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celest merlinBOT Jan 12, 2025, 3:30 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vague hemlock Jan 12, 2025, 8:13 PM

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Couple issues here

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First the sets on some mons here are a bit wonky like suicune if you do run it it runs sub, protect,calm mind with scald.

2.Venusuar should not be running leech seed it should run giga drain to threaten the bulky water types like alomomola and slowbro also great tusk.

You have no ground type here

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I’d commit to having either Tink or Gambit here there is a couple ways you can go about this.

The first would be dropping tinkaton for a ground type like Landorus-T.

The second would be spikes skarmory > tinkaton and rocks Ting lu

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As of this moment stuff like Koko and raging bolt clicks volt forever

hollow basalt Jan 12, 2025, 8:25 PM

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tbh for how janky the team was to build that's better than I was expecting

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I like tink so i'm probably gonna drop gambit for ting and fix up the sets

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tyty

paper notch Jan 13, 2025, 10:24 AM

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https://pokepast.es/5e81ec91cb3cff5c

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gen 8

primal tree Jan 13, 2025, 2:23 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6a410d00a11b514d an attempt at a medi+hamu spikes team

celest merlinBOT Jan 13, 2025, 2:23 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vague hemlock Jan 13, 2025, 3:43 PM

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Not bad tbh but I think Koko > pult and av gambit > crown

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Koko helps with the bulky Pokemon medi and Sam want to break through like mola. Gambit helps you keep stuff like pult in check which currently spams ghost stab on you unpunished.

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I think the Koko should be elec z btw

tiny storm Jan 13, 2025, 6:06 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6ea32bcbf4e114db

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can you rmt pls

void thorn Jan 13, 2025, 8:26 PM

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https://pokepast.es/62341badb85d7771

celest merlinBOT Jan 13, 2025, 8:26 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vague hemlock Jan 13, 2025, 10:48 PM

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tiny storm https://pokepast.es/6ea32bcbf4e114db

Feels pretty random and slapped together quite honestly

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Like no ground

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No flying type

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Gambit owns this asw

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I suggest checking out samples to get a more comprehensive understanding of what builds look like in natdex

celest merlinBOT Jan 13, 2025, 10:50 PM

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National Dex (Gen 9)

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

vague hemlock Jan 13, 2025, 10:53 PM

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void thorn https://pokepast.es/62341badb85d7771

Not the worst I’ve seen but mega bane is an odd pick here and so is the scarf tran. Not really a fan of band meow here either. No real water resistance so you kinda lose to rain as well.

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Clef glisc gking not bad though as a start and maybe tran if you fix the set

primal tree Jan 14, 2025, 12:33 AM

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vague hemlock Not bad tbh but I think Koko > pult and av gambit > crown

https://pokepast.es/2086cf37292313b7 so would this be better? Wasn't sure abt the gambit set so I went with pursuit

vague hemlock Jan 14, 2025, 12:55 AM

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You can run AV gambit

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But yeah this good

vast tendon Jan 14, 2025, 6:17 AM

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https://pokepast.es/0d0ba1dc560b5c71

celest merlinBOT Jan 14, 2025, 6:17 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

covert dagger Jan 14, 2025, 8:52 AM

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i have been rocking this team for a bit would like to know if there is anything i should replace please @ me for the people who respond

https://pokepast.es/3826838da93fe6a4

cobalt skiff Jan 17, 2025, 5:31 AM

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hello

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this is my team so far

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charizard Y, ferrothorn, great tusk, weavile, slowking-galar, and primarina

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any tips/ who should i remove

cobalt skiff Jan 17, 2025, 5:50 AM

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here it is

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https://pokepast.es/8f7b7ee33d9c87de

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if anyone has any recoomendations pls shout me a dm i would love to hear any reccomendations

quasi juniper Jan 17, 2025, 7:12 PM

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i wonder if this team works in dex and if not can it be fixed

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https://pokepast.es/6eb355235aad0011

hollow basalt Jan 17, 2025, 10:01 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ce1bf10dedecc305 I know this is definitely not my greatest of teams, but I absolutely love this bulu set, idea is it snipes lando/gliscor without needing to worry about intimidate or how much physical bulk they invest into, and then spreads recovery and chip damage for iron hands to go crazy
defensive core is tried and true lando/tran/pex and since I already have 2 toxic users + tspikes, hex pivot pult fit in nicely for the speed control

celest merlinBOT Jan 17, 2025, 10:01 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vague hemlock Jan 18, 2025, 12:04 AM

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vast tendon https://pokepast.es/0d0ba1dc560b5c71

Dragapult > sinis doesn’t really fit here imo and it’s too slow to function on this team effectively. Iron valiant should be mixed here imo with either encore or destiny bond. I suggest dropping bolt for something like Dragonite which gives you a ground type immunity which every HO should have. I think you’d also get more out of gambit with lowkick > sam but I’d suggest testing that

vague hemlock Jan 18, 2025, 12:09 AM

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covert dagger i have been rocking this team for a bit would like to know if there is anything ...

I’m gonna be honest this team lacks alot of synergy.

Amoongus is only used on very very niche fats tangrowth fulfills its role better while being better into stuff like pon and tusk.
Back to my point about synergy I suggest thinking about your teams purpose what it does and what it’s trying to achieve looking at this it’s hard to tell.
Greninja is outclassed as a special breaker and offensive pivot by a plethora of mons. Also being nerfed into the ground doesn’t really help its case since battle bond only activates once now through stats it no longer transforms.
Mega gallade is also outclassed by better megas like Mega medicham and Loponny.

I highly suggest giving the samples a look to see how a team should look and how mons supposed to complement each other.

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For example a good core you can start with here would be tapu koko + mega medicham

vague hemlock Jan 18, 2025, 12:17 AM

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cobalt skiff if anyone has any recoomendations pls shout me a dm i would love to hear any rec...

Team is a bit weird honestly speaking.

For one you have a water type in primarina that needs all its power to set up sun would weaken it.

Not having a proper Dragapult answer would also hinder you here it give it a chance to freely click shadowball whenever it comes in. Weavile doesn’t have the longevity to handle it alone.

Weavile, slowking galar, ferrothorn, great tusk would probly be fine but prim here and zard which is normally on sun is kinda odd here. I suggest either commiting to sun or following that skeleton.

vague hemlock Jan 18, 2025, 12:23 AM

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quasi juniper https://pokepast.es/6eb355235aad0011

I think you should just commit to offense here.

Swords dance Ogerpon-W > alomomola.
Make Exacadrill Steelium Z

3.make pult specs

Stoned edge > twave on Mega tyranitar.
I suggest dropping garg for an iron valiant check. Slowking galar works or eject button Toxapex seems good too.

vague hemlock Jan 18, 2025, 12:24 AM

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hollow basalt https://pokepast.es/ce1bf10dedecc305 I know this is definitely not my greatest o...

Feels a bit too passive commit to offense terrain teams are more aggressive

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Pult should be specs for one

hollow basalt Jan 18, 2025, 12:24 AM

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that was an issue I noticed in testing ye

vague hemlock Jan 18, 2025, 12:24 AM

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Try this set on bulu

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Tapu Bulu @ Rockium Z
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spe
Adamant Nature

Swords Dance
Horn Leech
Close Combat
Stone Edge

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Lando can be max speed timid with earth power

hollow basalt Jan 18, 2025, 12:25 AM

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I will once i'm done having fun surprise nuking landos

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tyty

vague hemlock Jan 18, 2025, 12:25 AM

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Tran is fine

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But pex can be like ogerpon-w

sage garden Jan 18, 2025, 8:32 PM

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https://pokepast.es/bbea050339bb4895

celest merlinBOT Jan 18, 2025, 8:32 PM

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vast tendon Jan 19, 2025, 4:35 AM

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vague hemlock Dragapult > sinis doesn’t really fit here imo and it’s too slow to function on t...

https://pokepast.es/6946e3ad81b8b87b like this or ddance pult and boots dnite?

celest merlinBOT Jan 19, 2025, 4:35 AM

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vast tendon Jan 19, 2025, 4:36 AM

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or maybe ab dengo

quasi juniper Jan 19, 2025, 5:44 AM

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what is 2 pokemon that i can add that is not legandary or reliant on a z move https://pokepast.es/11c448d0257a856b

hard creek Jan 19, 2025, 6:57 AM

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read the rules on arbitrary restrictions pwease

quasi juniper Jan 19, 2025, 4:45 PM

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Rip mb

cobalt skiff Jan 19, 2025, 10:03 PM

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could someone rate my team for natou

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https://pokepast.es/9ef3e0d8f55ffcf6

celest merlinBOT Jan 19, 2025, 10:03 PM

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abstract burrow Jan 20, 2025, 4:40 PM

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https://pokepast.es/0e82925a5d15a230

celest merlinBOT Jan 20, 2025, 4:40 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

lilac arrow Jan 20, 2025, 8:41 PM

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hello, i havent played since gen 6 but tried to make a team :) was wondering if mega latias is just > latios for more bulk + CM. also some of the EV spreads are just from smogon, not sure if theyre ideal for gen 9 natdex. appreciate any help, thank you :]
https://pokepast.es/e8b5a9b560c0dedd

hard creek Jan 21, 2025, 1:22 AM

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https://pokepast.es/2104e6927b23d631

celest merlinBOT Jan 21, 2025, 1:22 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vague hemlock Jan 21, 2025, 1:40 AM

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Not bad but I think great tusk would be a better spinner here than Tera ut gives you a dark resist for gambit which you desperately need

hard creek Jan 21, 2025, 1:41 AM

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do I go tusk and them other ground immune over lando

vague hemlock Jan 21, 2025, 1:41 AM

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Lando can be something else like zap so this turns into a actually volt turn

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Yes

hard creek Jan 21, 2025, 1:42 AM

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https://pokepast.es/2545487538bb040c

vague hemlock Jan 21, 2025, 1:43 AM

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Av Gambit > Tran now that you have rocks

hard creek Jan 21, 2025, 1:45 AM

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tran was the point of the team

