NatDex OU Rates | Smogon | Page 25

vague hemlock Mar 25, 2025, 6:33 PM

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I don’t recommend cm here

runic wasp Mar 25, 2025, 6:33 PM

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I see

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Thanks

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For the tips

vague hemlock Mar 25, 2025, 6:33 PM

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Boots just give you more longevity

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And np

runic wasp Mar 25, 2025, 6:33 PM

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I like protect on Ferro cause of hidden power

vague hemlock Mar 25, 2025, 6:33 PM

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You can make ferro rocks actually

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Make Lando fully bulky with Defog lefties

runic wasp Mar 25, 2025, 6:34 PM

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vague hemlock Make Lando fully bulky with Defog lefties

Alright

vague hemlock Mar 25, 2025, 6:34 PM

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252/252/4 bold

runic wasp Mar 25, 2025, 6:34 PM

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Max ho max def

vague hemlock Mar 25, 2025, 6:34 PM

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Ya

runic wasp Mar 25, 2025, 6:34 PM

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Right

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-atck M

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?

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Why

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Special lando ?

vague hemlock Mar 25, 2025, 6:35 PM

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Slowbro @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
Relaxed Nature

Body Press
Future Sight
Teleport
Slack Off

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This slowbro set

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Not bold mb

runic wasp Mar 25, 2025, 6:35 PM

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Slack off + regenerator is overkill

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Imo

vague hemlock Mar 25, 2025, 6:35 PM

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Impish

runic wasp Mar 25, 2025, 6:36 PM

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Scald is so spamable

vague hemlock Mar 25, 2025, 6:36 PM

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In this tier I think slow bro wants slack to fend off other physical attackers like mega medi, opposing lop, and great tusk

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I’ll let you use your discretion though

runic wasp Mar 25, 2025, 6:36 PM

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What about special

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Switch

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In

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Is Ferro enough

vague hemlock Mar 25, 2025, 6:37 PM

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Ferro sponges those yes

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Like lele opposing bolt etc

runic wasp Mar 25, 2025, 6:37 PM

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And for zard bolt

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Will switch

vague hemlock Mar 25, 2025, 6:37 PM

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Yup

runic wasp Mar 25, 2025, 6:37 PM

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Right

vague hemlock Mar 25, 2025, 6:38 PM

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Play smart tho and use your discretion cause some weirdos keep zard in LOL

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The best thing tho is

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Getting up rocks as quickly as possible

hard creek Mar 25, 2025, 8:08 PM

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https://pokepast.es/a5935e4e0aae2d49

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@vague hemlock @potent furnace

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Valiant MU kinda sucks actually

next forge Mar 25, 2025, 8:10 PM

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why rilla

vague hemlock Mar 25, 2025, 8:14 PM

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Ghold > melm drop rilla for like raging bolt or something (you get crushed by yard)

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If you wanna do the melm terrain thing it would probably be better on a non Xard team since you are trying to support it

potent furnace Mar 25, 2025, 8:16 PM

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lefties rilla too

hollow fern Mar 25, 2025, 10:46 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d26de8d9d67e32dd
Zama+fsight, moltres speed is to speed creep bulky ghold allowing you to switch in and use mystical fire to survive ghost z

vague hemlock Mar 26, 2025, 12:59 AM

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Really solid build

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Since you are running zama there isn’t really a need to run press bro

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So change it to standard

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You also don’t need slam on zama since you have ghold (you threaten clef and Val already) I suggest running ice fang so you can hit stuff like gliscor and lando. Every team should have one Mon with ice coverage in this meta tbh.

hollow fern Mar 26, 2025, 1:56 AM

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Alr ty

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I made bro body press mainly so it could more reliably get up future sights without getting pursuit trapped

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Even with that, do you think just standard bro is better?

vague hemlock Mar 26, 2025, 2:41 AM

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Ye I do

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More often than not you can click fs freely

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Esp vs stuff like tusk, pex, etc

latent lark Mar 26, 2025, 2:53 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1292040620646338570/1292040935865061376/Screenshot_20241005-042903.png?ex=67e463a4&is=67e31224&hm=d4e5fbe08adde8ee229c508f0cdf4dc3715c718d3bcbe2d567757773b7a7e3d7&

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(btw the whole point is to use mega latias but I'm still curious as to the best mega in the format anyway)

hollow fern Mar 26, 2025, 3:08 AM

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vague hemlock Ye I do

Alr

runic wasp Mar 26, 2025, 4:28 AM

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latent lark (btw the whole point is to use mega latias but I'm still curious as to the best ...

Lopunny or zard y

latent lark Mar 26, 2025, 4:28 AM

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That tracks

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See those two alot

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Lop is fairly annoying

runic wasp Mar 26, 2025, 4:29 AM

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Lopunny has the offensive stat of koraidon

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😭

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135/135

pallid saffron Mar 26, 2025, 4:41 AM

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anyone got cool mega latias/latios teams

runic wasp Mar 26, 2025, 4:50 AM

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https://pokepast.es/1e7181f91cd7be38

celest merlinBOT Mar 26, 2025, 4:50 AM

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runic wasp Mar 26, 2025, 4:50 AM

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@vague hemlock

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Do I not need a dark resist

vague hemlock Mar 26, 2025, 5:48 AM

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That’s why you have colbur bro

runic wasp Mar 26, 2025, 6:15 AM

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vague hemlock That’s why you have colbur bro

It's one time use tho

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What about other dark types like

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Moon

vague hemlock Mar 26, 2025, 12:40 PM

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You scout out scarf and you keep revenge killing with lop

latent lark Mar 26, 2025, 2:18 PM

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I should probably switch galv to life orb

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Nvm I alr did the screenshot is just that old

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1292040620646338570/1309582608803430511/Screenshot_20241121-145019.png?ex=67e4ec98&is=67e39b18&hm=5bfe60554df951e9e224067db564f93589bf5b986221206ad1777bdde94ab411&

latent lark Mar 26, 2025, 2:58 PM

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Are the main threats in natdex ou phys or spec.

gray lake Mar 26, 2025, 2:59 PM

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latent lark https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1292040620646338570/1309582608803430511...

dragapult is banned

latent lark Mar 26, 2025, 3:02 PM

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Oh

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Guess that happened when I wasn't existent

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Aw man what made him Uber

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cookie

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Any other good options for something fast?

gray lake Mar 26, 2025, 3:08 PM

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zamazenta and koko are fast enough to be non-scarf speed control on some teams

celest merlinBOT Mar 26, 2025, 4:08 PM

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pallid saffron Mar 26, 2025, 4:09 PM

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https://pokepast.es/4e43eef46ce373c2 thoughts?

heady girder Mar 26, 2025, 9:03 PM

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pallid saffron https://pokepast.es/4e43eef46ce373c2 thoughts?

decent concept but very weak into gliscor rn

pallid saffron Mar 26, 2025, 9:30 PM

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heady girder decent concept but very weak into gliscor rn

what could i change, this team is also pretty weak into rain

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mega swampert and barraskeda just click buttons against this team

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i wanna mainly patch my rain matchup

pallid saffron Mar 26, 2025, 9:32 PM

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heady girder decent concept but very weak into gliscor rn

i changed mystical fire into ice beam to nail lando t and gliscor which has helped against those a good bit

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https://pokepast.es/bdf42c7d2a62e19b

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i forgot to ev gholdengo lol

zinc sparrow Mar 26, 2025, 10:25 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ddd4d25b1e325160 here is a rain team foucsing on Mega Swampert. how good is it?

celest merlinBOT Mar 26, 2025, 10:25 PM

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potent furnace Mar 26, 2025, 10:26 PM

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roost on zapdos

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over u turn

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otherwise you're good

merry delta Mar 26, 2025, 10:27 PM

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Go jolly pert

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Consider chople berry on Ferrothorn to help with mlop and zama and even ival / lele sometimes

zinc sparrow Mar 26, 2025, 10:28 PM

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k, thx

merry delta Mar 26, 2025, 10:28 PM

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That’s usually what I run on rain, but it’s not neccessary

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I think u could also try stuff like twave and bpress on ferro if u wanted but those aren’t neccessary changes either

zinc sparrow Mar 26, 2025, 10:30 PM

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merry delta Consider chople berry on Ferrothorn to help with mlop and zama and even ival / l...

good idea, but when people see a ferro, they usually think fire type attacks

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but thx for the suggestion

merry delta Mar 26, 2025, 10:31 PM

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actually if u do go chople then twave is good to do

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yea people will use fire stuff on ferro but fightings are also threatening to it

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And most of your team doesn’t like when they get in

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so chople ferro (with twave) really limits their opportunities

zinc sparrow Mar 26, 2025, 10:34 PM

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merry delta so chople ferro (with twave) really limits their opportunities

ok, if I were to run that, what move should I replace with twave?

merry delta Mar 26, 2025, 10:34 PM

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prob like knock I would guess

zinc sparrow Mar 26, 2025, 10:35 PM

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k thx

merry delta Mar 26, 2025, 10:35 PM

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or u could try like

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Twave over pwhip I guess

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or u could do twave + bpress to force more damage onto ferro

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really depends

heady girder Mar 26, 2025, 11:03 PM

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pallid saffron what could i change, this team is also pretty weak into rain

to fix rain mu u would want hp invest mega latias over mega latios

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rain is mroe of a minor issue in the meta rn

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gliscor is currently S tier

pallid saffron Mar 26, 2025, 11:34 PM

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heady girder to fix rain mu u would want hp invest mega latias over mega latios

cm latias? or 3 attacks and roost

heady girder Mar 27, 2025, 12:28 AM

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I go cm normally

pallid saffron Mar 27, 2025, 12:30 AM

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alr

pallid saffron Mar 27, 2025, 12:30 AM

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heady girder I go cm normally

should i go stored power, mist ball or psyshock

heady girder Mar 27, 2025, 1:02 AM

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pallid saffron should i go stored power, mist ball or psyshock

cm shock aura sphere roost and max spe max hp

pallid saffron Mar 27, 2025, 2:03 AM

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heady girder cm shock aura sphere roost and max spe max hp

cm, stored, sphere, roost has been pretty decent so far

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ill try shock

latent lark Mar 27, 2025, 1:28 PM

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Thoughts?

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Just as a natdex ou team in general

feral pagoda Mar 27, 2025, 8:51 PM

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https://pokepast.es/211bf546255d8579

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what about this team ?

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i feel like a lack a fire mon and tapu koko doesnt feel like its helping that much as a wallbreaker

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would zeraora (faster volt absorb) or any fire type be good for this team ?

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last slot mostly

forest loom Mar 28, 2025, 2:52 AM

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Hello everyone, built this balance hazard stack team a while back. It's done me well in getting me to almost 1600, but I feel I can always improve it. Any feedback would be appreciated. https://pokepast.es/82f7663df5b40973

celest merlinBOT Mar 28, 2025, 2:52 AM

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gray lake Mar 28, 2025, 4:03 AM

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forest loom Hello everyone, built this balance hazard stack team a while back. It's done me ...

