Old Gens OU

[leaden fiber]

You could also do colbur bro

[leaden gate]

worked out well for me idk

i just love special tini

[leaden fiber]

I think it's really hard to argue against the

180 bp move

[leaden gate]

fair

[upper plume]

Common zerkas throw

[rain pine]

Who rates sm ou?

[leaden fiber]

I can take a look for u

[rain pine]

Alr

https://pokepast.es/300b47f7cf1d7517

My spinoff rain team bc I didn't want to use the far too popular mega Pert ferro core

I posted it with far more detail in the smogon website rmt if you wanna take a look at that

[tropic schooner]

Mega blastoise is the worst mega

Just use mega pert

Like theres no point in not

[leaden fiber]

okay mtoise is not actually terrible but yeah not on rain

and the rest of the sets here are

to say the least

questionable

[tropic schooner]

This loses to stall and balance pretty hard

[rain pine]

Needed a spinner over a defogger

[tropic schooner]

No manaphy is like

??

[leaden fiber]

no manaphy + the mons you have means u loses instantly to the rare but good gastrodon

[rain pine]

Could put power whip on sies

[leaden fiber]

ur still running a seismitoad over any of the other better sswimmers

[tropic schooner]

Rain isnt anything to be expanded upon aside from changing 1 or 2 mons

Sadly

[rain pine]

Sigh

[leaden fiber]

252+ SpA Seismitoad Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 232+ SpD Ferrothorn: 144-170 (40.9 - 48.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

btw

[rain pine]

I tried lol

[tropic schooner]

Its fine you live and learn

[rain pine]

Guess I better go back to the mega pert ferro core

[tropic schooner]

I also bet even tho you have double steel this loses to psyspam

[leaden fiber]

it loses to most things

[rain pine]

Thx for roasting my team to shock me back to my senses haha

[tropic schooner]

np

[leaden fiber]

i still cant get over

yellow glimmer

when green zerkas

actually

[tropic schooner]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 112 HP / 44 SpD Scizor in Psychic Terrain: 207-243 (66.9 - 78.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Skarmory in Psychic Terrain: 242-285 (72.4 - 85.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

lele moment

[leaden fiber]

never hopefully

i dont want

[raw hornet]

What's the best between close combat and Earthquake for mega pinsir?

In this team

https://pokepast.es/3111d72cc9dba160

[gritty scaffold]

I feel like close combat consirering u have lando already

[obtuse prawn]

https://pokepast.es/7bdb1a6886000492

[obtuse prawn]

rmt?

@tropic schooner

can u rate?

sorry for ping

i just wanted to know if tnadus suits that role

working pretty well till now for countering kartana

[tropic schooner]

it works as long as you dont let it drop low

[obtuse prawn]

ah

so overall the team is ok?

like no horrible weaknesses right

[tropic schooner]

rain can be a problem but thats a thing for all stall

[night eagle]

I run

Hp and def

With enoigh speed investments for outspeeding pex

Cm , thunder , psyshock , recover

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-1795065085-mvzbztqnebk5d0a50792rkutb0zjudqpw

[obtuse prawn]

ah

alright

[rain pine]

If that guy knew how Roost worked and earthquaked with pert on skarm that could have gone much differently

[gritty scaffold]

tried doing another bw sand team ive wanted to try use tangrowth but yea i wanna know what i should change here https://pokepast.es/6d2eb56e20634892

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @dull socket, @short hedge, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dull socket]

@obtuse prairie I've stepped away from BWOU tutor and would like to do so as rater here if you can remove my role pls and ty, ly fren

[obtuse prairie]

will do

rip links

[obtuse prawn]

@night eagle

im at 1715

:p

[obtuse prawn]

1728

#24

[obtuse prawn]

1803

lmao

top 10

[raw hornet]

What's your showdown name?

[night eagle]

W

[obtuse prawn]

WaltWeNeedToCook

[opal beacon]

are u very sure?

band weav beat up is very strong

[silver reef]

Its more of a nouveux thing where historically ppl need pursuit on cb weavile

But yea u either drop pursuit or shard for beat up and it is strong especially if u run into like dark resist tapu fini or magearna

[opal beacon]

u need a dark type to trap latias in sm ou

pursuit trapper

thats where weav or ttar come

pursuit weav is op

its usually band with knock, shard, crash, pursuit

beat up tho rare if u are able to fit works like a charm

[night eagle]

Lives 6x beat up hits from banded weavile

Just checked

[rain pine]

0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (117 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 306-360 (108.8 - 128.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

just thought of running some of my own calcs lol

[tropic schooner]

Thats normal

Itd be bad if that didnt happen

[rain pine]

further reason to use ferro over skarm ig

[raw hornet]

Yes but it's not useful since weavile isn't played with beat up

[silver reef]

what makes you say that

its viable

[halcyon canyon]

can someone rate my team Gen 8 OU?

https://pokepast.es/571913290e15361f

[raw hornet]

I don't know I never see that move and I also know that it is not because a move isn't often played that it is not good

And also maybe because I'm at low ladder so I don't see that move in SM OU

[obtuse prawn]

beat up is only used in gen 8

(mostly)

that is like one of the rarest things in gen 7

weavile itself is rare

[raw hornet]

Yes

Beat up was good in gen 8 because weavile lost koff before pokemon home

[radiant silo]

https://pokepast.es/671ed2e6c336eac3 Gen 6 OU

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

U are extremly weak to weavile

and cm lati with ice beam

and charizard?

and almost everything

just scarp it

[sonic dust]

Someone feedback about this one?

https://pokepast.es/2ae397a3ebed1383

DPP OU

[sonic dust]

@short hedge

[short hedge]

got u in 15 mins

[sonic dust]

Oke

[short hedge]

cool team! I like claydol as a starter but I would go lum berry on metagross, i would not lead with claydol and I would lead with an anti lead gyarados (only thing you need to change is go stone edge > bounce)

run these evs on zone: Magnezone @ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 32 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 220 Spe
Modest Nature

• Magnet Rise
• Thunderbolt
• Hidden Power Fire
• Thunder Wave

[leaden fiber]

this is not good claydol is unviable scarftar fits usually on stall and then the rest of the sets are just questionable

[short hedge]

harsh, I could see the whole team working. claydol is viable its just not preferred

[leaden fiber]

scarftar feels like setup fodder to just get counter swept

[short hedge]

i can agree to that, i don't think ttar provides much aside from some speed control, but I think you need better speed control, like scarf rotom or scarf rachi to take care of dragon dancers

[sonic dust]

I c

Ty

Ill do those changes

[sonic dust]

And what pokemon should i change for that?