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ima just stop building my teams around things

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bc u guys never keep the orginal idea

vague hemlock Jan 21, 2025, 1:53 AM

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Ah next time state what you are building around that makes things a lot more simple

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Secondly some key things to remember when building Natdex you always want a proper dark and ghost resist and you want a steel that can answer/punish stuff like lele.

hard creek Jan 21, 2025, 1:59 AM

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well

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I tried asking what checks Lele that isnt a steel

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Ineros said put another steel

vague hemlock Jan 21, 2025, 2:01 AM

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Yeah if you go with offensive Tran here I suggest making scizor roost or using av gambit

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 112 Def / 128 SpD / 20 Spe
Impish Nature

Swords Dance
Bullet Punch
Knock Off
Roost

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Tran with this spread can’t really take many hits as it could if it was invested

hard creek Jan 21, 2025, 2:02 AM

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yea

vague hemlock Jan 21, 2025, 2:02 AM

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That’s prob the only change id make

vague hemlock Jan 21, 2025, 2:04 AM

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hard creek yea

Give tran taunt

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Since you have rocks already

hard creek Jan 21, 2025, 2:09 AM

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tran gambit tusk zappy uh

vague hemlock Jan 21, 2025, 2:11 AM

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Pult was fine

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Pon is fine too

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Sciz can stay Asw as long as you give it roost

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But it can also be gambit which I probably would recommend because I forgot opposing pult exists

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😂

hard creek Jan 21, 2025, 2:13 AM

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wait so whats the 6

vague hemlock Jan 21, 2025, 2:13 AM

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Tran/gambit/pon/zap/pult/tusk

hard creek Jan 21, 2025, 2:13 AM

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ok

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shld tran be taunt or shld tusk replace SR

vague hemlock Jan 21, 2025, 2:20 AM

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Nah give tran taunt I think this set benefits more from taunt

hard creek Jan 21, 2025, 2:22 AM

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ok

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were weak to IVal

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how do we fix IVal

merry delta Jan 21, 2025, 2:23 AM

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Make Sciz bulky

hard creek Jan 21, 2025, 2:23 AM

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sciz is now a gambit

merry delta Jan 21, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Woops sorry I did not scroll up

vague hemlock Jan 21, 2025, 2:31 AM

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hard creek were weak to IVal

Av torn > zap

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Just make gambit non av

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With lefties

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You still have to be wary of thunder bolt variants but you usually naturally outspeed and threaten specs variants

civic saddle Jan 21, 2025, 9:16 AM

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https://pokepast.es/a3b39b0d32cab6f8
Bulky mega scizor balance

celest merlinBOT Jan 21, 2025, 9:16 AM

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next forge Jan 21, 2025, 9:29 AM

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civic saddle https://pokepast.es/a3b39b0d32cab6f8 Bulky mega scizor balance

First 3 don't rlly synergise with the last 3

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The latter are too passive

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U could make a neat offense team thi

civic saddle Jan 21, 2025, 9:29 AM

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i had moltres because it covers volcarona and zardY for mega scizor

next forge Jan 21, 2025, 9:29 AM

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Have like pivot wogerpon instead of ferro + mola

civic saddle Jan 21, 2025, 9:29 AM

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what should I replace it with

civic saddle Jan 21, 2025, 9:29 AM

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next forge Have like pivot wogerpon instead of ferro + mola

oh fair

next forge Jan 21, 2025, 9:30 AM

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Also personally I think boots koko is better here

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Compared to specs

civic saddle Jan 21, 2025, 9:30 AM

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next forge Compared to specs

I need some immediate power no?

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since both my phys attackers rely on SD for damage output

civic saddle Jan 21, 2025, 9:31 AM

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next forge Have like pivot wogerpon instead of ferro + mola

Could I do pivot woger + a decent raging bolt defensive answer instead of Ferro mola?

next forge Jan 21, 2025, 9:38 AM

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civic saddle Could I do pivot woger + a decent raging bolt defensive answer instead of Ferro ...

Ye altho idk what raging bolt answer u wanr

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U alr have chomp and koko

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That's usually enough

civic saddle Jan 21, 2025, 9:38 AM

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hm true

next forge Jan 21, 2025, 9:39 AM

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Pagos seems nice here

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For removal

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Then u can throw on a dark type like hamurott

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Possibly scarf

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Er

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Maybe not acc cuz then u have 2 water mons

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Meow couulldd work altho moltres seems like an ass then

civic saddle Jan 21, 2025, 9:40 AM

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I do wanna keep my first 4

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molt is nice here for zardY and I like the offensive core

next forge Jan 21, 2025, 9:40 AM

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If ur gonna keep molt just ensure it's uturn

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To keep offensive pressure

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Don't wanna be too passive cuz this team can't rlly handle boosted threats that well

civic saddle Jan 21, 2025, 9:42 AM

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I need removal last then

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with some physical bulk so I don't lose to something like mlop

next forge Jan 21, 2025, 9:42 AM

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Molt beats mlop no?

civic saddle Jan 21, 2025, 9:42 AM

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I'm spdef

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does it?

next forge Jan 21, 2025, 9:42 AM

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Phys def does

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Idk abt spdef

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Do u rlly need spdef tho

civic saddle Jan 21, 2025, 9:42 AM

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I don't beat zardY with physdef and I kinda need to since I'm building around mega scizor

next forge Jan 21, 2025, 9:43 AM

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Zardy is easy to out offense for this team

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With koko and chomp

civic saddle Jan 21, 2025, 9:43 AM

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Also do i run spikes on woger

next forge Jan 21, 2025, 9:43 AM

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If u wanna

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I would but

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Encore can be neat too

civic saddle Jan 21, 2025, 9:45 AM

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If I were to do terapagos for removal

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What set would I run on it

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Also what do I do against koko

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do i just try outplay it

glossy sierra Jan 21, 2025, 9:36 PM

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rn im using Sinistcha-Masterpiece for nat dex, is there a better grass type i should be using?
https://pokepast.es/59a4a867250c7de4 this is my team

celest merlinBOT Jan 21, 2025, 9:36 PM

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glossy sierra Jan 21, 2025, 9:51 PM

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also what fire type should i use aswell?

paper notch Jan 22, 2025, 2:49 AM

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https://pokepast.es/751a6b30bcb19ab2

vague hemlock Jan 22, 2025, 2:53 AM

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Not a bad build tbh

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But a few changes id suggest

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Firstly is giving lop turn I think this fits more with your team as you get to pivot out of checks like lando and alomomola etc.

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Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
EVs: 248 HP / 184 Def / 76 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Bold Nature

Volt Switch
Hurricane
Heat Wave
Roost

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Zap can run this

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Give tusk boots > lefties and make it rocks > knock

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Drop Tran imo for AV gambit you lack a pult answer it kinda gets free reign otherwise. No matter the set you get to punish it.

paper notch Jan 22, 2025, 3:26 AM

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thank you for the suggestions

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only thing is i feel that zapdos kinda needs the extra def evs more often than it needs the speed evs for heatran

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and also boots on tusk makes it feel a little too dependant on mola for comfort

vague hemlock Jan 22, 2025, 3:31 AM

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paper notch and also boots on tusk makes it feel a little too dependant on mola for comfort

Boots allow you to spin reliably if it’s your only form of removal you don’t want it to take hazard damage + it also has to contend with checking gambit

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Also the speed Evs on zap allow it to outrun standard lando

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Not just modest tran

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Mola could sponge some variants of gambit but sd can spiral out of control if you play carelessly

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So preserving tusk is key

vague hemlock Jan 22, 2025, 3:36 AM

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vague hemlock Boots allow you to spin reliably if it’s your only form of removal you don’t wan...

In a tier riddled with spikes you for sure want boots more often than not. Helmet/lefties and others can be used if you have other removal or good ways to pressure the opposition from clicking hazards

paper notch Jan 22, 2025, 3:41 AM

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fair enough but i stand by the extra def evs on zapdos

vague hemlock Jan 22, 2025, 3:42 AM

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Yeah give it a try then if you feel that’s better but I think outspeeding those are justified

noble canopy Jan 22, 2025, 2:22 PM

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can someone rate my team im new to natdex btw tell me what i should change

https://pokepast.es/b75ee40d963e2f69

also i don't want kingambit

celest merlinBOT Jan 22, 2025, 2:22 PM

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vague hemlock Jan 22, 2025, 5:56 PM

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noble canopy can someone rate my team im new to natdex btw tell me what i should change http...

Several flaws with this team.

Band pult is not good especially in non Tera meta you are often doing dragon dance,specs, or boots pivot. It’s easy to take advantage of and it gets completely stuffed by gambit pursuit sets.
Rotom wash as you ground immunity leaves you into awkward situations with grounds like opposing Great Tusk and Garchomp. As it takes too much damage from them and don’t have the Bulk or longevity to handle them over a course of a game.

3.Not using magma trap I’m wondering how does this make progress versus fat teams. Yeah you get burns but like stuff like toxapex come in and out as it pleases.

Your complete lack of ghost resist means that Pult had free rein special sets yeah Tran can take a shadowball or two but it’s one spdef drop from completely dismantling your team. Dragon Dance pult just completely dismantle this. That’s why gambit is usually recommended on teams like these.

LO valiant here is also kinda awkward on bulky offense it’s specs or mixed booster.

