NatDex OU Rates

[proper yarrow]

And yard too ig

[gritty dove]

who do you think I should replace

[gloomy grail]

Weak to Pon and Yard means you need a Dragon

[gray lake]

if u wanna cover both on an offensive team ur usually looking at dragonite or mega latios

[proper yarrow]

maybe tusk and dragonite>terap and lando

tho that is weaker into offensive ground types

[sour birch]

https://pokepast.es/af97b2fc176e2a3e crappy team but I'm getting somewhere, I'm winning more than 0 times which I see as an absolute win

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sour birch]

I had a great tusk for hazards before but I couldn't get him to work and basculegion is fun

[hollow fern]

I'd recommend using sample teams/viability rankings to help learn the tier more, only garchomp and aegislash on this team are viable and team has lots of defensive issues, looks pretty all over the place

[sour birch]

It is

Pretty fun though when it works

Against like half brain dead players

[hollow fern]

Lol makes sense

The basc set is pretty cool

Reminds me of subroost kyu

[sour birch]

Yeah Its actually really handy

It can do some pretty good damage and do the pain split substitute shenanigans

I had the idea of that and I looked on Smogon and it's an actual thing so pretty neat

[hollow fern]

Oh nice

[sour birch]

I could possibly use that with a rain based team for some crazy stuff

Scarf thunder vikavolt could work because it wouldn't miss in the rain buuuut I'm pretty sure there's better speedy things

[hollow fern]

Yeah fs

[sour birch]

I just like scarf vikavolt it's funny

They expect a sticky web then get one shot

[hollow fern]

Bolt, arch, and zap all use electric moves on rain pretty often

[hollow fern]

Lol I could see that

[sour birch]

Oh yeah I should try arch it's sets are pretty cool

Plus has bulk which is big good

[hollow fern]

Yeah fs

[sour birch]

Anyways I'll try all that tomorrow, thank yaa

[hollow fern]

Lol yeah np hope u have fun

[sonic jetty]

hello!!!

https://pokepast.es/fd387a4b0eada7a2

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sonic jetty]

theres prolly a bunch of issues, sry lol

ik contrary isnt allowed on exe alola but im playing a game version where they have some balance changes and that js caught my eye

[proper yarrow]

Alolan egge and vaporeon are completely unviable

[sonic jetty]

what do you think i should put as replacements? or should i start from scratch

[proper yarrow]

If it's your first pokemon team, I'd recommend starting with the sample teams first

Thread 'National Dex Sample Teams' https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/

[sly tulip]

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 112 Def / 128 SpD / 20 Spe
Impish Nature

• Swords Dance
• Bullet Punch
• Knock Off
• Roost

https://pokepast.es/4599ac7c4a9ed8ba

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sly tulip]

Meant this

Sorry

I think i dont have hazard removal

Prob main weakness

[next forge]

Just go defog over heat wave on zapdos

[sly tulip]

Ok

[dapper prism]

https://pokepast.es/072f659dbc9c49ef
First nat dex team built. In a tourney that you cant use legends or paradox pokemon. Anything I should change?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[next forge]

!nolegends

[celest merlin]

Please take a moment to review the rules of the competitive section: https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1373406929317269624

Do not ask for assistance with arbitrary rulesets or restrictions placed on teambuilding, we will not help with them in this server. The competitive section is only for formats hosted on the Smogon forums, such as VGC and OU.

[next forge]

Billions must use Landorus-T and great tusk

[proper yarrow]

Better grounds exist I'm afraid

[thorny berry]

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[next forge]

!nolegends

[celest merlin]

Please take a moment to review the rules of the competitive section: https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1373406929317269624

Do not ask for assistance with arbitrary rulesets or restrictions placed on teambuilding, we will not help with them in this server. The competitive section is only for formats hosted on the Smogon forums, such as VGC and OU.

[thorny berry]

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[next forge]

u ask for teams to be rated here but we dont do weird requests like that

[thorny berry]

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[grim coral]

um um

i ned help

innovating interesting team!

[proper yarrow]

Nuh uh wtf

[hollow fern]

Gmax stun shock bee

[modern wadi]

It's powerful like that

[hollow fern]

Why iron ball aegi?

[modern wadi]

Idk it looks cool

😅

And bulky attacker

[modern wadi]

Gyro ball

😔

I think gyro ball is 120 or something with its speed

[grim coral]

trust

definitely a real

ribombee move

[molten ocean]

https://pokepast.es/70b8a35998fd503c how can i improve on this team? It worked well for me so far (~1500-1600 opponets) but feedback is always appreciated

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

No need for rocks on lando when ferro has them

Out of curiosity why weather ball on bolt?

[molten ocean]

well i wasnt sure what the last move should be so i thought if they use smth like zard y it could catch them off guard

[molten ocean]

alr ill prob switch it for smth like stone edge or taunt

[hollow fern]

U could go volt switch

Nice pivoting core with cind

[spring quiver]

https://pokepast.es/093b088236d50562 I want to replace Magearna and Tapu Lele on this team, what mons fit their roles? (Nat-dex Ubers UU)

[celest merlin]

Hey @spring quiver, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9nationaldexubersuu. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[wanton kernel]

https://pokepast.es/ec5076045892245d
help me improve this please i want to fix any weaknesses

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

Alo and corv feel out of place here

I do have changes in mind but it's probably best to wait for the raters

[fossil beacon]

i think ur kinda fucked by special walls

[hollow fern]

https://pokepast.es/f54c337d2cb7148b

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/5717ec6ff28d9b82

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

@limber crypt

[limber crypt]

has this struggled with anything? It looks very solid, like the one change id make is prob sd pon and then tankchomp for a sturdier ground since you have enough breaking power

[hollow fern]

ival is the main one prob that ive encountered so far

[limber crypt]

same with this but it looks like ogerpin can repeatedly cudgel vs this so i would consider some pon check over torn or pagos

[limber crypt]

maybe dengo > melm and/or torn over zap

[hollow fern]

any specific reason for torn>zap?

