#NatDex OU Rates

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vale ridge
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Then Gren benifits from easier kills

vague hemlock
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Using and playing samples teach you about what mons synergize well

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Gren unfortunately isn’t good

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I don’t even think it’s ranked in our format

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3 mins here are ranked however ghold Sciz and Sam

vale ridge
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Gren is ranked.

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Hold on lemme check rq to make sure Im not wrong about where in c tier.

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But it is in c somewhere

vague hemlock
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Ghold and Sam could work granted this team would need a complete overhaul which it wouldn’t be your team anymore

vale ridge
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Right by Dondozo and Mega Gyarados

vague hemlock
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Ok yeah it is

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But like

vale ridge
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At least my frog is recognized 😭

vague hemlock
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It’s the type of mon that needs support so running mons that are also bad kinda…well you get it

vale ridge
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Yeah

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It did the idea right but after winning a bunch the first day the second day had only losses.

vague hemlock
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Yeah give those resources a try id be happy to help anytime. Also That looks fun but prob not gonna win alot of matches haha.

vale ridge
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Yeah the idea was with access to a strong fire type move Gren can melt things like Ferro.

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Pretty much taking his coverage to the next level.

vale ridge
vale ridge
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I'll just look at everything here.

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Or at least try to.

vague hemlock
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Ghold and Sam is a fine start but I wouldn’t recommend building till you like understand team building a bit more

vale ridge
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I tried again

vale ridge
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Hey isn't Greninja very anti meta right now?

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Greninja shuts down a lot of common mons like Gholdengo Gliscor Landorus etc.

vale ridge
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I guess Gren has always been this way just by having Ice Beam though.

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It isnt really unique either as a lot of water types have it.

rigid torrent
rigid torrent
vale ridge
plush lintel
celest merlinBOT
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vale ridge
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Melmetal!

sharp radish
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Give me suggestions

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U can change anything

rigid torrent
sharp radish
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I mean hi

rigid torrent
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Hi

sharp radish
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Prr server

rigid torrent
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Yeah what abt it

sharp radish
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Nothing

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Anyways

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What should I change

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sharp radish
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Oo ok

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Thanks

sharp radish
rigid torrent
sharp radish
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No prob all good

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rigid torrent
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Looks good only thing I'd change is maybe the pult set and run some boots pivot to get medi in better

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Smth like draco wisp darts u turn

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Hex>darts I'm silly

plush lintel
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idea was to abuse pult + medi breaking power

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specs helps pult break physical walls like corv for medi, and medi does the same with special walls like blissey and uhh the clodsire thingy

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pivot seems ok tho, but this set has pivot with uturn too

rigid torrent
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and if ur locked in with shadow ball they can obv just switch

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altho just try them both id say

plush lintel
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true, alright

plush lintel
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@rigid torrent

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ferro for melm for wogre MU?

rigid torrent
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just play and test it out then make changes accordingly

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or u can send me the replays that u lose and ill see whats going on

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vague hemlock
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Ttar and koko together feels a bit weird here idk I feel you should either commit to the sand or terrain

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You currently have no reliable answers to ghold either

mortal gorge
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What would you reccomend?

reef thicket
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monotype dragon ( if anyone know how to help me to switch that black kyurem and make the team better i will be thankfull ( i was thinking about Kingdra ) (ps idont want to use dragapult) https://pokepast.es/6e90cfe769a6e1be heavy duty boots on dragonite and idk how to clear hazards ngl /Weather Ball switched for Ice Beam or maybe kyurem

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ty in advance

cyan coral
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https://pokepast.es/21c24040091fb082 Hey, I'm coming back to gen9 and looking at bazaar teams and such I made this but I'm unsure on what improvements I can make. I know its flawed from testing it but I'm unsure what I can add to it and replace to make it stronger. Overall its just an HO team with koko as the screener. Thanks in advance for the help ❤️

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https://pokepast.es/22d5dc12de61518f Finally settled on a team after a whole bunch of experimentation. Lil bit worried about lack off an unaware wall but think I can work around it with what I have, criticism welcome

solar valley
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https://pokepast.es/e4e56e8f3ac07d91
is this good? I liked melmetal and built a team around it, it feels good to use after testing a few times and won all battles (low ladder might not count)

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Will do all these today if no one else does

cyan coral
# cyan coral https://pokepast.es/e921b5b918164a5c struggle m diancie, lele, and mega lop. I ...

https://pokepast.es/10899cbeccbee254

ok so i adjusted the team. I found volcarona to be the weakest link so I swapped it with iron crown which gave me a Mega diancie counter as well as being a decent wall against things like raging bolt, serperior, and dragapult if they are choice locked to draco. I also replaced hatterene with defog lando to better deal with threats like mega lop, zeraora, and just fast melee attackers that my team struggled with in general.

Been testing the team in 1400's and I think I mostly struggle with dragapult and just faster teams in general

cerulean jolt
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cyan coral
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tall tendon
cyan coral
cerulean jolt
# cerulean jolt https://pokepast.es/6592dc0be7c4045c made some more adjustments

https://pokepast.es/684ee18e9b336c5f

Further adjustments, considering replacing Tapu-koko with physically bulky Electrode-Hisui (taunt, discharge, chloroblast, volt switch, held item electrium Z, aftermath.) If so might replace nuzzle on Hatterene with trick room? or maybe reflect. Looking to get more value out of it as utility outside of para and status cleanse.

Also considering hex/toxic/knock off for sableye's attacking move

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robust vine
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What is for u the best team Natdex ?

mortal gorge
vague hemlock
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vague hemlock
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Take note of what I mentioned above I’ll be here if you have any further questions questions

vague hemlock
# cobalt skiff https://pokepast.es/21c24040091fb082 Hey, I'm coming back to gen9 and looking at...

Going to be honest I do like the idea however I’m not a fan of two choice mons here they don’t benefit from screens. Also I tried using mega gyra but this Mon pretty bad ngl dozo still checks it very well so it doesn’t fufill its stall breaking niche well like it used to. Some changes I would make is

  1. Ogerpon-W > serp a Mon that actually benefits from screens and is more immediately threatening.

Ogerpon-Wellspring @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Ivy Cudgel
  • Power Whip
  • Superpower

You can also run play rough to hit dragons but I think super power is more useful on Hyper offense.

  1. Kingambit > weavile just over all a better dark type and gets stronger if you lose mons has the ability to flip the game it played right. Also it’s a more sturdy ghost resist than weavile.

