NatDex OU Rates

[hollow fern]

For the altaria set i would replace hyper voice since its a special move and replace dragon rush with earthquake to hit fairies

For gambit replace stealth rocks with knock off

[tame galleon]

i thought it could be useful to have altaria be mixed
my first thought was actually Return/Draco Meteor

would that work ?

[tame galleon]

i already have knock tho ?

or should i just slap in defog hdb zapdos

[hollow fern]

Gambits job is to sweep/break and having rocks on it just hurts that role

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/004c7380a4ed657a this feels like crap

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

Since youre dragon dance i personally dont see the value in mixed

[tame galleon]

...that makes sense

[hollow fern]

No you want something more offensive here fs

Maybe torn-t?

[tame galleon]

you think i can do without a rocker ?

[hollow fern]

Gambits a really bad knock setter anyways since it loses to common removal such as great tusk. But yeah since youre a screens hyper offense you can do without rocks

[tame galleon]

https://pokepast.es/f506895b17c31276

here we are

[hollow fern]

Having rocks doesnt hurt but idk how well you can fit it here

[tame galleon]

(ignore messed up altaria investments)

[hollow fern]

Go nasty plot if you wanna use thund, using specs risks giving up momentum

[tame galleon]

forgot that existed

so Tbolt/Volt/Focus/Nplot ?

[hollow fern]

Also the grafaiai set should defo be changed a lil, id go swords dance+gunk shot+acrobatics/low kick (not sure which)+knock off

[hollow fern]

Use grass knock or focus blast instead of volt

[tame galleon]

gunk shot 80%

[hollow fern]

Youre not really gonna wanna switch much

[tame galleon]

that's what i thought but you spoke of momentum so i thought to keep it

[hollow fern]

Does way more damage, and inherintely hyper offense stacks inconsistent sweepers

[tame galleon]

alright

i'll admit i dont really build HO

[hollow fern]

Naw generally you wanna get momentum by sacking stuff

[hollow fern]

Lol fair but grafaiai is pretty bad and tossing it on a screens hyper offense is a good way to make pokemon like it work

[tame galleon]

how about that https://pokepast.es/0f4d9801736008ff

[hollow fern]

I would go taunt on koko fs since you have no removal and taunt can help keep off hazards

[tame galleon]

instead of tbolt i guess ?

[hollow fern]

Yeah and uturn instead of dazzling

I think shuca on hands is something worth considering

To lure ground types and kill them

[tame galleon]

shuca berry ?

[hollow fern]

yeah

maybe also z fighting on thund?

generally i just like having a z move user

especially on ho/offense

[tame galleon]

alright i'll try that and see how it goes then

thanks

[hollow fern]

np hope it goes well

[tame galleon]

well it cant go worse than what i had for sure

[tame galleon]

too vulnerable to fire/ground + fairy coverage IMO

[plain flare]

What do you guys think about my team. The main strategy I use is to have araqined use entrainment on blastoise or use endeavor and regileki to sweep teams

https://pokepast.es/e0268eb318848822

[tame galleon]

we have another channel for doubles give me a second

try natdex other tiers

[plain flare]

Ok thanks

[tame galleon]

yw

[lost wagon]

https://pokepast.es/a76ab554c1c9237a any tips (i think suicune is pretty useless)

[main mango]

Is it ok if I ask for a team here

Can someone give me 2-3 pog nat dex ou teams 🙏

[hollow fern]

I would check out the bazaar if you want teams

Theres a lot of good ones there

If you dont wanna use samples

[nocturne summit]

the first sentence either doesn't make sense or needs context, one flyer gives you a workable mu against ground mons especially with another using balloon, also half of the team resist fire so it can switch on it, alos wdym by 'fairy coverage'

[tame galleon]

your team is comprised of tyranitar (weak to ground/fairy)
excadrill (weak to ground/fire)
samurott-h (weak to fairy)
ghold (weak to fire/has a balloon)
altaria (weak to fairy)
the moment the steel types are out all you've got left is zapdos
and fire/ground coverage is way too common to take such a risk

[normal egret]

Where can I find current meta teams? Sample teams are outdated in my opinion.

[blazing moth]

they're barely old at all, but you can check ndpl dump

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/16b7ec7e5761895f this team I made a while, how can I make it better? I struggle with stall especially the ones with glis

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lost wagon]

anyone

[dreamy steppe]

Why meteor beam necroz
Is it not a physical set

[lost wagon]

nuh

[dreamy steppe]

Eh then why is ddance there

And x scissor

[lost wagon]

for boost

x scissor for coverage

[dreamy steppe]

But xscissor is physical

And ur also running attack evs

[lost wagon]

i would be spamming photon

[dreamy steppe]

Yaa but like ddance boosts attack and meteor beam boosts sp atk
Whaaa

[lost wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/fujiwara-scared-funny-kaguya-kaguya-sama-gif-18405678

[dreamy steppe]

Anyways I liek ur pfp jjk is cool

Imma sleep now tho gn

[stray cedar]

.

[empty olive]

you have great ideas keep it up man!

[tame galleon]

thanks !

[empty olive]

this looks good on paper what're ur struggles

I could see how some cheese offense can muscle past you but honestly for semisand this has a layer of something for everything

if there's any mons ur specifically weak too it'd be like stonerpon cause dengo has no bulk invest/recover

[nocturne summit]

some person said it's weak to fire and ground

[tame galleon]

i did

you forgot fairy too

even if that's made less important by the presence of two potent steel types on the team

[stray cedar]

anything i can do to improve this???

[empty olive]

ehh prob the weakest point I see is the rain mu

either that or how ur heavily reliant on drill for hazard control

so if u go against a stack team ur prolly losing the war of attrition considering only zap has boots

[tame galleon]

remove trailblaze on heracross he has 75 base speed

maybe put bulk up instead

maybe switch teleport for toxic on chansey

and i really think there's something better than reuniclus knock off

other than that i would put hdb on tornadus but that's personal preference z crystal is valid as well

team seems fine besides this

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/2a647b9bb13aae0b I feel like latios and lele overlap

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tame galleon]

they're both fast special attackers with a psychic stab
but that's all the overlap I see

[short pelican]

https://pokepast.es/b1c0efa65461011d

Could you please help me improve this team? I feel my team is lacking damage, so can I replace Weezing-Galar with Iron Valiant? (Format National Dex OU)

[nocturne summit]

both are technically wallbreakers

[tame galleon]

That's true
only possible issue would be over reliance on cinderace for physical attacks
but really i believe your team can work

[tame galleon]

no synergy dude

anyways

valiant can't hurt

only issue is you need something to clear rocks

or

you can change your mega to something that doesn't take 50% from them and possibly works better with your team

[tame galleon]

https://pokepast.es/93abae0536d9ed9d

i tried something again

[nocturne summit]

this is why I thought I can switch one of them to a physical attacker or set up

[nocturne summit]

doesn't pinsir need a lot of hazard control to be decent or just run it on HO team

also why leaf blade on val ;-;

also weavile does need good hazard control so you're team pretty much cooked against any hs or even someone persistent to set rocks up

av chomp is something

what's the specific set for val for?

