NatDex OU Rates

[proper yarrow]

Volcarona is missing many evs

And idk what u were going for with that

[tame galleon]

tbh me neither

but imma follow what you said already

[proper yarrow]

Then if u don't know what ur doing

[tame galleon]

oh wait i remember now

[proper yarrow]

Use samples

[tame galleon]

i wanted to do something off-meta (to throw off opponents) yet still effective

[tame galleon]

all of these are sample sets

...just from memory

[proper yarrow]

Sample teams

[tame galleon]

oh

oh yeah

hey btw

[proper yarrow]

Thread 'National Dex Sample Teams' https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/

[tame galleon]

Volcarona with 252+ Spe 8 SpA and 248 HP is good or ?

[proper yarrow]

I wouldn't know

[tame galleon]

yeah fair enough

would you know why knock off over throatchop ? Knock loses power if opponent has no item :/

[proper yarrow]

Well

U make sure that the op doesn't hv an item

Which is huge

[tame galleon]

hmm

yeah

makes sense

now one last question

you think wonder guard or tinted lense for sigilyph ?

[proper yarrow]

Sigilyph is unviable

So I wouldn't know

Tho magic guard is an absolutely outstanding ability

[tame galleon]

alright i'll be back with a sigilyph replacement

thank you for your time

[proper yarrow]

Tho the team has issues beyond these

I'm not qualified to talk on them

[tame galleon]

i know :/

[tame galleon]

https://pokepast.es/5ef030e1e8c8e3bb

i think i've reached my peak in teambuilding what did I mess up

[shut bridge]

https://pokepast.es/08e7b7a8d380d70f

what mons work well with these/is there anything that they don’t break? (for gen8 natdex but there isn’t a channel for that 🫩)

[proper yarrow]

Garchomp is unviable

[shut bridge]

but it’s fun and actually isn’t as bad as people say it is 🤷

[iron wraith]

Maybe loaded dice on chomp works better tbh

That or replace scale shot w like outrage or sum

[shut bridge]

non mega chomp can’t ohko lele/doesnt 2hko clefable with iron head

[shut bridge]

the setup is lowk nice though, was looking at just running bulk/hazard stacking for the last 4 mons just to beat down

[proper yarrow]

Why would you do that lol

[shut bridge]

^^^

it’s either specs mag + mega chomp or salazzle + melmetal

think they both break the majority of the common walls in gen8ND decently well

[limber crypt]

That works, i dont remember why i didnt suggest zama but im sure its fine

[paper sable]

^

[loud oyster]

Not a nd rater but I’ve been playing nd recently and garchomp is there there

Sd + zmove sets break balance teams easily

[loud oyster]

Also please make a complete team before you post for a rate

[proper yarrow]

I meant mchomp mb

Regular chomp is excellent

[blissful ingot]

https://pokepast.es/988268ff274eabd4

Im not too sure how good this team is. This is meant to be a bulky offensive team

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

bolt over kyurem for yard

also earth power lando

otherwise this loses to idbp zama on preview

it's also better with rillaboom

[merry delta]

I think making prim bulky could solve that issue asw

Also band rilla really sucks, try sd lefties

Psychic noise > fsight on crown to better hit pex and just deny recovery from stuff in general

But yeah this team looks cool

[blissful ingot]

thanks for the recommendations!!

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/08f458a5716f64a3 the idea is mtar pursuiting ghold and glwoking for the benefit of ival

[lethal token]

seems pretty good but im not sure if 2 choices in one team will go great (never went with more than one) should be pretty good

[proper yarrow]

they are different choice items tho

[lyric talon]

https://pokepast.es/22dbfe3b6a1c1ee5 Main problem is speed tier, I lack priority and high speed. I could maybe run moon as speed boosted instead of atk but idk. lele isn't bad but I think there's prolly a better option. Tusk also just needs a set rework, he has not been pulling his weight with his horrid EVs.

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tame glen]

Try z fighting gholdengo, same evs except twave hex over nasty plot and shadow ball, focus blast over make it rain

[proper yarrow]

[tame glen]

the entire idea being ttar pursuiting ghold while z-fighting is a completely viable set is kinda unreliable no? maybe if you had spdef lando to switch in on it to scout and absorb twaves you could pull it off more light heartedly

[proper yarrow]

Well

[molten ocean]

https://pokepast.es/b7113366b0dd578a

I wanted to use manaphy as I have one in the real games named mimi. pretty much a normal rain team but I was wondering if I should swap scarf onto lando because zard Y is a problem

I didnt know if manaphy was viable outside of rain, and I wanted to run rest for sustain on it as well M swampert i thought would be a must for rain team as well

some mons I strugglde with are rilabloom, Zard Y, and Ferro

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[molten ocean]

it did pretty well outside of that on the ladder but then again my rating is switching around 1450-1550

[next forge]

Manaphy is best as a rain wallbreaker but id drop ice beam for psychic so that ur not hard walled by toxapex; manaphy's main role on Rain teams is a powerful wallbreaker since +3 hydro vortex can ohko ferro which is a pain to deal with otherwise so not being stuffed by pex is great to have cuz that's also annoying

Id fit a steel type move like gyro ball or iron head on ferro so that ur not hard walled by dragon types, especially kyurem, cuz that guy is annoying; sub roost is still rlly hard to handle but once u force it to roost u can hard switch into smth that hits it for super effective

Drop landoT for raging bolt cuz this helps a ton vs mega charizard y and ngl it's just really good on Rain teams

Drop tapu lele for barraskewda cuz this is a good lead that isn't pelipper and helps a lot vs faster threats like booster valiant

https://pokepast.es/3df0c6bf00d3f8ba

Rain is kinda flexible u can prob replace draco for dragon pulse on raging bolt or u can use ice punch over superpower on mpert for stuff like dragonite

U can go calm mind raging bolt, hurricane pelipper with Iron treads over ferro too

This is just the rain I prefer

[wheat bluff]

hello, I'm starting nat dex comp and i don't want to use any legendary (it's something I feel very strongly about) https://pokepast.es/fd42006fe3a26834, which pokemon or set could i change? thanks!

[molten ocean]

gotchu i thoght lele would be good so kingambit wouldnt be an issue with focus blast (though 70% acc ) and so i can delete dragons with scarf

and yeah i might just use treads for a faster hazard removal

[next forge]

!nolegends

[celest merlin]

Please take a moment to review the rules of the competitive section: https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1373406929317269624

Do not ask for assistance with arbitrary rulesets or restrictions placed on teambuilding, we will not help with them in this server. The competitive section is only for formats hosted on the Smogon forums, such as VGC and OU.

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[wheat bluff]

oh I'm sorry mb

[proper yarrow]

Ah yes

Idk why ppl impose this stuff on themselves

[proper yarrow]

So what do I do

[tame glen]

i mean idrk, the spdef lando was an idea but i'm not gonna dig deeper than that

[proper yarrow]

[tame glen]

seeing flaws is way easier than suggesting solutions as you might imagine

[proper yarrow]

Yes

[wheat bluff]

its mental, i feel like using legendaries would be too easy but if they're autorized its maybe cuz they're not that strong

[wheat bluff]

anyways, I changed my mind, could anyone give me some advices on this team? (with legends ofc)

[proper yarrow]

Probably start by putting knock on your moon over crunch

Also investing in a moon team now is 😔

[tame glen]

is the sus test still going on

[next forge]

Ye

[tame glen]

maybe ice move on either bunny or tusk if you have problems against gliscor or lando

[proper yarrow]

A sturdier wellspring switch could help

[wheat bluff]

oh okay, moon is uber on OU 9G so i thought he would be at least average in nat dex, whats the possibilities?