[short hedge]

jirachi / rotom scarf > ttar

[sonic dust]

Okey

[short hedge]

so jirachi with iron head, ice punch, thunder punch, trick / uturn

[sonic dust]

uturn looks better

[short hedge]

yup

[leaden fiber]

I like scarf luc on these things

but thats just me

[sonic dust]

Also uh, you said to lead to gross or with gyarados

Because i want to do a late game agiligross sweep

After all steel annoying Pokemon are gone

[leaden fiber]

Also, andviet, why stone edge as opposed to ice fang here

[sonic dust]

(yeah, kinda curious

Because you see

Even if IS dos lead

You arent going to do anything to it

[gritty scaffold]

https://pokepast.es/d6ce26fdc6d5b2d0 gen 5

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

i kinda tried building a team around hippo and tangrowth if i can make the team better i am open for tips

[upper plume]

I hope you have something figured out for latios

Or zam

And I don't have my reun calcs off the top of my head but probably that as well

[gritty scaffold]

Oo yea

Mayb i could use scizor to threaten although he mayb dies to those psycic fellas aswell starmie

But then ill prob have poor matchup agaisnt rain if i dont use jellicent

[obtuse prawn]

https://pokepast.es/be699aaf76f04adc

gen 7

[leaden fiber]

feels like weird pace mismatch

but

[obtuse prawn]

hmm

[leaden fiber]

overall looks mostllly fine?

[obtuse prawn]

alright

just wondering if

any weaknesses

since this team peaked #1 like a few years ago it seems lol

[leaden fiber]

i mean

ur kinda weak to maw

but all fat is weak to maw

and psychics r terrifying but if you can pursuit + sand + hazards its mostly okay

[obtuse prawn]

yeaa

[obtuse prawn]

Cool

if they hit fblasts on boost though

im mostly dead

although i can powerful eq with lando

since its faster than most

(m alakazam too)

[leaden fiber]

its hard yeah

but if lele locks into psychic to hit pex

u can pursuit it for loads

[obtuse prawn]

yeaa

thats true

cm lele is also handled

by lando again

and even torn

so i guess its alright

[leaden fiber]

cm lele is an unset

[obtuse prawn]

people run them though

[night eagle]

https://pokepast.es/66b6938ad9b826fd

[tropic schooner]

V create>flare blitz

Always

[night eagle]

Ye I did that

[obtuse prawn]

https://pokepast.es/d18caf8878e43df3

[tropic schooner]

https://pokepast.es/789afbfa0bdfea21

@polar nacelle ik blazi isnt that good but

[leaden fiber]

wtf

U has spikeless jolt :,(

[tropic schooner]

look

i had spikes

then plush was like

u lose to celebi

[leaden fiber]

U still lose to celebi

[tropic schooner]

at least i have lax

[leaden fiber]

U have ttar

lax needs to boom to do anything

[tropic schooner]

that lax has boom

[leaden fiber]

Ya but u are forced to boom lax infront of a celebi

I think u need

[tropic schooner]

mence

[leaden fiber]

Like more offensive backbone

And a better blaziken set

[tropic schooner]

mence over cune

dude im just using analysis set

dont blame me

[raw hornet]

Is alolan muk good in SM OU

Is it viable?

[leaden fiber]

It id

viable

Suits lele and mzam

[raw hornet]

Nice

I'm gonna build a team with it

[tropic schooner]

viable meaning like c tier

[leaden fiber]

Have fun

[raw hornet]

Oh

[tropic schooner]

c+/c

[leaden fiber]

Yeah well what tier is mcamel glimmer

[tropic schooner]

mcamel is better than alomuk

mcamel is just c+

[leaden fiber]

What

Incredible

[raw hornet]

Is there another pokemon that has a good niche in SM OU

[tropic schooner]

metagross

[leaden fiber]

glimmer i think u

[raw hornet]

What's his niche

[leaden fiber]

embrace jolt spikes

[tropic schooner]

same thing as amuk but hes better cuz fills more roles

hf

[raw hornet]

What's his role a Pursuit trapper?

[leaden fiber]

Ye

[tropic schooner]

steel that butchers mzam lele mlati

[raw hornet]

Pretty nice

[tropic schooner]

also has an offensive presence

[leaden fiber]

glimmer imo best ken set is focus fire ice tox

lefties

w cbtar forms a nice core

[tropic schooner]

https://pokepast.es/b28b217654e22ce8

[leaden fiber]

That looks better

[raw hornet]

What's the set for metagross

Band?

[tropic schooner]

assault vest

meteor mash eq pursuit +1

[raw hornet]

Bullet Punch maybe

[tropic schooner]

+1 can be one of thunder punch zen headbutt ice punch bullet punch explosion

[leaden fiber]

U kinda lose to offcune

[raw hornet]

Ice Punch can be cool

On the switch it can kill lando

[tropic schooner]

cloy 👍

[raw hornet]

Do you have the set?

