NatDex OU Rates | Smogon | Page 26

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 11:14 PM

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It gets stopped by like literally any water type rn

carmine hamlet Apr 29, 2025, 11:15 PM

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you could keep it and make it SD with tpunch though that still only 2hkoes mola and still loses to pex and dozo

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if you wanna replace it.. hm lets see

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ival seems like a pretty tough mu, maybe try volc?

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still loses to pex though

carmine hamlet Apr 29, 2025, 11:18 PM

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quartz holly It gets stopped by like literally any water type rn

kart should be able to beat waters though

stark sorrel Apr 29, 2025, 11:20 PM

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shhh

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dont tell any1

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it was gonna be a electric surge but i decided on drought tho

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 11:23 PM

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carmine hamlet you could keep it and make it SD with tpunch though that still only 2hkoes mola ...

Wouldn’t tpunch do less damage than CC to alo

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Also yeah I js remembered part of the point of blaziken was to chase mscizor out so wtv I replace it with has to hopefully be able to do that

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Otherwise my only play against mscizor is to pray xurks z hypnosis lands

carmine hamlet Apr 29, 2025, 11:26 PM

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quartz holly Wouldn’t tpunch do less damage than CC to alo

...yeah

carmine hamlet Apr 29, 2025, 11:26 PM

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quartz holly Otherwise my only play against mscizor is to pray xurks z hypnosis lands

damn

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 11:26 PM

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carmine hamlet kart should be able to beat waters though

Yeh

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 11:27 PM

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carmine hamlet ival seems like a pretty tough mu, maybe try volc?

Hmmm sure

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 11:29 PM

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carmine hamlet still loses to pex though

Hidden power ground doesn’t do enuf does it

stark sorrel Apr 29, 2025, 11:39 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ffa141a9d361ac17 lil niche team i built cs i was bored

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rate ts

celest merlinBOT Apr 29, 2025, 11:39 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

stark sorrel Apr 29, 2025, 11:41 PM

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it was based around revaroom so dont be hating cs im running him

potent furnace Apr 29, 2025, 11:55 PM

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what does revavroom do

stark sorrel Apr 29, 2025, 11:56 PM

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shift gear

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sweeper

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pretty good base damage

merry delta Apr 30, 2025, 12:29 AM

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revavroom is not good

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You would definitely want a different steel from the plentiful amount of options

quartz holly Apr 30, 2025, 12:58 AM

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stark sorrel it was gonna be a electric surge but i decided on drought tho

Ohhh hahaha

quartz holly Apr 30, 2025, 1:00 AM

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stark sorrel it was gonna be a electric surge but i decided on drought tho

electric + sun is a funny combo ngl

stark sorrel Apr 30, 2025, 1:00 AM

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merry delta revavroom is not good

i litterally just said im building a niche team around revaroom

merry delta Apr 30, 2025, 1:01 AM

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Well you did put it in the rmt channel 🤷‍♂️

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Either way your best bet would just go full Ho with the mon

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It’s not fit for a bo / balance kind of team like this if anything at all

quartz holly Apr 30, 2025, 1:04 AM

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stark sorrel it was gonna be a electric surge but i decided on drought tho

idt electric + sun goes well tgt tbh

stark sorrel Apr 30, 2025, 1:06 AM

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prob is, especially in singles its hela hard to do

quartz holly Apr 30, 2025, 1:11 AM

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stark sorrel i litterally just said im building a niche team around revaroom

IMO for niche offensive sweepers like this

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they really just belong on HO teams

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cuz theyre usuually like hard to build aroundd due to inconsistency or smth

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so it feels like its best to just deal with the inconsistency by slapping on a bunch of other inconsistent sweepers and hoping one breaks thru

vast tendon Apr 30, 2025, 2:18 AM

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https://pokepast.es/7989c8a0722fae5b

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ik ho isnt the best rn but i threw something fun together

carmine hamlet Apr 30, 2025, 5:08 AM

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quartz holly Hidden power ground doesn’t do enuf does it

hardly, thats more for heatran

stark sorrel Apr 30, 2025, 5:22 AM

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https://pokepast.es/700cc59ad438629c im letting chat.gpt help me with this team what yall think lol

quartz holly Apr 30, 2025, 5:40 AM

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vast tendon ik ho isnt the best rn but i threw something fun together

Huh why isn’t HO the best rn

quartz holly Apr 30, 2025, 11:38 AM

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carmine hamlet ival seems like a pretty tough mu, maybe try volc?

hmm how bout temper flare great tusk

quartz holly Apr 30, 2025, 11:57 AM

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Hmm honestly great tusk isn’t rly a sweeper, doesn’t fit well tho

carmine hamlet Apr 30, 2025, 1:26 PM

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err i guess that fits the theme of pure cheese

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booster speed bulk up could probably work (with or without temper flare)

quartz holly Apr 30, 2025, 1:49 PM

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carmine hamlet booster speed bulk up could probably work (with or without temper flare)

Hmm idk booster speed alw felt weak

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I’d rather go booster attack with rapid spin

carmine hamlet Apr 30, 2025, 1:50 PM

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yeah that works too

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i was just scared that that set might not beat msciz wo bulk up (OR you could put temper flare 🤷‍♂️ )

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 3:35 PM

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What yall think abt this team

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 3:38 PM

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carmine hamlet i was just scared that that set might not beat msciz wo bulk up (OR you could pu...

Rate my team

quartz holly Apr 30, 2025, 3:48 PM

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why do u have aurora veil

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with only 1 actual sweeper

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s

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and a bunchof defensive mons

next forge Apr 30, 2025, 4:25 PM

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ye this whole team is just unviable and all over the place

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ur better off using sample teams

pallid saffron Apr 30, 2025, 4:43 PM

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https://pokepast.es/dbe965f1c210f2e0 any tips or feedback for this team? i want to use mega chomp so dont remove it if you have feedback

celest merlinBOT Apr 30, 2025, 4:43 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 5:24 PM

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quartz holly with only 1 actual sweeper

Cause that what it all matters abt if u have ferrothorn or a flying and steel type move ur done for with fucking magnezone then aurora veil comes in clutch with clodgsire cause clodgsire once level up twice he most likely taking 50% to 60% of ur defog poke so it not a good look for yall and then my boy bennettie is their for pokes who are insanely strong and clodgsire not there then Mandibuzz is simple

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It not all over the place it works in all of a team

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 5:26 PM

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quartz holly and a bunchof defensive mons

I love it when ppl doubt my team

proper yarrow Apr 30, 2025, 5:27 PM

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because the team is terrible

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 5:27 PM

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pallid saffron https://pokepast.es/dbe965f1c210f2e0 any tips or feedback for this team? i want ...

Honestly not bad

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 5:28 PM

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proper yarrow because the team is terrible

LMAO ur funny bro

proper yarrow Apr 30, 2025, 5:28 PM

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pallid saffron https://pokepast.es/dbe965f1c210f2e0 any tips or feedback for this team? i want ...

only wellspring switch is, your own wellspring?

proper yarrow Apr 30, 2025, 5:28 PM

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dense isle LMAO ur funny bro

no, but ur team is very bad

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 5:28 PM

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proper yarrow because the team is terrible

Show me ur team

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I wanna see

pallid saffron Apr 30, 2025, 5:28 PM

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dense isle Honestly not bad

what do i change, i struggle dealing with corvinknight a good bit

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 5:28 PM

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I bet it all quark drive or boost energy

pallid saffron Apr 30, 2025, 5:28 PM

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proper yarrow only wellspring switch is, your own wellspring?

i struggle to deal with corvinknight

proper yarrow Apr 30, 2025, 5:29 PM

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dense isle Show me ur team

https://pokepast.es/22427ff743bd2559

pallid saffron Apr 30, 2025, 5:29 PM

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what can i change

proper yarrow Apr 30, 2025, 5:30 PM

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just wait for the raters to see it ig, im sorry im not that good at giving advice shouldnt have said anything

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my bad

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 5:30 PM

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proper yarrow https://pokepast.es/22427ff743bd2559

I think I vs you b4

pallid saffron Apr 30, 2025, 5:30 PM

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oh ok

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 5:30 PM

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I beat you

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I believe

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Or someone had the same team

proper yarrow Apr 30, 2025, 5:30 PM

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whats ur rating

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 5:30 PM

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Idk if I beat u cause the guy and I had A very good battle

proper yarrow Apr 30, 2025, 5:30 PM

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ive only lost to kgb w this team so far

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 5:31 PM

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U honestly be surprise on how well balance center my team is and how it works

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I want u to try it

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Just try it and see how it is

proper yarrow Apr 30, 2025, 5:33 PM

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looking at the natdex ou vr

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ur team has one ou "viable" pokemon

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 5:34 PM

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Wym?

proper yarrow Apr 30, 2025, 5:34 PM

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that is essentially on the borders of being unviable

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 5:34 PM

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What is unviable

proper yarrow Apr 30, 2025, 5:34 PM

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everything except clodsire

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 5:34 PM

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Why don’t u think this team and what do u think it get solo from 😭

proper yarrow Apr 30, 2025, 5:35 PM

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ill just stop talking i dont want to get in any trouble with the big guys

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 5:35 PM

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Tell me cause hopefully I don’t jinx myself but I haven’t found any team to solo my team

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Any pokemone

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Most teams can but this team can’t

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Cause A if ur upgrading a lot on spa or attack clodsgire there and even then destiny bond

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😭😭

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Tbh I want my team to never get solo by one poke

old vessel Apr 30, 2025, 6:10 PM

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Asks for team criticism
Gets what they ask for
Denies and complains about criticism

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Makes sense 👍

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 6:10 PM

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I am asking what wrong and who can solo it

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Not one has prove me anything

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And I am telling ppl why it isn’t bad

proper yarrow Apr 30, 2025, 6:13 PM

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the individual pokemon are all garbage

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and the team makes no sense

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 6:14 PM

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You want to do a 1v1 and test it out

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No disrespect

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Just I am saying

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Let’s put that to the test

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Against ur team

proper yarrow Apr 30, 2025, 6:16 PM

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i will lose

dense isle Apr 30, 2025, 6:21 PM

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So why do u say it ass?

coral sigil Apr 30, 2025, 6:46 PM

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lmao that team

coral sigil Apr 30, 2025, 6:47 PM

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dense isle

i cant believe you posted this and tried to defend this

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i would be ashamed of queuing up with this

proper yarrow Apr 30, 2025, 7:01 PM

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lol

proper yarrow Apr 30, 2025, 7:37 PM

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https://pokepast.es/cc1c95eda6590245 gholdengo is a bit awkward but idk what other ho mon beats idbp zama

gray lake Apr 30, 2025, 8:01 PM

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Hatt

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is a decent option for teams like this for this exact reason

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also u prolly want some kinda hazard lead

next forge Apr 30, 2025, 8:08 PM

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This might as well be dual screens

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U can just go stealth rock Z chomp

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And then air balloon / colbur berry / shuca berry ghold

quartz holly Apr 30, 2025, 11:19 PM

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dense isle Why don’t u think this team and what do u think it get solo from 😭

Okay one advice here,

idt alolan ninetails is any good in natdex. It might be better in SV OU but in natdex it js feels like an instant loss to Yarizard. I think grimsnarl is the btr screens setter in natdex cuz of Yarizard. Might be wrong tho

dense isle May 1, 2025, 12:39 AM

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quartz holly Okay one advice here, - idt alolan ninetails is any good in natdex. It might be...