[tame galleon]

idk i originally put energy ball but then i went 2 physical/2 special and didn't give much more thought to it

[empty olive]

for mega swampert brah

[tame galleon]

valiant ? Just coverage mixed attacker. In a perfect world, it can switch in, get the speed boost, and use it's coverage to clear most things

in reality it kinda...never kills

[empty olive]

top tier rain threat immune to tbolt

[tame galleon]

now that you mention it I do have an over-reliance on empoleon

[tame galleon]

...yeah exactly you got it

[empty olive]

no speed control

lu has too much pressure to whirwind everything that boosts up

[nocturne summit]

how can I fix that?

[empty olive]

replace lati prob

not much point with a lele

alt u can replace lele

lati prolly breaks easier

[nocturne summit]

does switch for bolt cm z move set while making lele scarf work?

[empty olive]

ig but I don't see the point in not just using a zama or shifu instead

of lele

[nocturne summit]

to be fair I was scared of priority users esp gambit

I feel like I'd need set up to

[empty olive]

lele and bolt don't mix

[nocturne summit]

oh...I'm dumb

[empty olive]

adding a lele doesn't really solve ur gambit issues

[nocturne summit]

for sucker punch mostly

[empty olive]

it adds a good way to force them out once u get a safe switch if ur not choiced but you can just use aformentioned zama/shifu to do the same thing

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/71d0f09de14da80e is this better?

[blazing moth]

it's not top tier and tbh, the team still loses to rain

[tame galleon]

not bad

[empty olive]

joking

[blazing moth]

packing fog and hazards on the same mon is pretty disfunctional

[blazing moth]

ah

[empty olive]

the leaf blade is to kill annoying stall quagsires

[blazing moth]

[tame galleon]

yeah...i know :/
maybe i should just go fog and roost

play without hazards somehow

[tame galleon]

quag is neutral tho

[blazing moth]

js give them to

chomp

[empty olive]

prolly but ur changing so much around

[blazing moth]

huh

[tame galleon]

chomp needs the AV tho

[blazing moth]

why

[empty olive]

might as well just use mlato

[tame galleon]

nvm confused quag and clod

[tame galleon]

it's fun

it kinda works

i just need to readjust the IVs

because i gave him too low a defense

[empty olive]

its holding 2 rindo berries watch out!

[tame galleon]

but people don't expect a tanky chomp with attacks

[blazing moth]

ion see what it does that spdef tankchomp doesn't tho

[nocturne summit]

again I feel like I need set up so I don't get stalled out

[blazing moth]

like the playstyle is literally the same too

js w rocks

[tame galleon]

yeah but av boost tho

[blazing moth]

js give it spdef evs

it's gonna be the same in practice

kinda

[tame galleon]

let me check

[blazing moth]

like av doesn't help you with anything specific

you take hits better but you cant use toxic

it's like using dnite w no dd

[empty olive]

that's more of a stall issue only w mlato

and bolt doesn't break stall when they got a unaware spdef clod/clef

if u want to fix that ur gonna have to also get rid of cinderace for a better breaking core but atp ur kinda just ruining a bunch of the team

maybe try glowking > mola

[blazing moth]

btw fog corv seems p unnecessary w ace here

which is like enough control to begin with

I'd use a more offensive rocker tho

like sd chomp/lando

[nocturne summit]

idk about that, cinder feels a bit not enough

[blazing moth]

mola should probably be a slowbro too for breaking pex

[blazing moth]

it's enough for how offensive your team is fs

worst case js put a magic bounce guy there

[nocturne summit]

I'm sticking with previous version since apperently I can't break stall

https://pokepast.es/e233bf7c40af0837 this one

[blazing moth]

that one's fine too

I'd still go bp over fog tho

[blazing moth]

this also helps w stall btw

u can do that on the current

[nocturne summit]

won't I have a problem with zard-y?

[blazing moth]

imo bro>mola
chomp>bolt
knock off filler>lu
maybe tornadus>corv too but corvs fine

[blazing moth]

bolt/chomp deal w it

[nocturne summit]

what's good as a knock off filler?

https://pokepast.es/4ed579adfee16009 this is where I'm at

[blazing moth]

kgb looks good as last slot here

or sciz

prolly sciz

[tame galleon]

alright i'm convinced

[nocturne summit]

mega?

[blazing moth]

yuh

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/f8d0b303f0a770da

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty olive]

how shit can you make a webs team before it's actually shit

[nocturne summit]

no webs setter?

[blazing moth]

js dont autolose to cinderace is my bare minimum

other than that u can slot whatever is mildly offensive if u doing webs for funsies

try iron leaves

[nocturne summit]

bro I cannot NOT crackle when I see your pfp

[jagged ember]

https://pokepast.es/9cdfab45fedd584a

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jagged ember]

i created this team but it has not any stealth rock or spike setter, i don't know if it would be better to change something to put a setter

[blazing moth]

corv and zard can go for setters/not something so weak to rocks in the case of the latter

[blazing moth]

today's the last day so take your last look ig

[nocturne summit]

😭

[empty olive]

are all hos inheriently cheesy

[tame galleon]

• webs setter
• silvally water
• regigigas
• slaking
• scarf archeops (for cinderace)
• whatever

is this bad enough

[blazing moth]

,

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/7f52d8d5a7c26cdb

also how does this sample work its a sample but it lowk looks kinda buns

for being ho this feels more like regular offense and has a total of 2 setup mons

[nocturne summit]

hopes and dreams probably, also yeah it looks more like offense then HO

[hollow fern]

Ive used this before and it defo plays like ho

Twave ghold is basically setup

And terap is glue

While ival can be tradebot

Oh also terap is modest so its less passive than you would think

[tame galleon]

i'll take that as a yes

[tame galleon]

destiny bond valiant what is this cooking bro

the rest of the team rocks (even tho volc without hdb) but destiny bond valiant

[hollow fern]

its to act as a tradebot

[hollow fern]

also non boots volc is pretty standard on ho so idk what u mean

the power goes pretty crazy and ho is generally offensive enough to keep rocks off

[blazing moth]

this is pretty standard on no setup vals

[blazing moth]

anyways this looks like it's more abt trading smart a lot then just setup with 5 different mons

idk tho i didn't play ts

it's js looks like it's more suited into mus into more offensive stuff

not like u cant touch fats but w tradebot val and non cm pagos it js looks better for that

[tame galleon]

i mean yeah but wouldn't it be more efficient to go all-in with the offensive output

[tame galleon]

i believe you
it's just so goofy

[tame galleon]

i mean i'm the guy who puts HP IVs on his volcarona

on most setup sweepers tbh
so that's personal but it bugs ( 🥁 ) me

[empty olive]

so ho is more than just setup and sweepers?

