NatDex OU Rates

[potent furnace]

from a tiering perspective

[cobalt skiff]

he made alot of good poits

[cobalt skiff]

yeah, i guess so

[potent furnace]

yea the main issue is you cant really like

[cobalt skiff]

also why unhealthy?

[potent furnace]

just comp ban every guy in

no terapagos would be great for ou

[cobalt skiff]

the solution sounds simple

[potent furnace]

but the issue is mega rayquaza was by far and away the exception not the rule

which is what it was based on

[cobalt skiff]

at least for a person thats been into comp mainly singles for half a decade

[potent furnace]

terapagos is not mega rayquaza

and i think treating it like it is not good

if ou was run via like petmod rules id be totally down to just ban tera specifically on terapagos but that's just unfeasible for a tier such as ou

[cobalt skiff]

oh i see

you make a valid point

thank u for ur perspective

:D

[potent furnace]

the only reason the mega rayquaza clause was a thing was because ubers is a significantly smaller metagame than ou

and because rayquaza was literally essential to the tier beforehand

[cobalt skiff]

do u like hazard stacking in general? what other teams do u love to pilot

[potent furnace]

i really like building fat

[cobalt skiff]

for me im mainly trick room/bulky offense/bulky hazard stack

[cobalt skiff]

i see

[potent furnace]

fun archetype to build and ive had some decent sucess with some wacky mons

built a mismagius hazardstack team a minute ago

[cobalt skiff]

sam[ples?

[potent furnace]

i also had a team i really liked with boots raging bolt

[cobalt skiff]

IVE HEARD OF THAT

DAS U?

I USE THAT

BRUH

[potent furnace]

send it

[cobalt skiff]

😆

[potent furnace]

might be diff one

[cobalt skiff]

oh

true

i dont use it anymore

since uh

tilt

[potent furnace]

real chance its me but i dont want to steal someone elses work

[cobalt skiff]

also i delete teams alot and use em, device issues etc etc

[potent furnace]

do you remember who else was on the team at least if its deleted

[cobalt skiff]

dont rly upload em at showdown either is annoying

[cobalt skiff]

no unfortunately not, but im sure ive seen ur team

i like using alot of niche mons

i een had a friend who wanted me ro run sunkern ....

[potent furnace]

https://pokepast.es/f8f2bf7907a305e8

was it this one

[cobalt skiff]

and i was thinking trick room sun

oh no

different

dam

cant belive theres 2 😆

[potent furnace]

https://pokepast.es/00aed06313cb0625

?

[cobalt skiff]

2 mismagius users out there

crazy

no

not that either

[potent furnace]

ive made a few versions of it

[cobalt skiff]

lmao

oh

[potent furnace]

do u remember any other mons on it

[cobalt skiff]

few sounds like alot to u LMAO

it was mainly very fat

if i remember correctly

like the teams i saw

[potent furnace]

if it wasnt that glisc pex chesnaught one then idk

but o well

[cobalt skiff]

what i remeber is jsut meta+ mismagius

[potent furnace]

real talk

[cobalt skiff]

not chesnaught.

[potent furnace]

there is a team i made you probably will recognize

[cobalt skiff]

i see, das cool. ur a very chill person. i like that

[potent furnace]

https://pokepast.es/a02f59e15d54da49

[cobalt skiff]

yeah

[potent furnace]

honestly idk if youd even recognize this but

[cobalt skiff]

duh i obviously know that

[potent furnace]

yea

[cobalt skiff]

lmao

[potent furnace]

that team

i made it

[cobalt skiff]

alot of people covered that :)

funny kingambit shenanigans

love the synergy

[potent furnace]

dude this shit ruined ladder for like

3 months

LOL

[cobalt skiff]

yeah ama just

*yoinks the copypasta

well, thanks for ur time :)

u rly helped

[potent furnace]

yea np

i do rates from time to time

[cobalt skiff]

cool cool cool cool cool cool cool

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/98c04e7d5dda7608 making golduck work, screw swift swim i want a charizard y counter lmao

ngl i want flip turn but idrk

need advice

[nocturne summit]

ok thx for the help anyway, I'll test both of them (sorry took long replay I went to sleep)

[proper yarrow]

This doesn't make much sense

Why is there an alolan ninetales

On a non ho team

[low bay]

https://pokepast.es/71a657bb87de3e78 The team I put together actually looks a bit bad to me, especially the coverage doesn't seem very good. I got really confused while setting up Aegislash's moveset, and this is the result. Playing Aegislash in a Nat Dex OU is a bit difficult, but I thought I'd give it a try. The initial team had Utility Salamence, but when that wasn't very good, I switched to Dragonite. Maybe I can remove Lopunny. I'm not sure if I should remove Clodsire because it's there to accumulate entry hazard alongside Clefable. I preferred Greninja to Hisuian Samurott because Greninja is a Special Attacker. I'm open to suggestions.

(Sorry for bad english)

[proper yarrow]

Z nite with no removal

And also just you have dnite gren who are offense staples and slapped on clef and clod

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/d8e82084ca470827 latest hot mess, roost me

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dark hazel]

https://pokepast.es/89832726d9a0c498
made this team for natdex whithout using any ou mons .... open for suggestions other than switching to ou monss T_T

[potent furnace]

most of this team is unviable

it’s not really salvageable unless you scrap the whole thing

[potent furnace]

should clarify i mean this one

[potent furnace]

this one is mostly fine

I’d go zama over blaceph here

[nocturne summit]

what set?

[potent furnace]

could go boots 4a

honestly imo

go band zama and make weav boots sd

washtom needs to get subbed out asw but idk what for

oh no corv actually

make it corv

[nocturne summit]

defensive set?

[potent furnace]

yep

id drop brave bird for defog though

also you should run the smogdex spread for toxapex

instead of just full sending defense

[pale brook]

https://pokepast.es/0863f9c031850de2

How can I improve my team, or should I assemble another mega medicham team?

[nocturne summit]

btw is lele move-z neccsery or replaceable with another set?

I feel like I can make it scarfed or maybe even specs

[potent furnace]

immediately we’re cutting muk a and gastrodon

both are unviable

scarf ghold doesn’t seem like it’s doing much here

I feel like you’d be better off with a ghost z set

doesn’t even have to be np i like twave hex

[pale brook]

Muk is my tank special

And gastrodon stter rocks

[pale brook]

And my pursuit trapper

[nocturne summit]

I see the vision you're going for but those two have mons that are literally upgrades of them, you wanna a special tank poison type? go g-slowking, you wanna a stealth rocker? go lando-t, you want both? ting-lu can do both, it's hard to fit mons that are inferior versions of other mons that do the exact same thing, especially in a meta game where they're not tanky enough to last

[pale brook]

Hm

you are sure

@nocturne summit I wanted to use the team for a tournament and I have to deal with Mega Mewtwo and Marshadow.

any tips?

[nocturne summit]

not really an expert but if those mons exist doesn't that mean you can use Ubers level mons?

[pale brook]

Yes

It's a tournament on Pixelmon. If you want, I can show you all the allowed Pokémon.@nocturne summit

[nocturne summit]

sure

[pale brook]

All theses

It's very difficult to deal with Mega Gengar, Mewtwo, and Marshadow as well.