Like precisely with the spread and all

[tropic schooner]

ive never used it myself

[gritty scaffold]

How mega ttar is higher than normal

Isnt normal better bc u can run some items that would help like lefties

[tropic schooner]

megas sheer bulk and not being locked to stone edge while being stronger makes it better

[gritty scaffold]

Oh

[tropic schooner]

you should realistically only run normal ttar in somewhere you want ttar when you dont have mega ttar

[gritty scaffold]

Makes sense

[radiant silo]

Hows my team? Gen 6 OU

[sonic dust]

kinda weak to subsglare serperior

and weavile banded kinda feels hard to deal with

appart for that cool

[raw hornet]

I'm gonna try building around diancie mega slowbro mega reuniclus and ditto

And scizor mega

[tropic schooner]

Ditto is a stall thing fyi

[raw hornet]

Hmm

Maybe the others not ditto

[gritty scaffold]

https://pokepast.es/de6fd02f168197e9 gen 5

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

ive tried changing exca to sp def so it can survive more to remove hazards

and added scizor to help against psycic types ps: alr im trying somethin new

[polar nacelle]

my recommendation is that with blaziken u should use overheat to get the ko vs a faster bulkless zap when you get into range of blaze

and i think u prob dont want cbtar there, ddtar feels like it could be a better fit

but its still borderline okay

the major issue is that ur essentially fully grounded so u just lose to a bunch of fighters

i think having mixmence > jolt is prob ok

and use like modest crocune in place of the boldcune u have over there

boldroarcune usually has no place in such a team

at worst, boldcrocune, but definitely not bold roarcune

you not only get damaged by sand but u also have no easy way of getting rid of spikes

u would prob also want a standard offensive lax set

generally it seems like ur trying to create a balance team out of a team that shouldnt be balance bc it has no way to sustain itself

ur two resters are too easily exploitable bc u dont have skarm removal, and u have sand, and ur using passive sets

all this is a recipe for resters that get killed b4 they even wake up

ur cbtar will also easily die at some point with no lefties and u dont have anything keeping it alive as well

u either need to slow the pace of everything down or bring everything up

and seeing as ur using blaziken it means prob u need to bring everything up

[tropic schooner]

This is the offensive crocune set right?

Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 240 HP / 252 SpA / 16 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Surf
• Rest
• Sleep Talk

[leaden fiber]

Ya

[tropic schooner]

ttps://pokepast.es/53376849fa0b11d3

[leaden fiber]

nice one

@tropic schooner

[tropic schooner]

Wdym

[leaden fiber]

fail

!

[tropic schooner]

I didnt link properly on purpose

Cuz

Chatot

Might ping

[leaden fiber]

Who is

chatot

[tropic schooner]

The bot

That pings when rmt links are sent

[leaden fiber]

@karmic geyser ?

Oh

[tropic schooner]

Yes

[leaden fiber]

I see

[raw hornet]

Is it possible to build a team with slowbro M in it

What would be the best pokemon to go with slowbro m

[raw hornet]

Is it viable?

[tropic schooner]

Yea its pretty good

Bulky offense and balance appreciate mbro

[raw hornet]

Nice

What pokemon goes well with mslowbro

[tropic schooner]

just get shit to deal with weav ttar koko etc on your defensive backbone and have your own fighters if you wanna use fsight

[radiant silo]

https://pokepast.es/b5d3edee7c32bdd7 Gen 6 OU?

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[uneven dome]

https://pokepast.es/3160bd5d586b5680 swsh ou team

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge, @grizzled harness. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tropic schooner]

https://pokepast.es/d5c6866809996947 @obtuse prairie havent had many issues with the team yet but wanted to get it rated for possible improvements

[gritty scaffold]

https://pokepast.es/6f54a631fb2d3890 ive done a sun team for bw ou not sure if i need to change something here mayb ill have bad matchup to rain not sure though

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[obtuse prairie]

a very weird selection to say the least

idk how you'd call it semi stall tho its rain with a chansey

[tropic schooner]

It is a weird structure but it has worked

[tropic schooner]

I didnt know what to call it ill be honest

Its a weird playstyle so

[obtuse prairie]

rain with a chansey

it still has the general offense elements just a chansey randomly

also funny to call it mana semi stall and not use rest mana

whats the chansey for?

[tropic schooner]

Ferro and skarm sometimes just dont cut it vs mzam

[obtuse prairie]

why not mage atp

[tropic schooner]

Hrm

Maybe split swap mage and like

[leaden fiber]

why taunt > ww on skarm?

[tropic schooner]

Torn instead of skarm and make pert rocks?

[tropic schooner]

Taunt actually stops rocks from going up

[leaden fiber]

Oh

[tropic schooner]

Defogger being peli can be unreliable

[leaden fiber]

tru

[tropic schooner]

Anyways i will try mage

[obtuse prairie]

you could also go ferro over mana or gren

solid water resist is always good

[tropic schooner]

Chansey is half a water resist and i guess rest mana would kindaaa work

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/a34f258758afd454 swsh OU attempt at hail team

the corv is impish btw

[neon raptor]

https://pokepast.es/209768b25f1d7f4f
SS OU

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge, @grizzled harness. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[neon raptor]

Defog Zap feels like cope, but I wanted more para.

[rugged fossil]

Hmm

[radiant silo]

https://pokepast.es/a10b81231076efcc Gen 6 OU?