Kingambit @ Black Glasses
Ability: Supreme Overlord
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Knock Off
  • Sucker Punch
  • Low Kick

You can run lefties/air balloon/ lum berry if you please depends on your style. You can also run jolly to outspeed the more common adamant variants of opposing gambit.

  1. Dragapult > gyrados more immediately threatening gives your team a more consistent speed control option and can take advantage of pokemon like toxapex and Alomomola with subsitute which gambit would appreciate. Will-o-wisp also cripples the inevitable dark type switch ins to pult so you can run that over sub (if you want) at thr cost of being passive into opposing gambit.

Dragapult @ Ghostium Z
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Dragon Dance
  • Phantom Force
  • Dragon Darts
  • Will-O-Wisp
  1. Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
    Ability: Quark Drive
    EVs: 108 Atk / 148 SpA / 252 Spe
    Naive Nature
  • Moonblast
  • Close Combat
  • Knock Off
  • Destiny bond

Last change id make destiny bond is one of my favorite moves to use on Val when running hyper offense due to the fact it can force trades vs its most sturdiest check Gholdengo.

vague hemlock
# cerulean jolt https://pokepast.es/684ee18e9b336c5f Further adjustments, considering replacing...

Going to be honest this team has little to no synergy. It’s important to consider why Pokémon should be in a team together. Also too many lower ranked mons on the vr that themselves need support. Some are only seen on specific playstyles like mega sableye. I would encourage you to use the resources and read out viability rankings to help you develop understanding of teambuilding. Also our sample which are built by experts of the metagame.

celest merlinBOT
reef thicket
vague hemlock
# mortal gorge https://pokepast.es/25aa55cd6c067215

Honestly not bad but I see this having trouble breaking fat I suggest you run trick > shadowball on iron valiant since your ghold and Sam covers the ghost and slowking galar already.

  1. I would do dragonite > raging bolt this gives you a win condition vs rain teams which you lack and also a much need zard y switch in.

  2. Don’t run Defog rocks is commit to one or the other since it’s an offensive team you can forgo removal if you are fine with that. That’s all the changes I can suggest though Goodluck

vague hemlock
reef thicket
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Can u rate this one is not mono btw

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Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 242 HP / 168 Def / 92 Spe
Impish Nature

  • Stealth Rock
  • Earthquake
  • Dragon Tail
  • Fire Fang

Dragonite @ Life Orb
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Dragon Dance
  • Extreme Speed
  • Earthquake
  • Roost

Abomasnow-Mega @ Abomasite
Ability: Snow Warning
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Blizzard
  • Giga Drain
  • Shadow Ball
  • Focus Blast

Torkoal @ White Herb
Ability: Drought
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature

  • Shell Smash
  • Earthquake
  • Clear Smog
  • Flame Charge

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Healer
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Toxic
  • Soft-Boiled
  • Reflect
  • Protect

Starmie @ Assault Vest
Ability: Natural Cure
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

  • Rapid Spin
  • Blizzard
  • Psychic
  • Thunderbolt
vague hemlock
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A paste would be better for readability

reef thicket
cobalt skiff
vague hemlock
mortal gorge
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Dragonite @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Dragon Dance
  • Earthquake
  • Ice spinner
  • Roost
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This one

mortal gorge
vague hemlock
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Anytime

cobalt skiff
cerulean jolt
vague hemlock
vague hemlock
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I realize you do not have one

cobalt skiff
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i was thinking lando originally but im unsure into ice

vague hemlock
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Can prob do lando > chomp

cobalt skiff
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ok

vague hemlock
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Nah should be good you got gambit

cobalt skiff
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true true

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thanks

vague hemlock
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Np

cobalt skiff
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what set should i run on it

vague hemlock
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Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 32 Def / 224 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • U-turn
  • Taunt
  • Stealth Rock
  • Earthquake
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You can do the sash set but I think you’ll get more out of this one

cobalt skiff
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kk thanks for all the help

cyan coral
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solar valley
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vague hemlock
# solar valley https://pokepast.es/e4e56e8f3ac07d91 is this good? I liked melmetal and built a ...

Few changes id suggest here

  1. Iron defense press Zamazenta

Gives you a much needed kingabit check and more reliable speed control.

Zamazenta @ Leftovers
Ability: Dauntless Shield
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Iron Defense
  • Body Press
  • Crunch
  • Substitute
  1. Make volcarona bulky

Volcarona @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 248 HP / 176 Def / 84 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Timid Nature

  • Quiver Dance
  • Flamethrower
  • Hidden Power Ground
  • Roost

Better longevity to allow it to check stuff like iron valiant.

  1. You lack a ghost resist I don’t really like melm here it’s kinda hard to fit in suggesting another steel in gambit to put a stop to the shadowball spam. Alternatively, you can do stealth rock ting-Lu > chomp to have a ghost check and ground type that makes you much more consistent into bolt which currently has free rein.

  2. I would be wary of the ogerpon matchup as you do not have a consider check into it at the moment.

vague hemlock
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keen flare
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actually this might be my second or third but whatever

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celest merlinBOT
keen flare
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Timid heavy slam was peak

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peaked #3 on ladder

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joey used it

vague hemlock
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Just cause Joey used it doesn’t mean it’s good or optimal

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Also our ladder is not very good

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Tournament play is more in line with our meta as the ladder unfortunately is not a good indication in the slightest

keen flare
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oh yeah /j on that all the way btw

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second worst team I've made

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vague hemlock
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😂

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I hate that Mon

keen flare
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back before I was really into comp I ran a mono normal team and it was kinda the shit

cyan coral
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vague hemlock
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Moonblast kinda free

solar valley
vague hemlock
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To drop crunch just makes you ass into ghold

solar valley
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but who should I replace zama witg

vague hemlock
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Will take a look later bit busy

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https://pokepast.es/8778bec209f686a4

Scizor offence with a defensive backbone using FF Heatran for chip, fast defensive Lando to reduce hazard pressure with a decently fast taunt and Defog, Electrium Z Koko to eliminate physically defensive mons and grass knot to pressure Rain, Specs Dragapult with Infiltrator to bypass Substitutes especially from Zama and a standard Ogerpon

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safe wraith
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Any Changes?

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vague hemlock
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(Resisting fairy is good for your team(

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https://pokepast.es/d5402d6f195ca40c

thoughts on what I could change? the basic strategy is to weaken the team with spikes/ruination/whirlwind from tinglu until it dies, kill something thats low with kartana/blacephalon and sweep with beast boost but priority and pursuit kinda fuck me.

rigid torrent
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Double scarf?