[limber crypt]

lets u revenge kill, think the only way it can gets through is its +2, booster, and ur torn is chipped

[hollow fern]

alr thx

[zinc oyster]

@somber dagger give him some advice menn

[fair stone]

mdrrr

je lui ai montré en MP

too much weakness, drop the build

[somber dagger]

you are everywhere wtf

darkrai is ban

[somber dagger]

this worked well in seasonial https://pokepast.es/84b447573cc3cc04

you can prob go with koff tusk if you really want

[fair stone]

thx

[fringe moon]

any advice how to improve this team
https://pokepast.es/0b9b764f23b43111

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[naive anchor]

This isn’t the place to ask for teams. If you want teams look at the samples or the team bazaar

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/d18ac8d6f677431d
snow team

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

this seems very pasive and mcx is generallyy an ho only mon, so mtios over zard and ghold < corv, i can think of over stuff like hamu over pon and lando over lu but those arent really necessary

[limber crypt]

i think alotales > lele, scarf lando > lu, and heatran > vish is the play here, as well as sub sub hdb zolt, hving glowking as ur only setter is asking to get pressured bd vish sucks

[hardy frigate]

thanks for advices! how about this one?

https://pokepast.es/f6eb057fc7422b09
alomomola changed to relaxed

[limber crypt]

sand isnt particularly good imo, there are two directions i can take this team, one is based on mtar and the other on mtios but both will be less sand foxused

[sly tulip]

https://pokepast.es/117a3ae0f21ef959

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sly tulip]

I need to fix this team

I feel like i am lacking hazards

[limber crypt]

u lack a ground as well, i think the play here is offensive tusk over pagos and bulky ghold over kyu since this lets u preserve alot of the bulk on the team, u can also try scarf lando instead of tusk with fog zap since this does need speed but that leaves u with no rocks again

[sly tulip]

Ok

https://pokepast.es/561a33e6a884cb43

@limber crypt what do u think of this

Cb zama team

[limber crypt]

rocks pagos is prob not it, think u can make glisc sr and run hamu > kgb to preserve spikes

and then drop rocks on turtle, teams a little slow so consider scarf hamu

[sly tulip]

Ok

[sly tulip]

I have no knock user now

[hollow fern]

u could use knock on hamu

[sly tulip]

Scarf knock can be bad

[hollow fern]

do u really need sacred sword when u have a zama for gambit?

[tired kettle]

https://pokepast.es/4b4e0b06d9fea773

my team trick room gen8

[robust vine]

https://pokepast.es/5ac50b17f15e0bac

What need to change for be this team good

[subtle topaz]

https://pokepast.es/593e0c4e222604e6

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[subtle topaz]

please review and tell some weaknesses

[proper yarrow]

Av ghold boots lando and burn up yard

[subtle topaz]

🥶

not burn up

its blast burn

[proper yarrow]

Whatever

It sucks

[subtle topaz]

i thought this was cool

damn what improvement does it need

[proper yarrow]

I'd scrap the whole thing and use samples

[subtle topaz]

boring boooo

[subtle topaz]

weakness found, ogerpon

ogerpon after a sd ohkos the entire team

[weary fjord]

https://pokepast.es/71fc3b8dbf7db777 sand team ✌️

mostly having trouble with stuff like iron val when my dengo gets low

[proper yarrow]

There are several weaknesses

Ghold also cooks

And hyper offense runs this over

[weary fjord]

https://pokepast.es/e4ad3d539a51d30f
comtemplating on whether to change toxic out for roost

mainly need wisp for stuff like kingambit

and burn on phys attack switchins

e.g tyranitar

[subtle topaz]

could be true

does this team have no synergy?

[fossil patrol]

https://pokepast.es/93f1ea216d5c42b6

I tried making a more defense oriented team but deoxys Def isn't working well, I'm thinking of replacing it with one of the donphan paradoxes but idk which one

[celest merlin]

Hey @fossil patrol, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/03cc4e14a617e369
hazard stack @set up sweeper
spe 27 for gliscor mirror match
(last u turn)

[hollow fern]

No removal

You could make glisc defog

Since it's already a pivot set

[hollow fern]

Team lacks speed control which is partly why it struggles with pon

Couple of the sets are wonky too-lando doesn't really need boots, scorching>blast burn on yard, make zapdos defensive to help with oger, and ghold a standard set

[subtle topaz]

what does speed control mean

[hollow fern]

Fast pokemon you can use to revenge kill

Teams generally have either a pokemon holding choice scarf or smth with high base speed like zamazenta

[subtle topaz]

ohh i get it

[hollow fern]

Especially on more balanced teams

[subtle topaz]

youre right

hmm

what addition would you suggest

i wanna use mega zard y

and ghold is necessary

zapdos was great against the lead landos

i guess i gotta replace lando

scarf lando 🥶

and ghold with av paired real good with molaalola

basically all tapus are cooked

(maybe not the setup finis)

[sly tulip]

https://pokepast.es/6bdd29d9125648bb

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sly tulip]

Latios just there because zard y

Ban zard y

[subtle topaz]

: (

[hollow fern]

I think you'd much rather just go with normal ghold, having reliable recovery and setup makes it much more consistent and threatening

[subtle topaz]

okay

guess we stick to the basics

what about "speed control"

scarf kartana

?

[hollow fern]

Depends on direction you wanna go

[subtle topaz]

i'd like balance

cant go super offensive really

wait doesnt tapu lele counter sableye

also i realised running zard y means hurricane accuracy drop

bye bye zard y

[hollow fern]

Yeah

[sharp glen]

https://pokepast.es/1002ff7afd443d55 my personal webs team
https://pokepast.es/4685bb460122f052 my mega gyara veil team
which has more overall good match ups/is better
?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[subtle topaz]

https://pokepast.es/5df007c29388a99a

Im back with 2nd team this time i tried sticking to the basics

yeah never mind

instantly gets melted by zard y

[turbid maple]

https://pokepast.es/04fddcb3000cf012 building a team for my friend who likes volc, wanna know if its any good

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

Make lando a dragz chomp

And make oger a ghold

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/d15ef34d0de176ba

https://pokepast.es/32c68b1e54885ed5

which is better,also improvement

[sharp glen]

https://pokepast.es/f1334b0d1da17471

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sharp glen]

updated mega gyarados team pls rate

i cant make it better then it already is rn

[sly tulip]

Use ninetails as your setter

[sharp glen]

isnt she 4x weak to mscizor

[sly tulip]

You have a gholdengo and raging bolt for scizor

[sharp glen]

gholdengo is more so hazard control block so my only real option for dealing with it is raging most of the time

also kartana becomes a real threat i need to play around even more so

if i go atails

this is an offense team made to pick up momentum with chip to prepare for mega gyarados to feast upon the enemy pokemons souls with set up

veil is too hard to set up

cuz i need to play the weather wars

and am 4x weak to steel

while not being extremely fast

the only real advantage of atails i feel like is freeze dry and encore and the fact i dont need two turns to set up screens

while its advantages are good it doesnt really feel like it fits here maybe if i had a fire mon/move id consider atails

unfortunately i dont

[sharp glen]

any other suggestions?