[wheat bluff]

alr

[tame glen]

make sure to have some counterplay to the biggest threats like waterpon kyurem valiant etc

[hollow fern]

Yeah a lot of legendaries are perfectly fine and there's a lot that are pretty bad

[proper yarrow]

He's almost certainly getting banned soon here as well

[hollow fern]

And the legendaries that are too strong are banned

But the same applies to normal mons

[wheat bluff]

so you meant that cuz it'll get banned soon?

[wheat bluff]

yeah true

[wheat bluff]

instead of moon?

[stark sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/1ac599263aaae68b who should i use instead of darmanitan, and lemme get sm criticism

[tame glen]

this team looks pretty unviable for ou you could try it in uu with a couple changes maybe

also on webs teams you usually want set up sweepers and higher damage output so stuff like ferrothorn wouldn't be on there, 2 choice scarfs makes having sticky webs redundant as well

[stark sorrel]

thats why i wanna get rid of darm

[tame glen]

i mean darm in general in ou isn't gonna do you much against most teams

same with hydreigon and specs gardevoir

[stark sorrel]

yeah the darm was a filler

[tame glen]

and galv

[stark sorrel]

and i just like specs gardevoir, it helps again aloma and volcaronas

[tame glen]

4 whole uu mons at that point play uu

[stark sorrel]

lol its for a server im playing on pixelmon

[tame glen]

assault vest alomomola exists, and it can't switch into it safely or switch into volcarona safely

[stark sorrel]

yeah but rocky helmet is like way more common

[tame glen]

still try using higher rated mons for an easier to use team and better performing

[stark sorrel]

ik theres a rule against asking people for help with custom rules, but im tryna not use has or legs here

[tame glen]

you can ask me in dms if you want

[steep python]

I know I'm using pokemon not from OU, but what do you think?

[eager drum]

!pokepaste

[celest merlin]

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To upload a team, scroll to the bottom of the team, untick the checkbox to make your team public, and press the button that says Upload to Showdown database.

You can then take the link to your team and share that link to share the team with other people.

This command will be removed soon please use !psteams or !shareteam moving forward.

[steep python]

Mawile-Mega (F) @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk
Adamant Nature

• Play Rough
• Iron Head
• Swords Dance
• Sucker Punch

Slowbro (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Scald
• Ice Beam
• Slack Off
• Calm Mind

Tyranitar (F) @ Smooth Rock
Ability: Sand Stream
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpD / 8 Spe
Careful Nature

• Rock Slide
• Knock Off
• Toxic
• Stealth Rock

Dracozolt @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Rush
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 32 HP / 252 Atk / 224 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Bolt Beak
• Dragon Claw
• Fire Fang
• Earthquake

Tornadus (M) @ Wacan Berry
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Taunt
• Nasty Plot
• Weather Ball

Excadrill (M) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Sand Rush
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Iron Head
• Earthquake
• Swords Dance
• Rock Slide

[hollow fern]

use this button at the bottom of ur team in the teambuilder

and then copy paste the link it gives

the url

[steep python]

Ohooo, I see, sorry

[hollow fern]

dw ur all good it happens lol

[steep python]

Uh?, I copied the URL from there but this came out of it,,,

[hollow fern]

you copied up here?

[steep python]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/view-team-1126047

[hollow fern]

after you click this button a new tab should open up

[steep python]

I'm using the aplication instead of the Chrome XD

[hollow fern]

oo lol

[steep python]

You saw the team?

I think I should swap Slowbro and Excadril for Gastrodon and Skarmory

I want to keep M-Mawile tough

[hollow fern]

Ye

[steep python]

Is a mess XD

Damn

Dracozolt hits like a truck

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/fbd12e27849609b2

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rapid rain]

https://pokepast.es/24ed4c39cd127dfe just wondering if theres anymore improvements that can be done

[steep python]

#1059714627384115290 message

What do You think?

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/fd4ffecdd1a99af8

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

this is fine

nothing of note

[proper yarrow]

And this

[next forge]

doesnt this fold to tspikes

and maybe hazards in general

[proper yarrow]

I tried to fit terap in there

Didn't work

[potent furnace]

oh wait that lando isnt fog

just run fog over rocks

[proper yarrow]

It's a bad team anyways

[steep python]

What about mine?

[proper yarrow]

[steep python]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/view-team-1126047

I don't know why it didn't share well last time XD

[next forge]

page unavailable

still doesnt work

just use pokepaste

wait

nvm

[proper yarrow]

Tornadus is unviable

[next forge]

so is dracozolt

and mega mawile does not fit here at all

[proper yarrow]

Yes

[steep python]

It might sound weird but I wanted to try using them in OU XD

[proper yarrow]

[proper yarrow]

Help me out as well

[rapid rain]

https://pokepast.es/24ed4c39cd127dfe

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/00d418dc09e74628

[thorny matrix]

https://pokepast.es/1ea1dc21ce37dae3 im quite new to the tier just trying to figure out what i should change any advice would be appreciated

[proper yarrow]

Having stealth Rock a ground immune and removal is a good start

[thorny matrix]

switch out ting lu for lando ?

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/37df9eaed1276a1e

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vast tendon]

almost exactly what i built lo

lol

[brittle sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/b691c0d21e5be60f any thoughts?

[tame glen]

Have you tried standard sd ogerpon? Kinda looks like the better set for this team maybe

Got a lot of pivots and only koko for big immediate power so that would help break through tough cores and such

[vale ridge]

https://pokepast.es/c18c4529d20d0165

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vale ridge]

I haven't played in a little bit so I am a little out of touch with the meta. I want to have fun however so I am just using my favorite version of Greninja the protean one.

Greninja is still usable although not meta it isn't no Wooloo or anything.

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/6bef8bd59671c2d4 might as well make my warcrimes public

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/59ae37728b2c1bec

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/f9b3250ed6f7fb41

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep python]

What are the Best movies for M-Diancie?

