NatDex OU Rates

[hard creek]

freedom in my other slots + sinis r faster so gambit gotta be careful for matcha/sap

[feral canopy]

you have to be scared of knock and sucker even more lol

also knock kills after

[hard creek]

the scary thing from gambit is

[feral canopy]

minor chip

[hard creek]

SD if anything

[feral canopy]

without overlord

or glasses

Ftr

252+ Atk Kingambit Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Sinistcha: 270-318 (78 - 91.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[short abyss]

Who outspeeds cha or gambit?

[hard creek]

cha

[feral canopy]

and they can just as easily run defiant on pursuit sets

[hard creek]

this team was mostly a part of me testing my balance building abilities

and experimenting with certain mons

[feral canopy]

also dd pult runs u over

[hard creek]

yeah thats an issue idk if I can fit as like

if pagos + garg isnt enough

[short abyss]

Tera fighting Tera blast? Just a hypothetical

[hard creek]

than this mon is probs broken

[feral canopy]

garg gets subbed on

[hard creek]

tera is banned

[feral canopy]

its setup fodder

[feral canopy]

please do not try to help if you are unfamiliar with the meta

please

again you are not helping, and misinformation can be harmful to some

[hard creek]

but uh

teacup checks like

zama pon luna

[feral canopy]

idk if its worth it still im ngl

all of those are best friends with gambit

and im sure u can find other cplay

[hard creek]

it isnt but I see it as viable and has some merit but gambit idt should be a completely infallible obstacle

[feral canopy]

Well

losing to gambit is one thing

but getting completely stuffed is another

[hard creek]

gambit doesnt wanna directly come in is my thing

[feral canopy]

you cant pivot, you can get fucked with overlord or defiant boosts

it kinda can like

straight up glasses sets can ko with sucker with minor chip and some overlords

defiant sets completely stuff ssap too

meh if u want to keep it its fine then i suppose

altho i think u want a more proactive setter than glisc

[hard creek]

idk too many other spikes setters we have

[feral canopy]

my beloved good friend ferrothornus

[hard creek]

on a balance team with sini idk if thats

the best idea?

[feral canopy]

ok nvm i lied

Hm

im ngl

another reason i dont like cha kek

anti synergy with ferro

[hard creek]

:c

[feral canopy]

which u want to be ur best parter

do u rlly want to use it on balance?

[hard creek]

its where sini performs best so like

ye

[feral canopy]

i think ryuji made a team this ndpl where it was on a more offensive team

u can check that out and try to go that direction

[hard creek]

was that during tera meta

[feral canopy]

yeah

it was this pl

u can try and emulate a similiar structure tho

idr if it was ryuji but it was his team

[hard creek]

or maybe I can try and run a more proactive balance

tho idk how that wld work

[feral canopy]

yeah its a bit finnicky

i wld try and look at that team tho

[hard creek]

why do all of my ideas suck 😭

[feral canopy]

i think structures like that can be good for it

its fine

its a learning opportunity

[hard creek]

bc like

[feral canopy]

we have all made bad stuff on occasion

[hard creek]

idk why I see a vision w the matcha

[feral canopy]

maybe u do

and thats great

idk if this structure is the vision tho

[hard creek]

which is strange bc this is where u typically fit it 😭

[feral canopy]

well

[hard creek]

altho I actually do have another idea

for spikers

[feral canopy]

again ryuji put it on more offensive structures

so

idt theres any set way

its a niche mon anyways

[hard creek]

how about

lu/rott

[feral canopy]

maybe

i think the ryuji team used rott

[hard creek]

Skarm also handles darks well

and spike

s

tho its not a fairy answer

at all

@feral canopy I can try again later with another spiker

[feral canopy]

yeye for sure

do try again

[hard creek]

its still kinda hard building teams bc of threat saturation but

Its in reach

[feral canopy]

good luck

[dry rivet]

Ty

[merry delta]

Staka is bad without Tera replace it with melmetal

[next forge]

Either that or life orb ye

The moves are fine

altho ngl TR sucks anyways

[unkempt sinew]

https://pokepast.es/b51c00b67d5df892

[celest merlin]

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[unkempt sinew]

I'm currently having a hard choice between will-o-wisp, flamethrower and fire-blast on the last slot

[native spruce]

https://pokepast.es/ef7246df78c17cb6

eq over superpower

[shadow berry]

https://pokepast.es/d3f51b6355019696

Tada

Melmetal and dragapult should be banned they r to good

[merry delta]

Use eq somewhere (over like Tpunch / superpower) and use lo over band.

[plush lintel]

shouldnt ice punch be more sacrificable

since dib hits flying types whereas it doesnt hit water types as well

eq for steels and superpower for ferro shi

[merry delta]

Ice punch hits zapdos and Lando / Garchomp without sacrificing as much health due to contact effects

[pure sinew]

lando is on so many teams its worth to run ice punch for it alone

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/f4ec06f73dfa24dc

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stark wave]

How we feel about ny trick room team

[ember path]

Spore>stun spore

[stark wave]

I have a wierd thing about spore

I think it's spamming so I don't use it unless I'm serious and need to win

Bassically unless I have a bet going with a friend or someone trash talked me I used stun spore

[ember path]

Wrong chat, your team is doubles not singles

[novel narwhal]

TR isn't Viable. It's difficult making use of TR turns

It smart Player would trade or constantly waste TR turns making your mons vulnerable

[ebon hare]

TR is that playstyle that either sucks or utterly dominates depending on the matchup

(I get dominated by TR)

[novel narwhal]

No.

It's only viable in doubles

It's still Gimmicky. TR was never viable seriously as a strategy.

It works on Ubers with Caly ice because it's bulk and offense allowed it to be incredibly threatening. Including Bronzong in DPP

As a serious strat.
No. A smart player can easily dispatch a full in TR team.

It only really works with Caly

I have a feeling you kinda missed my point-

[dusky carbon]

It’s usable

[plush lintel]

😭

[ebon hare]

LOL

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/235779aa2f9a71e9

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/ca3465d63fdfdec6

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/0bd1ad0e283b89a4 how do I make this not ugly :c

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lament jetty]

Be aware of Tapu lele

Oh and Zardy

I see exactly zero defensive counterplay you have for zardy and its partners

[hard creek]

we solve this how?

[lament jetty]

Actually I do see one, maybe dirge can handle it

I think…

[ebon hare]

then the zard y pulls out scorching sands and skele is done

[lament jetty]

Maybe

Scorching sands is only 70 base power anyways

[shadow berry]

https://pokepast.es/360c9418d4addb2f

[celest merlin]

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[shadow berry]

Yo anyone like my team

Plz tell me if there is something wrong with it

[limber crypt]

ik ngl this is pretty close to unviabl, bewear and shed are unviable and all of the sets are bad, and theres even anti synergy between ttars sand and sher, i would recommend looking at one of the teams from the bazaar

[dusky carbon]

Mtar and shed kek

[plush lintel]

bro u dont get the play behind mtar and shed

!!

its basically giving the person 1 free turn by saccing shed!!

