NatDex OU Rates

[nimble thorn]

Okay, thank you

[round gust]

Would Garchomp or Tyranitar be a better hazard setter for this team? Or maybe something else?

[blazing moth]

it's actually weaker but ok

[round gust]

https://tenor.com/view/whoopty-doo-young-thug-gif-4418434855973214362

[blazing moth]

and the the entirety of ur team is made out of meta mons but sure

mawile it is

just get another dragon instead of latios then i guess

like raging bolt or sm

and get a scarf mon

[thorny matrix]

https://pokepast.es/8bc890bc6a80fb76 trying to build around arcanine any advice would be appreciated

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[normal cairn]

webs

[lusty basalt]

https://pokepast.es/280eaf515a959171 any improvements

feel like my biggest weakness is shifu

[blazing moth]

I'd say u turn over knock in Scizor so u bring Arcanine more easily and hit pon with it since it's your "check"

knock off wont rly bother it short term

give the knock to hamu instead i guess

[blazing moth]

I'm also not particularly feeling great about that Zapdos with a z move, your team is already weak to stealth rock, last thing you need is your flying to die by it too

[blazing moth]

u should be able to deal w it easily w zap and mola

your biggest weakness is probably opposing mola, you cant rly do much besides chip it can eventually heal off mid-long term

[soft sentinel]

i wanna use kingambit, alomomola and M latios (pls help)

[blazing moth]

gambit as a trapper, latios as wallbreaker and mola as a slow pivot sounds good

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/00d45f93e085d6aa something like this maybe

[spring plume]

https://pokepast.es/79832e69cd16e580 how can I improve this team, I’m feeling kinda iffy about dragonite

[blazing moth]

pack up the fog on lando

[spring plume]

How do I get rid of hazards

[blazing moth]

tusk

can actually do both

[spring plume]

So tuskinstead of Lando?

[blazing moth]

oh and the dnite needs roost

[blazing moth]

sounds good to me :)

u alr have a have a ground immune so

[spring plume]

Icl tho dnite has been pretty bad so far

That’s the thing, it isn’t able to kill, it could be a skill issue from my part

[blazing moth]

you can try raging bolt over it

[spring plume]

Also here I made another one I’m trying

[blazing moth]

but that set def needs roost

[spring plume]

But then crazy ground weakness

[blazing moth]

hm true

i like the dnite there tbh

checks pon and yard for u which is p useful

[spring plume]

https://pokepast.es/c549f609217f7dcf

[blazing moth]

you thind into mola tho

and pex

[spring plume]

Yeah that’s why I’ve been using

[spring plume]

What’s third

Thind *

[blazing moth]

you could also try chomp over nite and get a zap for checking pon and fog + ground immune

[spring plume]

True,who would I replace tho

[blazing moth]

garg feels off here

although checking pagos is cool

[spring plume]

It’s really annoying to face as a lead but yeah I kinda threw it on as an answer to yard

[blazing moth]

u have no immediate speed control for revenge killing thats kinda eh

blaze protect aint quite enough for me

since the opp can sub

[spring plume]

Yep, it ain’t u right

Dang

Lele was there for that

I replaced it with mlatios

But yeah I see the problem now

[blazing moth]

side note

what's this hatt spread

supposed to do

like any calcs in mind?

[spring plume]

No clue actually, I actually yoinked it from a previous team I was using

But it’s been working really well

[burnt remnant]

How is my team?
https://pokepast.es/255912626c2ee8dd

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

idt they're quite it

additionally i dont think av does anything for it either

like look

252 SpA Tapu Lele Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 124+ SpD Hatterene: 123-145 (38.6 - 45.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

moonblast it on switch -> lele forced out -> it eventually gets back in -> Hatterene dies

you team is quite weak to it (lele i mean)

slow gambit is also weird with sd i think

https://pokepast.es/c0149727f1080090 this seems better imo

but i dont like how weak you are to mola

4/6 mons thud into it and one of the ones who doesn't is a defensive pivot that doesn't like getting knocked off

the other is gambit who also doesn't rly like going in early game a lot and it needs sd to kill it, additionally gambit also doesn't like getting knocked off to an extent ig

i think a ghold>gambit could be the way

[burnt remnant]

Could you also do my team when you're done with this one

[blazing moth]

mola still checks it but it's generally a better mu for ghold into mola then the other way around

[blazing moth]

sure :)

[burnt remnant]

Thanks

[blazing moth]

js confirming is this for doubles

[burnt remnant]

Natdex isn't singles?

[blazing moth]

it is singles

i js wanted to make sure

lmao don't mind me

[burnt remnant]

Oh okay it's for singles

[blazing moth]

anyways

uh your movesets are quite off

lots of unnecessary protects and stuff

and also your team structure is lacking lots of must haves

[burnt remnant]

Wdym?

[blazing moth]

want me to start with move sets or the must haves part

it's gonna be a bit of a yap either way

[burnt remnant]

I guess the must haves

[blazing moth]

alr so ur lacking basic stuff like a ground type, ground immunity, stealth rocks and speed control

that's a bit because of the ev spreads here

[burnt remnant]

Are stealth rocks rly that important?

[blazing moth]

the speed part at least

[burnt remnant]

Since I already do have toxic spikes

[blazing moth]

yes, no joke intended it's the best move in all of Pokemon

at least in singles

most to all teams need it

[burnt remnant]

Okay but which pokemon learn it

[blazing moth]

mainly ground types, which is just another reason on why they are mandatory in every team

[burnt remnant]

Or do any of my current mons learn it

[blazing moth]

no none of em learn or use them effectively

[burnt remnant]

Would ladorusT work?

[blazing moth]

yes

it triples down as ur ground and ground immunity

[burnt remnant]

Which pokemon should be replaced for it

[blazing moth]

probably mimikyu but at this stage frankly anything can go

[burnt remnant]

I wanna keep mimiku for the z move so what about melmetal

[blazing moth]

it's whatever by me tbh

[burnt remnant]

Okay

[blazing moth]

although mimikyu is not great js a heads up

but yeah anyways

you're still

super ground weak

you need a resist on top of the immunity maybe

and hazard clearance

[burnt remnant]

I do have defog for that

[blazing moth]

do you i didn't notice

where

[burnt remnant]

I think I might have removed it I can't remember

[blazing moth]

fini?

[burnt remnant]

It was on toxapex

[blazing moth]

that's haze

not defog

https://pokepast.es/255912626c2ee8dd

js posting it again so i dont scroll up

[burnt remnant]

I had defog originally but yeah your right

[blazing moth]

pex doesn't learn defog at all

but ok

[burnt remnant]

I swear I had defog on something

[blazing moth]

maybe it was fini ig

[burnt remnant]

Now I remember I had it on mew but I removed him for toxapex

[blazing moth]

ah

anyways i think a spinner would be better here

[burnt remnant]

Sorry for wasting your time lmao

[blazing moth]

than a fogger

[blazing moth]

dw im bored af rn LMAO

i love doing rmts

i think pagos would be cool for u ngl

[burnt remnant]

What's that

[celest merlin]

Terapagos (Gen 9)

Typing

Normal

Abilities

0: Tera Shift

Base Stats (BST: 450)

90 / 65 / 85 / 65 / 85 / 60

Weight

6.5 kg (20 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[blazing moth]

turtle

[burnt remnant]

Oh terapagos

[blazing moth]

consistent spinner + pretty powerful in it's own right

one time resist can be pretty useful

[burnt remnant]