[nocturne summit]

honestly i don't really know, those are weirdly specfic mons it's like gen 9 ou mixed with gen 6 uber mons without their legendaries

[pale brook]

Yes

[nocturne summit]

you're best bet is either Other, or ask in general

[pale brook]

just like I didn't understand

[nocturne summit]

try #1060682530094862477 chat room channel or ask in #comp-general

[pale brook]

Ok

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/e99b82b5cd12595e is there anything fundamentally wrong with this 5? I've tried a bunch of mons in the last slot to deal with stuff like zapdos and corviknight, but the team just feels wrong

by all the usual metrics I follow this team should at least be doing ok, maybe not amazing because it hasn't been through thorough testing yet but I can't even get it to work on a baseline level

[potent furnace]

!arbitraryformats

[celest merlin]

Please take a moment to review the rules of the competitive section: #1373406929317269624 message

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[blazing moth]

this is very messy, imo u should start by removing clod here bc ur not using stall

and give clefable soft boiled

[dark hazel]

uhm its pretty fun tho

[potent furnace]

that doesn’t make it viable

generally if you post a team here you are expecting competitive feedback

[odd thistle]

https://pokepast.es/717215469f7e95d6

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[odd thistle]

This is my first attempt building ND OU I wanted to make fairy spam

[potent furnace]

sadly fairy spam isn’t really a thing here

id run z on lele here asw

[odd thistle]

Should I just scrap it then?

[potent furnace]

nah its fine

its still very workable these are all at least viable pokemon

I’m a little busy rn so give me like half an hour

[odd thistle]

🫡

Alrighty

[dark hazel]

suggestions guys

https://pokepast.es/b1abea71536a2702

[hollow fern]

Ditto feels very random and pointless here imo-you already have good speed control. Same for A-muk, your team isnt fat enough to really have it and your main breakers dont really care about slowking-g being gone. Id make ogerpon-w swords dance here so it can aid in breaking and xard jolly, the speed tier is pretty important. Id add on terap and gking instead of ditto and muk, who give some defensive value while also keeping the team pretty offensive and giving you better removal for xard. Imo standard ival is better here, the encore can help a lot against setup threats and id make lando taunt if u add terap

[serene sluice]

"Fairy spam"

• 2 fairy moves

[dark hazel]

ty bro or sis ❤️

[proper yarrow]

That's the ideal amount

Lmao

What do u want 6 fairy types?

[blazing moth]

true

"fairy spam" is kinda ahh anyways in all due fairnees

[tough fern]

https://pokepast.es/52e9e6b14acb75ba can someone help me with this team here it’s done solid I’ve gotten 1780 with it but dropped immediately after that into 1500 I feel like it could be improved any suggestions or do I just gotta get better at clicking

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/e33df3436bb333cf a flop or a success?

[blazing moth]

u struggle to touch av mola like that

and z zama is not exactly amazing as of rn

ur p passive since u have no wincon or immediate power

lele can kinda be immediate power even w scarf but def not in this case

bc everything else is so passive

[tough fern]

Yeah av mola has been a tough mu for me

[blazing moth]

i dont see the point of venu there too in all due fairness, ur way frail and prone to passive dmg to be considered a fat balance which is where mvenu fits best but ur also not wallbreaking a lot as is

[tough fern]

So should I change zama to band?

[blazing moth]

yes imo

[tough fern]

What about venu

[blazing moth]

either that or hdb

[tough fern]

What can I change for that

[blazing moth]

zap over molt since u alr beat volc and then maybe a fire in venu's place

for sciz mainly

[tough fern]

Maybe cinderace or heatran?

[blazing moth]

maybe u can try ghold over treads, give fog to zap and get a rocker in the place of venu

forget the fire part part u dont need one necessarily

mb

[tough fern]

What set on dengo

[blazing moth]

bulky np

[tough fern]

Just boldengo

Z? Or air ballon

[blazing moth]

yes w 92 speed evs

[blazing moth]

z

ghostium+make it rain is my personal go to but u can use the default focus blast+ghostium

[tough fern]

I always use ghostium+mir asw

For a rocker do you think a helmet chomp work would or use a different Mon like tinglu

I feel like Lu would be better no?

Without whirlwind sub tect Kyurem can be annoying

And gives ghost resist

[tough fern]

https://pokepast.es/1860e8e9b1de8410 this better?

[blazing moth]

yeah tankchomp is alr

[blazing moth]

seems good but give zap defog
u can also try these
https://pokepast.es/94465ab9a624380d
https://pokepast.es/d59a6e72fef7ac0b

[tough fern]

Yeah forgot to change that

I will try both

Thanks

[blazing moth]

cool, js one last thing if u find kyurem troublesome in that garchomp one u might wanna give this a try instead
https://pokepast.es/e2586a5eaf7e6dc8

[tough fern]

I like this one slot definitely gonna give it try!

Thanks for the help

[pale brook]

Anyone can help me build one team with mega lopunny and tinkaton

https://pokepast.es/39de8477e7ce2b9b

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pale brook]

I stopped here.

[gaunt stirrup]

https://pokepast.es/eae7637c6c3adecc
Thoughts? Got a few wins already but in low ladder rn, wanted to use Nidoking
Scarf Ghold for speed control and beat stall w trick + plot
Scizor Mega for priority + Kyurem
Nidoking has rlly good coverage and js hits decently hard with a decent speed tier to use against bulkier mons
Zap as a defensive pivot and volt turn momentum to get Nido and Ghold in easier
Fini checks a lot and gives me a fairy type + makes me fear status less
Tusk as hazard setter and remover

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/52a37f96399bfc36

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gleaming harbor]

https://pokepast.es/9ff26ce5074d3e03 tips upgrades or changes anyone recommends ??

[nocturne summit]

you need removal and a electric immunity since half of your team is weak to electric

[serene sluice]

Yes

[near whale]

https://pokepast.es/94465ab9a624380d this team is good? i need that to have only one legendary, should i replace zapdos or tapu lele? and which one non legendary i put on the place?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

1. aero is a terrible lead if u rly want to kill dia on lead use booster treads, and double edge doesn't hit anything at all you're better off with stone edge
2. dia is just standing there as of rn, this is an ho team so get a setup sweeper like hatt which still keeps bounce if that's what you want bc u have 2 sr weak mons so I assume you'd want some hazard control, hatt is even better at that because of the immediate bouce and not being weak to ground, it also breaks down fat structures js as effectively and stall even better and more quickly

[blazing moth]

lop-> u can try axel over u turn for hitting glisc, but only change this if u find glisc a problem in testing, be careful with it's toxic though
pon -> power whip kver horn leech bc u js wanna hit harder like almost no matter the scenario and leech makes you even easier to check since you have no third attack, you might also wanna consider superpower over encore since this looks like it gives ferro a bit too much free space but you should only change this last part depending on how your testing goes
ghold-> give it 92 speed evs (taken from spdef) for outspeeding gliscor, although i think treads would fit better here over ghold since you need a ground type, a rocker and a spinner
moltres-> give ts defog if you dont get trads over ghold bc as of rn u dont have hazard control, and flamethrower over mystical fire too you overall prefer the damage
pex-> toxic over tspikes

looks solid though

[dark wyvern]

https://pokepast.es/919fe7b02c0891d4 found this team and did small modifications. how does this deal with a rilla molt core?