You try it ngl it very good, imo just advance tho if u got a stall poke that steel like corviknight or ferrothorn just switch to magnezone

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Cause magnezone with just kill them and they can’t switch out

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Lmao

dense isle May 1, 2025, 12:40 AM

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quartz holly Okay one advice here, - idt alolan ninetails is any good in natdex. It might be...

It doesn’t win at all cause A clodgsire there and banettite can bring it down if I need too

quartz holly May 1, 2025, 1:04 AM

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okay yeah but yr alolan ninetails isnt doing much in the facce of yarizard either

dense isle May 1, 2025, 3:11 AM

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Alolan ninetails can take two hits from it tho

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?

quartz holly May 1, 2025, 3:46 AM

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252 SpA Charizard Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ninetales-Alola in Sun: 434-512 (124 - 146.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
????

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everytime u bring ninetails in

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they js immediately pivot their yard in

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the most u can do is hope to freeze it

normal nebula May 1, 2025, 3:48 AM

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https://pokepast.es/f5558e7b1da07531

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lmk

celest merlinBOT May 1, 2025, 3:48 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

proper yarrow May 1, 2025, 5:35 AM

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gray lake also u prolly want some kinda hazard lead

Terap won't work as a lead?

proper yarrow May 1, 2025, 5:35 AM

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next forge This might as well be dual screens

Who do I use as the setter

quartz holly May 1, 2025, 5:45 AM

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proper yarrow Who do I use as the setter

isnt grimsnarl rly the only good screens setter in natdex? ifl if you try using alolan ninetailes yr js gna get cooked (both figuratively and literally) by yard

potent furnace May 1, 2025, 5:58 AM

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its just yard though

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ninetales has the benefit of being fast outside of prankster alongside encore

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also ice is pretty solid antilead typing

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if you have teammates who can threaten yard t1 you can lead them asw

next forge May 1, 2025, 6:22 AM

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proper yarrow Who do I use as the setter

Tapu koko

proper yarrow May 1, 2025, 6:29 AM

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next forge Tapu koko

And over who

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Terap?

coral sigil May 1, 2025, 6:29 AM

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quartz holly Okay one advice here, - idt alolan ninetails is any good in natdex. It might be...

alola ninetales can work against yard teams by swapping out

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it requires some finesse and as a HO veil team you don't want to be wasting your turns

proper yarrow May 1, 2025, 7:57 AM

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https://pokepast.es/c236a1dafbd91b17

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made the changes

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time to enter this in the team building competition

proper yarrow May 1, 2025, 8:55 AM

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time to get a grand total of 0 votes

quartz holly May 1, 2025, 9:21 AM

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theres ateam building competiton?

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can show me where

quartz holly May 1, 2025, 9:21 AM

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coral sigil alola ninetales can work against yard teams by swapping out

ehh yeah but like

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idk

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it js feels like a rly bad matchup

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against 1 particular pokemon

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anytime you swap in yr ninetails to try to veil

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they can js swap in yard

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i guess u cld swap in ninetails on yard

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hmm

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maybe i shdnt theorymon sm

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see how it aclt plays out

plush lintel May 1, 2025, 9:54 AM

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https://pokepast.es/1ef96124fa3bcac5

celest merlinBOT May 1, 2025, 9:54 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

rigid torrent May 1, 2025, 11:39 AM

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plush lintel https://pokepast.es/1ef96124fa3bcac5

Looks fun

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Dk abt specs koko

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Maybe boots is better

plush lintel May 1, 2025, 11:45 AM

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rigid torrent Maybe boots is better

i think we need a breaker

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also no knock

ancient matrix May 1, 2025, 1:15 PM

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Ghold can break, no?

potent furnace May 1, 2025, 3:51 PM

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not without np

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cm mtias seems kind of stinky asw

sharp radish May 1, 2025, 4:36 PM

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ancient matrix Ghold can break, no?

Yo

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Azu

sharp radish May 1, 2025, 4:38 PM

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potent furnace cm mtias seems kind of stinky asw

I agree

ancient matrix May 1, 2025, 6:28 PM

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sharp radish Azu

Hi

sharp radish May 1, 2025, 6:38 PM

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How u been

dense isle May 1, 2025, 6:44 PM

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quartz holly they js immediately pivot their yard in

First I wouldn’t fucking put my alolan ninetail with sun out 😭

proper yarrow May 1, 2025, 6:45 PM

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oh my god dude

dense isle May 1, 2025, 6:46 PM

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plush lintel https://pokepast.es/1ef96124fa3bcac5

I just know ur annoying to deal with 😭 cause wtf bro

dense isle May 1, 2025, 6:47 PM

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plush lintel https://pokepast.es/1ef96124fa3bcac5

I feel like a corviknight and a knock off taunt team can kill it tho??? How would u deal with that

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Or did u already went up against that

ancient matrix May 1, 2025, 6:48 PM

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What

dense isle May 1, 2025, 7:00 PM

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Just made this team out of fun rate it

dense isle May 1, 2025, 7:01 PM

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proper yarrow oh my god dude

Yo rate my team since ur good

plush lintel May 2, 2025, 3:39 AM

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dense isle I just know ur annoying to deal with 😭 cause wtf bro

lmao

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im just trying to make something viable

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i find fat hard to make

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offence is easy af

tender rover May 2, 2025, 4:24 AM

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make your own team adapt after every battle

proper yarrow May 2, 2025, 6:35 AM

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https://pokepast.es/6d3ef7006d6697bb this was my first team i made for natdex like 2-3 months ago, it was very horribly weak to pult back then, is this any good now

celest merlinBOT May 2, 2025, 6:35 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

dense isle May 2, 2025, 11:22 AM

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tender rover make your own team adapt after every battle

Tire

drowsy jewel May 2, 2025, 4:25 PM

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https://pokepast.es/fd0258c2f9d30d09

celest merlinBOT May 2, 2025, 4:25 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

potent furnace May 2, 2025, 4:29 PM

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sash lead meowsc is not a good fit for a fatter team like this

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you only ever run sash leads on HO

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ghold over gengar and lando over meowsc and you should be good though

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oh also HDB on pex and leftovers on ferro

proper yarrow May 2, 2025, 4:30 PM

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proper yarrow https://pokepast.es/6d3ef7006d6697bb this was my first team i made for natdex li...

gmcat

drowsy jewel May 2, 2025, 5:14 PM

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potent furnace ghold over gengar and lando over meowsc and you should be good though

I kinda wanna keep my meows ;-;
Is there any other way ?

stark sorrel May 3, 2025, 12:25 AM

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whats the meta team kinda thing rn, like what core what strat

dense isle May 3, 2025, 1:51 AM

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https://pokepast.es/f135bcf2f6ccd7cd

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Rate this team

celest merlinBOT May 3, 2025, 1:51 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tender rover May 3, 2025, 3:12 AM

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https://pokepast.es/4eea2ff4bdb8b219

paper notch May 3, 2025, 3:40 AM

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tender rover https://pokepast.es/4eea2ff4bdb8b219

i dont think triple Z is a good idea man

tender rover May 3, 2025, 3:43 AM

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enlighten me

paper notch May 3, 2025, 3:44 AM

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the moment you use one z move the other two becomes useless

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and in most cases the one z move isnt gonna win early game

tender rover May 3, 2025, 3:45 AM

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yea situational awarness u never know what your gonna need the next battle

paper notch May 3, 2025, 3:45 AM

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if u use the z move early ur gonna be left with two mons without items and if you save the z move ur playing 3 mons without items

tender rover May 3, 2025, 3:45 AM

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i start with terapogos he solos first 2

paper notch May 3, 2025, 3:46 AM

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z koko and z kart also just does not bring enough value to the game

tender rover May 3, 2025, 3:46 AM

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kinda play around him

paper notch May 3, 2025, 3:46 AM

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you cannot expect terapagos to solo two mons every game

tender rover May 3, 2025, 3:46 AM

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kart is actually a big player for me

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but he does if you know what your doing

paper notch May 3, 2025, 3:47 AM

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only if ur playing vs a terrible team maybe'

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any half decent team is gonna be able to deal with terapagos one wat or another

tender rover May 3, 2025, 3:48 AM

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1v1?\

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you seem like you know wassup im a novice teach me through battle

paper notch May 3, 2025, 3:49 AM

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sure

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gimme a min

tender rover May 3, 2025, 3:49 AM

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offpsilocybin is my smurf ig u can call it

dense isle May 3, 2025, 3:49 AM

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https://pokepast.es/7ae845edc9dd1dcd

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Guys rate this team

tender rover May 3, 2025, 3:49 AM

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just send chall whenever

paper notch May 3, 2025, 3:50 AM

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aight

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ill need like 10 min tho if thats ok

tender rover May 3, 2025, 3:50 AM

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goldduck thats different is he good?

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yea bro ur good no rush

dense isle May 3, 2025, 3:51 AM

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He just stop gliscor yard and lando and most of them use a surge to win with all this quark drive etc

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And drought too

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Cause of cloud nine

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But the team is off to a win tho

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So

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I keep updating yall

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Abt this team

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I could see my team losing to a fairy and grass team tho

tender rover May 3, 2025, 3:53 AM

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all i gotta say and thing that has helped me build a team for me is adapt every game find those repetetive holes in your team and fill em as best as possible

hard creek May 3, 2025, 3:54 AM

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Golduck is really bad and is outclassed by basically every other relevant offesive water, we've also told you to grab the samples repeatedly

dense isle May 3, 2025, 3:54 AM

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Bro I AINT GRABBING THE SAMPLES I WANT TO BUILD MY TEAM

tender rover May 3, 2025, 3:54 AM

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samples are ass

dense isle May 3, 2025, 3:54 AM

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exactly it no fun

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It takes the fun out of the game

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We want to be competitive yes but also fun

acoustic ermine May 3, 2025, 3:54 AM

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It doesn’t though?

hard creek May 3, 2025, 3:55 AM

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They're at least better than this and honestly, if you want good teams, just ask around! People who play ND likely have updated teams to share with you

acoustic ermine May 3, 2025, 3:55 AM

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^

dense isle May 3, 2025, 3:56 AM

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hard creek They're at least better than this and honestly, if you want good teams, just ask...