[hollow fern]

You can find them on the sets on mega diancies showdown analysis

It's like moonblast, mystical fire, earth power, power gem, diamond storm, stealth rock

[empty olive]

shouldnt u want knock on at least 1 mon

like over ss on samu

[empty olive]

could I also get an eval on https://pokepast.es/3feb0504d8a0f39f

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/5b8311107ddf3272

this is so fucking dead

@vague hemlock hi

[proper yarrow]

[proper yarrow]

ikr

[tame glen]

Scarf defog means you struggle to do it consistently, i would give vic hdb, and id make it physical qith vcreate and fusion bolt, since u got koko and kyurem for special you would struggle against special walls

Or maybe pass the scarf onto vic and give lando some hdb to defog easily and some more bulk

[tame glen]

Why sd over ddance, your speed control isnt the best, also considering you have roost, a wish passer and a leech seeder, you could rock flare blitz over fire punch and keep it healthy, also if you notice you're too passive to break you could give torn a z fly so you also have a one time accurate move

[tame glen]

Do you need scarf ogerpon? If you made it wellspring you could go glowking which is just better at being a spdef guy + you already have nice speed control in scale shot and zama

[plush lintel]

yeah these seem like pretty standard changes

i wanted to use special tini tho

[tame glen]

You could get best out of both worlds and put 4 magical atk evs on your set and v create for the fire stab

[plush lintel]

hey...

that ruins the point of hitting lando with blue flare

[junior glacier]

https://pokepast.es/29afa18da3dafdcd

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

Meh

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/3477d7be3e9cca33

[empty olive]

Sd is needed > ddance to break easier, fb is worse than fpunch typically on bulky xards regardless of how many healing options you have

[tame glen]

i didn't notice the evs ngl

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/595eb80dc6b8dbfd

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[next forge]

make volcarona subswarm with buginium z, make kingambit black glasses over air balloon, and make rmoon booster acrobatics instead of drag z

other than that not much to say this is just standard HO

oh acc wait

change dia spread to this

Diancie @ Diancite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 240 HP / 16 Def / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Timid Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Moonblast
• Substitute
• Endeavor

240 HP EVs allow Mega Diancie to set Substitute four times as opposed to three, leaving Mega Diancie at 1 HP to use Endeavor with.

u couuulld go recover/psyshock over MiR on ghold for better stall MU but up to u

[proper yarrow]

Oh I'm just seeing that there's a smogon dex spread for lead Mdia lol

[proper yarrow]

Aight

🙏

I can just swap to dnite after moon is executed for his crimes

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/ed04e7fa27264bae

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hard creek]

i think I may need DWB dnite here but

its checking too much for me to drop roost

what do I do 😭

[merry delta]

I’d make this Lando defensive

[hard creek]

koko is not exactly fast enough for speed control no

?

[merry delta]

I believe it is fine here since you have double prio and Weav asw

And u desperately need a phys attacker check

[hard creek]

then ima need to fit pagos somewhere then I think

unless its rh fog lando

https://pokepast.es/06d423196c039bc8 like this

Scizor is also a problem I think? 😭

I also didnt take moon into account for rn as thats likely leaving but what other issues do u see here?

[merry delta]

Try making it a more physdef Lando, I usually go with 242 speed in these bo kinds of teams

Taunt lando + leech ferro should maybe be fine into Sciz

I don’t think the mon is that common anyway

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/888e68e1360b72e7

[merry delta]

My last suggestion would be ice punch to break through Gliscor balance easier over fire punch at least, but you don’t have to do that

[hard creek]

then medi cant touch ghold

[next forge]

The glorious double switch to weavile

[hard creek]

actually wait

shouldnt gliscor be fine?

I have weavile and spinner dnite

[next forge]

"but you don't have to do that"

[hard creek]

okey

Moltres may also be shaky

but idk

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/4987c8d862131812

[wheat bluff]

hey guys could someone help me im struggling against kommo-o and i don’t know what to do https://pokepast.es/d93ef4e400b29181

[merry delta]

It’s more so trying to break pex Gliscor cores in general, it’s either that or you don’t touch Ghold which ends up being preference (band Weav is actually not that great vs. Gliscor teams)

And what u think you can end up outplaying easier with the 6

[hard creek]

oh

yeah my friend Azuriter said MMedi kinda needs fire punch rn so like

uhhh

[merry delta]

Depends on who u ask

[hard creek]

oh

ill put ice punch then 😄

[merry delta]

It’s your choice in the end like I said I think, but I believe you should have enough outs vs. ghold to afford it

[hard creek]

yea

i just gotta play

rly aggressively

which is the teams goal anyway as this is an offense

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/a07053fe30f64d57 how do I not lose to waters

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[patent fiber]

https://pokepast.es/c0f8f8cc9bcfc9b2 thoughts?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

i think you should take a look at samples, greninja and harcanine are pretty much unviable and many of these sets are just mot the best use of thee mons

the only real exception is the glowking ig

[limber crypt]

I think either zama > shifu (not exactly what u want since u built around shifu) or exchanging zap+chomp for smth more sturdy against hamu/waterpon should work, maybe rbolt+lando?

[next forge]

https://pokepast.es/b81a3d69d9c072dc because i don't trust ndou rmt

[hard creek]

oh is shifu fsight not possible in ND

man what IS possible

😭

[next forge]

More things now rmoon is banned ❤️

[hard creek]

doubt it but

w/e

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/1ec9e16c8514fdcb

[heavy shadow]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[heavy shadow]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[proper yarrow]

Make latios max speed

[hybrid aurora]

Anything i can improve?
https://pokepast.es/0813837ae996bace

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

Tr is bad but cres>bro

[potent furnace]

specs tork is ass

run mcamerupt

[proper yarrow]

that too

[hybrid aurora]

Replace it with porygon?

[hybrid aurora]

Alright, any other suggestions?

I am aware tr is awful but want to have some fun so yeah..

[hollow fern]

cresselia>slowbro is what they meant im pretty sure

[hybrid aurora]

I'm a little curious about the reason why?

Could you elaborate further?

[hard creek]

Cresselia has Lunar Dance which gives one of ur clickers another life basically

cresselia also provides a ground immune

[blissful ingot]

Is there anyway i can try improve this team (doesnt have to be mega mawile but i just decided to use it)

https://pokepast.es/81f02c58f2f73837

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep python]

https://pokepast.es/2ac0a33d18615211

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep python]

Should I swap Hydreigon for Clodsire?

I wanted to use a Sandteam witouth using that Many OU

[charred plover]

https://pokepast.es/39cf5ffb84f7a2b1 I took this team from the bazaar thread and i like it, but id like to better the urshifu and fini mu

And this team has no play into mega venu

And idk what to do about it

Without losing on a lot

[merry delta]

I believe this is my team but with band zama > boots and shadow ball Pecha over hex for some reason

Shifu and Fini r fine

You have Pecharunt and ogerpon along with Mmaw to break Fini cores

Venu is much tougher tbh not much you can do about it here

Just overwhelm it with hazards ig

Or u could do uturn ogerpon to chip it down easier

First tho id just make zama boots

[abstract juniper]

@signal surge

[signal surge]

Can anyone rate my team and suggestions, format Gen 9 national dex https://pokepast.es/866aefd3501ed087

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hybrid lotus]

Can someone rate my team, https://pokepast.es/e0db06be48385c88

alomomola and chansey act as slow pivoters

so i set up electric terrain, then volt switch to chansey or alomomola, if i need to, before pivotting out to one of my attackers

its very weak to choice scarf mons tho

[charred plover]

This is true! I got sick of missing kos with zama so i gave it band and i wanted to hit gholds when they try to block my pshot

[merry delta]

Yea shadow ball is fine

[charred plover]

With the one rock?

