 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 264-312 (65.5 - 77.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:22 PM

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Decent

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:22 PM

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yh

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a roll

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hurri into z-grass

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sounds fine then

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:23 PM

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https://pokepast.es/10690dfb63ae9df1

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:23 PM

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naive stump I dont understand at all this team

like, latios + gren/zone is a decent core, but I dont get why there's a koko screens here

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ask zerkas for my camel spread

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252 Atk Choice Band Kartana Leaf Blade vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Rindo Berry Slowbro in Grassy Terrain: 286-337 (72.7 - 85.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

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ok, this is cool

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flame would be funny in that case

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but ibeam for ground is prob needed

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:25 PM

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I think twave for charx is more valuable

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:25 PM

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yh, def

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:25 PM

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And ice beam for lando ohko

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:26 PM

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its more for garchomp tbh

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looks fine for the rest

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maybe protect instead of synthesis for rain MU

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and waste weather

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:27 PM

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Oh ye rindo bro also works against chary trying to solar beam

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Thats really neat

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:28 PM

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yh lol

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keep the squad

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next week for tbc

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:28 PM

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I will

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:28 PM

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theme would either bro or eject button

tropic schooner Mar 2, 2023, 8:28 PM

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Oh ye you were talking about doing bro theme

naive stump Mar 2, 2023, 8:28 PM

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yh

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funny poke

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will do a poll during vote phase anw to decide

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fuck grass-spam for this week

restive sphinx Mar 2, 2023, 8:51 PM

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medicham team Gen 3 OU
https://pokepast.es/731e62dc58b38b8a

karmic geyserBOT Mar 2, 2023, 8:51 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gritty scaffold Mar 2, 2023, 9:12 PM

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Ive tried building around lax on ADV https://pokepast.es/440f789eb12dc499

karmic geyserBOT Mar 2, 2023, 9:30 PM

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New OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

short hedge Mar 2, 2023, 9:36 PM

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whats the purpose of trick zong?

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trick room

short hedge Mar 2, 2023, 10:37 PM

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can you give me an example

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I just dont see it fitting on the team tbf

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yeah fair, i personally think aside from helping out your slow ttar and it setting up trick room for itself i don't know how i feel about it since the rest of your team has speed.

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like for example if you replace bronzong with LO agility gross it accomplishes the same thing aside from providing ground immunity

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if you go with metagross it might be ideal to make other changes

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what do you have emp for mainly?

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so swampert i think should go because azelf is already your rocker, rotom and latias or not bad choices

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uh, you could but I like Heatrans potential for this team

flat shale Mar 3, 2023, 12:33 AM

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Gen 7 OU https://pokepast.es/f0fe59e4298ee317

karmic geyserBOT Mar 3, 2023, 12:33 AM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie, @naive stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

polar nacelle Mar 3, 2023, 12:50 AM

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restive sphinx medicham team Gen 3 OU https://pokepast.es/731e62dc58b38b8a

Whats the swellow there for

restive sphinx Mar 3, 2023, 12:50 AM

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polar nacelle Whats the swellow there for

Recommend on smogon analysis

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It’s ass though

polar nacelle Mar 3, 2023, 12:51 AM

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Smogon analyses arent updated for BL mons

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Medicham mag celebi pert are fine

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Cloy and swellow not rly

restive sphinx Mar 3, 2023, 12:52 AM

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polar nacelle Cloy and swellow not rly

Any suggestions over them then

polar nacelle Mar 3, 2023, 12:52 AM

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For a start u can look at McMeghan's medicham team which looks pretty similar

restive sphinx Mar 3, 2023, 12:53 AM

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polar nacelle For a start u can look at McMeghan's medicham team which looks pretty similar

Idk who what is

polar nacelle Mar 3, 2023, 12:54 AM

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Good player. Let me see if i can find a replay for u

flat shale Mar 3, 2023, 2:18 AM

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Im in Gen 7 OU whats the best mega gyarados check?

flat shale Mar 3, 2023, 2:36 AM

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help! (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

hazy grotto Mar 3, 2023, 3:17 AM

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flat shale Im in Gen 7 OU whats the best mega gyarados check?

Quagsire 😎

leaden fiber Mar 3, 2023, 3:20 AM

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pwhip be like

hazy grotto Mar 3, 2023, 3:20 AM

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leaden fiber pwhip be like

Zapdos

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😎

leaden fiber Mar 3, 2023, 3:20 AM

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probably dead to +1 after rocks?

hazy grotto Mar 3, 2023, 3:20 AM

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just don’t die

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Shrug

flat shale Mar 3, 2023, 4:40 AM

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hazy grotto Quagsire 😎

picardia

balmy willow Mar 3, 2023, 5:03 AM

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SS OU https://pokepast.es/6e2fce629f740b23

karmic geyserBOT Mar 3, 2023, 5:03 AM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

balmy willow Mar 3, 2023, 5:03 AM

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attempt at HO

orchid tiger Mar 3, 2023, 5:04 AM

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This does not look like ho at all it’s just closer to some weird bo/balance with a random milo