[sly tulip]

Maybe hatt

Blocks people from fogging your screens

[sharp glen]

i mean dengo already does that

[sly tulip]

True

[sharp glen]

plus isnt fast enough to set up screens

nuzzle could be as speed control tho

[sharp glen]

anything else?

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/d15ef34d0de176ba

[white condor]

https://pokepast.es/3b47478c37ab7f40

[turbid maple]

whats a good pokemon into mega diancie?

[vague nexus]

https://pokepast.es/58ea0906707e2c08

some attempt at an offensive oriented team maybe even ho idk

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vague nexus]

m-scizor

[vague nexus]

band or boots on weavile, taunt fini instead of rwash, and you might wanna replace kart because having weavile and kart isn’t really synergetic u could probably switch to a spatk scarf mon cause your team is entirely atk based and it’ll get slowed down by heavily defensive mons like corv, sableye, and pex

[sharp glen]

https://pokepast.es/47eef538b1d20a4d

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing cliff]

Any ideas on how I can help improve this teams zapdos and gliscor match ups?

https://pokepast.es/29040789c98ad1f9

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ornate horizon]

https://pokepast.es/48477241931ea6d0
Any idea to help to fix a team to improve nasty plot tornadus matchup?

[subtle topaz]

https://pokepast.es/bd912ba2f2719b31
yeah i need suggestions on what to use at the last slot

i wanna use the ghold-zard core

[blissful ingot]

Need help for this BO team

https://pokepast.es/f3364e14c2560b99

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[slow grove]

https://pokepast.es/d2b5b9a84a385f1a need help with moves and items

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

Make volc bugnium make tusk a chomp make oger a terap

[slow grove]

thanks

[proper yarrow]

Make dnite roost with ice spinner and eq

[proper yarrow]

And change ghold for gambit

[slow grove]

alr

also can u help me with another team I have

https://pokepast.es/19ac1a650365c1be

[mystic helm]

https://pokepast.es/2ade10efbaaff74e i notice my team is very weak into zard y. Is there anything i can improve

[proper yarrow]

Glisc and tang don't fit here

And bb gren should be orb

[mystic helm]

what mon can i switch em for

[wicked spruce]

https://pokepast.es/8884dfd83af5376a

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wicked spruce]

first try with double dance fini

[proper yarrow]

Cooked by fsight

[wicked spruce]

surely gambit does smth

does lu>gambit work

but then its very lele weak

[proper yarrow]

Getting cc'd yea

[wicked spruce]

what can i do tho 🙁

[next forge]

protect glisc

[wicked spruce]

protect>turn?

[next forge]

is ur best bet methinks

no roost

[wicked spruce]

(dumb brain

mb

also marnie wanted to say hi to u

[proper yarrow]

Also needs hazards

U need a way to beat down zama

[wicked spruce]

this scor is doing like 5 jobs 😭

[wicked spruce]

id fini

ok so do i need to revamp this

[proper yarrow]

Fini has no reliable recovery

[wicked spruce]

like if yes what i keep besides that fini

isnt scor a check

or ice fang is smth here

[proper yarrow]

Ye it's there

But prot let's u get past the initial fsight+cc destruction

Then u can go to fini to force a switch

But u need something to punish zama switching in

[wicked spruce]

why is no one judging my fini btw

[proper yarrow]

Esp u even have knock gambit for it

[wicked spruce]

toxic on scor somehow is fine

i can drop uturn

[proper yarrow]

Yea man toxic in Misty terrain

[wicked spruce]

just a bit on anti synergy

(why do i think of telepathy fini)

kyurem seems mid here tbh

fini takes fat well already

what if i go ferro>gambit and smth>kyurem here

[mystic helm]

Can any1 help bc im very poopy at teambuilding

[slow grove]

https://pokepast.es/19ac1a650365c1be

[next forge]

4 priority mons with lele

[slow grove]

s that bad

oh

terrain

[next forge]

.

[slow grove]

yeah I forgot

[hardy frigate]

he hate flying type maybe

[proper yarrow]

Also scarf jet shifu is just so underwhelming

Like banded is already not the best thing in the world

Does 50 to -1 chomp for example

[blissful ingot]

Need help for this BO team

https://pokepast.es/f3364e14c2560b99

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[subtle topaz]

https://pokepast.es/bc27a0445735fa10

yo

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

Uturn>fell stinger

Mbees basically a uturn bot

[subtle topaz]

ohh

true

i didnt actually get to use fell stinger in any games

thanks ill try that

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/bd6b5d97ade5894f

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

Worried about the zama mu

[wicked spruce]

its chomp

[proper yarrow]

And ig yard too

Maybe hp rock volcarona can be real on this team

[sharp glen]

https://pokepast.es/cf84425b7e0c1788

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mystic helm]

any1 have a HEAT greninja team ?

[fickle folio]

https://pokepast.es/92477a6041842a82 need help with this team, what mega would work well with this team

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

not every team needs a mega

You want a rocker last for sure since hazardless is not the way

Utility glisc (so like rocks or spikes or fog) seems better over SD

also sub>dragon pulse on serperior

last is pretty flexible but maybe mdia?

I don’t think maero is particularly good right now

[fickle folio]

I was running a M Diancie but its so weak to mainly equake and bullet punch

[potent furnace]

oh wait

just run yard

durrr

taunt over pjab on kommo asw actually just remembered

[fickle folio]

10% yard?