[merry delta]

well technically yeah that’s the best you can do vs. it

[charred plover]

Band is too fun tho like i love doing 50 ish to big donphans and non defensive kanto birds

Also i meant lele, the psychic one

[unkempt dirge]

Hey guys! https://pokepast.es/eb49c14902278e2c Built this team for Gen 8 National Dex (OU), can someone rate this? I know Pangoro might be a little too cheesy but hear me out... I was also considering a scarf Diggersby tbh

also i know gyar might not be the strongest on OU, having obvious picks like M. Scizor, M Char, M Lopunny etc, at the same time i really like the dynamic it provides, and I feel like this sub set is one of the deadliest sweeping sets out there. It also allows for great switches with Flying at first, and the change in type also works a lot in my favor many times

[dapper crest]

Hi I just made this team and kinda new to competitive pokemon I just wanted to make a all normal team just to have some fun with it https://pokepast.es/fc637c3bcd5876cb

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dapper crest]

If anybody could possibly rate it or give me better options on what I could do I'd be thankful

[eager drum]

If you like using this type of team, i recommend playing national dex monotype

[dapper crest]

That's a thing

[eager drum]

Yup, it's a tier that combines national dex and monotype

[dapper crest]

Is there a channel for that here

[eager drum]

#1060037469472555028

you can post it there

[dapper crest]

Thank u

[cobalt skiff]

Bro

https://pokepast.es/d59c2181f727d4a9

[cobalt skiff]

Awesome work

[gaunt stirrup]

https://pokepast.es/4dc515fe1d9f4cc7
Made a team with Meloetta (cause I sort of like Miku), and I was just wondering how I could improve this team other than removing Meloetta. I understand that Meloetta could be holding me back, it's js for a lil fun, yk?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hybrid aurora]

Anything to swap or improvements?

https://pokepast.es/14ffc2227a177dae

[blissful ingot]

Is there anyway i can try improve this team (doesnt have to be mega mawile but i just decided to use it)

https://pokepast.es/81f02c58f2f73837

[hollow fern]

whys lando special here?

[blissful ingot]

Zamazenta

[hollow fern]

does your team struggle much with zama with a scarf lele and specs bolt?

[gaunt stirrup]

It’s a better Tusk answer too.

[hollow fern]

i mean yeah but same thing

[gaunt stirrup]

Specs Bolt is gambling, whether they’ll swap or not. If they have an Iron Valiant/Tapu on their team and a Great Tusk on their team, you have to get the prediction right.

And scarf Lele needs to be positioned, and if they have an answer to it, well, both mons would need to be chipped.

That’s what I see.

Also only answer to iron press Zama after set up is Lando and Lele, Bolt isn’t doing much after you click a move and they click sub.

[hollow fern]

Id zama is pretty rare, and like you said they have an answer to it regardless. Also, you can pretty easily position it because of uturn

I'm not saying it's bad I just don't think it's nearly as necessary as ur making it out to be

[gaunt stirrup]

Mb, was trying to set it on their pov.

[hollow fern]

All good

[cobalt skiff]

Cute

[white ridge]

https://pokepast.es/8a8c984211ffa878

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[white ridge]

first time not running an HO team cause i don't want to be an HO farmer anymore

was wondering if it looks fine or not

not very good at building anything other than HO

[potent furnace]

rocks over tect on ferro

koko should be cm z fairy

[white ridge]

would lando keep rocks if ferro gets them

[potent furnace]

gambit should be not AV

[potent furnace]

oh dont run rocks fog lando

you want taunt instead

very good into gliscor

slowking here is cool since it's better into lele and yard

honestly you probably want mega latios here over mmedi

otherwise you lose on preview to wellspring

[next forge]

Wouldn't dnite be better

U have no wincon

[potent furnace]

oh yeah

[next forge]

Acc wait

Kommo

[potent furnace]

well i said cm koko

[next forge]

Fits nicely

[potent furnace]

if we do that then we should be gking

over slowking

fairy resist is more important

[next forge]

Trueeee

[potent furnace]

like kommo over mmedi and then ghold over gambit

imo

[white ridge]

what set would kommo o run

z?

actually what am i talking about thats like the only set

[potent furnace]

yeah

bdrum kommo is fake af

if you're that then you probably want specs koko

hdb koko does 0 dmg

[white ridge]

would i still keep slowking

or would glowking be better then

[potent furnace]

make it slowking galar

[white ridge]

ghold would end up being air balloon probably right?

[robust vine]

Someone avec example of good team in Natdex Gen 8 for i build one ?

[hollow fern]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-national-dex-sample-teams.3740681/
Here's a list of sample teams, you can find them in the teambuilder after selecting your format by scrolling down

[robust vine]

Ty bro

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/fcb6beacb9abd176

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[azure basin]

https://pokepast.es/df95d1150da955b6

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

tusk > treads, this also needs some definitive ground immune bc ur one mega and balloon ghold away from getting undone by eq (waterpon helps but it can only do so much), id suggest a ground immune (dnite?) over chomp or xard personally

[limber crypt]

id recommend looking at samples, sun is a viable playstyle but this is not the usual way it goes, most of these guys are very hit or miss outside of volcarona

[azure basin]

Houndoom is my favorite pokemon is there any way to make him work

[narrow spade]

https://pokepast.es/8ddab0a86e674e22 @limber crypt

currently trying to work on this, feels kind of bad in testing even in low ladder

weak to hazard stack and full stall in a way

and is really slow after kart dies, no speed control outside of it

it also seems hard to break other teams without having to sack a mon for safe switches

[celest merlin]

Hey @dense radish, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

Hey @dense radish, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

[dense radish]

https://pokepast.es/8aba07600c9ff10f

[proper yarrow]

This is just all over the place ngl

[proper yarrow]

Ok

[narrow spade]

how do if ix

fix

[hollow fern]

What's the main core/idea of the team?

[iron wraith]

https://pokepast.es/2b01a370c55a0ec9

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

not in ndou at the moment, houndoom is just kinda outclassed by other megas like zardy and latios, and other fire or dark types have more defensive value, maybe try it in nduu or ru? it wont be powered by sun but itll be relatively stronger

[limber crypt]

what was this built around? it kinda lacks synergy and i feel like lele > mgarde and mtar > ttar could be a start but id like to know what you started with

[limber crypt]

i am dropping goodra here, but i think tking this in the ho direction is ideal so waterpin > goodra, standard offensive tusk instead of scarf, and probably terapagos > corv, dragonium dnite is an option as well

[limber crypt]

what was the idea of thiscteam bc it looks like balance then veers into bulky offense

[narrow spade]

i built around scarfed kartana and slowly moved into a steel fairy dark core

also what lele set should i use

scarf, specs, tspoon

[iron wraith]

It was suppose to be a meow bulky hstack

[azure basin]

This makes me very sad

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/ee3583ec3f1ebdd7

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

Thinking of crunch>ko and sub>sr on chomp

[lethal token]

https://pokepast.es/97d408bae3a93e34

[lethal token]

changed that focus punch btw.

[steep python]

https://pokepast.es/b22f603b98680bb0

This is for Gen 8 Nat Dex, what do You think?

