#NatDex Other Tiers

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dusty thicket
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But yeah like

pearl scroll
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Oh

dusty thicket
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I mean you can probably do pdon + arc + yvel BUT

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That requires a whole different team structure

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Yeah fair

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Ive mostly seen

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Knock Pulse sucker sets (on general yvel)

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More than anything

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Which arent

pearl scroll
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Triple dark move

dusty thicket
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Stuff for this

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Yeah

zealous plover
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I think actually you could drop Yvel and do Gira-O. I really like that mon rn for more offensive structures with this team looks like it wants to be.

pearl scroll
dusty thicket
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Ive had big success with the team neon built for me so

zealous plover
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That's
what Giratina Origin is

dusty thicket
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Im all for trusting lol

zealous plover
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and it keeps up a lot of offensive pressure while doing so.

pearl scroll
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Ok giratina-o arceus and pdon

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But should I go with ground or something else?

dusty thicket
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I mean gira-o deals with pdon

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Unless heavily chipped

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But idk i dont know about arceus types

pearl scroll
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So arc fairy?

dusty thicket
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(Appearently not)

zealous plover
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Gira-O completely stuffs Pdon almost regardless of set outside of maybe goofy Mixed Dragon Pulse variants.

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But also, I am not a fan of Arceus Fairy rn.

dusty thicket
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Fairyceus isnt good on most big threats

pearl scroll
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So what arceus form then

zealous plover
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Only really a half measure VS a lot of things, bad matchup into the really good mons, and the other top ArcForms are just better.

dusty thicket
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Except unec, but if you ndm ultra burst while they have fairyceus you're not doing good lol

pearl scroll
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I think i am gonna keep necrozma dm

zealous plover
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One set I think is quite good for NDM is Bulky DD Solg-Z.

dusty thicket
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Yeah you told me abt that one

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I wanted to try it eventually

zealous plover
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Able to immediately smash through Darkceus as opposed to Unecro who gets completely stuffed while still providing a lot of defensive utility.

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Necrozma-Dusk-Mane @ Solganium Z
Ability: Prism Armor
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 248 HP / 44 Atk / 72 Def / 104 SpD / 40 Spe
Impish Nature

  • Dragon Dance
  • Sunsteel Strike
  • Earthquake
  • Morning Sun
pearl scroll
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Ok

dusty thicket
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Unecro is more of an ho mon i feel like

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In comparison to

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Ndm

pearl scroll
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Tera dragon?

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Interesting

dusty thicket
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It doesnt matter

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You have solg z

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= cant tera

zealous plover
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OHKO's Mega Sableye at +1, outspeeds Adamant Caly-I unboosted, and isn't 2HKO'd by +1 Zacian CC.

pearl scroll
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Nice

zealous plover
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Coverage could be a toss up between EQ or Stone Edge but I tend to prefer EQ for opposing NDM.

pearl scroll
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Ok

dusty thicket
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What pdon set btw for this

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And arc type

pearl scroll
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Hmm

dusty thicket
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Pdon has like four bazillion sets anyway

zealous plover
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ArcDark I feel like is the most easily splashable.

pearl scroll
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Do I lack a strong breaker?

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Darkceus sound good

zealous plover
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Arceus-Dark @ Dread Plate
Ability: Multitype
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 248 HP / 64 Def / 28 SpD / 168 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Foul Play
  • Taunt / Perish Song
  • Toxic / Whirlpool
  • Recover
dusty thicket
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NDM does a lot of breaking for your team

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Esp with solg z

zealous plover
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Perish Song and Whirlpool should only ever be used together, but Taunt and Toxic are the standard.

dusty thicket
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So darkceus, ndm, gira-o

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Wouldnt you want rocks here

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On don

pearl scroll
dusty thicket
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Because not on ndm or arc

pearl scroll
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Yes but would spikes be better?

dusty thicket
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Spikes sounds a bit counteractive with giratina on paper

zealous plover
# dusty thicket On don

Groudon-Primal @ Red Orb
Ability: Desolate Land
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 240 HP / 28 Atk / 88 Def / 152 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Stealth Rock
  • Swords Dance
  • Precipice Blades
  • Heat Crash
dusty thicket
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Unsure tho

pearl scroll
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Oh wait, wrong tier

dusty thicket
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LMAO

pearl scroll
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Nah

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I’m talking about spikes

dusty thicket
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Yeah ik

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I got the joke lol

zealous plover
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What do you have now?

dusty thicket
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Gira o

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Pdon
Ndm
Darkceus

zealous plover
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no I meant
the paste

dusty thicket
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Oh

pearl scroll
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Maybe zacian?

dusty thicket
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I think he meant so far
Not sure

pearl scroll
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Xerneas looks juicy for this team

zealous plover
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Slow down
what is the team paste rn

pearl scroll
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I think xerneas 2hkos most pdon sets after geomancy boost

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Right?

dusty thicket
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(Slap the 4 mons in a paste and send it here)

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(Then we continue lol)

pearl scroll
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Now we need sweepers and a breaker

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I think

zealous plover
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Pig
what is the pokepaste of what you have right now

pearl scroll
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Lemme see

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Wait a sec

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I am doing stuff on the phone rn

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And showdown breaks whenever I change tabs

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Wait a bit longer

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So what’s for giratina

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This is the first 3

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I dunno about giratina

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Set

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@zealous plover @dusty thicket

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So this is the first 3, giratina would be the fourth but I kinda need a set for it

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Guys?

zealous plover
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Giratina-Origin @ Griseous Core
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 192 Atk / 56 SpD / 12 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Poltergeist
  • Dragon Tail
  • Defog / Shadow Sneak
  • Will-O-Wisp
pearl scroll
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Oh nice

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If giratina chooses to not have defog who’s gonna defog

zealous plover
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Giratina is gonna be your defogger

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idk where else you would fit it.

pearl scroll
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Ok

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Ok

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Giratina is finished

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So for the last two slots

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Maybe zacian-crowned?

zealous plover
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Look
I'm tired rn
can I come back to this tomorrow?

pearl scroll
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Ok

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I will be back when I am available

uncut tinsel
pearl scroll
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Amoonguss with offensive investment tells me something’s horribly wrong

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And it’s more than that

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I’m not good at explaining but amoonguss with all that offensive investment already tells me this is kinda bad

sonic summit
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This is awful advice (if you can even call it that) dawg, can't just say "I see a single set that I assume is slightly unviable and then just dismiss the rest of the team because of that" 😭

marble stone
pearl scroll
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Nah I already stated that I am not good at explaining

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Also idk if weak armor on trick room is the right ability

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I wonder what does liquidation hit too

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Also maybe he forgot to change Tera type on the mushroom

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Or maybe it’s the right ability for non trick room mode

visual sparrow
marble stone
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first of all

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none of these are ndex ubers mons

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secondly, this channel is for competitve only

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thirdly, this should only be straw hats, why akainu there?