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[short hedge]

team looks cool, i think you have no switchins to blacephalon. which could be problematic. i would say you can go ttar > lando to deal with it but I like the team for the most part. I could also see sun teams being an issue but they're pretty uncommon

[gritty scaffold]

Does bdsp count as old gen? but yea ive made this team https://pokepast.es/36d5378fe1ad86b5

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @cyan ether, @peak canyon, @hasty ingot, @strong frigate. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[leaden fiber]

@upper plume

[upper plume]

what's up

[peak canyon]

yes it does

[upper plume]

ooh bdsp

[gritty scaffold]

oh cool

[hasty ingot]

If I remember correctly, sub Mamo runs icicle plate

[upper plume]

I'll let yall handle this

[gritty scaffold]

oh alr then imma change it

[hasty ingot]

Or whatever the ice one is

[upper plume]

gotta work on hw

[leaden fiber]

Y'all love bdsp or smth

[peak canyon]

aight so

[leaden fiber]

Kek

[hasty ingot]

Never melt ice

[upper plume]

ye it's nmi^

[cyan ether]

that gatr is not a thing

[gritty scaffold]

oh

[peak canyon]

• modest gatr is not a set

like at all

[cyan ether]

run dd

[gritty scaffold]

thought special gatr is viable

[upper plume]

yeah you click dd with it

[gritty scaffold]

alr then imma go physical

[upper plume]

if you want viable water types on the special side you go blastoise

[peak canyon]

gatr likes to run dragon dance waterfall ice fang crunch

[hasty ingot]

Some gatr sets were running ice beam over ice punch with a bit of investment for tang but you never go full special yeh

[cyan ether]

ice punch*

[neon raptor]

Going TTar > Lando means I lose to most electrics.

[gritty scaffold]

oo i see

[cyan ether]

ye i invented that

[hasty ingot]

Oh did you

[peak canyon]

wait didnt i do that

im pretty sure i put ice beam on gatr and naughty

i did 4 evs tho

i never invested

[upper plume]

what's the 40 speed on tran for?

[gritty scaffold]

oh i just followed the set lol

[peak canyon]

i dont like sub tran btw

[gritty scaffold]

that i found

[short hedge]

lose to most electrics? lol you have dpult that resists electric, you have no answers for blace

[gritty scaffold]

of defensive tran

[peak canyon]

lik
its taunt already

[gritty scaffold]

i just kinda thought weird on running payback

[upper plume]

yeah sub + taunt seems weird

[peak canyon]

not the best move either

[short hedge]

its not a hard suggestion take it as you will

[peak canyon]

but payback makes sense

bc 2hkoes latias

[gritty scaffold]

oh it does?

[peak canyon]

since its 120 bp

[gritty scaffold]

even with negative nature

oo

[peak canyon]

ye

[upper plume]

I want to say dark pulse but that's some had sweep shit

[peak canyon]

dark pulse is worse

like

[gritty scaffold]

lati will just set up

[peak canyon]

it does the same as payback at +0

[gritty scaffold]

although taunt

[peak canyon]

if latias uses cmind

you just lose

[neon raptor]

No I lose to electrics because I wouldn’t have a volt immune. /nm

[peak canyon]

you can taunt tias but

she can go to +1

anyway

like you gain nothing from dpulse

[gritty scaffold]

yea

[peak canyon]

you deal maybe

more to starmie?

[gritty scaffold]

alr so anything else or is just solid the team ig

[peak canyon]

if you ever manage to hit it LOL

[gritty scaffold]

ive changed alr the gatr and tran aswell mamo

[peak canyon]

i dont see a stall wincon here

and scizor put as the defogger as random

doesnt work against hstack

gliscor/skarm/whatever just snoozes on you anyway

[upper plume]

yeah you'll want some solid wall breaking

or stall breaking rather

[peak canyon]

you only have fera and magmataunt for stall

basically

[upper plume]

cuz poliwrath will just scald burn ur mamo and clef/tang will ignore your boosts

[gritty scaffold]

oh

[peak canyon]

the funny thing is

[gritty scaffold]

mayb spin starmie?

[peak canyon]

beam fera can fuck up tang

but doesnt fuck up celebi

or shaymin

you can crunch celebi

[gritty scaffold]

but celebi can kill back

[peak canyon]

but you cant do shit to shaymin anyway

i love bdsp grasses that can beat breloom's ass

[upper plume]

shaymin is unbreakable for waters

[leaden fiber]

Bdsp Should unban Skymin

[peak canyon]

they work

they simply work

[gritty scaffold]

i was thinkin to use then starmie

instead of scizor

[peak canyon]

i mean my tip here is to figure out the type of team you want

bc usually fera builds are offensive as fuck

[gritty scaffold]

im kinda trying to go with balance

[peak canyon]

and have a hwisher or two

balance is mmm

grab a slowbro

so you never die to lucario offense

[upper plume]

yeah balance typically runs bulkier ground

[gritty scaffold]

oh alr

like gliscor

[peak canyon]

balance has like

[upper plume]

gliscor, garchomp, or hippowdon

[peak canyon]

1 wincon and the rest is just fat

and usually some form of hazard stacking

not only rocks but spikes or tspikes if you can

roserade is nice if you wanna go that route

and a core like rose slowbro heatran do a nice fwg core that you can start the build from

[gritty scaffold]

yea alr ill see what i can do

[peak canyon]

from there, ground immunity, defogger, etc

[gritty scaffold]

ty still for tellin abt bdsp

[peak canyon]

np

im impressed i can still actually rate teams

LMAO

[upper plume]

I kept you fresh during the dark ages

with that tyranitar team

[peak canyon]

not that tyranitar...

[upper plume]

https://tenor.com/view/larvitar-happy-tyrannatar-pokemon-baby-gif-8364365

kinda surprised that smogon doesn't have a tar emote

[gritty scaffold]

the goat

[peak canyon]

I LOVE THIS GIF SO MUCH

THE LITTLE GUY

[upper plume]

also lalaya

[peak canyon]

that larvitar knows one day it will kick your ass to the paleozoic

[upper plume]

I sent a fixed chall command for ubers in the bdsp server

pls update it

[peak canyon]

i will

eventually

pay me 10 smogcoin

[upper plume]

me when broke college student

[peak canyon]

sorry i will reclaim your liver as payment

[rocky mountain]

hmm maybe here someone can answer me. is there a discord or channel actually active in gen 3 ou?