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Ho is much aggressive play style with little back bone and wanting to overwhelm a bunch of stuff

balmy willow Mar 3, 2023, 5:05 AM

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👍

balmy willow Mar 3, 2023, 5:07 AM

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orchid tiger This does not look like ho at all it’s just closer to some weird bo/balance with...

the milo is for anti defog

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kinda gimmicky ik but i felt like it would be good to have around

orchid tiger Mar 3, 2023, 5:08 AM

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You want anti defog you got much better options like gapdos and bish

balmy willow Mar 3, 2023, 5:08 AM

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hm i guess thats true

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ill swap it out for bisharp ig

orchid tiger Mar 3, 2023, 5:19 AM

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Even then if you are trying for ho it needs a massive rework

leaden fiber Mar 3, 2023, 5:22 AM

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Yeah ur sets are not good and the weird offensive pex isnt going to do anything

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the only HO mon on this entire team is the pult

naive stump Mar 3, 2023, 5:38 AM

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flat shale Gen 7 OU https://pokepast.es/f0fe59e4298ee317

I dont get too much why there's a zygarde + bisharp in this build. Neither why you have slowbro AND reuniclus here.

hasty ingot Mar 3, 2023, 5:39 AM

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blace can be a good ho mon, but usually with scarf

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that pult set is not great, dd pult iirc usually runs life orb + dd/phantom/darts/fire blast

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on HO

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rest of the mons gotta go lmao

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lando can work as a dedicated lead, but mew usually is the better choice

naive stump Mar 3, 2023, 5:40 AM

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Atm, you're very weak to lele specs that click moonblast, and even alakazam is not even funny here. I would also say that your extremely weak to Volcarona, one QD and the team simply lose.

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Moreover, lack of rocks is very suspect in any squad

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And the set of gliscor is completly useless: right now, gliscor is no able to check obvious threats such as Heatran

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Oh, and, finally, gren click dark pulse and kill everything

rugged fossil Mar 3, 2023, 5:44 AM

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Hello kaiser

naive stump Mar 3, 2023, 5:44 AM

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Explain me later what was the purpose of the team, in that case, I can help you to improve the squad

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Yo

rugged fossil Mar 3, 2023, 5:44 AM

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Does German have discord

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They still didn’t verify me in sm discord 😭

naive stump Mar 3, 2023, 5:45 AM

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Just wait

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You can ping later clementine tomorrow if you're still not verify

rugged fossil Mar 3, 2023, 5:46 AM

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Alright

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My first match today is vs a random

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Shit player I think

hazy grotto Mar 3, 2023, 5:52 AM

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https://pokepast.es/a5e71abd4059f2ab @naive stump

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I was thinking of making koko z

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And rotom leftovers

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this is the first team I made

naive stump Mar 3, 2023, 6:05 AM

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hazy grotto https://pokepast.es/a5e71abd4059f2ab <@1027533660901081089>

Ping me later please, but I really like structure

hazy grotto Mar 3, 2023, 7:03 AM

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@naive stump

naive stump Mar 3, 2023, 7:11 AM

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hazy grotto https://pokepast.es/a5e71abd4059f2ab <@1027533660901081089>

I like the team that way tbh

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I think z-water rotom is important here because ground such as gliscor looks like quite annoying overall here

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Might put more speed on it tho

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Like, at least, outspeed heatran modest

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Another tech I like here is Nature Madness on Tapu Koko

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You Snipe for a nice half of their life ground, ferro and mag trying to take dazzling gleam

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Another idea I have is to make the Zard-x 3A + DD

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Eq dclaw fblitz DD

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Then put instead of knock off, Healing wish on clefable

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That way you can break with zard-x very earlier and have a second shot with healing wish

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Also, not sure what is the purpose of the spread on clef

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But I think you can lower the spdef invest on it

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Maybe enough to take hpump from gren

rugged fossil Mar 3, 2023, 7:19 AM

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https://pokepast.es/b883ec3adf8b8cc6

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@naive stump do u think this would do in today match

naive stump Mar 3, 2023, 7:24 AM

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rugged fossil https://pokepast.es/b883ec3adf8b8cc6

Meh

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Without Manaphy, rain will really have a shitty time against stall and fat

rugged fossil Mar 3, 2023, 7:24 AM

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Hmm

naive stump Mar 3, 2023, 7:25 AM

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Zapdos is fine but much more bulky

rugged fossil Mar 3, 2023, 7:25 AM

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naive stump Zapdos is fine but much more bulky

Rephrase

naive stump Mar 3, 2023, 7:25 AM

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Like I said

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Bold is prob better here

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Or just tornadus

rugged fossil Mar 3, 2023, 7:26 AM

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naive stump Bold is prob better here

I see

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Tornadus for zap

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And then manaphy for

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Kingdra

rugged fossil Mar 3, 2023, 7:28 AM

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naive stump Or just tornadus

Suggest ev spread for manaohy

naive stump Mar 3, 2023, 7:28 AM

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rugged fossil Kingdra

Yh

naive stump Mar 3, 2023, 7:28 AM

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rugged fossil Suggest ev spread for manaohy

Just take the one from rain sample

rugged fossil Mar 3, 2023, 7:28 AM

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2 spee ?

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20 spee

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248 hp remaining spa

#Old Gens OU