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bruh

sonic summit
pearl scroll
hazy remnant
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making a generic mmy yveltal balance team

coarse crag
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mmy usually prefers earth power over fire blast on np sets, and with yveltal + darkeus, you can probably change out 1 of those for a better mon since they do a lot of the same thing being a bulky dark type

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pdon also prefers spdef over physdef every day of the week

hazy remnant
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yea pdon being lax was just a mistake

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Earth power over fb is interesting though for mmy that sounds good

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(although the raw damage output from fire blast on ndm and zacian are pretty good imo)

sonic summit
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rule 3 and 6 looking like #1030567099703242903 message

rich viper
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Oh no it's completely optimized with vgc in mind, I just so happen to be using it for a fangame as well

sonic summit
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the issue is that

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there is no VGC metagame where you can legally use all of these mons and have them be equally viable

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VGC being the offical nintendo Double battle format

pearl scroll
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Guys I really wanna know why do some ev spreads use 248 hp instead of max

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It’s just so specific

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I wanna know why

quasi garnet
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wrong channel and because the extra 4 hp ev does nothing for your bulk and you prefer it into like speed for speed wars (as an example)

sonic summit
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its to minimize chip damage from hazards

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its hardish to explain but numbers that are divisible by 4 (or 8 I forget which one) will result in more damage being taken than a number not divisible by it

edgy sparrow
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if your hp is 8n and you take 1/8 from rocks you take 1 more damage than you would if your hp was 8n-1

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same with tox and spikes ofc

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but this also affect lefties (with 16n) and other healing so you don’t always do it

pearl scroll
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Oh

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Nice

ancient slate
pseudo coral
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i recommend samples

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nsure if they're updated yet from koraidon meta but they should still work minus the korai

ancient slate
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awww :[

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ok

pseudo coral
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yea the samples generally help ppl get a preliminary grasp of team composition :)

sonic summit
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Samples should be posted sometime this month

pseudo coral
solemn zodiac
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i can finally get back into ndubers

pseudo coral
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real,

tall raptor
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sand ground monotype btw

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(Natdex Monotype)

marble stone
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^@worthy fjord

worthy fjord
# tall raptor https://pokepast.es/2368a50b1365a38b

Band or SD exca over AV because all mole does is do a lot of damage

Leftovers on hippo or eject button to get more staying power

Scarf shocks isnt that great, and you compound with the current ground weaknesses. You can consider scarf Great Tusk + Landorus, or a similar combo if you wanted to tho

Sd garchomp with Scale Shot Earthquake Fire fang is better. If you want a mixed set it could work, but SD breaks stuff up better

Biased against clod since I dont like Ground weak Water immunes when Water has Mega Swampert, but that clod def needs to be water absorb to take on the scalds

worthy fjord
marble stone
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np

pseudo coral
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#pkmn-general might be better for non-serious teams

sonic summit
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#1030567099703242903 message

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Rule 3

gloomy bluff
gloomy bluff
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I need an opinion on this

I personally run HC on pdon as I can run stone edge and pres blades without worrying of a miss.

hazy remnant
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swords dance just makes pdon even more of a nuke button than it already is

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the probability management is negotiable

gloomy bluff
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it already hits like a school bus so

vast sentinel
gloomy bluff
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only thing that i see being a problem is ditto. ofc it can work but it can always be dead weight. untill ditto dies they will be more carful.

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this is personally what i run and i switch between etern and xern

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xern may get banned tho

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its going to be suspect tested soon

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same with zygard complete

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so those two are the most broken

sonic summit
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its such a momentum sink

vast sentinel
gloomy bluff
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why do i have roar

gloomy bluff
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but it is more high risk high reward

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for me at least

vast sentinel
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I see

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he's great for countering setup sweepers and webbers tho

gloomy bluff
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i just need hazard removal as t spikes destory my team if etern goes down

hazy remnant
hazy remnant
# gloomy bluff https://pokepast.es/dff9f8f463216dab

id swap mental herb on deoS for sash and do magic coat over taunt, and remove those weird speed evs and put them into spa
Double dance pdon runs swords dance, not hone claws. Probability management is negotiable.
Defensive hooh is not good here if you REALLY wanted to run hooh unironically band would be good but i personally wouldnt recommend it
Dont run cosmic power etern with no recover just swap recover over cosmic power or even meteor beam powerherb
Recover over Refresh on normalceus imo
Fix your weird evs aswell you’d rather do max atk max spe jolly Normalceus and max spe max spa modest eternatus

gloomy bluff
# hazy remnant id swap mental herb on deoS for sash and do magic coat over taunt, and remove th...

ok here is my response to 'this'
mental herb works with this kind of play as other lead deo-s will taunt, mental herb imo is better on leads to stop speed tie taunts and why run sash if its useless after hazards. only thing its good for is death phoder after that
I understand and agree dd on pdon
I have recover bro
thats your opinion
and bruh wym. i have 6+ priority. https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/arceus/national-dex-ubers/

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look at the sets

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its recomended over speed

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if neon was online id let him tell you

hazy remnant
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mb meant to say adamant for the normalceus you’re right on that

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Magic coat has priority, you’re stopping other DeoS leads from taunting you

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You run sash so it can always get up atleast two layers of spikes or rocks + taunt or whatever else

gloomy bluff
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if I'm running full HO then id run shuckle

spring marlin
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is it mid or is it mid

hazy remnant
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yea that’s mid

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azelf isnt a very good lead compared to DeoS for HO

spring marlin
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any suggestions

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o

hazy remnant
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hoopaU doesnt see any usage

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gambit doesnt see usage

spring marlin
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ty🙏

hazy remnant
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youd wanna do bullet punch over crunch on mluc imo but i dont know the standard sets for that so dont take my word

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kyuB runs dragon dance loaded dice icicle spear

spring marlin
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What would be a better pkm to have on there instead of hoopa-U

hazy remnant
spring marlin
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ty

gloomy bluff
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@spring marlin id recomend checking viability rankings

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also the best leads are shuckle, deoxys speed, and primal groudon.

spring marlin
gloomy bluff
icy skiff
solemn zodiac
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i think cm pogre runs a bulkier ev spread (and you shouldn't be running it on HO for the most part either way)

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xern should just be standard geo

icy skiff
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I mean

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I didn't find a better counter to Groudon

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I could probably use bulky Kyogre tho

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Cuz it does live a +1 Zacian-Crowned Wild Charge from full hp and then OHKOs with OPulse

grand spear
dry ridgeBOT
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New NatDex Mono RMT @soft lion, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @random bluff, @runic sage. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

runic sage
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the mega lopunny moveset should also be fake out cc return triple axel

grand spear
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I went with Magic Cost out of fear of Webs but thank you

grand spear
runic sage
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bloodmoon z move

grand spear
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ok

runic sage
grand spear
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Just normalium right

runic sage
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yea normal z

grand spear
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And what do I replace Zoro with? I originally ran it out of fear of substitute mons like bewear

mystic bridge
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So I've got this team for nat dex doubles, but I feel like it's missing something. https://pokepast.es/e77495afdec00efa
I'm trying to build a team without legendries/paradox/ultra beasts or mythicals. Aegislash is my favorite so I want to keep it, the rest are interchangeable

hazy remnant
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only teams for a specific meta in competitive usage

mystic bridge
hazy remnant
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yeah

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the "no legendaries" rule counts as arbitrary

mystic bridge
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what about without the rules?