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/7e83b60cf6cc5032

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gray lake]

slowking sun is legit imo i think the main thing here is just that its kinda hard to get venusaur to work with just yard

what you could do is make heatran like air balloon or something and make venusaur defog kartana

would be more standard but more consistent and you need the second form of hazard removal with both yard and weavile on ur team imo

[proper yarrow]

Yea i think slowking should be ranked

[proper yarrow]

Aight

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/54945bdd35600813 hows this

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hard creek]

ik Rain is an issue

[proper yarrow]

Waterpon can be problematic

Is xard 2hkoed by ivy

[hard creek]

it could, zama is mostly a bandaid solution here until I could find smthn else

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/a7746339e6f494e3 edited team slightly, but waterpon is an issue

[gaunt stirrup]

Woger gives problems to every balance team.

Sum you js gotta play around.

[ancient matrix]

Yeah there's a Xard

[hard creek]

Xard loses

its slower and pon clicks cudgel a few times and wins

[ancient matrix]

No I meant into sun

Mb

[hard creek]

oh

I need zama here too badly

so like

😭

[narrow spade]

woger is a insane abbreviation

[gaunt stirrup]

Pretty common one.

[narrow spade]

i only ever hear waterpon

[gentle summit]

https://pokepast.es/b167d6a3544e46cb how do i make it so that theese guys dont die in like under 10 turns

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

Feels like you are new to the game

!samples

[celest merlin]

Whether you're new to a format or competitive Pokémon as a whole, sample teams provide a quick way to pick up a team and play. Sample teams are contributed by community members and have a proven track record of success on ladder or in tours. You can find sample teams for any given format using the /tier command.

If a user has recommended you use a sample team this is not meant as a slight. Creating a successful team can be incredibly difficult without metagame knowledge and experience playing; sample teams reduce the barrier to entry by letting you jump in and start gaining that knowledge.

[gentle summit]

yeah i used to and then i forgot about it in my 5 month absence

[proper yarrow]

Yes so you should start with samples

Thread 'National Dex Sample Teams' https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/

@gentle summit

Just don't use stuff which has roaring moon in it

[gentle summit]

well i mostly use this team cuz its similar to my actual team in pokemon violet

if you had to get rid of one pokemon which one would you pick?

[proper yarrow]

The whole team is a mess sorry 😔

And In-game teams don't cut it in competitive

No pokemon has a nature

[gentle summit]

Its just casual

[proper yarrow]

The EVs make no sense and like 4/6 pokemon are bad

[gentle summit]

Which are the two that are not bad....

[proper yarrow]

This ain't the place for casual stuff I'm pretty sure

[gentle summit]

Oh

[proper yarrow]

Mgallade and gweez

[gentle summit]

forget i ever was here......

[proper yarrow]

Ok

[gentle summit]

wait whats gweez?

[proper yarrow]

And even then they aren't particularly great

[proper yarrow]

Galarian weezing

[gentle summit]

ahh

[gentle summit]

Whats wrong with Altaria? I mean i understand why everyone else would be bad but i say Altaria is a pretty solid dragon type

[proper yarrow]

Oh nvm the whole team is unviable

Except gweez

[gentle summit]

im changing the EVs to what Smogon recommends

[proper yarrow]

It's not, compared to ou dragons

Or any other dragons below ou ngl

[gentle summit]

Oh

[gentle summit]

How about Hydrapple? I know hydrapple is UU (idk what UU means i probs should look it up)

[proper yarrow]

It's niche

And as I said

Use the samples for now

[gentle summit]

alr

[proper yarrow]

If u want to use galarian weezing play regular ou

It's very good there

[lyric talon]

Tiering is where the Pokémon can survive, using a lower tiered Pokémon is more niche because they have to have a good reason to be used over better Pokémon in higher tiers, smeargle being a good example. Similarly you cannot use higher tiers because they dominate lower tiers and most other Pokemon become unviable. The tiers go Ubers OU UU RU NU PU ZU NFE LC with some meta games in the cracks. If you want a place where most pokemon are viable try the OM tiershift where pokemon gain bst based on tier. Otherwise try using samples and incorporating what you want.

[azure basin]

https://pokepast.es/2cf9b255cfc0805f

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dry rivet]

That last sentence is wrong as ur not supposed to change sample teams

[azure basin]

i like sigylyph sun teams bc tailwind lets me enable this really dumb slitherwing strat

[lyric talon]

I’m trying to help him learn how to play, it’s not explicitly wrong to try out new things, just good to have a template to build off of

[lyric talon]

Slitherwing W, I usually just use him first impression

[hard creek]

using the samples as is is what ur meant to do

[lyric talon]

Yes I understand that, but you don’t learn much by copying instead of testing

[hard creek]

ur meant to use the team and learn the meta with it lmao

[lyric talon]

Dude he doesn’t know anything, all I’m doing is telling him to try out things so he can learn by trial and error, I’m not trying to argue rn, that’s just my thinking and my personal method of going about learning

[hard creek]

ik ur not trying to argue but using sampel teams is a good opportunity to get a feel for the meta, whats used, how to use it, and how to build

[orchid hatch]

https://pokepast.es/4647f255637f23d4
Please rate 🙏

[orchid hatch]

I changed agility to iron head and Scizor to charazard X

[hollow fern]

these sets and some of the pokemon arent really usable, and the team overall lacks direction

!samples

[celest merlin]

Whether you're new to a format or competitive Pokémon as a whole, sample teams provide a quick way to pick up a team and play. Sample teams are contributed by community members and have a proven track record of success on ladder or in tours. You can find sample teams for any given format using the /tier command.

If a user has recommended you use a sample team this is not meant as a slight. Creating a successful team can be incredibly difficult without metagame knowledge and experience playing; sample teams reduce the barrier to entry by letting you jump in and start gaining that knowledge.

[hollow fern]

Id recommend using samples to help learn the meta

[orchid hatch]

I've gotten pretty high up I'm sertain my team is atleast okay

[proper yarrow]

It's not

[thorny matrix]

https://pokepast.es/9fcc90965dba4011 how can i improve this team ?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[normal nebula]

https://pokepast.es/b229a641469979cf

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[normal nebula]

I just maybe want some tips on anything that could change the team works for me ik no hazard removal rough but with the team if the person waste time getting up hazards I can usually play around it

[proper yarrow]

No ground immunity

[normal nebula]

fero is tickled by ground

[proper yarrow]

SD garchomp

Or even then

[normal nebula]

unaware clefable

[proper yarrow]

Ground moves absolutely need to be answered

[normal nebula]

yea idk

what u reccomend I do then?

I could probably switch out alomola

for something

or fero

maybe fero switch to corv?

[proper yarrow]

Molt>volc perhaps?

The raters will have better advice

Maybe garchomp>bolt too

To support mlop

[normal nebula]

ill try that out

volc is a menance though I doubt moltress will be better

volc gets one setup turn and can wipe a team

[normal nebula]

yea idk

didnt work any better

molt over volc is honestly not good

its more defensive but like

then I cant respond back with much

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/2e15b69c380026cf how do I deal w Ghold?