Do u play national dex

hard creek May 3, 2025, 3:58 AM

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Yes I try my best to keep up with the meta and I make teams or at least attempt to do so with help, @potent furnace can problably explain this better than I can as they are better at ND than I am as they are an official rater, but several of these Pokemon are not even ranked on the VR and you should likely learn the tier more before working with super niche Pokemon

paper notch May 3, 2025, 4:06 AM

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tender rover just send chall whenever

im ready

tender rover May 3, 2025, 4:13 AM

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bet

hollow fern May 3, 2025, 4:27 AM

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tender rover bet

Tell us how the match goes I'm invested now cathug

tender rover May 3, 2025, 4:39 AM

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i got slammed lmao

potent furnace May 3, 2025, 4:56 AM

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hard creek Yes I try my best to keep up with the meta and I make teams or at least attempt ...

full stop thanks for the plug but my builder is a little out of date atm

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😭

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ive been building stuff lately but not too much

dry rivet May 3, 2025, 5:00 AM

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Oh mb

proper yarrow May 3, 2025, 5:18 AM

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dense isle Bro I AINT GRABBING THE SAMPLES I WANT TO BUILD MY TEAM

Then ur not gonna be building any good teams

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https://pokepast.es/d2a25dee1594210c

Screenshot_2025-05-03-10-53-06-03_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg

dense isle May 3, 2025, 6:36 AM

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https://pokepast.es/0f47d6ac2d4bb6c5

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Gen 8

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National dex

potent furnace May 3, 2025, 6:54 AM

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proper yarrow https://pokepast.es/d2a25dee1594210c

you're too weak to wellspring

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zama over ival

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should be good after that

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lele is also pretty scary but i think its manageable w/ corv and gking

potent furnace May 3, 2025, 6:55 AM

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dense isle https://pokepast.es/0f47d6ac2d4bb6c5

if you're running veil HO mandi and AV gking are massive momentum sinks you can't afford to run

dense isle May 3, 2025, 6:56 AM

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potent furnace if you're running veil HO mandi and AV gking are massive momentum sinks you can'...

Snow warning

potent furnace May 3, 2025, 6:56 AM

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similar vein is specs zone here since it's also a pretty huge momentum sink

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also that gking is curious medicine

dense isle May 3, 2025, 6:56 AM

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potent furnace similar vein is specs zone here since it's also a pretty huge momentum sink

Idk what to replace for gking cause I don’t want my ninetails to get fuck over

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Who do u think would be a perfect fit

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Maybe chansey?

potent furnace May 3, 2025, 6:57 AM

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you're torn in two directions rn

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you have half of a veil HO team and half of a more standard balance/offense

dense isle May 3, 2025, 6:57 AM

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Idk what to do tho you think I should run a hyper offense

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Team

potent furnace May 3, 2025, 6:57 AM

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depends on what you want to do

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its ur team

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would you rather go HO or rather go balance

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actually sorry i cant do this right now its way too early for me

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im going to go to sleep and if nobody's helped you by then i can help when i wake up

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for me its 3am though ive got to sleep

proper yarrow May 3, 2025, 7:04 AM

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potent furnace zama over ival

Which set

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Boots ?

dense isle May 3, 2025, 7:06 AM

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https://pokepast.es/22c97117de940d61

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Date it

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Rate

proper yarrow May 3, 2025, 7:12 AM

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Whats with u and using a random unviable mon

dark verge May 3, 2025, 8:34 AM

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https://pokepast.es/fef501853f027a19
first time i've ever tried seriously teambuilding

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limber crypt May 3, 2025, 1:04 PM

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dark verge https://pokepast.es/fef501853f027a19 first time i've ever tried seriously teambu...

this is pretty solid for a first attempt, i would do black glasses or hdb > sash on hamu, then u can either drop lop for zap (this frees up the defog slot of lando) or you can drop lando and lop for defensive tusk and mega latios, which fits with the more offenaive feel of the team

old vessel May 3, 2025, 2:06 PM

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dense isle https://pokepast.es/22c97117de940d61

Mfw Hyper Cutter Gliscor
Also, dude.. You could at least take a sample team and tweak it, doesn't need to be the exact same. But this isn't gonna cut it

rigid torrent May 3, 2025, 2:10 PM

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old vessel > Mfw Hyper Cutter Gliscor Also, dude.. You could at least take a sample team an...

No item gliscor is new meta

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Don't u know this

old vessel May 3, 2025, 2:11 PM

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Real

sharp radish May 3, 2025, 3:48 PM

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rigid torrent No item gliscor is new meta

Kaneki tech fr

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better than endure custap fr

rigid torrent May 3, 2025, 3:50 PM

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Capp

dark verge May 3, 2025, 5:01 PM

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limber crypt this is pretty solid for a first attempt, i would do black glasses or hdb > sash...

tysm!

hard creek May 3, 2025, 8:36 PM

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https://pokepast.es/90ee8191fbc266f0 how do I not lose to Diancie

gaunt stirrup May 3, 2025, 9:38 PM

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hard creek https://pokepast.es/90ee8191fbc266f0 how do I not lose to Diancie

Rocky helmet Serperior and Thundurus, this team is peak.

tender rover May 3, 2025, 9:51 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d4e706156110a745

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rigid torrent May 4, 2025, 12:20 AM

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tender rover https://pokepast.es/d4e706156110a745

Bros pfp 💔

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Walking spoiler

tender rover May 4, 2025, 1:14 AM

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huh?

hollow fern May 4, 2025, 1:39 AM

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cause ur pfp is a spoiler for jjk

acoustic ermine May 4, 2025, 3:01 AM

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It’s only a spoiler if you interpret as such

tender rover May 4, 2025, 3:58 AM

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https://pokepast.es/728b88e588dd18e1

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tender rover May 4, 2025, 3:59 AM

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hit the 1400 wall

ashen bear May 4, 2025, 2:05 PM

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https://pokepast.es/19435061a94a4070

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misty cove May 4, 2025, 4:48 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e91fcb1d0e8881e1

rigid torrent May 4, 2025, 7:22 PM

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misty cove https://pokepast.es/e91fcb1d0e8881e1

Sample teams are free

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Ribombee is the best webs setter

misty cove May 4, 2025, 7:22 PM

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damn bros being toxic for no reason

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can you explain to me why ribombee is better, i'm very new to this

old vessel May 4, 2025, 7:26 PM

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misty cove https://pokepast.es/e91fcb1d0e8881e1

Personally my only issue is the Gardevoir not being shiny. Galvantula is fine as a webs setter, I use it all the time and it's great

misty cove May 4, 2025, 7:26 PM

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old vessel Personally my only issue is the Gardevoir not being shiny. Galvantula is fine as...

lmao i'll make gard shiny

old vessel May 4, 2025, 7:27 PM

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It's just a superior shiny 🙏

misty cove May 4, 2025, 7:27 PM

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do you happen to know any good ideas for mons with magic bounce? what's a good way around that

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again, i'm super new

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well i played in gen 5 but like

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apples and oranges

old vessel May 4, 2025, 7:27 PM

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I think your best bet is to just get rid of em with enough damage, then you'll be free to do whatever. Unless you wanna gamble and get the statuses from secondary move effects

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Which is not entirely recommended

misty cove May 4, 2025, 7:28 PM

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so either try to kill with gal or read the magic bounce mon and start with something else, depending on the mon they'll use first?

old vessel May 4, 2025, 7:28 PM

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Pretty much, it's not mandatory to get off webs first turn

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It's what they expect you to do though

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So your choice of leads is a huge thing

misty cove May 4, 2025, 7:29 PM

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okay yeah that makes sense

old vessel May 4, 2025, 7:30 PM

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You could use Ribombee to get past Magic Bounce by using Skill Swap, that works iirc

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But I personally use Galvantula because fishing for full paralysis is fun

old vessel May 4, 2025, 7:30 PM

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old vessel You *could* use Ribombee to get past Magic Bounce by using Skill Swap, that work...

(Ribombee also has a superior shiny btw)

misty cove May 4, 2025, 7:32 PM

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old vessel You *could* use Ribombee to get past Magic Bounce by using Skill Swap, that work...

ah i see

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okay, will note this and see what i'll do thanks a lot

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besides that, solid team?

old vessel May 4, 2025, 7:33 PM

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Fairly solid yeah, I'd say get an actual certified rater to spot whatever I may have missed though lol

sharp radish May 4, 2025, 7:48 PM

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rigid torrent Capp

LOL

rigid torrent May 4, 2025, 7:53 PM

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misty cove damn bros being toxic for no reason

im sorry im not tryna be toxic but that team wont get you very far

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it may be fun but youll struggle once u reach like 1500

misty cove May 4, 2025, 7:54 PM

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could you be a bit more constructive like in what regard besides ribombee, i'd like to learn and such

rigid torrent May 4, 2025, 7:54 PM

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i dont know much about this tier

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but like

misty cove May 4, 2025, 7:54 PM

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i see

rigid torrent May 4, 2025, 7:54 PM

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lele is always gonna be better than gardevoir

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also idrk if sword dance u turn ogerpon is a good set on webs

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prob not

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u most likely want webs

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not webs i mean knock

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meowscarada and ceruledge i think are also pretty mid

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meowscarada doesnt belong on webs

misty cove May 4, 2025, 7:56 PM

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is it cause she's fast

rigid torrent May 4, 2025, 7:56 PM

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im pretty sure iron valiant is really good on webs

rigid torrent May 4, 2025, 7:56 PM

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misty cove is it cause she's fast

i think she just doesnt abuse webs as much as others could

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gholdengo u always need on webs

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gambit is nice

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this just gives u an idea of what to run

misty cove May 4, 2025, 7:57 PM

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okay

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i see

rigid torrent May 4, 2025, 7:57 PM

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i think tusk might be good on webs

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since its the best spinner

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but then again idk if u NEED spin

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could go for like ribombee iron moth gholdengo tusk dragonite

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then idek

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maybe kingambit or iron valiant

misty cove May 4, 2025, 7:59 PM

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okay i'll make that team and test it out, thanks for the advice

rigid torrent May 4, 2025, 7:59 PM

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np

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this might not be whats used my advice isnt the best but im sure that team will be better than galvantula and shi

misty cove May 4, 2025, 8:00 PM

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well i can just check it out and see, if for some reason i don't vibe w the team then it is what it is

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doesn't hurt to test it out from people who objectively know more than I do

rigid torrent May 4, 2025, 8:00 PM

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yuh yuh

hard creek May 4, 2025, 8:31 PM

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perhaps @merry delta could give you some info eonity

tender rover May 4, 2025, 8:53 PM

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https://pokepast.es/0d6d0c6cfb403a43

celest merlinBOT May 4, 2025, 8:53 PM

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potent furnace May 4, 2025, 9:01 PM

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you need a defensive backbone

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you've got 0 pokemon who can actually take a hit here

tender rover May 4, 2025, 9:01 PM

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what would you suggest

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i was thinking of thrrowing great tusk for iron crown

pallid nimbus May 4, 2025, 10:19 PM

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tender rover i was thinking of thrrowing great tusk for iron crown

If I may suggest, I believe you should have a slow defensive pivot. Hoopa-O genuinely appreciates getting in safely to start breaking down teams so mons like glowking and Alo can provide support. But I believe your team is trying to be hyper offensive? If I where you, my next setp would be reading Smogon forms, watch yt videos/replays and see how to either rebuild or find the last slot you're looking for.

tender rover May 4, 2025, 10:39 PM

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pallid nimbus If I may suggest, I believe you should have a slow defensive pivot. Hoopa-O genu...

<3,
/what are some good yt videos

pallid nimbus May 4, 2025, 10:40 PM

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https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL57P8Xu1wTD2I15pQyEEuHNNejvuRAex-&feature=shared

YouTube

Teambuilding Guides

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I personally enjoy pinkacross's content as he is pretty informed about Gen 9. He also has been playing nat dex a bit more lately so you can watch him as he team builds.