runic sage
grand spear
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Porygon-Z @ Normalium Z
Ability: Adaptability
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Thunderbolt
  • Ice Beam
  • Shadow Ball
  • Conversion
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Does this work

runic sage
grand spear
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Also what should the Staraptor set be

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im going with the smogon set for now

gloomy bluff
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other than that it works really well and it is a good team

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bulky poger is an oddball pick but it is so flexible that it can run alot of different sets and work

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also hazzard removal

icy skiff
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Understood

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Tysm

gloomy bluff
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np mate

gloomy bluff
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i still have roar on Ho oh for some reson hold on

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fixed it

icy skiff
marble stone
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firstly, 2 z-moves are cringe

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so i would run power herb geomancy instead with thunder and fblast / hp ground over draining kiss and hp fire

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as for the mega run mega salamence

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and also the deo-s set needs to be changed - use the smogdex one

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@icy skiff

icy skiff
marble stone
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like if u use one i dont think u can use the other

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dunno is necrozma-u is an exception

icy skiff
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Uu

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Uh

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Well, Ultranecrozium-Z jus allows Ndm to transform

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Xernias is the main source of Z-move

gray crag
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anyone got ideas for a nat mono fighting type team

foggy halo
sonic summit
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it cant transform if Xern burns the Z

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and vice versa

icy skiff
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It literally works

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I can use Z-Geomancy as well as Ultra Burst

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:/

sonic summit
icy skiff
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I obviously can use only one Z-move between Z-Geomancy and The Light That Burns The Sky

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But with dragon dance, on most occasions the Z-Move on UN isn't even necessary

sonic summit
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definitely gotta disagree there

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additionally

icy skiff
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I mean

sonic summit
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Z-Geo isn't even that worth it because you have to give up Tera on Xerneas which is a lot more powerful then

icy skiff
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Tbh

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I mainly use Terastralisation on Terapagos

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But I understand what you're saying

sonic summit
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where is Terapagos on that team

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also that mon is quite awful in ND Ubers

icy skiff
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Oh true I haven't posted the team with the changes

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Uh, just gimme a sec

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I made some changes since I was HEAVILY vulnerable to Marshadow

coarse crag
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there are a lot of stuff wrong with this team

solemn zodiac
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i look inside and i see sashshadow

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and i instantly give up

icy skiff
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Well

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I changed the Xernias set and I kinda need a replacement for Terapagos

icy skiff
icy skiff
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I made some improvements that I think should do well

solemn zodiac
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please do not do ingrain xerneas, no setup zac-c or mblastoise

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unec also wants photon > pfang i think

hazy remnant
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sedge over fpunch on pdon too and a better tera than rock on zacian (tblast ground or tfight cc)

hazy remnant
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also you'd rather do magic coat/taunt/twave over icebeam with max SPA investment timid over hp on deoS

dusty thicket
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stone edge

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other than that yea

hazy remnant
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Oh yh sedge for hooh

dusty thicket
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yeah lol

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ho oh and yveltal

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sunsteel is viable if you REALLY need a xerneas check in DM form but sedge usually better

coarse crag
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sunsteel is needed to be able to kill xern before you ultra burst

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hooh dies to a +1 light that burns the sky anyways

solemn zodiac
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what if it hards you as you dd in reg form

coarse crag
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what

solemn zodiac
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what if ho-oh hard switches into you as you click dragon dance in the dusk-mane form

coarse crag
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+1 224+ Atk Necrozma-Ultra Photon Geyser vs. 248 HP / 208+ Def Ho-Oh: 256-303 (61.6 - 73%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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at best it can whirlwind it which is a win for you

sonic sleet
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Stone edge is for yveltal

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Not ho oh

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But it does help with ho oh too

dusty thicket
coarse crag
dusty thicket
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but yea

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also 47.5% chance is too high to be called "in your favor" but i see what you mean

coarse crag
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dd ndm is 90% of the time unec

dusty thicket
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fair enough

coarse crag
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sacred is just a bad play

dusty thicket
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though neon disagrees lol

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but i guess

coarse crag
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disagrees with what

dusty thicket
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dd ndm - unec

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he's a fan of dd ndm solgz

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i've yet to try that one

coarse crag
random bluff
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Made this team for nat dex. Any natures/moves/mons that need to be changed? Who should be the last 2?

hazy remnant
random bluff
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I legit just thought those 3 would be the things that make raticate work. I'm fine with legends/ paradoxes

gloomy bluff
# random bluff https://pokepast.es/626736dd3f2647d1
  1. Your team must be competitive, and you must be willing to have it optimized. We will not stop you from using whatever team you want, but if it’s not competitive, it does not belong here. If you are building a "fun AG team" and don't want to use viable Pokemon because you don't like them, this is the wrong place.
  2. Incomplete teams will not be rated.
random bluff
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I just don't understand why it's being called uncompetitive, but i assume it's because of the alolan raticate, because it's an off meta pick? I am willing to take it off tho

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I did try to make it work based on teammates, but if there's nothing i can do then i'm fine with scrapping it

solemn zodiac
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2 z moves

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this still goes in natdex ou rates btw

random bluff
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I learned it yesterday lmao

gloomy bluff
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if you want something along the lines of it than either obstagoon or inciaroar, while both allows Z-Parting Shot that heals the switch in. it still is not good and I would look at sample or viability rankings

desert flicker
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ouhhh 1400s my behated

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i've gone from yveltal to xerneas to now giratina and he did wall an iron moth to death which was pretty funny but i feel the team can in general be improved

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problem is i'm dumb

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primal groudon my most hated foe

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i tried terapagos too but it needed too much setup and couldn't really do much

solemn zodiac
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zac-c comes in for free on gira and you don't exactly have strong zac-c cplay to begin with

icy skiff
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What's a good staller killer for NdUbers

solemn zodiac
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you have 3 sd guys

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and a geoxern

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you shouldn't struggle THAT bad

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you can slot taunt somewhere there if stall is a major concern fsr

hazy remnant
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tblast water zacian just gets walled by pdon and that pdon set still gets walled by ho oh

desert flicker
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so wisp or something on gira

coarse crag
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basically all zac have wild charge

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you’re better off winning the lottery

hazy remnant
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yeah a wild chargeless zacian just

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sucks

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obv some exceptions but generally they have wild charge

unkempt horizon
sonic summit
unkempt horizon
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which ones specifically?

sonic summit
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all of them

unkempt horizon
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emotional damage

sonic summit
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also Hooh completely outclasses Reshirram as a defogger so I wouldn't use it unless you want to meme with it as a wallbreaker

unkempt horizon
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so this team, is garbage.

sonic summit
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nah

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just the sets

unkempt horizon
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can't do that by not using her

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of course if this team is suboptimal...