[ancient matrix]

I believe Tect Gliscor checks it well

[acoustic warren]

i usually play sv ou but i made a natdex team I'd like feedback on: https://pokepast.es/5c7943f69298de53

i know offensive scizor usually runs 3 atks i do like roost on it to set up on bulkier teams

victini doesn't feel great and ferrothorn and rain is rough matchup

[celest merlin]

Hey @crimson flume, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

[crimson flume]

bruh wrong channel

😭

[iron tangle]

https://pokepast.es/c82e479f09e3e8e2

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[iron tangle]

Trying a semi eterrain hazard stack

Wogerpon being my water immune, eterrain to counter psyterrain and as a cleaner

[gray lake]

I think the biggest thing here is the lack of a fire resist

volcarona in particular kinda runs through you since you have too many things that let it set up

you could consider exchanging one of your steel-types for something like moltres or dwb dragonite

another option would be making great tusk a spdef garchomp and replacing mega scizor with terapagos

also you probably want boots on koko and ur z move on ghold

ghold is much better with a z move available to it and non-cm koko isn't the best Z user

these sorts of teams are hard to make work rn tbh

koko and ival together are good but not threatening enough overall to make up for their defensive deficiencies in a lot of cases

[iron tangle]

Alright fair enough

I think I’ll scrap the team then

[next forge]

what does scizor do for this team

[iron tangle]

Original idea was priority but it’s alright I’m changing it up

https://pokepast.es/5f6668fc443abee6

How’s this then

[blazing cliff]

Me and a friend have been poking around slowly trying to imrpove this team and heres how it looks right now, we're still trying stuff out like this oger set for example but for the sake of more ideas curious if anyone here has any thoughts on anything https://pokepast.es/9171ac8f6c86b785

also considering a scarfer but dont think one can fit

[runic socket]

First time making a monotype team for a gym idea I got with my friends, any suggestions?

https://pokepast.es/5311bd8b1bfe9ee6

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[abstract juniper]

this is natdex ou

not the right place for it

[cobalt skiff]

All teams i have had before kinda just used my personal favorite pokémon with no correlation, i tried to theme this team with pelipper but idk if its any good (blaziken meant to have speedboost btw) https://pokepast.es/f8647155083fabdd

[stark sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/42c5b675c84ca8b9 i need help this team aint getting me nowhere lol

[acoustic warren]

i find that iron moth is rly inconsistent, especially without eball or dgleam coverage.
also ur team looks rough against zard y and offensive mscizor
it would probably help to replace iron moth with a bulky ground w/ rocks?
you also have no hazard control besides m-bounce

hazards r my biggest crticism, banded weavile is a great knocker so hazards are good at taking advantage of that and u want removal for weav

i'd also like feedback on my team, https://pokepast.es/13ca0be157fb44ae the idea of the team was to pair lopunny and kartana as strong contact-based offensive mons and then have cleric clefable for moltres/zapdos but tbh clefable hasn't been doing that much.

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[acoustic warren]

wish pass alo has been good for lando, bolt, and kart as receivers
my team probabaly needs a real moonblast switch in?

[silk ore]

https://pokepast.es/17ddafb6bf207560 any improvents to ev spread/movesets?
i want the teamp composition to stay the same

i am going for a sort of "mixed stall"

if there are just flat out better mons

please lmk

[hollow fern]

this team has no stealth rock setter which especially hurts a fatter team like this

what are corv evs for btw?

same for ghold speed

[silk ore]

setting up and possibly sweeping against something like roaring moon

its very conditional

i just put random evs in those

[hollow fern]

A. roaring moon is banned
B. your corv has no setup moves

[silk ore]

oh fr?

[hollow fern]

you generally want to avoid just putting random evs into stuff

[silk ore]

sorry havent been keeping with comp pokemon for a while

[hollow fern]

either go max max or specifically ev for an interaction

[silk ore]

any moveset suggestions?

and evs too

this is supposed to be a mix of stall and balance

[hollow fern]

make alo max def and spdef instead of hp

it also doesnt really need lefties so id make it boots or helmet

id also make ghold the standard bulky ev spread and give it ghostium

and for such a fat team you probably want to invest 120 speed evs into corv and make it iron defense over uturn

that allows it to outspeed ada kingambit

also pex kinda needs to be toxic and spdef here, otherwise your team folds to yard

nothing else takes a hit from it but pex cant really touch it

[cold heart]

https://pokepast.es/504e61d7c65ea4ed
brand new an modifying a netdecked team a little. interested in thoughts

[proper yarrow]

Poliwrath is unviable

[cold heart]

Suggestion for a replacement?

[acoustic warren]

tailwind on zapdos isn't v good, not enough turns to abuse it

weather ball isn't v consistent without rain

poliwrath needs rain if u wanna do anything with it

ting lu is usually seen on bulky hazard stack, i think u'd want some sort of hazards on lu?

what was ur vision for the team? is it some sort of bulky offense?

btw no tera in natdex

[hollow fern]

this team is kinda all over the place with evs/movesets/pokemon

whats the hydrapple ev spread for?

replace tailwind and weather ball on zap for hurricane and heat wave/defog, either replace id and bp on zama for cc and ice fang or keep id and replace wild charge with like sub, poliwrath isnt really usable, and replace ting lu body press with either spikes or rock slide (to hit yard)

and then run spdef on ting instead of physdef

[cold heart]

Oh my bad I was in wrong group

Thanks for the info yall

[acoustic warren]

https://pokepast.es/36c5710152137970
hi! i'd like feedback, especially since i'm having a hard time fitting in a moonblast-resist (sry kartana) and i think my MU against m-scizor is iffy.
the idea of the team was to pair kart and m-lop who hate burn/para with clefable. alo has felt pretty good for healing up lando, bolt, and kart.
ty!

[celest merlin]

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[cobalt skiff]

I like my team but IDK what to improve or change, Only pokemon im set on keeping are blaziken so if you think other pokemon would work better I'd be happy to hear 🙏🥀💔
https://pokepast.es/8cebf91058d0ca65

[silk ore]

yard?

[eager drum]

Mega Charizard Y

[silk ore]

ahh

alrigh

ty

[uneven vigil]

https://pokepast.es/b7def6abd1517c17 yard lando vic kartana with fini support

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

not sure what the victini evs are

imo just bolt > fini and you're good

oh and weav over tusk

[hollow fern]

You need removal here

Your team is super weak to stealth rock

[uneven vigil]

defog kartana

[hollow fern]

Urs doesn't have defog

It'd sd synth two attacks

[uneven vigil]

oh yeah i removed that a sec ago

uhhm

i just did a match

its reallty vunerable i see

[hollow fern]

And generally yard sun runs two removal

Especially since here you have band weav

[uneven vigil]

what should i put defog on

[hollow fern]

Tusk>lando would help

[uneven vigil]

set?

[hollow fern]

Prob just standard offensive utility set on showdown analysis

[uneven vigil]

i just made this set lol
Great Tusk @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Headlong Rush
• Bulk Up
• Rapid Spin
• Stealth Rock

[hollow fern]

Also what's victini spread for?

[uneven vigil]

for it to survive some attacks

[hollow fern]

Like what?

[uneven vigil]

like eq 148 atk lando therian

im pretty usre it can survive that

i use victini as a switch it so

i kinda want a status tho

@hollow fern

[hollow fern]

what lando spread is running 148 attack?

u generally want to avoid investing evs randomly

just invest for specific benchmarks, mainly speed

but here just run max attack max speed on victini

[hollow fern]

also the set is fine just ice spinner>bu

[uneven vigil]

aight

[uneven vigil]

offensive stealth rock

idk i just saw that pretty often

[hollow fern]

where?

ive never seen that before so i could be wrong

[uneven vigil]

aight

[hollow fern]

its just not anymore on showdown analysis

and munchstats doesnt show it anywhere in usage

[uneven vigil]

alr ty for your assistance!! ill let you know if the yeam is better now

[hollow fern]

alr

[uneven vigil]

https://pokepast.es/a38c76bc14614088

set is like that rn

[hollow fern]

what are kart evs for?