Ok so which mon should be replaced for it

[blazing moth]

fini or mimikyu

[spring plume]

Usually i magic bounce toxic onto it, otherwise use it as setup fodder for blaziken

[blazing moth]

i mean av

and even wishfish mola just flip turns all the time on youbit doesn't need to spam toxic

and even if you were to bounce it back that barely reduces the hit taking at all

[soft sentinel]

any recommendations for the othes pokes?

im new in gen 9 natdex

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/e07d6c81ed4da358

[cyan moon]

https://pokepast.es/b41a17df8ca37728
hi, any changes or something? i looking for better Hyper Offense team

[gleaming harbor]

https://pokepast.es/20499742947d057b not sure what else to add

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pine lichen]

https://pokepast.es/5160784d7f861a09 ik the special dragonite is cursed but my team's lacking special

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/4b39dc2be3d9e2df

[blazing moth]

idk a speed control like zamazenta or a choice scarfer like lando, a rock setter like ferro, lando or tusk and a hazard removal like tusk, lando or terapagos

[blazing moth]

js use zapdos or tornadus therian for that slot and you should be good ig

dnite aint rly it

for that at least

[cyan moon]

no changes? :,v

[hollow fern]

specs zapdos and zap in general doesnt fit on ho, id drop that and replace it with a cm terap, which also gives you a more reliable form of removal. if you want lucha on ho, ur prob just better off replacing grimmsnarl with a tapu koko and running the standard electric seed unburden seed on lucha. Since you have no z move elsewhere, id say run a dd sub set with z fly or z dragon. Earth power is much for valuable on lead glimm for hitting steels then spiky shield. You could prob also consider running ghold+gambit>sciz+glimm

[cyan moon]

cm? i doesnt understand sorry :,

[hollow fern]

calm mind

[cyan moon]

k, thanks for the recommendations, and dd is?

[hollow fern]

dragon dance

so on dragonite a set like this would work
Dragonite @ Dragonium Z
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Outrage
• Earthquake
• Fire Punch

Dragonite @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Fly
• Earthquake
• Substitute

or one like this

[cyan moon]

Isnt better with extreme speed?

[hollow fern]

no since theres no tera in natdex

so its not hitting that hard

[cyan moon]

I forgot it-

[cyan moon]

Aren’t there any options besides Gholdengo?

[hollow fern]

I mean u could keep sciz its just that gholdengo is able to stop toxic spikes/stealth rock from being removed by defog or rapid spin

And its nice to handle the fairies the mons like dragonite and hawlucha can struggle with

[cyan moon]

It might sound stupid, but is there another option besides Terapagos? It’s just that I honestly don’t like that Pokémon 😔

[cyan moon]

Sure

[hollow fern]

imo it fits pretty well here-is there any reason in particular u dislike using it?

[cyan moon]

I don't like the design (really stupid reason 😔)

[hollow fern]

maybe you could run hatterene instead

since magic bounce for hazards

another option you could consider is bug z volcarona over scizor and make dragonite loaded dice with scale shot

https://pokepast.es/a3f78260a3a14388

so maybe like this is an option

[cyan moon]

Hatterene isnt sooo slow for HO?

[hollow fern]

naw the low speed is fine

the main thing is having setup and being able to prevent hazards from going up

on its own it can be pretty threatening especially to bulkier playstyles

[cyan moon]

K, again thanks for the help :D

[hollow fern]

yep np!

[cyan moon]

One last thing, I was told that I should either use screens or hazards, but not mix both. Is that true?

[hollow fern]

not as far as im aware-even one of the sample teams for natdex has both screens and hazards

[cyan moon]

It’s just that they were telling me that if I’m going to run hazards or something, it shouldn’t be a suicide lead, idk

[hollow fern]

hazards on hyper offense are run almost entirely by suicide leads

its part of how the teamstyle plays

[cyan moon]

Alright, it’s just that I was thinking about using something more offensive than Glimmora but that could also set hazards

[hollow fern]

yeah replacing glim here is probably good

if you replace mega scizor, you could use mega diancie instead of glim maybe

so maybe something like this https://pokepast.es/000988da5377f95b

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

whoops

lol

[cyan moon]

it looks better :0

[hollow fern]

im glad!

[cyan moon]

thanksss

[hollow fern]

np glad i could help

[cyan moon]

hi, i alr try the team and everything is good, but, i thinking volcarona maybe can be out of the team

[unreal smelt]

https://pokepast.es/764a40d61abde8a8

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[unreal smelt]

This supposed to be a Mega Medicham Bulky Offence Team

[thorny matrix]

Cool thank u

[blazing moth]

ground immunity and fire resist

also a pivot, your own ground, hazards

looks at the roles mons provide and choose accordingly yk

like gliscor could be cool cause it can set spikes infitely and serves as ur ground/ground immunity or lando for that same reason but it has sr instead

I'd say ur time would like both spikes and rocks since u have lopunny there

u also need a knock off user like mola or something

[blazing moth]

also your Gholdengo doesn't need to be scarf since you already have lop as your speed control i think twave would be cooler there

[blazing moth]

scarf toxic?

seems odd especially since you already have status

but no stealth rocks

[amber ice]

needed a third status guy since i wanted it to be a status spam team, it also catches some people off guard

[amber ice]

i thought i could get away with it using cinderace w cchange

[blazing moth]

that's used like hazard control like defog

not as your rocks ykwim

[blazing moth]

then make it defensive

[amber ice]

ahh i see

[amber ice]

hmm

wouldnt i lose speed control if its not scarf?

[blazing moth]

zama

[lusty basalt]

sorry for late reply but is there anything I can improve upon and how is the team in general?

[blazing moth]

maybe a special attacker that kills mola over volc

[lusty basalt]

what do you think abt z koko

[soft sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/63ab102b0289fd0a any recomendations for the other 2?

[blazing moth]

u alr an elec you dont wanna thud into glisc harder

you could try pon too ig intead of a special guy

kyurem could be cool

or ghold over scizor too

[blazing moth]

i like this one a lot actually

[ornate horizon]

https://pokepast.es/f582c44b2ffd3b1f
fat team

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[thorny matrix]

https://pokepast.es/2253d80e40450f5b any improvements ?

[unreal smelt]

https://pokepast.es/764a40d61abde8a8 I tried to make Mega Medicham Team

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

would consider sr clef here and a diff guy over latias (latios is the most sensible answer since it keeps ur pon check, but zama is also an option for better speed control in exchange for a shakier waterpon mu), would also consider dropping pex or mola for smth still bulky but offensive (and maybe it can set rocks instead of clef)

[limber crypt]

this looks fine (but also rly familiar), i think wball ace > meows is an option though

[limber crypt]

this seems like alot of offense with no real defensive structure, i think of gambit or weav needs to be dropped for koko and i dont think this ace set will work on this team so maybe tioen over it, would also consider a different medi set that can deal with dengo more directly (4a with stabs fire ice punch maybe?)

[unreal smelt]

Koko ? What set would be ideal ?

Dual Screens?

https://pokepast.es/a4a6d6adab4ad6bf u think I should change any of the Pokemon since koko has electric surge?

[limber crypt]

hdb tbolt uturn hp ice roost

[limber crypt]

also torn-t over ace

[soft sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/92df4a50e88a8465 any improvements?

[gleaming harbor]

https://pokepast.es/b6e3d40f25451330

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[unreal smelt]

Pivot Torn-T?