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...then the rest of my teams are total garbage

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because that

sonic summit
unkempt horizon
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is by far my best NDubers team I have ever made

sonic summit
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although it faces heavy competition with chi-yu

unkempt horizon
hazy remnant
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resh is just

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unviable

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there’s like no way to make it work

unkempt horizon
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that's my problem

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I am not ok with that being the case

hazy remnant
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we cant help you out then

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

unkempt horizon
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well since that's the only member of the team you see

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no clearly you can't

hazy remnant
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i mean we cant really help build around completely unviable mons

unkempt horizon
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I see. now, moving on

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I have decided on using deoxys s for a lead, as much as I disagree with it

sonic summit
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boots can probably work asw but it arguable needs the extra power to not be a worse Chi-Yu

unkempt horizon
unkempt horizon
ivory flicker
ivory flicker
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btw ive already realized the lagging tail thing was a mistake so i changed the item to leftovers, and the move to torment

sonic summit
# ivory flicker Gen 8 NatDex UU 🙂 https://pokepast.es/ada61191415f354a

Mega Beedrill isn't good (esp. not the SD sets, the only usable set is just U-turn + 3 attacks) but if u were to use it then u can only really run it on Hatterene structures since defog alone isn't enough to support it. Donphan is even worse since Rapid Spin isn't enough to make it stand out from Hippowdon, Swampert, Rhyperior, or even Gligar as a bulky ground. Klefki is another mon that just flat out sucks in this tier because it can't respond very well to a lot of the tiers dark and steel types and its just really passive regardless, we have better steel types such as Skarmory and better spikers such as Skarmory (again) and Roserade. I think the viablity rankings would help you a lot here because the builder alone can be very misleading.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-uu-viability-rankings.3672482/

Aside from the unviable mons the Washtom set is ok but u want to add 88 Spe investment to outpace all Scizor variants. Hydreigon would benefit more with Fire Blast instead of Focus Blast in order to hit Celesteela for big damage (+ there aren't many targets for focus blast anyways). Chandelure doesn't really run Memento except on rare occasions on Choice Scarf sets, Energy Ball would be a better move here. For viable sets you can use the link below
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-uu-set-compendium.3672485/

I think this team is salvagable if you change the Mbeedrill set to Uturn + 3a, go Rhyperior > Donphan, go Defog > Focus Blast on Hydreigon (to role compress since Hattreene alone can't keep hazards off u need both it and defog), Hatterene > Klefki because its mandatory on Mbee teams, and Finally Volcanion in place of Chandelure to have extra assurance against threats such as Mega Altaria, Aegislash, etc
https://pokepast.es/72f62fec901e364f

although this team lacks a steel which means this team is risky into Nihilego so this alternate build with Scizor > Mbee could be better
https://pokepast.es/4934b6ca418b36a5

ivory flicker
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or is rhyperior supposed to set rocks

sonic summit
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but I don't see anything else that can work with that team

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and u already have Rhyperior as a rocker here so its not super neccesary, can just run an SD set on cob at that point

drifting mist
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https://pokepast.es/9f0cfb3ea02e41ba
Hi!
I have been working a lot in this mono-rock team and I have noticed this issues:

  • VERY weak against kommo-o
  • Dragon types are dangerous in general (that's why Nihilego dazzling gleam)
  • Meawscarada is dangerous (but not impossible to deal with)

Btw Diance 16 HP can kill Scizor so it's not a that big of a threat

dry ridgeBOT
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worthy fjord
drifting mist
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Yeah i notices that too

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But i have a lot of problemas against hazards

worthy fjord
drifting mist
worthy fjord
worthy fjord
drifting mist
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Yeah

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I wil try to build a more bulky diancie

worthy fjord
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no

drifting mist
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So it can live flash cannon

worthy fjord
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that normal dia when its mega'ed

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it just outspeeds and moonblasts Kommy to dead

drifting mist
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True

worthy fjord
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noting that not much on Dragon/Fight even wants to take a moonblast

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also, you didnt ask for this but Substitute Hisuian Arca feels more impactful sometimes if you're having trouble with Steel matchup

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Sub/Morning Sun/Flare Blitz/Head Smash hits everyone, you abuse the fact that they protect scout the doggo

drifting mist
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So far I haven't found that many mono steel (Well, recently) So I couldn't tell you how good my team is against these, but it's a good idea

worthy fjord
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trailblaze over Knock on Pon can be cool too, as you can steamroll Water/Ground when they're battered up

drifting mist
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I used knock off mainly for ghost and psychic cuz I don't have a lot of things against them

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But yeah could be good

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Btw I will use infestation shuckle over final gambit because otherwise sableye completely shuts down shuckle

worthy fjord
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for sab, you have M.Dia

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but you can try infest

drifting mist
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The time when I used it over carkol I found it more useful for me

drifting mist
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Like this?

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Or just leftovers lol

worthy fjord
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leftos might work, but hazards stinky

drifting mist
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Yeah

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Thx!

icy skiff
coarse crag
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Terapagos is really not good, tera water tera blast zacian does nothing, xerneas wants substitue or another move over hp fire, and fire punch pdon is basically useless when it can use heat crash without getting stoped by dynamax

solemn zodiac
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tb zac-c is useful it can snipe pdon after desoland gets removed clearly smh

hazy remnant
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terapagos is just

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not good

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Tblast water like hamster said on zac isnt worth it youd rather run ground

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Actually yeah just listen to hamster that’s really it

frosty pecan
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I need help:
I'm an aspiring Showdown player and I normally do Gen9 NatDexUbers. I'm not too good at teambuilding and I want some tips for future use.
https://pokepast.es/48ad6777b6977513
Here is my team that I most recently made, I wanted to test out some more unused mons so that is why mienshao is there.
Please give me advice on tera, EV spread, moveset, replacement mons, items, all that stuff

sonic summit
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when attemping to use a unviable mon, it either has to fill a very specific role in the metagame / team and needs to built around most of the time

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stacking unviable mons like you just did is not good teambuilding practice at all

frosty pecan
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Sometimes it gets boring using the same legendaries over and over and hoping yours outperform your opponent's

buoyant jolt
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Its not a bad thing, they are just more Pokemon

solemn zodiac
frosty pecan
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I asked for teambuilding advice, not criticism

sonic summit
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"Your team must be competitive, and you must be willing to have it optimized. We will not stop you from using whatever team you want, but if it’s not competitive, it does not belong here. If you are building a "fun AG team" and don't want to use viable Pokemon because you don't like them, this is the wrong place."

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if u don't want to do the bare minimum and use viable mons then why even bother

frosty pecan
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I don't mean to be a D here but can you stop goddamn yapping about the legendaries? I understand that natdexubers is for legendaries but right from the fricking start I asked for advice to make my team better. I didn't ask for people to treat me like a dumbass for not using viable mons. So far how much advice have I received about my goddamn team and not LEGENDARYLEGENDARYLEGENDARY? None.

hazy remnant
sonic summit
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if not, then we cant help you nor are we willing to

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since it is antithetical to the concept of ubers

sonic summit
uncut gulch
dry ridgeBOT
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uncut gulch
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nduber

uncut gulch
solemn zodiac
uncut gulch
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thats the wrong team lol @solemn zodiac

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opinions about this one?

solemn zodiac
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zyg wants a diff tera i think

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pdon prolly either wants bulk here + something over sd or go all in on sd and drop spikes/change to sr

uncut gulch
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the tera came from when i thought of running espeed on it