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I think you really need to dig deep about what your building and what your team is trying to achieve I see no cohesion here.

next forge Jan 22, 2025, 6:33 PM

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"also i dont want gambit" is technically breaking the !nolegends rule

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!nolegends

celest merlinBOT Jan 22, 2025, 6:33 PM

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void thorn Jan 23, 2025, 2:07 AM

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next forge "also i dont want gambit" is technically breaking the !nolegends rule

Well so u say kinda every team has to be the same and we up the usage even higher?

dapper vale Jan 23, 2025, 2:19 AM

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https://pokepast.es/238304acc7aeac66

i dont really care abt changes, this is like one of my first genuine teams

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i can tell it has flaws but i mainly picked my favorites (and the wall)

bitter gazelle Jan 23, 2025, 2:02 PM

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https://pokepast.es/1eaa25c8713ed3d5

This is my first attempt at building a competitive team, I know there are a couple 4x weaknesses in there, but is there anything else I'm missing?
Thanks

sharp radish Jan 23, 2025, 2:55 PM

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https://pokepast.es/820acef45cfd53f6

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Rate this

noble canopy Jan 23, 2025, 9:38 PM

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vague hemlock Several flaws with this team. 1. Band pult is not good especially in non Tera ...

ty for the help im new to comp pokemon

dapper vale Jan 23, 2025, 10:12 PM

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https://pokepast.es/81280d8b9290b460

can some1 rate it

vague hemlock Jan 23, 2025, 10:36 PM

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noble canopy ty for the help im new to comp pokemon

Anytime

vague hemlock Jan 23, 2025, 10:36 PM

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dapper vale https://pokepast.es/81280d8b9290b460 can some1 rate it

Got it in a bit id someone else don’t get it

dapper vale Jan 23, 2025, 10:37 PM

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alr

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why is my name blizzar what happened to the D in my name wtf 😭

dapper vale Jan 23, 2025, 11:06 PM

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i dont think anyone else will get it

hollow basalt Jan 23, 2025, 11:07 PM

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https://pokepast.es/4af6c37646f2be58

celest merlinBOT Jan 23, 2025, 11:07 PM

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dapper vale Jan 23, 2025, 11:13 PM

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omg there was someone i could've pinged to rate my teams all along

dapper vale Jan 23, 2025, 11:29 PM

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dapper vale https://pokepast.es/81280d8b9290b460 can some1 rate it

@limber crypt do u mind if u rate my team rq?

limber crypt Jan 24, 2025, 12:08 AM

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dapper vale https://pokepast.es/81280d8b9290b460 can some1 rate it

i would recommend looking at samples, outside of koko and waterpon i wouldnt realy recommend using any of the mons on this, the samples can help you understand which mons are good and what sets they run

limber crypt Jan 24, 2025, 12:09 AM

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hollow basalt https://pokepast.es/4af6c37646f2be58

cm prim sd > uturn on sciz and i think i would prefer taunt or volt over cm on bolt personally

dapper vale Jan 24, 2025, 12:13 AM

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limber crypt i would recommend looking at samples, outside of koko and waterpon i wouldnt rea...

aw

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not even like registeel or like

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hydreigon?

lament jetty Jan 24, 2025, 1:39 AM

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dapper vale hydreigon?

One of my favs

Doesn’t stop it from being ass

limber crypt Jan 24, 2025, 1:46 AM

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dapper vale aw

ok to say theyre unviable int true, registeel and chandelure def arent worth it but nidoking and hydreigon are fits for very specific teams, you could theoretically start from nidoking set and build around it for example

dapper vale Jan 24, 2025, 1:47 AM

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limber crypt ok to say theyre unviable int true, registeel and chandelure def arent worth it ...

alr so i changed the mons u said weren't too viable

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the team is now

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Volcarona
Mega Tyranitar
Ogerpon-Wellspring
Dragapult
Gholdengo
Tapu Koko

limber crypt Jan 24, 2025, 1:50 AM

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dapper vale Volcarona Mega Tyranitar Ogerpon-Wellspring Dragapult Gholdengo Tapu Koko

paste the team

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this is already a very strong start tho

dapper vale Jan 24, 2025, 1:51 AM

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alr hold up

dapper vale Jan 24, 2025, 1:54 AM

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limber crypt this is already a very strong start tho

https://pokepast.es/a63842d7539b3b01 just whooped my friends ass with this thing

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this team

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is awesome

merry delta Jan 24, 2025, 2:03 AM

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Think a ground type over Koko is beneficial. Probs Lando or Gliscor

dapper vale Jan 24, 2025, 2:03 AM

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yeah true

merry delta Jan 24, 2025, 2:03 AM

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Tera blast is also useless

dapper vale Jan 24, 2025, 2:03 AM

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oh wait yeah i forgot

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so that mega tyranitar

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im pairing it up with sand rush excadrill

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nvm

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great tusk

merry delta Jan 24, 2025, 2:05 AM

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I say Lando

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Because it checks gambit, gives ground, and is a ground immune itself

dapper vale Jan 24, 2025, 2:06 AM

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merry delta Because it checks gambit, gives ground, and is a ground immune itself

oh wait yeah u right

merry delta Jan 24, 2025, 2:08 AM

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https://pokepast.es/2f89b29021dd0482 wdyt of this? Changed the sets of the others mons too

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To better fit the structure

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And some other minor issues

dapper vale Jan 24, 2025, 2:08 AM

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why no make it rain gholdengo?

merry delta Jan 24, 2025, 2:09 AM

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It’s generally not neccessary

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Focus blast is better coverage for kgb

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In terms of other options

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You can make the ghold hex twave Ghold

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And pivot ogerpon

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But I’d keep at least one of the big breaker setup guys because that will improve ur mu vs. balance and fat, I suggest you try hex Ghold maybe asw

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https://pokepast.es/4b155a695887fc35

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Like this

dapper vale Jan 24, 2025, 2:12 AM

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using it rn

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the previous team u sent

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its rlly good

merry delta Jan 24, 2025, 2:12 AM

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Nice

dapper vale Jan 24, 2025, 2:12 AM

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i one shotted my friends jolteon with mega tyranitar knock off

merry delta Jan 24, 2025, 2:12 AM

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As long as ur having fun with it

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Then that’s good

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If you don’t like it then you can at least fiddle around with the team more and see what you like

dapper vale Jan 24, 2025, 2:14 AM

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yeah rn i like it but i might swap out smthn on tyranitar for equake

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but yeah ty for helping me with this team

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its rlly powerful

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just beat my friend with only my mega tyranitar gone

merry delta Jan 24, 2025, 2:16 AM

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Lol nice stuff

dapper vale Jan 24, 2025, 2:17 AM

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dude had three pokemon left and all got one shotted by ivy cudge

bitter gazelle Jan 24, 2025, 2:17 AM

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Hey ineros, any chance you could take a look at my team?

dapper vale Jan 24, 2025, 2:18 AM

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i might be able to assist too

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while i whoop my friends ass again

bitter gazelle Jan 24, 2025, 2:19 AM

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bitter gazelle https://pokepast.es/1eaa25c8713ed3d5 This is my first attempt at building a com...

here it is if you want to try Blizzard

dapper vale Jan 24, 2025, 2:30 AM

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merry delta Lol nice stuff

you wanna see how badly i just murdered my friend

merry delta Jan 24, 2025, 2:30 AM

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bitter gazelle Hey ineros, any chance you could take a look at my team?

Sure send it over

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Sorry was in a game

bitter gazelle Jan 24, 2025, 2:31 AM

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its good, its linked in chat already

merry delta Jan 24, 2025, 2:32 AM

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bitter gazelle https://pokepast.es/1eaa25c8713ed3d5 This is my first attempt at building a com...

This?

bitter gazelle Jan 24, 2025, 2:33 AM

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yes

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please

merry delta Jan 24, 2025, 2:34 AM

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Ngl in a competitive sense half of these mons don’t really have use; is there a specific one you wanted to build around?

bitter gazelle Jan 24, 2025, 2:34 AM

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Feraligatr

merry delta Jan 24, 2025, 2:35 AM

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Hm

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Let me ponder on this guy

dapper vale Jan 24, 2025, 2:35 AM

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yo ineros wanna see the work i could do with the team u gave me

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since my friend was enough of a dumbass to let me swords dance as fucking ogerpon

merry delta Jan 24, 2025, 2:36 AM

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Sure

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Pm

dapper vale Jan 24, 2025, 2:37 AM

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alr

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wait ur dms are off

azure patrol Jan 25, 2025, 10:50 AM

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https://pokepast.es/767b216bddba4a35

How can I improve this team?

celest merlinBOT Jan 25, 2025, 10:50 AM

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charred parcel Jan 25, 2025, 1:25 PM

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azure patrol https://pokepast.es/767b216bddba4a35 How can I improve this team?

I feel like your kinda wasting your megastone here, mega scisor isn't bad by any means but it's not much better then the already good scisor and it's just mons such as mega kengascan provide more value with their megas

gentle summit Jan 25, 2025, 1:31 PM

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i used the smogon moveset for most of them

azure patrol Jan 25, 2025, 2:38 PM

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charred parcel I feel like your kinda wasting your megastone here, mega scisor isn't bad by any...

Aight what kinda team should I run for the lower elos

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I need a general idea

charred parcel Jan 25, 2025, 2:43 PM

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azure patrol Aight what kinda team should I run for the lower elos

Well I'm pretty sure no matter what mega kengascan is just about the best one you can have outside of mega Rayquaza and the primals

rigid torrent Jan 25, 2025, 8:23 PM

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https://pokepast.es/998a5aa9c946fc1d

celest merlinBOT Jan 25, 2025, 8:23 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

rigid torrent Jan 25, 2025, 8:24 PM

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I had volcanion over cinder but I decided to change it and try cinder both been working fine

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I also had defog>focus blast on torn t

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But I'm noticing defog doesn't help that much since alot of my mons has boots and hitting gambit is nice

vague hemlock Jan 25, 2025, 10:19 PM

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Kinda worried about your matchup vs stuff like Ogerpon

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I think pivot raging bolt could be a good option here

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I think you could drop torn for it personally

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Idt you need rocks as much due to court change so you could forgo rocks on lando for Defog but you can use your discretion on that one

naive wharf Jan 25, 2025, 10:41 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ace5dc4252a2992b i tried building a pecharunt team but i couldnt really decide the last 2 pokemon also this team is weak to fire and especially iron moth

merry delta Jan 25, 2025, 10:59 PM

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Deos is banned

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Isn’t this meant for sv ou?

vague hemlock Jan 25, 2025, 11:02 PM

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It is it seems as that’s what it says in paste

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#1297721195604611163

rigid torrent Jan 26, 2025, 12:29 AM

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vague hemlock I think pivot raging bolt could be a good option here

pivot ?