[serene sluice]

Thats legit tbf

Torn is fast

[dark wyvern]

https://pokepast.es/fdd07a21b683d1dd any improvements i can make to this team? also this team struggles with stall

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/86f7cf33340229c3 seems decent for me although I'm kinda torn between using specs or Elec Z on koko

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[marsh blaze]

https://pokepast.es/57c7f86316a6978e

[nocturne summit]

not an expert but your medi would appreciate bullet punch to not get outsped and answer to fairies

[marsh blaze]

Maybe

And knock on Ferro

[nocturne summit]

ye either keep gyro ball or powerwhip since ferro is generally not for damaging, the knock off utility is unmatched

[limber crypt]

yeah

[unreal smelt]

Aight

That all or ?

[limber crypt]

ye seems fine

[blazing moth]

you kinda die to torn-t and Gholdengo

gliscor too to a lesser extent ig, stays in on a lot and one of the two mons that kill it needs an sd and hates toxic

also give your diancie diamond storm, hits glowking, chansey and bliss harder

and your pagos flamethrower or earth power over tbolt, tbolt doesn't hit anything that ice beam/tera starstorm/ep can't hit harder anyways

only uses i can think is maybe hitting molt, pelipper and pex (for problably mediocre damage at that)

[shrewd inlet]

https://pokepast.es/de8f9794c63d68d8

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[shrewd inlet]

this good?

[lusty basalt]

https://pokepast.es/8254b779d6fc28df any improvements?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lusty basalt]

im not sure if the torn set is good but I wanted something that can fog on dengo and keep offensive pressure in general

[tame galleon]

alright i think I get it

well...i can't say it's entirely false.

[tame galleon]

https://pokepast.es/76f2fc682d5fc41b

[blazing moth]

think you'd much rather want av mola here

you kinda have more long lasting check to mtios like that than just gambit, who can js get predicted w aura sphere

av mola can use prough to hit shit like kyurem, tios itself ig, and ival who could otherwise encore you to wish or protect ig

giving twave to ferro could also be cool idea

still solid team overall other than a bit of ival weakness

[blazing moth]

very kyurem weak

and also a bit to opposing woger but noearly as much

imo make that oger sd, you alr a solid volt turn core w rilla+zap

putting oger w u turn on top of it js makes you super easy to overwhelm with spikes

speaking of spikes give your tusk hdb

it might seem weird since it resists sr but hdb is like the best item for a set like that

cool team tho

[blazing moth]

oh also js noticed you don't** have nearly enough speed control here

get something with a scarf here or something with like 400 speed

like zama

[soft sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/92df4a50e88a8465 opinions?

[blazing moth]

super rocks weak and you lose to gliscor like really bad

give that rotom hdb or js make it wash ig

[soft sentinel]

mmm true

[blazing moth]

ion see why you'd run lefties on a rocks weak mon when you can js ignore rocks completely

unless it's specifically tornadus therian, who prefers assault vest or z if it's not running boots

same with zama there

ion see what the use of going with a z move when you js replicate the same dmg output with choice band

you're not muscling through anything significant with a fightinium z

maybe just corv after it already took a considerable amount of chip, but then again band straight up 2hkos it

if you're running a z on zama you'd probably appreciate darkium more, but yeah even them the band problem still prevails, it's js more consistent

side note but you're also extremely weak to (swords dance) ival, maybe make the alo pack play rough

over body slam, also helps u w kyurem ig

[soft sentinel]

kyurem over rotom?

[blazing moth]

what why

you already have one dragon there

that does kinda like the same role, kyurem is just slower at executing it

[soft sentinel]

hmm yes

aaaa this is so hard hahaha

i dont play since gen 7

[blazing moth]

also what does the speed on rotom do

[hollow fern]

Maybe they go zap/corv here-more insurance against oger never hurts on a team with av alo and they need removal

[blazing moth]

he alr has tios for oger but a another check doesn't hurt yea

[hollow fern]

Corv also provides a fairy resist

[blazing moth]

i like corv yea

absorbs tox

from glisc too

[hollow fern]

And helps with kyu

Its not a check but it annoys it

[blazing moth]

it's enough of a soft check to not worry abt it

[hollow fern]

Yeah

[blazing moth]

idef for sciz?

he's kinda weak to it

[hollow fern]

If u do u gotta drop uturn tho

Otherwise no removal

[blazing moth]

yeah u do

i mean u alr have 2 pivots

should be fine w that

u can suit the ghold hard wall ig

[hollow fern]

Yeah

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/7e9d20d057be8d82 @soft sentinel

[soft sentinel]

thx thx

[blazing moth]

happy to help

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/bbc64dd7b25348c0

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spring plume]

https://pokepast.es/87ead2e5299018eb
is this team any good? I want to know what I can change or improve

[blazing moth]

not the most used mon ever, but the weavile matchup is abysmal

and also lando

like scarf lando

idt zama is enough speed comtrol for your lack of longevity here

[blazing moth]

this also does pretty bad into scale shot chomp so may u could use ice beam on top the zama just tl be safer into it and other mons anyways

[proper yarrow]

If a team with zama gambit and defensive tran is weak to weavile then we need to ban it

[serene sluice]

????

[serene hemlock]

Ur only really weak to weavile if it has low kick and he catches u off guard aside from that the team looks go the only big issue I see so far is that if pecharunt dies u pretty much instantly lose to a iron valiant

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[serene hemlock]

This looks decent I’d switch koko set tho to make the normal Electrium z set with HP ice

Switch Knock off for U turn on Scizor

And uh prob run SD Rockpon over alo so u have a way to kill yard and stuff like that

And switch treads for lando

https://pokepast.es/f854aa99949876cd

Something like this

This way u have decent momentum with 3 of ur Mon having u turn

And u can pivot into things like rockpon to break defensive cores that way u can Allow hawlucha to me in late and clean up after rockpon gets rid of things that would usually stop it

[spring plume]

Seems good, appreciate it

I’ve been having success with this version of a similar team so far

I assume I can make similar changes?

[serene hemlock]

If u want u can run booster moth instead of specs but that’s up to u btw

[spring plume]

I like specs cause it hits like a truck and I can sweep with fiery dance but honestly makes sense since I can get walled

[serene hemlock]

I had good success with a team similar to this and reached 1859

[spring plume]

Dayum

[serene hemlock]

So I belive u should be able to get pretty high on ladder if u play smart

[spring plume]

Nice

[serene hemlock]

It was literally the excact team too I just had something different instead of lucha

[spring plume]

Oh that was a misclick

I meant to send a different one 1 sec

https://pokepast.es/fd5620bd9b73030a meant to paste this one

[spring plume]

Another unburden sweeper? Or a paradox mon I’m assuming

[serene hemlock]

Neither actually 😭

It was a SD Samurrot H with Ceasless Aqua cutter sucker punch

I think the move is called aqua cutter

[spring plume]

Damn

[serene hemlock]

The one that lowers defense

[spring plume]

Funny that you mention samurott

Also I realized I accidentally just sent u the team u sent me

[serene hemlock]

This loses to rain and and realistically you probably wanna use tusk over treads on this team

[spring plume]

Ah alr fair

[serene hemlock]

Also I like the hidden power rock volc

I Lwk lost my smogon tournament match to Hidden power rock Volc

[spring plume]

Yeah it deals with moltres

But yeah tysm I appreciate the help

[spring plume]

Ah hell naw man I think ima start using ur idea @serene hemlock I just got touched by nidoking

Probably skill issue tbh

[blazing moth]

what?