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i just dont know what to do with any of the teras here honestly

uncut gulch
solemn zodiac
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stealth rocks

uncut gulch
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oh alr

solemn zodiac
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also probably fix teras

uncut gulch
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yeah i wasnt sure what to do with them

soft lion
# uncut gulch nat dex mono flying https://pokepast.es/c6b1d6455f307ea7

This is pretty close

  • Gliscor: Drop Knock, EQ or Toxic for Roost otherwise Gliscor is going to die too quickily
  • Aerodactyl: I'd drop Ice Fang for Roost, Pursuit or Dual Wing Beat
  • Zapdos-G: Close Combat instead of Thunderous Kick
  • Tornadus: If you're Nasty Plot, drop Knock Off for another special attack (especially since you have Knock on 1-2 others on the team). Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hidden Power Ice
uncut gulch
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and yh i was thinking of cc

sonic summit
icy skiff
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Oh mb

icy skiff
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This is a tr team

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I'd appreciate some advice if the hard counter works

coarse crag
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On the first team you probably prefer choice band tera ice calyrex ice, it has way more immediate power over swords dance which is really valuable considering how short tr is up for. There is some debate about which trick room setters you should use. If you’re using calyrex you probably want to avoid stealth rocks with more than 1 setter, but it you want to keep the setters as is, you should change p2 to a defense ev spread. Another thing to note is that scald is preferred over surf if you want a consistent 100% accurate water type attack.

On the second team it kinda just seems like you slapped on random C rank mons. This doesn’t really have any great synergy, and i wouldn’t recommend stacking multiple “bad” pokemon on the same team, you’ll just end up with weaknesses to stuff like primal kyogre and other meta threats.

solemn zodiac
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you probably should change one of them for a mon that functions outside of tr

coarse crag
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3 setters is fine

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i’ve done 4 on a lot of teams

delicate cape
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https://pokepast.es/0ded86319577f6a5
The strongest team I've ever made
Turn one dundunsparce terestrializes into ghost and persian uses beat up to give it 4x speed 2x atk and 2x spa, then I can baton pass / stored power any threats
Anyone have any suggestions on how I can improve it?

sonic sleet
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cuz i hate to say it but this gimmick kinda sucks and will only ever work on ladder

hazy remnant
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i don’t think these sets are very good

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also baton pass isnt the best strat to my knowledge

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i suggest just using a sample team and learning the meta and what mons use what moves etc

gloomy bluff
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wait zc exist

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nevermind ditch this

uncut gulch
hazy remnant
# uncut gulch natdex ubers https://pokepast.es/fe02f15e0dcc56d5

demon zygarde isnt rlly that good in ndubers (the set youre running), youd rather just run a simple coil set without scaleshot
I personally would recommend tera ghost over fighting on marshadow and stone edge over heatcrash on pdon (although heatcrash on pdon isnt bad)

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i also like to run fireblast over earthpower to better hit ndm

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on mmy

gloomy bluff
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while leftovers is a good option it can stall out Power Construct

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also as a defensive tera imo fairy or steel is better

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ive also seen lum to counter toxic or burn attempts

gloomy bluff
hazy remnant
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Scaleshot trapper

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You’d generally always wanna run ddance or coil sets

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defensive coil sets can also just run rest over sub with lefties and not care about status

gloomy bluff
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ah ok

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i thought you were meaning it is not good in genreal

hazy remnant
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specs lunala balance team

weary compass
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I've had success, but I feel it could be improved.

hazy remnant
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Xerneas doesnt need those evs just max SPA, SPE Modest

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Marshadow prefers tera ghost over fighting

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those are the only things that stick out to me

weary compass
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And besides they came in important in some matchups.

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Allowing Xerneas to take a hit and and deal massive damage back.

hazy remnant
weary compass
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Aka Smogon Analysis

hazy remnant
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Oh yeah those are outdated

weary compass
hazy remnant
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yeah and get hit by eternatus pdon pogre zacian marshadow

weary compass
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And the reason why I had two defoggers was because in case I one, I had to other.

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I had changed the team up and its doing much better then prior.

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And if Shadow came in, it would have to be poisoned, which it doesn't like.

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Unless if it's the lum variant.

hazy remnant
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no one runs lumshadow brooo

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Marsh taking a toxic isnt the worst thing in the world when it nukes your mons that thing usually doesnt stay out for more than 4 turns max

weary compass
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In particular, I do run a few lum shadows with bulk up.

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To avoid burns or poisons on stall teams.

hazy remnant
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normal i would not personally suggest lum bulk up

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lorb or band

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marsh's capability is shown when it immediatly hits with massive firepower

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without lorb or band it hits like a wet paper noodle

weary compass
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@hazy remnant Also I'd like to ask, why is Sash so common as well?

hazy remnant
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sashshadow just isnt good when against a good team

weary compass
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Fair. I can't count how many times I've killed it.

hazy remnant
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yuh you’ll see it less at the actual ladder

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which is around 1600-1800

weary compass
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I'm at 1300-1400

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Haven't checked.

coarse crag
hazy remnant
gloomy bluff
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gj not being baited

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i see little issue other than what has been mentioned early

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also timid xern is no longer needed as much

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scarf kori is gone now

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how is this nd ubers team

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ive been using banded yev alot more and it has been working really well

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mainly bc my team is very weak to marsh so dual wing beat is very helpful, mainly bc sash is still sadly common

weary compass
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I don't run Band because I need help with hazards to make sure Xerneas and the others are healthy throughout the game.

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Plus Knock + U-Turn utility is very helpful.

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This is my team now.

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It's much better then it was prior.

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If you wonder why my Groundon has investment in bulk, it's to much easily take hits to set up, while also keeping its max speed stat, and even if it can't, it still hits like a truck.

gloomy bluff
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your team is great

gloomy bluff
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how do yall feel about physical xern

solemn zodiac
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no

gloomy bluff
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y

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geomancey is good

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but fast knock or taunt ruin it

solemn zodiac
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  1. into what fast knock or taunt are you staying in
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  1. pr is just worse than moonblast even if you can’t geo for whatever reason
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it’s just like

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no

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you also have worse coverage for NDUbers

gloomy bluff
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what about mixed

solemn zodiac
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that’s extra no

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you do not have much free EVs

hazy remnant
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do not ever run physical moves on xern brooo

desert flicker
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but they'll never expect it

solemn zodiac
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they’ll also never expect carnivine

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doesnt mean it’s good

hazy remnant
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alright sheist or naw

solemn zodiac
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the palk-o 😭

sonic sleet
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Not thunder wave.

hazy remnant
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(I forgot what the actual set was it ran now what was it)

quasi garnet
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sub over twave no? I prefer that at least

hazy remnant
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Im probably just not high enough ladder

gloomy bluff
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i know that sd would be better

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everything should synergize together well

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only problem ive had is no defog

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but i cant really fit it on

gloomy bluff
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  1. Your team must be competitive, and you must be willing to have it optimized. We will not stop you from using whatever team you want, but if it’s not competitive, it does not belong here. If you are building a "fun AG team" and don't want to use viable Pokemon because you don't like them, this is the wrong place.
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scrap the whole team

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at least is going to make a 99% loss rate