[empty olive]

but can't it also be hella passive

even w hex it doesn't threaten gliscor and electrics kinda just throw attacks into it

at least compared to just standard np

[hollow fern]

it does threaten stuff tho-balloon makes it 1v1 grounds decently well since you can click hex a couple times. In terms of electrics theres only really zap and bolt, which you have tools for, like wellspring, trading with ival, chomp if its still around

ofc its not some big breaker but its not exactly some big passive mon

and z is on volc

[empty olive]

with the investment hex doesn't 2hko spdef gliscors, not to mention you get chunked too hard by eq

if gliscor is no knock or uturn then ig it depends if balloon is perserved

and the electrics part is just saying how electrics just get free entry

and from there it's rough on you

[hollow fern]

i feel like this is just positioning and play tho is what im saying-like imo just feels like saying gambit is bad cause it lets zama in for free

[hollow fern]

yeah balloon lets that 1v1 be a lot nicer but even without you have a wellspring who is taking eqs and using that guy as opportunity to press buttons

i see what you mean i just dont think its like-that crazy to run balloon twave ghold on ho

like its still an offensive guy who acts as like-glue/cleaner ig you could say

[empty olive]

what counts as glue

[hollow fern]

hm ig to me its like-bulky ghold, terap, dnite, sash pult

like guys who if smth goes wrong can act as temperary stopgaps

to draw a comparison twave ghold is sorta like those old hos during pult meta that used sash dual status pult

https://pokepast.es/3c885ec469b97f78

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

like this sample

oops didnt mean to trigger that

but yeah like that guy isnt some big breaker/sweeper either

but they kinda help solidify the team

[empty olive]

so stuff that can live a hit and reset momentum?

bc that sounds like a pivot

and besides that

https://pokepast.es/0c13187d69870ccb

comparing to this, even though it has a bunch more immideate threats

it feels like I can't put pressure where I want

is that a trading thing too or am I overlooking smth in the builder

[hollow fern]

Naw these guys deal with pokemon offensively

Pult/ghold can be thrown into stuff like rapid spinners or setup guys to die and regain momentum but you arent as passive as pivots are

You are still inherintely an offensive pokemon

[blazing moth]

i mean you still have setup and sweepers

i think you js need a more refined gameplan for a team like this than your avg ho

esp with how you use db val

[main mango]

https://pokepast.es/19c64c0386ea95ee
Rate?

[vast fable]

https://pokepast.es/39cbd25a15d2a04c

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vast fable]

What pokemon should I send out first?

[spiral pivot]

https://pokepast.es/1b9aaa58f48da2b9 rate?

[celest merlin]

Hey @spiral pivot, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

[blazing moth]

depends on what ur facing but generally alolan nintetales here, anyw your team's pretty messy with the sets and archetype mixing I'd recommend you js take a look at samples/good rmt teams

[blazing moth]

looks ok outside of the blissey and no spin tusk

wishpassing seems redundant here

[vast fable]

ok thank you

[main mango]

Should I remove rocks?

[blazing moth]

remove cc

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/0cc08332cbbabc9f

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty olive]

maybe switch to spdef chomp and offensive z torn bc koko mu is shit?

[potent furnace]

tankchomp would go hard here yeah

[nocturne summit]

to be fair it might be just me but I feel like bolt can be a bit annoying, yeah you have a ground type but it dies to draconium-z and your other mons are either weak to it or too frail to survive a thunderclap, although melmetal should but still would be careful

252+ Atk Melmetal Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Raging Bolt: 278-328 (71 - 83.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO since it can't OHKO I would be careful

[empty olive]

ig but basically every ground dies from z bolt minus like lu and treads but even they die in the right scenarios

not that it isn't an issue tho, maybe smth like encore val gives me a little more security

or maybe smth like spdef tran too > melm but that might be od

melm handles everything besides like sun weather balls

[low bay]

SD Fightinium Z Cinderace + Mega Gardevoir BO team versions
https://pokepast.es/d9b26cb6fe3fa25f V1
https://pokepast.es/a360832ed6edff3f V2

[nocturne summit]

yeah some sort of disruption should be good for that

[tame galleon]

V1 is more powerful IMO

[quasi moth]

https://pokepast.es/2d0869ba96bf4b3a
hyper offense team (need advice)

[tame galleon]

tusk is weird man

other than that idk im not much of a HO player

ghold trick seems unusual too

i'll stop there before increasing my chances of giving bad advice again

[empty olive]

tusk isn't weird on ho

[empty olive]

ur sets aren't complete but just replace scarf on dengo w a balloon or z so you can make it setup

the tusk set is prolly ass I'd go either rocks or bulk up not both

smogon recommended ev fill the rest and ur fine

[low bay]

https://pokepast.es/7b35d17f51664ff8 Flyinium Z Landogambit Offense

[nocturne summit]

I feel like you lack special pressure

[quasi moth]

i have ice spinner instead of stealth rock

should i switch any pokemon tho?

[quasi moth]

rn i have scarf cuz of mega diancie

[blazing moth]

good bit of overlap here w double dark and steel

also scarf isnt rly good on ho

[quasi moth]

thats why fire is a problem

[blazing moth]

I'd keep ghold for an actual fairy resist, kgb can stay too ig and replace gyara with a waterpon

[quasi moth]

what if i want a mega evolution

i have used latios its pretty good

but idk

[blazing moth]

get it over kgb then

or js sack screens and get a diancie lead

[quasi moth]

which mega evolution would be the best with ho

[nimble finch]

Yeah

[blazing moth]

wdym yeah

[blazing moth]

u have a bunch of options but i recommend either xard if you dont wanna change a lot or dia/dia+zama if you wanna change the team a bit more
lmk what u think of these: https://pokepast.es/c01ac37fabd6b487
https://pokepast.es/c5afe3e333f0ec13

[quasi moth]

second one is nice

i havent tried charizard yet

why charizard X tho

i mean it does have less weaknesses

[blazing moth]

y cant use dragon dance effectively

or any setup really

[nimble finch]

He's fooling you

Pick Y and live peacefully

[blazing moth]

?

[hollow fern]

Y is not the choice for ho

A special attacker using dd versus a tough claws flare blitz spamming physical attacker using dd

[empty olive]

there's like a variety when it comes to defining smth as a stallbreaker r?

like it can be something as simple as a taunt mon, or just a really damn powerful mon

so what's like the main thing that a stallbreaker needs to be a stallbreaker

[low bay]

Which team is work best with AV Hoodra
https://pokepast.es/ce685cb45f7e8a84
https://pokepast.es/fec46e77166613dd

[nocturne summit]

stallbreaker can be a really powerful breaker or a mon with toxic and taunt that is decently bulky

[nocturne summit]

av hoodra would need knock off, the first one feels like like the zard-y mu is kinda hell, the second is slightly better but feels kinda slow with only zama being the only mon with good spe the zard-y issue is less here but still exists

SLIGHTLY less, zama the only one has a chance everything else is doomed

[blazing moth]

stall tries to control the tempo of the game, if a mon just doesn't let stall do that (outlasting them, punching through them or disrupting them) are a good way keep stall in check

imo tho just because you do these things doesn't mean you're a stall breaker though (like taunt ival still gets fried by stall bc taunt is not for stall anyways), i feel like something is a stall breaker the moment it starts to go out of it's way to mess with more passive teams instead of just doing it by default (like np ghold or clef arent because they dont try to but scarf ghold or taunt heatran is)

[tame galleon]

why would taunt not be good against stall ?

ah wait nvm

forgot about the positioning/switching thing

[covert dome]

I did a mess

Its orrible

I still want to use something like this with a trick room strategy but i really dont know what change to make it way better

[hollow fern]

I would start with some sample teams to learn the tier, 4 out of 6 of these Pokemon are basically unusable/outclassed and these sets in general are pretty messy

[covert dome]

Hm

[hollow fern]

Trick room is a pretty specific archetype that basically just fits three trick room setters+three tr abusers

This team is just super all over the place honestly

[covert dome]

I see

Thanks for this advice

[hollow fern]

https://pokepast.es/9f277cab44a6f67d

Heres a good pretty standard trick room to give you an idea of what they look like if you wanna explore it

[covert dome]

Alright!