[potent furnace]

lets you 1v1 pex

this team is fine into grounds between serp and gliscor and wellspring

you do a lot of offensive pressure on them

fire move kommo should handle it

handle mzor*

[fickle folio]

Ferrothorn is screwed against ogerpon

[potent furnace]

so run superpower

[fickle folio]

I like my kommo, serp and gliscor core tbh thats a great offensive combo

[proper yarrow]

Maero and glisc ain't it

If u want a rocker for webs

Use drag z chomp or something

[fickle folio]

Z move is on kommo

[wicked spruce]

😭

[proper yarrow]

Yea

[proper yarrow]

Atleast give it taunt or something

Ig

[proper yarrow]

Brother

[fickle folio]

There you go

[proper yarrow]

It's the best offensive stealth rocker in this tier

[fickle folio]

Tbh i may run a Iron treads

[wicked spruce]

( the fact is that when u comment about garchomp the credibility decrease drastically)

if it’s not u very trustable 😭

[proper yarrow]

Yea like how u talk about clod

[wicked spruce]

fr

i never talk about clod competitively

i think at least not that much

[proper yarrow]

Yea well I can't talk about chomp outside competitive

The casual fans start larping about cynthia at the mention of garchomp

[fickle folio]

https://pokepast.es/749c0c160554cc32 this okay?

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/dec0d238b7f10e9e

[celest merlin]

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[potent furnace]

nothing of note

looks good

consider heat wave torn over knock but thats like it

[dusky carbon]

Doesn’t ghold beat 5/6 of that team

[fickle folio]

https://pokepast.es/3865e4c64325d5c3

[celest merlin]

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[potent furnace]

tankchomp handles it

also why i said heat wave on torn

[hard creek]

tankchomp has to handle a bunch of things so itll get overwhelmed and what if its steel z

also I lose to gambit

[potent furnace]

steel z is fake

dont worry about it

[hard creek]

ive been hearing abt it more

or just np z in general

[potent furnace]

p sure you live a ghost z

tankchomp does at least

[hard creek]

Building in this tier genuinely makes me wanna bash my head into the nearest wall

[potent furnace]

also donty you just outspeed and kill

[hard creek]

When will it be not ass

[hard creek]

not offensive gholds

Like why do people want ND players to think outside the box

this is what happens when u think outside the box

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/e9bb1dbaf10c94f0

am i cooking

[wicked spruce]

cuz theres chomp

so yes

[proper yarrow]

@limber crypt (i usually dont ping ppl for rates but i would like to ask for help rn)

@potent furnace

(this feels wrong)

[potent furnace]

where is your defensive backbone

you've got a boots zap and that's it

[proper yarrow]

its offence

[potent furnace]

half this team is sd sweepers

thts not offense

that's HO

just go all in make zap a rocks lead and make zama idbp

maybe ghold over gambit or smt

[proper yarrow]

do i just make it zama screens

[potent furnace]

or that

[proper yarrow]

alright

[potent furnace]

but then you probably want to drop mpins

[proper yarrow]

yea

[potent furnace]

because you can't deny rocks and have no hazard control

[proper yarrow]

no problem

[agile pivot]

I need help!
Im using this Team in National Dex OU, with no Ogerpon,-Mini tour
What Pokèmon should I look out for/be cautious of?
Like they could easily cripple me?

[potent furnace]

umbrella blissey is not it

no clue what that corv set is doing

magnezone is not at all common so shed is useless

just make it idbp

boots on gweezing

boots on bliss

corv can be helm or lefties both work

drop counter for shadow ball

on the blissey

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/e813bd8696c199a5

Rain team

[celest merlin]

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[potent furnace]

don’t run ice punch pert

rocks or superpower is better

also manaphy is overlapping with greninja too much so one of them should get subbed out

[mystic helm]

What pokemon on a rain team can deal with w-ogerpon

[potent furnace]

Tornadus can

pert can with proper coverage asw

[mystic helm]

i alway want to build a team around greninja but often have little success with it. just build another team, is there improvement to it.

https://pokepast.es/fd44af5abac1734f

[celest merlin]

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[proper yarrow]

This is a gen 7 team

[mystic helm]

Yea i take a look of natdex sample team and try to fit gren on

[hollow fern]

https://pokepast.es/84986d79c4db4a92

@limber crypt

[blissful ingot]

tried to revamp and old team and was wondeing how i could improve on this

https://pokepast.es/e4a189baaad60f9b

@limber crypt

[limber crypt]

this needs power so offensive tusk > glisc and ig glasses hamurott > corv just to give you alot of hazard pressure, think this gives a nice mix of power bulk and speed

[hollow fern]

doesnt that make me have no ground immune

also is hydrapple not enough power

?

[limber crypt]

do you want to keep this around rillaboom? Think you can go pex > prim, earth power lando > tusk, and ig zama > sciz

[limber crypt]

oh oops, zapdos instead of hamurott should work then

z apple is fine but its not given alot of opportunities to really set up so having something with more immediate power is probably the way

[hollow fern]

alr

[blissful ingot]

Yeah

[blissful ingot]

What about hazard removal

[limber crypt]

lando should be defensive defog

[blissful ingot]

So in this case would I run stealth rocks or not focus on hazard setting

[limber crypt]

heatran can run rocks

[blissful ingot]

You right

[fresh osprey]

hai …. this is my team (obv) https://pokepast.es/aa5b8edbfcee12a8
this is kinda basic cause i took a lot of inspo from other diancie teams i saw diancie has protect so i can lead with her and (almost) always get her mega up … i don’t love using kingambit but i thought he made the most sense defensively and offensively so. he’s there

[hollow fern]

protect isnt needed on diancie

its used in gen 6 because speed doesnt change the turn you mega

but in current gen it does change so it doesnt do anything to have protect

[fresh osprey]

sorry i think i may have not explained well (or im missing something) she has protect not because of speed, but to allow her to have her mega up even against unfavorable match ups so i can switch in to magic bounce later. but what would you recommend!! i feel like stealth rock is the best choice here and then i can give ferro something else

again sorry if i didn’t understand ur point

[hollow fern]

all good no worries i misunderstood why you chose protect

but it still isnt very useful-youre better off just mega evolving when you can

having magic bounce active isnt very important on such a frail mon

ur prob fine with just a coverage move last

[fresh osprey]

yes i was thinking that … i already have defog anyway so like

ok i’ll do mystical fire then

thank u 💞

[hollow fern]

yeah np

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/ec34a58fcd57e4af

[celest merlin]

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[amber ice]

armarouge is supposed to be the star mon

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/3e9beccc92123861

[hollow fern]

Go z over lefties on ghold, the team is really lacking in immediate power, gliscor needs either protect or roost so you probably want to drop spikes for that, and lop needs fake out so drop either uturn or axel for it

Teams wellspring mu looks very rough as well

[obtuse ridge]

https://pokepast.es/e3c9445a4838bcd7

[celest merlin]