[serene sluice]

Leech feels fine on a fatter team like this tbh

[serene sluice]

You cant post teams here thay arent yours/are modifications

[dark wyvern]

oop sorry

[blazing moth]

if anything u want whip more than ever bc ur even more passive like that

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/0d7405f34607df28

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

Sd oger> urshifu and ghold over blacephalon

Make volcarona bugnium z

Maybe cm terap over blacephalon also works

And make diancie the lead set

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/c187c16ea58fb0a6 something IS wrong with this team, I just know it but I can't see it

[nocturne summit]

and ye Ik bp scizor and tclap bolt doesn't synergize with lele psychic terrain is mainly just there to help vs bolt tclap and gambit sucker. since I can control when terrain goes up, BP is still quite usable and if it's that bad specs koko should do the job

[hollow basalt]

there's gotta be better ways to run lele than with 2 priority users I'm ngl

If you're fighting yourself to remove your own terrain it will cause issues

[fathom pagoda]

uh

https://pokepast.es/c71b5e495cc76d12

[celest merlin]

Hey @fathom pagoda, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen8nationaldex. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[compact geode]

How does this idea look to yall, i think it might work out but i wanted to get some opinions as well as some advice on the team building aspects as a whole

[blazing moth]

dragapult is banned

also you have no ground immunity and 3 weaknesses

[compact geode]

it is??? when i did the validate button it didnt say anything about being banned

[blazing moth]

maybe you did it for gen 9 ou and not gen 9 national dex

or you did it for nd ubers whatever

[compact geode]

there we go, had to refresh the page for some reason for it to show that

what would be a good replacement for dragapult in this team? and would it work in comp if used at all

[blazing moth]

no this team is super weak to ground and ice i doubt this would work

u also lack a lot utility

think the first step here is sack one of the fire types, give gambit knock off and low kick over poison jab and kowtow respectively

and get a flying type

[blazing moth]

or mega latios over hydrapple

[hollow fern]

You should share teams using pokepaste, makes it a lot easier to export/view

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/1273dcf69a21d9a6 why I feel this is bad

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

No way to stop hazards and you prob want another tr setter imo

[nocturne summit]

Wait doesn't hatt can do both?

[hollow fern]

Ye

[nocturne summit]

which mon should I switch it with?

[hollow fern]

Enam is prob the cleanest direct swap

Or maybe mmaw

[nocturne summit]

idk I don't want all my abusers to be strictly physical attacker since can get shut down by physical tanks and burn

[hollow fern]

Then yeah mmaw could be the swap

[nocturne summit]

if so, is there a mega much better then enam here?

[hollow fern]

Maybe mega camerupt could work there?

If you want a mega

[nocturne summit]

Ok thx

[dark hazel]

can anyone rate this team pls? 🙏🏾
https://pokepast.es/bcfbc2a2ee2ff147
primarina is max hp and spA
lmk how can i make this better.
(tried to avoid ou mons)

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

this is mixing bulky offense and hyper offense archetypes

like you have a lead so you're pretty much playing a 5v6 but you have a defogger and 2 exploitable mons that let the opp remove the hazards

i think you should decide what archetype you should go with first before going further with this

[blissful summit]

https://pokepast.es/64a3897d086d805f

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dark hazel]

Hyper offense is what i wanted. My basic aim was like cleaning everything that chari cant break through and hazard control for it and volcrona . It would be great if you could help me with this

[blazing moth]

you can just get a magic boune pokemon for hazard control in hyper offense, since you have 2 quad weaks i think bounce+spinner works p well

u alr have a spinner there so yea js keep it and get a bouncer, although iron treads would be better over exca

[dark hazel]

Tysm for your help ❤️

[blissful summit]

kinda sad I got ignored lmao

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/626e685d61a80bee

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hard creek]

the team is very kyurem weak

[autumn plume]

https://pokepast.es/98822fe273a7a49f

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

make lando a suicide lead, screens zama > weav, offensive np dengo > ferro, and eq > temper flare on gyara, u can also do waterpon > mgyara

i think this team wants to go the ho route but i could be wrong

[autumn plume]

not really going for HO

im running t flare for ferros

[dark wyvern]

https://pokepast.es/a97d90258e899453 anything i can do to make this better?

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/2b15c7c8951bd3cf

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

u need sm speed control here preferably over molt

also give glisc and mola toxic over scald and u turn respectively

[viral temple]

my molt used to counter some op mega

like lopunny

scizor and medicham

[blazing moth]

you have a whole mola

and medicham always 2hkos molt on switch with psychic stab, be it zen headbutt or the contactless psycho cut

also, mega medicham is mid

if you're really afraid of medicham the responde to it shouldn't be moltres anyways but rather something like ghold

[viral temple]

I was using ghold before

and found that lopunny can almost one shot it with cc

molt has flame body

also for great tusk

[hollow basalt]

thanks for the team

[blazing moth]

again, mola checks both of those

even gliscor can check Lopunny not packing triple axel

the only valid example of a justification to run molt you've given so far is mega medicham, which still gets 2hko'd on switch in the worst case scenario, and ghold checks it better on top of it, while being the speed control you need btw

flame body is sure good, but unnecessary when you literally dont care about the attacks of Lopunny and great tusk to begin with because mola checks the both of them and can put both on (faster and reliant on being attacked) timers with toxic

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/4a41543e128a61aa the single most wackiest team in existance

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[viral temple]

dw

I play this team all the time

[viral temple]

well thanks anyway I will see what can I change

[viral temple]

I dont even has ogerpon and moltres in game lol

[dense stratus]

https://pokepast.es/88cf7dbbec70ad17

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense stratus]

Genuinely no idea if that's even slightly good

[blazing moth]

you got the right idea but it's a very slow sun team

make tusk boots or icium z and give it rocks over cc. Also make it's evs Jolly Max speed and atk.
for bolt give weather ball over cm, boots or dragonium z (depeding on what tusk has) and volt switch over tbolt.
Yard just give it solar beam over air slash.
Mola make it assault vest and put knock off over scald.
gliscor and scream just replace with a speed control like victini and Hatterene respectively

[blazing moth]

also myb for late reply i thought sm1 else was gonna take you anyways this is perfectly fine except for the hatt which would prefer eject button to enable healwing wish and provide a safe pivot to your pursuit trapper (which could be replaced with just normal sd or a scarf ghold) if need be. also lando can be a couple evs slower just to the point it hits 301 speed and doesn't necessarily need defog since you already have hazard control with hatt, tusk prob better if u want both hazard control and sr in the same slot.

