NatDex OU Rates

[ebon hare]

https://pokepast.es/098aae1519d54185

Please rate

[merry delta]

This is way too passive

U need some breakers

[ebon hare]

Yea ur right

But what should I replace?

Alt I updated the team: https://pokepast.es/956048051049259d

Added some breakers

Is it good now?

[next forge]

Replace leech seed with earth power to.not be walled by heatran

Replace stone edge on lando for taunt or Toxic

Replace banded kart (mid set) with subroost kyurem since this team kinda hates dragons even with Iron Valiant

Speaking of val Replace psyshock with Focus Blast or Thunderbolt or Encore (psyshock does nothing to blissey trust me)

Also use dex spreads for this tier (mvenu doesn't run max defense)

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/919b53bcf87eb20b

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plush lintel]

🔥

[next forge]

U gotta decide if u want glowking or crown

This gives hamurott in particular too many entry points

And the spikes it spams hurts shifu a lot

I say keep glowking and replace crown with

Ferro probably

Other than that this looks solid

Oh go taunt/toxic on lando idt knock is that useful

U have ttar to abuse flying switch ins like torn

[plush lintel]

okay sir

https://pokepast.es/a85444eff4f554fe

this?

[next forge]

Yeye this looks better methinks

[plush lintel]

cool

[ebon hare]

Are the rest of the spreads fine?

[next forge]

Lando doesn't usually run spdef

It's either max hp max def or enough evs to outspeed modest raging bolt (idk what that spread is but it's there somewhere i think)

[ebon hare]

Alr thx

Updated the team: https://pokepast.es/767b1604e061f56c

[ebon hare]

?

[next forge]

go focus blast on valiant and go tera ghost

or steel

[ebon hare]

focus blast is unreliable tho?

[lament jetty]

It’s the best option unfortunately

Many mons run it because the value it brings is higher

[ebon hare]

alr

[reef knoll]

https://pokepast.es/89e99ad048ea60e5 Was specs zap but thought z might be better

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ebon hare]

Pls rate: https://pokepast.es/879832d4ecd1a2b7

Mega bro team

And double regen + heatran core

[ebon hare]

?

[dense holly]

https://pokepast.es/f6cd13a39f629678 tried building around mega x, its working somewhat but still feels wierd

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ebon hare]

the raters are gone

[wary bison]

https://pokepast.es/3b72ba248de3203d I wanted to make a team around hisuian goodra, and idk if this is the right channel to paste this team in bc im pretty new to comp and idk what half of the tiers really mean + if you guys have suggestions or can give me another team with this h-goodra i would very much appreciate it bc im pretty bad at teambuilding

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[next forge]

singles use level 100 not level 50, and you're definitely better off using sample teams if youre brand new because these mons dont have that much synergy with each other (thund-i and hoodra are just unviable, sinistcha is niche and the rest have suboptimal sets)

[celest merlin]

National Dex (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Tournament schedule
• C&C reservation index
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[wary bison]

oh yea i forgot why i changed the levels, + would thunderus therian work out better, and what are sample teams btw?

would u have recomendations for h-goodra team?

[next forge]

thund-t is basically outclassed by tapu koko

and sample teams are just rental teams

teams u can use and are generally good

[next forge]

no hoodra is too passive and has longevity issues since it cant heal reliably

[wary bison]

where can i find some?

[vague hemlock]

Not really a fan of a raging bolt weak team. Mega bro is not really a thing in gen 9 meta he way too offensive and fast for it to do anything. Additionally, if offensive is not a rock or dragon z set it’s really not good. Not a fan of boots fog torn as especially as stand alone speed control. I’d go back to the drawing board here.

[next forge]

@wary bison the first link here

[wary bison]

ok ty, do you have other suggestions of getting better and etc? like idk where to start other than using sample teams

[next forge]

just play more ngl

thats the best advice i got

[wary bison]

1 last thing, hoodra isnt just a good mon to use? from what ur saying? like the hoodra set in the pokepaste doesnt work out well?

like i wanna use h-deci, h-liligant, and h-samurott but idk how to make those viable also cuz they seem to be bad (unless idk how to use them)

[next forge]

hsamurott is good

[wary bison]

for set up right?

[next forge]

the rest are bad becuase theyre mostly outclassed by other stuff

[wary bison]

like the spikes

[next forge]

either that or choice scarf

[wary bison]

oh ok

[next forge]

like why use hoodra when u can use iron crown or ferrothorn or heatran

[wary bison]

do you have a quick set for h-samurott, as your personal build?

[wary bison]

ah i just wanna use the mons that i really like, but ig thats not the case here (thats why i really want to use hoodra)

[next forge]

hoodra is solid in NDUU afaik

[wary bison]

but ill take those other options like heatran in my mind

oh ok

[next forge]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/samurott-hisui/national-dex/

[wary bison]

ok tysm

[ebon hare]

Searing board?