Thx

[hollow fern]

👍

[cyan moon]

https://pokepast.es/ae63e7055564cd5c
Anyone can give me suggestions for my hyper offense team? I'm starting playing Pokemon showdown

[low bay]

https://pokepast.es/320d7774efe1616a
https://pokepast.es/bd6fe6380b577d14
https://pokepast.es/e961003f18a0270e

Which of these versions of the team is better and is working really well?

[gaunt stirrup]

why does your pokepaste look like that

it’s nearly unreadable

[gaunt stirrup]

hey man what’s your problem with stall
(Im joking, go on with your day beautifully good sir)

[cyan moon]

I don't know, anyways, can you help me?

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/9bafd39391a2bb1e how bad is this

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

meantal herb hatt is pointless

[cyan moon]

No one?

[nocturne summit]

oh wait yeah magic bounce, I'm dumb

[blazing moth]

yea

anyways other than it's like ok

it's just tr

so like it's always looking the same

[nocturne summit]

eject botton?

[blazing moth]

fairy z misty explosion or sash

[blazing moth]

choice items are bad in ho, i think this also a bit too offense coded to be good with the rilla+hawlucha and no setup tusk, p weird archetype mix w the screens

[cyan moon]

What do you think I can change? I'm new at this sorry 😓

[low bay]

Is these teams are good? All these teams can work well? Which is better? Is this team is good? How much elo it can get?

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/3885ca50dc1f91af ho

[cyan moon]

Anyone can help me?

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/2191cb8efa0cb7a7 offense

[empty olive]

since ur just starting out I'd reccomend using sample teams

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/

[cyan moon]

Yes but I wanna use Hawlucha 😔

[tame galleon]

maybe do the paste again but in an understandable way cause this is painful atm

anyways

wtf are you cooking with that hawlucha

just run white herb CC unburden acrobatics

the others idk

[cyan moon]

https://pokepast.es/6257d972264b51f0

[tame galleon]

https://pokepast.es/9bd37a7c99839a2f

[tame galleon]

how about that

i kept hawlucha since you said you wanted to use it and replaced rilla with waterpon following trufs' advice

you should be able to deal with most things relatively easily

but then I do HO once in never so

[cyan moon]

just a little problem

[tame galleon]

ahh yeah that

throw out volc and put draconium bolt

trust

[cyan moon]

what is that?-

[tame galleon]

raging bolt with draconium Z, thunder clap, draco meteor, volt switch, and whatever as the 4th move

[cyan moon]

i have a trauma with salamence

[tame galleon]

similar breaking power

[cyan moon]

oh ok

[tame galleon]

no one running salamence in ndou2026 dude dw

[cyan moon]

ihatemylife

[cyan moon]

i see 4 yesterday

[cyan moon]

Fairy

[hollow fern]

stacking weaknesses is generally not nearly as much of a problem for hyper offense, i personally wouldnt advise relying purely on tools like this for smth like that

if you make ghold bulky u have a good countermeasure to fairies

[cyan moon]

oh ok

[tame galleon]

yeah besides what are the fairies in the tier really

valiant

diancie-m sometimes

the occasional play rough from waterpon

[cyan moon]

do you think that team is good?

[tame galleon]

im not sure if clefable's there ?

[hollow fern]

i would personally advise using electric seed on hawlucha and going koko>grimm

screens koko

that way you get a defense boost and the immediate unburden

imo power herb is much more gimmicky

you also free up a move slot for encore/sub

[cyan moon]

k i use that build for hawlucha because i see it in a youtube guide 🥀 for ho

[hollow fern]

if i had to guess the guides prolly for an older gen or smth

hawlucha only really uses seed sets

in gen 9 nd

[cyan moon]

i dont know if i should change great tusk

[tame galleon]

then why not go for treads instead of tusk

to capitalize on the terrain

and get lefties + quark drive boost

or something

[hollow fern]

no setup tho

[cyan moon]

ye

[hollow fern]

which is pretty iffy on ho imo

id personally go volc>bolt and koko>grim

if you wanna switch tusk to treads you can prolly just make it a lead set and itll work fine

[cyan moon]

i dont know

[tame galleon]

it removes both a flying and a fairy weakness just saying

which get mitigated by volc (resist fairy) and koko (counters flying)

[cyan moon]

but i cant use treads as a setup no?

[tame galleon]

wdym setups

[hollow fern]

https://pokepast.es/99c330d8887f8580

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

you could do smth like this

and just use it as a suicide lead

[tame galleon]

yeah

[hollow fern]

https://pokepast.es/67bed1fc71d8515b changed the volc set just noticed it

[cyan moon]

mb, not setup, suicide lead

[tame galleon]

you can def suicidelead with treads

[tame galleon]

substitute AND swarm ? won't the sub prevent swarm's activation ?

[hollow fern]

no

it only cares about the health youre at

sub helps you get there

[tame galleon]

Oh so the goal is like use sub twice eat damage once then fire bugium bug buzz ?

that's an interesting strategy

[hollow fern]

i mean once you qd ur faster than basically everything so u can sub up to gurantee u get into swarm range

and if ur opponent lets you keep the sub up you have insurance against prio from stuff like samu or shifu so they cant kill you

bug buzz gets some really absurd calcs lol

+1 252 SpA Swarm Volcarona Savage Spin-Out (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 200+ SpD Garchomp: 553-652 (131.6 - 155.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+1 252 SpA Swarm Volcarona Savage Spin-Out (175 BP) vs. 8 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Alomomola: 502-592 (106.1 - 125.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[topaz mist]

Can I get some feedback? https://pokepast.es/bbf127d7ec9eadf5

[hollow fern]

imo rain isnt really that helpful here, id either fully commit to it or drop it in favor of building up the etterain core you have

i think mixing the two is kinda just lackluster

[topaz mist]

Oh alright, say if I were to fully commit to the E surge what mons would I drop? Politoad?

[cyan moon]

thanks for the team, i love it

[hollow fern]

yeah

[hollow fern]

np, hope it performs well!

[slow crown]

https://pokepast.es/e6a5a935ca65f6e7 can i get some feedbacks? im new to comp pokemon

[hollow fern]

pult and tera are banned in natdex

i would personally use sample teams as a starting point for learning the tier

theres a lotta good ones that are easy to pick up and learn whats good

[slow crown]

damn

sorry but, what is natdex?

[hollow fern]

its basically a format where instead of only using the pokemon in gen 9, you have access to every single pokemon and gimmick, such as z moves and mega

so you have access to everything thats been in the game(if its legal obv)

[slow crown]

ohhh thats cool, but tera is the only gimmick that is banned?

[hollow fern]

dynamax as well

[slow crown]

aight

[hollow fern]

if you wanna see if the team ur using is legal, you can put the format into showdown here and then click validate and itll tell u

[slow crown]

oh tysm man

[hollow fern]

👍 np

[slow crown]

can i ask you a off topic question?

[hollow fern]

sure lol

[slow crown]

which one is more played? gen 9 OU or natdex OU?

[hollow fern]

gen 9 ou fs

current gen ou is basically always gonna be the most played format

defo a good place to start off since its gonna be a lot more active

with resources and such

[slow crown]

aight

tysm

🙏

[hollow fern]

hope u end up enjoying showdown lol

lotta really cool stuff about the site imo

very accessible as well

[slow crown]

i wish i could use N avatar

😢

[cyan moon]

hawlucha sweeping so hard 🙏🙏

[hollow fern]

you actually can! click on the avatar here after clicking on ur user in the top right, and you can scroll down and find the n avatar

[hollow fern]

lmao hawlucha defo can be super scary

[slow crown]

yoooo thats so cool

dayum

[hollow fern]

yeah theres a really large amount lol

[slow crown]

getting hyped

[cyan moon]

win against stall team, thanks for the team :D

[hollow fern]

yo thats sick!

beating stall with ho is cool lol

howd u do it?