Lilligant also isn't amazing here because you're not using torkoal so you dont rly have enough turn to abuse sun with it, prob something like a scarf would be better here (if u havent replaced gambit w ghold)

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/6fa6118451e9cf2b need some opinions

[blazing moth]

u can prob slot a z on this icl

looks a bit lacking in power without a user

either ceru or make ur lando offensive

u could also give ur mdia spikes

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/6a90fc2b66c2f79d

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[white condor]

https://pokepast.es/c3d2d2fda0369a03

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

think you just make this full ho, so serp > corv, sd > trailblaze on hera, dragonium bolt, offensive balloon ghold, and then consider smth fast over hamurott or run araquanid to make this webs (dnite over bolt is also an option, which lets you run ghostium ghold too)

[limber crypt]

this looks fine, most mus are taken care of, just be wary of not letting ur nukes get too low

[hard creek]

im shocked the team is fine 😮

what MUs do I still need to take care of

[white condor]

https://pokepast.es/5ec1506b24eb405a

[hard creek]

im kinda scared to know what I missed ;-;

[limber crypt]

opposing volc seems kinda worrisome but av mola p much blanks it, its just that u need to be aggro to win the mu

[limber crypt]

ye this is nice

[white condor]

I wonder why full hp swords dance tho

He already has the highest attack in the entire game

[limber crypt]

oh yeah this should be max speed adamant hera

[white condor]

Alright changed it

Autocorrect is being funky

[dense stratus]

https://pokepast.es/f6850cf240526607

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

super lele weak

you need a steel

would also recommend ditching gapdos it’s not very good

[dense stratus]

Gapdos outspeeds scarf lele and after rocks it has a 93% chance to ohko

Plus it gives me speed control and also ohkos wpon

And is also fighting coverage which I don't have otherwise

[potent furnace]

yes but how are you getting it in on tapu lele

[blazing moth]

mola prob better as av here and u don't need 2 spinners terap can go and u can use hatt instead if u still want additional hazard control, also give bolt a z

[next forge]

Doesn't matter u have literally no psychic switch in

And ur only moonblast switch in is zardy

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/501e59c684109730 thoughts on glowking instead of heatran?

or maybe I can do smth like zap > lando and tusk/chomp > tran

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/b4bd2b1467d480d8 i cannot remove hazards at all

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hard creek]

on second thought ima just drop pyuk and do boots spam, dozo clears it anyway

[dark hazel]

https://pokepast.es/0bba23e363061cdd is this good?>

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blissful ingot]

https://pokepast.es/dd660f24d15f250d rotom heat kinda feels out of place but helps me with fire ,flying resistance and checks corv, skarmory and gholdengo

[serene hemlock]

Ah yes another rc player

Is this for OU or what format

[blissful ingot]

yes

rc ou

i tried getting it rated in the server but they didnt offer anything

[serene hemlock]

I see

[serene hemlock]

Ur gonna have to switch that gambit since it’s Ubers in RC

[blazing moth]

landorus shouldn't be both ur rocker and defogger, also mega zard x doesn't fit on anything but ho, ur also weak to gambit late game so i suggest u go tusk>lando then a ground immunity over lando

[serene hemlock]

I’ll ask the council after u figure out what u wanna put in to replace gambit

Since I’m friends with most of em

[dark hazel]

Hm ill try ty

[blazing moth]

i dont see what rotom is really doing here except make you super rocks weak, u most def also want offensive tusk here so you can actually kill ghold

[hollow basalt]

What's RC

[low bay]

https://pokepast.es/dabde9221d0eb153 Before putting together this team, I said to myself, "I need to build a team that will be really good, especially on Melmetal," and I hope it turned out to be a good team (I can't think of anything else to say).

[minor cobalt]

https://pokepast.es/535684439db15ed7
What y'all think?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

id make mola av

you look a little bolt weak but besides that this is good

av mola helps the “switching into mega charizard Y” problem

[minor cobalt]

I see

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/309a2f04ad5e564f

[blissful ingot]

https://pokepast.es/7df540a3e2d537df

[blissful ingot]

i also have an additional version. not too sure which version would be better
https://pokepast.es/8b322d0af661eb8b

[blazing moth]

looks decent enough but this needs hazard control (prob go tusk/treads over lando ig or work something out in the place of the offensive mons like Zamazenta) and latios def needs ice beam as of rn for over aura sphere for gliscor/flyings

[nocturne summit]

I wanna go treads but what set?

[blazing moth]

probs spdef but w spinner over knock possibly

or u can js go offensive treads ig

[serene hemlock]

This one looks pretty solid Ngl

[tough fern]

https://pokepast.es/9c040f0059f7479a

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tough fern]

I think I just lose to gambit

Would like help

I was thinking scarf tusk over Lando

[potent furnace]

drop scizor

for zama

rest is fine

oh and then run ghold over ceru

can still be ghost z

imo z ceru is only worth it on super fast offense which this is not

@tough fern

[tough fern]

Alr any recommendations for a creu team?

[arctic void]

peaked number 4 with this team but my friend tried it and he said it's buns🥀

https://pokepast.es/8a6f80cb63d761cb

[blazing moth]

needs a water resist

and probably stone edge over power gem chomp there

[blissful ingot]

https://pokepast.es/7df540a3e2d537df currently climbing ladder with this team

i also have an additional version. not too sure which version would be better
https://pokepast.es/8b322d0af661eb8b

the second version is more offensive with sand rush exa but in exchange ttar has to run stealth rocks and i lack a designated special defensive wall (primarina has to run AV)

[tough fern]

Second version is better but you don’t need wisp on moltres I would go whirlwind and give moltres a lil more spdef so you have a better mu against yard some of them do run focus blast

[pearl furnace]

https://pokepast.es/e99b3f415dcda412
what are the thoughts on this team? If im not mistaken this is a balanced team correct?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense stratus]

You lose to woger imo, if it wins the speed tie with mega diancie you basically lose
+2 252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 258-304 (64.6 - 76.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Umbreon: 408-482 (103.5 - 122.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[pearl furnace]

What are some good answers for woger? And which Pokemon do you think I should replace

[proper yarrow]

hazards, offensive counter play, and ferro dnite latios torn zap zama etc can beat pon if u figure out the set

[gritty dome]

Corv is pretty good against it

Probably not max attack tho

And add roost?

[pearl furnace]

https://pokepast.es/22bccdd0a59da7be
so something more like this?

i figure i dont need more hazards than ceaseless edge samo and ive been using this team on showdown with no loses so far

but i havent ran into woger

[serene hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/8794f57b849f5aba

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[serene hemlock]

Thoughts anyone

[blazing moth]

cm latias is p much always reserved to ho this aint it js replace w tios

also looks fairly weak to fairies and u have no pivots

or ground

u can sack zama+garg+pagos and get a tusk there and have 2 slots for speed and pivoting

or js zama+garg and go lando/tankhomp (ig)

[topaz mist]

https://pokepast.es/ac6f9b8661c5b4ae

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[topaz mist]

Any improvements I could make?

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/36e26680cf88783a

[blazing moth]

could make zama boots here and sack lop since they do p similiar stuff but lop isn't the greatest of fits here since i have no spikes

and after that prob get a water resist/volc check

[blazing moth]

deadass js sack zapdos for a z move user and also preferably a ground or water resist and ur probs good to go, u can give the z to a mon ur alr hace ig like dnite or blaziken

ts is built like an ho but with a random zap there so

[empty olive]

Are offensive pivots suddenly unusable on offense?