it's true that loses to weavile, band or hdb but especially hdb

[blazing moth]

tran is not weav check, gambit js get low kicked and even without lowk kick it js get chipped and knocked off, it and zam both do

[proper yarrow]

ok so according to you who id the best weavile check

[blazing moth]

you don't need to go out of your way to try and counter it you js gave not be so weak to it's stab

[proper yarrow]

💀

this is insane

[blazing moth]

like sacking tios doesn't seem like a horrible option

you alr check pon w pecha

and yard w chomp + tran

you don't need the defensive utility of tios here at all

it's js making u ice weak

[proper yarrow]

its actually the offensive utility

latios+spikes is amazing

[blazing moth]

there tons of mons who take advantage of spikes without

overlapping weaks

if ur usung tios u also gotta take advantage of the defensive values of it

but you aren't

that's like using melm "js bc it hits hard"

or ghold

or u can

like use another spiker

like one that doesn't have a dragon weakness at least bc i js noticed what cm bolt can do to this if you're careless with your tran

even without that mu in mind lu would probably be a better spiker anyways

yk ruination chip and shit

and u still keep the tios blanketing for yard pon and rain

[lunar mulch]

https://pokepast.es/f9c1762d09477199

Been working on a choice band Golurk team, any tips or suggestions?
Not attached to any mon except for Golurk obv
also not attached to Golurk's set, but Banded breaker seems to it's best set

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[serene sluice]

Most realistic tip would be "dont use golurk" but thats obviously boring

[unkempt stump]

https://pokepast.es/bd87730a1ec9a43e

Well this is a grassy terrain team but i feel like it's missing something...

[blazing moth]

ts is absolutely fried byurem rn i think

uhh

u might need a lot of pivot support to make a band like this work i think

maybe mola over rotom then get another ground immune

u need sm that p much always let golurk for free

[lunar mulch]

Since I have amoongus, I can afford mola I think

That was my struggle mola before, waterpon railed me

*with mola

But mola is good

[blazing moth]

u still need another replacement after this since u always need a ground immunity

also

u dont have to detour sm to check pon**

[lunar mulch]

Wdym

[blazing moth]

like you dont have to

get such a hard counter yk

esp bc like it doesn't fit the pace of your team at all

[lunar mulch]

Fair

I just struggle in team building with building offensive teams

[blazing moth]

side note u have no speed control

[blazing moth]

been there im learning offense/bo now too

[lunar mulch]

Will probably replace amoongus with a ground immune mon

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/13c641623c45d760

try sm like maybe

could be cool maybe

u could also go mlatios>dnite and use sm else over lele

you kinda die to Kingambit rn

actually scarf hamu could be cool here over lele ig

depends on how well golurk takes chomps hits

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/6a466af5048ced61 kgb problem solved ig

and now u dont worry abt chomp bc u still keep lele and now u have tusk

although pursuit gambit can be a problem

i also changed the golurk evs so u hit as hard as possible while outspeeding adamant gambit iirc

not that it'll help much but ok, you're doing it more for the adamant than anything else

u dont need to outspeed glisc now that u have mola + ferro both sit on glisc and pivot/set spikes

[unkempt stump]

umm help?

[gleaming harbor]

https://pokepast.es/b12ee440b0d3d14d is this good

[lunar mulch]

Can usually take one-two depending

But thanks a ton for the help

[lunar mulch]

Would this be more like a bulky offense, since there are 3 defensive mons with capable offenses?

[blazing moth]

yeah def bo lmao

[blazing moth]

i takes like one of everything pre sd iirc, i was doing sm calcs before

it's surprisingly not that bulky i think, sadly cause it's a cool looking dude

[blazing moth]

i dont see why you would not go for a z on ghold there especially bc you already 2 ground immunities and one does very well into tusk (rotom)

i actually kinda fw the rotom there it just needs pain split

i dont think defog doing much on rotom specifically because will o wisp can be really beneficial for guys like chomp/dnite

but u need fog too

[blazing moth]

at the end i think you js go rotom wash here tho, or else you lose to heatran maybe? your check (rotom wash) uses volt switch and whatever comes next either gets toxed or it welcomes a soon to be trapped toxapex with open arms, unless you wanna give shed shell but i dont think you need to do all that

u lose to kyurem too, even with rotom heat eating all it's hits, it js gets pp stalled

[hollow fern]

doesnt woger provide a lot of trouble for this

max physdef pex doesnt help much here cause it cant touch woger

[blazing moth]

also that but i was guessing pex could do well enough if u constantly kept it at full

give it tox tho yea

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/96cfb1cb4804c64b @hollow fern how'd feel abt it now

it needs to beat kyu still

and ig a harder pon check

[hollow fern]

yeah kyu is pretty rough

[blazing moth]

ferro?

[hollow fern]

tox pex or hex ghold can trade and lop can revenge so oger is prob managable

oh its hex no more

still

[blazing moth]

js make it back ig

[hollow fern]

just gets pp stalled

[blazing moth]

iron head

ig

hm

[hollow fern]

maybe a clef here

somewhere

helps with dragons who can kinda click atm

maybe clef>washtom

then fog on ladder

who u could prob just make a glisc

[blazing moth]

yeah this could be cool

[hollow fern]

if u go glisc this is just a sample but with different sets lol

but i mean 4 of the mons were already the same

and clef+flying ground fits nicely

[blazing moth]

😭😭

ig so

https://pokepast.es/ee23eb0b9a172429

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[blazing moth]

u could js keep lando

they're both kinda valid, ig

and get it like a scarf maybe

[hollow fern]

hm yeah

the removal isnt needed that bad

with boots on most stuff

and clef

[blazing moth]

yea tru but i think it's nice yk js in case

[hollow fern]

yeah i just mean cause scarf lando isnt that reliable

[blazing moth]

also lando helps w gambit

[hollow fern]

so its fine as only removal

[blazing moth]

@hollow fern btw can u do this one

or s&l or whatever just sm1 i guess

[hollow fern]

dont really know much to change there

prob like bulky ghold

and id switch tusk item

[gray lake]

yeah as said above this is a solid structure

i find this slightly weak to waterpon but its far from unplayable

[still spindle]

https://pokepast.es/868a3c1a58a860a8 How's this team that got me to 1500

[blazing moth]

ur kinda weak to heatran

esp if it has a grassium

otherwise is js checks ur whole offensive core

and notably sets rocks on pagos

[still spindle]

Ok

[wind night]

I’m not an expert on Natdex but How is a team with spdef Gliscor & alomomola weak to heatran? Unless I missed something & heatran has ice beam or surf

[proper yarrow]

was about to say lol

also said that a team with gambit zama spdef tran is weak to weav

can scout for grassium with tect on mola

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/e6862f873ad2feff

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[blazing moth]

it at least sits on his whole offensive core like i said, defensive is not such a bad matchup like i mentioned but offensive can kill either mola or gliscor easily with grassium + magma

[blazing moth]

that's borderlinint mind games territory atp and it's still free rocks + doesn't stop it from checking his whole offensive core

the problem is less how u switch into but more how u give it a ton of momentum

[blazing moth]

both tran and gambit get goobed by low kick btw

it's js zama

which sure is valid i js don't think it's enough with how literally everything else gets (easily) slaughtered by it

never said it's unwinnable lmao why u stuck on that comment when i had a point

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/59499a287bd07617 the hot garbage had come

[blazing moth]

this might be a bit weak to cinderace btw, can court change the rocks, kill volc after rocks, and even without I'm pretty sure it takes whatever you thow at it from full, break pagos' shell, wisp the chomp and sciz, etc

it rly cant much to dia directly tho so that's cool, but that's a suicide lead tho so that's not expected to stick around much after the first like what 3/4 turns

it technically also cant do much to pagos besides break it's shell as it's forced out but breaking it sometimes is enough on its own, especially when you slow down/kill the the other 4 sweepers

at least on paper ace always does something of value against you to slow you down by a good bit

[lusty basalt]

https://pokepast.es/e938b4f9e5213c0a rate

[celest merlin]

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[celest merlin]

Hey @nocturne summit, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldexmonotype team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060037469472555028 instead.