[shadow berry]

K tbh I was just trying to make bewear viable and totally forgot about sand killing shed so I will probably get rid of it but the tar can stay

Also it is viable, I won multiple games with it

[whole gull]

https://pokepast.es/499856fa96c83a1c

[celest merlin]

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[ebon hare]

Don’t use av glowking it’s horrible

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/0c02095722614a38

[celest merlin]

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[merry delta]

Think Peli could be fog over Tornt, and then you could use some specs thing on Tornt. Otherwise, you could try booster 4a bolt here

Actually hm

Try some various stuff on Tornt

Try like utility, np 3a, specs, whatever works

I would heavily consider the bolt suggestion tho

[hard creek]

oki

that went well ig ;-;

[whole gull]

Why?

[flat tartan]

https://pokepast.es/da27d305527e2e39 - Mega Aerodactyl with specs trick gking

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/04e1ee2878c236c4

[spiral pond]

You could prolly have rocks on tusk and run a sd gambit

Id also run boots on alo

Regen heals enough

https://pokepast.es/13cc31376ea9746c

[celest merlin]

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[merry delta]

Is this not a Tera meta team

[spiral pond]

No but im too lazy to update

So im jus gonna put it here

Even then it seems half decent

[merry delta]

Lots of sets / mons here are outdated

[spiral pond]

I used this vs you once

[merry delta]

Ye ik

[spiral pond]

Did dirge fall off?

[merry delta]

But now in this meta I don’t think Corv / dirge are very good at all, and that the team is too slow. I’ll come up with some fixes tmrw

[spiral pond]

Ty

[spiral pond]

I don't fw this but i cant explain why so instead, here are some micro recommendations for you

Molt hurricane > sky drop (missing is fake, youd rather not get helmet'd or intim dropped)

Molt willo > tox (tox is fine but willo better for walling with burn's -atk)

Ferro power whip > gyro/bp (whip is better stab than gyro even with its acc problems, you could run seed bomb if ypure scared)

Gking sludge bomb > psychic (pairs better with flamethrower bc flamethrower hits steel alr)

lando scarf > defensive (outside of aero, youre slow af. I chose scarf lando bc i fw it, dw u can fit defog)

Aero eq > ice fang (steels)

[flat tartan]

Hahahaha sky drop is lowkey js a meme move for me. I js love that move and I know it sucks so makes sense

[flat tartan]

the plan was the toxic sky drop stall. When theyre taken up into the sky, they lost 1 extra turn of toxic damage which can really add up. that was the plan

[flat tartan]

Okay makes sense

[flat tartan]

Makes sense

[flat tartan]

Ice fang is only there for gliscor. I feel like we dont have any way to break gliscor without it

Thanks alot

[spiral pond]

That sounds cool

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/da4b460fa36318b8 cook or cooked

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plush lintel]

im leaning towards i get cooked

id like to keep first 3 mons if possible

[flat tartan]

I think you should change the gambit set. AV isnt the best, Its kind of situational and you already have a gking to tank any special attacks.

[silk ore]

i burnt the kitchen

help

pls

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/16ae39ac1c6a5421

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lyric kindle]

https://pokepast.es/23fc905956fe1da7

[vague hemlock]

Yeah i would say shed is not worth every hard to function in a meta riddled with dark types more often than not you are playing 5/6

[vague hemlock]

Think you should decide what direction you wanna take rilla,tusk, raging bolt is a fine core (set needs fixing). The other three feels a bit random honestly speaking.

Moltres, ogerpon wellspring/corner stone, with some speed control as last (like dragapult)

Over bliss,alo, and mega maw

[spiral pond]

This team is slow af but idk what to change. The idea was chilly reception into kyurem for snow, but besides that change anything: https://pokepast.es/9096f117ea158043

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

think the ideal play here is drag z hexpult > rboot, there might be some other set of changes but i think thats prob the bedt way to integrate speed control

also sd > uturn on sciz

[spiral pond]

Ty

[spiral pond]

Draco wisp hex uturn right?

[lyric kindle]

Do you mind explaining why those mons are bad for my team?

[vague hemlock]

Sure thing

Bliss for one is a stall exclusive and saps a lot of momentum for your team

Teleport is also not good on it

Alomomola is very passive on this team it’s usually relagated to balances. Mawile is very slow and there isn’t really anything different that it does here opposed to ogerpon + it’s very slow you won’t get much opportunities to bring it in it usually benefits from teams that spread paralysis

[limber crypt]

ye

[lyric kindle]

I appreciate the break down for me man. You a real one

[vague hemlock]

Absolutely

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/48a46120b8b9a655

[silk ore]

https://pokepast.es/323db8c7347f2db7

hi

can u help

i want a defensive pivot but idk

[ebon hare]

Replace hatt with glowking

It should be good as a bulky pivot

[silk ore]

I see a major ground and water weakness how should I patch that

[ebon hare]

U have lando for ground types

If u want a water resist u can fit ferro in ur team

[pure sinew]

do you really want pursuit on sd gambit

[next forge]

black belt boosts fighting moves

[limber crypt]

tang > kart, av torn > hatt, tox > defog on lando

[rigid torrent]

https://pokepast.es/2a958e73a1eb7ff2

I need some help with this team

It's gen 8 national dex

It's a good team so far I've won most games

But had trouble with

Sd garchomp

Outrage dragon Z specifically

Since it ohkos alolamola

Nothing else can really do much

[lament jetty]

What is muk doin here bruva

[rigid torrent]

Muk is fun

And it's pretty good

[silk ore]

alr thank you

what about hazard clearance?

[limber crypt]

Offensive teams like this dont rly mind hazards as much, you just have to make sure ur not giving the opponent the opportunity to lay hazards (particularly spikes)

[silk ore]

ah

movesets for tang tox and torn?

u do mean torn t right?

[viscid sable]

was just messing around lmk if this is a good team

[spiral pond]

How do I say this

Team feels incoherent

Mons don't mesh

Also

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[celest merlin]

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[spiral pond]

Use this to @ the actual raters

[abstract burrow]

https://pokepast.es/6956f7b724ed9998

[celest merlin]

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[vague hemlock]

No clear direction with this team sable is a stall exclusive. Weavile and lele are more on offense based teams weavile shard is ruined since lele blocks priority same with pre mega sable eye. I think you should use some teams in the national dex bazaar there are some really good teams there

[high current]

https://pokepast.es/1d625bb0fb0016b9

Friend challenged me to build around absol. If I were to make this a "serious" team is absol fine or is there a better replacement? Also how about the rest of the team?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[high current]

also should I run like, stomping tantrum Lando bc terrain

or replace bulu or smth else

Or is it fine

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/d6a5e8cd003c6093

[knotty flare]

https://pokepast.es/0d7a6c90303bc425

[abstract burrow]

https://pokepast.es/de63813afefb256f

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

not a huge fan of defog sr lando here, you can either do no fogger with tox > fog on lando or drop someone (id say dengo, steel and speed control are kinda covered by the rest of the team) for someone like tornt

[limber crypt]

beedrill is unviable and this lacks a waterpon answer, since you have scarf hamurott as speed control, i think your best bet is raging bolt > beedrill and maybe mlop > luna

[limber crypt]

kinda struggling to see what amoong and drei are doing here and that clef set is just a bit passive, i would do soft boiled > wish on clef, replace drei and amoong into raging bolt and some kind of speed control,(i think wisphex pult or zama works here)

[abstract burrow]

https://pokepast.es/7f95118920fd4320 sum like this?

[limber crypt]

cant remember the specific set but mixval should have diff moves (think its moon cc knock encore) and tran should be taunt

dragonium pult is also an option

[next forge]

moonblast cc knock off encore with max spatk and lorb

is the typical val spread

[ebon hare]

https://pokepast.es/d52510885551780e

[vague hemlock]

I get the concept although it’s clever there are alot of issues.