[blazing moth]

on hyper offense i mean yeah kinda u wanna switch as little as possible

[empty olive]

Zapdos is great at pressuring waters, which helps get mons like dnite and blaziken in the game, while hp ice also helps a ton with bulky grounds which also helps get in previous 2

[blazing moth]

and ur team is hyper offense

not offense, so

[blazing moth]

getting a water/ground resist or immunity like a grass type would also do this btw, pivot moves are pretty mid at best on ho unless it's your lead

which, zap isn't

i dont need to lose momentum by switching to zap (or having it in field in general) to pressure waters when a sweeper can do that instead, that's how ho works

if ho appreciated random defensive pieces that aren't either leads or setup sweeper than it's just not ho

im assuming it is because you have a lead and 4 wincons

[empty olive]

How does switching to a pivot mon lose you momentum

Thats literally the point of a pivot mon

[blazing moth]

makes your lead go to waste as you give the opp a free turn to spin/fog

[empty olive]

Zap conveniently has a great matchup into the popular spinners and foggers?

[blazing moth]

you can get a sweeper than also does that btw

again that's how ho works

if ur not setting up ur a lead if ur not a lead ur setting up

u literally cant get much simpler than this

switching is not losing momentum on literally every archetype but ho, although at times it can be for non ho too bc it's a free turn obv

like imagine it doesn't matter if ur switching ur zap into a good matchup ur still giving the opp a free turn by switching

[empty olive]

Then ur against the idea of switching into zapdos not zapdos itself

[blazing moth]

both because zapdos isn't a lead or a sweeper

[empty olive]

And from there it gets interaction specific

[blazing moth]

so it's effectively free turns for the opp whenever zap gets forced out and that means ur playing effectively a 4v6 counting the lead being dead

[empty olive]

Ur thinking of zapdos too defensively

[blazing moth]

https://youtu.be/Pa79PO1grx4?si=OMubTPkMlV0tNZn3
@empty olive if ur not getting my point this vid kight help u understand ig, start from 4:10 basically

[blazing moth]

because it literally is

for ho anything that loses momentum (naturally) for the tiniest of bits is too defensive for it

ur thinking of zapdos too offensively

[empty olive]

But zapdos doesnt lose momentum what are you saying??

[blazing moth]

it does when ur playing ho

ur thinking of this team like it's balance

having one defensive piece and 4 sweepers and a lead means u have js a badly built ho

[empty olive]

Zapdos literally isnt defensive

Im not switching into it to take hits

[blazing moth]

is it setting up

[empty olive]

Is ogerpon not offensive if it doesnt have sd

[blazing moth]

yes or no dude

[empty olive]

Same 2 u

[blazing moth]

ur not using pivot pon on ho but yea pon without sd is setting spikes

now is zapdos using calm mind on ur team or something in the lines of that

[empty olive]

Nah its just attacking into things, and mons with only attacks can still be really offensive

[blazing moth]

then it's not fit for ho

simple and plain

5 sweepers one lead

that's ho

that's literally it

[empty olive]

Mons that can only attack can't fit in ho period?

[blazing moth]

yea

ur either putting hazards and dying or setting up

or both

if u dont do either ur not it

(for ho)

[empty olive]

So those 4 attack booster tusk, psychium lele, lorb valiant, lorb greninja

All of those don't work on ho

[blazing moth]

4 attack booster tusk doesn't exist but could work as a lead ig if it had rocks, psychium lele without calm mind is not fit for ho, ival without setup is generally undesirable for ho especially without a booster to at least clean off games and lorb gren sets itself up and isnt too great in ho either way, it's better on standard offense (just like an hypothetical lorb ival and non cm z lele)

idk where you've seen at least the first two on ho but yeah they dont work without setup

u can maybe make a case for ival w no setup on ho if it rly fits that good on ur team as a cleaner and u have the added wallbreaking to back it up, same w gren except it just sets up/snowballs by itself

[empty olive]

First 2 are breakers

Last 2 are also breakers but also cleanup in the right scenarios

[blazing moth]

and zapdos is nothing

it's js there

it's not wallbreaking nor is it cleaning

well, not wallbreaking as well as an actual wallbreaker for ho at least

shit js doesn't work man

[empty olive]

Im just proving that 4 attacks exists and works

As long as they have a proper role

[blazing moth]

not on fucking zap

and most of the time they dont anyways

4 attack booster tusk doesn't exist, lele exists everywhere but ho, ival has very rare use cases and gren has setup via battle bond

and all of these are way more offensive than a boots zap could ever dream of

if u want to handle waters then get a resist that's an actual sweeper while at it

[empty olive]

Idk what ur on abt 4 attack tusk most definitely exists even if its not the first smogon set u see, the extra move in cc allows u to chunk alot of mons, besides that, Im just saying you can use any mon as long as it serves an important role and plays it well without detracting too much from the rest of the team

[blazing moth]

the problem is zap isn't doing jackshit

and it's a zapdos on ho

and 4a tusk doesn't exist at all

ur tripping here it literally doesn't if it does it's on sun

[empty olive]

And im trying to use zap to chunk mainly waters, I get that an waterpon also works for this, but that doesnt mean zapdos cant do the same nor does it affect zapdos' other offensive qualities

[blazing moth]

again

get a sweeper that does that

not a zap

i cant make ts up zap is ass on ho

if u wanna deal w waters get another water resist

but one that's a sweeper

ur totally missing the point of how ur team structure is supposed to work

it's as simple as it can get bro 5 setup 1 lead

zap isn't neither so it's not good here

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/54bf29e0040266d9

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne summit]

this feels like a mess

[potent furnace]

ghold over kyurem

specs kyurem is doing nothing for you its just a massive momentum sink that'll kill any progress you've made on webs

consider going dd z on dragonite over loaded dice scale shot asw

also imo samurott would be better off if you made it a wellspring instead

could also go cm val over sd here so you arent mono phys

[nocturne summit]

wait so what about lele's set?

[potent furnace]

oh that's fine

maybe consider psyshock over psychic but that's pretty minor and mainly personal preference

[nocturne summit]

why use two z-moves users on one team?

[potent furnace]

oh i cant brain

my bad

keep dnite as dice

consider dropping espeed because we have psyterrain on this team

[nocturne summit]

oh ye wait I didn't notice that

but wait what move should I switch it with? ice spinner or fire punch?

[potent furnace]

fire punch

hits corv / ferro

[nocturne summit]

btw is switching val to cm neccesery? neither way there will be overlap between special and physical attackers since they're taking 5 slots, those moves are tempting

[potent furnace]

its your choice but id rather not have both my faster pokemon be sd guys

cm val way better into zama

[nocturne summit]

mind sending the set?

[potent furnace]

its just cm stabs tbolt

[nocturne summit]

okay then btw who's better overall as a sticky web setter?

[potent furnace]

araq is best

bee close second but you can get counterled more easily which i dont like

[nocturne summit]

ok thx for the help a lot 🙏

[potent furnace]

[ornate thistle]

https://pokepast.es/8176a0b8696227af

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[celest merlin]

Hey @dense stratus, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

[blazing moth]

you have two z users here

[ornate thistle]

Umm what's bad about that

[blazing moth]

means u have effectively one itemless mon

also u have an offensive water in a team with a sun setter

[ornate thistle]

Yeah ...

[ornate thistle]

Heh? Can z move be used by 1 pokemon per team?