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Exca and ting ?

safe wraith
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cyan coral
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vague hemlock
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For gambit

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Ngl to you sun teams shouldn’t drop gambit I think it’s a mandatory slot

cyan coral
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also ogerpon with play rough is kinda tough

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lopunny with triple axel also just 6-0's my team

cyan coral
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also dont I still have a lele problem?

safe wraith
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figured it out

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cyan coral
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Tran is good yes

cyan coral
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Oh ok ima try it

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also im considering switching flame thrower with magma storm for the stall matchup

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rigid torrent
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Solgaleo is usually a defensive mon so idk if scarf suits

vague hemlock
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Not bad but few issues

  1. Drop av on terapagos makes spinning hard as you rack up hazard damage on a Mon that is supposed to be hazard control.

  2. Drop aqua jet on urshifu it should run ice spinner as that help it respond to stuff like Dragonite at +1.

  3. Make dengo nasty plot

  4. Drop tini for a proper ghost resist prion av gambit

vague hemlock
cyan coral
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Both are similar but eruption is insanely strong

rigid torrent
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Isn't it 180 base power or am I buggin

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hollow radish
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180 * 299 from Victini
150 * 359 from Tran

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Ok so Heatran is stronger but like

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That’s the same in my book

vague hemlock
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Yeah fair lmao didn’t feel like mathing

cyan coral
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I guess heatran can one shot things like tusk while tini cant

cyan coral
vague hemlock
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Ye

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I like tini more

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started playing natdex today. need tips for improvement in teambuilding

cerulean jolt
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https://pokepast.es/bdb7c879c15b433f

I also made a rain team that tries to disincentive water type switch ins and tries to bait them to use neutral fire type dmg on archa or regieleki(sometimes venusar even through thick fat special fire is decent dmg)

Sleep powder/sludge bomb lead
Pelipper pivot can sometimes be a lead
Or regieleki can

Regieleki and Coal function as pseudo sweepers/punishes especially with regieleki packing acrobatics baiting balloon break

Archa can also sweep if not enough threats/gets setup in the rain with sp.A boosts

considering mixup on pelipper between toxic/defog. Most ppl don't/won't expect the toxic which helps with tankier teams, and worried about defog hitting a defiant target/clearing my own hazards. Stealth rocks let speed boosted coal run down half the roster/dont really wanna gamble on flinch chances

notes appreciated

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(Also name is not meant to be cocky PRO = Pokemon Revolution Online)

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(Also realizing i left a note to myself to check coalossal's speed boosted stats against speed tiers so gonna go do that rq

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(-1 speed EV +1 SpD EV. Walking wake is uber so dont need to worry about outspeeding at +6 and 478x3 still outspeeds iron jugulis)

Edit: thinking about it leaning towards defog on pelipper bc spikes kinda would rip my team a new one...

Edit 2: I wonder if there's anyway I could slip taunt in... hmmm

Edit 3: Maybe... maybe taunt/knock off on clefable? lil worried about people setting up on it tho

Edit 4: What if.... what if support grimmsnarl instead of clefable?

Edit 5: would mean no stealth rocks and no wish support...... hmmmm

Edit 6: Screaming tail? Might need to put a dark/ghost move somewhere for coverage but... hmmm

Scream Tail @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 8 SpA / 160 SpD / 88 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Psychic
  • Calm Mind
  • Wish
  • Stealth Rock

Edit 7: Not sure calm mind is the move, no unaware makes it harder to setup in someones face and no ghost resist on team to soak a swap/coverage move.... maybe dark type move on scream instead of calm mind? Alternatively could replace giga drain on venusaur... hmmm

Edit 8: Thinking about running psychic/ice beam with 252+ SpA to punish fighting threats, also one shots offensive landerous therian and has chance to one shot gliscor. Makes it squishier for switch ins especially those with setup but would help with my coverage

Edit 9: Tapu bulu to patch up lack of ground resist and further bait fire type moves to power colossal?

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vague hemlock
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Yeah that could be fine depends if you have speed control out of sun what is the current paste?

shy dune
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is a grass type really integral

pure tangle
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I just wanted to have a grass mon to complete the fire water grass trio, other than that I kinda wanted it for assurance aganist possible rain teams

shy dune
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in general you don't always NEED a specific type technically

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the exception is a ground type

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because of volt switch

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but even then

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you could use a mon with volt absorb instead or something

pure tangle
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but idk if its worth using depending on which team comp works best

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Probably from testing the worst is the first one due to ferrothorn not being able to switch but other than that the other 3 work decently

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https://pokepast.es/ca5105b0f60fefbf thoughts for improvement? 🫡 Was able to reach 1700+, but dropped recently to 1674, feel like some match-ups are exhausting. Was also thinking about sub > taunt on Gyara

limber crypt
# vast tendon https://pokepast.es/5be976d302509002

has this struggled with anything? Traditional hos like this are generally easy to build, i think the only thing that might annoy you is moon and gambit stacking weaknesses so crown > gambit is an option but its hardly necessary

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alr ill try this out thx

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boreal isle
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Thank you! I appreciate it. You think iron crown > rachi is a move? Only thing that “scares” me is just focus blast inconsistency, but I do like crowns stat distribution much better + quarkdrive can help w/ the match up into e-terrain teams.

limber crypt
boreal isle
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Got ya. Weakness Policy & Agility > Booster speed & Iron Defense.

I’ve seen many crown run iron defense w/ booster speed. Both sounds good IMO.

vast tendon
limber crypt
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it flops like noodles vs kingambit

limber crypt
vast tendon
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any ev spread u rec?

boreal isle
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Got ya. My mind was just thinking idef to help the gambit match up but I shall give these recommendations a spin. Thanks!

cerulean jolt
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https://pokepast.es/03493394527bdde2

Team's been workin well so far, mostly trying to get spikes out on the field/keep hazards off my side.