The elephant in the room, not having a Ghost resist means that pult feasts on this team. You are heavily punished by pursuit darks running both lele and slowbro. Ogerpon also crushes this since you have no real water resistance Ogerpon as your sole water resistance is not great at all. Additionally ival feasts on this as well. You are better off going rilla+ zone or kyu+ zone honestly speaking. Even with zone support this Mon is pretty bad being stealth rock weak and vulnerable to priority.

[inner thunder]

https://pokepast.es/b0144d59f2fc29b0
my most used team on natdex (i am stuck in low ladder)

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[abstract burrow]

got it https://pokepast.es/31ad6f7368b5a080

[limber crypt]

pult can stay wisphex, you can just choose to run dragonium z instead of boots. But yes thats all for this team

[limber crypt]

the idea of tjis team confuses me bc the sets are a bit all ober the place and the team lacks speed and the steels here are not rly concerned whn it shreds this team, what did you build around in particular?

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/ec982cdfab05edf6
Edit (this was 4 hrs later): https://pokepast.es/fb6fa221d8c5505a

Tryna build Empo rn cuz i believe in it

But ended up with a tran problem

Ghostium is bc sealoo dont blame me for that

[solar valley]

https://pokepast.es/102973448aaae731
Psychic terrain team
https://pokepast.es/564681e8d6e463d3
Same team but alakazam -> moltres

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pure sinew]

isnt this kommo completely walled by gholdengo and aegislash

[limber crypt]

Think the best option for this is scorch defog moltres > rilla, since that gives u the tran check you want, also i prwfer dragonium pult but sealoos word is kinda law so im not beating that

this is for the second team btw idt a moth team wants just moltres as a tran check

[limber crypt]

also for the sevond team, make the lele av, ik this is psyspwm but idt beeheeyem is rly gonna cut it (or any psy mon for that matter) so id just do grusk over it, and bc thats too many fighting types id do a steel (think np dengo works here) over ival

[abstract burrow]

https://pokepast.es/7c45441bab6f970e

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[radiant yacht]

https://pokepast.es/94776fab1b99821b
this team feels particularly weak to both sun and rain, idk where to slot something to deal with those playstyles

Probably just a water or a dragon or something of that sort would be fine

Maybe a dnite?

But i don’t know what to replace

[limber crypt]

dont know about the sun mu but for rain u can prob do wellspring > glowking, bolt > zap is an option (while keeping glowking) but it leaves u fogless and tclap is kinda limited since u have terrain

av lele is an option that can at least pivot around yard but idt itvworks here

[vague hemlock]

I honestly feel like

Ferro can be the steel

But that’s just me

Av lele nice suggestion agree w that 100 percent

[radiant yacht]

I do worry about lele just getting pursuit trapped if AV

[limber crypt]

should prob choose either webs or screens since both is kinda hard to get setup for, if ur doing webs lando > grimm, araq or bee > shuckle, serp > ceru, and bu tusk, if screens id prob do lando > shuckle, koko > grimm, sd ival > ceru, and dnite > tusk

[vague hemlock]

That lando needs more speed asw potatoo

132 At least to outrun bolt

[limber crypt]

this isnt a bad idea actually

[radiant yacht]

noted

[radiant yacht]

over what?

[vague hemlock]

Gambit

[limber crypt]

gambit

[vague hemlock]

Then lele can be av

Just run fb

So it doesn’t come in safely

They never really go hard gambit into non choice locked lele

[radiant yacht]

what moves for av lele?

and what sort of ferrothorn set

[vague hemlock]

S&L knows the four

[limber crypt]

stabs fblast hp fire/fsight

hp fire is beter here

[radiant yacht]

is hitting msciz that crucial?

and should I change around the ev spread

[limber crypt]

no u have zapdos, but since lele has bulk investmnt its nice to weaken it or outright nuke it

instead of going zap

[radiant yacht]

yeah it just feels like everything on this team beats msciz

[limber crypt]

idk thr spread tho lol

[radiant yacht]

ironpress zama, intim lando, zapdos, ferrothorn would beat non sd cc msciz too

[abstract burrow]

I usually don’t setup them all up I normally do screens and taunt early to prevent hazards or predict and then either stealth rock and sticky I just late in the match for the speed advantage

[radiant yacht]

what sort of set should ferro be

[abstract burrow]

But I’ll try it out

[limber crypt]

i dont rly think that approach works for singles, better to stick with one or the other

bc otherwise ur basically playing 5v6

[limber crypt]

spikes leech whip knock spdef

[radiant yacht]

ok

should i just be max max or is there a physdef threshold to hit

and also the Z slot is cleared up should I have one on the team?

that would probably be useful

nvm found a spdef set

[radiant yacht]

https://pokepast.es/7d42d7579c73beaf

heres the thing so far

[limber crypt]

ye i like this, if ur gonna use a z mon i would replace glowking with it but i think this is fine

might actually want 4a zama that fits a bit better here

[radiant yacht]

alright

[radiant yacht]

actually what about dark z on zama?

would help it beat things like ghold and opposing gking really easily

which my team otherwise kinda struggles with

and dragapult

this team looks very weak to dragapult

[limber crypt]

not a bad idea actually, tho a big thing with hdb zama is not worrying abt spikes

its prob fine, thinking beating pult immediately is better than losing to spikes a bit quicker

and u trade with ur own anyway

[spiral pond]

Scorch defog flamethrower uturn?

[ember perch]

idk https://pokepast.es/ed8a332148ddc10c

[fierce spindle]

https://pokepast.es/a924a8184159197a

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral pond]

Lucha looks problematic (Supereffective on 5/6 mons)

[spiral pond]

Are u running knock or sr on lando? (Run neither, since it's scarf)

[unkempt sinew]

https://pokepast.es/26cfc1711f6c5941

[limber crypt]

roost > uturn

[limber crypt]

just make the ferro spdef with bpress or twave > gyro

[spiral pond]

Wouldn't the GTerrain MU be Balls

[limber crypt]

u can keep mgarde however most of the time you get more success from lele, which if you decide to run that it can be cm as well, other than that id dtop scarf lando for different speed control, id say pult or scarf dengo works here

[limber crypt]

i mean i would be concerned about kartana before grassy terrain but most people use wellspring (or just rilla) both of which you pretty handedly answer

I alwo havent seen an sd kart most are scarf and this team can povot around that

[spiral pond]

SD Lucha kills 5/6

If sub idt lando can touch it

Might be tunnel vision tho

[abstract burrow]

https://pokepast.es/6cfca0b964e81031

[solar valley]

beheeyem can kinda tank special moves and some physical moves like dragapult phantom force, ghold shadow ball, oger-w knock off etc etc and because of analytic, it deals big dmg, one shotting specially bulky mons like toxapex

[spiral pond]

Show calcs, I do not trust that

[next forge]

252 Atk Dragapult Phantom Force vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Beheeyem: 354-416 (100 - 117.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

buzzer noise

252 SpA Gholdengo Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Beheeyem: 278-330 (78.5 - 93.2%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

team has no hazard removal btw

[solar valley]

wait the calcs were wrong it had 0 atk on timid nature lol sorry

but can molt+defog work
https://pokepast.es/3962b8b7fbed09c9

[next forge]

ngl the whole team needs an overhaul (cuz psyspam is hard to work with) but if u are gonna try and salvage it u kinda need great tusk to compress hazard removal + ground type + fighting type