I like the idea behind this quite a bit, the main thing here is just how much pressure this puts on AV hamurott and Mega lop to get turns right versus standard gliscor+toxapex+ghold balance since this hamurott set has poor staying power and you would probably lose out to those in the long term, and once that is gone you cant reliably pressure gliscor especially if there is a ferrothorn in the back to further mess with raging bolt. one potential option would be replacing hamurott with ting lu, glowking with slowbro, and then lando with terapagos so u can keep ur own hazards up, and pagos is pretty good at pressuring those builds reliably. ferro would need to be chople berry if you do that imo. I know thats a lot of changes though, if you feel comfortable with the current pokemon then I would strongly advise making landorus taunt so you can mess with common hazard setters like gliscor, opposing lando, and garchomp, notably preventing them from toxicing u which would be super important here.

lone basalt Mar 28, 2025, 10:42 PM

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https://pokepast.es/cb770ad566ac3c4b

Hello, im new to natdex, I watch a lot of showdown but dont play that much, i wanna get started in natdex using some mons i like like scizor and aegislash, most movesets and spreads are from smogon with a few tweaks, what would you guys recommend? open to learn everything about natdex

potent furnace Mar 28, 2025, 10:52 PM

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this isnt bad

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there's definitely some issues but they're pretty easily fixed

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your main one is that yard 6-0s this

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aegi is stacking w/ mzor here so id recommend dropping it for mega latios

lone basalt Mar 28, 2025, 10:54 PM

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I see

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mega scizor was pretty much the first thing i added to the team and went from there

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is mega latios a check for yzard?

potent furnace Mar 28, 2025, 10:56 PM

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yeah

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you resist all its stabs and threaten huge damage

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its also a water resist which this team needs

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hamu and shifu are also doing similar things here so id recommdn swapping it for a diff spike setter

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you dont have removal either so maybe lando over tusk and then you can run like

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zapdos

lone basalt Mar 28, 2025, 10:59 PM

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you mean tusk over lando?

potent furnace Mar 28, 2025, 10:59 PM

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yes

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honestly ferro over hamu doesnt seem too bad either

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you'd rather have the ground immune though

gray lake Mar 28, 2025, 11:00 PM

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if u put mega tios ferro makes a lot of sense imo

lone basalt Mar 28, 2025, 11:00 PM

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I see

vague hemlock Mar 28, 2025, 11:01 PM

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Ghold mega tios works asw

potent furnace Mar 28, 2025, 11:01 PM

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^

vague hemlock Mar 28, 2025, 11:01 PM

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Cause you currently crumple to lele

potent furnace Mar 28, 2025, 11:01 PM

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oh wait tios is a ground immune too yeah

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i forgor

lone basalt Mar 28, 2025, 11:02 PM

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hmmm

lone basalt Mar 28, 2025, 11:02 PM

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vague hemlock Ghold mega tios works asw

gholdengo for what?

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instead of ferro?

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https://pokepast.es/30e19e382cb3ba2f

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is there any other mega you see that could work on a team with aegislash ?

potent furnace Mar 28, 2025, 11:07 PM

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i fear that aegi's kind of just unviable right now

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gholdengo's a lot better than it

lone basalt Mar 28, 2025, 11:08 PM

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i assume its mostly cuz of yzard?

potent furnace Mar 28, 2025, 11:08 PM

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nah ghold just does what it wants to better

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since it's got actual recovery

gray lake Mar 28, 2025, 11:09 PM

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its also faster

potent furnace Mar 28, 2025, 11:09 PM

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^

lone basalt Mar 28, 2025, 11:09 PM

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damn you ghold

potent furnace Mar 28, 2025, 11:09 PM

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forcing gambit to do 50/50s

lone basalt Mar 28, 2025, 11:09 PM

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damn

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you think theres ANY benefit on running aegi over ghold

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any matchup at all

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prob not right

gray lake Mar 28, 2025, 11:12 PM

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there might be an argument for it on hyper offense

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but outside of that i doubt it

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even then ghold is a good HO mon

lone basalt Mar 28, 2025, 11:13 PM

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yeah

gray lake Mar 28, 2025, 11:15 PM

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its just a very strict outclassing sadly

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and ghold is one of the three best pokemon in the tier so

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tough competition

lone basalt Mar 28, 2025, 11:16 PM

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Yeah i think i might go back to the drawing board and start making a team either mega lopo or mega scizor

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is stall very big in natdex?

gray lake Mar 28, 2025, 11:42 PM

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It’s pretty bad honestly

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Too many rly good mons threaten it

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Ghold and Lele being everywhere are particularly problematic

lone basalt Mar 28, 2025, 11:55 PM

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good

heady girder Mar 29, 2025, 9:19 AM

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physical on webs is about the only time it ever makes sense

plush lintel Mar 29, 2025, 12:51 PM

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https://pokepast.es/286f5f777a4f3859

celest merlinBOT Mar 29, 2025, 12:51 PM

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plush lintel Mar 29, 2025, 12:55 PM

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bruh

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hpfighting blacephalon isnt allowe

pallid saffron Mar 29, 2025, 2:43 PM

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do u guys think genesect could possibly be tested in nat dex ou

merry delta Mar 29, 2025, 2:44 PM

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no it will never be tested lol but this is not the place to discuss that

pallid saffron Mar 29, 2025, 2:44 PM

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oh ok

forest loom Mar 29, 2025, 5:20 PM

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gray lake I like the idea behind this quite a bit, the main thing here is just how much pr...

Hi there, thanks for your feedback. A couple questions. First off, for glowking-> slowbro, would i be using mega bro and changing out loppuny as well? Second, what is chople thorn good against? Is it for urshifu?

Thank you again for the suggestions. I will make the changes and try them out

next forge Mar 29, 2025, 5:49 PM

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forest loom Hi there, thanks for your feedback. A couple questions. First off, for glowking-...

mega slowbro isnt viable compared to just regular slowbro with heavy duty boots or colbur berry

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chople ferro helps vs shifu ye but also low kick kingambit, great tusk and iron valiant

gray lake Mar 29, 2025, 6:21 PM

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It’s honestly for lele in this case but it doesn’t hurt vs other fighting types

forest loom Mar 29, 2025, 11:14 PM

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next forge chople ferro helps vs shifu ye but also low kick kingambit, great tusk and iron ...

Right on, that could be worth a try. Thanks!

forest loom Mar 29, 2025, 11:14 PM

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gray lake It’s honestly for lele in this case but it doesn’t hurt vs other fighting types

Good to know!

manic helm Mar 30, 2025, 12:05 PM

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https://pokepast.es/a7e8f375026162b1

celest merlinBOT Mar 30, 2025, 12:05 PM

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rigid torrent Mar 30, 2025, 11:29 PM

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Fries bag asap

potent furnace Mar 31, 2025, 3:38 AM

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manic helm https://pokepast.es/a7e8f375026162b1

this looks pretty good id consider spdef on molt and toxtect on melm though

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other than that you're good

plush lintel Mar 31, 2025, 3:51 AM

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https://pokepast.es/286f5f777a4f3859

celest merlinBOT Mar 31, 2025, 3:51 AM

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plush lintel Mar 31, 2025, 3:51 AM

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with hpground blace

potent furnace Mar 31, 2025, 3:56 AM

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how do you bring in any of these frail ass breakers

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your only option is zap

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but thats not really a slow pivot

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we need melm

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desparately

potent crown Mar 31, 2025, 3:57 AM

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plush lintel https://pokepast.es/286f5f777a4f3859

choice scarf trick on blacephalon and no steel moves on gambit seems odd, twave > heat wave on zapdos, other than that its kinda eh

potent furnace Mar 31, 2025, 3:57 AM

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no steel gambit is fine

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twave zap is ass

potent crown Mar 31, 2025, 3:57 AM

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isn't it like used for twave

potent furnace Mar 31, 2025, 3:58 AM

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heat wave lets you hit ferro

potent crown Mar 31, 2025, 3:58 AM

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ohh

potent furnace Mar 31, 2025, 3:58 AM

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av melm over gambit

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mola over pex

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we're dropping one breaker so take your pick

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need a stronger backbone defensively

plush lintel Mar 31, 2025, 4:04 AM

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potent furnace av melm over gambit

ok hear me out

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if u do this

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how do u avoid folding to yard

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the mola thing

potent furnace Mar 31, 2025, 4:05 AM

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we do this by adding another defensive pokemon

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over a breaker

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or we could just go molt > zap

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if you'd rather keep your current lineup

manic helm Mar 31, 2025, 4:54 AM

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potent furnace this looks pretty good id consider spdef on molt and toxtect on melm though

Which move/item should I change from melm

plush lintel Mar 31, 2025, 5:22 AM

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potent furnace if you'd rather keep your current lineup

ill rebuild

potent furnace Mar 31, 2025, 5:23 AM

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manic helm Which move/item should I change from melm

not you

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err nvm

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just run the smogdex set should be good

normal nebula Mar 31, 2025, 5:18 PM

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I found an outdated team but its somewhat similar to current meta could someone help me improve it ❓

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https://pokepast.es/ba481473315f5818

merry delta Mar 31, 2025, 5:19 PM

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This is for a completely different tier

normal nebula Mar 31, 2025, 5:19 PM

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wait it is

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it was on an ou forum

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mb

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wait

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are u sure

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none of the pokemon arent valid

merry delta Mar 31, 2025, 5:19 PM

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yes that is a svou sample

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this is ndou rates

normal nebula Mar 31, 2025, 5:20 PM

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well I mean its basically the same Im looking for improvment

merry delta Mar 31, 2025, 5:20 PM

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Completely different metagames

normal nebula Mar 31, 2025, 5:20 PM

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I like the team but it feels like its lacking

merry delta Mar 31, 2025, 5:20 PM

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It’s not the same lol

normal nebula Mar 31, 2025, 5:20 PM

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well ill replace pokemon but I see very similar teams in ou

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natdex

merry delta Mar 31, 2025, 5:21 PM

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No one uses teams like these

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Like I’ve only seen one similar team used in tour play and it was built by me as a troll team LOL

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glimmora and latias r bad pokemon

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And most of these techs are best used in sv not nd

normal nebula Mar 31, 2025, 5:23 PM

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glimmora is bad ❓

merry delta Mar 31, 2025, 5:23 PM

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yes

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In ndou

normal nebula Mar 31, 2025, 5:23 PM

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its ou in ndou

merry delta Mar 31, 2025, 5:24 PM

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ok that doesn’t matter

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Usage does not correlate to viability

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Especially when this ladder is only cheese at best

normal nebula Mar 31, 2025, 5:24 PM

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how

merry delta Mar 31, 2025, 5:24 PM

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Ladder usage is not to be taken seriously when actually considering the viability of a Pokémon

normal nebula Mar 31, 2025, 5:24 PM

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then why bother lol

merry delta Mar 31, 2025, 5:24 PM

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Because this ladder runs some very wacky shit that isn’t actually good

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what do u mean

normal nebula Mar 31, 2025, 5:25 PM

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why bother making a whole tierlist for pokemon for it not matter

merry delta Mar 31, 2025, 5:26 PM

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The VR is based on how good a pokemon actually performs not how much it is used

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Those 2 have no correlation

normal nebula Mar 31, 2025, 5:26 PM

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yea but im saying why rank them on usage if usage determines their ranking

merry delta Mar 31, 2025, 5:27 PM

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U put pokemon in tiers based on usage because its much simpler and less subjective to do

normal nebula Mar 31, 2025, 5:27 PM

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except ubers

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like no one uses lugia but its uber

merry delta Mar 31, 2025, 5:28 PM

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yeah

next forge Mar 31, 2025, 6:07 PM

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normal nebula why bother making a whole tierlist for pokemon for it not matter

usage rates determines whats in the tier
VR determines whats actually good in the tier

glimmora is OU because its used a lot but it doesnt necessarily mean its worth using since its only C tier
slowbro is UU because it isnt used a lot but it is good in OU according to the VR cuz its A-

lone basalt Mar 31, 2025, 7:05 PM

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https://pokepast.es/4302506e0a1c9d42

Really want to make a aegislash, bulky offensive team or similar, any ideas or tweeks for something like this?

nova vapor Apr 1, 2025, 12:37 PM

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https://pokepast.es/f17a1123db64980a uh...I know nothing abt nat dex but I do know a decemt amount abt gen 9. Dunno if this team sucks because no mega or z move or if it sucks for other reasons or maybe it doesnt suck

celest merlinBOT Apr 1, 2025, 12:38 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

next forge Apr 1, 2025, 1:27 PM

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Team gets obliterated by subroost kyurem

potent furnace Apr 1, 2025, 2:01 PM

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^

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i dont think fini is really helping check anything here

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also fog corv sux

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imo idef + body press over fog and bird on corv and then drop spikes on glisc for fog

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if you'd rather keep bird on corv for wellspring feel free to

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this is also a roost gliscor team not a protect

nova vapor Apr 1, 2025, 2:27 PM

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https://pokepast.es/8141e0f424edd2f3

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Hmmm if I'm using Iron defense and body press, would zamazenta be better than corv here?