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[obtuse ridge]

sm1 rate ?
mega medicham team

[gray lake]

this doesn't really look like a sticky web team tbh, you have no way to deny the opponents removal and none of your pokemon particularly benefit from it except for maybe medi itself and even then its not a very good abuser of the move

also the volcarona set is off and the whole thing is pretty weak to wellspring

you could probably make araq like spdef garchomp and try to play around wellspring but it would be a challenging mu either way

[obtuse ridge]

then what do i do for wellspring

[obtuse ridge]

i thought corv countered

not like i am letting it sd anyw

[gray lake]

corv is ok but can be chipped down

but if you play well its probably not bad

[obtuse ridge]

well , i wanna know what i can replace araqu with anyway since ngl i just added him for a possible fire resist/ hazard setter

ion think garchomp is a good fire resist replacement

[gray lake]

garchomp is a great fire resist

spdef chomp is one of the best volcarona and mega charizard y answers available

and heatran asw

[ornate horizon]

https://pokepast.es/7615438354f55ca6

[celest merlin]

Hey @ornate horizon, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen8nationaldex. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[mystic helm]

https://pokepast.es/970434c27c770139 Rate ples

[celest merlin]

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[limber crypt]

screens koko or zama over alotales and gholdengo over sciz should work for this, volc over ceru or gmolt isnt necessary but is alwo an option

and i would def do sd 3a @ sash for ceru, bulky cloak just doesnt see use here

[mystic helm]

I love the bulkup ceru set from ou. Against some matchup it outright win

Also once an tspike goes up. It donzo

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/059a727f81238ee7

[celest merlin]

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[proper yarrow]

Why is there an alo or medi on webs

[hardy frigate]

I thought medicham×web is good

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/3396164eef37296b

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/e7f19d7bcb2fbdb2 If I cant fix this team ima quit ND

[gilded shale]

how's my team

[hollow fern]

These sets are unviable and the same goes for some of the pokemon

I'd recommend using sample teams to learn the meta and what the pokemon do

[gilded shale]

thanks for the advice iv been playing normal reg for about 5 months so its a bit strange for me to play NatDex

its pretty effective it won against its firs battel

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/3f153258c7102d85

[celest merlin]

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[amber ice]

was trying to make a serperior bulky offense team

understandable if serp doesnt work on this archetype 😭 building offense was just too hard for me

this game is hard schlawg 💔

[limber crypt]

no one finds it easy we just try to get better

[amber ice]

fair enough

[limber crypt]

this is a solid srart all things conaidered, i would make hamu the scarfer and serp subglare

[amber ice]

how so?

[limber crypt]

think lando over glisc is the play as well

[amber ice]

bet

[potent furnace]

also drag z bolt

imo

i dont like booster when z is available

[amber ice]

tbh i like booster more for revenge killing with bolt

thunderclap*

[potent furnace]

revenging what though

like you should be good at revenging w/ hamu

[limber crypt]

i find scarf serp middling when it cant outrun booster ival and anything else can compress its utility, but this team still needs some good speed control so haju gets the scarf

[potent furnace]

^

[amber ice]

ahh

makes sense :00

[potent furnace]

scarf hamu's outspeeding pretty much everything non boosted and the only guy you would be worried about is booster val or like scale shot chomp

but betwen lando and mzor you've got those threats handled

[amber ice]

sweeet

check this

https://pokepast.es/23e46f29c31a5150

oh woah

sorry its supposed to be knock off over sacred sword

hmm

hows my scarf kartana matchup lookin like?

[potent furnace]

fine

mzor

[amber ice]

sweet

[potent furnace]

also keep sacred

knock isnt worth

you've got it on mzor already and you want to not thud into ferro

also great for revenging gambit

[amber ice]

ahhh

that makes sense

thanks folks

hmm

im just worried about not having enough knock off for the hazard stack part

[potent furnace]

you're good

mzor is enough

[amber ice]

coolio

thank you folks 💯

[limber crypt]

hamu wont be spikestacking as much now that its scarf anyway

and u have enough power where even if u dont have hazards ur good

[amber ice]

oh hell yeah

[amber ice]

i just realized

i dont have any hazard control

[potent furnace]

could go fog lando if you want

but honestly fogless is like fine rn

or fog mzor but fitting that’s kinda hard

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/1663ad29182c776b

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

another take on serp offense

just realized i dont have priority

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/5de2a06f188dc471
Hydengo stall

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/f4853d37fb201c76

ceruledge HO

[wanton kernel]

https://pokepast.es/d4ebe429d4bffc5d
looking for suggestions

[amber ice]

serperior screens offense
https://pokepast.es/f66735829760f0b0

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

psyshock on hatt

but otherwise this looks good

psyshock is good because it lets you win cm wars

noise is kinda worthless

[amber ice]

ahh gotcha

coolio

[amber ice]

also quick update, changed tera blast to sub on kyurem

[amber ice]

thanks :DDD

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/991f2fe5fa6181ee

update on ceruledge HO

[amber ice]

im thinking of adding a tusk here too

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/5de2a06f188dc471
Hydengo
(hydreigon×gholdengo)

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/9e4b5dc9a31f8e76

Feraligatr Balance

[amber ice]

rillaboom balance

https://pokepast.es/940d0515b3d05b50

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rigid torrent]

https://pokepast.es/7bf724238d7fe6c1

Made this a few months back no idea why its scarf h-samu with a zama and a booster speed moth i do remember loving av terapagos even if everyone prefairs boots

[celest merlin]

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[limber crypt]

think ep scarf lando and defog zap should work for this, torn over zap might be better too since waterpon kinda thrashes this

[potent furnace]

also boots zama is better than lorb if you want to go 4a

pagos should also definitely be boots to preserve tera shell

[limber crypt]

think u can drop moth for ghold and run boots terap since lele kinda wrecks this, boots zama too

[amber ice]

fair enough

[amber ice]

bet

[amber ice]

what kind of torn btw?

[potent furnace]

this was about kaneki's team

[amber ice]

oh mb

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/8d648a6ce40d7dbb

[limber crypt]

ye this works

[amber ice]

sweet

[chilly mirage]

https://pokepast.es/b0da63039da844c5

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/2127e3a7a1fbf3ec
lokix balance

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/a471e2040c28f65b
Rain team
It can deal with waterpon bcuz greninja has sludge wave

[celest merlin]

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[hardy frigate]

216 Timid allow to outspeed max speed adamant mega medicham

on zapdos

But idk which is popular rn

Jolly or adamant

[amber ice]

update: https://pokepast.es/e77eac52899802e5

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

pivot spam balance team with lokix!!!! ive been having a lot of fun with it and specs koko has been putting in the work

[floral cave]

what do yall think about my team so far? i'm stuck on finding some more teammates for them

I normally can come up with 1 or 2 mons and get stuck on the rest

[glacial spire]

Chat, what’s your thought on my team?