Considering assault vest/leftovers on terapagos

Considering replacing Tinkaton with galarian zapados as a way to punish defog but also trying to have something to threaten punish heatran and landerous-therian. ;-; could use second opinion.

edit: Also considering toxapex to just eat earthquakes and threaten landerous/heatran

edit 2: also considering bulky/utility hydreigon

limber crypt
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i think it would be a good idea to take one of these mons and look at samples to get a better idea of how to use them

iron tangle
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iron tangle
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Scizor offence with defensive core of Heatran/Lando, specs Draga to punish subID Zama, Z Koko for a surprise nuke and standard ogerpon to reduce pressure from rain teams

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With Dragapult being suspected I’m thinking of changing the team up in case it gets banned

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But Zamazenta becomes more of an issue after that

limber crypt
iron tangle
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Although I would say gknot can be dropped for dgleam

merry delta
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Roost is best on Koko here

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U don’t use it because it walls stuff u use it for longevity sake

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Against hazards and against weak stuff like tornt hits / pex scalds

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In comparison, gknot does nothing

iron tangle
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Hmm alright then

merry delta
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Specs isn’t a necessary removal for sure, but wisphex does just fine vs. most zama sets

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Since, well, you burn it

iron tangle
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Is there a reliable replacement in the event Pult gets banned

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Or would I need to rebuild the team by then

merry delta
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Probably not that mon isn’t rlly replaceable

iron tangle
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Alright fair point

merry delta
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Rebuilding would be smarter if the event does happen, but don’t worry about that right now

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Still got 2 weeks that’s plenty of time to use the team before pult is banned (if it even is at all)

iron tangle
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Been testing this team for a while actually, my RMT just kept getting missed over

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Feels like Ogerpon might need an adjustment on the set as well

merry delta
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Could work with like pivotpon

iron tangle
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Maybe not the spike stack set then

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Since my main removal is defog

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U-turn, cudgel, knock, play rough maybe?

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https://pokepast.es/a9b8655355fd390e

tried to make a pory z team. Basic breaking core is specs bolt + porygonz. Bolt wears down walls like ting lu, ferro,iron crown etc for porygon to break through late game is the idea. Any feed back would be appreciated because I really dont know what im doing here

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Forretress is pretty bad

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Use Ferrothorn over it on rain stuff

zinc sparrow
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ok, what other changes do you recommend?

merry delta
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Try fog on peli over cane for some kind of removal; you might as well go regular offensive Zapdos with boots 3a instead of specs, and I imagine power whip would be better on ogerpon here. Try putting rocks on swamp > ice punch and make ferro spikes

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Archaludon should have speed invest and aura sphere over press

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merry delta
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Horn leech

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k thx

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lament jetty
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Boots and lefties are all better here (boots are better)

cerulean jolt
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You sub up on it with sub anyways, and it isn’t even that prevalent

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Anyone have a good porygon team?

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Balance/Bulky Offense ig? Idk tbh.

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Small changes from before, leftovers for Kyurem and leech life for Buzzwole since didnt see point of having roost instead when can have drain punch & leech life instead

Also flamethrower instead of ice beam on goodra

Also consider HP rock instead of knock of on tornadus-therian to have better char Y answer

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Tbh I wouldn't worry half as much about having a rapid spinner and look for something better

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Phys bulky heatran would provide some patching of holes and opportunities for gliscor to switch in

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If you still want a a pivot consider tornadous-therian. With certain ev spread can live and outspeed char Y and has good coverage

fossil axle
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on paper

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0 SpA Cyclizar Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Charizard-Mega-Y: 109-129 (36.7 - 43.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

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ok nvm

cerulean jolt
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Oof

fossil axle
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it tanks but does no damage back

cerulean jolt
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Das not guud

fossil axle
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im also worried about woger and kyurem

cerulean jolt
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Lemme eat my chicken and get back to this

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If you can find a way to get stealth on the field before char is on the field somehow dragon tail could help

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Hear me out, raging bolt?

fossil axle
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that could work tbh

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more speed control + blanket checks zardy and woger

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i was thinking about pex over cyclizar as well

fossil axle
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since im going off of no removal

cerulean jolt
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Probably boots imo. It's already threatening enough to defoggers/rapid spin with disgusting spA. +you could run it with twave to catch switch ins

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Tbh i might consider ice fang on gliscor to have better punish for ground, though might have to math that out against facade

fossil axle
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im already thinking volt draco and tclap

cerulean jolt
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If you're still worried about hazards taunt would be a better option, twave is just annoying af though would suck twave into a ground swap

fossil axle
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yeah true

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i like twave but what would it catch?

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could be good for hex ghold too

cerulean jolt
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Mostly fairy/maybe ferrothorn/kartana/heatran would probs swap into it

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Taunts probs a safer option just bc everyone and their mother packs a ground these days

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But if they try to double swap it's a bigger punish

fossil axle
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oh yeah ferro is big

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forgot he was here ngl

cerulean jolt
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You hit him for neutral but he gets haz unless you absol

fossil axle
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should i make gliscor more spd? its eved to outspeed timid heatran but hes my heatran switch in as well

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idk how much gli takes from something like modest storm

cerulean jolt
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Taunt would also be 10x better to kill stall, would makenu really strong

I'd want my gli to always outspeed heatran imo, can check smo calc. Usually can take 3. Getting trapped sucks ass tho

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Extra speed roosting before incoming hit could save tho

fossil axle
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252 SpA Heatran Magma Storm vs. 244 HP / 152 SpD Gliscor: 172-204 (48.8 - 57.9%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO after Poison Heal and trapping damage

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tbh good enough for me

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just fast roost on it

cerulean jolt
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Earthquake also, especially if you bait it on ghol or bolt

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thank you, i feel like bolt fits nicely w this sort of team

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👍 happy to help, no idea how ur gonna get safe mega ab off tho wo

fossil axle
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yea the unfortunate part of using mega absol

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probably raging bolt volt into absol on like glowking or something

cerulean jolt
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Ye, certain times u could start with it. Don't know too many psychos that put their fairy type in front in this day and age of steel

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Not rn not in the mood but I’ll get to it

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Chat did I cook with this one?

Edit: considering looking for a sub sweeper that can rapid spin also and still has good rez to possible replace Komo. Current canidates are Quaqua/tatsugiri/cyclizar

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also since ur inly using rocks I'd just say drop em all together and go curse so ferro can be more threatening and get more done

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imo

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any strong electric type pivoting could cause you lotsa problems and no fairy type coverage. Only thing I'd put in front of a fairy on ur team is ursh and its an ez bait to swap in a rocky helm ferro/gar

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i could go no slack off but that seems mid

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That’s an sv ou team

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Whole different meta

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So it doesn t work ?