[vague hemlock]

Meant drawing board

Fudge

But yea

[ebon hare]

https://pokepast.es/ee0e80b42212a178 pls help me

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plush lintel]

is grassium z kart real tech

[next forge]

Only bulky defog idk abt regular SD

Fightinium z + sacred sword

Or normalium z giga impact or whatever the move is

[plush lintel]

yeah i dont think sd grassium z is a set

[vague hemlock]

It’s not

[feral canopy]

meh its fine

it can nuke a lot of shit

similiar-ish to norm z but not scary without the boost and cant bop dnite like norm z

but u can knock it and bop it after

but it nukes almost everything

definitely dont want smart strike tho

[vague hemlock]

On what structures

Grassy terrain ?

[feral canopy]

N just in general

when u need knock and need smtg similiar to norm z

Kart in general this gen has had a poor showing tho

but last gen it was legit

[vague hemlock]

Yea

[ebon hare]

I added grassium z to threaten lando t

Cuz the team kinda struggles with it

Ok I js changed it to normalium z

And changed sacred sword to knock off

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/ece8dc2bd968acb4

[tacit lichen]

Gallade-Mega @ Galladite
Ability: Inner Focus
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Drain Punch
• Ice Punch
• Leaf Blade
• Shadow Sneak

Sylveon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Cute Charm
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Draining Kiss
• Psychic
• Shadow Ball
• Mystical Fire

Landorus @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Force
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Crunch
• Outrage
• Iron Tail
• Earthquake

Archaludon (M) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Electro Shot
• Aura Sphere
• Flash Cannon
• Dragon Pulse

Melmetal @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Iron Fist
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant Nature

• Double Iron Bash
• Body Slam
• Ice Punch
• Earthquake

Help me with thus team who should be my last Pokémon

@vague hemlock

@ebon hare

[next forge]

Landorus-I and Melmetal are banned and the rest are either unoptimal or just bad

Just use samples atp

[ebon hare]

Why did u ping me

Also why do u have melmetal in natdex OU

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/create trying to build with urshifu+lele, any feedback?

[slate lantern]

Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Level: 100
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 0 Atk / 184 Def / 0 SpA / 0 SpD / 72 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 31 HP / 31 Atk / 31 Def / 31 SpA / 31 SpD / 31 Spe

• Roost
• Defog
• Hurricane
• Discharge

Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Level: 100
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 0 HP / 252 Atk / 0 Def / 0 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 31 HP / 31 Atk / 31 Def / 31 SpA / 31 SpD / 31 Spe

• Earthquake
• Stealth Rock
• Swords Dance
• Stone Edge

Tapu Lele
Level: 100
EVs: 0 HP / 0 Atk / 0 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 31 HP / 31 Atk / 31 Def / 31 SpA / 31 SpD / 31 Spe

• Moonblast
• Psyshock
• Focus Blast
• Calm Mind

Toxapex @ Black Sludge
Level: 100
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 0 Atk / 4 Def / 0 SpA / 252 SpD / 0 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 31 HP / 31 Atk / 31 Def / 31 SpA / 31 SpD / 31 Spe

• Scald
• Recover
• Haze
• Toxic

Weavile @ Choice Band
Level: 100
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 0 HP / 252 Atk / 0 Def / 0 SpA / 0 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 31 HP / 31 Atk / 31 Def / 31 SpA / 31 SpD / 31 Spe

• Knock Off
• Triple Axel
• Ice Shard
• Pursuit

Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
Level: 100
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 0 HP / 252 Atk / 0 Def / 0 SpA / 0 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 31 HP / 31 Atk / 31 Def / 31 SpA / 31 SpD / 31 Spe

• Waterfall
• Dragon Dance
• Power Whip
• Taunt

hey, i´m looking for some feedback, what do u think abput this team?

[vague hemlock]

1. This should be in pokepaste.

2. You have 2 non ou viable mons.

3. The team should be completed for a rate.

Lastly,it’s best you use our resources for Natdex samples and the viability rankings to build comprehensive understanding of what you are building for.

[vague hemlock]

Invalid paste

[vague hemlock]

Should be in pokepaste but this feels a bit random. Esp with helmet swords dance chomp and random gyarados. Choice band weavile with no removal. Additionally no obligatory steel to check things like lele.

[slate lantern]

srry im new to this

ill use the link next time

[vague hemlock]

All good I’d use the resources

To help

[slate lantern]

thx anyways

[slate lantern]

weavile wont go

i messed up and got a hisuian, sneasler is uber so wont fit

what would u recommend me?

[vague hemlock]

I don’t really suggest building for a tier you don’t know but gking+weavile is a fine start

Slowking galar + weavile

[slate lantern]

ik but i dont know any tier

im building cause this tier is the one we use at our sv

[slate lantern]

might check it out

rn i got lele, chomp and toxapex

wanted to build around them

[vague hemlock]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-viability-rankings.3714511/

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/

I’d check these out

[slate lantern]

oh thx man

[vague hemlock]

Np

[slate lantern]

appretiate it

[vague hemlock]

Anytime

[tacit lichen]

@vague hemlock can You check Your Dms Bro.

[ebon hare]

https://pokepast.es/79d7659eb5db8f82

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ebon hare]

Added clodsire so the team is safe from raging bolt

But I still feel like I need Tran

Any advice?