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Or no because corv has better longevity through roost

lone basalt Apr 1, 2025, 3:41 PM

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Latest version, need help to see what i can tweak https://pokepast.es/79c5689c6cffa062

old vessel Apr 1, 2025, 3:45 PM

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I made a cool looking sand team for NatDex OU (Cuz I like using Sand)

I really wanna use Regirock here because it's a cool mon, but is there anything I can change in here to make it function better?
https://pokepast.es/ba3712b7139b1115
(Also are the names any good?)

vague hemlock Apr 2, 2025, 4:20 AM

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nova vapor https://pokepast.es/8141e0f424edd2f3

Moltres > corv this helps the kyurem issue while also being fairly consistent into iron valiant and zard y (which also eats you alive )

Ferrothorn > heatran gives you a much more consistent answer into stuff like opposing ogerpon while also being another hazard setter that can check lele in one slot.

I think these changes can help

vast tendon Apr 3, 2025, 4:27 AM

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https://pokepast.es/d6f4cf35f622d5bf

celest merlinBOT Apr 3, 2025, 4:28 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

pallid saffron Apr 3, 2025, 8:29 AM

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why is ash greninja banned in nat dex formats?

merry delta Apr 3, 2025, 11:58 AM

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It’s not legal in Gen 9 because of the changes to battle bond this Gen

gray lake Apr 3, 2025, 2:51 PM

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vast tendon https://pokepast.es/d6f4cf35f622d5bf

solid as far as hyper offenses go, the main thing is I would replace urshifu with bu+rapid spin great tusk to give you a ground type and some hazard control, ghold should also be focus blast instead of psyshock since shock is basically just a stall mu fish and stall isnt a very good playstyle rn anyway, meanwhile focus blast is very important for ting lu ttar and ferro. Looks solid though, just know that HO is kind of just ok in the current meta due to its lack of consistency vs common defensive cores

cunning nacelle Apr 4, 2025, 12:28 PM

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https://pokepast.es/cfb8d261b6685d23

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should I replace corv with moltres?

merry delta Apr 4, 2025, 12:43 PM

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This is for a completely different format

cunning nacelle Apr 4, 2025, 12:45 PM

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oh mb

robust vine Apr 4, 2025, 7:50 PM

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cunning nacelle https://pokepast.es/cfb8d261b6685d23

Dragapult is ban in Natdex

iron summit Apr 5, 2025, 3:59 AM

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https://pokepast.es/8910348710b12b6d I’m trying to build a scizor balance team and would love a second input

celest merlinBOT Apr 5, 2025, 3:59 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

iron summit Apr 5, 2025, 4:00 AM

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I’m new to building balance in particular but I kinda wanna get better at basic team building fundamentals

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Haven’t tested it yet but tbh I think that the team will really stuggle with hazards….

rustic surge Apr 5, 2025, 9:50 AM

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https://pokepast.es/2756f8b825d79c96 electric terrain

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biggest flaws are one setter and my koko isnt the best pivot and a ground weakness but I can usually play around both of these\

wanton furnace Apr 5, 2025, 3:55 PM

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rustic surge https://pokepast.es/2756f8b825d79c96 electric terrain

The nicknames alone make this a meta staple

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I’d like my team rated too, when you guys have the chance.

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https://pokepast.es/d68c2efb510e0e62

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I’ve had a surprising amount of success with it on low ladder. Any criticism is good criticism!

potent crown Apr 5, 2025, 4:40 PM

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wanton furnace https://pokepast.es/d68c2efb510e0e62

You talk about other people having good nickname when you yourself made six new paradox pokemon names

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Aerial Apex hits like a semi truck

wanton furnace Apr 5, 2025, 4:42 PM

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Lemme guess I did bold instead of adamant

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Oh you mean the nickname

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I thought you literally meant it’s ATK 😭

wanton furnace Apr 5, 2025, 4:43 PM

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potent crown Aerial Apex hits like a semi truck

Thank you!! I love personalizing my mons ☺️

grand willow Apr 5, 2025, 11:17 PM

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https://pokepast.es/8d2d6f85aa416b18

celest merlinBOT Apr 5, 2025, 11:17 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

grand willow Apr 5, 2025, 11:17 PM

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catheart

rustic surge Apr 6, 2025, 12:10 AM

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wanton furnace The nicknames alone make this a meta staple

Ty ty

potent crown Apr 6, 2025, 1:32 AM

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rustic surge https://pokepast.es/2756f8b825d79c96 electric terrain

Wow Mega Z-moves Tera and Paradox all in one team.

The wonders of natdex

potent furnace Apr 6, 2025, 1:33 AM

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grand willow https://pokepast.es/8d2d6f85aa416b18

we need speed control and a yard answer

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off the rip ceru should be HDB or sash

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there's a different set for Z lele in the smogdex that you'd like more

carmine hamlet Apr 6, 2025, 4:22 AM

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also we don't have teta

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tera

rustic surge Apr 6, 2025, 9:20 PM

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potent crown Wow Mega Z-moves Tera and Paradox all in one team. The wonders of natdex

There’s no tera I just put tera types cuz I didn’t know that yet

wanton furnace Apr 6, 2025, 10:47 PM

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Just checking, do I just wait for the next ND rater to check mine out, like a butcher shop? I wanna make sure I wasn’t supposed to ping someone 😭

pallid saffron Apr 7, 2025, 11:42 PM

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https://pokepast.es/b7a12eac21ae4389 any thoughts on this mega sceptile team i made? any feedback or suggestions

celest merlinBOT Apr 7, 2025, 11:42 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

pallid saffron Apr 7, 2025, 11:43 PM

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pallid saffron https://pokepast.es/b7a12eac21ae4389 any thoughts on this mega sceptile team i m...

its based on pokeaims one with some changes

little crater Apr 8, 2025, 3:20 AM

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https://pokepast.es/3f523e48926965fb
First time trying to build any sort of actual team for showdown

plush lintel Apr 8, 2025, 11:35 AM

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wanton furnace Just checking, do I just wait for the next ND rater to check mine out, like a bu...

resend ig

verbal tide Apr 8, 2025, 3:25 PM

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https://pokepast.es/55c69124b13dc527 any thoughts on how i can improve this ?

celest merlinBOT Apr 8, 2025, 3:25 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vague hemlock Apr 8, 2025, 11:07 PM

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I do not see any cohesion with this team.

Sets are extremely suboptimal the eye-poppers being the ttar set and weavile set.
Questionable Mon choices in gengar which is a ghost that doesn’t provide any defensive utility like Pecharunt and Gholdengo. While also being a mid special attacker with an awkward speed tier.
No ground type or water resistance means you fold to common threats llle Ogerpon wellspring and Tapu Koko.

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I suggest you check national dex resources

celest merlinBOT Apr 8, 2025, 11:08 PM

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National Dex (Gen 9)

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

vague hemlock Apr 8, 2025, 11:09 PM

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Sample teams are built by good players in natdex and the viability rankings help you build an understanding of what functions in the meta.

languid cloak Apr 9, 2025, 1:48 AM

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https://pokepast.es/1532b6a8fe34270e

This is my Gen 8 Nat Dex Balance team. It is a good squad and I got top 500 easily but I am just too hard countered by Kyurem and Hoppa-U is a bitch to fight. Corviknight honestly feels like my weakest link. I thought maybe replacing Corvi with a Kyu check that also clears hazards (tbh i havent seriously looked yet) but yeah. Other than that I like the squad, open to opinions though :D

wanton furnace Apr 9, 2025, 4:28 AM

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wanton furnace https://pokepast.es/d68c2efb510e0e62

Wondering if someone could give me feedback on my team? I think I was passed over last round

obsidian lava Apr 9, 2025, 1:57 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e1c35126e40cc82f hi i am new to pokemon! any weakness to this team? I am considering to swhitching garchomp to gliscar so it can spread toxic and facilitate ghldengo's hex damage. lowkey also down to change my team and add sticky webs but unsure how viable that be

celest merlinBOT Apr 9, 2025, 1:57 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vague hemlock Apr 9, 2025, 10:12 PM

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wanton furnace https://pokepast.es/d68c2efb510e0e62

Unfortunately this is basically the same as above what I said to the other user. Odd sets and item choices with mons. I suggest running sample teams and checking viability ranking.

wanton furnace Apr 9, 2025, 10:13 PM

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vague hemlock Unfortunately this is basically the same as above what I said to the other user....

Ah I see. Any set in particular that you find not optimal?

vague hemlock Apr 9, 2025, 10:19 PM

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Pretty much all from like av basculeigon which is very niche on rain well male basculeigon that is.. female is outclassed by other special attackers on rain.

The room set isn’t the worst but it’s a really bad fogger and item should be between leftovers and water Z.
Mega ttar does not run dragon dance as it’s outspeed by stuff like scarf lele and booster Val still after dragon dance. It typically runs rocks 3 attacks or 4 attacks.

These are examples of suboptimal sets. This is without accounting for the random Mon selection.

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Feel free to ask any questions I’ll be here

celest merlinBOT Apr 9, 2025, 10:19 PM

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National Dex (Gen 9)

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

vague hemlock Apr 9, 2025, 10:20 PM

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These are the resources

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They’ll help you gain a more comprehensive understanding of of the meta

wanton furnace Apr 9, 2025, 11:13 PM

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vague hemlock Pretty much all from like av basculeigon which is very niche on rain well male ...

Yep, I think I see what you mean. I’ve been iffy on the mentioned mons’ sets. Do you mind if I ask a few more questions actually? First, why is Rotom a bad defogger? I personally value its immunity to spikes and webs plus its pivoting. Second, I was confused by what you said about Bascu being niche on rain. I agree fully, but this doesn’t use rain. I can explain my reasoning for the mons I chose, but I don’t know if this is the right place 😅

vague hemlock Apr 10, 2025, 2:02 AM

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wanton furnace Yep, I think I see what you mean. I’ve been iffy on the mentioned mons’ sets. Do...

No it’s fine

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The reason rotom sucks as a fogger is mainly its longevity issues. It doesn’t really keep hazards off vs stuff like ferro thorn for example.