[cyan moon]

can i send the replay here? my opponent was dumb in his decisions i think :,v

lucky

[hollow fern]

lol sure

[cyan moon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2560638978
I guess it matches me against low-level players (like me)

[hollow fern]

nice win!

and yeah the ladder uses an elo system so it matches u up against similar level opponents

[cyan moon]

thanks, u think i play decent?

[hollow fern]

I think you risked ghold more than you needed to

[topaz mist]

https://pokepast.es/4301f454b1f69417 I tried to fully commit to the E surge but I feel like it isn't the best. Any feedback?

[cyan moon]

Oh, yes, I need to practice more with the team, thanks again :D

[hollow fern]

Np! Glad its been having success

[cyan moon]

Last question, that points I get playing is like ranked or that's casual mode?

[hollow fern]

the points you get contribute to your elo, which does decide your ranking

higher elo means higher rank

[cyan moon]

Ohh, thanks, another question (sorry) my team works in ou?

[hollow fern]

nah ur all good

and wdym? like is it a legal team?

or is it good?

[cyan moon]

Both

[hollow fern]

if u wanna check if ur team is legal you can click validate and itll tell u if ur using smth thats banned

and imo ur team defo has some potential, but its harder to say without having tested the team

there probably are stuff im overlooking

/got wrong

[cyan moon]

Oh ok, thanks again, have a good day/night

[empty olive]

bump

2 blacephalons

[blazing moth]

loses p bad to kgb/ttar

most darks rly

[empty olive]

even w colbur press bro

?

ig it's more of a lure than check but it's usually pretty effective

anyway wb the ho?

[tame galleon]

what you built isnt ho

that im sure of

now how to fix it

idk im sorry

[nocturne summit]

your HO team isn't HOing

[blazing moth]

idk man when everything else ts weak to kgb js feels pretty clumsy at best

like your ghold should at least have focus here atp

hamu kgb especially solo u

[blazing moth]

lead treads/lando>tusk

imo sack a recovery move on either dnite of sciz

trying too hard to stick around

instead of just killing shit

[tame galleon]

could do with EE and CC

[empty olive]

roost on sciz is to be a more reliable answer to stuff like scarf lele

team is pretty weak to that and prolly like valiants wout it

roost on dnite was kinda just a set pick

makes it the eater of balances, ig I could replace it but it's kinda my glue here so I'd rather not replace the item, which means prolly no dragonium z or loaded dice

and tusk was just an check to kgb

ig I alr got alot against it with sub spam but tbh that's not ness reliable esp

[empty olive]

also more on this

I feel like I already have good coverage for everything

again I could replace them bc more is always nice but idk if it outweighs the negatives of lasting past aforementioned lele/val

[blazing moth]

yeah sure it's probs better to sack it on dnite anyways

loaded dnite looks better

[low bay]

https://pokepast.es/cce667e8e88d604c Dhelmise Hazard Stack team

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/9b9d12dc46cd1088

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

you need something for yard

try mega latios over slowbro

keeps a similar defensive profile while also giving you a good answer to yard

[empty olive]

assuming tio not tia

[potent furnace]

latios yeah

latias isnt bad either but latios is probably better

[nocturne summit]

isn't something like av mola good as well with this?

[potent furnace]

another option yeah

[quasi juniper]

how is this team is it a keeper https://pokepast.es/a4493079ccfe26b8

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rigid atlas]

https://pokepast.es/c59d8ac26d043543

Any chance this team can do better?

[blissful ingot]

https://pokepast.es/3f1c332fb0645959 RMT had a lot of sucess so far

[surreal condor]

https://pokepast.es/54a3c489736bbdb5
really basic team imo wondering what i could add to make it not so predictable

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

Im ngl none of these sets are basic except ceru

[surreal condor]

the mons imo are basic and the team composite

[hollow fern]

Av tusk, cm lati, and that woger set arent really used at all and band meow is niche at best

This team is also missing requirements like rocks or speed control

[surreal condor]

i have speed control in the form of rock tomb op if it counts..

[hollow fern]

Naw it doesnt speed control is immediate speed

[surreal condor]

like a fast mon?

[hollow fern]

To revenge kill pokemon

Yeah

[surreal condor]

i thought meowscarada was fast enough or like shadow sneak with ceru

[hollow fern]

Smth like a pokemon with choice scarf or zamazenta

[surreal condor]

is swapping meow for scarf lando a good play?

[hollow fern]

Eh it can depend but imo this is too weak to like fast mons like zama or torn to be considering good emough

[hollow fern]

Im ngl I think this team kinda just lacks direction and is overall kinda too weird?

Id personally recommend looking at samples to learn what is good in the meta

[surreal condor]

hmm i see your point esp on the lacking direction part

im mainly learning the meta by playing it instead of looking at samples

[hollow fern]

I dont think this can really be made pretty "standard" with one or two changes

[hollow fern]

Playing the meta with samples really helps highlight whats good imo

[surreal condor]

can i show you some of my other teams maybe?

[hollow fern]

I used them to learn the meta and it was very helpful

[hollow fern]

Sure if you want

[surreal condor]

https://pokepast.es/1db2b945d6d06ffe

heres an electric terrain team i tried out

[hollow fern]

I think this is also a good example of lacking direction, for example, koko+ival is a very offensive core but then you have a random clod that really slows things down

And again the sets are pretty weird in general, like ival using sash instead of specs, z, or life orb

[surreal condor]

hmm i see i sort of got my set from sv ou

where sash val is more common

[hollow fern]

Yeah in natdex thinga are pretty different

Since ur abusing the terrain to be super fast you wanna use damage boosting items

[surreal condor]

what would be a team with good direction in your opinion

[hollow fern]

Z moves especially really change things

[hollow fern]

Like-as an example?

[surreal condor]

Yep

[hollow fern]

https://pokepast.es/cae7270d688ae7c0

Heres an example etterain team

[surreal condor]

i see i think im grasping it now, thanks for the help

[hollow fern]

Np I wish you luck

[surreal condor]

do you know any other pokemon that syngerizes well with eterrain? like another quark drive pokemon besides ival

[hollow fern]

Iron crown and treads

[blissful ingot]

https://pokepast.es/3f1c332fb0645959 RMT had a lot of sucess so far

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/e13d3fae47094e26

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

bulkynp ghold and a more solid pon check > vqliaht is the way to go here, dragonite or mega latios doesnt seem too bad for that

[limber crypt]

drop garg and clod but im not rly sure for whom, lele and waterpon come ro mind but this team doesnt really need more offensive pressure it just wants to keep up momentum so zama tar exca can come in and do big damage

[nocturne summit]

so I have to give tar rocks if I'm removing garg?