[upper plume]

besides the adv server?

[rocky mountain]

what server is that

i’m literally fishing in the dark. only found out showdown existed a couple days ago, now looking for activity in the only category i give a shit about

[upper plume]

the past gen server for adv

[rocky mountain]

gen 3 ou

is that a separate discord? can you provide it?

would be extremely appreciated

[upper plume]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/adv-discord-server.3696760/

[leaden fiber]

I can answer adv questions.

[rocky mountain]

okay i see that there’s a whole process to get into the goddamn discord

look

[leaden fiber]

Basically

The reason for that

[rocky mountain]

im not gonna bother unless it’s actually active

is it?

that’s what i wanna know

[leaden fiber]

Is that there is this one infamous user

who made a bunch of alts

and doxxed everyone in the server

and sent out a bunch of death threats

so there's verification now...

[rocky mountain]

no no that’s fine

[leaden fiber]

but the server is fairly active

[rocky mountain]

don’t care why it’s in place, just want to know if it’s worth it

[leaden fiber]

People will respond, yeah

[rocky mountain]

because right now im learning blind by playing matches

[leaden fiber]

There are resources on the forums, as well

[rocky mountain]

done a good 500 matches and learned a lot but idk how much more i can learn blind

and idk if it’s worth the effort cuz it’s hard to actually tell how active the ladder is

[leaden fiber]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/adv-beginners-lounge-rules-faq-resources-question-answer.3687817/

[rocky mountain]

you feel me?

[leaden fiber]

The ladder is pretty activate higher up

active*

[rocky mountain]

what does ADV mean? does that mean gen 3 OU

[leaden fiber]

Low ladder is just gimmicky

[upper plume]

kinda insane how many resources there are for adv

adv = gen 3

[rocky mountain]

i understand the tiers but

[leaden fiber]

adv is just gen 3 yeah

its just an acronym

[rocky mountain]

thanks that clears things up

[upper plume]

adv -> game boy advanced

[rocky mountain]

and yes gimmicky yes i see a lot of 1000 leading and sweeping with the dumbest shit fathomable yes

on the other hand, im discouraged by the fact it seems to be the case you have about 15 pokémon to use and if you don’t use them you’re mathematically fucked because there are no new tricks to surprises to the 1500+ elo people

not saying i should be able to run a weedle in OU but you get what im saying

[leaden fiber]

That's every metagame, realistically

[rocky mountain]

so basically i need to make a smogon account and then post a screenshot or some shit

[upper plume]

yep

there are other servers that don't have verification

[leaden fiber]

Yeah, creating a smogon account also lets you get into tournaments and such

[upper plume]

bkc's doesn't I think

[gritty scaffold]

i always thought ppl would just say rse

like each gen they say with the games

[upper plume]

I don't question why people say things for a tier I'm not qualified to talk about

[gritty scaffold]

yea

its just funny

[rocky mountain]

yea i know but i really like fun teams over sweat teams, i’ve been running a physical jirachi that 1 hits tyranitar with dynamic punch for example lol but yeah i can either pick a lane of fun or sweat i get it

[leaden fiber]

Dpunch is

"offmeta" but not bad

infact one of my fav teams has that

[rocky mountain]

let me ask this

wtf am i supposed to do to the people leading the swords dance baton pass celebi? not 1 hittable by anything it seems like, and they have an entire team dedicated to pulling off the pass and once it’s done you just lose. i don’t understand why there’s still seemingly unwinnable gimmicks in the mid tiers

like 1400s

[leaden fiber]

u shouldnt lose to

a +2 gyarados or aerodactyl immediately

if ur team is good

[upper plume]

I would say "and that's where this channel's purpose comes into play"

but if you posted ur team here

I wouldn't be able to help

maybe zerkas could but he's not a rater

[leaden fiber]

luckily I am here, no?

Why U doubt me grabby >:(

[upper plume]

if you believe you can go for it

[rocky mountain]

not so much lose to, more like be put at a massive disadvantage

i’ve knocked some of the top 100 down off the leaderboard a couple of times but not been past 1500

[leaden fiber]

What team are you using?

I find certain teams work better for certain parts of ladder

[rocky mountain]

it’s not teams of metas i have issues with it’s gimmicks

[leaden fiber]

That's not a gimmick

SD pass celebi is a sample team

[gritty scaffold]

i just dont like adv because i dont like baton pass

[rocky mountain]

i’ve used like 10 different teams to fuck around with but the main one i’ve played with for the last 24 hours uh

idk is there a simple way to post an entire team here?

[upper plume]

yep

[gritty scaffold]

u can do pokepaste

[upper plume]

at the bottom of the teambuilder

there's a button that says "Export to Pokepaste"

[rocky mountain]

let’s see

[upper plume]

like so

[rocky mountain]

Like this

https://pokepast.es/a087fd0584ef2faa

[gritty scaffold]

ye

[rocky mountain]

and again note that i didn’t know showdown existed until friday so

not claiming to be any god

just very familiar with and love gen 3

and really no other gen

[leaden fiber]

That is an interesting team

[rocky mountain]

the only info i can offer you is

there’s certain mons i just won’t use

[leaden fiber]

Sigh

[rocky mountain]

i’m sure you’ve heard that before

it’s not a lot

i just think blissey is omega cringe that’s all

[leaden fiber]

That's fine

[rocky mountain]

and i don’t want to run tar either

everything else i’ve kinda messed with

[leaden fiber]

This team is fixable

[upper plume]

considering tar is #1 that's a pretty big constraint

[leaden fiber]

It's not

[upper plume]

alright

let him cook

[leaden fiber]

tarless isnt the end of the world

[rocky mountain]

that’s why, i don’t think there’s anything interesting about you if you can rank a ladder using the top 6 metas

i’m interested in what i can pull off without tar or blissey

[leaden fiber]

The interesting innovation comes in

the small things

Like movesets / EVs / unseen combinations of mons

The "Let's use a UU mon" mindset is like, okay, but only if you think it can do something an ou mon cannot

[rocky mountain]

i think my biggest problem right now is a lead that is consistent

[upper plume]

dos is a good lead

[leaden fiber]

Zap is a fine lead, ye

i would

[rocky mountain]

jirachi has been a good lead it’s just that it’s not great when their lead is tar

my jirachi lead usually gives me the edge when they lead zap

[leaden fiber]

lead zap, make mence full mixmence (brick > wish)

[rocky mountain]

for example

[leaden fiber]

Fix lax EVs

Metagross >registeel

Change celebi set

[rocky mountain]

haven’t tried mixing mence… it’s already not THAT strong without boost

[upper plume]

does zapdos usually need 2 electric moves?