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what evs n shi

rigid torrent Jan 26, 2025, 12:30 AM

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vague hemlock Idt you need rocks as much due to court change so you could forgo rocks on lando...

that argument could be the same for defog kinda lol

vague hemlock Jan 26, 2025, 12:42 AM

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https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/raging-bolt/national-dex/

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Check here

azure patrol Jan 26, 2025, 6:41 AM

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Any possible improvements to this team?
https://pokepast.es/c4f0cbefca896514

celest merlinBOT Jan 26, 2025, 6:41 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

rigid torrent Jan 26, 2025, 11:47 AM

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vague hemlock https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/raging-bolt/national-dex/

Thanks

naive wharf Jan 26, 2025, 3:21 PM

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merry delta Isn’t this meant for sv ou?

Oh sorry my bad wrong place

noble canopy Jan 26, 2025, 10:10 PM

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what would you guys change
https://pokepast.es/16d133da9f1aa00a

tall tendon Jan 26, 2025, 10:11 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ce925cbb2988232a

Tried making a m pinsir team

celest merlinBOT Jan 26, 2025, 10:11 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gentle summit Jan 27, 2025, 2:54 AM

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https://pokepast.es/ed6c51dc660d7d3f How to I make theese fellas better

merry delta Jan 27, 2025, 3:44 AM

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Half of this team is unviable and the EVs are really strange

gentle summit Jan 27, 2025, 4:19 AM

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merry delta Half of this team is unviable and the EVs are really strange

which pokemon are unviable?

neon yarrow Jan 27, 2025, 5:38 AM

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https://pokepast.es/28ef345124a536fd

celest merlinBOT Jan 27, 2025, 5:39 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

neon yarrow Jan 27, 2025, 5:39 AM

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Only rule for this team is keep Gren.

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Please give advice and stuff.

plush lintel Jan 27, 2025, 7:06 AM

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https://pokepast.es/57b7258dc9eaade8

rigid torrent Jan 27, 2025, 5:04 PM

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plush lintel https://pokepast.es/57b7258dc9eaade8

I stared at this for awhile and I don't like the look of it just based on the mons but I can't really notice any big weaknesses

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Other than koko

plush lintel Jan 27, 2025, 5:05 PM

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rigid torrent I stared at this for awhile and I don't like the look of it just based on the mo...

lmao, fair

plush lintel Jan 27, 2025, 5:05 PM

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rigid torrent Other than koko

wdym? koko against or for

rigid torrent Jan 27, 2025, 5:05 PM

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Against

plush lintel Jan 27, 2025, 5:05 PM

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is scizor not good enough?

rigid torrent Jan 27, 2025, 5:05 PM

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Not really specs tbolt 2hkos

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Lemme calc tho

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Just incase I'm wrong

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Cus I think terrain got nerfed in new gens

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252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 128 SpD Scizor-Mega in Electric Terrain: 204-240 (59.4 - 69.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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This is boots

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252 SpA Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 128 SpD Scizor-Mega in Electric Terrain: 135-160 (39.3 - 46.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

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With rocks up its 31.3% ohko

plush lintel Jan 27, 2025, 5:26 PM

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lmao

plush lintel Jan 27, 2025, 5:27 PM

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gentle summit which pokemon are unviable?

everything bsides pult corv

uncut sky Jan 27, 2025, 6:41 PM

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https://pokepast.es/46ef8efdd23f2bae
Is this a usable team? If there are any changes you guys have, could you list them? Thank you.

celest merlinBOT Jan 27, 2025, 6:41 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

neon yarrow Jan 27, 2025, 8:49 PM

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neon yarrow https://pokepast.es/28ef345124a536fd

.

gray meteor Jan 27, 2025, 9:06 PM

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Anyone got any link to full power sun team NATdex OU

noble canopy Jan 28, 2025, 12:03 AM

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what would you guys change
https://pokepast.es/16d133da9f1aa00a

gentle summit Jan 28, 2025, 12:33 AM

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plush lintel everything bsides pult corv

even gallade?

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i used the smogon moveset for him

plush lintel Jan 28, 2025, 9:24 AM

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gentle summit even gallade?

yeah. u COULD use it if u wanna

gentle summit Jan 28, 2025, 9:36 AM

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plush lintel yeah. u COULD use it if u wanna

How do i make him relatively better?

waxen dawn Jan 28, 2025, 3:12 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e6bdce86a782f578 yo chat can someone help me with this team

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Im almost finished with it

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idk what else to add

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or what to change

modest violet Jan 28, 2025, 11:39 PM

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https://pokepast.es/08284aea4b9cadb3 i made this team as a joke, but its actually...semi-decent i think

hollow radish Jan 29, 2025, 3:30 AM

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waxen dawn https://pokepast.es/e6bdce86a782f578 yo chat can someone help me with this team

Ftr I believe you should either ask for help in #comp-general for uncompleted teams

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Or put in anything fodder that makes at least some sense in 6th slot and then send for rating

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I don’t know much about it but

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Sus.

plush lintel Jan 29, 2025, 4:45 AM

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https://pokepast.es/57b7258dc9eaade8

celest merlinBOT Jan 29, 2025, 4:45 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

waxen dawn Jan 29, 2025, 5:24 AM

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hollow radish

oh sorry

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people said to post my team in this channel for help in comp general

hollow radish Jan 29, 2025, 5:25 AM

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waxen dawn people said to post my team in this channel for help in comp general

Yea uh

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That’s completed teams

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It’s confusing and weird at first but you get used to it LOL

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5 years in Smogcord now it’s automatic to me

waxen dawn Jan 29, 2025, 5:26 AM

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hollow radish 5 years in Smogcord now it’s automatic to me

oh ok

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can u help me with a team for natdex

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ou i think

hollow radish Jan 29, 2025, 5:26 AM

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waxen dawn can u help me with a team for natdex

I can try

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But my NatDex OU knowledge is limited

waxen dawn Jan 29, 2025, 5:27 AM

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hollow radish I can try

does koko + mmedicham e terrain work in nat dex teams

hollow radish Jan 29, 2025, 5:28 AM

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waxen dawn does koko + mmedicham e terrain work in nat dex teams

If you mean hard electric terrain, no

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But if you mean koko + mmedi as a two-mon core I am pretty sure yes

waxen dawn Jan 29, 2025, 5:29 AM

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hollow radish If you mean hard electric terrain, no

?

hollow radish Jan 29, 2025, 5:29 AM

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Like

waxen dawn Jan 29, 2025, 5:29 AM

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hollow radish But if you mean koko + mmedi as a two-mon core I am pretty sure yes

yeah

hollow radish Jan 29, 2025, 5:29 AM

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6 months abusing Electric Terrain

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Then no

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But just the two of them then I believe yes

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They have good synergy, both in terms of types and also to aid in covering offensive and defensive teams both

waxen dawn Jan 29, 2025, 5:30 AM

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hollow radish But just the two of them then I believe yes

oh ok

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u think this works

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Tapu Koko @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

Thunderbolt
Roost
Hidden Power Ice
U-turn

hollow radish Jan 29, 2025, 5:31 AM

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Well this is a smogdex set so yes

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But it depends on

waxen dawn Jan 29, 2025, 5:31 AM

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or should I go for screens

hollow radish Jan 29, 2025, 5:31 AM

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The full team

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Screens with mmedi does not seem like it

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Koko + MMedi is more of a bulky offense thing I reckon

waxen dawn Jan 29, 2025, 5:31 AM

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hollow radish Koko + MMedi is more of a bulky offense thing I reckon

true

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Medicham @ Medichamite
Ability: Telepathy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

Close Combat
Zen Headbutt
Fake Out
Ice Punch

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is this a good set

hollow radish Jan 29, 2025, 5:32 AM

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Yes

waxen dawn Jan 29, 2025, 5:32 AM

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I could switch out ice punch

hollow radish Jan 29, 2025, 5:32 AM

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It’s a smogdex set again lol

waxen dawn Jan 29, 2025, 5:32 AM

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hollow radish It’s a smogdex set again lol

yeah

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it works

hollow radish Jan 29, 2025, 5:32 AM

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Ice Punch is semi-vital unless you have excellent coverage against the grounds

waxen dawn Jan 29, 2025, 5:32 AM

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hollow radish Ice Punch is semi-vital unless you have excellent coverage against the grounds

yeah i'll think about it when my teams done

hollow radish Jan 29, 2025, 5:32 AM

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Bet gl

waxen dawn Jan 29, 2025, 5:33 AM

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hollow radish Bet gl

this my current team

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https://pokepast.es/57cce26e55076429

hollow radish Jan 29, 2025, 5:34 AM

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That’s still 2 mons

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Generally my logic is like

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Go through with smogdex “team options” tabs or overall analysis

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And pick partners that have synergy with the mons ur building with

waxen dawn Jan 29, 2025, 5:35 AM

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oh wait

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does specs tapu work

hollow radish Jan 29, 2025, 5:35 AM

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Then send for rating for actual human analyses lol

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Prolly does too

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But then again

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It is

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2h35 AM

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For me

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Lmao!

waxen dawn Jan 29, 2025, 5:35 AM

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...

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uhh

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should I add lando defog

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what set u think works here

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like full hp def or hp speed

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could be a stealth rocker but im not sure since I dont have any hazard removal though

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I could run heavy duty boots on my mons

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but It depends

solid palm Jan 29, 2025, 4:35 PM

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is porygon z conversion still good?