[solar valley]

who should I replace with

[next forge]

moltres and shifu

[limber crypt]

no this is true, ig an option is ghold over gambit or ferro

[limber crypt]

ye this looks fine, id do knock > kowtow on gambit (low kidk > iron head is also an option but not necessary)

[ember perch]

[rocky nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/b2d0e4fdf8e1995f

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rocky nacelle]

i tried

n honestly the teams pretty fun

but its prolly very shit

[pure sinew]

is there any benefit to that charizard being mega y

over x

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/378f44ef92c850b3 @merry delta @vague hemlock @limber crypt @hardy flint @lean trench

[plush lintel]

attacking yard rahh

with defog too

[plush lintel]

ill be stealing this after rating tysm

[obtuse chasm]

https://pokepast.es/0754ae56cb6fb74a

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/7c745a1fff60c942 (this was 5 hrs before)

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/13cc31376ea9746c (this was 5 hrs later)

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral pond]

In need of updating

[unkempt dirge]

Hey guys! Thoughts on this team for Gen 8 NatDex OU?

https://pokepast.es/8e59f22729989d89

I think it covers stuff nicely (there are tons of toxapexes and ferrothorns and that kinda stuff)

[plush lintel]

why

just why would u put tera

2. these sets are so bad 😭

3. these mons arent good

id recommend a sample, or rebuilding with good mons

[unkempt dirge]

Ignore tera. It's meant for gen 8 so obviously the teras are meant to be disregarded

[unkempt dirge]

most of the sets are like pretty basic sets so how can they be bad

volcarona's set is the most basic set, chomp's set same thing, beedrill's set same thing, mudsdale set same thing

the only 'different' set is zapdos' that's working as a defensive support to clear hazards

[dry rivet]

Yeah a lot of these sets are.. weird and 2.5 unviable mons

[unkempt dirge]

which are weird

[dry rivet]

Mainly chomp bc iirc u don't do that much outside of certain rain stuffies but most rains don't run chomp anyway but the bigger issue is the 2.5 unviable pokemon

[hoary barn]

https://pokepast.es/11a3de1708a24aba

fairy psychic dual types a bit annoying to wall for this team

but i prefer having the ground immunity in tornadus and kingambit resist in tapu koko so idk

[next forge]

Dude ur better off going full stall instead of having a random tornt and koko

[hoary barn]

when slow flip turn or chilly reception is on the table

a fast attacker is great for stall

to break through set up mons

or other threats

[next forge]

U could just add a corviknight and u can handle the psychic fairies now

[hoary barn]

🤔

hmm

that is true

i could throw our tornadus

[next forge]

Ye u say breakers but last time I checked scarf tornt isn't breaking anything

[hoary barn]

mm

well ig not

in terms of pure damage output

but the high speed on top of regenerator gets it a lot of value

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2260566329

this the game i just played

[next forge]

Ur opp choked hard with dnite

All they needed was 1 boost to win

Corv + clod walled lucha + treads + koko anyways

[hoary barn]

yea lmao

ig rip tornadus

hes staying on UU stall

what set with corv

roost defog

taunt brave bird?

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/7c745a1fff60c942 I want this team to be Yard Balanced that can throw out Heatran Solars, but this team feels too much like Yard Sun.

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral pond]

Lefties > Draconium
WBall > CM

[rocky nacelle]

nah ion even know why i picked it

[spiral pond]

Sun, better coverage, higher damage, spike immune maybe but not rlly

Faster (momentum, not speed stat) bc it gets up and running faster

[rocky nacelle]

aight

[spiral pond]

Why is it physical tho

That's cursed

[rocky nacelle]

😭 i was playin wit my friend n i just slapped on the first charizard build i saw online

[spiral pond]

Nah, from where? Game8?

[rocky nacelle]

mane ion know 😭 i aint a good team builder i just thought this one was fun

[spiral pond]

Run special fire type move fire blast wball or flamethrower, scorch or focus blast, roost and you won't believe this

Solar beam

[rocky nacelle]

what else should i change

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/b2d0e4fdf8e1995f

For convenience ima send it again

[rocky nacelle]

ight

ty for ts

[spiral pond]

Imo alolan marowak > mimikyu

(Pls note that trick room is not considered good in 1v1 formats)

[rocky nacelle]

they all hating

trick room goated

[spiral pond]

Whims is not a good mon on tr

I'd go...

Hands or tea pot

[rocky nacelle]

what the fuck are abusers 😭

[spiral pond]

Melm is not here bc not updated

[spiral pond]

Luna is goated tf u mean

[rocky nacelle]

honestly i have no idea what im doing in team building

just pick what you think is the most fun while not being too ass

[hoary barn]

is there a world i replace a move with a wild charge to smack special walls for physical gigavolt havoc

[wintry vale]

https://pokepast.es/cf4388ccac6d2080

any tips how to improve? feel like cinderace kinda out of place eh

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/01ef1d43802130dc
been having some mixed results with this
when the bait works this team is kinda crazy but more often than not I'm finding myself in endgame situations I'm not really skilled enough to play out of? Especially against teams that don't have the mons I'm baiting

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow basalt]

not even sure if it's a team issue or it's just my lack of ability to play with a team like it

[vague hemlock]

Not play I would think cause this gets steam rolled by stuff like gambit

Mew is not very good either

I feel Koko > Weavile is the move here better speed control and it pairs very well with mega medi since it forces stuff in like Ferrothorn which it feasts on

[hollow basalt]

mew was admittedly the point of the team
it was just a randpoke and I actually really liked the idea

[vague hemlock]

Get rid off scarf on lando and make it rocks

132 speed evs for bolt

[vague hemlock]

I see

[hollow basalt]

Lemme see though, one sec

[vague hemlock]

New can be like kingambit

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/b18e724ac2d7bdd2
wouldn't be swapping mew out but
at least reasonably I want this team to be as usable as possible

[hoary barn]

https://pokepast.es/0f4d1aac3722068f

So i'm not sure how to balance the EV spread of corv since I need it to be my kingambit answer but I also need it to be my tapu lele answer when she has t-bolt

[hollow basalt]

lele doesn't run thunderbolt

[hoary barn]

I'm also find it a bit hard to deal with dragapult (unknown set and possibility of random z-move) and mega latios

[hoary barn]

i thought so too

but last 3 leles in a row ive faced have had t bolt

[hollow basalt]

off sets or low ladder jank

[hoary barn]

na

last one i faced was top 500

very usable option specifically to beat corv and it works

[hoary barn]

Let me rephrase how can I wall or survive t-bolt lele and mystical fire mega latios without giving up my only good check to swords dance kingambit (corv)

[plush lintel]

hi deogoatba

u doin this for nd or something else

can help if nd

[lament jetty]

Corv when jolly kingambiy

Just saying you are gonna want some fighting type to beat gambit

Like tusk or val or whatever

[hoary barn]

eh manageable just sacrafice koko or fire off a gigavolt havoc free switch into max hp corv and profit

or other way round sac corv and gigavolt havoc

my bigger problem is still mega lat and t bolt lele

[wintry vale]

ayy wsg goat

its mostly for pbf but tried it out in natdex and it did decent heh

[plush lintel]

o ic

nd is easy

[blissful citrus]

https://pokepast.es/b5baff2056a9d1d2 Heres my team i have been laddering for reqs with, zap isnt that good on it but i put it there for the rain matchup

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/468983accb1af80a

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral pond]

For sus

[spiral pond]

Woger for rain?