[hollow fern]

https://pokepast.es/928d7473eb29d15c @limber crypt

[blissful ingot]

https://pokepast.es/9223bd2002d182de

[blissful ingot]

Changed latias to hdb dnite

[tame galleon]

i think power whip > horn leech tbh

ruination sounds good but ting lu has 110 attack

just use Payback or smth

ghold without make it rain is a choice but i guess you can make it work
the nickname is a choice as well

zama without bpress 🤔

moltres and latios are fine imo

[tame galleon]

dude what are you talking about there is no dnite on your paste

[gaunt stirrup]

isnt it 100

[hollow fern]

Theyre saying that they changed the paste to include a dnite

[celest merlin]

Ting-Lu (Gen 9)

Typing

Dark / Ground

Abilities

0: Vessel of Ruin

Base Stats (BST: 570)

155 / 110 / 125 / 55 / 80 / 45

Weight

699.7 kg (120 BP)

Gender Rate

Genderless

[hollow fern]

When there wasn't one before

[gaunt stirrup]

Oh wow

this mf strong

[hollow fern]

Also this is very standard, only id runs bp

[tame galleon]

it is 110

[tame galleon]

i don't see it

[hollow fern]

No they didnt post the new paste lol

Theyre just saying they changed the old paste

[tame galleon]

just thought it weird since higher def, def-boosting ability, yknow ?

but if that's a thing then by all means go on

[hollow fern]

Ur investing into attack

With zama

[tame galleon]

yeah it's pretty crazy (free wo-chien)

[tame galleon]

yeah but that's for crunch right ?

[hollow fern]

Also ur attack is higher after you re enter the field

[hollow fern]

It means cc is hitting a lot harder than bp, especially with the higher base power

[tame galleon]

😔

that makes sense

i should have thought of it

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/5767dfafe4389ed8

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/c452b75db00f5b06

https://pokepast.es/0257a4fa057d72b0

[nocturne summit]

isn't just m-swam better on a rain team?

[nocturne summit]

what does reflect type do again?

[empty olive]

mswampt isn't as strong nor as fast as skewda

my reasoning is that I don't care about being locked into a water move mainly because I'm flipping 90% of the time when I go skewda

jab ohkos wellspring so its a chance they lose their water immune every time they want to swap then

not only that, mdia provides an offensive spiker that can hit mons like bolt pretty hard

[empty olive]

reflect type is most likely a mistake, I wanted a mon to deal with a bunch of extreme threats, like subroost kyu, blaziken, and yard all at once

I don't think reflect type goes past sub so in that case it doesn't completely wall kyu

prolly will change that to like draco or smth

[nocturne summit]

thunderbolt 😈

[celest merlin]

Reflect Type (Gen 9)

Causes the user's types to become the same as the current types of the target. If the target's current types include typeless and a non-added type, typeless is ignored. If the target's current types include typeless and an added type from Forest's Curse or Trick-or-Treat, typeless is copied as the Normal type instead. Fails if the user is an Arceus or a Silvally, if the user is Terastallized, or if the target's current type is typeless alone.

Type

Normal

Category

Non-Damaging

Power

0

Accuracy

0

PP

15 (24)

Priority

0

Target

Any adjacent

Flags

• Ignores a target's substitute.
• Can be selected by Metronome.
• Blocked by protection moves.

[tame galleon]

that's worthless

that's like conversion2 if it was bad

[empty olive]

not entirely

in matchups like kyurem, it takes away ur ice weakness

against toxapex, it stops you from getting toxic'd

against ttar and gambit, it changes it so you resist the pursuit

[blazing moth]

doesn't this get cucked by Ogerpon-W

u have no cane zap and ur water resist is fini

i dont think hp ice zap cannot be this valuable

u can trick scarf into glisc and sub on lando/glisc w +3 zama too

surely ur fine without hp ice

i also think the speed on treads is pretty pointless because anything with the 295 speed tier still wins 1v1's against that moveset anyways

except maybe ceruledge but it just clicks endure for a free speed boost anyways

so ur forced into a nasty 50/50 at best

[patent phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/f8571b96cc78e358 tried making something

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[patent phoenix]

need suggestions

[blazing moth]

looks alright, probably replace glisc with lando and triple axel with fake out because it's still usable even with psyterrain, (or js make it an aoa zama, it cant pivot but it's but it's better then mlop at like everything else)

[patent phoenix]

i kinda wanna use a mega?

so like if i replace zapdos with zard y will it work

or volc

[blazing moth]

not rly

well ig maybe volc

u can stay w mlop

dont get me wrong

it's not bad js kinda outclassed here

but it's prolly the best mega u can get without reworking ur whole shit

u could also try a ground type like treads instead of glisc and then u dont need fog on zap

and u also compress knock off

[patent phoenix]

ah

spin and knock

[blazing moth]

if u go lando u should probs replace volc w a knocker btw

u can go knock lando but it aint great

[patent phoenix]

ill go treads

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/f8f1fabf7e94a73f

I'm wondering if I should go Slowbro instead of Mola to free up slot 6

altho psychics/fairies do well on sands like this regardless

[empty olive]

297 speed is mainly cause I wanted a number above timid ghold but decided why not invest a little more to get the stuff that creeps ghold and also the next big speed tier

I wouldn't say this autoloses to wellspring but ye the mu is a bit weak w id zama and scarf ghold being the stuff that has to kill it

so prolly just hurricane on zap

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/8c88275b86edce43

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty olive]

also updated to this

because I thought going more defensive w rain is a mistake

considering hurricane > scald or maybe defog on peli for another way to hit wellspring but past that idk what changes to make

[blazing moth]

ok i get ghold sorta but jumping 295 guy is pretty pointless if you cant hit any of them

its like if i said i wanted to use scarf ttar for great tusk

but you dont have an ice move or something ykwim

[empty olive]

I mean its more that it doesn't cost too much

and its not like there aren't any nice hits

like being faster than timid pagos and arch for minimally less bulk is imo worth it

even if its not too hard a hit just being able to hit hamu w an eq before it hits u just gives a little extra security and pressure

[gilded juniper]

https://pokepast.es/4e76a87a56bc9a30
https://pokepast.es/1bfebf767c858bf1

first time trying out competitive pokemon, lemme know your thoughts on these two and what can be improved upon

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/de84a674a5911e49 people I already posted this but is utility m-alt better then dd here?

[sterile osprey]

Kinda unconventional, I'm playing on emulator ROM (unbound) want to make a team around mons I got along the way that I really liked, missing 2 mons to fill (no legendary till post game)
Would appreciate tips on the ⅔ team I already made too and suggestions for filling last spots

https://teams.pokemonshowdown.com/view/1610387

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[neon kite]

https://pokepast.es/831ac47ab0f20fd8

[hollow fern]

!cobblemon

[celest merlin]

Please take a moment to review the rules of the competitive section: https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1373406929317269624

Do not ask for assistance with fangames, Minecraft/Roblox mods, or other such titles. These games/mods have mechanics and available Pokémon which do not match those in the actual Pokémon games or any of our Smogon formats, and are often played with arbitrary rulesets.