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But there's also BKC of your more into podcast and Pokeium if you want a more entertaining/engaging format.

tender rover May 4, 2025, 10:50 PM

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ill check them out ty

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https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/ been editing tho can u lmk wassup with this team

tender rover May 4, 2025, 10:53 PM

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pallid nimbus But there's also BKC of your more into podcast and Pokeium if you want a more en...

whats pokeium ?

pallid nimbus May 4, 2025, 10:54 PM

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My apologies for butchering it. PokeaimMD.

tender rover May 4, 2025, 10:54 PM

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ohh i think i seen his channel

pallid nimbus May 4, 2025, 10:55 PM

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tender rover https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/ been editing tho can u lmk wassup with this te...

Unfortunately you sent the wrong link. And I am not sure I am fully capable of assisting you further. For I am also trying to learn generation 9 national dex.

tender rover May 4, 2025, 10:56 PM

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https://pokepast.es/fd4cf46c7d7fac49

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lmao

pallid nimbus May 4, 2025, 10:57 PM

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Exadrill normally wants to run stealeuimZ tho. Giga impact for the higher power isn't really consistent.

tender rover May 4, 2025, 10:58 PM

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got it

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should i remove giga in general

pallid nimbus May 4, 2025, 10:58 PM

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I believe so

tender rover May 5, 2025, 2:16 AM

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https://pokepast.es/573b8de00a8c1a4d

proper yarrow May 5, 2025, 5:17 AM

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Again

proper yarrow May 5, 2025, 10:42 AM

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https://pokepast.es/8237ab3c2fad85bc chomp+rmoon attempt

celest merlinBOT May 5, 2025, 10:42 AM

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limber crypt May 5, 2025, 1:19 PM

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proper yarrow https://pokepast.es/8237ab3c2fad85bc chomp+rmoon attempt

not really noticing anything this is particularly weak to, tho i think mixed sr chomp would be better here since it weakens guys for moon and zama while also freeing up ferro to run spikes

proper yarrow May 5, 2025, 1:52 PM

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limber crypt not really noticing anything this is particularly weak to, tho i think mixed sr ...

Oh the original idea was that moon would break for chomp to sweep, but ig this is better

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Also I didn't put defog on zap because I intended to use moon somewhat as a knock absorber

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Will this work or do I put fog on zap

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Actually nvm all knock users beat moon lol

celest merlinBOT May 5, 2025, 6:13 PM

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potent furnace May 5, 2025, 6:16 PM

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ghold is rlly bad into this

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like really really bad

pallid nimbus May 5, 2025, 6:17 PM

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Yeah psyshock gold is really just annoying.

potent furnace May 5, 2025, 6:17 PM

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not even psyshock

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you're not unaclod +2 ghost z just fries clod

pallid nimbus May 5, 2025, 6:17 PM

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Wait I meant to make it unaware

potent furnace May 5, 2025, 6:17 PM

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+2 252 SpA Gholdengo Never-Ending Nightmare (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clodsire: 382-451 (82.3 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

pallid nimbus May 5, 2025, 6:17 PM

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My apologies, I was building it in phone.

potent furnace May 5, 2025, 6:18 PM

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you're also super reliant on shed to not explode vs wellspring

pallid nimbus May 5, 2025, 6:18 PM

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But I'm struggling to find a way for this team to make progress

potent furnace May 5, 2025, 6:18 PM

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you need spikes

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very badly

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no tox users no spike setters

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gliscor just forever walls you

pallid nimbus May 5, 2025, 6:19 PM

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I mostly want to build around shed but without sableye i don't see a way to reliably beat ferro

potent furnace May 5, 2025, 6:19 PM

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i just dont think shed is slottable

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makes you super frail into pursuit stuff

pallid nimbus May 5, 2025, 6:20 PM

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Yeah .

potent furnace May 5, 2025, 6:20 PM

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it's already good into stall but if you're shed based its basically a loss on preview

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its just way too hard to make stall work atm

pallid nimbus May 5, 2025, 6:20 PM

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Maybe gliscor in the shed slot?

potent furnace May 5, 2025, 6:20 PM

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then you just die to wellspring

pallid nimbus May 5, 2025, 6:20 PM

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Yeah..

potent furnace May 5, 2025, 6:20 PM

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dnite is probably your best bet

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idk the spread ill see if i can find runo's squad

pallid nimbus May 5, 2025, 6:21 PM

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Ik the core fundamentals of stall just building it is super difficult. Especially in this generation.

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Thank you so much @potent furnace for the assistance.

potent furnace May 5, 2025, 6:23 PM

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np

pallid nimbus May 5, 2025, 6:23 PM

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Ik you need bliss/clod for the special sweepers but everything after that is pick and choose your weaknesses.

tender rover May 5, 2025, 6:45 PM

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https://pokepast.es/432e461784c52c6e

vague hemlock May 5, 2025, 10:34 PM

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May I ask the idea behind this team?

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As of this moment I do not see much cohesion and sets are kinda off. Examples include the iron Val set, Random mega heracross (a Mon that usually needs a lot of support), then life orb ace. These are just some examples

pallid nimbus May 5, 2025, 10:41 PM

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https://pokepast.es/7f4fb8d776aae35d

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I tried to build a solid team. If anyone may be able to give me guidance or suggestions to my build I'd be grateful.

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:01 AM

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For stall i honestly dont recommend using mega sableye anymore, the 8 recover pp nerf hurt it really bad

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ur taking like 30 from ting lu, gliscor, or tusks eq

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and with mega diancie and and h samu around mega sable wont even be able to gurantee u hazard denial

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but if you do run mega sable eye then theres no point in spamming boots for the rest of ur team

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the whole point of mega sableye on stall is too deny hazards and allow ur other mons like clod or whatever run actual items

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:20 AM

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Ok wait there is actually

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So much wrong with what u said

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:22 AM

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paper notch For stall i honestly dont recommend using mega sableye anymore, the 8 recover pp...

While yes this is true msab still is very important for making sure hazard setters + Gholdengo don’t overwhelm the team over time, for example vs. Gliscor or Ferro stack

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Because of this it’s near mandatory on stall stuff

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:22 AM

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a better way to do that imo is just to run ur own gliscor

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rn sableye literally loses to tinglu click ruination

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:23 AM

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Gliscor wants to run spikes on stall not fog

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that doesn’t rlly justify dropping msab

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:23 AM

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then run spikes

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Also the ting lu thing you said just.. doesn’t matter to what msab is trying to do since ting lu wants nothing to do with msab knocking / clicking willo anyway

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:24 AM

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what i was saying is that m sable is forced in by lu

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and lu can just click ruin or eq every time

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:25 AM

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On paper sure

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but in practice u won’t be letting ting lu in that many times for sure and it never stays in

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:26 AM

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3/6 mons on that team can touch lu

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:26 AM

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You still block hazards

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:26 AM

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cant*

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:26 AM

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u do know that msab can threaten out ting lu anyway

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:26 AM

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of course

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:27 AM

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then what is your point

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:27 AM

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that lu can repeatedly come in and force chip on sable before switching out again

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and gliscor as well

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:27 AM

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well ur still blocking hazards which is what msab is meant to do there

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:28 AM

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yes but the problem is u eventually wont be able to

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:28 AM

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gliscor is running out of eqs before it can ko msab

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:28 AM

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they can also just force chip with out mons on sableeye

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:28 AM

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?

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:29 AM

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once ur low on recovers they could unironically start trading burns on stuff like gambit to hit sabkle

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:29 AM

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Well then preserve ur recovers

pallid nimbus May 6, 2025, 2:29 AM

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^

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:29 AM

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This isn’t a good argument for not having msab on stall

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:29 AM

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u cant when ur forced to take 30 every time u switch in

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:30 AM

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Because while yes the mon does have its flaws it has so many things it does for the playstyle

pallid nimbus May 6, 2025, 2:30 AM

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No matter how you slice it unfortunately mega sableye is mandatory.

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:30 AM

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paper notch u cant when ur forced to take 30 every time u switch in

you can…?

pallid nimbus May 6, 2025, 2:31 AM

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Like, stall without it loses to so much more. Especially in this gen when everything has spikes.

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:31 AM

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It’s not like msab is just sitting there either, it’s actively forcing progress

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Because it’s not so frail that it’s just a recover bot

pallid nimbus May 6, 2025, 2:31 AM

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I've tried to build teams without it and they all kinda just lose to ferro

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:31 AM

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yea u just lose to ferro stack

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:31 AM

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there are going to be MUs where it just wont generate progress

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:32 AM

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well yes obviously

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But that doesn’t matter because it helps immensely with mus that are otherwise near unwinnable

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without it

pallid nimbus May 6, 2025, 2:33 AM

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paper notch there are going to be MUs where it just wont generate progress

Consistency is the purpose of mega sableye . It's not always going to generate progress but 9/10 it's a key team player

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:33 AM

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such as what other than knock ferro

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:33 AM

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Mmedi and it helps spinblock stuff like pagos / tusk so you keep up hazard chip

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It also is useful against future sight + fighting breaker stuff which is important to mention

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You will also see that every viable stall team that has been used in tournament has used msab

pallid nimbus May 6, 2025, 2:34 AM

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Great tusk dispite doing damn near 45% wants nothing to do with mega sableye in the long term.

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:34 AM

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with mega medi its spams ice p on u for chip + freeze phish and tusk's headlong is going to force recovers

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:34 AM

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????

pallid nimbus May 6, 2025, 2:35 AM

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Great tusk doesn't want to be burned...

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Like

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At all

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:35 AM

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its not staying in to click headlong

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:35 AM

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Mmedi does like 30 bro and it needs to raw ice punch into you to do anything

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That doesn’t force anything

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That’s like one of the hardest Mmedi counters in the game

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:36 AM

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it forces a recover every two ice punch

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:36 AM

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well if u just

pallid nimbus May 6, 2025, 2:36 AM

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Will-o-Wisp

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:36 AM

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Do nothing about the Mmedi in the process

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Then sure

pallid nimbus May 6, 2025, 2:36 AM

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Or just

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:36 AM

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But in game this is not happening at all

pallid nimbus May 6, 2025, 2:36 AM

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Have other team members

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:37 AM

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30% is not forcing out multiple recovers at once

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And when it needs to click very specific moves to do so

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:38 AM

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but in matchups where the medi can come in frequently like if its with a fini it will become a problem

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:38 AM

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…?

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That doesn’t make any sense

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it will never become a problem if ur a halfway decent player

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:38 AM

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do you want to discuss this more in a different chat?

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we're kinda flooding the rmt atp

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:39 AM

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No I don’t care enough atp

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:39 AM

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alright

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:39 AM

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But msab should always be on stall

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:39 AM

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im not saying that m sable shouldnt be used on stall i just dont think its as mandatory as ur making it out to be

pallid nimbus May 6, 2025, 2:40 AM

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I spam boots because of stuff like diancie and hsamu

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:40 AM

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i have had my fair share of experience running stall on the ladder and have played vs a fair share of stall as well

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from my experience ppl have started to move away from m sable on stall

merry delta May 6, 2025, 2:41 AM

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Well no they haven’t

paper notch May 6, 2025, 2:41 AM

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for boots spam + clef and/or glisc

pallid nimbus May 6, 2025, 2:41 AM

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My team taking chip consistently isn't really ideal for long-term.