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Also you don’t really wanna use mons like basc out of rain and you using av means you are looking for something to check special attackers it has no recovery when you think of special attackers think of iron valiant would this basc be able to constantly respond to them think about it.

wanton furnace Apr 10, 2025, 2:10 AM

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vague hemlock The reason rotom sucks as a fogger is mainly its longevity issues. It doesn’t re...

Ah yeah, that’s kinda what the Sitrus berry was trying to alleviate. On the team rotom kinda serves as role compression: fogger, pivot, water stab, and inflicting burns. If I wanted more longevity out of it, wouldn’t pain split be an option?

wanton furnace Apr 10, 2025, 2:13 AM

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vague hemlock Also you don’t really wanna use mons like basc out of rain and you using av mean...

Tbh I like AV on Bascu since I don’t really want to set up with it anyways, and that big HP stat helps it tank special hits better while allowing me to also invest in defense. But I recently tried a more offensive set with pump and agility and it was a big improvement.

vague hemlock Apr 10, 2025, 3:50 AM

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wanton furnace Ah yeah, that’s kinda what the Sitrus berry was trying to alleviate. On the team...

Yeah you could but you would need to drop fog but there a lot of other issues with this team.

wanton furnace Apr 10, 2025, 3:54 AM

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Yeah I figured. I do want to make this team as easy and fun to use as possible. Could I DM you so we could talk about these issues more in depth? @vague hemlock

vague hemlock Apr 10, 2025, 11:44 AM

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wanton furnace Yeah I figured. I do want to make this team as easy and fun to use as possible. ...

What Im trying to say is you’d have to start over completely

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This team isn’t really salvageable

wanton furnace Apr 10, 2025, 11:46 AM

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I respectfully disagree. At least in low ladder, where I mostly toil, it’s been pretty successful and fun to use. My main concerns were obvious flaws I might have missed in team building and other ways to optimize it, ev distributions etc. What about it isn’t salvageable?

vague hemlock Apr 10, 2025, 11:47 AM

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What I stated above unfortunately I can’t help you further. Best of luck though.

wanton furnace Apr 10, 2025, 11:47 AM

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Alright, thanks for your time

last bane Apr 10, 2025, 10:45 PM

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This team is following some niche rules so ill quickly go over them.
I had to get these pokemon via pokemon sleep so I cant really change what pokemon I use. This is for a tournament with some close friends so they are also following the same rules I am. which means im only against pokemon that are in Pokemon Sleep. This is what ive tried to do so far but im not very good at team building. https://pokepast.es/486f41a82d49b85e

celest merlinBOT Apr 10, 2025, 10:45 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gray lake Apr 10, 2025, 10:53 PM

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last bane This team is following some niche rules so ill quickly go over them. I had to ge...

hey there, we don't rate teams that follow restrictions like this. this channel is for teams in the smogon national dex metagame, which this is not. Not really sure where the best place to get this looked over would be honestly but its not here

last bane Apr 10, 2025, 10:58 PM

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Ah Alr thanks

cloud solstice Apr 11, 2025, 1:25 AM

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https://pokepast.es/d5ba507165e7ae0a

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Bulky offense mega scizor team any changes I should make ?

vale ridge Apr 12, 2025, 5:43 AM

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https://pokepast.es/f61b23a21fb2ccbb

celest merlinBOT Apr 12, 2025, 5:43 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

potent furnace Apr 12, 2025, 5:44 AM

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lvl 98 mola pack it up

vale ridge Apr 12, 2025, 5:44 AM

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Kartana has been solid as a cleaner Diancie well does what Diancie does Tangrowth is kind of doing bad and I would like a second breaker. Moltres is doing it's job fine with Diancie and AV Mola is a solid set that has been working fine although no wish stinks sometimes.

vale ridge Apr 12, 2025, 5:44 AM

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potent furnace lvl 98 mola pack it up

😭

potent furnace Apr 12, 2025, 5:45 AM

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that mola set doesnt work in ou

vale ridge Apr 12, 2025, 5:45 AM

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Tangrowth did one game trade with an Ogerpon though so it did it's job fine.

potent furnace Apr 12, 2025, 5:45 AM

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especially with molt as your fogger

vale ridge Apr 12, 2025, 5:45 AM

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potent furnace especially with molt as your fogger

How does this have to do with Alo's item?

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How does it relate

potent furnace Apr 12, 2025, 5:45 AM

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spikes

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makes it significicantly harder for mola to come in repeatedly thoughout a game

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especially with how much stronger special attackers are in natdex generally

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boots is a lot better for that

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we also have a spdef chomp already so mola is kind of redundant on that front

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im more partial to full special mdia over mixed but its honestly not that big a deal

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kartana also feels a little weird here

vale ridge Apr 12, 2025, 5:48 AM

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potent furnace we also have a spdef chomp already so mola is kind of redundant on that front

Spdef Chomp is a special wall?

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I jst kind of copied the tank chomp set and threw it in tbh.

potent furnace Apr 12, 2025, 5:49 AM

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main special attacker you'd want to beat rn is yard

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spdef chomp does that quite handily

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boots mola also lets us keep it alive throughout a game

vale ridge Apr 12, 2025, 5:49 AM

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I still only have Diancie as a breaker.

potent furnace Apr 12, 2025, 5:50 AM

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thats fine

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as far as breakers go mega diancies pretty damn good

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the bigger issue is the lack of a steel

vale ridge Apr 12, 2025, 5:51 AM

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potent furnace as far as breakers go mega diancies pretty damn good

It falls flat infront of Clod

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I tried to put Psyshock on Mdia but people called me crazy.

potent furnace Apr 12, 2025, 5:51 AM

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clod isnt a common pokemon

vale ridge Apr 12, 2025, 5:52 AM

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I jst dislike not being able to break stall relatively fast so like in 50 turns or so.

potent furnace Apr 12, 2025, 5:54 AM

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this is a balance team

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trying to break stall that fast isnt feasible for structures similar to this

vale ridge Apr 12, 2025, 5:55 AM

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potent furnace this is a balance team

Oh I was aiming to make bulky offense

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Wouldn't balance have spikes as well?

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Instead of just rock chomp

potent furnace Apr 12, 2025, 5:55 AM

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thats not really a balance specific thing

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imo scarf ghold > scarf kart here

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trick/recover/shadow ball/non ghost move

vale ridge Apr 12, 2025, 6:09 AM

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Ic

potent furnace Apr 12, 2025, 6:09 AM

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0 psychic resists

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lele just runs this over

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kart is not a psychic resist

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i gtg tho

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someone else will pick up the rest and if not i can help more when im up

spiral pond Apr 12, 2025, 7:46 AM

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https://pokepast.es/81ad8c959721bda3

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Kitchen mightve been burnt down

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ND gen8

sharp radish Apr 12, 2025, 11:56 AM

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Can someone make me a team with sky z lando t

vale ridge Apr 12, 2025, 12:51 PM

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potent furnace someone else will pick up the rest and if not i can help more when im up

Ok

vale ridge Apr 12, 2025, 6:12 PM

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If someone does decide to do that please ping me.

frigid forge Apr 12, 2025, 11:04 PM

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Top percent (Rattata) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Guts
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

Endeavor
Quick Attack
Toxic
Pursuit

Misdreavus @ Focus Sash
Ability: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

Trick Room
Destiny Bond
Toxic
Protect

Iron menace (Aron) @ Shell Bell
Ability: Sturdy
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

Endeavor
Toxic
Protect
Sandstorm

EXPLOSION (Pineco) @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sturdy
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

Toxic
Toxic Spikes
Pain Split
Rapid Spin

TRICK-or-treat (Solosis) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Magic Guard
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

Trick Room
Endeavor
Toxic
Magic Coat

Swagnemite (Magnemite) @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sturdy
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

Thunder Wave
Swagger
Magic Coat
Recycle

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Do u think this a good troll team

merry delta Apr 12, 2025, 11:38 PM

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no

stark sorrel Apr 13, 2025, 6:12 AM

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https://pokepast.es/8c2e6164ae31f978

celest merlinBOT Apr 13, 2025, 6:12 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

stark sorrel Apr 13, 2025, 6:12 AM

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chat

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is this good

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i changed ferros nature to + sp df too

sharp radish Apr 13, 2025, 6:50 AM

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Can someone help me finish this team

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Or suggest any changes to it

stark sorrel Apr 13, 2025, 7:53 AM

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sharp radish Can someone help me finish this team

you need a good electric / grass type

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cause the water types for landorous and tyranitar

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https://pokepast.es/79a238f8453d92ec

stark sorrel Apr 13, 2025, 7:56 AM

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sharp radish Can someone help me finish this team

physically defense spikes setter could be helpful too

sharp radish Apr 13, 2025, 7:56 AM

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Oh ok

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What u suggest

stark sorrel Apr 13, 2025, 7:57 AM

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i think heatran could be good here

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oh wait

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nvm i didnt see your lando lol

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kartanna could be good here

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for the water weakness

sharp radish Apr 13, 2025, 8:01 AM

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Yh

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And what for last mon

stark sorrel Apr 13, 2025, 8:05 AM

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i would go for ice sm

sharp radish Apr 13, 2025, 8:42 AM

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O

stark sorrel Apr 13, 2025, 9:45 AM

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https://pokepast.es/79a238f8453d92ec

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rate ts

vale ridge Apr 13, 2025, 1:32 PM

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vale ridge https://pokepast.es/f61b23a21fb2ccbb

Help pls 😭

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I have been waiting for awhile

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Idm waiting more as long as someone helps eventually though.

languid cloak Apr 13, 2025, 8:25 PM

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sharp radish Or suggest any changes to it

The raters only rate full teams iirc.

sharp radish Apr 13, 2025, 8:27 PM

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O

gray lake Apr 14, 2025, 1:48 AM

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stark sorrel https://pokepast.es/79a238f8453d92ec

Webs is a hyper offensive playstyle so things like Ferrothorn don't really fit, band skewda isnt rly very good, u probably want something like Waterpon over it instead. Galvantula is also a suboptimal web setter, the best one is araq but ribombee is viable as well. Eject button is an item to consider on hatt on HO like this since it lets u give something like Ghold or Xard a free switch. If it were me i'd replace Ferro with something like Rocks lando, make hatt eject button, make Skewda Waterpon, and then make galvantula araq or bee. Another thing to consider could be making Xard Swords Dance which is greedier but gives u some more power

gray lake Apr 14, 2025, 1:50 AM

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vale ridge https://pokepast.es/f61b23a21fb2ccbb

I think the main thing here is honestly that you put a ton of pressure on Mega Diancie to make progress, which isn't necessarily a terrible thing but you absolutely have to get turns right with it. I'm not sure AV mola is the way to go here, going with a different pivot that has more in the tank offensively could be a good idea, maybe banded Shifu which also gives you a Dark-resist to help out with Kingambit since that mu looks a little dicey.

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that being said tangrowth+moltres actually covers a lot of the meta so I like that, u could consider power whip on tangrowth since waterpon can actually get quite dicey since giga is only like a 30% chance to 3hko

vale ridge Apr 14, 2025, 10:17 AM

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gray lake I think the main thing here is honestly that you put a ton of pressure on Mega D...

Alright

vale ridge Apr 14, 2025, 10:18 AM

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gray lake that being said tangrowth+moltres actually covers a lot of the meta so I like th...