[leaden fiber]

No

drop thunder, take baton pass or twave

[upper plume]

you also have cm pass celebi

so if need be you can pass spa boosts to mence/dos

[rocky mountain]

my zap at +2 randomly will 2 hit blissey with tbolt into thunder lol i guess maybe my team has too much anti-blissey in mind

[leaden fiber]

It's not, but you can hit ttar for a lot stronger then any of your other moves

Most good teams won't let

Celebi get +2 and pass

[rocky mountain]

true, i understand. and i’ve never really used lax, just seemed like a stopgap

[leaden fiber]

Another way you can go about this team is making it zap with dugtrio, usually over probably rachi here

Lax is your check to

[rocky mountain]

i try to have 3 physical 3 special mons

innovative i know

[leaden fiber]

Nah

That's not really necessary

[leaden fiber]

pretty much every special mon

suicune and such

[rocky mountain]

well i imagine you can’t run a fully physical or fully special team no?

that i haven’t tried

[leaden fiber]

5 or 6 phys mons is fine

u cant run full special bc blissey exists

ttar, mence, meta, lax, magneton, swampert is a pretty common team

5 special and dugtrio is fine

[rocky mountain]

i’ve had a lot of success with bulky aggressive suicune running hp grass as well

[leaden fiber]

Especially on rain stuff

[rocky mountain]

but didn’t wanna run it with an already boosting celebi set

[leaden fiber]

No reason not to

adv may not have a lot of mon choice, but it has a crap ton of set choice

[rocky mountain]

i’m not running mag, tried it and it’s just too free for their inevitable dug. if you helped me build a team, it would have to have other answers for skarmory

actually beleive it or not

my registeel shits on skarmory with a +1 or +2 boost into focus punch. yeah they get spikes down but my team isn’t very spikes vulnerable idk

[leaden fiber]

Most of the time mag will trap skarm

and any team with snorlax is vulnerable to spikes

[rocky mountain]

i know but if they don’t have skarm it’s trash and if they do they almost always have dug for that reason

[leaden fiber]

not true

[rocky mountain]

i’m not invested in keeping lax i don’t really care

the mons i care about keeping are jirachi and zap probably

the rest are interchangeable

[leaden fiber]

I have a team

similar to this

[rocky mountain]

60% body slam para is just too good in so many situations. i don’t wanna forgo

[leaden fiber]

Let me find the past

patse*

I don't run body slam

But you could

One sec

[rocky mountain]

also- mixed jirachi spreading para and then randomly dropping thunder on skarm, after it looks like i’m only physical, is a gold mine

absolute gold mine

[leaden fiber]

https://pokepast.es/82e354e1c0f53afa

[rocky mountain]

only downside to my mixed jirachi is it’s slow

[upper plume]

don't you want nicks if ur running beat up dug?

[leaden fiber]

Used to

Not anymore

[upper plume]

oh really?

[leaden fiber]

They changed the mechanic on showdown

[upper plume]

interesting

[leaden fiber]

It doesn't say "x inflicted this" anymore

or whatever it used to be

nicks are cool though

[upper plume]

yeah I would still nick a team I cared about

[rocky mountain]

you’d have to explain the aerial ace and beat up on dug to me

[leaden fiber]

aerial ace hits breloom / heracross

[rocky mountain]

and id probably run hp grass over rest on suicune

[leaden fiber]

beat up guarantees

a 2hko on blissey

outside of sand

eq does not

assuming none of your mons have been statused

[rocky mountain]

lax without EQ i’ve run a bit and seems like it gets walled by stuff it shouldn’t get walled by

guess that’s what the self destruct is for

[leaden fiber]

U can run eq

I prefer focus punch here

To beatdown skarm

and I'm not really weak into metagross or jirachi

I have a dugtrio anyways

[rocky mountain]

and i hate to run choice band but it’s pretty much mandatory on dug

i’ve seen what happens without it

[leaden fiber]

Yes

Dugtrio hits like a wet noodle

[rocky mountain]

my celebi lives hp bug when they don’t use it

[leaden fiber]

The only valid dugtrio set is choice band

[rocky mountain]

so yeah

[leaden fiber]

Celebi lives hp bug anyways

Depending on the set

[rocky mountain]

well i always run max speed celebi never physical investment

i’m sure the dumbass swords dance lead runs defence investment

[leaden fiber]

Most celebis have

Some bulk

[rocky mountain]

yeah i’m max hp just not defense

but i can trade out celebi i’m not that in love with it anymore

[leaden fiber]

I have to run now, I'll help you later, maybe

[rocky mountain]

i just like it enabled by zap to do some crazy shit

ty i’ll try to get into the discord

running baton pass over roar on zap… hmm

[polar nacelle]

there is, i'll dm u

[obtuse prawn]

@tribal smelt yk gen 7 stall?

can u rate or nah

[tribal smelt]

I know it rudementarily

Post it and I can say some pointers

[obtuse prawn]

ah ok

one sec

https://pokepast.es/a9b559185af88734

just wanted to try something actually

didnt know what mega so i just slapped mega lati on it

[tribal smelt]

The big thing you can do immediately is turn Clefable into CM with Heal Bell to make Mega Sableye really easy to pilot

[obtuse prawn]

okay

[tribal smelt]

You lose out on some nice scouting but it means your enemy stall match up is less flimsy

[obtuse prawn]

yea true

i have alomomola for scouting and wish anyways

[tribal smelt]

You already have a good answer in a wish passer so personally Tangrowth is a bit of a mediocre pick, I would have ran something like pff

I forget her name, Fairy Steel

Magearna

[obtuse prawn]

ah

yea i might as well do that

av magearna?