[burnt remnant]

I'm really proud of this team probably the best one I made how would you guys rate it ?
https://pokepast.es/02160a70177565ed

[gaunt stirrup]

aura sphere kinda sucks on Val when you need shad ball for gking

and why not use plot Rai

[cobalt skiff]

also rly nice to sting ghold ye idk what this team is u usually run f blast here right

why not just make thsi hyper offense why make raichu a pivot

and electrium z on raging bolt is an incredibly bad idea...

mainly because there ar emany strong grounds in the metagame and double ground being common, also just the fact that draco meteor draconium z is pretty stupid due to its 130 BP

also why is charizard not running anything for its checks like focus blast or scorching sands

[cobalt skiff]

why do you have 2 scarfers at https://pokepast.es/1bfebf767c858bf1, just make ... oh dear there are mor eproblems in this team than i thought so (you are running 2 niche pokemon without thinking about what they lack) wait as for your other team... the victini set in https://pokepast.es/4e76a87a56bc9a30 ... that z celebrate set only really works on hyper offense

man i have no idea how to change all of these, but definitely no idea of raichu alola is even viable i never questioned that

[stray cedar]

Is there any good calm mind mega sableye teams

like non stall

[blazing moth]

not really no

you can try and build that someone will eventually help you but sableye is never really gonna be pulling any weights for that team

you're just stripping it of everything that makes it usable in the first place

[cobalt skiff]

🤔 i can build one for you wait

[hollow radish]

https://pokepast.es/d731a1af54914152

Me and my monthly-(esque) urge to build something in a Singles tier

Wanted to use Yard and Melm and took this approach

@potent furnace if I can ping you because Chatot hates comphelpers and you're online lmao

(It's been 6 hours anyw)

oh mb I didn't notice you drop LMAO

[potent furnace]

eh

this is fine I don’t like pads melm over lefties

also def want av mola

[hollow radish]

Aa ty

So lefties and AV mola

That's it?

[cobalt skiff]

i also think that zamazenta can be hatterene

just a personal preference though

[hollow fern]

You'd need to get a new dark resist then

And speed control

Also ur wellspring mu gets quite a bit worse

[cobalt skiff]

yikes, true.

nvm taht is quite real.

idk why i just randomly am comfy with sudden switches like that lol

then find out im weak to well ,everything the other mon yknow

did

lmfao

[gaunt stirrup]

tspike is brutal here

[hollow radish]

True, no poisons

What could I replace for it tho?

Well tbh

There's a Pagos, two Flyings and a Regenerator mon

And a Steel

Actually 4/6 are immune lmao

[blazing moth]

ur fine into tspikes yea

i think the team's ok I'd js give melm punching glove maybe

lefties is also fine

[hollow radish]

Thanks

Was thinking about Melm item too

[blazing moth]

actually you could like srop superpower for eq maybe

u have a yard and zama idt u need to worry that mucha abt ferro

[hollow radish]

Then I can go pglove 100% safe yea

Fair lmfao

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/cf4358b03bba8676

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty olive]

seems solid

if I were to critisize anything It'd be the matchups against birds

like as it stands np torn gets a very free mu as long as it packs heat wave for dengo

even z fly versions can muscle past no invest dengo

+2 252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Supersonic Skystrike (180 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gholdengo: 281-331 (89.2 - 105%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

[nocturne summit]

yeah to be fair I lack anything to instantly threaten the birds

I'm kinda torn between bulky ghold or not

[empty olive]

think you need the glue here

[white halo]

what elo is your current team?I recognize this team

[nocturne summit]

somehow I got pinged but eh

[white halo]

Sorry crazy I was replying to your team but forgot to delete ur name

[zealous dust]

https://teams.pokemonshowdown.com/view/1613458
ive been struggling figuring out the ground slot. i ideally wanted one because i had a lot of electric-weak pokemon.
is the answer just tusk? ive been trying to make other ground types work but i cant seem to find any others except lando-t in this version

[stoic estuary]

Wow I just noticed I auto lose to cinderace

My webs team*

[blazing moth]

yea u should always have a couple outs against it

[burnt remnant]

250 something

[short cliff]

Trev is a demon 🤑

https://pokepast.es/eca564d6b2d17ca5

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ocean sun]

https://pokepast.es/66395a93d74c73b6

[brave atlas]

https://pokepast.es/c96343b9904acfdb

[hollow fern]

Not advice about the team but id recommend sending this in the stall discord, theyre pretty helpful with advice for stall teams in general and they have a channel for natdex

[tame galleon]

Using a life orb Infernape and only having physical attacks feels like kind of a waste tbh

like

[celest merlin]

Infernape (Gen 9)

Typing

Fire / Fighting

Abilities

0: Blaze | H: Iron Fist

Base Stats (BST: 534)

76 / 104 / 71 / 104 / 71 / 108

Weight

55 kg (80 BP)

Gender Rate

12.5% Female

[tame galleon]

use that special attack you need it

your only special attack is rotom-w's hydro pump

that's not

anyways

golisopod is certainly a choice
i've never seen it nor used it because emergency retreat
but the priority based set is smart

the others are fine although i'm not sure what's the point of block glowking ?

[celest merlin]

Block (Gen 9)

Prevents the target from switching out. The target can still switch out if it is holding Shed Shell or uses Baton Pass, Flip Turn, Parting Shot, Teleport, U-turn, or Volt Switch. The effect ends if either the user or the target leaves the field.

Type

Normal

Category

Non-Damaging

Power

0

Accuracy

0

PP

5 (8)

Priority

0

Target

Any adjacent

Flags

• Can be selected by Metronome.
• Can be copied by Mirror Move.
• Bounced back to the original user by Magic Coat or the Magic Bounce Ability.

[tame galleon]

wouldn't you rather have teleport, or chilly reception, or anything ?

why rest instead of slack off too ?

yeah

[brave atlas]

💀

there’s a stall discord server?

[tame galleon]

i know right ?

"i sentence thee to stallcord !"

radical

[white halo]

No dondozo, easy sweep haha

[hollow fern]

Yeah

https://discord.gg/big-stall-official-1335685141057769613

[ocean sun]

honestly didnt even know he got it

[ocean sun]

idk ig it was to counter some random pp stall team

[white halo]

@cobalt skiff

Char x has sub instead of earthquake rn

[cobalt skiff]

idk about claw, what's the interactions of claw again?

like srsly ive tested claw on that thing... it's really underwhelming

[white halo]

Tough claws?

[cobalt skiff]

no, dragon claw

[white halo]

Just boosts contact moves in dmg by like 50% I think

Oh just damage

[cobalt skiff]

no I mean I've had more success with outrage

[white halo]

107 I think or 117

[cobalt skiff]

what does fairy lock do again

[white halo]

Locks switches the next turn

[cobalt skiff]

?

[white halo]

Nobody can switch the following turn after it’s used

[cobalt skiff]

like, okay I'm just gonna need to read all this kekw

oh it's like block

[white halo]

For one turn yeah so if combined with eject button u can get a free counter

Last time was u turn pelipper hit me and knocked me into tapukoko

Then he quit

[cobalt skiff]

there's a couple of reasons why I don't like this team, but it's coolm

[white halo]

Fair enough it works for me

[cobalt skiff]

I mean I literally have a zygarde 10% team that hates hazard stack and well... dragons like this team

hahaha

I'm starting to feel like I should rework that one ngl

[white halo]

This team is my best, so it’s hard to change anything

[cobalt skiff]

well that's great, I've always believed in if it works it works but I can see myself changing a few stuff, like magnet rise is funny on klefki but what is fairy lock for again in general?

I forgot what it affects

genuinely not familiar with the move

[white halo]

It locks everyone from switching the next turn after it’s used

Even though it’s one turn it can turn the game in ur favour

[cobalt skiff]

Why is surf better than grass knot here, is there... is taht for gliscor?