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since it has thunderbeam coverage

plush lintel Jan 29, 2025, 4:36 PM

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https://pokepast.es/57b7258dc9eaade8

celest merlinBOT Jan 29, 2025, 4:36 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

rigid torrent Jan 29, 2025, 9:37 PM

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https://pokepast.es/132fbc6925ff5fa9

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this is a team i made for my friend hes kinda new

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hes hardstuck 1500s but hes saying hes winning almost every battle until he runs into stall

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is there anything i can do with the team to improve stall mu or is it just a skill issue

uncut sky Jan 30, 2025, 12:09 AM

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https://pokepast.es/46ef8efdd23f2bae
Is this aight? Ik its a repost but it wasnt seen

celest merlinBOT Jan 30, 2025, 12:09 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gray meteor Jan 30, 2025, 3:22 AM

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https://pokepast.es/0f936b37de33b71e
What else could I put on this team?

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Was thinking maybe a fire type and water. Something that has Intimidate maybe? More op legendaries, or U-turn Volt switch of some sort to abuse rocky helmet & iron barbs + Regenerator.

Maybe Hisuian Samurott for Spike + Rocks from ferro?

vague hemlock Jan 30, 2025, 4:25 AM

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We only rate complete teams

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But some speed control (fast Pokémon) and a ground type would be good here

gray meteor Jan 30, 2025, 6:09 AM

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vague hemlock But some speed control (fast Pokémon) and a ground type would be good here

So excadril for rapid spin, Quagsire for water absorb, gliscor, garchomp or some ground Paradox do you think?

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https://pokepast.es/6e738330aa9614cc Completed team, but I want to look to replace Lando, as I already put leftover and idk what else to put on it

plush lintel Jan 30, 2025, 6:44 AM

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gen 8 lando moveset.. nostalgia

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 11:32 AM

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https://pokepast.es/b1f6a806162a4d15

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im having trouble against gambit

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 11:41 AM

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solid palm im having trouble against gambit

Ok listen ik i said I'm bad at ndou but

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U have a whole fucking zama

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An idbp zama at that

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And u have a mega mawile

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 11:42 AM

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next forge An idbp zama at that

it gets taken out by other things first

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and if i dont deploy it

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 11:42 AM

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Then don't let it then...

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 11:42 AM

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everything else dies

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 11:42 AM

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Or get checks to other stuff

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Or just make this a HO team atp cuz cmon u have no defensive backbone here

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Not even a ground type

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 11:42 AM

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next forge Or just make this a HO team atp cuz cmon u have no defensive backbone here

its not an ho team?

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 11:43 AM

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I said make it

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A Ho team

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 11:43 AM

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next forge Not even a ground type

This gets shredded by tapu koko

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 11:43 AM

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i thought it was a ho team already ;-;

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 11:43 AM

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solid palm i thought it was a ho team already ;-;

U have no lead

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 11:43 AM

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next forge U have no lead

terapogos

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 11:43 AM

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That's a rlly mid lead

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No taunt

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Can't do anything vs zapdos

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Or balloon ghold

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 11:44 AM

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next forge Or balloon ghold

i usually just start out with dragapult if i think they gonna do that-

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 11:44 AM

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But then u dont get rocks up

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 11:44 AM

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yea...

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 11:44 AM

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It just makes things hardee

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Harder

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 11:45 AM

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next forge It just makes things hardee

also mega altaria

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cooks me

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late game atleast

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 11:46 AM

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Mega alt is barely viable

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 11:46 AM

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next forge Mega alt is barely viable

ik

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im still in low elo ;-;

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just tryna get my feet off the ground in natdex ou

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rn

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but everytime i try

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i feel like smt is shovin me down lower

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its either a mon that i have no of countering

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or just smt else

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 11:49 AM

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next forge Mega alt is barely viable

should i just replace terapogos

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with lando

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or?

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 11:49 AM

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Prob ye

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:05 PM

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next forge Prob ye

wouldnt a gliscor be better tho

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:05 PM

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solid palm wouldnt a gliscor be better tho

Too slow for the team

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Glisc works better on BO and balance

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:05 PM

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next forge Too slow for the team

what if it dies first turn tho

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:05 PM

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This is basically offense

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:05 PM

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solid palm what if it dies first turn tho

Ok what if glisc dies turn 1 tho

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Then what

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:06 PM

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gliscor is way more tanky

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:06 PM

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Also glisc doesn't check kgb or zama like lando does

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:06 PM

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and can regen

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:06 PM

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next forge Also glisc doesn't check kgb or zama like lando does

how does it not?

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:07 PM

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solid palm how does it not?

No intimidate

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Also invests more in spdef anyways

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:07 PM

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they still gonna two shot u

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and ur not faster

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:07 PM

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Lando is faster than kgb actually

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:07 PM

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sucker

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:07 PM

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Taunt

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Slows it down a lot

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:08 PM

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but its gonna die first to third turn anyways

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since its a lead

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:08 PM

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Also unless u let kgb get +2 with 5 fallen

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Lando is good enough at slowing it down

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:08 PM

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solid palm but its gonna die first to third turn anyways

Ye also glisc can't hold focus sash sooo

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Cuz u need toxic orb

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:09 PM

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next forge Ye also glisc can't hold focus sash sooo

either of them

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arent making it

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to the part of the battle

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:09 PM

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Also what does ogerpon do here btw

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:09 PM

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where zama or kgb are gonna be deployed

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:09 PM

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next forge Also what does ogerpon do here btw

just plopped him in cuz i dont like dealing with ting liu

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:10 PM

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solid palm just plopped him in cuz i dont like dealing with ting liu

Why didn't u just go iron valiant

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:10 PM

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next forge Why didn't u just go iron valiant

wont one shot

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and doesnt have as much set up potential

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in my opinion

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:10 PM

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solid palm wont one shot

252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Ting-Lu: 366-432 (71.2 - 84%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

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?

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:11 PM

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next forge 252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Ting-Lu...

im gonna use ivy cudgel after sding once?

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also sorry for the slow messeges net is being shi again

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:11 PM

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Ok but with valiant u can just click close combat twice

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Or use sd and then cc

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Also valiant is faster (with booster) and has encore

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And beats zama kgb

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Depending on what set u use

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Mixed owns both of them while sd with spirit Break also works

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Altho sd rlly likes encore

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:12 PM

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next forge Mixed owns both of them while sd with spirit Break also works

yea u right

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he hasnt been doing much

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ogerpon in most games

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just does chip

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or takes one mon

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and dies

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:13 PM

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Also ogerpon is literally setup fodder for mega altaria

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Esp without play rough

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:14 PM

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next forge Also ogerpon is literally setup fodder for mega altaria

also

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i have a question

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why dont zamas

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run playrough instead of crunch?

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:14 PM

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solid palm run playrough instead of crunch?

Gholdengo

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:14 PM

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besides

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yea him

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:14 PM

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Ghold is that important

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Also hits ceruledge I GUESS

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:15 PM

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next forge Ghold is that important

i have dragapult tho?

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:15 PM

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solid palm i have dragapult tho?

Ye but not worth losing all of zama's boost

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When u can just click crunch

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:15 PM

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next forge Ye but not worth losing all of zama's boost

Including dauntless shield

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:15 PM

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next forge Ye but not worth losing all of zama's boost

but

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hes a spa guy?

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def doesnt matter

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:16 PM

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?

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What

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:16 PM

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ghold

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:16 PM

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Zama is not a special attacker

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No I'm talking abt zama

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If u use prough zama and ghold comes in

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Either u lose zama trying to 1v1 ghold

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Or u switch and lose all of zama's boost

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It's a lose-lose

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:16 PM

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next forge Or u switch and lose all of zama's boost

While also having smth else get hit in the process

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:16 PM

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btw what should

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zama click infront of charizard y

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:17 PM

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Zardy should get owned by stealth rock

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So it just dies to +3 bpress

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Zardy in general gets owned by HO anyways

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Loses to rocks loses to pult

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Etc

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:18 PM

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ok

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:18 PM

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next forge Etc

wait

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what set

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do i use

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on

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lando

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:19 PM

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solid palm lando

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Taunt
Explosion / U-turn

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:20 PM

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ok

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:22 PM

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next forge Landorus-Therian (M) @ Focus Sash Ability: Intimidate EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252...

whats the benifit of going explosion instead of u turn

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 12:24 PM

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solid palm whats the benifit of going explosion instead of u turn

Let's u pivot and block defog at the same time

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Also let's u nuke smth

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Like ogerpon

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 12:24 PM

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ok

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 2:14 PM

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https://pokepast.es/2dd43b677a406e92

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ngl

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the fact some mons

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can survive

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a 3x atk mega mawile

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is wild to me

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without a def boosts

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they dont even have unaware

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NOR RESIST IT

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 3:42 PM

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solid palm https://pokepast.es/2dd43b677a406e92

@next forge

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if i replaced

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volcarona with volcanion

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would it make it better

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 4:19 PM

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No

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 4:23 PM

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next forge No

but

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but

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IT GETS WALLEEDDDD

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by super duper tanky monsss

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 4:29 PM

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Ok wtf is volcanion gonna do

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 4:31 PM

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next forge Ok wtf is volcanion gonna do

kill them without being destroyed in one hit?

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 4:31 PM

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solid palm kill them without being destroyed in one hit?

No

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It also gets walled

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And has no setup

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And is too slow

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stinkyfart

solid palm Jan 30, 2025, 4:32 PM

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wahhhh

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i hate life

gray meteor Jan 30, 2025, 5:05 PM

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gray meteor https://pokepast.es/6e738330aa9614cc Completed team, but I want to look to repla...