[next forge]

if ur using psyspam u need wogerpon or another rain answer

id get rid of zama ngl idek what he does over lucha here

surely u dont need both ttar and gambit asw

id get rid of gambit and go smth else like a pivot or smth

[spiral pond]

Oh ok

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/b3b4655926da41ca

Like this?

[next forge]

ye this works

[spiral pond]

Say less

[next forge]

less

[plush lintel]

not mine but seemed cool https://pokepast.es/378f44ef92c850b3

[summer beacon]

much better sand team than last time

https://pokepast.es/b8e204b0962bcfb8

[heavy quest]

https://pokepast.es/e33d359439836155

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow radish]

https://pokepast.es/0db65f3b20b2ac8b

Felt like experimenting with DDance MTar post-Tera ban

Not sure how good it really is but the prospect of Knock Off gave me the idea

Willing to scrap if it's completely unviable but idt that's the case? Other than that any changes are fine

[spiral pond]

No one's been rating, let me lock in

[spiral pond]

This DNite is anti synergy w/ Psyterrain (Espeed), It's prolly your rain answer but run smth else.
Run coverage Z on DeoS, EForce is enough
I'd run Terrain Extender Lele
What does Tusk do here? (Run Lucha)
gl on reqs ( I assume this is for reqs)

[spiral pond]

You don't have to run both setters (Run MTar)
MChomp is bad (speed loss mostly, but also Chomp likes its item)
Exca is not reliable removal
Looks cool tho gl

[spiral pond]

Don't run Fog and Rock on the same mon (Koko and MSciz both get fog)
What does sand tomb (msciz) hit?
Anyways, peak team

[spiral pond]

WILD CHARGE?!?
You're leaning very physical, I'd go CM Val
I don't fw lead lando (propaganda)
glimm >>>>>>>>>>

[hollow radish]

Cm val was something I didn't think of

And well lead is lead but fair ig LOL

[spiral pond]

But you somehow thought of wild charge

[hollow radish]

Ive ran that for a million years

Lol

[spiral pond]

Y

[plush lintel]

oki

[plush lintel]

@hard creek

[hard creek]

waiting for an official person to rate it

[spiral pond]

I sometimes wonder if they exist

[plush lintel]

bet bet

[plush lintel]

what reqs btw

[spiral pond]

Oh, you aren't for Deoxys reqs?

[plush lintel]

no, i barely know about it.

whats up?

i made this btw : https://pokepast.es/ea56d79fd7be9f07
it can 100% be optimized further

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plush lintel]

lmk thoughts on it

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/c81efa8b8b3b2fb0
Rain wasn't working so hello my friends

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral pond]

As I join you all in psyspamming

[lean mulch]

https://pokepast.es/497f87abe310f76c
At first this was hazards and then dragonite sweep but ive been modifiying it til it ended like this. Its doing decent but i think it lacks a wincon other than nite

[heavy shadow]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

i dont think this struggles with anything in particular, but i think it lacks speed so id recommend smth like pult or scarf hamu over mola, and if u go pult then u can prob do sr glisc + spikes ferro, a third alternative is running defensive sr tusk > glisc and pult > mola with spikes ferro again

[heavy shadow]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[rigid torrent]

https://pokepast.es/b63a47a8ef209204

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rigid torrent]

My friend sent me this asking for help with it but I don't do much gen 9

I just told them the sets look ass

[viscid sable]

this sun team, not sure if i should replace moltres with raging bolt or not

i also think umbrella urshifu on a sun team could be interesting

[rigid torrent]

Mega latias kinda shreds

[viscid sable]

fair point, any suggestions?

[rigid torrent]

Uh

I think I'd get rid of shifu moltres and I suppose char Y

[viscid sable]

why would i get rid of the best sun setter for a sun team

😭

[rigid torrent]

U keeping torkoal

[viscid sable]

a single sun setter isnt enough for a full team

[rigid torrent]

I think volcarona just does a better job since it can run boots

[rigid torrent]

Ever seen a rain team use pelliper and politoed

[merry delta]

Full sun doesn’t use yard

[viscid sable]

does it really not?

[rigid torrent]

Nop

[merry delta]

Better to just use Torkoal or ninetales as the sole sun setter

For full sun

For semi sun you use yard

[rigid torrent]

Personally I think u should use firium Z blaziken I've been using it on a sun team in gen 8 natdex and it has some really funny calcs at +2

[viscid sable]

what mega should i run for full sun if not char y

[rigid torrent]

You don't really need one tbh

[merry delta]

U don’t need one ye

[viscid sable]

but what if i wanted one anyways

[rigid torrent]

Which would u be looking to use

[viscid sable]

lets say i replace moltres with volcarona and i get rid of charizard

whats an ideal mega for my team

camerupt is feeling tempting because of the weakened water types and boosted lava plume

[rigid torrent]

Camerupt is too slow

Even char would be better

I'll send the sun I used for gen 8

https://pokepast.es/5e39e556cc95730e

@viscid sable

@merry delta could u help this guy I can't do much 😭

[viscid sable]

i could run mega houndoom

would help deal with mega latios too

flash fire on base is always nice too

[rigid torrent]

Can do but I'd just wait for an acctual rater

They'll appear soon

[limber crypt]

im wondering what this is built around bc it looks like two twrrain offenses that were just slammed together, i think it would be better to just have the two terrain setters then one of kart/cron but i’ll let you decide which you want to keep

[rigid torrent]

I'm stupid

[viscid sable]

could you tell me how i could improve on my sun team?

[rigid torrent]

I thibk I'll just tell him to use samples I feel like even with the changes you say the team will still be mid at best

[limber crypt]

im not themost experienced with full sun, but it does seems fin, sun struggles with mlatias regardless unless it runs kingambit but that opens other holes

and i dont think mlatias is common enough to warrant directly answering it

[viscid sable]

does that mean mega houndoom is actually a great pick for breaking past it?

[limber crypt]

i would argue its not

[viscid sable]

how come

the solar power boost on stab dark pulse surely kills right?

[rigid torrent]

Can't switch in to aura sphear

And

[limber crypt]

since doom is constantly taking solar power damage, has no recovery and is rocks weak an mlati will usually have someone that can wear it down before it gets to latias

[rigid torrent]

^

[viscid sable]

sure but if im in a situation where i know a latias is about to use aura sphere i can swap to venusaur, then swap into houndoom for psychic immunity

[rigid torrent]

Gambit is banned from natdex no?

[limber crypt]

it was unbanned

[rigid torrent]

All abt predictions not really a solid answer

[viscid sable]

i feel like my team has enough answers to hazard to prevent that issue tho

[rigid torrent]

And then ur also wasting turns of sun

[limber crypt]

this is true, but sun has a tendency to be aggressive and taking the time to remove hazards is counterintuitive to that, even if ur spin

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/b51850b1db227bbf

lmk chat

i was told to use wogre but i liked this better to play with tbh

[viscid sable]

i feel like my bigger issue is dealing with flying types

4 weaknesses to it

whats a good sun mon for dealing with flying types

raging bolt?