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I m not searching an ultra competitive team

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No tera

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So iron moth has it for no reason

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okay

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  • why are you running sunny day excadrill?
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  • you'd be better off running a diff item on heatran+replacing power gem with something like toxic
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been having fun with this and its worked decently in 1500-1600, anything you guys see that would be an improvement? Slowbro is a bit of a questionmark to me

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looks quite

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horrible tb

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would like some advice im semi new to team building

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Im using mono dark except one coverage mon

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# normal nebula Im using mono dark except one coverage mon

With how common fairy type is in this day and age id recommend against a team focused around dark types. But if you're dead set on having a lot of em, maybe figure out what you want your game plan to be first? Like, ehat do you want to be your wincon and then build around that.

For example: maybe your wincon is whittling down Mega Tyranitars checks and getting dual screens up to allow him to sweep.

Then build around that idea

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yea thats like confusing for me but also I am dead locked because its actually for a server and I wanna try to become dark gym leader

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I did build somewhat around tyranitar

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but tyraintar isnt the sweeper its weevile

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also I barely use toxic spikes on meow because its choice and like tbh idk why I have it ig just idk what else to use again

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but it has to be 5 dark I do get one coverage

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but I made a different team and it was trash and this one works somewhat

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I just dont know how to teambuild very well

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that is a good idea

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what other items might be good

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Also maybe use toxic instead since you've got little options for truly switching into better matchups since most opponents will come in with super effective against dark types

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I.e. ur opponent probs won't switch much

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Also are u allowed a mega?

normal nebula
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yes I am

cerulean jolt
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Mega tyranitar with 3 attacks and twave would be good

normal nebula
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yea

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equake, stone edge, kncok off sound good

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Ye, also I'd say replace knock off on Muk, feel like he won't get much val

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By the time he switches in

normal nebula
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what other move would u recc

cerulean jolt
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Uhhh lemme

normal nebula
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also I could make him have more moves by replacing rest and sleep talk with drain punch

cerulean jolt
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Crunch/last out?

If you don't replace rest/talk you could add rest/drain/crunch/belch and a chesto berry for an unexpected amount of special power while giving it plenty of healing

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I think going fast is your best option if ur a gym leader. Any effort to stall will be met with constant super effective attacks all things considered

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Honestly would replace defog on corv with iron def. Or brave bird just to apply more pressure

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ok thanks

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lost of stuff I didnt consider

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crunch ill prob use for more constant dmg

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Also maybe trick/scarf on grimm to prevent ppl from cheesing your lead with a dark types blocking taunt/parting shot

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plus if it procs a defense good chance they will switch it out

cerulean jolt
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Trick instead of taunt*

normal nebula
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idk why it has taunt

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but alright

cerulean jolt
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To prevent haz/setup on it

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Trick + scarf does similar

normal nebula
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well i mean I didnt mean to add it

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which scarf

cerulean jolt
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Choice scarf. Locks their setup/hazard

normal nebula
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but also wouldnt light clay be the best item

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hmm ig thats fair

cerulean jolt
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Light clay us nice but having a dark type setup in your face could be disastrous

normal nebula
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why is that

cerulean jolt
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Tbh might drop refelct and just keep light screen

normal nebula
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ok

cerulean jolt
normal nebula
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fair enough

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also meow doesnt get toxic

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only posion move it gets is toxicspikes

cerulean jolt
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Oof, toxic spikes it is then

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Also maybe replace reflect with t-wave and stealth rocks back on mega-t instead of twave

vale ridge
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I don't like the cat.

cerulean jolt
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Plus could save him from boosted fairy sweep

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dark is a hard type to do

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bc like

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it has not alot of good Stab moves

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but uh idk

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grimm gonna be like

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cooked with anything with playrough

vale ridge
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There's plenty of good dark mons in ND OU imo.

cerulean jolt
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At least u can t-wave their fairy type outta the gate and then use corv to pivot

normal nebula
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but its the problem being that being a mono dark is like hard

vale ridge
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Why not try out Nat Dex monotype?

normal nebula
normal nebula
vale ridge
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There's a gamemode where you have to use a monotype team.

normal nebula
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oh its not for mainly showdown

vale ridge
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Cobblemon/Pixelmon...

normal nebula
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its for a server that I wanna be a gym leader on

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yea

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cobblemon

vale ridge
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😭 dude

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Im sorry to break it to u but

normal nebula
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❓

vale ridge
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theres a rule...

normal nebula
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uh oh

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what rule

vale ridge
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!pixelmon

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normal nebula
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then its not for pixelmon

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its for showdown

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lol

cerulean jolt
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He's just asking for help with a monotype team

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Yeah, no arbitrary rules here

normal nebula
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technically gym battles can happen on showdown

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so im doing gym battles through showdown

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C:

vale ridge
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Aight jst letting you know.

normal nebula
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for sure thanks alot

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I didnt know pixelmon wasnt allowed here

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also another thing this team has to win

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on showdown

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to even qualify

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so its a showdown team for sure

cerulean jolt
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Also probs sash on weaville?

normal nebula
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thats an odd play why would u say that

cerulean jolt
normal nebula
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yea this is old

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I already replaced focus punch

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thats why taunt is on there too

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I replaced it was darkest lariat I think or another dmg move bc like grimmsnarl kept getting struggled

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normal nebula
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lol so its a sucide

cerulean jolt
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Yea I mean you gotta go aggro really, darn isn't the best defensive type ever since fairy and u-turn destroys you.

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You could also lead mega-t as a mixup

normal nebula
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yea

cerulean jolt
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But ya, gots to be pretty aggro. Especially since you've got dark STAB knock off to work with to cripple opposing lefties/boots

normal nebula
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I wish I could try it out but im banned from showdown atm

cerulean jolt
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XD wtf

normal nebula
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yea...

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dw about it

cerulean jolt
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I won't x3 i go drive now

normal nebula
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I dont get it

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I might not have changed a few things

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just lmk

vale ridge
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Why not have 2 protean users?

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Gren gets Sludge Wave and Gunk Shot

normal nebula
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true I had a team with gren

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but I barely was able to use gren

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but also theres no one I could replace he could do a better job at

vale ridge
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I find uses for the protean Gren all the time on my teams.

normal nebula
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everyone serves their job fairly well

vale ridge
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He usually does his job quite nicely excluding a few bad match ups.

normal nebula
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Well like I would have to revise I’m down to try to use him I’ll see but only person I think he would replace alright is weevile or meow but meow having play rough might be better

vale ridge
normal nebula
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Yea

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But sure they could but it would be kinda overboard

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Wouldn’t it be better to have like

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A different service

vale ridge
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Wyt about Roaring Moon?