[tribal smelt]

Nah. I think the stall Magearna is pain split fleur cannon

[obtuse prawn]

yea psplit but

what item though

[tribal smelt]

Leftovers or Z is what most people run

Means you can one shot an annoying matchup instead of having to try and Stall it

[obtuse prawn]

yea i think z is good but y lefties when i got psplit?

[obtuse prawn]

true

[tropic schooner]

split swap lefties is way better here because like

sub stored power mega latias kinda just wins

[obtuse prawn]

ah

but isnt that rare

[tribal smelt]

Not really.

[obtuse prawn]

oh

[tribal smelt]

Psyspam in 7 high end is super common

[obtuse prawn]

yea

[tribal smelt]

And Mtias has about 5 million sets she runs to be annoying

[obtuse prawn]

lmao yeah

there was actually a regen team which i made a few changes to

and got to #2 for like 2 days

then immediately

lost a lot of games

[tropic schooner]

its a common stall breaker

[obtuse prawn]

yea

[tropic schooner]

and non mega sableye builds have a tendency to lose to it

[obtuse prawn]

is this mag capable of stopping kartana?

[obtuse prawn]

yea

i used too much sableye so im tired lol

[tribal smelt]

Well you have a decent way of dancing Kartana but I get why you slapped on Tangrowth

[obtuse prawn]

yea

[tribal smelt]

One old, old rank 1 team ran Zapdos Gliscor to make the matchup easier

[obtuse prawn]

lati stops kartana to an extent

[obtuse prawn]

both mons?

or u mean replace it

?

[tropic schooner]

https://pokepast.es/114927b360002bea @obtuse prairie

im considering making glis u turn defog set

wanted to get ur ops on it tho

[tribal smelt]

Oh no, its more that Zapdos Mtias Chansey is a good stall spine to build off of

In generation 7 specifically

It sort of translates to generation 6 as well

The thing with generation 7 stall is you have two branches to go off of, Mtias stall to make the general metagame easier to stall or Msableye to make Psyspam way less effective.

Its not that simple obviously but its what I used to do to make my teams in game flow easier

[obtuse prawn]

oh i see

[obtuse prawn]

yeaa exactly

[obtuse prawn]

yh

see so

i can make a lot of changes

its not like something i built out of effort

i just grouped my favourite mons with a little thinking

of not being very weak to something

so zap>gliscor?

[tribal smelt]

Which also works for generation 7 in general since the builder is flexible.

[obtuse prawn]

ah

[tribal smelt]

And pff, personally I would try the team out first hand before I start swapping things

[obtuse prawn]

okay lol

will do

are the evs on lati ok tho?

cause i never used lati before

[tribal smelt]

Nah I think its fine.

There is a sample lying in the team dumps of the EVs optimally tweaked but I usually run max speed until I start getting annoying with U turn chip

Which with how gen 7 stall works usually occurs at like.. 1400s

The big thing you can think with Zapdos Tias Chansey is what you need to patch up, so Gliscor + Clefable + Regenerator is pretty good for that nice neutral boring safe versus most team stall core

But if you need a Steel Magearna also slots in fine with a defensive ground

I forget the general idea but I think one of the cores I ran into a lot was Spdef Hippowdon Magearna Toxapex

Its a bit clunky without Msab but it works fine as a "kill shit force dead turns" core that isnt scared of Tran

[obtuse prawn]

oh

cool thanks a lot man

il try out diff combos and let yk if anything happens

[tribal smelt]

Any time.

[raw hornet]

Why not Earthquake on Latios M

[tropic schooner]

grassy terrain

[raw hornet]

Ohh

You doesn't have a switch in to ash gren you can only revenge kill it

Or make anticipated switch with tapu Bulu or kartana so ash gren takes damage from hazards and finish him off late game

Or something like that

I like the team

[rare token]

Alright let’s look at this

[rare token]

Looks really maw weak

Kartana becomes a problem when it’s paired with maw here

Which is fairly common

[raw hornet]

LatiasM isn't really a stall pokemon

[rare token]

It’s a fat Pokémon

It’s not good on stall

[raw hornet]

Yes

[rare token]

Stall megas are Sableye and Aggron

Only 2 viable stall megas

[raw hornet]

Yeah

AggronM is viable like really good on stall?

[rare token]

There’s variants of mega aggron stall

It’s decent

Mega aggron is one of the bulkiest mons in the tier

[raw hornet]

Is it as good as Sableye-Mega stall?

[rare token]

You pair it with alomamola wish to heal it

Just as good, maybe better

It’s matchup dependent

[tropic schooner]

Tbf dolphin

All stall is mmaw weak

To some extent

[raw hornet]

Yeah but stall is match-up dependent

[rare token]

Not chicken table

[raw hornet]

Okay I'm gonna build a stall with aggron M

[obtuse prawn]

ah

wait if ur free and willing to can you maybe make the changes and send the ppaste?

cause I'm really busy rn so i hope you can

[rare token]

I’m thinking maybe pex over alomomola

Should help a little with maw

Pdef

[raw hornet]

Or remove latias and put aggron mega

It allow chansey to play another move instead of stealth rock

[obtuse prawn]

ok

https://pokepast.es/ea92d04cd925f2a5

i made one change any of u wana check it out?

like any furhter changes

obviously i have to make some

[obtuse prawn]

yea but then there goes my wish pass

[raw hornet]

Yeah the team looks nice

Why do you always build stall?