[dense stratus]

https://pokepast.es/d477dbc7cb37b711

[celest merlin]

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[dense stratus]

Should I keep hp ice on koko or switch for dazzling gleam?

[drowsy pendant]

Hot take: switch tbolt for gleam

you have so much electric damage with bolt + val that koko can manage without it

gliscor and lando sit on ur team kinda comfortably too so in any case, keep it

https://pokepast.es/faee595e20afc8c1 revamped an old team from the basedlord and the main thing I'm wondering is if i should use lando or skarm over corv since hazards are hard to set up

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[drowsy pendant]

Any additional suggestions are more than welcome too :)

[blazing moth]

first of all yeah keep hp ice but if I'm being honest i think it should be looking more like this in general -> https://pokepast.es/988ca7833fd92907 like this it's still lacking basic stuff like water resist, your ground type and other stuff so there's still lots of room for experimentation so you could have something like this for example -> https://pokepast.es/fede3d29e16247df

[thorny matrix]

https://pokepast.es/7a7c6c9106d23dd8 any improvments probably the most consitent tean ive made

[celest merlin]

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[soft sentinel]

I have a question: in a meta where Dyna and Mega Evolutions are allowed, and Dragapult isn't banned and all Pokémon except Ubers are allowed (except Dragapult), what kind of team do you think would be the most exploitable?

the Protean ability works as it did before (like when it first came out).

[hollow fern]

This isnt really a good place to ask tbh

Comp general would probably be better

This is for rating completed teams

[hollow fern]

Or the natdex discord

[soft sentinel]

mm ok

[blazing moth]

this is cool but I'd go with a Flying/levitate guy over something there since u need a ground immunity on that team, additionally you're also really kyurem weak

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/98293b016a35b705
https://pokepast.es/08fbd422b9957c9f
https://pokepast.es/ff0e6309fca7c3b9 you could try sm like these

I'd personally also slot toxic/taunt on that heatran

[karmic bluff]

hello guys

https://pokepast.es/1c07aecab9f4a492

[celest merlin]

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[karmic bluff]

help me improve this team plz

[karmic bluff]

i justed rejoined PS and this team brought me to 1.5k in a day, but i think its just not good enough, it seems to be able to break stall but m pretty sure its just skill issue

[dark wyvern]

any improvements i can make? https://pokepast.es/a881743907d3c75a

[lunar mulch]

https://pokepast.es/46df6465944c83c9
any suggested changes to the team?
plateuing at 1650-1700s
i feel like slowking is my weak link
almost want to swap for alomomola

[celest merlin]

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[lunar mulch]

power gem meow has been awesome for moltres, volc, and zapdos snipes

also snagged some kyurems

but I can change that too if need be

[potent furnace]

you just knock moltres and dip

only reason its coming up is because you dont have rocks

[lunar mulch]

:(

But scary burn

Aha

Replace slowking with Empoleon (rocks)

Plus flip turn, roost, and a 4th move

[shrewd inlet]

https://pokepast.es/c8962145ca8c665a

[icy badger]

https://pokepast.es/a4cc66acea930861

I tried to build a triple moth team that can kinda sorta work but I know its not optimal

[vivid prairie]

https://pokepast.es/3451436f4786abd4
First draft for a NP Pech team, I'm not a skilled builder so this might be more terrible than my gut tells me it is, I hope Pech itself is enough to neuter the stacked fighting weaknesses.

Mola I feel is very replaceable but just wanted to get cute w/ Ting, Terapagos and Melm

Sets are analysis recommended, didn't dig in too deep

[icy badger]

I'm pretty new but I built a few teams and this is the one that gets me the most wins (except my stall team but that's boring):

https://pokepast.es/39fbb1672051101d

[blazing moth]

just use protective pads

lorb doesn't do anything but make u last less in field, if you want extra power just go band at that point

[blazing moth]

just make the chomp pack rocks

like tankchomp/offensive z

and make that slowking av mola ig

the team kinda passive tho

I'd go gambit over meow or hamu over shifu

and zoro js seems like a worse lele here

like a lele without everything that makes lele good

with a lil more speed as tradeoff

i think it's not worth exploring this mon outside of ho rly

personally

[ornate prawn]

https://pokepast.es/ea45a23f4099c216

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/40681f6e6ddbfedf

[celest merlin]

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[modest gull]

Is this team good?https://pokepast.es/00c5051ff61d1d92

[unborn jewel]

https://pokepast.es/f2e64900bc897e99

Is this good

[thorn grove]

https://pokepast.es/579feb7057fe34d7 I've gotten some success with meowscarada after originally uring weavile, curious if there are any options I haven't thought of

[hollow fern]

This looks like its trying to be ho due to sheer amount of setup so id make koko a screens setter so you have a lead. I'd also change the hawlucha set to be electric seed with sub>x-scissor. Since u dont have a z move, id slot it on ceruledge instead of sash since you now have screens-i also dont think greninja fits here, its way too passive imo and you really want removal so id replace it with terap

[serene hemlock]

@thorny matrix GG

Just ran into u in ladder

[thorny matrix]

Sorry for playing soo poorly

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/993b075cee0ef36d how do I make this less passive

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[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/1df3424c62b20c8b had success w this (note its made by a low rated palyer but has success with it)

https://pokepast.es/0fc6d258531db027 -
suicune-scald protect calm mind and substitute make it a good sweeper and smogon evs to make it as my defensive tank
volcarona-wanted fire water grass core so started with volcarona and just a standard offensive set to complement my special offense
kartana-good revenge killer and acts as a secondary wincondition/cleaner
landorus-my special wall and one of my 3 leads id pick, groundium z helps with ohkos offenesive lando usually obtains
alolan 9tales-screens. speed evs for modest 252 speed raging bolt
star of the show, m-absol THE GOAT-i like leading absol mega to get magicbounce immediately and its really nice to threaten certain leads too

weaknesses so far: ogerpon wellspring, kingambit, lead i val apparently wtf (yeah cant do much about the ogerpon ngl)

[nocturne summit]

I mean so far you seem fine, although you kinda need removal, you team won't last against hazard, also switch flamethrower on volc with fiery dance, it's strictly better, also not really an expert but I don't see the point of investing in spa on 9tales it's job is to last enough to set up aurora veil so just throw them in HP

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/a04081bc925463b7

[celest merlin]

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[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/b8d9d1b15a3bd8be

[celest merlin]

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[sterile osprey]

someone got tips for the team i feel my koko valiant lucha core is strong but i missing something
https://pokepast.es/6d267dcc9094470d

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[finite lark]

https://pokepast.es/f212c75c12777be5

The idea of this team was built around is Rockpon being really good against common mons I find annoying (mola, moltres, zapdos, among others), as well as coming in on Yard once, which helps

Mgyara here has been serving as a means to counterlead the counterlead Gholdengo a lot of people go for when they see A-tales, it's also a decent switch in to a couple mons that give it a free DD, is there a better option for that? I've been Eyeing mega Xard

[low trench]

https://pokepast.es/592bedf4efb4e29a

[celest merlin]

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[low trench]

This good?