Ic

vast tendon Apr 14, 2025, 6:06 PM

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https://pokepast.es/7e7f76360f0ce436

celest merlinBOT Apr 14, 2025, 6:06 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

potent furnace Apr 14, 2025, 6:15 PM

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HDB ghold here for sure

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we're also super weak to pon

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and yard

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mega lati of your choice over melm would be a good call

merry delta Apr 14, 2025, 6:18 PM

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Mtios prob

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No removal feels weird. Not sure how you solve that without gimping other matchups

vast tendon Apr 14, 2025, 6:35 PM

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im willing to scrap some of this tbh. i kinda just threw something together trying chomp alo and melm

gray lake Apr 14, 2025, 7:39 PM

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what if u tried mega latios over garchomp, great tusk over zapdos, and made ghold a Z move?

stark sorrel Apr 15, 2025, 3:01 AM

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gray lake Webs is a hyper offensive playstyle so things like Ferrothorn don't really fit, ...

i dont like using legendaries icl

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and i find xard is slower a lil more than half the time so prob no swords dance

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i think it still needs a lil more adjustment but https://pokepast.es/d4985a0c61cfcd4c

celest merlinBOT Apr 15, 2025, 3:13 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

stark sorrel Apr 15, 2025, 3:13 AM

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i think shield dust seems a little useless and i think sweet veil could have a lil more util just in case

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but i dont like the double fairy kinda thing

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even if haterene is just for spikes

potent furnace Apr 15, 2025, 3:14 AM

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sweet veil is bad shield dust is much more useful

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drop u turn for skill swap though

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and stun spore over bug buzz

stark sorrel Apr 15, 2025, 3:14 AM

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my dark counters would be a little limited if i drop bug buzz

potent furnace Apr 15, 2025, 3:15 AM

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you have 2 fairies

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all the darks in natdex get owned by the guys you have already anyway

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make lando fly z as well and i think you're good

stark sorrel Apr 15, 2025, 3:16 AM

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worried about kingambit tho

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i do have char

potent furnace Apr 15, 2025, 3:17 AM

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if you're that worried feel free to run superpower over play rough

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on wellspring

stark sorrel Apr 15, 2025, 3:18 AM

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would espeon be better under magic bounce

potent furnace Apr 15, 2025, 3:18 AM

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no

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definitely not

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way too frail and doesnt threaten meaningful damage

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hatterene hits harder, is bulkier and also threatens nuzzle

stark sorrel Apr 15, 2025, 3:18 AM

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oooh

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ion got nuzzle on him

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i feel like i get rid of calm mind for that?

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never can get a chance to setup most the time

cobalt skiff Apr 15, 2025, 4:40 AM

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https://pokepast.es/fac8e292b23b008f

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Can anyone help me finish this team / make changes to it

gray lake Apr 15, 2025, 5:27 AM

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stark sorrel i feel like i get rid of calm mind for that?

Yes, CM hatt isn’t rly a webs mon

errant scarab Apr 16, 2025, 6:23 PM

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Can anyone help me with my team? I'm trying to make a hyper offense rain dance but

old vessel Apr 16, 2025, 6:30 PM

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errant scarab Can anyone help me with my team? I'm trying to make a hyper offense rain dance b...

Not a rater myself but how do you get Showdown to look like that? Kinda clean ngl

errant scarab Apr 16, 2025, 6:31 PM

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old vessel Not a rater myself but how do you get Showdown to look like that? Kinda clean ng...

Samsung internet mobile

old vessel Apr 16, 2025, 6:31 PM

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Ahh I see

old vessel Apr 16, 2025, 6:42 PM

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errant scarab Can anyone help me with my team? I'm trying to make a hyper offense rain dance b...

I do have a few things I can point out on the team

Waterfall should definitely be used over Liquidation on Mega Swampert for the flinch chance.
Close Combat is always good to have on Barraskewda, I'd probably replace Drill Run with it
Specs on Kilowattrel would probably be the best but I can kinda get behind the Wise Glasses strat, you might be onto something cool
Might want a pivot move somewhere on Pelipper
I'd also suggest a different Hidden Power for Magnezone, but I'm not quite sure what else would be better so you've got me stumped on that one lol
I'm also not quite sure what Rain Dance is gonna do aside from the obvious, but you are the Rain Dance Propogandist, so I'll trust in your judgement

Other than that, I'll leave the rest to a qualified team rater lol

errant scarab Apr 16, 2025, 6:43 PM

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old vessel I do have a few things I can point out on the team - Waterfall should definitel...

Rain Dance makes thunder and hurricane always hit

tame glen Apr 17, 2025, 9:07 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c0a881dbb4a52873

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would love it if someone could get some feedback on this

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please ping me if you do

zinc narwhal Apr 17, 2025, 11:33 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d4e5904ef2625729

tried making my own for once and idk how to feel lowk

celest merlinBOT Apr 17, 2025, 11:33 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

potent crown Apr 18, 2025, 2:07 AM

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https://pokepast.es/c4a23ba123548b11
does this function?

stark sorrel Apr 18, 2025, 4:18 AM

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potent furnace drop u turn for skill swap though

i love you for this advice

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i just went against a hatterene and he instantly ff'f when i skill swapped him

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 4:55 AM

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https://pokepast.es/0651b03df0f2d19b
I am building a sun team. Torkoal, Lando, and Ceruledge are guaranteed staying so what should I replace valiant, gliscor, and toxapex with?

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:16 AM

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potent crown https://pokepast.es/c4a23ba123548b11 does this function?

this just needs some minor tweaks and its workable

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offensive SD chomp over mega here since its really not good

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i think scale shot is the play here so we can run z on aegi

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CC over iron head on aegi and ghost z over leftovers

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hoopa u isnt doing anything here and would be better suited for a suicide lead like glimmora or diancie mega

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imo mdia is a better fit here but glimm is usable

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:18 AM

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fair spindle https://pokepast.es/0651b03df0f2d19b I am building a sun team. Torkoal, Lando, a...

tusk over gliscor, charizard mega y over iron valiant and raging bolt over toxapex

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you lack breaking power and sun abusers

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just run stand sets on all

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also tork here should be plume/body press/spin/tox

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you alr have rocks on lando and hes much more reliable of a setter than tork

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:19 AM

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could hatterene work anywhere on this team?

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:20 AM

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hatt is an option but you'd have to drop lando most likely for that

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:20 AM

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wb tork?

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:20 AM

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you're a sun team

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can't function off yard sun alone you need the bonus duration from tork

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:21 AM

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hm

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could venausaur fit in this?

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:22 AM

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ehh

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its alr

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:22 AM

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probably not though bc of zard y

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:22 AM

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way too hard to fit imo

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its a decent enough breaker but i dont like how hard it is to bring in

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the setup turn required really holds it back

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if you really wanted to this could be made into semisun by dropping tork and ceru

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if you're willing, obviously

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yard semisun is a pretty common thing in natdex atm and is pretty great

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:25 AM

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would stacking weaknesses in this case really be a problem in sun?

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due to water

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:25 AM

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thats what the extra slots are for

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also raging bolt is extremely good into common waters atm

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the only one you'd even have to worry about is wellspring but sun halving water's damage really ruins her day

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since cudgel is a lot less spammable

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252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Raging Bolt in Sun: 50-59 (12.7 - 15%) -- possible 7HKO

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you eat this all day

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most are running superpower for ferro asw

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:27 AM

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should i do tusk or lando on semisun

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or both

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:27 AM

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both is workable but just tusk is probably best

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actually i will say i am ship of theseusing this team right now

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as i think we have swapped out all 6 pokemon

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is there a specific pokemon you wanted to run or was this more just a thing you built

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so i can focus on what you want out of this

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:29 AM

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more of a thing im just building

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:29 AM

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got it

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:29 AM

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no specific mon i want as a core

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:29 AM

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so theres really 2 ways i can take this in that case

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which is a) fully lean into tork sun

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or b) drop tork and run more of an offense deal

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:30 AM

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potent furnace or b) drop tork and run more of an offense deal

so semisun with yard?

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:30 AM

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nah full sun

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you still run yard because its an additional setter + generically good pokemon

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but yeah

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:31 AM

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i mean when dropping tork

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:31 AM

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ah

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yard semisun is typically yard + great tusk + bolt and then some way to bring them in

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and then some breaker whos good into latis

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last can honestly be whatever just take a look at what the team needs

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:32 AM

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what are some good breakers i can use?

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:32 AM

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i think koko seems pretty great

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specs is pretty good atm

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also good speed control

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ferro last for lele

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so like yard/tusk/bolt/alo/koko/ferro

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i like alo on semisun a lot because you're also able to heal off rocks chip from yard without wasting a sun turn on roost

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:35 AM

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potent furnace i like alo on semisun a lot because you're also able to heal off rocks chip from...

alo?

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:35 AM

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alomomola

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can run standard sets on all 6

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just some minor moveset tweaks but the standard evs should all be good

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:36 AM

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alr like 6-10 minutes

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ima put it on paste

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:36 AM

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yea np

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:41 AM

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potent furnace yea np

volt switch or thunderbolt on koko?

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thunderbolt bc of specs?

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:42 AM

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both

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tbolt/gleam/hp ice/volt switch

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if youd rather have u turn over volt switch that's an option as well

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:44 AM

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would electric terrain cancel out drought?

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:45 AM

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potent furnace if youd rather have u turn over volt switch that's an option as well

if it does i can just run ha

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:45 AM

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fair spindle would electric terrain cancel out drought?

nope

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terrains and weather coesxist

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one doesnt override the other

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:45 AM

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alright

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spikes or stealth rock for ferro?

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:48 AM

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rocks

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drop rocks on tusk for close combat

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fighting coverage is better here

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:53 AM

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potent furnace fighting coverage is better here

https://pokepast.es/2e7adb453bbc7f24

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 5:54 AM

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drag z on bolt

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otherwise this looks good

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 5:55 AM

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alr thanks ima playtest it tmrw

fair spindle Apr 18, 2025, 6:05 AM

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potent furnace otherwise this looks good

just remembered shouldnt i change fireblast to weather ball?

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correct me if im wrong

potent furnace Apr 18, 2025, 6:10 AM

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oh yes

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missed that

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weather ball always

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its only 10 less base power but is 100% accurate

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if you're worried about your weather getting reset flamethrower is better than blast

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generally i think its not needed though and i like the higher BP more

potent crown Apr 18, 2025, 1:29 PM

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potent furnace imo mdia is a better fit here but glimm is usable

Okey thank you

zinc narwhal Apr 18, 2025, 2:07 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d4e5904ef2625729

can I get some thoughts on this

celest merlinBOT Apr 18, 2025, 2:07 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

proven drift Apr 18, 2025, 8:52 PM

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can anyone help me make a team centered around mega zard x

pale python Apr 18, 2025, 10:54 PM

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Natdex ou team: https://pokepast.es/a79e6f060aca8d81
can i please get some tips on this team

celest merlinBOT Apr 18, 2025, 10:55 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vague hemlock Apr 18, 2025, 11:36 PM

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Ngl this team is not salvageable.