You don't wanna change

[obtuse prawn]

Yea idk other modes

[gritty scaffold]

i feel like my team is preety weak to stall after ive changed my team on bdsp https://pokepast.es/99ad0bb78e327561

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @cyan ether, @peak canyon, @hasty ingot, @strong frigate. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

mayb im lacking offense pressure considering only really mamo that is offense but not sure if i should try then build ho or bo to dont be weak to stall

[rigid linden]

https://pokepast.es/327db9dbaafbb652

rate

[leaden fiber]

@short hedge

looks fine, why gatr over like

gyara or nite?

also not sure how i feel about spex tias set

or rose set

i think u could do scarf tias here

[short hedge]

Okay the team is pretty solid, I would say give Gengar Life Orb, give it pain split and substitute over Wisp and Tbolt and give full 252 sp.att / 252 spe (timid)

[short hedge]

Focus Blast / Shadow Ball combo hits everything in the meta

[leaden fiber]

indeed

i said gatr not gar :P

[short hedge]

I'd give roserade sash imo, doesn't need life orb. Gatr I would give lum > LO, give latias choice scarf a speed check and def Draco > Dpulse

[leaden fiber]

nice, i am not terrible at dpp

[short hedge]

whats gliscor on the team for?

[short hedge]

no you're not

[leaden fiber]

is sub torment tran still in the meta

[short hedge]

it is and its fire, but idk if it fits this team (yet)

[leaden fiber]

nice

[raw hornet]

You should try some of them

Any thoughts? https://pokepast.es/53bf1f634a4ba90f

[rigid linden]

i made some adjustments what should the last mon be

https://pokepast.es/70fb34f08d3834d4

[silver reef]

its not really thanks to ppl realizing clefable is a good mon

DPP heatrans nowadays mostly are offensive

[leaden fiber]

what does clef do to it

[silver reef]

sit on it

cause its unphazed by torment

[leaden fiber]

Oh really

oh cuz sub tect plume

right

[silver reef]

its alternating between stoss softboiled and knock anyways

[leaden fiber]

what about

offensive torment

B)

[silver reef]

yea torment tran is also normally spdef

[silver reef]

its still cocked by clef

[leaden fiber]

ok

taunt torm magma

:)

[silver reef]

and drop what, protect or toxic?

err sub

oops

[leaden fiber]

last sub

proly

or smth

idk sounds mid

[silver reef]

sub is the entire reason why torment tran works

[leaden fiber]

ye

last sub

magma taunt torment sub

[silver reef]

no protect to fuck over the faster grounds

👍

[leaden fiber]

very true

[rigid linden]

https://pokepast.es/899e1caddeb41886

good?

[leaden fiber]

@silver reef

[upper plume]

sometimes bro runs cm

because there isn't a whole lot of passive damage that deters it overall

let's see

tspikes is useful against stall

esp since defog on glisc just gives free turns for mamo

oh wait

go adamant mamoswine

you don't need jolly

rotom last could also be either hex or np

or protect for lefties

also your team is like

super weak to weavile

[gritty scaffold]

Alr then

[gritty scaffold]

Yea realized now that aswell but thanks for suggesting changes

[obtuse prawn]

@tribal smelt

https://pokepast.es/c8429e98b656fc24

played a game with this

felt very comfrortabl

[tribal smelt]

Yeah I really like this

[obtuse prawn]

Nice

[tribal smelt]

Double wishpass gives Aggron a loot of room

[obtuse prawn]

yeah exactly

but like i thought of a few threats

mawile m can be covered now

with gliscor + growth rocky helmet

not completely covered i guess butyea

[tribal smelt]

Psyspam is still psyspam but eh you cant win every single MU on stall in Gen 7 may as well have two or three different variants for what Ladder is spamming

Most of the dedicated stall mains run that for g7

[obtuse prawn]

Yeah

Lol

im guessing i can list lele as one of my threat?

[tribal smelt]

Definitely

And Zam is still Zam

Does a trillion

[obtuse prawn]

Kart gets managed

yea

if sableye were there it would've been covered but i feel aggron+wish

is better than sableye at this point

just deflecting doesnt help that much in gen 7

[tribal smelt]

It can be since Mlop and Medicham are scary on ladder but you dont have the luxury in say SwSh of running zero Chansey/Blissey for the roughest matchups

[obtuse prawn]

yea it does help against those but

now with alom+growth i can take care of lopunny easily

very easily actually

medicham also does less than 50% on ice punch

or exactly 50%

and then i can keep swwapping

can even go clef

[tribal smelt]

Its more that you'd need an entirely different sort of team to handle Psyspam which can be awkward to pivot

Feels like Maggron teams either lose by turn 10 vs it or have to sack like 3 team members to handle it

[obtuse prawn]

yeah but since im running regen cores theres little way to stop psyspam

[obtuse prawn]

lmao yea

wait m-aggron handles non focus blast leles

by forcing them to switch out

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen7ou-1800621162

this team is absolutely nasty lol

testing it on test accs rn

[tribal smelt]

Dead replay :/

Cant see it

[obtuse prawn]

o

mb

i didnt save it just direclty sent

[raw hornet]

Yes but if tapu Lele comes later it can do big damage aggron mega will not be able to come on the terrain oftenly especially with hazards

Like imagine there's a tapu Lele specs against your gliscor you switch to aggron mega that takes 45%~ then the guy switch to like I don't know a pokemon that can easily handle all of AggronM attacks and kill it in return the guy just have to anticipated a switch to put tapu Lele specs again

So your team can't really do that much against Psyspam

I don't even know if there's a stall pokemon that can handle psyspam

There's just jirachi