[night mauve]

WHO CAN BUILD ME A BEACH THEMED TEAM?
SPECIAL BOMB-BLACEPHALON
PIVOT/PHYSICAL TANK-PELLIPER

PHYSICAL SWEEPER-
TANK-
SUPPORT-
SPECIAL TANK-

DM SUGGESTIONS

[storm flare]

https://pokepast.es/3c1cba06db75b271 joke team

[proper yarrow]

Who are you lol

[ornate horizon]

https://pokepast.es/988cf739078d28bf

[celest merlin]

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[gray lake]

i see what your going for here but this has some structural issues that are gonna make it hard to use

mega charizard y is a rly finicky mon and it really needs reliable hazard removal to function which scarf tusk isnt gonna provide long term

yard teams usually require two forms of hazard control

also u can run weather ball on bolt

would also recommend AV mola because ur ability to switch into ghold and mega diancie isn't rly there

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/1a042153457e60b2

[celest merlin]

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[blazing moth]

dont see the point of spin drill when you alr have fog corv

and 2 mons that force ghold out

anyways I'm not really a big fan of dd ttar but this one is specifically bad bc you're not using knock off

idk the corv calcs bc idt it's enough of a pon check for how literally everything else crumbles to ot

and mb if I've been inactive woops :⁠-⁠\

[nocturne summit]

made this team while brainstorming ig, other then something like throat chop for ghold there isn't anything that impressive, another hazard check and speed boost if mb sandstorm isn't up isn't bad, and ye Ig I can test with knock off

[blazing moth]

btw u lack a bit of immediate power i think specs lele could be worth a tru

[blazing moth]

u def need knock it's like a must have

esp on tar

having either of those punch seems pointless

bc dd tar only gonna do sm late game

by that point lando/ferro gonna be chipped

threatimg a ko on gambit w low kick seems much more desirable

and also hits ferro if u afraid of it

[nocturne summit]

not a bad idea still I kinda want something that is fast enough to get rid of chipped strong threats, lele even without specs isn't weak

[blazing moth]

weak enough to give av mola an easy time

ig

but sure

this team gives corv way much of an easy time

like u actually cant touch corv

js noticed

it clicks u turn/bp all game

u chip it, it gets in on pex and roosts and then pivots out again

and fire punch tar does pitiful dmg even at +1

[nocturne summit]

I'll be honest I generally rarely ever seen av mola, realistically speaking most of the mola I'm going to see are the typical defensive set, ye Ik this set does exist but in my personal playing I don't really see it that much but ye I should have some plan for it, also no matter how tanky corv is it's bound to get chipped and killed but I can see your point, still this problem can be salvaged with good playing

and if it's that bad switching lele with specs koko solves the problem

[blazing moth]

definitely sounds like a reasonable solution

bc like sure u can play good around corv and chip it

but like the opp can play good too, and if he does you are NOT winning the mu

it's like actually 100-0 mu

all corv needs is one safe switch into pex to roost off the chip u did, which isn't hard with stuff that lures it in like shifu or mola

and av mola is like the most common of molas nowadays

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/433eb92204e8ba7d this team feels like flop for some reason

[celest merlin]

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[serene sluice]

We dont do that here

[heady girder]

av molas like 50% + on high ladder

[orchid hatch]

https://pokepast.es/fc03964960471ad6 first Nat dex I'm aware it needs tweaks idk the meta yet

[celest merlin]

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[orchid hatch]

Swapped out acrobatics for dual wing eat knock off isn't very common

Changed it works better now

https://pokepast.es/19f13c396c5fdb23

[blazing moth]

knock is present on like borderline every team out there wdym

[blazing moth]

anyways the sets are a quite off here

and you're passive too

well except for the lele there

but not running scarf also makes ur whole team slow too and u don't have the defense to make for it

and u dont have rocks

[orchid hatch]

https://pokepast.es/8e97411b4843cdf2 does this work? And yeah I've never seen any knock off every and I got to like 1270 last night

[blazing moth]

well 1270 is still rly low on ladder and you're only battling bad teams there

no offense but you shouldn't be taking into account how good your team is by battling that low on ladder

[blazing moth]

also this still doesn't have rocks and the sets are still pretty weird, especially the evs look kinda eyeballed

u could try making that gliscor a defensive sd and and ttar pack knock off and rocks, if we're not replacing anything that is

and make the mantine a wall with hdb, roost and scald

the team as is tho def needs some replacements

[orchid hatch]

I have rocks

And mantine tanks all sp attacks that arnt electric

[marsh blaze]

Terapagos needs boots btw

Ability only works on full

Also just use the EVs from the sample sets

[blazing moth]

oh u do mb but pagos is a terrible rock setter

and yeah pagos needs boots for tera shell to be consistent

[blazing moth]

and mantine can do that without assailt vest

if anything assault vest just reduces whatever longevity it has

[orchid hatch]

Right put Lefty's on it and roost

[blazing moth]

You'd probably also appreciate scald over surf there

both hit like wet paper towels but scald has a pretty good secondary effect

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-role-compendium-newly-updated-6-21-25.3716506/
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/
I also recommend you checking these out

for this team and for future teams, it serves decently as a to do checklist of what your team needs or wants (u dont have to go for every single one but aiming for the most important ones like stealth rock/spikes/hazard control is good)

and the smog dex js gives you sets that generally are pretty much perfected, although some are outdated rn

[orchid hatch]

I'll go over that maybe switch out a few I really think mantine is busted though

[soft sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/19674528ffe1a031 any improvements?

[finite lark]

Pult is banned

[stoic estuary]

hey guys! did i cook with this team?
https://pokepast.es/07cf0b32a5f01b05

Its a pretty basic webs team with some fun cool pokemon
Ribombee, webs setter. Gets webs up reliably against magic bouncers which is neat since a lot of my mons rely on them
Great tusk, rapid spin is nice to remove hazards which arent that fun to go against since my mons would like to click setup moves for as long as they can, bulk up booster speed can be hard to get rid of if your special attackers are dead.
Gholdengo, spinblocker who also abuses webs well with an offensive set
Cinderace is pretty cool, libero swords dance makes it live earthquakes from non offensive lando, gliscor and tusks allowing it to get off a swordsdance + breakneck blitz to take them down, also baits in would be checks like toxapex and alomomola who instantly explode to the +2 190 bp stab breakneck blitz coming off of 116 atk.
Thundurus is also pretty cool, double immunity makes him not too bad to switch into, and his 145 spatk +2 thunderbolts chunk out a lot of mons
wogerpon helps in the dreadful rain mu, and is generally just a great webs mon

i think this team is okayish, got me to 1500 elo for the first time, priority isnt the best though since a lot of my mons are frail on one side so i might consider specs lele to also help against the rare stall mu. Zamazenta sucks, i hate him he always wears boots to negate my webs and naturally outspeeds everyone but great tusk who cant put a dent in him, another incentive to add lele...