[blazing moth]

yea u can use once only

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/45698b65912ccaf1 is this good?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt skiff]

👀

[blazing moth]

super dark and rock weak and volc is super out of place here, also u have thunderclap and psyterrain which isn't super desirable

[cobalt skiff]

oh i didnt even realize that

yeah i forgot i wanted to comment but im not reaally good 😅

just very experimental

[nocturne summit]

if switching ting lu with volc good? also I didn't notice that sry, I switched it with weather ball, actually I have solar beam in mind

[cobalt skiff]

i would run kartana here.

defog for charizard mega y

ngl

double removal isnt so bad

since zard y is a beast and its ok to tech screens too

there should be a set paste on smogon @nocturne summit

[nocturne summit]

there isn't a set of zard-Z with defog, but I double removal isnt bad since I have zard

[cobalt skiff]

no i meant kartana has defog

my bad

like defog for zard y, run defensive kartana

anyways

just a comfort pick tho

[nocturne summit]

still it doesn't solve and dark and ghost problem

[cobalt skiff]

you can just go hyper offense i guess and switch tapu lele into a hyper offense mon that fills holes...

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[blazing moth]

i say sack bolt or lele altogether

bolt's selling point is the electric sucker punch above all else

[nocturne summit]

maybe sack lele with koko?

[blazing moth]

that'd mean you have two elecs

which is like p bad

[pearl furnace]

https://pokepast.es/098320c024dbb918
is this a good weather team?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

zap should be roost over fog

and we need to replace goodra with someone who's capable of dealing with alo

id recommend wellspring

[ornate thistle]

Ok gave gholdengo air balloon

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/a6e5ebcc2a99a396

[cobalt skiff]

you still there

i have 2 recommendations

tusk->treads
zapdos should have flyininum z and rain is jsut always offense

just always goddamn think about abusing it

for

spam, hard hitting bs

wait why is there a goodra- oh ur special wall

wait

whats the evs for @pearl furnace

wait actually im checking if tusk is ok here 🤔 ngl id prob run smth else but im checking ze optiones

what is darkest lariat for

🤦

i can tell ur rly low

@pearl furnace https://pokepast.es/8e95441471cbafe1

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/c5cc3e2624f55e1b

[cobalt skiff]

hm... let me review this team i made for u

[pearl furnace]

Oh yeah sorry mb I was asleep I put on darkest lariat originally for like in case a Pokemon uses like bulk up or something but tbf it wouldn’t have been better than like knock off or something and why not like heavy duty boots for zapdos?

[cobalt skiff]

not good, and u want offense at weather

not defense

its fine

if u want heavy duty boots then run another team sinceu either want z move or specs on zapdos at rain

at least imo

i have not seen a single perso nrun boots zap on rain

😃

oh wait

i forgot thunder on zapdos

[blazing moth]

lacks speed control and ogerpon-base isn't doing shit here especially w hdb a wellsping or cornerstone would 100 times better

[cobalt skiff]

ah, i forgot shit ofc i did 🤦

thanks

wait, is that my team

oh lmfao

[cobalt skiff]

i actually replaced ogerpon i jsut forgot to show the edit

my bad

yeah, ok thanks

[blazing moth]

idk u posted it and weren't replying any1

[cobalt skiff]

yeah im still building it

[blazing moth]

alr gl w it

[cobalt skiff]

idk why i sent that

😅

[pearl furnace]

That’s fair

[cobalt skiff]

so i want speed control and what would u add here?

https://pokepast.es/6213e301c2d7ead8

team at the moment

realized tealpon did nothing i havent eve ntested it yet

but uh yeah

iwwas still building around when i sent that

all i knew was i wanted stone edge for moltres potentially and went for rockium z to answer corv in a pinch

was the idea w the chomp set and u hye

looking for good partners foe now

[blazing moth]

make garde lele and lowk a better volc check like a fire type, also helps u deal w kyu offensively more

[cobalt skiff]

🥲 the point as mgarde webs... but ye ur probably right

oh well 😔

[blazing moth]

where are the webs

[cobalt skiff]

i shall use mgarde where she ssuspect tested at natdexuu

anyways

[cobalt skiff]

I FORGOT

HAHAHAHAHA

oops 💀

[blazing moth]

if it's webs js removes pagos and get an araq probs

u can keep mgarde w it then

and give it cm

[cobalt skiff]

ooh, thanks !

whats the coverage

f blast better or?

[blazing moth]

mystical fire

[cobalt skiff]

👍

i wish mgarde modest ohkoed +1 raging bolt

i cant believe it cant uptil now 😭

[blazing moth]

well u js dont let it cm anyways since ur faster tho

[cobalt skiff]

well if it gets time to set upm, just anyways i play mgarde too much ngl

[blazing moth]

btw u could try scale shit chomp or drag z

since it's webs u dont need rocks

[cobalt skiff]

ooh, well uyeah thats probably better thanks!

[pearl furnace]

Sorry I just had one more question how come we are running special attack landorus t instead of his normal moveset or like e quake u turn stealth rocks etc

[cobalt skiff]

its just 100 base power ground type move that never misses, surprise factor

and its a good mixed set on rain

especially w the nice sting of poison

hits wellspring

anyways

its nice bait basically

[pearl furnace]

Cool just wanted to know I’ll play around with the team later thank you

[cobalt skiff]

yea, standard is also fine !

i recommend defensive if not specs

always jsut run rocky

leftovers is shit here since u wanna end the game fast

anyways, thats all @pearl furnace

[pearl furnace]

Ty ty 🤟🏼

[cobalt skiff]

thanks for the good advice !

my team looks soooo good

:)

how did i not think of scale shot i just clicked the paste like a buffoon

anyways

[cobalt skiff]

@proper yarrow

wtf why am i fighting a fat jolt rn

wish protect jolteon huh ;-;

i mthinking av samurott

but idk yet

thats just the squad for now

the rnadom hp ice.. idfk why thts there i think thats meant to be hpfire lol

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/1d83883581f58b23 use this framework

@cobalt skiff

[cobalt skiff]

oooooooh

thanks @proper yarrow

i appreciate it

yeah ig t wave ghold is good on webs

ia ppreicate the framework good sire @proper yarrow

[proper yarrow]

Its for boots zama

[cobalt skiff]

oh i see, yeah that would be annoying if they tech slam not crunch

thx

and for 4 attacks

or wait

is there a sub variant

w no ironpress

i dont know actuallly

[proper yarrow]

Even if it's crunch

[cobalt skiff]

ig the 1v1 would feel nicer w it

[proper yarrow]

U avoid 2hko comfortably

[cobalt skiff]

anyways, i just not the biggest fan of hex ghold i know it has its uses tho

[proper yarrow]

And twave 1v1s

[cobalt skiff]

i see. gtk

ye zama top dawg

yeah team looks better thx

idk wh yi went samurott lol

ig its jsut for fencestacking

[cobalt skiff]

wait.. r u finchinator> ? 🤔

just realized u have a garchomp pfp..

[proper yarrow]

No lol

[cobalt skiff]

ok

[proper yarrow]

I wish I was as good as him

[cobalt skiff]

whats ur peak on natdexou if i may ask

mine is 1600s

atm

u?

funnily enough usinga bulky offense garde somehow, isstg that was just luck but i did d my best to mkae it consistent despite no speedcontrol i was winning ;-;

[proper yarrow]

1550 something

[cobalt skiff]

i see

[cobalt skiff]

whats ur peak at the formats u play the most ? curious 🤔

just, not smth i should be asking 2 2 much but i cant help myself 😅

[proper yarrow]

Nothing worth mentioning

[cobalt skiff]

ok 😄 thanks for the info i appreciate it !