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and 100% unviable

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this seems more of a OU team

gloomy bluff
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yes

gloomy bluff
coarse crag
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no reason to have both cc and tera blast ground on zacian, not sure what the decoys ev spread and tera is meant to do. You don’t need twave on deoxys lead. home claws pdon really lacks in power, especially if you’re also running rock polish. Just run swords dance. Ekiller will rarely use recover, and you’d rather have earthquake to better hit targets like ndm and pdon. Xerneas does not need that much speed, and your tera on xern doesn’t do much for it

hazy remnant
fresh latch
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https://pokepast.es/83ff1b21c7161691
(Nat Dex AG) Team I made for a tournament with friends, I don't like the build too much but I do want to keep the garchomp and empoleon if anyone is willing to help with optimization. Not opposed to gimmicky and cheesey mons either, just want a decent comp team.

hazy remnant
fresh latch
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aw damn :/

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any recommendations?

blissful ferry
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nat dex uu

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please help

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really struggling with celeseteela

gloomy bluff
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I forgot to change my Tera to electric

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swap recover on ekiller for eq

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and lower the speed on xern

gloomy bluff
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basicly rebuild the team with things that are in ubers or ag teir

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I personally loved sash exadrill with brutal swing as it ohkoed calyrex shadow

sonic summit
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it can't respond to it well and boosted Thunders force it out

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stacking 3 steel types on one team isnt great so u could also try to run a check like Volcanion or Cinderace there

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think RotomWash > Aegislash, then Reuniclus > Garde could be cool

sonic summit
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really confused why you didnt choose a single uber or AG mon

ionic linden
ionic linden
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Thoughts?

sonic summit
# ionic linden Thoughts?

well for starters you're breaking your own arbitrary rules by adding a Dracovish

secondly please refer to rule 6 and 3 respectively
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woeful lintel
dry ridgeBOT
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worthy fjord
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Just cleaning something, if no one responds within 30 mins I'l l rate sorry ;-;

worthy fjord
# woeful lintel https://pokepast.es/53f9ce7c37cc14be mono grass mons, im not sure ogerpon corner...

Kartana is banned in National Dex Monotype

An "offensive" grass is generally not that great because your defensive options like Mega Venusaur and Ferrothorn are op, so if you choose to be defensive, you'd have to scrap a huge portion of the team for something like Mega Venu/Ferro/Ogerpon-C/Meowscarada + 2 mons of your choosing (pick between Hisuian Lili, Breloom, Sinistcha, Hydrapple, Zarude, Celebi). Ping meow again if you want to work with this instead

Alternatively, "sun grass" can be fun, but not really that great. Heat rock isnt banned and Whims can pivot anyway afterward, letting Venusaur/H.Lili/Scovillain with Chlorophyll get the maximum amount of turns. However, giving scary threats like Gouging Fire a boost isnt really ideal. A rough draft could be something like this ->https://pokepast.es/972213fedf1872c8 but ideally entry hazards (something like Ferrothorn could be somewhere, probably over H.Lili or Scov if you wanted to). Darkinium Memento is also notable, as its "Healing Wish" sort of

sullen jackal
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@zealous plover you rated a team for me for ndubers a few months ago, can i tag you? Lmao

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Sorry if i wasn't meant to sus

solemn zodiac
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aura sphere on mmy doesn't hit a lotta relevant stuff

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i think you'd want like

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ice beam to hit yvel zyg-c

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uh groundceus too if that's viable

gloomy bluff
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@coarse crag hey sorry for the ping but exactly why is recover on e killer not good

solemn zodiac
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it's not "not good"

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it's more team specific

gloomy bluff
solemn zodiac
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yeah that's because you were running HO

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you want offensive ekiller on those

gloomy bluff
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ive added all recomendations

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i would understand sr and spikes but that is sort of meh imo

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i changed gdon to a mixed

sullen jackal
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Ty

coarse crag
gloomy bluff
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well how is the team now

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also idk what it is but my calc has been messed up and i need to refresh it half a dozen times

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it kept saying shadow claw did eq to ndm

coarse crag
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Xern does not need that much speed or spdef, deoxys still wants another tera and probably prefers magic coat over knock for other deoxys leads. (still not sure what the deoxys spread is for) Zacian wants tera fighting to better handle ndm and pdon, and arceus needs a more optimized spread

gloomy bluff
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wa

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tb ground was for ndm and pdon

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and oposing zacian

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+1 252 Atk Tera Ground Zacian-Crowned Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 248 HP / 72+ Def Prism Armor Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 229-270 (57.6 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

+1 252 Atk Tera Fighting Zacian-Crowned Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 72+ Def Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 229-270 (57.6 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

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+1 252 Atk Tera Ground Zacian-Crowned Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 248 HP / 56+ Def Groudon-Primal: 254-300 (63 - 74.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

+1 252 Atk Tera Fighting Zacian-Crowned Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 56+ Def Groudon-Primal: 190-225 (47.1 - 55.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

coarse crag
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you either use tb ground or cc

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not both

gloomy bluff
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cc is to hit arc dark

coarse crag
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darkeus doesn’t wanna come in on zacian either way

gloomy bluff
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or ekiller

coarse crag
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run swords dance/behemoth blade (or play rough)/wild charge and tb ground or cc last

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if you wanna scare out arceus and ekiller, use cc, if you wanna scare ndm and pdon, use tb ground

gloomy bluff
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why would i go play rough

coarse crag
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hits zygarde better but behemoth blade is generally a lot better

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play rough is quite niche

gloomy bluff
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I have xern to hit zyg-c

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why would i risk my steel type to a ground type

gloomy bluff
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why would i want to tera my lead that is prob gonna die turn 1

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plus why would it need magic bounce if I only need hazards to destroy (saddly) sash

coarse crag
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  1. Just cause you have xerneas doesn’t mean you’re zyagrde matchup is foolproof, if zygarde walls zacian forever, even if xern can check it, zacian won’t be able to progress.
  2. You really aren’t risking Zacian vs Zygarde. If you click sword dance when it comes in, instead of being walled with behemoth blade, you instead knock it out with play rough. You aren’t really risking Zacian.
  3. Even if you’re not often gonna tera deoxys, it doesnt cost anything to have a tera on it either way. A tera you only use in 1 out of 1000 games is better than a tera you won’t use.
  4. You need magic coat to better help vs other deoxys speeds with magic coat of their own. Just mental herb still loses to magic coat deoxys leads.
ionic linden
ionic linden
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can someone please give suggestions on my team?

gloomy bluff
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@coarse crag yo bro sorry about yesterday, you were trying to help and I was in some type of mood

tall girder
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https://pokepast.es/8a07af44b5286883 I'm making a Defense Legendaries team but I'm not sure what sets to use for these guys. I just want help making viable sets in a vaccum. The only request is for Special Eruption PDon

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And yes

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The set up is fucking dog water

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Ik

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:)

coarse crag
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a majority of these pokemon aren’t good in the slightest in the tier, you probably wanna scout through the viability rankings first and foremost

tall girder
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Yeah, The challenge makes it hard, since the only remotely viable mons are Glastrier and groudon

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I'm less worried about Glast cus I've used it before

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The next highest Uber def is Melmetal

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I could use mega slowbro and Toxapex buuuut idk

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WHich is worse, Stakataka or Regirock?