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When everything is going to hit me for 25-30% plus rocks I'm not going to endure long term to reap my rewards from spikes/toxic chip.

proper yarrow May 6, 2025, 3:18 AM

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pallid nimbus I tried to build a solid team. If anyone may be able to give me guidance or sugg...

Wisp msab is so demonic

tender rover May 7, 2025, 5:00 AM

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https://pokepast.es/0b16e32b3f4993b2

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pale python May 8, 2025, 11:42 AM

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https://pokepast.es/b7ebf2e8000202da

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pale python May 8, 2025, 11:43 AM

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can I have some tips on this please

proper yarrow May 8, 2025, 12:55 PM

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Who's ur volt switch switch-in

next forge May 8, 2025, 3:39 PM

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more like where is ur tapu koko answer

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u need a ground type

pale python May 8, 2025, 6:47 PM

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what ground type would go best with the team

gray lake May 8, 2025, 6:50 PM

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@pale python I think the main thing with this is honestly just that some of the sets and pokemon are less effective in these roles than other options. Were u hoping for this to be an offensive team?

pale python May 8, 2025, 6:50 PM

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yeah

gray lake May 8, 2025, 6:50 PM

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were u building it around anything specific?

pale python May 8, 2025, 6:50 PM

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not really

gray lake May 8, 2025, 6:54 PM

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ok so what i would do is adjust the zamazenta set to be heavy duty boots aoa, idpress is very fishy and not very good in natdex right now. I also dont think sd ceruledge or that greninja set are very effective at all right now, so replacing one of those with a ground type would be ideal. spdef chomp looks like a good choice as it gives u insurance vs volcarona and mega charizard y while also setting stealth rock so u can free up a moveslot for 4a mega diancie, which is much more dangerous. other replacement needs to be a second steel type since kartana doesnt really function as a steel defensively, gholdengo could be a good choice to help deny defog and keep tapu lele in check

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also torn-t should a bulky ev spread imo

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ting-lu over chomp would be an option if u want a better ghold mu but it makes ur volc and yard mus significantly worse

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 6:08 AM

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https://pokepast.es/a3fad7be57adfa87 sd scale chomp+hsamu as like a breaker+sweeper thing

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proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 6:42 AM

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I forgot dgleam

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 2:56 PM

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Is the team that bad lol

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 3:49 PM

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@limber crypt (just because it's in ur name, sorry if it bothered you )

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Also I'm thinking about putting a fighting move on Scizor over knock on this team

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https://pokepast.es/69d061640fb0749f

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proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 3:57 PM

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Even tho gambit hasnt been much of an issue thus far it does put me in a few awkward positions

gray lake May 9, 2025, 4:23 PM

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proper yarrow https://pokepast.es/69d061640fb0749f

I feel like this puts a ton of stress on offensive pokes without recovery (chomp and waterpon) to check stuff, especially since waterpon is ur only water resist

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yard volcarona and opposing waterpon look challenging

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u could try making garchomp dragonite to help out vs the aforementioned three

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 4:24 PM

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Haven't had too much of an issue with sun/fire types this far tbh

gray lake May 9, 2025, 4:24 PM

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and then making zapdos great tusk to give u further gambit checking

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 4:24 PM

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Makes sense

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 4:24 PM

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proper yarrow https://pokepast.es/a3fad7be57adfa87 sd scale chomp+hsamu as like a breaker+swee...

Also what about this

gray lake May 9, 2025, 4:25 PM

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i mean the fairy z tapu koko without a fairy type move is uh

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a bold strategy

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 4:25 PM

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gray lake i mean the fairy z tapu koko without a fairy type move is uh

Yea i changed that

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Other than that

gray lake May 9, 2025, 4:26 PM

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what is it now

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 4:26 PM

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Dgleam>hp ice

gray lake May 9, 2025, 4:26 PM

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ok

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idk it looks decent i would probably just make moltres faster so it outruns bulky ghold which could give u issues otherwise

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 4:28 PM

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Ok

gray lake May 9, 2025, 4:28 PM

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this is gonna sound dumb but you could also consider brave bird on moltres so u dont lose to subswarm volc like immediately

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 4:28 PM

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Oh lol

gray lake May 9, 2025, 4:28 PM

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idk how concerned u are about that set but it does kinda 6-0 this

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although its pretty uncommon outside of tours

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 4:29 PM

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Yea I'm just trying to make a solid team to get me as high as my skill can get me

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I'm trying to make like atleast 5 teams and then pick from them

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This is the 4th

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 4:30 PM

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gray lake idk how concerned u are about that set but it does kinda 6-0 this

Do I do it over fthrower

gray lake May 9, 2025, 4:30 PM

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wisp probably

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 4:30 PM

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I kinda need wisp so that moon just doesn't knock me for nothing

gray lake May 9, 2025, 4:30 PM

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standard moltres set is fire move/uturn/filler for what u want to to focus on beating/roost

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 4:31 PM

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I'll try it out tho

gray lake May 9, 2025, 4:31 PM

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ig but molt is a very shakey moon answer anyway

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 4:31 PM

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Ok

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There's no tera fairy, makes sense

gray lake May 9, 2025, 4:31 PM

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u would probably be better off making koko shuca berry if u wanted to secure ur moon mu

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or air balloon ig

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 4:32 PM

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I'll try that out too

gray lake May 9, 2025, 4:32 PM

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and keep tera shell intact

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 4:32 PM

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👍

gray lake May 9, 2025, 4:32 PM

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prolly still shakey but rmoon does that sometimes

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at a certain point teams without a fat fairy just gotta outplay him

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 4:33 PM

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(shouldn't hv unbanned it imo but that's beside the point)

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 4:33 PM

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gray lake at a certain point teams without a fat fairy just gotta outplay him

Yes

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Alr then

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Ty for advice 🙏🙏

gray lake May 9, 2025, 4:33 PM

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ye

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 5:38 PM

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gray lake u could try making garchomp dragonite to help out vs the aforementioned three

i forgot to ask which set

gray lake May 9, 2025, 6:48 PM

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one of the roost variants

proper yarrow May 9, 2025, 6:52 PM

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ok

tender rover May 10, 2025, 9:18 AM

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https://pokepast.es/a543f5c4246711b2

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proper yarrow May 10, 2025, 9:27 AM

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Whats the pech for

limber crypt May 10, 2025, 11:55 AM

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tender rover https://pokepast.es/a543f5c4246711b2

not fully aware of hlilli’s game but i dont think fully banking on sun to be up when yard only gives sun for 5 turns is good, id drop it for gambit, id also do cm bolt and pivot pech personally

tender rover May 10, 2025, 4:46 PM

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limber crypt not fully aware of hlilli’s game but i dont think fully banking on sun to be up ...

will try that merci

ashen bear May 10, 2025, 10:00 PM

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proper yarrow Whats the pech for

Prob for diancie

cobalt skiff May 10, 2025, 10:07 PM

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https://pokepast.es/10e231417e841b9d

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tender rover May 11, 2025, 6:28 AM

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https://pokepast.es/51dd5d1ee6bc270a

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robust vine May 11, 2025, 8:56 PM

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tender rover will try that merci

T’es français gros ?

tender rover May 12, 2025, 3:06 AM

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robust vine T’es français gros ?

non, je ne suis pas francais

tender rover May 12, 2025, 5:48 AM

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https://pokepast.es/1496316b80e84397

celest merlinBOT May 12, 2025, 5:48 AM

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rapid rain May 12, 2025, 6:22 AM

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https://pokepast.es/f3a21173f676a3dc

quartz holly May 12, 2025, 8:27 AM

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tender rover https://pokepast.es/1496316b80e84397

Not a big fan of adamant attack booster tusk with no speed

lethal token May 12, 2025, 3:34 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e08efe226c488a38

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potent furnace May 12, 2025, 3:37 PM

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team is in desperate need of a water resist

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meloetta also does nothing

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pagos should always be HDB chesto isn’t worth

lethal token May 12, 2025, 6:25 PM

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potent furnace meloetta also does nothing

WDYM NOTHING SHE IS DA GOAT

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underrated as hell mon

potent furnace May 12, 2025, 6:25 PM

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you just get toxiced by glisc and die

lethal token May 12, 2025, 6:25 PM

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i noticed that a lot of ppl dont even know abt the fact that it can switch it typing by relic song

proper yarrow May 12, 2025, 6:26 PM

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worrywhirl

lethal token May 12, 2025, 6:26 PM

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gliscor aint gonna survive without spdef build which isnt that often used tbh

potent furnace May 12, 2025, 6:28 PM

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you don’t really counterlead anything atm either

proper yarrow May 12, 2025, 6:28 PM

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meloeta is unviable

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its unranked in the vr

potent furnace May 12, 2025, 6:29 PM

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lando just u turns glisc toxics

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you kind of beat mdia?

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z celebrate mons just r not good though

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victini is the best one but that’s only because you’ve got a million coverage options

lethal token May 12, 2025, 6:32 PM

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what abt armorouge

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i mean

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its possible to use z-celebrate +stored power on him

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should be pretty nice to have 140 power move

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+stab and 1.5x from stat boost

potent furnace May 12, 2025, 6:33 PM

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you just die before you set up

lethal token May 12, 2025, 6:33 PM

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potent furnace you just die before you set up

still will try it

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what if smth like this

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https://pokepast.es/2f8010ef111c62b8

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if i use z-celebrate when oponent got weak to fire mon

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then i could pull this off

lethal token May 12, 2025, 6:40 PM

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potent furnace you just die before you set up

worked out 3 times in a row

potent furnace May 12, 2025, 6:44 PM

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what elo are you at right now

tender rover May 12, 2025, 6:53 PM

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quartz holly Not a big fan of adamant attack booster tusk with no speed

yea your right thought id try somethn different but teams been working great for me

quartz holly May 12, 2025, 6:55 PM

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tender rover yea your right thought id try somethn different but teams been working great for...

wait so did adamant attack booster tusk with no speed work or not lol

potent furnace May 12, 2025, 6:59 PM

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atk booster tusk is a real thing ive seen on some ho squads but you NEED that max spe

quartz holly May 12, 2025, 7:19 PM

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potent furnace atk booster tusk is a real thing ive seen on some ho squads but you NEED that ma...

yeah

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what is yr tusk doing wihtout max speed

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like genuinely

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gholdengo comes in and make it rains or dazzling gleam or smth yr tusk

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raging bolt comes in and draco meteors it

proper yarrow May 12, 2025, 8:27 PM

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https://pokepast.es/09160f02ff2fb20f gmcat

potent furnace May 12, 2025, 9:58 PM

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zama over shifu

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wellspring is spooky into this but zama helps a lot

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just boots 4a or idbp take ur pick honestly

gray lake May 12, 2025, 10:35 PM

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small optimization but run spdef on moltres imo

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since its your primary answer to yard/volc/ghold on this

cobalt skiff May 13, 2025, 12:16 AM

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Can someone tell me whats wrong with my team, it doesn't seem to be working :( https://pokepast.es/10e231417e841b9d

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mortal gorge May 13, 2025, 12:22 AM

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https://pokepast.es/c9d6a52c83e3498f

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Mlop hazard stack, looking for advice

potent furnace May 13, 2025, 12:31 AM

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this doesnt really look like an mlop team

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imo you want lando over glisc here

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and then like mdia over mlop

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also drop kyu for some speed control

vague hemlock May 13, 2025, 12:48 AM

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cobalt skiff Can someone tell me whats wrong with my team, it doesn't seem to be working :( h...