[proper yarrow]

Pretty bad

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/03246801388366ba

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

Tried an ss ou idea in ndou

[floral cave]

How does the team look so far?

Samurott-Hisui @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Sharpness
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 0 SpA

• Encore
• Ceaseless Edge
• Razor Shell
• Knock Off

Nidoking @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Sludge Wave
• Earth Power
• Ice Beam
• Flamethrower

Great Tusk @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 12 SpD / 244 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Rapid Spin
• Close Combat
• Earthquake
• Knock Off

I dont have a tera for great tusk yet

[proper yarrow]

U won't need it

Tera is banned

[hardy frigate]

Tera only able to use in nd ubers/ag
or sv

https://pokepast.es/47eee30654ac0578

balance team maybe

[hollow fern]

You should post teams using pokepaste

[hollow fern]

Pex doesn't fit on webs team

Also extremely weak to hazards

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/8567678e20438b98

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

another lokix balance team, this time qith CB zygarde 10

actually working pretty well together!!

zygarde is only really walled by grass types but moltres and lokix rip them apart

koko is there for more immediate power and speed control

[floral cave]

https://pokepast.es/56e98848e16c3410 I finished the team, what do yall think about it? I got little to no help making it

[floral cave]

What should I replace nidoking for? he hasnt been getting too many ko's on my team or doing too well, he's gotten like 5 ko's across all 12 games I've had him in

The best things on my team has been kyurem and great tusk

Galarian slowking has been good at supporting kyurem too

I just realized its curious medicine

pretend its regenerator

[astral belfry]

https://pokepast.es/4fc6e7620bd7acfc So uh- this is my sun team- i really need to replace my typhosion because im crashing out on the times he shouldve killed something with eruption in heatwave

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/92d17875a14fc42e
Mega gyarados team
can deal with char X/Y after clefable calm mind

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/4ad5da31712920e3

weak to grounds i feel

[floral cave]

https://pokepast.es/786ad01a809f6192 rate my second team ever

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

needs a water resist

very badly

id run ferro over hamu

rest is fine

[floral cave]

I love samurott

Isnt ferrothorn mainly good on rain teams?

For the fire to get dropped to 2x instead of 4x

[potent furnace]

just dont stay in on fire moves

simple as

[floral cave]

alr

[floral cave]

Thoughts on the team? https://pokepast.es/448e25f430906228

[torpid ruin]

I'm new to making competitive teams in pokemon.
How am I doing? https://teams.pokemonshowdown.com/view/1277161

[hollow fern]

These pokemon and sets are unviable

I'd recommend checking out sample teams to learn more about what teams look like and what the pokemon in them do

[hardy frigate]

.

[hollow fern]

team struggles with yard a lot as clef isnt switching in

also no speed control

and id drop spikes on glisc for uturn/knock

[plush lintel]

.

[proper yarrow]

Air balloon on treads perhaps

[plush lintel]

ok

[stoic estuary]

https://pokepast.es/7681943c969e1113 rate my first team ever!!! 🙂 i feel liike the ev's werent done very well but otherwise how does it look?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy frigate]

That's right,but I got answer now https://pokepast.es/8f5d0ddd87427b68

Wait Toxa hp ev 248

[proper yarrow]

Why is there av swords dance

[stoic estuary]

Uhhhhh i mustve misclicked, meant to be leech lifeq

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/6f8860164aa5f936

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vast tendon]

first time back in a while

[limber crypt]

has this struggled with anything in testing? Id imagine kyurem and pursuit are annoying, but you pressure the former and the latter is rarer now

[vast tendon]

not really ive just thrown it together

thought it looked good on paper

want it to be funny was considering lele to boost purge even more

maybe even base lati with a dif mega

[limber crypt]

Not possible, lati levitates so no boost for it

[vast tendon]

damn forgot abt that

but yeah mega ttar a huge issue just lost to it

[limber crypt]

would consider tusk over lando then

or zama > ursh actually that makes more sense

[vast tendon]

that gives me an iffy lando matchup tho no?

also 4a zama right?

nvm it gets ice fang

[limber crypt]

nah its pretty limited between taunt lando, ferro, and latios

[floral cave]

https://pokepast.es/37993d84360d92e7 what kind of team is my team? I mean like is it balance or something else. btw if you have any changes you think would be good suggest them

btw im running slack off on slowking for certain situtations

where he needs to kill something

[vast tendon]

thoughts on flip turn over roost on matios?

i havent found myself clicking roost a bunch

also throwing weavile in could be fun for pursuit trapping

or even molt tbh over something idk

[limber crypt]

eh not a big fan of 4a tios, roost gives it alot of leeway in how it performs, idk what youd drop for molt ngl, outside of glowking but im not really sure that changes anything barring a better kyurem matchup

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/a0e733187b9726bb

trying to build around dachsbun

wow this pokemon is buns

literally

i was originally trying to make a fat balance team but i couldnt do it

to be honest i thunk fat balance would be better with dachsbun

https://pokepast.es/b8b84bde1f36ee10

maybe something like this

i havent tested it yet, just something i cooked up quick as an example

maybe wis mola for double wish core or something instead of av

[proper yarrow]

Cooked by dice chomp 🔥

[proper yarrow]

Dachsbun is beyond unviable

[hollow fern]

Both of these teams are lacking hazard control

Not the top one mb

But the bottom one fs

[hollow fern]

At least it can wall yard

So it can uh switch in and stall sun

[proper yarrow]

Get obliterated by solar beam?