[rigid torrent]

Depends what flying types

Lol

[viscid sable]

well lando t is a non issue because of tusk

and urshifu

so just flying types

corviknight, moltres, skarmory,

that such

well

mostly moltres

[limber crypt]

i like this, encore is an alternstive to sub on lucha but thats rly the only thing id di different

[limber crypt]

can prob do rbolt over shifu or houndoom then

[viscid sable]

i used a fun power herb sky attack hawlucha

close combat, sky attack, acrobatics, i forget what i had as the last move but thats the jist of the set

taunt was the last move

[plush lintel]

okay, thanks a lot

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/54e8f4d016e18124

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plush lintel]

i really like the idea of cofa here, but in a generation filled with ghost types, maybe not the best?

[spiral pond]

Just tryna beat MLop and MMedi

[plush lintel]

i get that but surely theres better ways

[vague hemlock]

Ferro > cofa
Make torn boots not really a need for av here you get worn down really quickly taking rocks AND sand chip. Ival can be scarf lele that helps with your priority issue.

[spiral pond]

Sad (I wanted to build Coffin)

[next radish]

https://pokepast.es/1f5931b99e3d9299 Do you have any advice for this team?

[lament jetty]

fling light ball night shade gholdengo

never cook every again

ever*

[next radish]

🤣 👍

Let me cook

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/efab6816e9a6477c

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vague hemlock]

Make clef utility with stealth rock and knock

Make skarm spikes

Gliscor can earthquake, toxic, defog, roost variant

Pex can run toxic spikes > toxic

[empty olive]

ok but how do I beat smth like fast taunt cm fini

[vague hemlock]

Skarm should always run spikes as that’s how you get the most out of it you run skarm for spikes always. Defog glisc gives you an opportunity to to remove opposing hazards if needed ideally you won’t click it much but it gives you an out vs opposing spike stack.

[vague hemlock]

Cm fini isn’t really real esp this gen

Fini in general is more rare

[empty olive]

so I just accept that I lose to it?

[vague hemlock]

no? Tspikes beat it?

[empty olive]

ok but what if they aren't up by the time it's in

[vague hemlock]

Plus you have mons that knock it

[empty olive]

even w the changes u lose to whatever cm taunt surf dkiss set

[vague hemlock]

(Fini can’t taunt ghold)

Fini is the least of your worries btw

[empty olive]

it's a 6-0 matchup I don't see it

against ghold it just cms once and hits ghold twice

I pmuch have 0 reliable counterplay

[vague hemlock]

You have outs vs it and can chip it down via hazards and knock. Idk why a c- rank Mon giving you alot of worries. If you are so scared of it you can run pjab pex but it’s really impractical.

[bronze oracle]

VinCune + SubRoost Kyurem Pressure "Fat"
https://pokepast.es/c50a79a119eeb290

I like this composition a lot and it's working relatively well but I'm struggling versus a few Pokemon like Tapu Lele, Raging Bolt, Substitute Volcarona, and against Moltres teams where Toxapex is the dedicated check for 2+ of their Pokemon. I've tried to switch things around but I always revert back to this version. Idealy, I want to keep Suicune and Kyurem, I also like Mega Scizor too but the former two are my priority.

[forest osprey]

New to NatDex, but this teams been fun.

https://pokepast.es/a02bc2844c65d860

All feedback welcome, I guess it’s an offense team.

[vague hemlock]

Thunder wave Slowking galar > pex this gives you another way to answer raging bolt and pivot into tapu lele to potentially trap it also checks special variants of iron valiant. Gives you an another slow pivot as well through chilly reception. Thunder wave supports suicune in its sub attempts

Slowking-Galar @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
Sassy Nature

• Future Sight
• Sludge Bomb
• Chilly Reception
• Thunder Wave

I do not like rocks gambit here at all really so now that you have a solid pivot into fairies I feel sciz isn’t as necessary here you could run another steel that sets hazards such as Ferrothorn you can put rocks on it.

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 248 HP / 56 Def / 204 SpD
Impish Nature

• Knock Off
• Power Whip
• Stealth Rock
• Leech Seed

You could go thunder wave over knock here since gambit will have knock.

Run this gambit set

Kingambit @ Leftovers
Ability: Supreme Overlord
EVs: 132 HP / 252 Atk / 124 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Knock Off
• Iron Head
• Pursuit
• Sucker Punch

Idt you need THAT much speed on lando just enough for bolt will suffice

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 132 Spe
Impish Nature

• Earthquake
• U-turn
• Defog
• Taunt/Toxic

I think I like toxic here more but taunt is good as well.

Those are the changes I’d make I hope you like them

[vague hemlock]

I think kyurem should be a sub roost or offensive boots variant

Lop should be either Uturn or toxic > encore I like toxic more as this allows you to pressure checks to Kyurem like opposing moltres and a potential lop switch in such as zapdos and putting lando on a timer.

Zeraora is not a good Mon it’s not ranked either. I think you should put a water resistance here I think you would benefit from having an alomomola here to answer things like offensive great tusk which looks pretty annoying here

Helps with keeping ting Lu and moltres healthy.

[vague hemlock]

@bronze oracle this was for you btw when you see this

[hoary barn]

https://pokepast.es/9cf5f0b2c1c64097 team has been working pretty nicely

but my only problem really is dealing with tapu lele with t-bolt/thunder

nothing on my team can wall moonblast tbolt and psyshock

should i use a different offensive option than koko?

[forest osprey]

Toxic for Moltres or Zap sounds good. I usually use encore to waste opponents roosts. Would you do Dragapult over zeraora?

[void thorn]

https://pokepast.es/3f2eaa0f400c954d i just wanted to use Hoopa unbound without HO can sm1 help me?

[celest merlin]

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[vague hemlock]

Oh ye boots pivot pult work here too

[forest osprey]

Might use that z move

[vague hemlock]

Hate to break it to you but hoopa not really making waves in this meta it’s too slow. Vulnerable to Uturn and pursuit and it’s weak to priority.

[vague hemlock]

Nah this one

Dragapult @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Hex
• Will-O-Wisp
• Dragon Darts
• U-turn

You could run the dragon z one though with naive nature

[void thorn]

ik

but there is 3 mons i rlly wanna use atm

[vague hemlock]

It just has too many flaws to built an effective team with it

[void thorn]

first is victini 2nd is hoopa and 3rd is Orthworm

its rlly good stall breaker

[vague hemlock]

Tini can prob work but the other two no

Make sure you check out viability rankings

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-viability-rankings-post-tera-ban.3756130/

[void thorn]

i thought this is to rate the team generally and maybe help out

[vague hemlock]

This is what is viable in the current metagame

[void thorn]

and see how viable the team generally is

and not just screw it fully

[vague hemlock]

Correct and I’m informing you that the Mon you are building around which is the star of your team has no viability

Well it does but

It’s very inconsistent

[void thorn]

well its a slow but rlly strong hitting pokemon

and alot of people run stall which it just beats

if i use a nice speed control around it id say it can work

[void thorn]

anyways other question by any chance u got a mvenusaur or a sub kyurem team i could maybe snack?

[vague hemlock]

Well first with your hoopa team I suggest putting zama > tusk

[void thorn]

thats a great idea

[vague hemlock]

Clodsire @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Earthquake
• Amnesia
• Stealth Rock
• Recover

[void thorn]

i was just looking for speed control

[vague hemlock]

This clod set

[void thorn]

i was thinking to maybe run tspikes on clodd

[vague hemlock]

Dragapult > Diancie

With boots

[void thorn]

and do u think moltres works as the only hazard control?

hex set?