[uneven vigil]

to make it kinda bulky so it can just resist some attacks so it can defog

but i guess full atk speed would be better?

[hollow fern]

u could use this spread if u want some bulk

the attack invest allows u to ohko offensive garchomp with z leaf blade

its pretty close to what u have atm

[uneven vigil]

i will

can you just send the pokepaste

[hollow fern]

https://pokepast.es/6ab43f2a6f1de0c7

sure

[uneven vigil]

ty

[hollow fern]

just moved 8 evs from attack to hp

[uneven vigil]

lol ok

ty

[hollow fern]

yeah np hope u have fun

[acoustic warren]

https://pokepast.es/34ce7aea4c03c723
hi! i'd like feedback on this regieleki team!
my vision: eleki gets onto the field and tbolts or volt switches out, outspeeding +1 valiant by 2 points (no modest greed rip) with clod and tinglu as the biggest obstacles
alo is just standard wish fish pivot to slow pivot on ground types
tapu lele hp fire for ghold psyshock for clod, z for 60% on ting lu
lando is lando
ngl i don't have a reason for ferrothorn i just liked his typing as a last pick and spikes to chip ground types
ttar is knock aborber, zard switch in, i wanted rocks but i also wanted to pursuit trap glowking and low kick ting lu cuz ttar is usually walled by lu
i am realizing i made a team that cannot break gliscor so any reccomendations r appreciated!

[uneven vigil]

tera blast in a format with no teras?

[acoustic warren]

yeye!

it's for coverage

like how eleki used to run swift/ancient power

it's just more bp swift

it's eleki's highest bp non-electric move haha

i saw that tech in SV OU before eleki was banned, people would click it before even using tera

[uneven vigil]

also uhh moonblast is illegal on fini

literally every move is banned acctually

did you just copy this team from smogon or smth?

also toxic illegal on alomo

wait

i was on the wrong format lmao

1 sec

mb

anyways

i just like dont see why would you run u-turn on a non-scarf lando

also why double toxic?

also why is the IV spread onferrothorn and tyra for

@acoustic warren

[acoustic warren]

this is lele?

[uneven vigil]

i was on another format

while looking at the team

[acoustic warren]

slow pivot!

[uneven vigil]

sorry

[acoustic warren]

gotcha

[uneven vigil]

i just dont get why would you run that over stealth rock

[acoustic warren]

alo needs toxic to not be passive, lando likes toxic cuz toxic +eq is hard to switch into but it could be swapped

pivoting is easy for people who are bad at doubling

[uneven vigil]

you have alo on toxic though?

[acoustic warren]

ferrothorn has standard iv spread on smogon i forget what the spdef is for

ttar is just ouspeeding adamant gambit

[uneven vigil]

alr alr

[acoustic warren]

the problem is the team cannot beat gliscor haha

[uneven vigil]

160 hp on tyra to survive a specific attack?

[uneven vigil]

just run my goat weavile

i dont see why would you run ferrot

you got good tanks, lando and tyra

[acoustic warren]

weavile doesn't beat gliscor cuz gliscor probably switches out to rockey helmet alo

[acoustic warren]

no just dumping the rest of EVs into hp

[uneven vigil]

u got eleci

[acoustic warren]

i wanted fairy resist and other resists but ye ferro isn't special for smth

[uneven vigil]

i dont see why wouldnt you just put on atk

[acoustic warren]

it's already max atk

liek adamant

[uneven vigil]

then spee? maybe

speed

[acoustic warren]

200 spd is alll i rly need,ttar's isn't outspeeding much

it is nice and fat tho it's a wallbreaker

problem is that i need a wallbreaker that can force chip on gliscor

[acoustic warren]

and then they switch back into gliscor, one of us needs to make a double or slow pivot or use mons that force chip

[uneven vigil]

gliscor can just poison heal?

i highly suggest you run kartana

just counters stall

[hollow fern]

You should either make ferro rocks or make ttar run rocks

[acoustic warren]

a lot of stall runs a idef bpress mon

[uneven vigil]

also resists fairy

[hollow fern]

Stall runs corv

[uneven vigil]

hmm

[acoustic warren]

i see i opted for spikes initially cuz it hits ground types better but i could probably slot rocks on ttar, i wasn't pursuit trapping much?

[hollow fern]

Yeah that's fair

Rocks are just basically mandatory on teams

[uneven vigil]

electi beats no?

[hollow fern]

Stall runs clod

[uneven vigil]

hmmmmmm

[hollow fern]

Stall also is very unpopular in natdex

Like uu/ru level usage

[uneven vigil]

weavile

[hollow fern]

Dozo

[hollow fern]

The main reason is it struggles with common stuff like lele

[uneven vigil]

kartana

isnt dozo water ground

or am i wrong

i dont remember

[hollow fern]

It's just water

[uneven vigil]

still

[hollow fern]

Also remember they run corv

[uneven vigil]

kartana

[uneven vigil]

electi

eleki*

[hollow fern]

Why are you saying the same things😭

We are going in circles lol

[uneven vigil]

they js counter them no?

fuck stall

[acoustic warren]

tru

[hollow fern]

Id say make lele cm here

[acoustic warren]

i was avoiding cm lele because im afraid of comittment

but that probably makes sense on a z pummel set

i am thinking of slotting an ice type

but that alone doesn't beat gliscor

i need to force chip onto it so that lele can force a kill or smth

[hollow fern]

The team kinda lacks a consistent wincon is the main thing

[acoustic warren]

gliscor isn't staying in on ice types

[uneven vigil]

weavile

[acoustic warren]

i tend to do that, i was hoping eleki would be win con once ground dies

it is the fastest and strongest thing without a ground

[hollow fern]

Problem is that it can't kill grounds easily

[acoustic warren]

weavile is a frail fast attacker and i already have eleki to support

[hollow fern]

And grounds are on basically every team

[uneven vigil]

why notrun 2 sweepers :D

well i dont really think eleki is that good rn

i get it its a nice sweeper but

ground types are everywhere

[acoustic warren]

oh yeah it's not the best

but it's fun to build around smth

like i take inspiration from pinkacross

i like his streams

and i wanna build around a mon a find cool and is underrated

i think eleki has potential

[merry delta]

Eleki is straight up bad

[acoustic warren]

i just need a better way to force damage on gliscor

aw

[merry delta]

Pretty much unviable in any tier where it can’t use Tera mainly because grounds are everywhere in addition to multiple special walls / electric resists that wall eleki easily

[hollow fern]

Main problem is that glisc/lando are everywhere

[acoustic warren]

yeah :/

[merry delta]

Koko would usually be a better choice always, even mmane would be better usually (although it’s still not good)

[acoustic warren]

i mean they'd never add a pokemon that 4x resists electric while being bulky on both sides and having an electric type sucker punch no way

koko is more versatile and generally better but eleki isn't 100% outclassed if it can be better speed control and power?

if a mon isn't 100% outclassed it's possible to build around it's shortcomings hopefully

im just not that good at building haha

[merry delta]

It is most certainly 100% outclassed by other fast electrics

Koko is stronger because of eterrain

[hollow fern]

Problem is that you can't really do those things because you can only use electric moves

[merry delta]

Well

[hollow fern]

And koko is very fast anyways

[acoustic warren]

transistor!