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thanks

brittle shard
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Hahaha I've been tinkering away at a kinda off-meta Hyper Offense team would someone be able to offer feedback? it's been a bit of a bumpy ride with a lot of practice games

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this link should work?

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oh and Wildfire probably shouldn't look 😅 as they're my matched opponent in Swiss, though I suspect it won't matter either way

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https://pokepast.es/af552e189da96cba this got me hard stuck mid 1700s, been debating tbolt vs shadow ball on val, dd or offensive rocker ttar, would prefer to keep ttar and specs val but anythin else can change 👍

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Also ttar offensive rocker is a hard sell since there's so many bulky setups that can sit in front of him specially w/o earthquake/way to deal with ting-lu/ferro/Hisui-Samurott tho Samurott usually max Spee so not too much of a problem. Still hurts tho

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If you want him to be aggro I'd say earthquake instead of knock off/pursuit but replacing either feels pretty bad

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last yacht
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I think a swap out for a ceruledge could possibly be a good sweeper on ur team

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As it can have bitter blade swords dance solar blade and shadow sneak

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https://pokepast.es/e5c0da9d7ab66192

tried a new team with a breaker core of scarf Lele and Volc with a offensive combo of Kartana and Mega Lop, defensive and support combo of Tusk and Heatran

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u need to stick to one thing

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Was thinking of making a battle bond Greninja team anyone got any thoughts on how to go about building that

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https://pokepast.es/1b36dd12879bff27 I made this team yesterday but I had issues with pokemon like Rotom-Heat. Is there any changes I should make? I'm keeping Garchomp and Alomomola

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Changed the team up to be a Lele/Tyranitar combo

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# iron tangle https://pokepast.es/df9f22c895f3daad

Lele can be a Z variant

Kart can be scarf fog

Tran can prob ghold to check zama.

You are a bit gambit weak but running low kick on tar can help that drop stealth rock since you already have it on lando.

Pon can prob be SD

iron tangle
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But I was originally using Lele as a Zama counter so I felt the speed was necessary

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What other changes would you recommend to be a little better against gambit

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Urshifu W?

vague hemlock
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Plus they can run heavy slam sometimes

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iron tangle
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vague hemlock
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Make shifu scarf and I think you are good

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Ghold covers Zama

iron tangle
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Scarf tpunch/ice spinner on Shifu for a pseudo boltbeam coverage

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Any specific weaknesses so far?

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No problem

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Just built this i think it works well

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I had to gove moltres that berry bc if i don't it gets one shot by rock moves

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last yacht
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Why are you looking to swap it out

pallid adder
last yacht
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Pult isn't banned?

iron tangle
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last yacht
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Oh wow

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Well that's interesting

last yacht
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Zamazenta has some good speed and is a physical attacker

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Im not entirely sure tbh

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I wasn't anticipating pult to get banned

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last yacht
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It's a difficult thing to switch out

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Nothing really compares to pult

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Not that nothing compares but it's a very unique mon

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ghold bless frfr

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Here's some mid for ya

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Lmk what my teams missing

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This is ndou rates not for doubles

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https://pokepast.es/fb592a332114282e

is there anything off with the team currently? Weavile with sash has allowed me to surprise opponents sometimes but I'm wondering if I should switch it out to another mon or use HDB or just changes in the team in general. Thanks in advance!

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idk if sash weavile can work with cinderace being ur only hazard control

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have u found hazards to be a problem?

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Looks solid

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I think you’d get more out of lefties ghold here but a balloon is probably fine

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Ghold doesn’t really need fb here imo either could be like recover

vague hemlock
# last yacht What u recommend

Probably mega latios > kartana solid pon check and places pressure on balances which this team needs.

  1. Make team standard spdef with rocks.

  2. Make lando a Defog variant with lefties

  3. Make scizor Uturn

  4. Gren doesn’t function the same fyi. You don’t get the ash gren form but you probably know that just run ice beam over spikes.

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Good work

vague hemlock
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It’s terrain blocks sucker

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I think zama should be 4 attacks

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As well

vague hemlock
# loud topaz https://pokepast.es/36c99577b891bfa2

Kinda a lot going on here gastro not really good it’s outclassed by other bulky waters like pex and Alomomola on sand since
excadrill fills in the electric immunity already.

  1. Dracozolt is terrible it falls short to alot of pokemon especially Lando. Volc is also a weird pick here.

I suggest using my sand as a skeleton or using it in general this will give you a more in depth view of how to run it and what mons to use.

https://pokepast.es/cad2ef7b2a090434

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Unfortunately not really sets are weird too

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I pasted my sand above you can use that

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https://pokepast.es/f3d3831e3b9754bd ive got to 1.5k on the nat dex ou ladder with this team but im plateuing around here, does anyone have any suggestions or things to change for this team? i feel like toxic protect melmetal isnt doing as much as i want it to and using AV melmetal would be better

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cerulean jolt
zinc sparrow
cerulean jolt
raven jackal
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1600+ range

raven jackal
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@limber crypt

heavy quest
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I built this horrible awful team for this ladder but I somehow got like 10 consecutive wins with it. You might want to sit down before opening this link
https://pokepast.es/4f41d898328a8408

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errant frost
normal nebula
errant frost
solar patio
raven jackal
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fr

cerulean jolt
# raven jackal fr

Look, my autistic as cant help you unless u says something about what struggles the teams are having ;-; like just posting the elo they're being played at doesn't say a whole lot tbh

raven jackal
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i want one of the actual raters😭

cerulean jolt
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;-; dam alri

gray lake
# raven jackal 1600+ range

base tyranitar is generally pretty bad, it isn't especially strong and its notoriously not really a good ghold check because they all run focus blast. i also think your kinda overrating magnezone both in terms of running specs zone yourself and the shed shell on skarmory. The most common set is idpress with magnet rise because that set is most consistent against kingambit and melmetal, who are main targets. I think the concept of the sand team is cool though, i think I would just check out the dex to optimize some of the ev spreads on mola and zapdos. also puts a ton of pressure on mega chomp being positioned correctly bc ur not gonna make much progress with others on the team, replacing weavile with a fighting-type could also help improve ur progress making capabilities. second team reeks gen 8, as i said shed skarm is not necessary bc zone is uncommon and you probably want idef to actually check stuff. Mega latias is generally considered to be a poor option right now because it has a rly poor matchup into a lot of the meta, and theres a ton of very bulky psychic resists who can turn a set like that into immediate progress for their team. I also am not sure if DD roaring moon fits with mega latias, feel like u would want one or the other. Third team is interesting but chansey is generally very bad because you give ghold free real estate and are generally just too passive into most of the meta, moltres also isnt a very good defogger and AV tar isnt all that great either but i could see it working at the very least. Dunno if magnezone is really necessary, if you do run it it would have to be idpress so this doesnt immediately keel over to boosted gambit