Anyone got any ideas?

warm vapor Jan 30, 2025, 7:20 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e2a4044d2ff9fea6 Zard Y Sun

celest merlinBOT Jan 30, 2025, 7:20 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

hollow radish Jan 30, 2025, 8:32 PM

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https://pokepast.es/18ee129ab1891431

Suspect test stuff

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 8:50 PM

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hollow radish https://pokepast.es/18ee129ab1891431 Suspect test stuff

Surely u can just fuse landoT and kartana together as great tusk

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This looks a little bit kgb weak

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Just a bit

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Also i found that pivot raging bolt is usually better on sun teams

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Esp if u wanna use roaring moon

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U want more pivots if ur gna drop lando too

hollow radish Jan 30, 2025, 8:52 PM

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next forge Surely u can just fuse landoT and kartana together as great tusk

Ah ok tu

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So

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Pivot bolt, great tusk over lando

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And then what over kart?

next forge Jan 30, 2025, 8:53 PM

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Yeye

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Hmmm

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U prob want a steel type cuz lele looks a bit annoying

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Not sure which

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Maybe iron crown?

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Ghold could work too ig

hollow radish Jan 30, 2025, 8:55 PM

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Crown is a good call actually yea

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Ty

covert lava Jan 30, 2025, 9:24 PM

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this is @uncut sky natdex ou team https://pokepast.es/0a20372c305aa328

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he asked me to post it

mighty pendant Jan 30, 2025, 10:12 PM

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https://pokepast.es/f38ac35414d94d8a
Wanted to try offense as it's not my usual playstyle. done pretty decent but bad matchup into rain
Clodsire would fix the rain matchup but ruin the team so...

gray meteor Jan 30, 2025, 11:24 PM

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https://pokepast.es/71669f6b19ac0214
No hazzard remover, should I add in one? Also should I get rid of Garchomp and put banded Zamazenta?

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https://pokepast.es/6e738330aa9614cc
What I had prior, but I think of getting rid of Landorus to put in something more usable for only solo Hazzard removal. Like Excadril or Great Tusk

vague hemlock Jan 31, 2025, 12:25 AM

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Make lando more defensive I do not like spdef

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Slowking galar > alomomola

rigid torrent Jan 31, 2025, 7:53 AM

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https://pokepast.es/132fbc6925ff5fa9
this is a team i made for my friend hes kinda new
hes hardstuck 1500s but hes saying hes winning almost every battle until he runs into stall
is there anything i can do with the team to improve stall mu or is it just a skill issue

celest merlinBOT Jan 31, 2025, 7:53 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

solid palm Jan 31, 2025, 7:02 PM

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https://pokepast.es/1967f2529c3cd303

solid palm Jan 31, 2025, 7:02 PM

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solid palm https://pokepast.es/1967f2529c3cd303

@next forge

solid palm Jan 31, 2025, 7:22 PM

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solid palm https://pokepast.es/1967f2529c3cd303

@limber crypt

solid palm Jan 31, 2025, 8:07 PM

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the melmetal

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was just put there

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cuz idk what to put there

gray meteor Jan 31, 2025, 10:38 PM

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vague hemlock Slowking galar > alomomola

wouldnt it be tragic since both are weak to earthquake? Aka Ferro and Slowking

vague hemlock Jan 31, 2025, 11:11 PM

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gray meteor wouldnt it be tragic since both are weak to earthquake? Aka Ferro and Slowking

Ferro is neutral

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It’s half grass

warm vapor Feb 1, 2025, 2:03 AM

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https://pokepast.es/b247ee5e9ea88f99 Zard Y sun w/ Moon

celest merlinBOT Feb 1, 2025, 2:03 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 2:15 AM

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warm vapor https://pokepast.es/b247ee5e9ea88f99 Zard Y sun w/ Moon

This not bad tbh

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But I suggest gambit > crown

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You really wanna trap pult cause it’s annoying asf otherwise

warm vapor Feb 1, 2025, 2:16 AM

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Alrighty

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I was worried about being being too weak to fighting but Zard + Hatterene should cover it actually

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 2:16 AM

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Assault vest gambit

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Ye those are good enough fs

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You could also do earthquake > iron head on moon

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Av gambit frees you up a bit

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Eq allow you to hit bolt without locking into dragon move and hit gambit

warm vapor Feb 1, 2025, 2:18 AM

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Yeah that sounds better, but would I be too weak to fairy?

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 2:22 AM

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Yeah Val could be a bit annoying you could do victini > hatt but you really have to play vs rain carefully as preserve bolt and moon.

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I think your tusk could be bulk up as well

warm vapor Feb 1, 2025, 2:25 AM

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Alrighty

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Yeah I went for Victini over Bolt

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I’ll just need to play more aggressively using Hatterene

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 2:27 AM

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Hf bro

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Lmk if anything

warm vapor Feb 1, 2025, 2:29 AM

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Thank you, appreciate it!

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 2:30 AM

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Anytime

plush lintel Feb 1, 2025, 3:22 AM

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https://pokepast.es/57b7258dc9eaade8
been 3 days 😭

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 10:36 AM

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ngl

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kind of alot

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 11:35 AM

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koko doesnt

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use z moves

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hes a pivot mon

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that sets up terrain

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why arent u running horn leach on ogerpon instead of power whip

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also i see ur tryna run weakness policy on dnite

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but u didnt even put the extra 4 evs into anything

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z move doesnt do shi

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u can deal with them

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with a regular

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ahh tbolt

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ALSO WHY ARE U RUNNING TBOLT ON VALIANT

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WHEN U HAVE KOKO

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dawg

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i was new at a point too

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i wouldnt make mistakes like this back then tho-

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elo pls.

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wtf-

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how did u get that much elo with this shit of a team

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let me see it

celest merlinBOT Feb 1, 2025, 11:42 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 11:43 AM

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makes sense

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its a good enough team

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just look at viability rankings and samples man

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and play like 50 matches

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u will be able to catch on to the trend

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:08 PM

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solid palm use z moves

It does please don’t give advice unless you know the tier

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It can run electrium z or Farium Z in fact

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:09 PM

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plush lintel https://pokepast.es/57b7258dc9eaade8 been 3 days 😭

Scarf koko feels weird

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Just make it boots or z

plush lintel Feb 1, 2025, 12:10 PM

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vague hemlock Scarf koko feels weird

lose to dpult

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:10 PM

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You also need a way to punish pult as it’s kinda get free clicks vs your team rn

plush lintel Feb 1, 2025, 12:10 PM

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yep^

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so im thinking specs koko and scarf rm

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:10 PM

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I think gambit should be here somewhere

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:12 PM

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vague hemlock It does please don’t give advice unless you know the tier

while we are on the subject of people giving advice

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i have submitted teams like 3 to 2 times now

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:13 PM

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If someone sees it we will rate it we have lives

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:13 PM

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and have not gotten advice from anyone whos supposed to be in charge of it

next forge Feb 1, 2025, 12:13 PM

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patience young one

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:13 PM

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Not really a fan of this HO

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:14 PM

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vague hemlock If someone sees it we will rate it we have lives

do u mean if its in their view?

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:15 PM

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No ghost resist (pult and Ghold gets free clicks with shadow ball) gets punished by scarf lele etc. you also have a severe lack of water resistance

plush lintel Feb 1, 2025, 12:15 PM

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solid palm do u mean if its in their view?

if someone gets on this channel and wants to rate it and has free time

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:15 PM

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@cobalt skiff

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:16 PM

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im about to tweak but ok.

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:17 PM

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Link your team again you can also bump it

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:17 PM

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vague hemlock Link your team again you can also bump it

whats bumping

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:17 PM

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That’s what non demanding users do

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They reply to when they drop their team so it’s more visible

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Like what immortal did

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:18 PM

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ok

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https://pokepast.es/1967f2529c3cd303

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:20 PM

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I honestly feel this can prob be webs or something outside of booster moon this feels slow

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You can make mega gyra the webs mon. It’s not that good I tried it

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Melm can be swords dance gambit

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:20 PM

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vague hemlock You can make mega gyra the webs mon. It’s not that good I tried it

im thinking of dropping him honestly

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hes not very good

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:21 PM

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It can be defiant if you want too since you are running webs

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:21 PM

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but idk what other mega to use

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:21 PM

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Megas aren’t required so that’s the good thing

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:21 PM

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vague hemlock Megas aren’t required so that’s the good thing

what would u have me use in place of him then

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:21 PM

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Your tusk can also be booster attack with bulk up

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:22 PM

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vague hemlock You can make mega gyra the webs mon. It’s not that good I tried it

.

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:22 PM

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vague hemlock Your tusk can also be booster attack with bulk up

im having problems with taking

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hazards off

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cuz of dragapult

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and aegislash

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:23 PM

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You punish pult they don’t wanna switch into tusk

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Make it bulk up, head long rush, ice spinner and rapid spin with booster attack

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:24 PM

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vague hemlock Make it bulk up, head long rush, ice spinner and rapid spin with booster attack

alr

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:24 PM

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Melm can be gambit with black glasses swords dance knock off sucker punch and lowkick

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:24 PM

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vague hemlock Melm can be gambit with black glasses swords dance knock off sucker punch and lo...

wait

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why would i wanna use

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a priority user

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with

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tapu lele

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:25 PM

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Oh lele ye you right

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:25 PM

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yea the whole purpose of the team is to

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:25 PM

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I think lele can be like iron val prob you get similar stuff out of it

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:25 PM

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shut down

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:25 PM

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Prio

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:25 PM

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priority mons

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:25 PM

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You aren’t that vulnerable to prio anymore tho

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Since the changes

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Webs being the biggest

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:26 PM

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vague hemlock Webs being the biggest

webs are pretty easy to take out tho

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since the abundance of rapid spinners

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:26 PM

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Not if you apply the correct pressure

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:26 PM

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vague hemlock Not if you apply the correct pressure

hm alr but wouldnt i want a ghost mon

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:26 PM

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Yes

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:26 PM

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to fake the rapid spinners out

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:26 PM

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Ghold > lele

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Balloon ghold

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It’s very annoying

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:27 PM

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vague hemlock Balloon ghold

clear body drag tho

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thats the inherent problem with webs i think

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:27 PM

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Gambit threatens it

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Most clear bodys are dragon dance

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:27 PM

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vague hemlock Gambit threatens it

not enough to not bring it out

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i feel

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:28 PM

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It is lol

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:28 PM

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vague hemlock It is lol

alr

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what webs mon should i use tho

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araq?