[hollow fern]

252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Dachsbun: 127-150 (39.9 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

If it's healthy it switches in and wish+protect stalls

Dachsbun looks very passive tho

And it's stats are questionable

Wow this things movepool sucks

[proper yarrow]

Needs some chip and it's cooked

And is so fucking passive

Gives it a free turn to roost or something

[amber ice]

yeaaaaahhh 😭😭😭

[amber ice]

oh yeah kust realized

well at least i know its unsalvageable now

thanks folks

[fading leaf]

https://pokepast.es/b20ec338b1235309
incredibly new to pokemon and i chose them according to how much i like them

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

Imo you should start out with sample teams to learn about the meta

These pokemon/sets are mostly unviable

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/70aba683d73a4cd2

kommo-o balance

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/ae1ce66af3bfd6cc
Hydreigon×dengo remake

[proper yarrow]

Very soft into mdia

[proper yarrow]

No removal

[amber ice]

oh true

[amber ice]

should i make it scarf lando?

[proper yarrow]

Idk

https://pokepast.es/589c455ea428c24c surely this is salvageable right

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[grand willow]

https://pokepast.es/828317ade4b00979 Tried to build with special infernape

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[grand willow]

[hexed needle]

rate my team new to natdex https://pokepast.es/8c0ae5f829c55eae

[potent furnace]

balloon on gholdengo

zama should be IDBP

rest is good

between screens zama and sub mdia you've got 2 pokemon that want to be the lead

this is looking more like a mdia rocks lead team than a screens one

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/a4f767515c4b0222

update on kommo-o

[proper yarrow]

This is a sample I think

Yea it is a sample

Brother said "rate my team"

[proper yarrow]

Might get shredded by mlop maybe

[hexed needle]

it is well it got recomended to me by a friend

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/03703e1e2ad5812c

greninja offense

[proper yarrow]

Make garchomp a lando

Maybe

[amber ice]

scarf lando?

[wicked spruce]

never expect this from u

[proper yarrow]

Defensive

And pech+ghold is a bit weird

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/65c5de0aec8672c8

update

its feelin pretty good

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/bfb1c4a86882504f

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

update....on....kommoo.....

[harsh hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/a4e35ed753652847

i feel like slotting toxic on glowking but im not sure

[amber ice]

also should i make it av torn

[fickle folio]

Gets hard countered by fairy, so have a steel or poison type to kill the fairies and then put in kommo to sweep

[hollow fern]

its not z btw

[fickle folio]

Then its pretty much useless

[hollow fern]

defensive is a real set-at the very least its on analysis

[celest merlin]

Hey @verbal steppe, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

[uneven vigil]

https://pokepast.es/9362c146bf631a4d just built this team, trying to improve it. might switch rocks on chomp for lando

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/ff4e2970d3aacdb5

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

KINDA PROUD OF THIS ONE

lowkey......

[gray lake]

I think the main issue here is that the team is extremely slow

you could consider making kommo-o a stealth rock set and then make lando a choice scarfer

[amber ice]

hmmm

[gray lake]

but having kyurem as ur fastest mon is kinda unacceptable

[amber ice]

ahh but i kinda like taunt for stall breaking

its nice against haze mons

[gray lake]

i mean i get that but your crippling urself against far more of the metagame by not having a speed control option and that would be the best way to address that

[amber ice]

that makes sense

okay bet

https://pokepast.es/0473a74a98ccd901

hows this lookin

also should i make mola wishpivot?

just so it can wall more

[uneven vigil]

built this offense team a few days ago, the defensive and offensive cores are pretty damn strong imo, trying to improve

team:
https://pokepast.es/96aa3ca604dd96be

[gray lake]

I'd say no, there isnt much here that needs wish as the team is very offensive and u need the pivot into ghold and mega diancie

[amber ice]

gotcha

[uneven vigil]

any oppinion on my team?

[amber ice]

oh yeah

i have an alternate version of the team

i cant decide which one is better

https://pokepast.es/7b9ff0c88053fb14

check this one

[gray lake]

similarly its just way too slow tbh

and bolt needs speed to outrun grounds

if lando was scarf it would work

[uneven vigil]

i have 2 priority attackers and chomp tho

[uneven vigil]

set?

[gray lake]

chomp isnt anywhere near fast enough and the priority isnt reliable enough in a lele metagame, absolute slowest speed control teams can get away with is torn-t usually

the guy above has a good scarf set

[uneven vigil]

lemme see

ill test them out both teams one with scarf one without

anyways is the team good or have any problems except this?

[prime fulcrum]

https://pokepast.es/5de1f58d411c3df6 mega pinsir webs ho team, thoughts?

[hollow fern]

https://pokepast.es/99445848c128a681 @limber crypt

[bronze thistle]

https://pokepast.es/63864d2a9acfc57c Anabel theme team

xurkitree should have focus sash, electrium z was a mistake

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/57b8e1025a4149cf

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vast tendon]

really wanted to try to make mchomp work

[potent furnace]

av hamu feels really weird here

youd be better off with like pex

[vast tendon]

i was thinking but hazard stacking seemed fun to me

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/e30020b9b606525c

RATEEE

Help meeeee

[ornate horizon]

https://pokepast.es/df55502204cf6a13
I don’t know what hazard clearer should I replace with Mon on my team

[proper yarrow]

@limber crypt

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/ab8ee3459f52bdeb

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

No rocks

[proper yarrow]

How do u go lokix->lando->mdia 🥀

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/bb35c2f9d4ad8e25

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy frigate]

retry of hydreigon×dengo

I replaced dengo power gem to tbolt

[hardy frigate]

and replaced mega scizor to mega diancie

[stoic estuary]

https://pokepast.es/7ade395b7a7e7edf

thoughts on this bulky offense?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[unkempt oriole]

Sun team with some under utilized pokemon. https://pokepast.es/93534855e42bcaff

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[grand willow]

https://pokepast.es/5084111a19955dbf any changes I could make to this team

[finite sierra]

https://pokepast.es/dbd7599f8b97eee9 chat did I cook

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gray lake]

i fw this kinda heavy pivot+fuck you breaker kinda team but this is too slow

and fini doesnt rly do anything

if you make lando scarf and replace fini with a stealth rocker i think u got something tho

maybe ting lu since this doesnt rly like ghold

i think some of the sets could use some optimizing too, check out the dex to fix the raging bolt and mola sets

[finite sierra]

thank you ! Yea I kind of wanted to cook with fini but I will try Lu. If I may ask, what's wrong with the Mola set ?