[blazing moth]

lele not doing anything here ehen u have an mgarde tbh

also probs give hamu sd and black glasses

[cobalt skiff]

kk i replaced hamu already due to the person above and i ditched lele for modest volcarona

[blazing moth]

fair enough

u should get another switch in to grounds tho btw

[cobalt skiff]

🤔 lemme look for a webs abuser that fits

ill mess with nasty plot tornadus then

[blazing moth]

maybe sm that has a better ace mu?

u alr have chomp so u can pass on that ig but

[cobalt skiff]

?

[blazing moth]

cinderace

[cobalt skiff]

whats sm

i am

like

[blazing moth]

something

[cobalt skiff]

my brain rn also yeah

oh

oh.

is it weird i like rotom heat at my squad right now

whe nu said that

i am clearly so tired rn

i havent slept for a good while i just cant rn 💀

ill deal with this later

[cobalt skiff]

i added lando.. idk ngl im rly tired rn but its jsut there for nowim still deciding on who i want and who can monopolize on mega gardes strengths

https://pokepast.es/d94102d034795038

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt skiff]

team atm... why is mgarde at vr

i hate my life i so wanna make her work

ive peaked like 1600 with bulky offense wishfish mgarde but i genuinely think i jsut got lucky with that squad i was using

gosh

[empty olive]

Serious question what options do you have against zama when building ho

Everything seems questionable at best

Like booster valiant only being a one time thing

Or non max-def gholds being thrown out by crunches

And I mean like counters zama, not something like pagos, which only chips it

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/28723dd9ac0d1c58

[pearl furnace]

https://pokepast.es/15e07cd051a3a3e5
what do we think?

[steep river]

https://pokepast.es/c889c677ce1b0686

pls help me fill the 1 empty slot, cuz i dont know what mon should i use

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

u kinda js dance around it w ur stuff in my experience but u can use ghosts like ghold and other fight resists volc ival lele if webs or fini if screens and stuff

[low bay]

https://pokepast.es/8ed00e9ee6451555 I was originally trying to build a Tyranitar team, but things changed a bit, and the team turned into a Mega Aerodactyl team. Honestly, I knew Gholdengo would be useful, but I was torn between the Bulky Nasty Plot and Thunder Wave Hex sets. Due to a lack of volt-turn moves in the team, I gave Tentacruel a flip turn. I gave Tentacruel 252+ speed EV to outspeed Volcarona and Great Tusk, but now I'm not sure, it probably won't be effective. Chesnaught serves the role of entry hazard and a good physical tank, so I considered giving Gholdengo 252 SpD EV, but I didn't because it might not be useful. My team's biggest problem is probably the revenge killers, but I haven't found a good one yet. I'm not sure about replacing any Pokémon with Raging Bolt or Dragonite. What are your thoughts on this team?

[blazing moth]

needs rocks and you're super weak to rocks yourself

that tentacruel would be way better off with a mola or pex there

[low bay]

https://pokepast.es/7674a3fc2fdc5fd7 this is the updated version

[blazing moth]

imo take out cobalion and aero and js make the ttar mega

and put a ground there asap like lando or something

[serene hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/313009901671730d

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[serene hemlock]

Lmk what y’all think

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/f0cb27901077844d this does fine into MDia right?

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/94f1c4c0909be6fa or maybe this version

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[finite solstice]

Hi im playing in a cobblemon server, im new to competitive pokemon but im forming a team for a tournament, i wanted to get some peoples thoughts on it. Ignore tera types as theres no teras on the server, no megas and VERY few people have paradox pokemon. I had a few questions, one of which is if its worth investing into speed for heatran or to instead make him defensive instead. also, im not sure whst to use on primarina bc i heard its not worth using liquid voice and i also generally dont see it run ice beam but my team is lacking ice coverage so i thought it was ok. lmk ur thoughts, its a really unorthodox meta and format without tera so whats common might be different.

https://pokepast.es/c7f51eb9558f2fe7

If u have ideas for potential swaps lmk. heatran and darkrai are the only legenfadaries i have that are good tho

[hollow fern]

!cobblemon

[celest merlin]

Please take a moment to review the rules of the competitive section: https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1373406929317269624

Do not ask for assistance with fangames, Minecraft/Roblox mods, or other such titles. These games/mods have mechanics and available Pokémon which do not match those in the actual Pokémon games or Smogon's formats, and are often played with arbitrary rulesets.

[dawn nacelle]

Hey! I need some back and forth on how to improve my team! Is anyone interested? plsplspls

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/d45493ad74ff22c4

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

js post it ppl are gonna rate eventually

[blissful ingot]

https://pokepast.es/2fd8edf1f01199d2

[exotic gazelle]

https://pokepast.es/b494aa90d8ad6a78 I wanted a mega pinsir team and reached 1400 on nat dex with this but im not knowledgeable on team building im wondering if im missing anything huge in this

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[thorny matrix]

https://pokepast.es/618816249e48de2e any improvments

[gleaming harbor]

between these 2 teams which is better and what improvements should i make https://pokepast.es/59206b721f9000bf and https://pokepast.es/acd67aaee54788c8

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[uneven urchin]

https://pokepast.es/edf525235b9a1ed4

i tried to create a team around Mega gardevoir its pretty dawgshit but lemme know what mons to swap and what set and what should i do with that blind ahh bird

[final stratus]

https://pokepast.es/eebbae5f64bf523e team around gengar, anything i can to improve the team?

[blazing moth]

super weak to rocks and steels/glisc I'd make that dia either 4a or 3a rocks

and get a ferro check it mows your stuff way too hard

[blazing moth]

give exca rock slide zap eats this up

[nocturne summit]

I can see the rocks weakness but idt steel is that bad, the team is made to be offensive yes half of it is weak to it but also have of it has super effective move against steel types, also 3 of my mons are a decent danger to glis

[blazing moth]

sd+u turn is anti sinergetic on anything but at best scizor-mega, u also have no rocks and ur super exploitable to rocks/spikes yourself so give tusk and mola boots/av on mola cause u also dont have knock off

[blazing moth]

glisc toxtects ur whole team and then goes to the resist ur best bet is to trade w dia and your sole check to steels like ghold and melm is hamu

which is aight if everything else didn't auto die to steels

[nocturne summit]

I mean something like airballon ghold should help right?

[blazing moth]

yeah sure

[nocturne summit]

but switch it with what?

[blazing moth]

pon val or dia

ur gonna have to sack two of these eventually because ur overlapping that much

hamu stays bc air loon ghold is perfect w stack

js when u rly want hazards to stay

[nocturne summit]

ig val I don't want to overlap with special attackers and val seems the least useful

[blazing moth]

oh yeah u have no ground btw

and u still need a spinner

tusk/treads looking cool here

even lando+pagos maybe

then give spikes to dia or sm in case u sack hamu

[nocturne summit]

wait switch with what?