100 sptk > 95 sptk

but ik dazzling gleam stab is good

and hp ice

im just saying it's not 100% better

like 90% better probably

but eleki does have defining traits

outspeeding valiant is crazy

[hollow fern]

He also sucks at removal

Because the ones setting the rocks

Are ground types

[merry delta]

Electric terrain has a larger boost

[acoustic warren]

e terrain is 1.3x?

Generation VIII onwards
Electric Terrain now:
Boosts the power of Electric-type moves used by affected Pokémon by 30% instead of the previous 50%.

from bulbapedia

transistor is also 1.3x!

[merry delta]

Ah looking at wrong thing

Well

[acoustic warren]

regieleki isn't for removal, he has the oppsite of 4mss

[merry delta]

Koko is still 100% better because of uturn / hp ice / typing etc

[acoustic warren]

so i slotted it incase i ever need emergency removal

[merry delta]

There is no reason to use eleki

[hollow fern]

Yeah I was just mentioning

[merry delta]

Koko outspeeds everything it needs to

[acoustic warren]

well not 100% by definition not 100%

[hollow fern]

It can't even have a niche for that

[acoustic warren]

it would be nice to outspeed zama +scarfers

it's not bad to be faster

[merry delta]

you don’t need to tho

And what Koko offers is generally better

It also has a free item slot to hold boots and such

Eleki needs norm z to do anything to grounds which makes it hazard weak

And koko is still better at doing rkilling duties because of elec / fairy z if it chooses to use them

[acoustic warren]

well if ur saying koko as a free item slot then eleki should have the pro of being 1.5x stronger

[acoustic warren]

eleki doesn't need to do everything, that's what a team is for

[acoustic warren]

koko is very good at that. yes

[merry delta]

Well when u can use a clearly better option

There’s no reason to put it on a team in the first place

[acoustic warren]

well i wouldn't say no reason, it's cool to use unconventionjal mons

[hollow fern]

Problem is that you're using a mon who can't do anything to a type that is necessary on all teams

[merry delta]

Its not even that much stronger that it affects much

It’s 5 spatk

And look at the other things Koko just does, better

[acoustic warren]

u said eleki doesn't have a free item slot so with specs it is stronger

if ur saying eleki is tied to specs

[hollow fern]

Koko can hit grounds tho

[merry delta]

Eleki is tied to norm z

No one should ever be using specs eleki because that’s already even worse than a normal eleki

[acoustic warren]

that's true that ground as are on all teams but the reasn they are on all teams is personified by Eleki

[hollow fern]

Koko has recovery, a great secondary typing/stab, coverage, pivoting

[merry delta]

Koko is better at using a specs set anyway

Because of coverage / uturn etc etc

[merry delta]

Competitively it has no use

[acoustic warren]

i agree!

[merry delta]

It is cool but when there is a much better option right around the corner

Why bother

[acoustic warren]

but it's not 100% better and that allows for innovation

if not trying smth new why teambuoild at all

just stick to samples

[merry delta]

U aren’t listening at all bro 😭

Whatever

[hollow fern]

You can innovate a lot-but eleki is unviable

[merry delta]

Innovating does not require the use of a shitmon that is outclassed in every way except one small particular thing that isn’t even important to its role compared to its much better competition

[hollow fern]

There's like 50 mons on the vr

That at least have some usable niche

[acoustic warren]

people top the ladder with uncoventional mons/teams

i probably won't be one of them

but ye there's a point to it

[merry delta]

Well the NDOU ladder particularly is very bad

Both at the game / teams they use

[acoustic warren]

i have responded to ur points and spoke in good faith im not not listening

i agree with the points u make that are valid and i disagree when i think i have a valid point

[acoustic warren]

the bottom is bad but top players are still at the top for a reason

[merry delta]

The high ladder is still very bad

[hollow fern]

Ladder doesn't indicate viability is the main thing

I've run into psyterrain trick room mega slowbro in like top 200😭

[acoustic warren]

u have to be good to get to like 2k+elo no?

[merry delta]

Well NDOU ladder only goes to like 1950 or so on a very good day

[acoustic warren]

i made a tr melmetal team recently that uses trick room as an optional mode but it elsewise a normal team

[acoustic warren]

idk the exact number but yeah u have to be good to get to 1900+

[merry delta]

Not really no it takes no effort

U can very easily cheese ladder too

[acoustic warren]

im sorry but to say to get to the top of smth takes no effort is wrong?

i could never top ladder

because it takes skill and consistency

[acoustic warren]

cheese is inconscistent, no?

that's why it's cheese

[hollow fern]

Not when you're facing ill equipped teams

You can go try eleki the thing is that it's just not viable🤷‍♂️

It's fine to use not viable mons

It's pretty fun fs

[stark sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/1f106bd9be20af12 any1 got any ideas for my last 2

i feel like the first 4 got really good switch ins for most threats

a lil weak to dark

im thinking lele could be good for like kingambit

im thinking slow pivot for rapid spin without breaking shell

oh wait im all special attackers

[stark sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/3e4527ebca8d1656

[uneven vigil]

switch terapagos for lando

natural lando for the set iyk that

also use defog kartana

https://pokepast.es/b64dfbae36835221

alternate:

https://pokepast.es/3d8b208cab5e051a

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[uneven vigil]

@stark sorrel

[hollow fern]

Why would they need defog kart when they already have removal?

[uneven vigil]

do they>

?

oop

i didnt see rapid spin on rotom

nvm

[hollow fern]

Rotom doesn't learn rapid spin

[uneven vigil]

rotom wash

[hollow fern]

Yes

It doesn't learn rapid spin

Also there's no reason behind the lando spread, and it doesn't need to hold boots because it's immune to spikes and is neutral to sr

That ace ev spread is also nonsensical

Plz don't give advice if u don't really know the metagame

I'd recommend playing it first and using sample teams

[fossil beacon]

idk why we would use defog over court change given the option anyways considering we dont have any hazards

speaking of which

i dont see a reason why this team wouldnt benefit from a hazard setter in the first place

theres also no ground type

[proper yarrow]

Lando

[heavy shadow]

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[celest merlin]

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[undone jetty]

Me cago en todo tanto ingles me agobia

[acoustic warren]

u do need lando

*removal

sd lando is a set but whether it good here?

i'd rather just have a bulky pivoting lando

u already have other strong attackers like SD gambit but im not the most well versed in teambuilding

i don't like lele and gambit on the same team cuz gambit loves sucker but i guess u could always try to run out of turns

but someone is going to be able to try to use ur psychic terrain to beat gambit

[dense radish]

https://pokepast.es/89293899103725eb

[celest merlin]

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[potent furnace]

mdia over pex

dnite should be drag z

or boots

make tusk booster and a diff offensive mon over pex

[dense radish]

So I make tusk offesive?