There is actually quite a bit wrong random blaziken for one with a kinda odd set.

While the mega diancie and Z-dnite core make sense it’s more commonly seen on more offensive structures like hyper offense.
Samurott Hisui also kinda had a weird set.

To sum it up I do not see a clear idea behind this team so that makes it difficult to rate properly

hazy quiver May 13, 2025, 1:20 AM

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guys can i show of nat dex doubles teams here

eager drum May 13, 2025, 1:21 AM

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#1060037469472555028

mortal gorge May 13, 2025, 2:29 AM

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potent furnace also drop kyu for some speed control

What would you reccomend?

potent furnace May 13, 2025, 2:31 AM

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idbp zama could work well as a wincon especially if you go mega tios over mlop here

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also make lando rocks and ferro spikes ofc

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between spikes + mega tios you put a lot of pressure on ghold and since most are ghost Z atm you can break past it

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luster/ice beam/mystical/roost imo

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tios/ferro is also really good into wellspring atm

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and lando means you can beat rmoon

mortal gorge May 13, 2025, 2:35 AM

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potent furnace idbp zama could work well as a wincon especially if you go mega tios over mlop h...

Would you reccomend IronPress or all-out?

potent furnace May 13, 2025, 2:44 AM

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idbp

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you need some way to close out games

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should be able to spikestack through ghold

robust vine May 13, 2025, 4:03 PM

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Some good player balance can come mp plz ?

proper yarrow May 13, 2025, 4:36 PM

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robust vine Some good player balance can come mp plz ?

Just snag the glisc ferro pex team

robust vine May 14, 2025, 8:05 AM

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proper yarrow Just snag the glisc ferro pex team

?

harsh hemlock May 14, 2025, 8:24 AM

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https://pokepast.es/170f90e144fd425d
trying to build volt turn, not sure if i should be running more boots or maybe change the defogger from molt to something else

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next forge May 14, 2025, 9:11 AM

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harsh hemlock https://pokepast.es/170f90e144fd425d trying to build volt turn, not sure if i sh...

Swap out knock off on lando for defog, swap out defog on moltrres for either toxic or hurricane, swap out urshifu-r for a dragon type (probably roaring moon, kyurem or kommo-o)

hollow fern May 14, 2025, 1:42 PM

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robust vine ?

It's a sample team

proper yarrow May 14, 2025, 2:01 PM

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https://pokepast.es/b2682e55bb9613d3 nicecat nicecat

potent furnace May 14, 2025, 2:06 PM

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little wellspring weak but this looks fine

proper yarrow May 14, 2025, 2:07 PM

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I'm relying on zama+zap+samu+potentially chomp

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For wellspring

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Also uh

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Knock on samu

robust vine May 14, 2025, 2:15 PM

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hollow fern It's a sample team

For have Sample yeah

tender rover May 15, 2025, 5:35 AM

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https://pokepast.es/b76f998b8fca1bd7 lopunny
https://pokepast.es/d8a04a4b50a3bce0 medi

celest merlinBOT May 15, 2025, 5:35 AM

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proper yarrow May 15, 2025, 5:58 AM

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tender rover https://pokepast.es/b76f998b8fca1bd7 lopunny https://pokepast.es/d8a04a4b50a3bce...

Maybe you can add molt/volc over shifu ? Otherwise val just cooks this

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Idk tho im not qualified

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Or zama ig

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But then wellspring

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Idk

gray lake May 15, 2025, 3:11 PM

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tender rover https://pokepast.es/b76f998b8fca1bd7 lopunny https://pokepast.es/d8a04a4b50a3bce...

both of these feel pretty flawed to me, the lopunny one has multiple fast fighting types that all fill the same role and leave the team rly struggling to switch into a lot of stuff, lop does best with a decent core behind it and other slower wallbreakers that it can support, so I would ditch the other fighting types almost entirely. The mmedi one has some potential but offenses with little defensive utility like this really struggle in the meta right now because of how many fast, strong threats can end games vs teams like this if you get one turn wrong. what you could do with the medi one is make weavile pursuit to pressure ghold, make tusk specially defensive garchomp, and then make gyarados something like tornadus-t. wouldnt fix it entirely but it would get it on the right track

tame glen May 15, 2025, 5:09 PM

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tender rover https://pokepast.es/b76f998b8fca1bd7 lopunny https://pokepast.es/d8a04a4b50a3bce...

also not too qualified but psychic terrain with 2 priority users feels wrong, at least sub out bullet punch for some coverage imo

proper yarrow May 15, 2025, 6:26 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c41df74d25d6a460 pluh

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tender rover May 15, 2025, 8:54 PM

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appreciate thee analysis yall will take both to the lab brew something better

vague hemlock May 15, 2025, 10:26 PM

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proper yarrow https://pokepast.es/c41df74d25d6a460 <:pluh:1160087426589540352>

Me thinks this chomp should be spdef bit if you are building around sd chomp I highly suggest you use a back up zard check. ( please inform me what your idea is behind the build)

If you decide to go that route I suggest running a taunt + toxic variant of Tran. ( you need someway of punishing fat)
Optional but me thinks you can do torn > zap

fossil beacon May 15, 2025, 11:19 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6cd47b04fe52e482 need some help as idk how to deal with mega scizor

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i also want to fit stealth rock on gliscor as its supposed to be a hazard stack team

gray lake May 16, 2025, 12:13 AM

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fossil beacon https://pokepast.es/6cd47b04fe52e482 need some help as idk how to deal with mega...

odd one out here is definitely hamurott, have you considered replacing it with spdef heatran? would let you run spikes on glisc, deal with mega scizor, and take pressure off of offensive ghold to take hits

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couple other things, not sure you need scarf ghold here, i think a recover set with a z move would make more sense. you could also do boots weavile since this would remove your main hazard removal

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actually ngl maybe replacing ghold with heatran is the way to go here

fossil beacon May 16, 2025, 12:34 AM

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gray lake actually ngl maybe replacing ghold with heatran is the way to go here

i sorta want ghold to block spin and defog

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should i just spam hdb to open up defog from my gliscor

gray lake May 16, 2025, 12:41 AM

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thats another option

brittle sentinel May 16, 2025, 1:56 AM

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https://pokepast.es/0954976471960ecb any thoughts?

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potent furnace May 16, 2025, 1:58 AM

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rilla isn’t doing anything

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mega tios over rilla

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and like

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av alo over gking

fossil beacon May 16, 2025, 2:05 AM

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fossil beacon https://pokepast.es/6cd47b04fe52e482 need some help as idk how to deal with mega...

i think i just cut hamurott and put spikes on gliscor then

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and get something to set rocks and deal with steel types

potent furnace May 16, 2025, 2:24 AM

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garchomp

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also cc over hjk on mlop

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hjk is super ass

fossil beacon May 16, 2025, 2:51 AM

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alright

proper yarrow May 16, 2025, 3:52 AM

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vague hemlock Me thinks this chomp should be spdef bit if you are building around sd chomp I h...

The basic idea is wellspring breaking through/chipping chomp annoyances like metal birds, lando, tusk for chomp to then sweep later

green storm May 16, 2025, 9:05 AM

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I need some team advice
I do want to keep empoleon, feel free to cut anyone else
https://pokepast.es/cabf9c5006d9527e

celest merlinBOT May 16, 2025, 9:05 AM

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next forge May 16, 2025, 9:32 AM

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Empoleon is unviable

green storm May 16, 2025, 9:34 AM

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What do I do if I want to run him though? He is my favorite and while I understand it won't be a very strong team, I need help with something that will mesh well, if you get what I mean

next forge May 16, 2025, 9:38 AM

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U neeeed to play a different tier where its actually good

proper yarrow May 16, 2025, 9:53 AM

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green storm What do I do if I want to run him though? He is my favorite and while I understa...

play sv ru

green storm May 16, 2025, 10:15 AM

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Is the setup of the team good?

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Like mons wise and move wise

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Because i tried to validate the team for ru and it's not usable

acoustic ermine May 16, 2025, 12:21 PM

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Yeah so you’d have to change the team to make it viable for RU

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Because the team isn’t at all viable for OU

proper yarrow May 16, 2025, 2:29 PM

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green storm Because i tried to validate the team for ru and it's not usable

Only if chomp was in ru sorrypartner

lyric kindle May 17, 2025, 2:21 AM

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https://pokepast.es/7060d15f97165d30

celest merlinBOT May 17, 2025, 2:21 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

lyric kindle May 17, 2025, 2:22 AM

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lyric kindle https://pokepast.es/7060d15f97165d30

The team is seems pretty fine as is but I feel like it can be optimized some more but can’t tell what direction to take with it

potent furnace May 17, 2025, 2:23 AM

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gking over slowking

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you want the fairy resist

lyric kindle May 17, 2025, 2:23 AM

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True

potent furnace May 17, 2025, 2:24 AM

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other than that this is fine

lyric kindle May 17, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Thatd actually help a lot

potent furnace May 17, 2025, 2:24 AM

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also ferro over melm

lyric kindle May 17, 2025, 2:25 AM

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I was thinking that but I really don’t wanna give up Mel lol

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I’ll just make it a separate team

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Wait if I use ferro shouldn’t I keep regular slowking for fire res?