Reason being the mom selections are quite questionable haxorus for example is not viable in any capacity in national dex ou. Same is true with mega Altaria and arcanine-h. I highly suggest you use our sample and read the viability rankings to gain a more comprehensive understanding of of the meta.

celest merlinBOT Apr 18, 2025, 11:36 PM

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National Dex (Gen 9)

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

potent crown Apr 18, 2025, 11:59 PM

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potent furnace hoopa u isnt doing anything here and would be better suited for a suicide lead l...

what evs and nature should i run for mdia bc smogon only shows normal diancie

potent furnace Apr 19, 2025, 12:01 AM

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those evs

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the diancie set for national dex ou has the mega stone

potent crown Apr 19, 2025, 12:06 AM

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https://pokepast.es/c15f4cfd466b9f9b
is this better? also what ttypes do i make aegi jeff and mdia

merry delta Apr 19, 2025, 1:30 AM

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What’s the idea behind this

potent crown Apr 19, 2025, 1:34 AM

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Just an ho team I guess

carmine hamlet Apr 19, 2025, 3:16 AM

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@vague hemlock

gray lake Apr 19, 2025, 5:58 AM

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zinc narwhal https://pokepast.es/d4e5904ef2625729 can I get some thoughts on this

I actually think this looks pretty solid, just a couple of things you could consider. I think this puts a ton of pressure on offensive heatran to check stuff defensively which is pretty risky business, especially since ur defensive core struggles to switch into fairies and they can wear down even defensive heatran pretty easily. It could be worth to make heatran a specially defensive protect set with stealth rock and transferring the Z move over to Tapu Koko, while that wouldnt totally fix the lele and diancie matchup it would give you a way to target and surgically remove them with gigavolt havoc. Another potential route would be making Ting-Lu hippowdon, which would improve your matchup against mega diancie and volcarona at the cost of chipping much of your team down with ur own sandstorm, but the defensive synergy is there. The other thing is the buzzwole set, buzz is pretty niche overall but such sets have to run roost and generally something like ice punch, the set as it is is much to vulnerable to being worn down to be seriously considered. Not bad overall though, good stuff.

zinc narwhal Apr 19, 2025, 11:01 AM

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gray lake I actually think this looks pretty solid, just a couple of things you could cons...

Thanks a lot I’ll try these out

tepid condor Apr 19, 2025, 11:07 AM

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https://pokepast.es/c0203f8ede1203f2 hey got a tourn coming up with large group of friends lots around 1800 elo in Nat Dex trying to make a decent team any suggestions really appreciated

celest merlinBOT Apr 19, 2025, 11:07 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tepid condor Apr 19, 2025, 11:09 AM

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tepid condor https://pokepast.es/c0203f8ede1203f2 hey got a tourn coming up with large group ...

If it’s that bad I’ll restart

zinc narwhal Apr 19, 2025, 12:15 PM

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gray lake I actually think this looks pretty solid, just a couple of things you could cons...

this better now or is there any sets i should changehttps://pokepast.es/cd4a9b43fc163895

fresh sonnet Apr 19, 2025, 1:00 PM

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Hello, I was told to post my team here : https://pokepast.es/c5d4eb5403b859de

hard creek Apr 20, 2025, 12:06 AM

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https://pokepast.es/abf9ed7979636343

celest merlinBOT Apr 20, 2025, 12:06 AM

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potent furnace Apr 20, 2025, 12:09 AM

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what does tinkaton do here

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this feels like a 5 mon sun team with tinka

hard creek Apr 20, 2025, 12:10 AM

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someone said I needed a bulky steel

merry delta Apr 20, 2025, 12:11 AM

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Tinkaton is solid on a sun team

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But here? Hm

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you for sure need a tusk with yard

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maybe over lando

vague hemlock Apr 20, 2025, 12:12 AM

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You can just do Tran

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And get the same results and better

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I don’t see how this breaks pex fat the more I look

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Can also do terapagos > gambit but only if you want to

hard creek Apr 20, 2025, 12:15 AM

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so what are the changes

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;-;

vague hemlock Apr 20, 2025, 12:15 AM

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vague hemlock You can just do Tran

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This one

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And also turtle > gambit

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This gives you more consistent removal for yard alongside Lando

merry delta Apr 20, 2025, 12:16 AM

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We also need a tusk

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yard without tusk is like bread without butter surely

potent furnace Apr 20, 2025, 12:16 AM

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ya

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they just have such good synergy together

merry delta Apr 20, 2025, 12:16 AM

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I suggested that over lando

vague hemlock Apr 20, 2025, 12:17 AM

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That works

hard creek Apr 20, 2025, 12:17 AM

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no ground immune

merry delta Apr 20, 2025, 12:17 AM

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yard is technically so

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And if u make pagos ice beam / tusk bulky then u will be fine

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Probably.

hard creek Apr 20, 2025, 12:19 AM

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yard tusk bolt vic gamb pagos?

merry delta Apr 20, 2025, 12:19 AM

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tran > gambit

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but hm

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That arises the issue of Diancie

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So try ep on pagos

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Diancie is actually really shitty to play around

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You could try keeping tinkaton

hard creek Apr 20, 2025, 12:41 AM

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idk what to do 😭

vague hemlock Apr 20, 2025, 1:27 AM

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hard creek idk what to do 😭

There will always be mismatches that you can play around with effective play. Just test out the changes see if they work for you.

tender rover Apr 20, 2025, 3:00 AM

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https://pokepast.es/bf582bcddaea7d63
any advice?

merry delta Apr 20, 2025, 3:07 AM

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This is just

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A sample team but worse

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Because all u did was change melm to a tusk for some reason

vague hemlock Apr 20, 2025, 3:10 AM

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^

tender rover Apr 20, 2025, 3:10 AM

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so just go with the sample team?

hollow fern Apr 20, 2025, 3:20 AM

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https://pokepast.es/ff3e18d001b4c37a
any advice for this team?

merry delta Apr 20, 2025, 3:29 AM

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tender rover so just go with the sample team?

yes

hard creek Apr 20, 2025, 3:40 AM

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vague hemlock There will always be mismatches that you can play around with effective play. Ju...

whats the specific 6

potent furnace Apr 20, 2025, 3:33 PM

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hollow fern https://pokepast.es/ff3e18d001b4c37a any advice for this team?

wellspring is pretty rough into this

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I think just mega tios over lele and we’re good here though

hollow fern Apr 20, 2025, 3:40 PM

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What do you think about ferro vs heatran on this team? I chose heatran here since I already have several water resists. Also should I move the z to a different mon since I no longer have one?

potent furnace Apr 20, 2025, 4:59 PM

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i think heatran still works

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you also dont need a see

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if you're dead set on one you could do z howl zama but its honestly not that bad

hollow fern Apr 20, 2025, 5:02 PM

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Alr thx

vague hemlock Apr 20, 2025, 5:33 PM

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hard creek whats the specific 6

Tusk yard terapagos Tini bolt and heatran

hard creek Apr 20, 2025, 5:34 PM

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ok thx

eager drum Apr 20, 2025, 5:41 PM

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https://pokepast.es/56d3b26a8c2fe8fd
Manectric team.
Balloon Heatran is pretty much my only counter to Zard Y. Is there anything I can add/change to deal with Zard Y? thanks

celest merlinBOT Apr 20, 2025, 5:41 PM

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merry delta Apr 20, 2025, 5:45 PM

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To make actual use of manectric you need to be able to consistently offensively threaten ting lu which this structure doesn’t really do

eager drum Apr 20, 2025, 6:18 PM

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So what should I change?

tender rover Apr 20, 2025, 6:53 PM

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https://pokepast.es/3b1d4e47db3492f2
just made this, any improvements?
was gonna put clefable over tapu.

mortal gorge Apr 20, 2025, 9:44 PM

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https://pokepast.es/3b37bc784799c1de

vague hemlock Apr 20, 2025, 9:49 PM

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Lele and pon runs through this

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Heatran > Kingambit

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Make Lando defog

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I don’t see the need for swords dance val here make it specs with trick and make tapu koko pivot with either boots or elec Z

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Trick gives you a way to cripple fat teams

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Outside medi

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I think Alo can just be

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Dragonite

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Ngl

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This helps give you an out vs pon

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Helps versus sun teams which you currently lose to rn asw

mortal gorge Apr 20, 2025, 10:03 PM

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vague hemlock Heatran > Kingambit

What kind of heatran should I run?

vague hemlock Apr 20, 2025, 10:11 PM

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Spdef

sharp radish Apr 20, 2025, 10:13 PM

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https://pokepast.es/b4e43a3df0877876

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Is this a good team

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Someone sent me this

hollow fern Apr 20, 2025, 10:15 PM

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this is an old sample team but with defog>taunt on lando btw

sharp radish Apr 20, 2025, 10:21 PM

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Ohh I see

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Someone just sent it to me lol

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Just wanted a team with hisuin samurott and lando t

tender rover Apr 21, 2025, 5:35 AM

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https://pokepast.es/81d4e2fb52c29801

celest merlinBOT Apr 21, 2025, 5:35 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

potent furnace Apr 21, 2025, 5:46 AM

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not sure what that steela is doing ever

tender rover Apr 21, 2025, 5:47 AM

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what would be a better fit?

potent furnace Apr 21, 2025, 5:47 AM

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corv would be better

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since it lets you bring in breakers

tender rover Apr 21, 2025, 5:47 AM

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what moves?

potent furnace Apr 21, 2025, 5:47 AM

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ting Lu should also be leftovers

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just run the snogdex set

tender rover Apr 21, 2025, 5:47 AM

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for corv?

potent furnace Apr 21, 2025, 5:47 AM

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band dnite is also really bad into the metagame atm

potent furnace Apr 21, 2025, 5:48 AM

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tender rover for corv?

yes

tender rover Apr 21, 2025, 5:48 AM

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would loaded be better for dnite?

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im not gonna lie mr turtle been holding it down as my first draw

potent furnace Apr 21, 2025, 5:49 AM

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nah

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we need speed control and we need to not explode vs lele

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this is a scarf gholdengo job

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you can run 3attacks or recover it’s up to you

tender rover Apr 21, 2025, 5:51 AM

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just left my match okay so, corv for mr turtle

potent furnace Apr 21, 2025, 5:51 AM

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no

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corv over steela

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turtle is good

tender rover Apr 21, 2025, 5:51 AM

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whos steela?

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lmao

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nvm

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havent played that pokemon

potent furnace Apr 21, 2025, 5:52 AM

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if you’re running it it’s leftovers with leech seed and protect

tender rover Apr 21, 2025, 5:52 AM

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can u send a link to smog

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for corvi

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what item should i put?

potent furnace Apr 21, 2025, 5:53 AM

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just do /smogdex [pokemon]

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in showdown

tender rover Apr 21, 2025, 5:53 AM

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/smogdex corviknight

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ooo lmao

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is mirror armor better than pressure?