[vague hemlock]

no not on teams like this

[void thorn]

what set then?

draco?

[vague hemlock]

This

[void thorn]

https://pokepast.es/64e0de7d328034b0

like this`?

[vague hemlock]

Yeah

[void thorn]

i thought i shouldnt run hex lol

[vague hemlock]

Zapdos> molt

[vague hemlock]

nah that’s a legit set

Add zap you should be good

[void thorn]

doesnt kartana annoy the f out of me then?

[vague hemlock]

I must warn you though if you are new to Natdex hoopa os very hard to use if you aren’t used to it

[void thorn]

and rilla

[vague hemlock]

No zap checks both

[void thorn]

im not new to natdex

im new to gen 9 kinda lol

i used the last couple days to ladder a bit and hit 1780

[vague hemlock]

And zap doesn’t immediately fold to knock

Oh ok you should be good then

[void thorn]

volt or u-turn?

[vague hemlock]

My issue with fog molt is things it likes to switch into ideally has knock

[void thorn]

or should i just go for tbol?

roar on zama?

[vague hemlock]

Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
EVs: 248 HP / 184 Def / 76 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Bold Nature

• Volt Switch
• Hurricane
• Defog
• Roost

This

[void thorn]

shouldnt i use heat wave?

for ferro and so on

[vague hemlock]

Zama subs on ferro ideally you could if you want to forgo Defog

[void thorn]

oops forgot i wanted to run lefties on zama

[void thorn]

what abt this?

[vague hemlock]

I think I do give me a sec

A friend passed this https://pokepast.es/25d2a09bc75a8d8d

https://pokepast.es/58f7b28200730004 by AM

Hf

[void thorn]

Tyvm

Any chance u got smt with victini aswell?

[merry delta]

Tox Kyu is a new tech to me

[void thorn]

Fr fr

[vague hemlock]

It baits spdef moltres and puts it in a timer I’m assuming

[vague hemlock]

Ineros made this one https://pokepast.es/a7fd2883e5f81a8f

[merry delta]

No that team is bad

Just use the sample sun

https://pokepast.es/fbdfd4856ec46745

[void thorn]

Im not the biggest fan of ho

It feels like its skillless

[vague hemlock]

Idt I’d categorize this as HO tho

[void thorn]

Well for me it kinda is

Well the 1 above isnt

Nvm

Sorry these are fine

[vague hemlock]

Gl hf

[void thorn]

Ty ty

[bronze oracle]

Sweet, thanks a lot! I like the changes and will surely try them out.

[vague hemlock]

Goodluck!

[bronze oracle]

One question, would Slack Off be acceptable on Slowking-G over Thunder Wave if I'm using it on Ferrothorn?

I've ran into a few situations where I had been worn down a bit too much and Slack Off probably would have saved me. I'm also having issues with Mega Charizard Y now that I don't have Toxapex, I have to take a Weather Ball with Slowking-G, switch into Suicune, Protect, back into Slowking-G for the Solar Beam, etc. and stall out Sun turns hoping I don't get predicted and I essentially lose if I don't have Stealth Rock up.

[void thorn]

guys how would u build a balance team around mega banette?

[vague hemlock]

Yeah you could but always try to get rocks up asap vs yard

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/1e5df55837ae3fe9
ok so
I half know this team sucks, the concept is awful
but i'm currently 6-0 with it and for some reason it feels fucking incredible to play

[celest merlin]

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[limber crypt]

if ur real u go rocksless with melm > aggron but thats like the only thing i wanna change abt this

This is fire

[hollow basalt]

shit that's like
the first actual compliment i've ever had on a team lmao

aggron melm same shit, i'll swap it

AV melm?

or tox/twave

[limber crypt]

seems a bit too susceptible to chip so i think glove is better, idt it matters too juch tho

[hollow basalt]

actually this works well too
I was having trouble with corv

[limber crypt]

av seems a bit unneeded with dengo tho

[hollow basalt]

glove iron fist thunder punch coming off melm hits hard enough prob

[limber crypt]

also if ur no hazard control might as well have inner focus dnite

immune to intim

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/7efcc9f3849a53ea smth like this? the melm spread is something i'll need to test

I usually use bulky melm but I think just maxing damage here is best

spdef investment > hp since it's so physically bulky anyway

[limber crypt]

ye this is the standard melm spread

cant say if its good but i can def say its heat

[hollow basalt]

it's been decent enough around 1500

and 1500 is my chill area so that's all I can ask

last move on comfey is kinda w/e too
i'm running defog just in case I really need removal? it only really needs 3 moves anyway

[limber crypt]

taunt or synth seems funny

[hollow basalt]

mmk
tyvm

possibly the first team I can be really proud of and it's this shit lmao

[solid palm]

https://pokepast.es/562ef3c243fe55ff

any advice on what i could add as my sixth mon

or what i can do to improve the 5 mons already in

[nocturne plover]

https://pokepast.es/8de127cf492a309d whipped this up pretty quickly for a tour im playing in on friday

[celest merlin]

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[limber crypt]

ppl get petty so im just gonna ask u throw on a gtusk or smth to make this a full team thn ill rate it

[limber crypt]

spdef hippo pdef tang, this sems a bit lacking in power so i would prefer specs pult here, and for more power or maintaining spikes u can go melm > ferro over skarm

[solid palm]

https://pokepast.es/a29d956890203801

[nocturne plover]

Sorry can you elaborate on that last part cuz when I see melm I think of melmetal and ain't that fella in ubers?

[limber crypt]

we freed him, theres no tera anymore

you had pult on this team so i thought u knew

[nocturne plover]

Right pult was also sent to the shadow realm a while back

I used to pray for times like this

So melm and ferro or melm or ferro?

[solid palm]

yo quick question

can life orb affect mons with magic guard

[limber crypt]

think the best way to solve this is to make it straight ho, waterpon > kart, suicide lead lando > ferro, screens koko, sd val, and bulk up tusk, volc is also an option over tusk, use the sets from the anwlyses for all of these guys

[limber crypt]

no

[solid palm]

and it will still give the damage boost?

[limber crypt]

yes it gives the boost with no self damage

[solid palm]

at that point

ima just make a whole notha team

[nocturne plover]

https://pokepast.es/e978d50dee5dfd97 @limber crypt

[limber crypt]

ye i like this

[nocturne plover]

cool ty sol

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/b8e4de3866d07435

[celest merlin]

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[maiden cloud]

https://pokepast.es/2438f271e87198fc
Pls @ me bc i have server muted

[plush lintel]

sir

you have a corviknight

and ur using defog volcanion

calm mind quick attack

wide lens tinglu

[sand mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/delete-erase-not-worth-forget-it-clean-slate-gif-8510937

[hollow basalt]

can't handle the heat

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/2c995a59888764f8

[celest merlin]

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[next forge]

The bottom three have good synergy but suboptimal sets while the first 3 are kinda random while also having bad sets

Clodsire only works on stall cuz its so passive while mega gallade is usually a worse mega lopunny or medicham

Kartana never runs assault vest cuz it's so frail even with the support while missing out on z moves to blast through checks like zapdos or moltres, or a scarf to be a good revenge killer

Utility pult without pivoting is a sad mon esp into stuff like gambit or ttar, while kingambit would much prefer it's utility set over SD for this structure. Victini also never runs white herb over heavy duty boots for it's pivot set

https://pokepast.es/303d903eb7b9d8b0

Tbf this could prob be tweaked to have a better rain MU but this is an improvement methinks

Also that should be draco meteor dragapult not dragon darts

[cobalt skiff]

yeah i though abt that but decided going with ddarts

tysm for help

[next forge]

I mean doesn't make sense to run darts with an atk lowering nature

At least use the mixed spread

[cobalt skiff]

i use mega gallade cuz the dpunch

it works pretty good

[void thorn]

yo guys any1 has an idea for an mega banette team?