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Bc ferro would be a genuine fairy wall vs mel who kinda isn’t

potent furnace May 17, 2025, 2:45 AM

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ferro is more for the lele mu

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and also pon is a little spooky

lyric kindle May 17, 2025, 3:05 AM

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Tru tru

proper yarrow May 17, 2025, 5:47 AM

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https://pokepast.es/88e00f0e0e7233c6 nicecat lalalalalalala

solar valley May 17, 2025, 2:42 PM

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https://pokepast.es/dac123efe94151db
Idk what to put for the 6th spot,is volcarona good?

celest merlinBOT May 17, 2025, 2:42 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

potent furnace May 17, 2025, 2:52 PM

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zama over shifu

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lando over volc

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boots zama probably best

proper yarrow May 17, 2025, 3:51 PM

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proper yarrow https://pokepast.es/88e00f0e0e7233c6 <:nicecat:740978278055280722> <:lalalalalal...

lalalalalalala

proper yarrow May 18, 2025, 8:55 AM

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https://pokepast.es/5b1975804fca29c9 theres also this version ig

celest merlinBOT May 18, 2025, 8:55 AM

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solar valley May 18, 2025, 11:00 AM

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potent furnace zama over shifu

im struggling over fire types rn, is lando and stone edge zama enough?

vague hemlock May 18, 2025, 11:22 AM

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proper yarrow https://pokepast.es/5b1975804fca29c9 theres also this version ig

Ngl I’m not really a fan of scale shot chomp here as this leaves you wide open vs zard teams. But I will say Slowking Galar > pecha this helps gives you breaking opportunities vs bulky structures because as of this moment they can run circles around you. Zama should also be boots in my opinion band is way too easy to pivot around. Lastly that Zapdos needs a pivot move volt > thunder bolt

proper yarrow May 18, 2025, 12:02 PM

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vague hemlock Ngl I’m not really a fan of scale shot chomp here as this leaves you wide open v...

very well, i already hv such a team, tysm

vague hemlock May 18, 2025, 12:27 PM

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Anytime

cobalt skiff May 18, 2025, 3:06 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5ce93c723209fa05 tbh I’m happy to change anything abt this team that you recommend other than the mons bc I specifically rlly wanna use them all on a team :p

celest merlinBOT May 18, 2025, 3:06 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

cobalt skiff May 18, 2025, 3:07 PM

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Looking forward to hearing what y’all think I should change

next forge May 18, 2025, 3:25 PM

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cobalt skiff https://pokepast.es/5ce93c723209fa05 tbh I’m happy to change anything abt this t...

all of the pokemon here are unviable

vague hemlock May 18, 2025, 3:29 PM

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^

cobalt skiff May 18, 2025, 3:30 PM

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: (

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What about for UU?

merry delta May 18, 2025, 3:31 PM

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same thing

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let me try to fix this up

next forge May 18, 2025, 3:31 PM

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cobalt skiff What about for UU?

swampert krook and (i think) crobat are viable in ndru

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so this team is salvagable there

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((i think))

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but for ndou and nduu nah this is just bad

cobalt skiff May 18, 2025, 3:32 PM

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Oki

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I see

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Would I be able to use everyone still in ru?

next forge May 18, 2025, 3:33 PM

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ye

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theyre all ranked ndru

cobalt skiff May 18, 2025, 3:34 PM

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Cool

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What is that, like the third tier of Nat dex?

next forge May 18, 2025, 3:35 PM

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the lowest official natdex tier ye

cobalt skiff May 18, 2025, 3:36 PM

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Hey I can’t see RU on showdown for national dex tho?

next forge May 18, 2025, 3:36 PM

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cobalt skiff Hey I can’t see RU on showdown for national dex tho?

idt it has a ladder

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it has a server tho

celest merlinBOT May 18, 2025, 3:37 PM

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National Dex RU (Gen 9)

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

cobalt skiff May 18, 2025, 3:38 PM

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next forge idt it has a ladder

Yeah like I can’t acc access it on the main website I think

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Would I even be able to properly play then if it doesn’t have a ladder?

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Tbh I’m fine just doing rando battles unranked in that format if that were the case

next forge May 18, 2025, 3:39 PM

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cobalt skiff Would I even be able to properly play then if it doesn’t have a ladder?

people can directly challenge u

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u just cant play against random ppl on ladder

cobalt skiff May 18, 2025, 3:40 PM

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I see right

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Would you even get a game often tho?

next forge May 18, 2025, 3:41 PM

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not sure

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i dont play ndru

cobalt skiff May 18, 2025, 3:41 PM

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Fair

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I’ll check it out then ig

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Would they be able to help with team building on their server?

next forge May 18, 2025, 3:41 PM

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ye

cobalt skiff May 18, 2025, 3:41 PM

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Cool

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I’ll check it out then

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Thx!

proper yarrow May 18, 2025, 3:53 PM

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next forge swampert krook and (i think) crobat are viable in ndru

theyre actually pretty good rn

crimson flume May 19, 2025, 9:52 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e643429b12fdf350 been running this team, no tera is a breath of fresh air

celest merlinBOT May 19, 2025, 9:52 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

crimson flume May 19, 2025, 9:52 PM

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been having a lot of success with it

limber crypt May 19, 2025, 10:53 PM

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crimson flume https://pokepast.es/e643429b12fdf350 been running this team, no tera is a breath...

has this struggled with anything in particular? It seems a bit all over the place

crimson flume May 19, 2025, 10:53 PM

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not really

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i just changed it to have defog

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https://pokepast.es/9e827dda685671d9

ancient matrix May 19, 2025, 11:52 PM

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Maybe Taxle mlop so you have a reliable way of killing gliscor

fossil beacon May 20, 2025, 8:48 AM

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limber crypt has this struggled with anything in particular? It seems a bit all over the plac...

i see the vision lowkey

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its got a bit of a hazard stack thing going

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with whirlwind ting lu and mega lop

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pivot with lando

tame glen May 20, 2025, 9:15 AM

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crimson flume https://pokepast.es/9e827dda685671d9

Yea axel lop is generally better imo but in your case gliscor is annoying into everything so it's even better, also me personally i would run z moon to get in n out more comfortably and possibly psyshock lele over eball

harsh hemlock May 20, 2025, 4:19 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c44fe9b4943c3f47

celest merlinBOT May 20, 2025, 4:20 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

slim venture May 20, 2025, 9:02 PM

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https://pokepast.es/1a90cedb2d637d18 I've gone 6-0 with this team so far and I've been having a lot of fun using it,

Unfortunately, Roaring Moon hasn't come out the Pokeball a single time and I was wondering if something would be better off in its slot

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I haven't noticed any particularly bad matchups yet but presumably that last slot would be there to help patch up some stuff

potent furnace May 21, 2025, 2:33 AM

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slim venture https://pokepast.es/1a90cedb2d637d18 I've gone 6-0 with this team so far and I'v...

this is a terapagos team

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that over tusk

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you also definitely want some speed control so boots zama over moon here looks good as well

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helps into wellspring

slim venture May 21, 2025, 2:35 AM

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alr, thanks for the advice 👍🏽

lethal token May 21, 2025, 7:51 AM

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solar valley https://pokepast.es/dac123efe94151db Idk what to put for the 6th spot,is volcaro...

Why two scarfs 😭🙏

half storm May 22, 2025, 9:56 PM

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https://pokepast.es/3682a1b1981e6f61 Can anyone help me to improve this team? Without removing Victini

celest merlinBOT May 22, 2025, 9:56 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gray lake May 22, 2025, 10:01 PM

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half storm https://pokepast.es/3682a1b1981e6f61 Can anyone help me to improve this team? Wi...

I actually quite like the overall structure of this, although there are a couple things I would change. You are very weak to Roaring moon as it stands so replacing tapu Koko with clefable would not only give you a rmoon answer but also give you a mon that sets stealth rock, which is always a nice benefit. This also lets you move the z move over to gholdengo, who generally really appreciates access to ghost z. Just a couple of moveset specific things, gliscor generally wants earthquake so it can actually try to check ghold and u can also run u-turn on defog sets over toxic if u want. also power whip on waterpon over horn leech and ice spinner over dwb on dragonite are generally preferred movesets but thats more up to you

half storm May 22, 2025, 10:01 PM

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https://pokepast.es/3682a1b1981e6f61 Can anyone help me to improve this team? Without removing Victini

gray lake May 22, 2025, 10:03 PM

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see above

raw sandal May 22, 2025, 10:13 PM

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Heya, I am in a draft league and these are the picks i ended up with:
Roaring Moon, Tapu Lele, Terapagos, Diancie, Melmetal, Thundurus-Therian, Hydreigon, Skarmory, and Mamoswine.
Would someone be able to help me structure a good team or an idea of what the best 6 would be and i can figure out the sets?

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this is what i currently have

potent furnace May 22, 2025, 10:21 PM

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this isn't the place for draft league help

raw sandal May 22, 2025, 10:23 PM

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potent furnace this isn't the place for draft league help

sorry, where would that be?

potent furnace May 22, 2025, 10:25 PM

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raw sandal sorry, where would that be?

#1320229793270337536 message

raw sandal May 22, 2025, 10:25 PM

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Thanks!

potent furnace May 22, 2025, 10:25 PM

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np

nova arrow May 23, 2025, 2:37 AM

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https://pokepast.es/4fcb6d2cafa205aa
I suck at teambuilding pls help - I wanna keep zard-Y, Tusk, and Meowscarada but i feel like the others are partly redundant with eachother and their coverage/use

tame glen May 23, 2025, 12:15 PM

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nova arrow https://pokepast.es/4fcb6d2cafa205aa I suck at teambuilding pls help - I wanna k...

how about boots on tusk to spin more easily, scarf on either meow or heatran for better speed control, and weather ball on greninja over shuriken? that move in sun does like 0 to most mons even with life orb, if you're planning to use it outside of sun you're kinda sabotaging yourself by playing with 5 pokemon while charizard is alive and still 5 pokemon after it dies

nova arrow May 23, 2025, 7:35 PM

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ty

proper yarrow May 24, 2025, 1:39 AM

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https://pokepast.es/9a9e3c89021d9fc1 concern

celest merlinBOT May 24, 2025, 1:39 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

crimson flume May 24, 2025, 1:43 AM

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proper yarrow https://pokepast.es/9a9e3c89021d9fc1 <:concern:1174737662947622953>

thats a lot of outrage

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dont you give val a free switch in to set up

proper yarrow May 24, 2025, 4:11 AM

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crimson flume dont you give val a free switch in to set up

Wdym

crimson flume May 24, 2025, 4:12 AM

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outrage locks you into a dragon move and you cant switch

proper yarrow May 24, 2025, 4:13 AM

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Duh

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But I have a ghold and a volc lol

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Val shouldn't be an issue

proper yarrow May 24, 2025, 5:14 AM

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Anyone else?

cunning nacelle May 24, 2025, 1:45 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d40c1319648a5ee1

celest merlinBOT May 24, 2025, 1:45 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vague hemlock May 24, 2025, 10:54 PM

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This team doesn’t seem to have any clear direction especially with having multiple mons below B rank that requires support a notable example skeledirge

unkempt stump May 25, 2025, 6:18 AM

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https://pokepast.es/2b31f620a68f1be2

I suck at teambuilding pls help, I wanna keep serperior and ribombee because I want to make a team of Hyperoffense sticky web, but the rest of the team feels inconsistent

celest merlinBOT May 25, 2025, 6:18 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

unkempt stump May 25, 2025, 9:42 PM

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unkempt stump https://pokepast.es/2b31f620a68f1be2 I suck at teambuilding pls help, I wanna k...

concern

amber ice May 25, 2025, 11:07 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ad552410e8e5a661

celest merlinBOT May 25, 2025, 11:07 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

amber ice May 25, 2025, 11:08 PM

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my weird attempt at a bulky offense

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my boyfriend likes mimikyu so i thought itd be nice to build a team around it

pallid nimbus May 26, 2025, 6:49 AM

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https://pokepast.es/10fd189337aad6d8

celest merlinBOT May 26, 2025, 6:49 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

pallid nimbus May 26, 2025, 6:50 AM

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Is there any way I can improve this build?

pallid nimbus May 26, 2025, 11:55 AM

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https://pokepast.es/667f6a9b6bcd54be

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I've played on ladder for a bit and I've come to these adjustments. I'm a little proud of myself for building something at least decent.