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and what about tera type

tender rover Apr 21, 2025, 6:07 AM

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potent furnace this is a scarf gholdengo job

replace dnight for goldengo?

potent furnace Apr 21, 2025, 6:07 AM

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mirror armor is bad pressure is good

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and yes

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gholdengo over dnite

tender rover Apr 21, 2025, 6:08 AM

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do i smogdex ghold

tender rover Apr 21, 2025, 6:18 AM

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potent furnace mirror armor is bad pressure is good

https://pokepast.es/a41e693938625545 this better?

potent furnace Apr 21, 2025, 6:20 AM

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scarf ghold

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not boots

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too slow otherwise

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other than that looks good

tender rover Apr 21, 2025, 6:26 AM

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potent furnace scarf ghold

what scarf choice or spec

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ohh wait nvm

ashen bear Apr 21, 2025, 12:05 PM

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https://pokepast.es/0d430a43daa73c36

celest merlinBOT Apr 21, 2025, 12:06 PM

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ashen bear Apr 21, 2025, 12:06 PM

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Sun webs

gray lake Apr 21, 2025, 2:57 PM

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ashen bear Sun webs

theres a solid sun structure in here but I don't think webs fits especially well with the playstyle, especially since sun really wants all of its pokemon to give some form of defensive utility. replacing it with something like defog kartana or terapagos would be ideal imo. Other than that I think the structure fits as a fine sun team though

ashen bear Apr 21, 2025, 8:21 PM

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I'm not gonna lie in was gonna go with a web zard y team

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Idk why i said sun webs mb

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Might seem a bit weird but this is it atm welcome to changes

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https://pokepast.es/30cb29a654af3b0d

celest merlinBOT Apr 21, 2025, 8:23 PM

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limber crypt Apr 21, 2025, 8:25 PM

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ashen bear https://pokepast.es/30cb29a654af3b0d

this is on the verge of being a very good webs team imo id really like to scrap the sun bit and just go dd moon, offensive tusk > mola, kingambit over yard and a diff sweeper over iron crown

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perhaps cm terapagos bc ppl never get to use that set

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Serperior is also an option as more waterpon insurance

ashen bear Apr 21, 2025, 8:26 PM

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I was thinking of specs valiant

limber crypt Apr 21, 2025, 8:27 PM

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cm or mixed may be better, choice locks on ho in general arent ideal

ashen bear Apr 21, 2025, 8:29 PM

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Alright

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https://pokepast.es/3d05e709a8d2fb89

ashen bear Apr 21, 2025, 8:30 PM

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limber crypt perhaps cm terapagos bc ppl never get to use that set

Does this look good?

limber crypt Apr 21, 2025, 8:31 PM

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solid to me

ashen bear Apr 21, 2025, 8:31 PM

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Cool

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Thanks for the help

potent furnace Apr 21, 2025, 8:35 PM

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minor thing here but imo offensive mzor over gambit

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having priority is always nice for webs + better into fairies

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since rn we have only ghold

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gambit's a little redundant with moon and ghold alr

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because ival can kinda just cook this

ashen bear Apr 21, 2025, 10:35 PM

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👍

gentle crystal Apr 22, 2025, 6:10 PM

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https://pokepast.es/cb88d7fe7fc5f18c

celest merlinBOT Apr 22, 2025, 6:10 PM

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red fox Apr 22, 2025, 9:24 PM

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https://pokepast.es/4cac672cba3251c9

pale python Apr 23, 2025, 9:18 AM

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https://pokepast.es/fc0a6ccbcba432b3

celest merlinBOT Apr 23, 2025, 9:18 AM

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minor thorn Apr 23, 2025, 12:34 PM

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https://pokepast.es/1e111b843f330e36

Any improvements that could be made?

potent furnace Apr 24, 2025, 7:37 AM

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minor thorn https://pokepast.es/1e111b843f330e36 Any improvements that could be made?

this looks pretty good overall

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only change I’d make is running encore over bond on ival

next forge Apr 24, 2025, 11:21 AM

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swords dance + focus sash >>> weakness policy + endure

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for ceruledge

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also surely close combat is better than shadow sneak atp

proven drift Apr 24, 2025, 3:55 PM

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never played natdex before but wanted to use xard, is this team usable?

fresh sonnet Apr 24, 2025, 5:49 PM

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hey, can you guys rate my team please ?
i've gotten to 1200-1300 with it but i'd like to know if it can work in higher ladder levels :

https://pokepast.es/81f7baf352f86a49

celest merlinBOT Apr 24, 2025, 5:49 PM

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ashen bear Apr 24, 2025, 6:24 PM

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https://pokepast.es/9f91835b2409d6e9 keep getting stuck at 1550 with this any tips?

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I don’t mind replacing pokemon or sets

fresh sonnet Apr 25, 2025, 11:36 AM

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alright i've updated my team could anyone tell me what they think about it ?
(pelipper and gambit are itemless because i wasn't sure what to run)

https://pokepast.es/7e1e8805963467e3

celest merlinBOT Apr 25, 2025, 11:36 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

pale python Apr 25, 2025, 1:28 PM

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https://pokepast.es/011eb146294f7793 could I get some tips on this team please

cunning nacelle Apr 25, 2025, 3:14 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ee5d3d97ca45f084

cunning nacelle Apr 25, 2025, 3:30 PM

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I'm struggling against roaring moon

gaunt stirrup Apr 25, 2025, 6:00 PM

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https://pokepast.es/16a1ddc1ab418fb1
Psydark spam test.

celest merlinBOT Apr 25, 2025, 6:00 PM

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potent furnace Apr 25, 2025, 6:01 PM

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I’d go hatt over gren here

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you’d like some form of hazard control

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Also cm over psyshock on mgarde

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I like taunt lucha asw since it lets you beat pex

gaunt stirrup Apr 25, 2025, 6:02 PM

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potent furnace I’d go hatt over gren here

Was wondering who to use. Thanks.

potent furnace Apr 25, 2025, 6:02 PM

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np

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other than those minor changes this looks good though

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just load the ebutton set for hatt

gaunt stirrup Apr 25, 2025, 6:03 PM

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Yerp.

potent furnace Apr 25, 2025, 6:03 PM

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don’t remember the exact set off the top of my head but it should work here

gaunt stirrup Apr 25, 2025, 6:03 PM

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potent furnace I like taunt lucha asw since it lets you beat pex

I could also slap on taunt on Garde over psyshock/cm, but taunt on Lucha is nice too.

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I really do enjoy sub Lucha.

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Lets me scout and whatnot.

potent furnace Apr 25, 2025, 6:03 PM

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I like taunt on lucha more since it denies haze from pex

gaunt stirrup Apr 25, 2025, 6:03 PM

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Ohhh, forgot about haze tbh.

potent furnace Apr 25, 2025, 6:04 PM

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the main things you’d use taunt for also block sub like tox/wisp etc

gaunt stirrup Apr 25, 2025, 6:04 PM

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Got it. 👍

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Thanks!

fair spindle Apr 25, 2025, 9:33 PM

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what should the final pokemon for this rain team be?
https://pokepast.es/2a1e29203e37c070

fair spindle Apr 25, 2025, 10:05 PM

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@limber crypt

limber crypt Apr 25, 2025, 10:27 PM

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fair spindle what should the final pokemon for this rain team be? https://pokepast.es/2a1e292...

we do rate full teams here, just as a disclaimer, but bc this is rain which is a pretty standard archetype: mpert last, np tornadus-t, eject button treads, and barraskewda > inteleon

fair spindle Apr 25, 2025, 10:27 PM

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limber crypt we do rate full teams here, just as a disclaimer, but bc this is rain which is a...

ty

fair spindle Apr 25, 2025, 10:28 PM

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limber crypt we do rate full teams here, just as a disclaimer, but bc this is rain which is a...

why eject button on treads?

limber crypt Apr 25, 2025, 10:30 PM

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bc rain is an offensive playstyle, it really like getting free pivots, and treads is a nice mon to take a decent and bringing smth in

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hdb is an option too if u r rly scared of hazards

fair spindle Apr 25, 2025, 10:31 PM

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limber crypt hdb is an option too if u r rly scared of hazards

hbd?

limber crypt Apr 25, 2025, 10:33 PM

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heavy duty boots

fair spindle Apr 25, 2025, 10:35 PM

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oh ty

stark sorrel Apr 25, 2025, 11:39 PM

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https://pokepast.es/4e238969a7fa9316 havent done movesets yet but you get the point

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prob gonna swap to booster on raging

gaunt stirrup Apr 26, 2025, 12:04 AM

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stark sorrel https://pokepast.es/4e238969a7fa9316 havent done movesets yet but you get the po...

SD Rilla is what I presume to be a sweeper Boom, but he’s more meant to be a wall breaker or support with grassy terrain.

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CB or terrain extender is what is most commonly used, but for this team, CB works most.

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But I don’t understand most of these members.

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Politoed is severely outclassed by Pelipper.

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Cloyster doesn’t tend to see usage and for good reason, he’s not too great in rain either.

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Skarmory is far too passive in a team like this, you’d want Corvi at best if you want a defensive pivot. But rain tends to always be HO, so remove Gallade for M-Swampert and remove Skarm for Barras or something across those lines.

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Idk how well Rilla functions on rain too.

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Atp, I’d js grab a rain sample, since the following mons don’t have too much synergy and are outclassed or don’t work in this type of archetype.

verbal storm Apr 26, 2025, 3:20 AM

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https://pokepast.es/16efb81f2ce678d1 First natdex team! I kinda just used my thoughts from gen 9 ou and moved them over here.

celest merlinBOT Apr 26, 2025, 3:20 AM

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stark sorrel Apr 26, 2025, 4:07 AM

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gaunt stirrup Politoed is severely outclassed by Pelipper.

i have a thing against peliper and i needed spdef

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and i was running rain as just support for rilla

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i hate rain teams

tender rover Apr 26, 2025, 8:40 AM

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https://pokepast.es/dc9e05302c4ba7c5
just made this any opinions on improvements?

tender rover Apr 26, 2025, 7:33 PM

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https://pokepast.es/618387882c1bc6ae

celest merlinBOT Apr 26, 2025, 7:33 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

ashen bear Apr 26, 2025, 7:55 PM

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https://pokepast.es/9f91835b2409d6e9 keep getting stuck at 1550 with this any tips?

stark sorrel Apr 26, 2025, 8:36 PM

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tender rover https://pokepast.es/dc9e05302c4ba7c5 just made this any opinions on improvement...

you need more megas

fresh sonnet Apr 26, 2025, 8:56 PM

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yo can you tell me what you think of that team ? i think i'm missing something. If your solution is to switch everything for rain then i'd prefer to throw out swampert and pelipper. Unless you don't have any other solution, of course.

https://pokepast.es/2e4f5725233f6959

stark sorrel Apr 26, 2025, 9:22 PM

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https://pokepast.es/866ed7818aafd207
yo i need help for the last 2

vernal hazel Apr 26, 2025, 11:24 PM

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https://pokepast.es/95fbf2e16ecc75a7 New to comp, appreciate any advice

stark sorrel Apr 27, 2025, 2:52 AM

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https://pokepast.es/a9c46cf614053884 rate the team

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stark sorrel Apr 27, 2025, 2:52 AM

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vernal hazel https://pokepast.es/95fbf2e16ecc75a7 New to comp, appreciate any advice

dis stall?

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isnt assault vest better on samurott

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for stall

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and a choice item with future sight is odd

limber crypt Apr 27, 2025, 3:07 AM

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fresh sonnet yo can you tell me what you think of that team ? i think i'm missing something. ...

I think u should just stidk to abusing rain if u want yo use mpert, standard rain structures are usually peli pert ferro archaludon zapdos barra, i can take this in a more hyper offense direction if youd like but id have to change more of the team

limber crypt Apr 27, 2025, 3:10 AM

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vernal hazel https://pokepast.es/95fbf2e16ecc75a7 New to comp, appreciate any advice

this isnt bad but im not the biggest fan of double psychic, my preference would peob be hdb zamazenta over latios and tang over amoonguss but i think this is fine as u have hamu and tusk to handle gambit

limber crypt Apr 27, 2025, 3:11 AM

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stark sorrel https://pokepast.es/a9c46cf614053884 rate the team

not the biggest guy for toekoal sun but hatt > mdia and rbolt > zera at the minimum, h-lilli can likely be dropped for smth more defensive as well

stark sorrel Apr 27, 2025, 3:20 AM

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limber crypt not the biggest guy for toekoal sun but hatt > mdia and rbolt > zera at the mini...

im running diancie as a wallbreaker

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and lilligant is my like primary sweeper

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i either clear with diancie or lilligant

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and lillis my speed control

stark sorrel Apr 27, 2025, 4:27 AM

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I could do zeraora tho

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I might do a swap to toxtricity tho

vernal hazel Apr 27, 2025, 12:29 PM

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stark sorrel dis stall?