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/8f5c4398223d94ec

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low bay]

https://pokepast.es/a7845739d989a7d0 Mega Aggron is OP. Blaziken is still good. Rillaboom helps so much. I love scarfed H-Samurott. This team is good trust me

[serene hemlock]

Might sound dumb by try metal burst on mega Aggron over heavy slam

Also this team gets destroyed by char y

[low bay]

https://pokepast.es/25b9040f6a9a5510 This is my 4th teambuilding attempt with the Mega T-Tar, I hope I've created something good.

[tall tendon]

https://pokepast.es/eb41be1ae3bc5e7e

Made a team based around mega gallade cuz I've tripped alot of people up with magic coat before

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tall tendon]

(Willing to change anything except for the gallade)

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/4e24f906c45fdfd9

[blissful ingot]

what z move should i run then

or better yet what item

https://pokepast.es/eb2a50a24d8053b1

[quartz holly]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/“cool-to-lose-to-random-shit”-v2-peaked-1-1998-elo.3776467/

[blazing moth]

steelium good

u can keep it

if u want u can change it to like rockium but that's js cope

[blissful ingot]

wait so what would i replace for rockslide

i need equake for stab

[blazing moth]

spin

[blissful ingot]

so no hazard control or run defog on mltres

[blazing moth]

yeah js give molt fog

[blissful ingot]

k

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/34ae066e89e57237

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[woeful basalt]

heyy, Im trying to make bulky offense altaria team. Im still confused which is better
Team 1:
https://pokepast.es/6c062c28d3c87d83

Team 2:
https://pokepast.es/fd3e7583ceedf80c
Im kinda enjoying team 1 but still losing. anything i can improve? need opinions

[low bay]

https://pokepast.es/768967fc5b7966de Another team for Tyranitar

[dark wyvern]

https://pokepast.es/0a591f5f0e97c0dc
Chat i need help
Im too eq edge weak. Psychic moves just rek me and fini matchup is uh... Interesting

[lost wagon]

i need a good team

[hollow fern]

This is all over the place and doesnt really have synergy. You have multiple ways to set rain, but there arent really strong abusers to take advantage of it except the one barra. You have a torkoal for sun, but that stops your rain and hurts the rest of your team except heatran. Lapras and tentacruel arent viable pokemon, but they also stack water types without helping the team with anything it struggles with. This team is also lacking a ground type and is all around extremely slow, meaning any pokemon with volt switch will run through this. If you want to revamp this team, id personally either drop the torkoal and focus on making a rain team, or drop everything but the torkoal and heatran and focus on making a sun team

[blazing moth]

check samples on smogon forums

[lost wagon]

for national dex where

[blazing moth]

go to forums -> Smogon metagames

[hollow fern]

You can also click the link in the builder

[blazing moth]

u should find natdex there

[blazing moth]

or do this yeah lmao it's simpler

[low bay]

https://pokepast.es/9170cf6d4abc6b64 Another team that sucks, Isn't it

[lost wagon]

i have some teams

but i keep losing

https://pokepast.es/1d390194c797c59c

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

Like with the sample teams?

Oh gotchu

[lost wagon]

tell

[hollow fern]

Yeah at a glance this just has a bunch of very weird and niche pokemon without much real breaking power and an iffy defensive core

Also no removal or ground type

And some weird sets like having two stealth rock setters

[lost wagon]

[hollow fern]

Id recommend learning the tier with sample teams, they provide a great way to see whats used/good and you can ensure you have teams that provide you the tools to win

[lost wagon]

[hollow fern]

You dont have to lol, but if you want to learn the tier id highly recommend it

Makes it easier to learn from losses since it most likely wasnt the teams fault

[lost wagon]

okk

[blazing moth]

way too fire/cinderace weak in general

[blazing moth]

mawile can very well be a gambit here and js make ttar the mega also scarf tios i super mid u prolly better w lele
side note this isn't balance it's sand bo

[hard creek]

does webs have any orher good fire checks I forget

[blazing moth]

less abt checking fire more abt not being so weak to em imo

u have 3 guys weak to it

[hard creek]

do I replace pinsir for smthn else

[blazing moth]

1/2 of whatever is weak to fire

except ghold

u can also sack lando

or chamge the set at least

[hard creek]

whats wrong with the lando set ;-;

webs doesnt have rocks so like

[blazing moth]

you're playing ho with a defensive pokemon

"hyper offense"

the problem isnt the rocks

although you shouldn't bother with them much

[hard creek]

its moreso meant to uturn to stuff and set rocks and stay a bit longer than a lead would

HO has run stuff like this before

[blazing moth]

exactly, you dont need to stick around you need to kill stuff

[hard creek]

either way, I think Xard alst could work

https://pokepast.es/1339e3debde69a65

[blazing moth]

idk what ho u talkm about but that's not how any average ho works that's an exception at best and a bad team at worst

if you're using lando on webs use sd

[hard creek]

HO has at times run certain support mons like this but

most of my examples r from pastgens

[blazing moth]

when

[blazing moth]

those are completely different metas

ts just don't work here

all youre doing with lando is give opp turns to defog

that lando specifically at least

bringing up examples of past gens seems fairly anticlimactic, if you dont see it in current it's for a reason more often than not

[hard creek]

its so I can have a real ground answer and answers to some stuff like mlop

[blazing moth]

the problem isnt the lando

it's what landos doing

and

you deal with lop fine enough on lead itself

[hard creek]

I can go lead ig

[blazing moth]

no bro

i mean your araq literally takes on lop

and everything already outspeeds it with webs

so who tf cares abt it

[hard creek]

ok ok 😭

https://pokepast.es/e547afa510341842

[blazing moth]

dude dont go lead lando

[hard creek]

SD Z and then do booster on rbolt?

[blazing moth]

sure

bolt isn't great on webs anyways

ur either hit like a plush or reduce ur spatk

and u alr have a dragon btw

that's also weak to ground

and could use sd

[hard creek]

who do I change bolt for

[blazing moth]

is the lando gonna use stone edge

[hard creek]

yea

[blazing moth]

then just choose anything that can 1v1 cinderace ig

or js a special attacker

like lele or sm for example

[hard creek]

anything that compresses both?

well if im weak to ace I shld fix that

[blazing moth]

all webs team are weak to ace by default u shouldn't mind it that much

u cant 100% fix the mu basically ever

[hard creek]

I cant rly do tusk instead of lando here either

[blazing moth]

yes you can

[hard creek]

well

depends if webs can fit other good ground immunes

[blazing moth]

uh

you just freed a slot

and

[hard creek]

no I mean like

[blazing moth]

you alr have a baloon

[hard creek]

what ground immunes go with webs is my thing

[blazing moth]

ok but there's more than just lando

like torn

or sm

if u wanna go tusk go tusk

u also have Charizard

so u dont even need more

[hard creek]

unfortunately thundys a p bad Pokemon so like

ill look for other flyers

also is me not having rocks an issue

https://pokepast.es/ee31ce33ca149c45 like ts

[blazing moth]

you literally dont need one anyways

you have 2 temporary ground immunities

that's perfectly fine for any ho

[blazing moth]

it's really just a nuisance at worst

[hard creek]

while thats fair, dnites kinda psychotic as a pokemon and fits here

[blazing moth]

i dont like 2 rocks weak