[gray lake]

mola doesnt rly need hp investment because its hp stat is alr huge, its more effecient to pump its def and spdef to make it best at taking hits on the mixed side

so just max both

also instead of scald u want protect so u can stay in and heal urself

or stall out turns vs toxed mons

most use heavy duty boots so they can pivot freely but helmet is fine

[potent furnace]

I did a kind of similar team to this I’d recommend boots bolt

as well

[hollow fern]

https://pokepast.es/5cdac0d76eb934bc

[broken igloo]

heyy everyone this is my team https://pokepast.es/e09aec2139938af4

and i want help to improve it

i struggle against chansey teams and drought teams mainly

but im very new and havent matched against alot of teams yet

[wanton kernel]

https://pokepast.es/b575765567a9c48d
wanted to use mlop and specs koko

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/f53c88e5ea675f30

[hexed needle]

https://pokepast.es/3564e87307bc1f96 did i cook

[proper yarrow]

Not in the slightest

[hexed needle]

what should i remove or improve

[proper yarrow]

Scrap the team and pick up q sample

[stoic estuary]

https://pokepast.es/8e9d6984c3d2fa3f

i think im actually finally done, after days of reworking the team ive made it actually not lose on preview to a bunch of stuff while actually harboring mons i like.

managed to get to 1400 elo with this, not that high but i still think its nice.

The main gal here is cinderace. With good positioning and pivot if i manage to get her in against someone like alo, gliscor or non scarf lando i can click swords dance, live a hit and then not much in the metagame eats a +2 breakneck blitz.

glowking and meowscarada both provide pivoting and speed control, and future sight lets me force out certain mons that i can answer to.

Thundurus without specs is actually a really nice lead, with his speed tier and moveset a lot of bulky mons dont like staring him down, great in the sun mu against lando, yzard, tusks and raging bolt.

ferrothorn makes me not lose on preview against rain and has a nice defensive pairing with glowking

any feedback is appriciated, im down to try anything :D

[gloomy zodiac]

Chat first time playing

https://pokepast.es/533163bbb3607e52

rate this hyper offense core plz

and also please help me find good choices for the last two

[hollow fern]

these sets are pretty weird except for gholds

and ttar/scarf kart/glisc arent really ho mons

and btw no need to change the tera types since tera is banned in natdex

[sudden wasp]

https://pokepast.es/6deafcb8aa194996
This team needs some real work, I think it's okayish but can be greatly improved. I'm just too bad at teambuilding lol.
Any help would be greatly appreciated

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wicked spruce]

https://pokepast.es/cdef45955ccb3c81 ( dengo is annoying and unsure with the defensive synergies)

[hardy frigate]

Fuck dengo hehe

[wicked spruce]

😞 that thing is annoying everywhere

[hardy frigate]

But that team looks good

[wicked spruce]

[hardy frigate]

Spe 224 allows to outspeed great tusk

[wicked spruce]

(well its just a smogon set)

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/e91e474ab7ae2161
Idk what I am doing

I need to replace latios to smth

Rain/sun team is heavy

[prime fulcrum]

https://pokepast.es/4f492b49e535332a posting this again

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/1b9164c7473856eb
Sun team
Pokémons are using sun well

[stoic estuary]

https://pokepast.es/49c0a37542576366

i think ive made a team im happy with, this is doing really well and im almost at 1500 now, any glaring weaknesses that are gonna become apparent once i hit the big boy leagues i might want to know about?
its kinda just a cookie cutter webs hyper offense tbh

[zinc sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/8c71ff70daedb4d6 ok, here is a HO team focusing around mega charizard y. Note that it is NOT a sun team. while it has been working well, I feel like it could do better. Do I need to change anything in order to improve it?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

this team is super lele weak

[zinc sparrow]

referring to my team?

[potent furnace]

yes

your only fairy resist is a mega charizard y

[zinc sparrow]

ok, what do you suggest I do?

[potent furnace]

drop hamu

and maybe gambit too

ghold over gambit for sure I’m thinking who to put over hamu

[zinc sparrow]

hamu was designed to be a hazard setter, if that helps

[zinc sparrow]

hey @potent furnace, you never figured out a replacement for hamu in my team

[potent furnace]

oh i was on a bike ride i forgot

[zinc sparrow]

so, do you have any ideas?

[potent furnace]

make hamu taunt sash lead

idbp zama

and make tusk booster

can also drop hamu for a webs lead like araq

[zinc sparrow]

idbp?

[potent furnace]

iron defense body press

boots zama on HO isnt good you lack breaking power

[zinc sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/3f18e1a5ab05122f ok, how does this look?

[potent furnace]

dont run roar

run substitute or stone edge

dont run sedge act run sub its way better

also bulk up over rocks on tusk

[zinc sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/868f80508a67c383 k, any other changes?

[potent furnace]

tbolt > wball on bolt

you can only afford wball if you run a heat rock guy imo

[zinc sparrow]

k, anything else?

[potent furnace]

no

[zinc sparrow]

perfect! thx man

[hardy frigate]

...

[unreal smelt]

https://pokepast.es/6728d93e49778d69

First team I feel confident about in Nat Dex

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @potent furnace, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[unreal smelt]

Switched to Nat Dex for smth easier Ig

[hollow fern]

Lokix and rotom frost aren't really viable and this team lacks stuff like speed control and hazards

If you wanna learn the meta I'd recommend sample teams

[unreal smelt]

alright

I agree with the Rotom frost but I needed protection from ground and water

cause I cant js have one

and Lokix is there for priority against Dark, Psychic

a lot of those typings in my matchups

[unreal smelt]

hazards I don’t really care but maybe I should add them so thanks for that any recs on how to fit them in ?

[hollow fern]

Change the tusk set to ice spinner+rapid spin+stealth rock+headlong rush

[nocturne willow]

What matchups? Psychic types aren’t exactly the most common, and the best one comes in with built in psy-terrain, while the most prominent dark type in gambit is neutral into first impression anyways

[stoic estuary]

https://pokepast.es/1be621e41030f181

managed to get to 1500 elo with this HO team, any feedback is appreciated. I havent noticed anything specific i get obliterated by, but maybe ive just gotten lucky mu wise.

[unreal smelt]

Yeah i always have been encountering psychic and dark types

[nocturne willow]

like?

[unreal smelt]

Hatterne

Grind alr

Grimmnsarl

Incinerate

[nocturne willow]

A: lokix doesnt beat either of them

B: incineroar isn't even a viable pick

honestly neither is grimmsnarl

[unreal smelt]

First impression and u turn it always one hit ko for me

[nocturne willow]

dkiss ohkos

or almost ohkos, puts it out of kill range

[unreal smelt]

Ur right