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gray lake
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corv and skarm are quite uncommon is the thing

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corv is ou tho

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or is that more low ladder

gray lake
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low ladder

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its uncommon in tournament play

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the most common steels by far are ferro and ghold

raven jackal
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ferro also matches well into chomp

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so mag will help on that and scizor

gray lake
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u can run zone to be clear but the idpress set would be highly recommended

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https://pokepast.es/897f58580f64dbb2
Been using this team - peaked 1753 on Main, lost recently so sitting at 1713. Been playing on an alt with it recently, talking with some players.. figured I'd throw it here to see thoughts & changes you would make. I'm aware Mega Gyara isn't fantastic, but just liked this team due to it being my personal favorite. Would appreciate all feedback.

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rugged whale
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Hello guys, recently i have been testing some teams and i wanted a view on the team i'm actually using. If you have any suggestion for strenghtening this team i'm taking, thanks !

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errant frost
dark wyvern
hardy flint
# dark wyvern https://pokepast.es/0d9df1678441405f Need advice

overall nice team, but i think if you’re looking for removal lando isn’t the way, terapagos > raging bolt would be fine

Or pagos > Lando and run another ground

if u want to keep defog u can run defog molt, run spikes > rocks on ferro, then run rocks on lando

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otherwise good team

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potent furnace
# dark wyvern https://pokepast.es/0d9df1678441405f Need advice

also would recommend either gyro or knock on ferrothorn over body press here, between molt and shifu you should be good enough into steels like gambit and melm to not require it. also pagos over lando seems good since otherwise the ghold mu looks rather unfavorable + additional outs into stuff like pon

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i like sd z chomp over bolt here since they fufill similar niches defensively

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potent furnace
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max spe jolly with max spa is best

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you're rapid spin/starstorm and two of either flamethrower, earth power, ice beam or thunderbolt

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ice beam earth power is generally best

dark wyvern
potent furnace
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yeah

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timid

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pardon me im a little tired

dark wyvern
potent furnace
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should be HDB too

dark wyvern
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how does that look

potent furnace
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to preserve shell

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eq on chomp

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otherwise this looks good

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also run hurricane over defog on molt

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you have spin on pagos you don't need it

dark wyvern
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alr fixed

potent furnace
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id consider running some form of ground coverage on either moltres or pagos

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could drop cane for scorching sands on moltres or flamethrower for earth power on terapagos

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i think pagos is better here since moltres already does good enough into the metal birds

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you're also still earth power on garchomp

dark wyvern
dark wyvern
potent furnace
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yes

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if you'd rather be better into specifically heatran though feel free to swap out the slot on moltres instead

dark wyvern
potent furnace
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looks good

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4 ev police if you really care but it's not that deep

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team was alr good beforehand

dark wyvern
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ty

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for the help

potent furnace
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np

hardy flint
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epower is usually the second option

potent furnace
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i run it for tran

hardy flint
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ur better off running flame vs ferro

potent furnace
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tru

hardy flint
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ferro is way more common as of now

potent furnace
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i think with a molt its fine tho

hardy flint
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eh

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tawdry imp
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Toxic over hurrice on molt

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And if its knock clef then ferro should b3 fine

potent furnace
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yeah unaware clef is generally pretty uncommon so I wouldn’t worry about it too much

cerulean jolt
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blobpeek someone said unaware clef?

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last yacht
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Is this team any good?

potent furnace
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Right off the bat you need boots on moltes

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I’ll give some more feedback in a second just let me get to my laptop

last yacht
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I did that just new link mb

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Everything else is the same

potent furnace
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ok my laptop is being a pain so I can’t get exact evs rn but that kyu set is going to need some tweaking

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a lot outside of that is going to need tweaking

merry delta
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These sets in general need fixing as although ur not using bad mons, the sets are suboptimal; you also have no ground type. This is probably fixable, but what is your main idea behind the team?

potent furnace
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there's also a lot of water stacking

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you really only need wellspring hamu or fini, not all 3

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`Kyurem @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 56 HP / 200 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Freeze-Dry
  • Earth Power
  • Substitute
  • Roost`
    off the rip id run this kyurem set
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ice beam isnt really required and sub lets you beat passive mons

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hp lets your subs live seismic tosses

ashen bear
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if you're dead set on running kleavor drop upper hand

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your main issue right now is wellspring which kinda just cooks this team

ashen bear
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For gigabit?

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Kingambit

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Yeah wellspring cooks

potent furnace
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between bulkarona you should be good enough into it

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you also have CC

ashen bear
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Sbould put skarmory to counter it

potent furnace
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skarm isnt as reliable as id like

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+2 cudgel 2hkos

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try ferro over ting lu

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and then you can run great tusk over terapagos

ashen bear
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I was just testing cleaver i don't actually need it

potent furnace
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ah alr thats good

ashen bear
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Ok

potent furnace
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kleavor's kinda redundant since you've got rocks alr

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what's with the bolt evs?

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oh those are the pivot evs

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i see

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i think swapping out ting lu and terapagos for great tusk and ferrothorn are best for this team right now

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kleavor is definitely also going to get swapped out but there's a little more leeway in what to run there

ashen bear
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My bad had an emergence I’m back now

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Yeah idk what to run for kleavie now

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Prob gholdengo to block removal

potent furnace
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nah

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ting lu alr beats the foggers so you only have to worry abt spinners like tusk and pagos

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bulkarona should beat them alr

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i think you want like mega latios/latias over kleavor

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when you slot ferro over ting lu you can run twave for speed control

ashen bear
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Ok

potent furnace
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like rocks/whip/twave/leech

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and tusk can be headlong/spin/knock/ice spinner

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the mega lati should beat wellspring since if its prough ferro just walls

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its also good into yard which is nice

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latias and latios are somewhat interchangeable, i think you'd rather have tias here though

ashen bear
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Should i put knock on mola to remove boots

potent furnace
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nah you have it on tusk