coarse crag
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you’re only supposed to send teams that are meant to be competitively made for the tier it’s in (i. e. no extra challenges, or making the team bad on purpose)

tall girder
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Ohh

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Mb

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I didn't know

coarse crag
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no worries

gloomy bluff
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all the other rules #1030567099703242903 message

ionic linden
sonic summit
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i would just scrap the team and try to build.something based off of the viability rankings hosted on the forums

gentle marsh
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ND Ubers, I've been playing HO Dual Screens with a suicide lead to a peak of 1640 elo/rank 99 NDUbers. Personal best achievement was when I had a rematch with offonoff (rank 4 1900 elo stall player) and won on a crazy Close Combat prediction to break into top 100. Looking for feedback on EVs/sets. Everything feels like it has pulled its weight so far, but I want to push for at least top 50 with this structure. Feedback is appreciated

https://pokepast.es/6c7c10c21e100050

coarse crag
# gentle marsh ND Ubers, I've been playing HO Dual Screens with a suicide lead to a peak of 164...

all out attacker kyogre on a screens team isn’t the best idea, swapping out water spout for cm should give some better results. You can fool around with the deoxys speed spreads to live some specific hits, 252/252 doesn’t give you a lot. I would also add an attacking move over magic coat as you’ll have a lot more struggles vs opposing focus sash leads without an attack on your own lead. Xerneas does not need tht much speed. I would go for a 401 ho spread, 88 speed evs, and put the rest into physical defense to get more set up opportunities, and more easily love priority move. Groudon does not necessarily need stone edge. +2 heat crash already does 90+ to hooh, and if you’re looking to hit stuff like giratina too, i’d probably scrap heat crash as a whole. Other nitpicks like arc not needing that much speed, and marsh preferring low kick over close combat can also be changed.

gentle marsh
# coarse crag all out attacker kyogre on a screens team isn’t the best idea, swapping out wate...

Thanks for the feedback, I didn't realise that the sample HO dual screens team that I based this off was your creation in the resources thread lol. Applied a bunch of changes, most notable being double dance PDon/CM Ogre and the EV edits to Arc/Deo/Xern. Arc got dropped to only outspeed neutral base 90s instead of outspeeding positive nature base 90 and Deo-S is IV'ed to survive a LO Jolly Marshadow's Shadow Sneak, two ESpeeds from Adamant LO EKiller after using Reflect on the 1st ESpeed turn and P-Ogre's Modest Water Spout after Light Screen. Enough speed to outspeed positive nature Deo-A suicide leads as well. I'm not sure if I'm aiming in the right direction for the Deo-S spreads but those were some common anti-lead situations I could think of

https://pokepast.es/7baf70312be8b03f

ionic linden
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Like do I just need to scrap the rest?

tall girder
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The only thing I really wanna keep is Stallugia, it works suprisingly well

ionic linden
tall girder
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Otherwise if everything else sucks then I'll let it go

tall girder
sonic summit
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look at the VR and try again

hazy remnant
# tall girder https://pokepast.es/b59f438736b94b10 A nat dex ubers team, I used viable mons, I...
  1. lugia and regieleki are not viable
  2. double dance pdon doesnt really fit well on this structure as it looks more like balance, the overheat or sd set would work better
  3. zygarde generally runs a coil set with coil toxic/dtail tarrows and rest with tera water
  4. icerider doesnt really fit on this structure either but if you wanted it you could run boots ig with sd horespower seedbomb lance teraground (wouldnt recommend it)
  5. defensive ho-oh should run SFire, Defog, Whirlwind, BBird/Toxic here tera grass here, if its offensive then it still applies but you could run eq over defog with tera ground
sonic summit
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Lugia is C- at best and you would only use it on very specific stall teams

hazy remnant
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yh

sonic summit
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any where else, its terrible

tall girder
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Ah

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Thanks!

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Is eternatus a good pick? And if so, what set is best? It's got possibly my favorite stat spread

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The idea was an offensive team with Lugia and Ho-Oh providing some sort of defensive support

ionic linden
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What exactly makes mega garchomp bad for doubles?

tall girder
ionic linden
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oh ok

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i mean im still going to use it

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i have sticky web as support

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but i cant beat those teams that use eevee right at the start

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or tailwinders

gloomy bluff
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wrong link

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i took some advice after my mood was over and it works pretty well

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i personally disliked having no recover on my ekiller but it worked pretty well

hazy remnant
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shouldn’t zacian just be simple max atk max spe jolly

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i think you’d rather put the defense evs on arc into the hp too

sonic summit
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what do any of these EVs do anyways

gloomy bluff
hazy remnant
gloomy bluff
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i get deo as having more bulk is odd and somthing never really used

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but arc does not really have weird evs

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bulker ekiller is better than max speed

hazy remnant
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dont distribute them like that it’s either all hp or nothing

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and i dont believe bulky ekiller fits this ho team regardless

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DeoS doesnt rlly need bulk at all its main function is vomit hazards and die

gloomy bluff
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if it stays alive then it can be death foder

hazy remnant
sonic summit
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i tihnk i ask u this everytime u do an RMT

gloomy bluff
coarse crag
gloomy bluff
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im in class so i will respond slowly sorry

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and ill show calcs and stuff in a bit

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+2 0 Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 196 HP / 4 Def Arceus: 369-435 (85.8 - 101.1%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
+2 0 Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 136 HP / 60 Def Arceus: 351-414 (84.5 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 0 Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 370-436 (83.3 - 98.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 0 Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 126 HP / 126 Def Arceus: 333-393 (80.8 - 95.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
^ jolly pdon

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252+ SpA Kyogre-Primal Origin Pulse vs. 136 HP / 4 SpD Arceus in Heavy Rain: 324-382 (78 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Kyogre-Primal Origin Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Arceus in Heavy Rain: 324-382 (72.9 - 86%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
^ modest

sonic summit
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Pdon looks like beliviable prep

gloomy bluff
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i just added poger as ive seen lots more of it

sonic summit
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yes but that isn't what the EVs are prepped for

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who is the speed for

gloomy bluff
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unboosted pdon

sonic summit
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Jolly Pdon is 306, this hits 290

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ada is 279

gloomy bluff
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oh i was calculating for defensive

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my foault

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fault

sonic summit
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?

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i don't follow because then the speed wouldn't be nessesary at all no?

gloomy bluff
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i was also calcing for defensive with the attacks

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+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 136 HP / 60 Def Arceus: 447-526 (107.7 - 126.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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presuming its not jolly it is garenteed

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+2 252 Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 136 HP / 60 Def Arceus: 406-478 (97.8 - 115.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO jolly is still bad

sonic summit
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i'm still really confused then

gloomy bluff
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yeah its a calc issue on my part

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i was doing it for more defensive sets for pdon

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not offensive

sonic summit
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ok but the speed EVs are just unexplained tho. and that is one out of 3 other mons (Deo-S and NDM) that need explaining

gloomy bluff
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for ndm i was basing it off the sample sets

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i just kinda smashed def dd and the untra pysical sets

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also as of now there is more pysical attackers then special

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or ones that dont resist

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xern gets beat up by ndm unless it is ultra necro

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so far ive not used ndm alot

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i wanted it to be bulky enough to still take hits post burst if needed