I didn’t mean it to be stall is that how it turned out

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And yea I can switch out the choice item

vernal hazel Apr 27, 2025, 12:39 PM

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limber crypt this isnt bad but im not the biggest fan of double psychic, my preference would ...

Wouldn’t have any mega’s if I did that, I can switch amoonguss for tang, fix up leles set but yea what about a mega if I’m replacing latios

limber crypt Apr 27, 2025, 1:20 PM

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you dont need a mega, although in hindsight i dont like dropping latios as it leaves u rly opwn to yrd

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Dropping amoong for anything should work rly, tang is fine but it may not be what fits the team exactly

rigid torrent Apr 27, 2025, 1:27 PM

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sharp radish Just wanted a team with hisuin samurott and lando t

Hi mov

sharp radish Apr 27, 2025, 1:36 PM

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rigid torrent Hi mov

Who you

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🤨

rigid torrent Apr 27, 2025, 1:36 PM

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😼

sharp radish Apr 27, 2025, 1:36 PM

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I'm jk

rigid torrent Apr 27, 2025, 1:36 PM

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Did u put the rmt for the mlop team we made

sharp radish Apr 27, 2025, 1:36 PM

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Rmt?

rigid torrent Apr 27, 2025, 1:36 PM

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Rate my team

sharp radish Apr 27, 2025, 1:37 PM

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Ohh

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Nah

rigid torrent Apr 27, 2025, 1:37 PM

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Send it here if u havnt

sharp radish Apr 27, 2025, 1:37 PM

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Kk

proper yarrow Apr 27, 2025, 1:39 PM

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https://pokepast.es/f3a41ede4d62a5ca tried to make chomp+msciz

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vernal hazel Apr 27, 2025, 1:44 PM

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limber crypt you dont need a mega, although in hindsight i dont like dropping latios as it le...

gotchu ty and any idea on what i should replace amoonguss with? I mainly got it to check iron val tbh

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and also just a good tanky pokemon

limber crypt Apr 27, 2025, 2:50 PM

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oh if u need ival check pech is ur best bet, alwo doesnt immediately fold to pon which was why i suggested tang

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dengo is another option but ival can lure that a bit easier

proper yarrow Apr 27, 2025, 3:49 PM

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proper yarrow https://pokepast.es/f3a41ede4d62a5ca tried to make chomp+msciz

gmcat

limber crypt Apr 27, 2025, 5:13 PM

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proper yarrow https://pokepast.es/f3a41ede4d62a5ca tried to make chomp+msciz

has this struggled with qnything? It looks good i just think that scarf val and pivot pon arent as good as ppl claim they are

proper yarrow Apr 27, 2025, 5:57 PM

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limber crypt has this struggled with qnything? It looks good i just think that scarf val and ...

I haven't tried it yet, just wanted to know if there are any issues beforehand and if u think this team benefits from different woger and ival sets then I'm more than fine w/ it

limber crypt Apr 27, 2025, 6:10 PM

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well i would test it a bit first bc it looks solid, id be more willing to change stuff if it wasnt woking

proper yarrow Apr 27, 2025, 6:39 PM

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Alr 👍

tender rover Apr 27, 2025, 7:04 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d62fa21b81c926a6

stark sorrel Apr 27, 2025, 8:05 PM

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tender rover https://pokepast.es/d62fa21b81c926a6

zygarde?

tender rover Apr 27, 2025, 8:05 PM

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yup great pokemon

stark sorrel Apr 27, 2025, 8:05 PM

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idk about terapagos

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youre cooked if they get up spikes

tender rover Apr 27, 2025, 8:06 PM

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yea clearly you dont easy 2 ko

stark sorrel Apr 27, 2025, 8:06 PM

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or any damaging hazard

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cause yo ulose the shell

tender rover Apr 27, 2025, 8:06 PM

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hazards are for females

stark sorrel Apr 27, 2025, 8:06 PM

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yeah but everyone uses rocks

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oh hes boots

tender rover Apr 27, 2025, 8:07 PM

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everyone throws there hazard pokemon first i drop him with terap and rapid spin

stark sorrel Apr 27, 2025, 8:07 PM

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your teams like heavily offensive w/ like no great pivots

tender rover Apr 27, 2025, 8:07 PM

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i am the pivot

stark sorrel Apr 27, 2025, 8:08 PM

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and a pretty big weakness to mega diancie

tender rover Apr 27, 2025, 8:10 PM

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naaa i just slammed dianice never a problem

latent lark Apr 27, 2025, 11:15 PM

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What's a good wall for natdex OU?

stark sorrel Apr 27, 2025, 11:24 PM

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latent lark What's a good wall for natdex OU?

physical or special

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for overall id go ferrothorn

latent lark Apr 27, 2025, 11:24 PM

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Special

stark sorrel Apr 27, 2025, 11:25 PM

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ferrothorns good for special

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then you got both slowkings

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ttar

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blissey

latent lark Apr 27, 2025, 11:25 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-larvitar-cute-gif-27366081

Tenor

stark sorrel Apr 27, 2025, 11:25 PM

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umbreon

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porygon2

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lot of eviolite mons are good

latent lark Apr 27, 2025, 11:26 PM

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Alr cool

merry delta Apr 27, 2025, 11:59 PM

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Eviolite mons are not good

hollow fern Apr 27, 2025, 11:59 PM

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stark sorrel umbreon

umbreon with eviolite 🔥

merry delta Apr 27, 2025, 11:59 PM

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Umbreon / p2 are both unviable completely

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pls do not give such advice like that

stark sorrel Apr 28, 2025, 12:11 AM

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hollow fern umbreon with eviolite 🔥

no

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im just giving random ass options off memory

stark sorrel Apr 28, 2025, 12:12 AM

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merry delta Umbreon / p2 are both unviable completely

130 base spD is unviable ig

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hes not meta

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but hes not shit

merry delta Apr 28, 2025, 12:13 AM

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It’s shit yes

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It’s unranked for a reason

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Stats r not everything

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No usage past 1300s of nd ladder

rigid torrent Apr 28, 2025, 1:05 PM

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latent lark What's a good wall for natdex OU?

im pretty sure u can just google natdex cores then it will show u some defensive cores to build around

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not build around but idk

fresh sonnet Apr 28, 2025, 7:33 PM

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limber crypt I think u should just stidk to abusing rain if u want yo use mpert, standard rai...

it would be great if you could give me another option ! thank you for this solution already

stark sorrel Apr 29, 2025, 3:31 AM

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https://pokepast.es/e28ebaa5e50b708a

celest merlinBOT Apr 29, 2025, 3:31 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

stark sorrel Apr 29, 2025, 3:31 AM

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guys what should my last be

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for the skeledirge

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 11:04 AM

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https://pokepast.es/9d4aa89e9d869869
hmm any feedback on this? Its the first team that reliably gets me past the 1600s, ive been hovering from 1600-1800 (peak 1806 or so)

celest merlinBOT Apr 29, 2025, 11:04 AM

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quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 11:09 AM

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it feels like rly rly matchup fishy though, and has its problems. I js straight up cant break thru some teams, and some of the following can be straight up lose on preview:
toxic spikes
banded rillaboom
lokix
more i cant think of offhand
I kinda dont dare to change it that much though, since it did get me further than any other team, so im scared to change cuz idk what to change either. It used to be scope lens on kartana, then i realised grassium Z probably does the same thing but more reliable

i think it fares somewhat better past like the 1600s somehow, maybe bc ppl stop running stuff like mega banette, rain teams, etc as much at that point.

its funny cuz when i use this team i get stuck from 1400s-1600s for awhile, can take q awhile to break through

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 11:09 AM

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quartz holly https://pokepast.es/9d4aa89e9d869869 hmm any feedback on this? Its the first te...

i love how it only has 1 actl OU pokemon tho

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 11:17 AM

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quartz holly it feels like rly rly matchup fishy though, and has its problems. I js straight ...

its like
xurkitree cant break past ting-lu/chansey/blissey/clodsire - requires some support and careful palying for priority users
blaziken never breaks past alo/pex/clodsire is a maybe?
kartana js gets outsped and OHKOed by all those base 110 speed spatker (latios, mdiancie), need to have enuf health for stuff like roaring moon/kingambit. Or even gholdengo stops it
cloyster is actl alo/raging bolt bait, its amazing whenever that actl works. almost any steel type walls it tho
polteageeist can actl get past roaring moon with screens support and when the opponent doesnt realise its physically defensive but probably dies to priority aftw - cant get past offensive dark types - can actl break past defensive ones (ting-Lu if its the last mon so no whirlwind, tyrannitar (some chip is nice)) and maybe pivot ones (assault vest/boots meowscrada/roaring moon) with some luck

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i guess one thing i js love is that ppl arent directly prepared for the sweepers i run here cuz they arent common at all

proper yarrow Apr 29, 2025, 11:46 AM

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quartz holly https://pokepast.es/9d4aa89e9d869869 hmm any feedback on this? Its the first te...

the most braindead cheese team of all time

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 11:55 AM

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proper yarrow the most braindead cheese team of all time

yeah, sorry 😓.. i was wondering if anyone can tell me how to make it less cheesy while still keeping at least one of polteageist/xurkitree/cloyster and screens, i rly liked them

proper yarrow Apr 29, 2025, 11:56 AM

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i mean. its working u hit 1800

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 12:07 PM

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Hmm the cheese could also be improved, blaziken feels like it’s underperforming rn

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Kartana is also kinda eh now that I think abt it

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Rly helpful for the stall matchup tho

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Wait is there any rule against cheese teams here?

proper yarrow Apr 29, 2025, 12:52 PM

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No

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 2:59 PM

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stark sorrel https://pokepast.es/e28ebaa5e50b708a

wait wheres the electric in this lol

carmine hamlet Apr 29, 2025, 11:02 PM

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quartz holly https://pokepast.es/9d4aa89e9d869869 hmm any feedback on this? Its the first te...

this is hilarious and looks really fun

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but not much to work on since it seems to be a mashup of cheese mons.. if anything SD grassium kart with frustration is dubious, would probably make that fightinium with knock off over frustration

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actually grassium is prolly fine but need knock to hit gholdengo

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 11:09 PM

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carmine hamlet this is hilarious and looks really fun

Yay thanks

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 11:09 PM

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carmine hamlet but not much to work on since it seems to be a mashup of cheese mons.. if anythi...

Hmmm

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Frustration was to hit all the flying types

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 11:10 PM

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carmine hamlet actually grassium is prolly fine but need knock to hit gholdengo

Than what abt like

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Zard Y

carmine hamlet Apr 29, 2025, 11:12 PM

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yeah you lose a bit of damage to yard

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but all the other flyings take same amt from knock

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 11:12 PM

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Hmmm true

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Okay

carmine hamlet Apr 29, 2025, 11:12 PM

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you also get to hit glowkinh

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 11:13 PM

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Ok I’ll put knock

quartz holly Apr 29, 2025, 11:14 PM

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carmine hamlet you also get to hit glowkinh

Do u have any idea of what to replace blaziken with

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