tame glen May 26, 2025, 4:56 PM

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i think there's no reason to run body press on dozo instead of liquidation/avalanche since you boost your attack anyways with curse so it just debilitates it against ghost types imo

amber ice May 26, 2025, 8:05 PM

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https://pokepast.es/0db90dd61871edee

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udpate

celest merlinBOT May 26, 2025, 8:05 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

amber ice May 26, 2025, 8:05 PM

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changed the mimikyu set

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tried to build around mimikyu into a bo team

rocky vessel May 27, 2025, 12:15 AM

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https://pokepast.es/69244e38420a6d16 natdex

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https://pokepast.es/b7ae3acafc21e79f

willow epoch May 27, 2025, 2:34 AM

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https://pokepast.es/1b086ec6a4ec1d9f

celest merlinBOT May 27, 2025, 2:34 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

amber ice May 27, 2025, 8:14 AM

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https://pokepast.es/c33f171eca149de4

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another attempt for a bo team with mimikyu

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https://pokepast.es/7ecbe756e90f578d

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second version

amber ice May 27, 2025, 11:39 AM

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https://pokepast.es/f946631800a1f367

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update

celest merlinBOT May 27, 2025, 11:39 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

amber ice May 28, 2025, 10:43 AM

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https://pokepast.es/7ac36c845df1b55e

celest merlinBOT May 28, 2025, 10:43 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

amber ice May 28, 2025, 10:43 AM

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ive abandoned mimikyu

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Bulky Offense

proper yarrow May 28, 2025, 4:32 PM

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https://pokepast.es/35e60edeb1cd968e I might've over cooked here

proper yarrow May 29, 2025, 8:27 AM

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https://pokepast.es/5f1ab40cffe45da7

celest merlinBOT May 29, 2025, 8:27 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

iron tangle May 29, 2025, 9:31 AM

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https://pokepast.es/9673a198f2757384

limber crypt May 30, 2025, 3:05 AM

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proper yarrow https://pokepast.es/5f1ab40cffe45da7

Has this struggled with anything in particular? it seems solid

limber crypt May 30, 2025, 3:08 AM

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iron tangle https://pokepast.es/9673a198f2757384

I think tera and koko r kinda overlapping mlops role, so i think u can drop mlop for a diff physical breaker (waterpon is a personal recommendation), as well as run the glisc and bulky ghold from the analysis

iron tangle May 30, 2025, 3:09 AM

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limber crypt I think tera and koko r kinda overlapping mlops role, so i think u can drop mlop...

Aight aight

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Any other megas I could use?

limber crypt May 30, 2025, 3:10 AM

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Latios could be nice, team kinda struggles with waterpon

iron tangle May 30, 2025, 3:12 AM

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So drop mlop for wogerpon

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And tag out something for meglati

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How about swapping ghold for mega lati

proper yarrow May 30, 2025, 5:20 AM

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limber crypt Has this struggled with anything in particular? it seems solid

No, not yet anyways

proper yarrow May 30, 2025, 2:14 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5de87ecd2c03eee6

celest merlinBOT May 30, 2025, 2:15 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

limber crypt May 30, 2025, 4:30 PM

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iron tangle So drop mlop for wogerpon

no, drop mlop for mlati or woger

iron tangle May 30, 2025, 4:30 PM

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Aight

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What set on mlati

limber crypt May 30, 2025, 4:31 PM

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standard luster spher mfire roost should work

iron tangle May 30, 2025, 4:31 PM

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Uh huh sure sure

limber crypt May 30, 2025, 4:33 PM

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proper yarrow https://pokepast.es/5de87ecd2c03eee6

dont rly like exca here, zama is my usual speed control pick on these sorts of teams, sr mtar with sub chomp is also an option since i dont rly like dd mtar (unless its sub dd but that needs to be built around)

iron tangle May 30, 2025, 4:40 PM

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@limber crypt

https://pokepast.es/8445d2346bf2bf10

proper yarrow May 30, 2025, 4:42 PM

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limber crypt dont rly like exca here, zama is my usual speed control pick on these sorts of t...

Alr

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Makes sense

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I was kinda copying a garchomp sand team from sm

limber crypt May 30, 2025, 4:43 PM

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iron tangle <@324915094674997250> https://pokepast.es/8445d2346bf2bf10

ye i like this

iron tangle May 30, 2025, 4:43 PM

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Any major weaknesses you see?

limber crypt May 30, 2025, 4:43 PM

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proper yarrow I was kinda copying a garchomp sand team from sm

that could be worth exploring, i just dont find exca all that appealing in this meta

iron tangle May 30, 2025, 4:44 PM

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A little weak to pursuit in my opinion

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Molt physdef does help though

limber crypt May 30, 2025, 4:44 PM

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idts u can threaten most of the suitters, maybe weaviles annoying but u do have molt

iron tangle May 30, 2025, 4:45 PM

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Aight

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Imma playtest

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Ty

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First match and I see a mttar and kingambit team

gritty thicket May 30, 2025, 6:25 PM

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I have this uhm..funny ND OU team. It uses golisopod to keep up momentum, an example would be here.

https://pokepast.es/11e3c5132b2fe979

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2375260610

[Gen 9] National Dex: jj222222 vs. TikiTikiTa! - Replays - Pokémon...

Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between jj222222 and TikiTikiTa!! Format: [Gen 9] National Dex; Date: May 30, 2025

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@limber crypt

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Mixed weather is hilarious, but I feel like I should either learn into one of them or or replace a Mon like moon actually, I either need to modify its set or replace it entirely as the role it has on the team right now isn’t that good LOL.

next forge May 30, 2025, 6:38 PM

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mega charizard y + life orb golisopod without hazard removal 💔

gritty thicket May 30, 2025, 6:42 PM

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next forge mega charizard y + life orb golisopod without hazard removal 💔

CORRECT.

limber crypt May 30, 2025, 6:48 PM

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gritty thicket I have this uhm..funny ND OU team. It uses golisopod to keep up momentum, an exa...

~~I only rate serious teams~~
as mentioned theres no hazard removal but generally i think this team is all over the place

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Think u should really just start with golisopod as yard structures tend to be pretty linear, and golis does not fit on those teams

fossil beacon May 30, 2025, 7:04 PM

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https://pokepast.es/bb247cbd9994c7d5 is there a better way to remove hazards? its difficult to put defog on gliscor without feeling like i have to sacrifice something essential to my gameplan

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do i just put boots on chomp and change protect to something else?

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i could change gholdengo to nasty plot too maybe

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and then put boots on it

iron wraith May 30, 2025, 7:32 PM

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https://pokepast.es/fcb7d6d5b259e16a

iron wraith May 30, 2025, 7:32 PM

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iron wraith https://pokepast.es/fcb7d6d5b259e16a

I do feel like i could have done better w this like urshifu r over samu h

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But how is it rn

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Also forgot 4 def evs on glowking blobpensive

limber crypt May 31, 2025, 1:49 AM

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fossil beacon https://pokepast.es/bb247cbd9994c7d5 is there a better way to remove hazards? it...

dropping one of the grounds for a pon check and mola for ur hazard removal could prob patch this up, im thinking rbolt > chomp and torn > alo but im not sure

limber crypt May 31, 2025, 1:50 AM

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iron wraith https://pokepast.es/fcb7d6d5b259e16a

What was this built around? Skarm is a weird addition but if u were going for chomp dia volc, there r some good ho structures with diavolc going around

iron wraith May 31, 2025, 6:46 AM

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limber crypt What was this built around? Skarm is a weird addition but if u were going for ch...

It was suppose to be a bo around dice chomp n volc. Had ferro over skarm before but since i didnt have any removal and a ground immunity i tried fitting skarm in the team. Still quite new to teambuilding so ion know if i made it bo or smth else

ornate prawn May 31, 2025, 3:51 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e3ff9daedeefc09b

celest merlinBOT May 31, 2025, 3:51 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

proper yarrow May 31, 2025, 4:12 PM

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5/6 mons are unviable and scarf heatran is bad

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U should use the samples

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Thread 'National Dex Sample Teams' https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/

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Resource - National Dex Sample Teams

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lethal token May 31, 2025, 4:41 PM

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proper yarrow 5/6 mons are unviable and scarf heatran is bad

yeah and why mega audino 😭 🙏

mortal gorge May 31, 2025, 7:03 PM

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https://pokepast.es/38223b206c42e74f

hollow fern May 31, 2025, 7:06 PM

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Since heatran has rocks you should make lando defog

mortal gorge May 31, 2025, 7:13 PM

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hollow fern Since heatran has rocks you should make lando defog

Fixed. Anything else?

fossil beacon May 31, 2025, 8:16 PM

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limber crypt dropping one of the grounds for a pon check and mola for ur hazard removal could...

thanks

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ill test it on ladder later today and see how it works

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alo really helps me get mega lop and weavile in to force switches

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maybe ill slide uturn on gliscor?

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ill see

fossil beacon May 31, 2025, 8:18 PM

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fossil beacon and then put boots on it

i tried the boots spam and it works fine but doesnt really feel optimal

tender rover May 31, 2025, 8:33 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e4f857e0e6f62c43

limber crypt May 31, 2025, 8:36 PM

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iron wraith It was suppose to be a bo around dice chomp n volc. Had ferro over skarm before ...

hmmm skarm is def not the ideal defogger then, bc theres already alot of offensive pressure i think going with corv > skarm is ideal and id drop hamu for some sort of speed control, ur offensive guys arent getting as much mileage from hazards for u to keep scarf hamu

cunning nacelle Jun 1, 2025, 7:32 AM

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https://pokepast.es/447c29cf40c659de

celest merlinBOT Jun 1, 2025, 7:32 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

cunning nacelle Jun 1, 2025, 7:32 AM

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gholdengo feels like it's a wasted slot

proper yarrow Jun 1, 2025, 7:37 AM

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cunning nacelle https://pokepast.es/447c29cf40c659de

Xard and cm lele might work, but these guys probably hv a better advice

iron tangle Jun 1, 2025, 7:57 AM

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https://pokepast.es/c53165809c838ac9

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Koko+ival breaker combo, Pursuit support from ttar which helps against opposing weather matchups, defensive pivot core in alo and molt with fast taunt lando lead

proper yarrow Jun 1, 2025, 8:00 AM

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Also this, my take on zama screens https://pokepast.es/7153ba6b437f7124

iron wraith Jun 1, 2025, 9:07 AM

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limber crypt hmmm skarm is def not the ideal defogger then, bc theres already alot of offensi...

So defog corv over skarm n smth like scarf urshifu or zamazenta over h sam right?

paper sable Jun 1, 2025, 9:54 AM

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https://pokepast.es/9ade0bb5fbea7bef cb zama mega ttar team i built not really tested it majorly yet just wanted to see if there were any large problems with it

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the volc set i need to change

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maybe]

tame galleon Jun 1, 2025, 10:03 AM

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https://pokepast.es/1017e9db88e346c6

can someone tell me what did I cook wrong (besides sigilyph)

proper yarrow Jun 1, 2025, 10:06 AM

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Weavile should be knock suit over pjab throat chop

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