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

I'd advise getting in sm naturally faster than cinderace

only hope u got for ace not changing rn is tusk being in previously which js ruins it's cleaning game or betting on a 50/50 with your own ace

it also hits whatever u have (bar tusk) for se or a very high neutral dmg

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/47745fee92d1caf2

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gleaming harbor]

https://pokepast.es/43f291ad7e994bc4 how should i finish this or what changes should i make

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne summit]

the first thing i see is that you need a psychic resist or immunity, tapu lele is sweeping this team

[serene sluice]

Gonna be honest man no it cant

You dont threaten a ko on corv like, at all

[serene sluice]

This whole team gets its teeth kicked in by ogerpon

[orchid hatch]

https://pokepast.es/c7017edfd75dd350 I've made adjustments after experienceing that

[serene sluice]

How does this help?

I think you've actually just made the pon matchup even worse

Regirock does nothing and dies, and Quaq cant safely use aqua step at all

[orchid hatch]

It does safely use it though? And it dousnt get one shot unless I let them set up a bunch

[serene sluice]

Water pon has water absorb

So no, it does not

[orchid hatch]

Well I'm not talking about waterpon firepon is much more used in the lower tiers In my time playing

[serene sluice]

?

[orchid hatch]

Once I get higher I'll start making adjustments for bigger threats

[hollow fern]

Firepon is banned

[orchid hatch]

Since when?

[hollow fern]

For a while

[serene sluice]

Are you on the wrong format

[hollow fern]

Like a long time

[orchid hatch]

Im not that high I swear I just fought one

[hollow fern]

You must be on the wrong format ig

[orchid hatch]

Gen 9 Nat dex?????

[hollow fern]

Its been banned for at least 1-2 years

Yes

[serene sluice]

252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Horn Leech vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Quaquaval: 336-396 (108 - 127.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO also yes you do

[orchid hatch]

That's why I have ragirock

[hollow fern]

Here's proof

[orchid hatch]

No I believe you

[hollow fern]

Regirock gets hit by both water and grass super effectively tho

[orchid hatch]

Bulk saves tho

[hollow fern]

Alr lol

[serene sluice]

252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def Regirock: 186-218 (61.7 - 72.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[orchid hatch]

I just don't eat them set up usually rock polish scares them into switching

[hollow fern]

+2 252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Regirock: 320-378 (87.9 - 103.8%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

[serene sluice]

Even with weakness policy you just die next turn

[hollow fern]

Or they click grass move and you die guranteed

[orchid hatch]

Keep in mind I'm playing against low tier players

[hollow fern]

Lol well in terms of viability thats not really a good argument

[serene sluice]

Keep in mind this really doesnt matter

[hollow fern]

Ur response to woger is "they arent gonna use it well"

[serene sluice]

Cheesing people wont help you climb ladder

Because thats what this is pmuch

[hollow fern]

^

[orchid hatch]

But I don't want to climb the ladder? I want to beat people in lower tiers for fun

[serene sluice]

Uhh

I guess man

But im just saying even a low ladder player would probably 6-0 you just with ogerpon + corv

[orchid hatch]

Ooh true need corv counter

[serene sluice]

Tbolt lele is fine but you're also choiced so, being the only thing that hits corv super well isnt that good regardless

[orchid hatch]

What's the best corv counter

I was considering beli bolt but you know

[serene sluice]

Please do not use beli bolt

[hollow fern]

I mean thats fine-but if ur sending ur team asking for advice it doesnt make much sense to just refuse it all imo

[serene sluice]

You dont need a corv "counter"

You just dont need your entire team to let it come in and roost 50 times

Also give mega ttar knock off

[orchid hatch]

Hmm

Okay

[serene sluice]

https://pokepast.es/004d8e1911e9c2c0 heres what id probably due for your team, tbh – though it probably still has some direct problems even revised like this

Like you still lose to pon tbh

[orchid hatch]

There's not a pancake on the team sadly but that does look a lot better

[serene sluice]

Prob defensive zapdos > moltres if you dont want to lose to pon still

[orchid hatch]

Thank you for the help

Ight

[serene sluice]

Yw

[ornate horizon]

https://pokepast.es/ed97685ef119e2a3
I got no idea how to counter wellspring

[serene sluice]

Zapdos is alright over moltres as a soft pon check

[ornate horizon]

But then I lose to zard-y

[serene sluice]

Do you?

[orchid hatch]

As soon as I tried out this team I met my first waterpon😭

[serene sluice]

Does bolt do poorly into yard?

[serene sluice]

Link it i wanna watch

[orchid hatch]

How do I do that

[serene sluice]

Copy the link of the battle and paste it here

[ornate horizon]

I need to thunderclap predict which is so hard because zard also learn scorching sand

[orchid hatch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2498129729-jsavthgao8gc2hy4joxvawbbcyg22pmpw

I know I suck don't push

[serene sluice]

Yea go def zapdos > moltres

Also please do not sack your tapu lele anymore

[orchid hatch]

Ohh

Okii

[serene sluice]

Remember alomamola is your main spdef tank, even with its high spdef stat lele probably wants to preserve health

Even if you switch alo in once just to flip turn out thats fine

[orchid hatch]

Right I'm not used to regenerator I also got fat thumbs and press the wrong pokemon when I'm switching

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2498131866-w4p2fsa8ye3s3wvn92sh9eqer0h141npw I won but it was close. I fell like I can't really deal with any kind of bulk unless I set up and the scarf restricts tapu a little too much sometimes but I need that speed

[serene sluice]

Thats the nature of choiced items, just means you need to play aggresively while using them

You shouldnt use HP fire on a rillaboom with no grassy terrain up, you should expect it to switch out so that it doesnt die

[orchid hatch]

Also what's the point of ho fire if it's that weak?

[serene sluice]

Also you really shouldve been proactive about killing drifblim

[serene sluice]

Steel types

[orchid hatch]

Ah

[serene sluice]

Completely walls gliscor (which i guess is my fault, i shouldve made it knock off + facade)

Though tbh idk if thats as good in natdex

Also realizing the team was that weak to SD urshifu earlier on wouldve helped you a ton

You took out 3 mons with that alone, now imagine if you were more proactive and threatened out his mons with it after killing rillaboom

[orchid hatch]

True

Does heatran run flame body or flashfire more often

Too late but I still like to know

Also idk about ttar pursuit is fun and got a few kills it it's not living long enough to set up rocks and attack

[stoic estuary]

im having a hard time understanding any of this

[blazing moth]

cinderace kills you basically

I'd say u could try getting sm naturally faster than it so u dont waste ur booster tusk on the early/mid game

[blazing moth]

flash fire fs, flame body had very little usage over the years but you COULD try to use flame body if you can bluff flash fire effectively, not worth the hassle tho imo because heatran is not amazing at taking physical hits

if u want a flame body guy moltres is ur man, it even keeps a handful of checks that Heatran also checks like sciz

[brazen yoke]

https://pokepast.es/d4566e81679aaa57

https://pokepast.es/1db1b53774371a17

Which version of this team do y'all think is better? The booster speed one is meant to help a bit with scarfers, but I think priority would be better

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/8ae59b8a764f2ed2 my newest hot garbage

[blazing moth]

i kinda like this but ur a good bit pon weak how'd u feel abt torn-t over lando, scarf shifu and koko js as a normal pivot w hdb?

[nocturne summit]

i mean sure but why make koko hdb?

[blazing moth]

makes u a fair bit weaker to cc scizor tho but if u keep ur torn healthy and in field before scizor gets in u can heat wave it, or trade for sm chip on it and then kill it w tusk

[blazing moth]

koko is super hazard weak so it's js generally a nice item to pack especially for a mon thats gonna spam u turn

[nocturne summit]

Tapu Koko @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Electric Surge
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Thunderbolt
• Roost
• Hidden Power [Ice]
• U-turn
  this set?

also I'm guessing you mean av torn?