[white halo]

Gliscor landorus

Etc

[cobalt skiff]

yeah i see the idea of that but im just questioning that alolan raichu from the beginning lol

[white halo]

Excadrill

[cobalt skiff]

also choice specs is better on tapu koko i think @white halo

[white halo]

Ppl have said that but those extra turns can really make a battle. The last turns after 5 won me a few games

[cobalt skiff]

also i think close combat is better than aura sphere, thats it

what is aura sphere for

[white halo]

When ppl burn me

[cobalt skiff]

damn, thats crazy, i just think its better than general but alright.

[cobalt skiff]

as true as that is your dragon fire coverage should be enough on special

[white halo]

For example last battle a heat rotom burned me and he thought I was close combat but I wasn’t

[cobalt skiff]

as true as that is its mainly just the BP its a solid click on fatter teams, mainly for ting lu and blissey

[white halo]

Ting Lu yea

[cobalt skiff]

thats all of my rating on it @white halo i like the team overall, oh! and run life orb not sash i think

[white halo]

Interesting take

Considering sash has won battles for me xD

[cobalt skiff]

Also, psyshock is an option for slowking galar if uve been having trouble with that when raichu alola is sweeping

[cobalt skiff]

what was it mainly for? i mean u have screens already/

[white halo]

Sometimes, one battle it was a poisoned Alolan raichu vs Garchomp and galar slowbro, last 3 turns of electricity and he pulled through because I predicted he would switch so I nasty plotted

[cobalt skiff]

i mean ngl i wouldnt go screens on this team but u did say u like this so far so

ig the raichu is the cleaner, right.

[white halo]

Idk why he didn’t earthquake

[cobalt skiff]

im starting to understand why u like priority defog lol.

[white halo]

I think I still have that battle somewhere

Raichu pulled through on the last turn alive

[white halo]

Oh yeah it’s very good

[cobalt skiff]

yeah, to summarize what id change it'd definitely be:
specs instead of terrtain extender
outrage on zard x and
close combat on kommo-o

those for me seem like the main points i would change

[white halo]

Fair enough I understand what you mean

[cobalt skiff]

since your tapu koko is a sitting duck on screens

otherwise, id fuck with this

pretty cool stuff.

[white halo]

Close combat predict is why he burned me ig

[cobalt skiff]

well i genuinely think aura sphere is a thing like but most of the things weak or neutral to fighting would hate the higher BP more in general

[white halo]

+2 aura sphere will still be very strong

[cobalt skiff]

how is it +2 am i high lol

u dont rly have throat spray on it

[white halo]

Souls and soul blaze

Makes everything +2

[cobalt skiff]

... OH

WAIT

I DIDNT REALIZE WAIT WHAT LMFAO

me when im high:

oh. huh

no fire move, damn

whats the calc on flash @white halo

at plus 2

[white halo]

Haha yeah

It’s flash vs flamethrower since fairies

Soul blaze also breaks trough protect and gives +1 anyway

[cobalt skiff]

well as much as flash is cool i dont rly see alot of double fairy cores lately.. have you been ? 😂

i mean i do have a double fairy team right now with clef garde mega but

that team rly hates scizor-mega lol

and i should prob just use lele but fuck that lol

[white halo]

Mine? Yeah

[cobalt skiff]

hahahahaha

[white halo]

If I can fairy lock a scissor that’s golden

Scizor

[cobalt skiff]

those bastards do run sd u-turn though

otherwise, ye it would be golden

[white halo]

He won’t out speed charizard

Unfortunately

[cobalt skiff]

no, im just sayin it exists, counterplay i mean but ye thank god it does hahaa

bro u remind me of adv talking about fairy lock lmfao

[white halo]

Btw eject button stops u turn so scizor is trapped anyway

[cobalt skiff]

LMFAO

i didnt even realize it wasnt light clay, wow

[cobalt skiff]

huh. no shit. people rly love eject button on fairies huh

[white halo]

Eject button yeah so strong

[cobalt skiff]

i mean i am not a huge fan but gosh do i respect it, i prefer it more at tera metas but yeah it is uh

hard to use in my opinion

rly needs a specific reason imo

usually on tanks ig thats why its on fairies and fat friends

[white halo]

Eject button paired with fairy lock is a crazy combo

You can switch and then they can’t run

[cobalt skiff]

but only if they do hit ya, u do give them room for things but yea i like this idea.

[white halo]

Oh of course it can be bad if you don’t predict them right

[white halo]

Ur right, I had a gholdengo set up twice but he just got revenge killed anyway

[cobalt skiff]

well it can be worse but yeah, shit like that.

[cobalt skiff]

ye ngl the moment i heard fairy lock i was still attempting to figure our how it worked.. i thought u were gonna utilize screens more but it sounds like u rely on lock more lmfao

[white halo]

Both

If lock won’t do much that game I reflect or light screen depending on what type I’m fighting and if it can hurt my switch in or not

[cobalt skiff]

i see.

[white halo]

Then I get hit into a sweeper

[cobalt skiff]

that is the most awesome way to role compress a steel/fairy btw

ur pretty cool with this

[cobalt skiff]

👍

[white halo]

Klefki has to stay alive as long as possible because without him I can’t hazard remove or get defenses

[cobalt skiff]

true but u gotta throw him away at late game or? i have no idea how u play lol

[white halo]

Typically or I let him faint turn one if it’s a large threat I need to get rid of

Pretty much what I do is analyze my enemy, I’ve done enough battles to know what they will start with

Always hazard lead so I play that to my advantage

If a team had landorus I lead minior because it can’t do anything to me and stone edge won’t kill

Even if it had it

And minior being immune to status is so good

This was a team I was running to get me to 1500 I believe

[tame galleon]

it's fine that happens

[tame galleon]

too niche you gotta aim for wide strategical coverage IMO

[fervent viper]

https://pokepast.es/e7b2e8c188259dfd

I'm low-key struggling against melmetal for no reason, any ways of improving my team?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense stratus]

I don't understand screens? Only charizard can really use them well, I think you could try using specs u-turn koko and life orb instead of specs ival

[limber crypt]

can prob do lead tusk or lando over glimm bc honestly glimm sucks as a hazard lead, id go sd pon over ival and dnite over pagos or lucha (pagos doesnt fit on screens and lucha kinda sucks so pick whichever)

zama (howl darkz or idbp) over lucha is an option as well but i think i wouldve changed the squad too much then

[ruby osprey]

https://pokepast.es/980ead1a5a7cb798
So far, it's fun, ish, only problem is Tyranitar either does a ton or nothing. And I feel like I don't have enough coverage half the time. I feel like the only 2 with any coverage is Charizard and Tyranitar. Good news tho, Excadrill has so far been very efficient at getting rid of hazards. Bad news, although we have won against stall, it's still very difficult for us. Also I don't think we have any good breakers. I mean Tyranitar is a good lead but after removing choice band, not a good breaker. Also Lando-T takes us out pretty well too so that's an issue. Any suggestions? I'm willing to replace any mon except for Serperior, the whole team is meant for him

[tame galleon]

i was about to say serperior just ain't it

but since you want to keep him just don't give him an AV

maybe subseed lefties or specs contrary leaf storm ?

[celest merlin]

Serperior (Gen 9)

Typing

Grass

Abilities

0: Overgrow | H: Contrary

Base Stats (BST: 528)

75 / 75 / 95 / 75 / 95 / 113

Weight

63 kg (80 BP)

Gender Rate

12.5% Female

[tame galleon]

75/95/95 is alright, and it's a grass type

honestly don't think the AV is worth it here

anyways

it's also your only special attacker

straight up

that's a big issue

i don't really get the point of screens grimmnsnarl