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:28 PM

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Araq ye I haven’t seen it too much in nd but it’s def the best Webber imo

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:29 PM

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vague hemlock Araq ye I haven’t seen it too much in nd but it’s def the best Webber imo

theres also leaveany tho

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:29 PM

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You pressure the spinner in great tusk

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:29 PM

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solid palm theres also leaveany tho

Nah this one bad fs

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:29 PM

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vague hemlock You pressure the spinner in great tusk

aigh

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:29 PM

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Your webber wants to apply offensive pressure to removal

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Which araq does

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:29 PM

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so red card araq

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:29 PM

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Which makes it harder to get webs off

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:29 PM

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zapdos tho

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:30 PM

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Custap Berry

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:30 PM

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hm alr

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:30 PM

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solid palm zapdos tho

Doesn’t really wanna switch in and they don’t always run Defog

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:30 PM

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vague hemlock Doesn’t really wanna switch in and they don’t always run Defog

yea i still dont get why they dont always run it

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:30 PM

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And you can deter Defog

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With defiant gambit and ghold

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So they don’t get a free Defog

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:31 PM

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vague hemlock With defiant gambit and ghold

defiant gambit?

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:31 PM

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Ye

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:31 PM

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why

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:31 PM

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Defiant boost your attack if a stat drop (if they click defog evasion drops which still gives gambit a free sd)

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:32 PM

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vague hemlock Defiant boost your attack if a stat drop (if they click defog evasion drops whic...

OHHHH

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:32 PM

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Ye

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:32 PM

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forgot defog does that

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:32 PM

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Yup

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:32 PM

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vague hemlock Yup

what set for ghold btw

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:33 PM

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Gholdengo @ Air Balloon
Ability: Good as Gold
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Timid Nature

Nasty Plot
Shadow Ball
Make It Rain
Focus Blast

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Could also run recover > make it rain

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Depends on your needs

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:33 PM

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aigh

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:33 PM

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Gl lmk

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How it goes

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:38 PM

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vague hemlock Gl lmk

https://pokepast.es/d64175f765258693

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so this is the team right

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or did i miss smt

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 12:40 PM

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Nah you got it

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Good job

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Hf

solid palm Feb 1, 2025, 12:43 PM

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aight thx

gray meteor Feb 1, 2025, 5:10 PM

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vague hemlock Ferro is neutral

https://pokepast.es/7b86337b7f952e40 What about this

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I kinda want to keep flip turn for a free switch out

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and its a psuedo healer

quaint adder Feb 1, 2025, 8:14 PM

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Tips plssss https://pokepast.es/2578df43af2189e3

celest merlinBOT Feb 1, 2025, 8:14 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

quaint adder Feb 1, 2025, 8:14 PM

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celest merlin New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT <@324915094674997250>, <@1209750849920962601>, <@11...

:0 theres a chatot bot yooo

stone stirrup Feb 1, 2025, 9:27 PM

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https://pokepast.es/b5e5cd37eb4ad907 hello i just made this and i am new to teambuilding what do you think

warm vapor Feb 1, 2025, 9:42 PM

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vague hemlock Lmk if anything

Sorry to bother, but for Great Tusk, would you recommend running booster energy on it?

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Or should I opt for HDB/lefties?

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 9:50 PM

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Nah in sun you get the boost naturally

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So yes lefties or boots I personally suggest lefties

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 9:52 PM

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stone stirrup https://pokepast.es/b5e5cd37eb4ad907 hello i just made this and i am new to team...

Unfortunately I see a lot of unviable mons here like inteleon and drifblim. Which does not do anything in the Natdex tier and not ranked at all. I highly suggest using samples instead. And checking our viability rankings for further understand what functions in the Natdex metagame.

stone stirrup Feb 1, 2025, 9:53 PM

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ok

celest merlinBOT Feb 1, 2025, 9:53 PM

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National Dex (Gen 9)

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

vague hemlock Feb 1, 2025, 9:53 PM

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Here you go

warm vapor Feb 2, 2025, 12:08 AM

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vague hemlock So yes lefties or boots I personally suggest lefties

Alrighty, thanks!

solid palm Feb 2, 2025, 11:31 AM

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vague hemlock How it goes

its a good team

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but with major flaws

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the second they get rid of the webs

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it falls apart

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if they have a strong set up sweeper

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left

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ur basicly guranteed a loss

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if they dont bring it out until the webs are off

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ur cooked

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and no u cant set up enough without taking too much chip damage

next forge Feb 2, 2025, 12:08 PM

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ye so dont let the setup sweeper setup

vague hemlock Feb 2, 2025, 12:17 PM

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solid palm the second they get rid of the webs

Yeah try your best to make sure that doesn’t happen which is why there are mons that act as deterants and apply offensive pressure

solid palm Feb 2, 2025, 12:18 PM

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vague hemlock Yeah try your best to make sure that doesn’t happen which is why there are mons ...

what do i do if i cant even get my webs on tho.

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some people knock off the berry

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and its on mons that dont even usually run it

vague hemlock Feb 2, 2025, 12:52 PM

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You don’t always lead Araq. Make sure you play close attention to what your opponent has on the field and ask yourself “do they have anything to deter my webs?” Take that into consideration and try to Lead a Mon that threatens the deterrent to your webs setter.

solid palm Feb 2, 2025, 12:54 PM

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vague hemlock You don’t always lead Araq. Make sure you play close attention to what your oppo...

alrightt

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i forget to do that sometimes cuz i play too many matches

vague hemlock Feb 2, 2025, 12:55 PM

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Nah you’re good it’s a work in progress

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Araq isn’t frail either so it will have other opportunities to enter the field

solid palm Feb 2, 2025, 12:56 PM

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vague hemlock Araq isn’t frail either so it will have other opportunities to enter the field

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help me.

vague hemlock Feb 2, 2025, 12:57 PM

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Why did you not lead great tusk

solid palm Feb 2, 2025, 12:57 PM

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vague hemlock Why did you not lead great tusk

cuz i could prob take out the diance

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with surf

vague hemlock Feb 2, 2025, 12:58 PM

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Yeah but you had a dnite there that could have a flying move which could deter webs

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You can also bluff speed booster tusk

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They don’t know you are attack booster hence why they didn’t lead Diancie

solid palm Feb 2, 2025, 12:59 PM

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vague hemlock They don’t know you are attack booster hence why they didn’t lead Diancie

they did tho

vague hemlock Feb 2, 2025, 12:59 PM

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But anymore advice #comp-general since that’s more in this territory

rigid torrent Feb 2, 2025, 1:09 PM

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rigid torrent https://pokepast.es/132fbc6925ff5fa9 this is a team i made for my friend hes kin...

https://pokepast.es/132fbc6925ff5fa9
this is a team i made for my friend hes kinda new
hes hardstuck 1500s but hes saying hes winning almost every battle until he runs into stall
is there anything i can do with the team to improve stall mu or is it just a skill issue

celest merlinBOT Feb 2, 2025, 1:09 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

stone stirrup Feb 2, 2025, 6:36 PM

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hey guys i made a new team https://pokepast.es/b90e5248465a5917 what do you think

solid palm Feb 3, 2025, 12:39 PM

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@vague hemlock yo i switched moon to atk proto instead

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since i switched tusk to spe

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was that a bad move?

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cuz ive been getting walled by mega lopunny cuz of it

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also cinderce is a pain

tall tendon Feb 3, 2025, 6:14 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c979101fbd992bdb

I like mega latios
Tried building around it
Probably failed

celest merlinBOT Feb 3, 2025, 6:14 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

next forge Feb 3, 2025, 6:17 PM

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tall tendon https://pokepast.es/c979101fbd992bdb I like mega latios Tried building around i...

https://pokepast.es/944051b21ab82cee

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basically what i said in compgen

tall tendon Feb 3, 2025, 6:18 PM

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I'll try that bur I'll also wait for a rater to reply

next forge Feb 3, 2025, 6:18 PM

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sad

vague hemlock Feb 3, 2025, 11:06 PM

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solid palm <@704325455297118309> yo i switched moon to atk proto instead

It’s honestly your preference tbh

dire ravine Feb 4, 2025, 1:59 AM

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First time I made a team w/o a mega in this tier

https://pokepast.es/b049e23b21a010b4

eager drum Feb 4, 2025, 2:26 AM

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dire ravine First time I made a team w/o a mega in this tier https://pokepast.es/b049e23b21...

It seems you've forgotten to EV your iron valiant

dire ravine Feb 4, 2025, 2:28 AM

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eager drum It seems you've forgotten to EV your iron valiant

Fawwwwk 😭😭😭

plush lintel Feb 4, 2025, 2:54 AM

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next forge https://pokepast.es/944051b21ab82cee

can we make this lorb ival

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no dgleam on the koko either

plush lintel Feb 4, 2025, 2:56 AM

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vague hemlock It’s honestly your preference tbh

his team genuinely seems horrible tbh

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why gambit on webs?

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no flying type

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maybe enamorus?

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loses to punny as they said

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something like scarf moon wins

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this just seems unviable idk

dire ravine Feb 4, 2025, 3:17 AM

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plush lintel no flying type

People have been doing that a lot lately for some reason 😭

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Been seeing a lot of ladder players just straight up not having a flying type

gentle summit Feb 5, 2025, 10:42 AM

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https://pokepast.es/04b08ab88b9f28c9 Opinions on theese guys

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i used the smogon analysis for all of them except falinks

next forge Feb 5, 2025, 10:54 AM

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Can we please use OU mons

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Pult carrying this team by its shoulders sad

dusky carbon Feb 5, 2025, 11:07 AM

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Dissing corv and mgallade?

next forge Feb 5, 2025, 12:55 PM

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Ofc

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Do nothing larper + potential man

gray meteor Feb 5, 2025, 3:40 PM

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can I ask if we got any sample team for ND OU Post Tera Ban, that is consider Meta yet

warm vapor Feb 6, 2025, 2:04 AM

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gray meteor can I ask if we got any sample team for ND OU Post Tera Ban, that is consider Me...