[blazing moth]

nasty plot z

u alr have hazard control and a special tank so a lil power can come in handy

[nocturne summit]

that set is RNG hell 😭

[blazing moth]

i mean

the selling point of z is that u dont miss

on top of the added power

also bleakwind over cane hits a fair amount in my experience

[nocturne summit]

ye but kinda of one time thing, after that rip if you have bad luck

[blazing moth]

i mean

u only need one

if ur gonna fs taking sm down w it

it's a breaker not a cleaner

for that u alr have shifu and gambit

[nocturne summit]

Ig you're right, neither way with all those changes what are the mons I should be worried about?

[blazing moth]

even tusk ig, if u keep bu but i think hdb stabs+spinner and spin could be worth a try

[blazing moth]

well idrk u could try and take it for a ride to see if there's any mu's u should manage

pon can be handled by torn no sweat but u should probably be careful w offensive scizor tho

the good thing is that offensive scizor isn't the most common of sights

and it doesn't run roost so maybe u can trade

and defensive sciz ur fine into it

[nocturne summit]

the mega dianice mu looks scary if urshifu dies

[blazing moth]

hm kinda maybe u could try av gambit over sd

or msciz

msciz dies to fire but switches into everything else so if u play smart w ur switches ur fine

[nocturne summit]

now that I realized it I still have an empty spot for mega, maybe i can switch gambit with m-sciz?

[blazing moth]

yeah that's what i meant lmao

mb

[nocturne summit]

I have a mon who's completely immnue to fire and one that has some decent chance to tank one, fire shouldn't be that bad of a problem

[blazing moth]

it isn't nah

but i js realized u kinda lack solid water resist

u could try bolt over koko, which actually helps u a lot in checking yard, pon and sciz

and u dont rly lose much speed at all

[nocturne summit]

oh ye good idea, priority would be decent, also should I use hdb set or something else?

[blazing moth]

yeah pivot hdb is fine

https://pokepast.es/73792c0fd828b059 kinda like this maybe

u could try dnite or chomp over bolt here for a better mu into volc, i like the idea of chomp with sclale shot a lot since it's not afraid of pex nearly as much as dnite and can break sub from Volcarona or js become faster than it after a scale shot boost

and pagos over tusk so u dont overlap (if u choose chomp, that is)

https://pokepast.es/a661aaaae3e57f71 so overall sm like this

pagos is also cool for the shell+flamethrower which can assure u dont get snowballed by scizor

it's a lot different now sadly but i like it a lot i think it's defo worth u give it a try after the changes we made

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/3cb9ece71d860513 mega gard webs :)

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

most of this is fine

araqanid set is really weird and im not sure why bandtar is here

[cobalt skiff]

im sure its not perfect, its a rough draft

made it in 5 minutes

[cobalt skiff]

oh uh i am still deicidng what dark i want... also want a flying ngl

[potent furnace]

mystic water isnt worth

youd be better off with the custap endure set

[cobalt skiff]

im thinking of a couple mons but idrk, oh uh ye thats just smth i did lmao

[potent furnace]

its standard for a reason

[cobalt skiff]

what does custap endure again? ngl i mostly use araquanid on svru

not on natdex

[potent furnace]

if you do /smogdex [pokemon name] it'll give you sets for whatever you put in

[potent furnace]

lets you web on guys who are faster than you

[cobalt skiff]

OH i see i see

thanks

[potent furnace]

its better than sash because you get to move first

[cobalt skiff]

i mostly use import export sample sets given there

[potent furnace]

and you can endure > custap > endeavor something to get it to super low hp

vs sash where youd just click webs and then die to the second hit

[cobalt skiff]

as for like a ground resist/ psychic immune ngl idk who i wanna go for

[potent furnace]

custap endure lets you at least knock something to one hp

[cobalt skiff]

and i kinda only have 1 slot

[potent furnace]

psychic resists arent super required

imo

[cobalt skiff]

i just hate cheese.

its preffered

[potent furnace]

what cheese

[cobalt skiff]

but i agree ground is more important

[potent furnace]

stored power?

[cobalt skiff]

alot of psychic cheese in general in my elo

[potent furnace]

you've got great tusk as far as grounds go thats pretty good

i will say

[cobalt skiff]

true... but uh ye

[potent furnace]

i prefer booster speed bulk up tusk

over boots

[cobalt skiff]

if u coudl recommend a last mon id appreciate it

ok thanks!

uyeah i agree

i love outspeeding ngl

[potent furnace]

one important thing for webs

[cobalt skiff]

im thinking of, hm?

[potent furnace]

is being able to win with webs not being up

so you do need something that's just generically fast

[cobalt skiff]

true...

[cobalt skiff]

my first clumsy brain told i val but ngl idk i dont need another fairy breaker so

[potent furnace]

i dont like val

if you want to run it imo you're pairing it with koko regardless

which we are not running on a webs team

[cobalt skiff]

real

[potent furnace]

i think galarian moltres is a funny mon

[cobalt skiff]

i could go lele with webs.... also makes sucker punch mind games more fuckin bearable

[potent furnace]

if you're looking for a more fun pick

[cobalt skiff]

YO

[cobalt skiff]

I AGREE

fuck hurrimiss tho

but i like it

i forgot that mon existed

thank u!

[potent furnace]

just click fiery wrath

smile

yea run that over tar

[cobalt skiff]

it fits my requirements perfectly

[cobalt skiff]

lov u 💋

alr

wait

wait

my intrusive thoughts won

my bad

[potent furnace]

i will say

imo best set on that guy is fly z

so you can run like booster on bolt

its basically the same power wise

[cobalt skiff]

i actually likemagnet raging bolt alot 😅

idk its a habit of mine

[potent furnace]

magnet works too

[cobalt skiff]

its one of the ways i get to my peak

its pretty cool

[potent furnace]

just make sure if you arent drag z you go pulse over draco

[cobalt skiff]

is life orb any good btw ?

[potent furnace]

ehhhhh

no

imo

[cobalt skiff]

ik, ppricate the heads up mightve forgotten

[potent furnace]

its useful on very specific guys

but generally its not worth

[cobalt skiff]

ok i appreciate the rmt! may i ask who u r at natdex? just curious 🤔

[potent furnace]

about15gals

[cobalt skiff]

i can only rly peak low 1600s and conssitnently 1500

[cobalt skiff]

i meant like peaks etc etc 👀

[potent furnace]

o

[cobalt skiff]

and what type of player u r, like into offense

[potent furnace]

i peaked like top 5

during tera meta

[cobalt skiff]

i just like to wonder

[potent furnace]

been taking a break lately tho

[cobalt skiff]

nice

oh

ew

tera meta is ew

only reason i play natdex

[potent furnace]

i built a team w pads hamu + mmedi i liked a lot

[cobalt skiff]

whats ur opinion on terapagon on svou?

[potent furnace]

the turtle or the mechanic

[cobalt skiff]

whos hamu?

[potent furnace]

samurott hisui

[cobalt skiff]

no just terapagos in general at svou

[potent furnace]

hisuian samurott > hamurott > hamu

imo not worth getting claused in

[cobalt skiff]

with a complicated ban on its tera which it wont be doing much as a support anyways

[potent furnace]

i think it would be a net positive for the tier for it to be added

but also ou cant just do that

[cobalt skiff]

why not? i genuinely like the idea pinkacross gave out