[lost pewter]

https://pokepast.es/3f81d22324585c50 hehehe shell smash go BRRRRRRRRRRR

[plush lintel]

why did hoodedzack use clodsire on his mgallade team then 🤔 tbf this just seems like a worse version of that

[next forge]

Water Absorb clod is the worst rain answer u could have ngl

Folds to mswampert

Barely checks arch

Still does nothing and sits around clicking toxic

Barra with psyfangs over aqua jet also destroys it

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/d9e1fe062066c3cc

[celest merlin]

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[nocturne plover]

Can you please explain to me why the team is good/why it works so I can explain it to somebody else

[limber crypt]

I can explain why, in gwneral sand has a very linear style of building to it but hippo tang and pex are all really solid walls that help exca melm and pult deal damage, pult exca are good speed control while melm is capable of crippling or wearing down most of their checks, tang and pex help check alot of stuff like waterpon zardy and rain while hippo sets rodks and is the ground of the team

[limber crypt]

what was this built around? I feel like you kinda stacked offensive mons on ech other, yard rilla pult dont rly go well together imo

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/516651b356869e7f

[celest merlin]

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[hollow basalt]

this one isn't a meme for once

[limber crypt]

kgb > scarf lele, 4a boots zama, scarf hamurott > glowking, you may wanna consider latios> latias on a team as aggressive as this but thats ur choice, this should help the team vs darks and ghosts in general

[hollow basalt]

latias is staying, favourite of mine
tyty though

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/065831a300d021c0

[celest merlin]

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[plush lintel]

pult gambit tusk

and i wanted to use yard

then i got a pex, since i was weak to yard

then someone suggested boom, which i didnt understand either tbh

[plush lintel]

scrap that, i think this is better : https://pokepast.es/11c0136e8ea340b6

[celest merlin]

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[marble hinge]

https://pokepast.es/ Im new to OU so I want to know how to improve my team

[next forge]

I think adding a pokemon would be a good start

[marble hinge]

my bad fprgot to paste team

https://pokepast.es/b94b81cd58129cef Here

[nocturne plover]

https://pokepast.es/5583f9a72bd2525f could i possibly fit mega ttar in here and swap exca to balloon/

[celest merlin]

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[hollow radish]

https://pokepast.es/38a84b10e78554f3 me trying to build non-ho for once (scream)

[limber crypt]

u can do this, but id drop melm for smth else as well, prob tran

[limber crypt]

this lacks a real steel so im dropping mmaw for ferro w/ eject button, that should hopefully keep the aggressive pace of the team while giving it defensive utility

[limber crypt]

Was this built around stall or dengo + pult? I ask bc i wanna know what direction i can takee with this team

[hollow radish]

fair, that's all?

also what moveset on ferro lol

[limber crypt]

just the standard moveset with eject > lefties

idt much rlse needs to change just keep in mind thE team should be pretty aggressive

[hollow radish]

bet ty

[nocturne plover]

RIP my goat melm

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/d442029d56ed5da5

[celest merlin]

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[vague hemlock]

Not a fan of crown here

Your team would appreciate a pursuit trapping dark like Mega ttar or Av gambit here

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/b4c43f09184f89d5

[celest merlin]

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[nocturne plover]

https://pokepast.es/997231962b06faf3 trying to fit mega ttar on this team, prob gonna put flash cannon over rocks on tran

@vague hemlock it's lowkey urgent 😭

I got a tour to play in that's starting in a few minutes

[vague hemlock]

Ttar > hippo

Make drill steel z

Ferro > tang tbh since spikes

Tran can be something else

[nocturne plover]

Back to melm?

[vague hemlock]

I’m thinking more like zap

[nocturne plover]

ic ic

i didnt even get to play in the tour cuz i was at the barber shop and got dq'd

kinda annoyed but it's wtv

[vague hemlock]

Ah rip

[nocturne plover]

https://pokepast.es/62b54422aef615de

[nocturne plover]

yeah and i was like almost able to make it too

[vague hemlock]

This hates gambit prob zama > pult as speed control

[nocturne plover]

hidin was in the tour which was funny tho

[vague hemlock]

Ah

[nocturne plover]

https://pokepast.es/48a1b531e9b421a0

[vague hemlock]

Looks good

Hf

[lament jetty]

I personally like HP ice over hurricane but thats just me

[merry delta]

Nah u want cane on zap always imo

[lament jetty]

gambling addicts smh

dont we value hitting lando scor more than hitting the random flying weak mons?

[merry delta]

Lando is already hit hard by cane

Glisc is like yeah but I still think it’s decent chip, hits Val zama and pon hard

[lament jetty]

oh its pon and zama

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/58b152d8f1131b15

[celest merlin]

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[spiral pond]

Did u win? ( Ping me in #comp-general-2 )

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/11c0136e8ea340b6

[knotty flare]

Good team just curious why u put roost on gliscor when it already got poisen heal? Also razor shell would be a better move than aqua cutter

[spiral pond]

Old team

[hoary barn]

just a question; is max def and sp. def provide significantly better survivability than max hp to not want the higher healing from wish

[merry delta]

Yes the Mola spread is good there

Mola’s hp is already so high

[hoary barn]

oh should i also run max def max sp. def in my stall team

[dense burrow]

https://pokepast.es/55aace75f1774ba1

[dense burrow]

this is good?

[tall tendon]

https://pokepast.es/aede054c308f4734

I need alolatales OUT I don't know why I added it, also will change anything other than the fact that I'm using msciz

[celest merlin]

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[celest merlin]

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[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/211759e51a7957aa (slightly updated)

[limber crypt]

only real change id make is someone (prob waterpon) over av rilla, i dont rly see the merit of rilla outside of terrain and waterpon just helps with the offensive pressure of the team

[limber crypt]

think av hamu > alolatales with subroost kyu is the play here that gives you some leeway vs ghold/pult/gambit

[tall tendon]

https://pokepast.es/ef84e03227644ff8

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/11c0136e8ea340b6

[swift gull]

https://pokepast.es/e9fade55b1662bb8
How could I improve this team?

[celest merlin]

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[limber crypt]

Im gonna recommend looking at samples just because everything outside of mlop is unviable, and theres an av aegislash which is def not optimal, the samples will help you get a better understanding of what is viable

[limber crypt]

This team is good, but theres a sample sun that you may want to look that has a lot of similar ideas, but to aboid that, id say scarf lando > ursaluna and raging bolt > pult, no steel isnt ideal but im sure its fine here

[limber crypt]

ye this is good

[merry delta]

There’s a steel it’s av gambit

Boots should be on Terap always lefties is horrible

[plush lintel]

i see, tysm!

we have a gambit tho

[limber crypt]

ye im blind, team should be good tho

[plush lintel]

tyty

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/3eb750eb08d15d44