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dropping tox is a bad idea

ashen bear
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Ok

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Thanks

potent furnace
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drop rocks on tusk for ice spinner

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other than that you look good tho

ashen bear
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K

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Thank you

potent furnace
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np

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competes with bolt

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for offensive dragon

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tias is also bulkier which is what this team would rather have vs wellspring

gray lake
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i think bolt+mega latios is fine vs wellspring tbh

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especially with ferrothorn

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mega latias just isnt very effective rn icl

ashen bear
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I won a tour

potent furnace
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nice

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good to hear

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feel free to try latios too

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probably should have mentioned that actually

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they r pretty interchangeable

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very similar set to latias you just run luster purge over psychic stab

ashen bear
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Ok

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white knoll
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E-terrain volt-turn
I've been Consider Mega Lop over Mawile and Waterpon

potent furnace
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you need a stronger defensive backbone

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zama is pretty redundant since you have ival alr

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as is mmaw

white knoll
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or would that be stacking way too many ground weaknesses?

potent furnace
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yeah

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treads is also kinda meh

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lando here would be good though

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drop zama for lando and we should probably sub out mmaw for something else too

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ferro over mmaw seems pretty good here

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id recommend trying out boots bolt here asw

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same set just swap out specs

white knoll
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so something like this then?

potent furnace
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fog on lando

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otherwise you're good

white knoll
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I just discovered

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so uh

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maybe a fat magic bouncer or smthing over Thorn?

potent furnace
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its fine just u turn back into koko

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setting it up isnt very commital

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potent furnace
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Ok this team is actually pretty good you just need some minor tweaks

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all you really need is a steel and a water resist

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Try running ferrothorn over samurott

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If you want to run pivot koko you should make it HDB asw

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if you want z though it should be cm

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oh also defog > rocks on lando

vague hemlock
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Needs a fire resist asw desperately

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I suggest offensive heatran > pecha here since you already have ferro

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Victini is also fine

gray lake
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either sounds good but if ur heatran id make it air balloon

vague hemlock
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^

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Ye fs

normal nebula
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lmk

vague hemlock
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What is your main idea behind this build? so I have a more deep understanding of your thought process

normal nebula
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comp viable and pink

vague hemlock
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That’s not enough I need to understand the Pokemon you are building around so I can make suggestions

normal nebula
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tbh its not centered around one pokemon ig

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is that bad

vague hemlock
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Unfortunately I’m not going to be able to rate this if you don’t know what your team is supposed to do. I will say a couple sets are sub optimal like the tusk and molt set

normal nebula
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oh wait so you mean like a team supposed to focus on doing one thing

vague hemlock
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If you were to say mega mawile or something then we would make adjustments to support it but you need know what the goal is behind a team before attempting to build.

normal nebula
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hmmm

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how would you build around a mawile though

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I also thought building around a pokemon was just giving it other mon it could use to threaten its threats

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which is just type coverage

vague hemlock
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https://pokepast.es/ba879cb5333dd4a3
this team I made recently is centered around mega Scizor. I have toxic melm to pressure moltres and Zapdos switch ins. Rotom as my fire resistance for heatran etc and to get it safely via volt switch.

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Etc

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Dragonite to act as a mega Charizard check (I’m extremely weak to it otherwise) and potentially clean up the game.

vague hemlock
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You can reference my thought process in the text above

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Mawile enjoyed web based playstyles. It can also work on trick room (this isn’t that good) or para spam.

normal nebula
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ohhhh I see now

vague hemlock
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Since it’s a slow wall breaker you want it to be on teams that can slow down the opponent

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This is what I mean about goals

normal nebula
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ok I got a clearer understanding of teambuilding thanks alot but putting in to work is gonna be a challenge

vague hemlock
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And idea

vague hemlock
normal nebula
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yea I think my problem is I dont know enough base knowledge lol

vague hemlock
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All good haha I’m here if anything

normal nebula
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like for example I would never think oh mega charizard is gotta threaten this team

vague hemlock
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Ye

normal nebula
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and when I see a mon sometimes I just look at type then get one shot by some move I didnt know they had

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but alright thanks for the insight

vague hemlock
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Ye that’s why team composition is important

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Np!

normal nebula
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yea I think ima make a team centered around M mawile

vast tendon
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wait realizing 2 rocks users

potent furnace
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yeah run fog over rocks on lando

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fairum is better than elec in my experience

vast tendon
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doesnt scarf shifu SHRED this team tho

potent furnace
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ferro + lando should be enough

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we have so much contact punishing that it should get mauled

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mola + shifu specifically is scary but thats not the most common

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gray lake
# empty olive https://pokepast.es/b908d868cfb669cc

I like the concept of this quite a bit tbh, the main things are that I would put future sight on Lele to support Shifu in wallbreaking since its efficacy as a breaker can be questionable into teams with certain fat waters. I think this puts a ton of pressure on Iron Treads to stay healthy since ur relying on it checking a lot but if you can position ur breakers properly its probably workable, it is probably worth to make it faster than raging bolt so raging bolt under sun doesnt severely threaten this

ashen bear
runic wasp
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runic wasp
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Very new to the tier

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Would like suggestions

vague hemlock
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I’m not really a fan of lop and lele

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Psy terrain blocks fake out

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You also lack a proper mega zard check and gambit check

runic wasp
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Checks gambit

vague hemlock
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Lele don’t switch in

runic wasp
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Pretty hard

vague hemlock
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Offensively yes maybe

runic wasp
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What's a good gambit switch

vague hemlock
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What was the main idea of the team

runic wasp
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In natdex

vague hemlock
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If I may ask

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Who are you building around/with

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Most important piece

runic wasp
vague hemlock
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Ah

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Which Mon you like most here

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First came to mind

runic wasp
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Ferro and slowking core

vague hemlock
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A standard BO with ferro hmm okay

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You can drop Tapu Lele first

runic wasp
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Alr

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What do I replace it with

vague hemlock
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Slowbro you can do colbur body press this will allow you to lure gambit

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Run power whip spikes knock and leech on ferro

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Tapu Lele can be pivot raging bolt

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This gives you a decent yard check that can switch in and potentially force it out

runic wasp
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I need a strong special threat too

vague hemlock
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A back up water resist asw

runic wasp
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Could offensive bolt

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Work

vague hemlock
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Since you have an ogerpon you aren’t as pressed to run ice coverage on mega lop so you can just do Uturn

vague hemlock