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0 Atk Necrozma-Dusk-Mane Sunsteel Strike vs. 188 HP / 8 Def Deoxys-Speed: 172-204 (59.7 - 70.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Necrozma-Dusk-Mane Sunsteel Strike vs. 188 HP / 8 Def Deoxys-Speed: 223-264 (77.4 - 91.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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im never gonna stay in on a lead pdon

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and ndm is the only other offensive lead ive seen

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i have to go to my next class and i wont have anything out for it so

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hope this was good enough, ill explain more

hazy remnant
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how would i go about bettering this team in order to better support specs lunala

coarse crag
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using yveltal over darkeus frees up an arceus slot and also helps with getting a pivot for lunala to get in safely

hazy remnant
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ig i could replace ndm with a different arc form like groundceus

coarse crag
sullen jackal
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So i built this

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Hope it's not garbage!!!!

sonic summit
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surely u dont need 5 seperate breakers and an arc ground

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just make pdon regular defensive (running spikes), NDM regular defensive too probably. Kyogre with Bulky CM rest

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not super sure on Salamence

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prob run Ho-Oh so you have an out vs Zacian-C

sullen jackal
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But i couldn't find the set on smogdex LMAO

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The rest seems fair enough

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Thanks lmao

sullen jackal
sonic summit
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Necrozma-Dusk Mane @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Prism Armor
EVs: 216 HP / 252 SpD / 40 Spe
Tera Type: Ground / Water / Grass / Fairy
Careful Nature

  • Sunsteel Strike
  • Earthquake / Knock Off / Swords Dance / Toxic
  • Stealth Rock / Knock Off / Swords Dance
  • Moonlight
sullen jackal
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Bet ty lol

quasi garnet
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use knock rock 🤑

gloomy bluff
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i personally prefer leftovers

gloomy bluff
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does mmence run adament or jolly

uncut gulch
solemn zodiac
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rule 5

sonic summit
uncut gulch
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Im interested in making a team based around shuckle though

sonic summit
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"based around" isnt feasible since it's job is to enable sweepers with webs support

uncut gulch
uncut gulch
gloomy bluff
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this team sucks

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best part of it is marshadow and Ribombee ( that is completely outclassed by shuckle)

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this is a old team I used to use before korai got banned

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it uses webs

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while it is not a very good team the shuckle is a base standard set

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also why would you have two hazard setters

gloomy bluff
# uncut gulch ?

Make sure that the team being posted is yours; do not ask for a rate for a team you did not build, including sample teams, tour players, and youtubers. This also includes any modifications to the teams, raters will simply tell you to use the original version.

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that was rule 5

uncut gulch
uncut gulch
solid sapphire
sonic summit
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i think tect Yveltal is also not the play here and rather u go Taunt or Sucker Punch.

gloomy bluff
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what sets would it even really run?

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i know sr and rapid spin

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but what else would it run

sonic summit
gloomy bluff
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101 speed

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good moveset

sonic summit
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ok but why as your rocker

gloomy bluff
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if you are using deo a

sonic summit
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it seems like a waste of potential

sonic summit
gloomy bluff
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i never see sr on attack

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but at the same time im still bordering 1500

sonic summit
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anyways Exca can beat opposing HO leads like Shuckle and Deo-S, thats why its used

gloomy bluff
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that makes a lot a lot of sence

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i did not think of that

grand spear
dry ridgeBOT
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grim cobalt
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The team looks okay, not sure if Cobalion is needed and I would use the slot to improve some other mu like water

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I also prefer rh/hdb on tusk and close to max def

grand spear
grand spear
runic sage
grand spear
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Eh alright

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Thanks

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Btw I still don't know what spread "close to max def" is

grand spear
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this?
Lilligant-Hisui @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Hustle
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Victory Dance
  • Close Combat
  • Leaf Blade
  • Ice Spinner
runic sage
grand spear
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Ok thx

runic sage
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I'll see if I can find a Tusk set

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Quickly

grand spear
runic sage
# grand spear <:wo:654330717240557585>

Yh I was thinking about it but it's enough with that set in my opinion Tusk likes the speed in ndm thanks to the higher speed tiers and its still quite bulky on the physical side

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If you find that it's not bulky enough you probably would have to go timid to reach some specific speed tiers then dump more evs into def

grand spear
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you mean jolly right

runic sage
gloomy bluff
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how do i counter tr

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i can keep it from getting up and stalling it out

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but they always end up getting at least 2 of my mons down if it does go up

coarse crag
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tera water zygarde

gloomy bluff
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k

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how would i fit it on this team

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that is my question

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also does pdon run jolly or adamant

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idk

buoyant jolt
grand spear
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Thank you

gloomy bluff
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nd ubers

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I tired to add some parts without making it so i need to rebuild the whole team

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although i should add defog over maybe toxic or brave

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idk

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i tried it and i just lost 3 games in a row

hazy remnant
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pdon should have heat crash over fire punch imo

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What is up with those ndm and arceus evs

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like what do they do

gloomy bluff
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i know i changed them

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i have no clue wtf i was thinking

uncut gulch
dry ridgeBOT
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random bluff
# uncut gulch nat dex mono normal https://pokepast.es/b03a5eae976bd26b

teams ok just:

there's no need to run trick room luna, you can very normally just run luna w/o tr support
so do ice beam discharge recover toxic/foulplay/hp fire on p2
luna can be given enough speed to outrun steela
use hlr > eq, and if u want drain punch is droppable for trailblaze or swords dance
uturn > cc on raptor
drop snorlax, its bad, use chansey or blissey over it
Preferably chansey so you can use wish protect to both have more pp than softboiled and also heal luna if it gets low
zoroark is fine, grass knot > psychic tho

uncut gulch
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it was actually for both luna and snorlax primarily

uncut gulch
random bluff
uncut gulch
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alr

keen zephyr
gloomy bluff
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ha

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no you wont

uncut gulch
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ly lax ❤️

dry ridgeBOT
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New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @soft lion, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @rocky saffron, @random bluff, @runic sage. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

uncut gulch
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mono rock nat dex

buoyant jolt
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This TTar should be a CB one imo

uncut gulch
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everyone keeps saying leftovers and band

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im really getting confused

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2 voting for band and 2 for defensive set

buoyant jolt
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Choice Band Ttar greatly enjoys the webs and doesnt sink momentum and also provides strong Pursuit support

uncut gulch
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one of them said there are better mons to run band on if im going to use it on tyranitar for mono rock

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so im leaning a bit more to my current set for him

uncut gulch
buoyant jolt
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eh tar tends to be one of if not the best CB user on Rock imo

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that tar set is more for slower Rock comps imo

uncut gulch
buoyant jolt
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whats the arc spread for?

uncut gulch
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i believe it was sd bullet punch mega scizor someone told me

buoyant jolt
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ooh thats cool actually

uncut gulch
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it was a 2 hit ko

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if i remember correctly

buoyant jolt
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Wild Charge > ESpeed maybe? Arc rarely clicks the 4th slot imo

uncut gulch
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+2 252+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 24 Def Arcanine-Hisui: 280-330 (84.5 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO'

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found it

buoyant jolt
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ooh ok good :3

uncut gulch
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most certaintly not flying

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i probably will if i find it useless though

uncut gulch
tall girder
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Nat dex RU Rain team

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It's not great so I want to try and improve it in some areas