Sample teams have been updated with post tera ban teams

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Many have Kingambit, Terapagos, Pult, Zama, etc

gray meteor Feb 6, 2025, 5:54 AM

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warm vapor Sample teams have been updated with post tera ban teams

Do you happens to have a link. I’m a turbo boomer

warm vapor Feb 6, 2025, 5:55 AM

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/

Smogon Forums

Resource - National Dex Sample Teams

The goal of this resource is to showcase good teams that are easy to pick up and use on the ladder. This should aid players in familiarizing themselves with the current National Dex metagame.

We will try to actively look over the sample teams and make sure that they stay up-to-date in order to...

warm vapor Feb 6, 2025, 5:55 AM

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gray meteor Do you happens to have a link. I’m a turbo boomer

Here :D

gray meteor Feb 6, 2025, 5:56 AM

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warm vapor Here :D

Tyvm

gray meteor Feb 6, 2025, 5:57 AM

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warm vapor Sample teams have been updated with post tera ban teams

I only see pre Tera ban

warm vapor Feb 6, 2025, 6:05 AM

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Weird, it should have post tera ban

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It does for me

gentle summit Feb 6, 2025, 6:49 AM

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dusky carbon Dissing corv and mgallade?

so your saying everybody but pult corv and m'gallade is unviable

merry delta Feb 6, 2025, 1:11 PM

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gray meteor I only see pre Tera ban

Post Tera ban is right in the first post

opal sable Feb 6, 2025, 3:14 PM

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https://pokepast.es/b3f2264bdce3ff9e

celest merlinBOT Feb 6, 2025, 3:14 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

opal sable Feb 6, 2025, 3:14 PM

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Can someone give opinion?

gray meteor Feb 6, 2025, 3:32 PM

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merry delta Post Tera ban is right in the first post

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This?

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It’s odd bc when I click on them there I still Tera

next forge Feb 6, 2025, 3:35 PM

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gray meteor It’s odd bc when I click on them there I still Tera

It's not gonna disappear from the pokepaste page but u just can't use tera in battle

gray meteor Feb 6, 2025, 3:36 PM

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Oh ok

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Thanks Sami

tall tendon Feb 6, 2025, 11:49 PM

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https://pokepast.es/39b95d5d145d00c1

celest merlinBOT Feb 6, 2025, 11:49 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gentle summit Feb 7, 2025, 5:25 AM

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https://pokepast.es/60ce99306a35ef95 opinions on theese guys

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i updated it to have bob

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(and porygon z and shedinja)

carmine hamlet Feb 7, 2025, 6:31 AM

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ebutton ferro is really niche and only fits on offense that has a MASSIVE breaker to capitalise

dire ravine Feb 7, 2025, 1:13 PM

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gentle summit https://pokepast.es/60ce99306a35ef95 opinions on theese guys

Where’s the hazard Removal for Shedninja 😭

gentle summit Feb 7, 2025, 1:16 PM

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dire ravine Where’s the hazard Removal for Shedninja 😭

Wait Shedinja has hazard removal moves?

dire ravine Feb 7, 2025, 1:16 PM

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gentle summit Wait Shedinja has hazard removal moves?

Nah I mean like, Defog on Corv

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Without boots, Shedninja gets one shot by Rocks and Spikes

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😭

gentle summit Feb 7, 2025, 1:17 PM

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dire ravine Without boots, Shedninja gets one shot by Rocks and Spikes

But the focus sash allows Shedinja to survive one insta ko moves (which is litterally all moves unaffected by wonder guard)

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and for me to know what move can make shedinja instantly killed

merry delta Feb 7, 2025, 1:51 PM

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Any form of passive damage and the omnipresent hazards

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Also just… hitting it twice

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Mon sucks

dire ravine Feb 7, 2025, 4:33 PM

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merry delta Mon sucks

Yeah nah Shedninja just ain’t the move

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Way too gimmicky

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And too high risk

cobalt skiff Feb 8, 2025, 7:06 AM

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https://pokepast.es/3516426fbfdc3ae8

celest merlinBOT Feb 8, 2025, 7:06 AM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

cobalt skiff Feb 8, 2025, 7:06 AM

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Need help

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Supposed to be bulky with good offense

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Wish Mola to keep Mons healthy

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Just made it in 5 minutes so like, there's gonna be massive flaws

tall tendon Feb 8, 2025, 3:21 PM

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https://pokepast.es/027c7a972c6c1d89

celest merlinBOT Feb 8, 2025, 3:21 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tall tendon Feb 8, 2025, 3:21 PM

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Lop torn semistall

robust vine Feb 9, 2025, 1:50 AM

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Who i need to put for the last ? https://pokepast.es/b96214707277cd64

dark wyvern Feb 9, 2025, 4:55 AM

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https://pokepast.es/9bb436d9972000d2

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what do yall think?

abstract burrow Feb 9, 2025, 10:53 PM

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https://pokepast.es/372dcef31277c84b

celest merlinBOT Feb 9, 2025, 10:53 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

fair quarry Feb 10, 2025, 3:30 PM

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https://pokepast.es/762fc9ed2d8d0765

celest merlinBOT Feb 10, 2025, 3:30 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

next forge Feb 10, 2025, 3:32 PM

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!nolegends

celest merlinBOT Feb 10, 2025, 3:32 PM

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Please take a moment to review the rules of the competitive section: https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1030567099703242903

Do not ask for assistance with arbitrary rulesets or restrictions placed on teambuilding, we will not help with them in this server. The competitive section is only for formats hosted on the Smogon forums, such as VGC and OU.

Additionally, do not ask for assistance with fangames, Minecraft/Roblox mods, or other such titles. These games/mods do not have feature parity with actual Pokémon games or Smogon's National Dex formats, and are often played with arbitrary rulesets.

fair quarry Feb 10, 2025, 3:35 PM

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next forge !nolegends

Sorry

cobalt skiff Feb 10, 2025, 4:34 PM

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fair quarry https://pokepast.es/762fc9ed2d8d0765

nice team but whenever running she’ll smash polteageist def use stored power. I’d also recommend running a substitute behind it so that if your opponents don’t 1 shot or don’t target you can get more boost and more stored power

dire ravine Feb 11, 2025, 5:15 PM

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Any tweaks I can make to this?

https://pokepast.es/e56e0b9f7e2865f9

celest merlinBOT Feb 11, 2025, 5:15 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

slender mortar Feb 11, 2025, 8:50 PM

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https://pokepast.es/22611d7444fd8d38 any suggestions?

cyan coral Feb 11, 2025, 10:29 PM

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https://pokepast.es/a547225e3dbc2ceb

any feedback would be appreciated

eager drum Feb 11, 2025, 11:31 PM

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slender mortar https://pokepast.es/22611d7444fd8d38 any suggestions?

really small thing but you can give zapdos 4 extra EVs

cyan coral Feb 12, 2025, 3:48 PM

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https://pokepast.es/dd174b5b21cb33cf

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made another team that I had more success with

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I struggle against tyranitar and ferrothorn

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my heatran gets pursuit chipped by tyranitar its very annoying

cerulean jolt Feb 12, 2025, 7:03 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ff526d41751d0ceb

Have some trouble against fire if therian gets knocked but seems to be doing me well

cerulean jolt Feb 12, 2025, 7:50 PM

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thinking about replacing leftovers on annihilape with dark/psy resist berry

cerulean jolt Feb 12, 2025, 9:43 PM

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considering replacing bisharp altogether

merry delta Feb 12, 2025, 9:44 PM

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This isn’t the place for nd Ubers team rates, but even so none of these pokemon (besides landot somewhat) are viable there

cerulean jolt Feb 12, 2025, 9:45 PM

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apologies, still mostly confused for where things belong around here ;-;

sharp radish Feb 12, 2025, 10:36 PM

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https://pokepast.es/40deed46e17ad6c3

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What do i replace

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I think i should replace skeli and pult

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Or king and pult

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Idek

celest merlinBOT Feb 13, 2025, 10:24 PM

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New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vale ridge Feb 13, 2025, 10:24 PM

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https://pokepast.es/27caee4ada0a5441

vale ridge Feb 13, 2025, 10:56 PM

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The last 2 mons I am not too sure about having but the rest I got reasons for.

vague hemlock Feb 13, 2025, 11:25 PM

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Yeah not going to lie to you I do suggest samples reason being this team has no clear direction sets are weird. A few unviable mons in regieleki and kleavor. Even though you have a couple of ou viable mons av samurott is weird and settlium z hex is a bit weird here too on gholdengo. I suggest you build understanding of our metagame by using the resources I will link below

celest merlinBOT Feb 13, 2025, 11:25 PM

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National Dex (Gen 9)

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

vale ridge Feb 14, 2025, 12:19 AM

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vague hemlock Yeah not going to lie to you I do suggest samples reason being this team has no ...

How is it weird exactly though? I don't understand.

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Also I have been using sample teams.

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https://pokepast.es/78c05caf0d86ba0e
https://pokepast.es/238031dc828fc683

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The samples I have used.

vague hemlock Feb 14, 2025, 1:29 AM

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vale ridge How is it weird exactly though? I don't understand.

Lack of ghost resist,lack of water resistance you fold vs stuff like Dragapult, and ogerpon wellspring. Also weird mons like kleavor and Regieleki. This team looks slapped together without much thought on its goal and how the Mons function together.

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Any meta threat really

vale ridge Feb 14, 2025, 1:30 AM

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vague hemlock Lack of ghost resist,lack of water resistance you fold vs stuff like Dragapult, ...

Yeah after Sam Gren and Ghold I was not too sure what to do.

vague hemlock Feb 14, 2025, 1:30 AM

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Yeah

vale ridge Feb 14, 2025, 1:30 AM

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Sam for the hazard stacking and Ghold for hazard blocking.

#NatDex OU Rates