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/2ed3aaeec34c4b98 revamped the team a little, how does it look now?

I still have minor issues against big breakers like waterpon, ursa, mawile, and bolt but I don't see how to completely build past those while maintaining structure

[ebon hare]

https://pokepast.es/ed155851ea0d8db5 mega sableye team

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ebon hare]

I might have cooked with this

[dense stratus]

I think dropping grass knot or flamethrower on galarian slowbro for chilly reception would be better, if you predict a switch and you don't know into who you get to have a free turn

[ebon hare]

I’m assault vest bud

[next forge]

Mega sableye only works on stall cuz of how passive it is

This team is too slow and is prone to just being beaten to death by stuff like kyurem or mixed valiant

Also av glowking sucks don't use it

Also there's like 3/4 mons that just lose to mttar alone

Nvm stuff like hamurott eating this team alive

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

there are much much more obvious things than switching ursaluna to tusk but

ud be better off trying the samples and learning from that first

[celest merlin]

National Dex (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Tournament schedule
• C&C reservation index
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[feral canopy]

@cobalt skiff

read through these resources and start from scratch

[vague hemlock]

This feels a bit all over the place water absorb clod with all due respect is a meme. Secondly, slowbro galar is not ranked in natdex ou. Mon choices over all seem questionable as I see no synergy here.

Drop torkoal for mega Charizard Y, calm mind tera fairy raging bolt > dragonite. Drop mega sciz for grassium Defog kart

Tusk should be bulk up spin ice spinner headlong rush with tera steel

With lefties

Give venusuar earth power > sludge bomb getting walled by Tran is annoying

[barren mirage]

https://pokepast.es/3f2538793cfff29d Hi, I made a team for a local tournament (with a lot of restrictions) any ideas on what I could improve without legendary/mythical/ub/paradox pokemon?

[vague hemlock]

We do not rate teams with special restrictions or self imposed ones

[barren mirage]

ah ok

[vague hemlock]

Yeah it’s fine it helps you check stuff like lele

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vague hemlock]

Solid

[next forge]

Use lefties tera fairy raging bolt not Assault Vest

One calm mind in sun and raging bolt becomes unwallable for anything not named blissey or clodsire

[vague hemlock]

Oh I ain’t see that

Lmaoo

Lefties cm tera fairy

[next forge]

Also if u want u can use sub or taunt on it which is kinda cool but usually tbolt is better in that slot

[vague hemlock]

Raging bolt like I said before

[next forge]

Also tera water tusk is better than ground

[vague hemlock]

Raging Bolt @ Dragonium Z
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 76 HP / 48 Def / 252 SpA / 132 Spe
IVs: 20 Atk
Tera Type: Flying
Modest Nature

• Thunderclap
• Thunderbolt
• Calm Mind
• Draco Meteor

[next forge]

He has z kartana

[vague hemlock]

Lefties

[next forge]

Oh ye don't use smart strike on kart

Use knock off

[vague hemlock]

I meant to say

Yeah

[next forge]

Also this team is hazardless

Just drop bulk up with stealth rocks on tusk ngl

[vague hemlock]

Rip finish this up for me sami

I’m a bit busy

[next forge]

Also go tera water on iron crown over tera steel

Or fairy if u wanna but water is usually better for sun

Tera fire venusaur for stronger weather ball

And i think that's it

Yey this is better

[mellow moon]

What do you guys think of my team

Poison of the Jabberwock

https://pokepast.es/eb221c185eabb41a

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mellow moon]

It took me this long to get here

[plush lintel]

did you finally reach 1001??

[next forge]

i think its bad, like this team is all over the place, the sets are just bad (tailwind quiver dance volc WHO are u trying to outspeed bro), the mons chosen are just bad (why 2 steel types, why base ttar) and this team almost insta loses to any rain team imagineable even with a ttar

just use samples

[next forge]

going off of this im assuming ur building mega chomp sand... ||dont||

mega chomp sucks and running gigalith and base ttar is not helping vs stuff like iron valiant

[next forge]

before u say "tera water volc + chansey beats rain!" uhh no

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Barraskewda Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Water Volcarona in Rain: 207-244 (55.3 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

252 Atk Swampert-Mega Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Water Volcarona: 171-202 (45.7 - 54%) -- 46.9% chance to 2HKO
0 SpA Tera Water Volcarona Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Swampert-Mega: 260-308 (76.2 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[next forge]

also u have 2 megas

[plush lintel]

wdym its obviously clearly a banger

[next forge]

[mellow moon]

That's true ig I'll get rid of Tailwind, but idk what to put there

maybe bug buzz

I think I can replace Aggron with Ogerpon

About Mega Swampert I can build speed on Garchomp with Scale Shot or I can try to use Tera on Tyranitar

or just switch in Ogerpon, although they probably are prepared for that

this is what I came up with, although it might still be pretty bad

https://pokepast.es/3c740421ac4b0f88

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ebon hare]

yes u did

u named that shi KSI

[mellow moon]

He was in the thick of it

[cinder goblet]

Small tweaks, I’d go z Draco on bolt there’s really no reason not to with an open z move slot and Tera lefties cm bolt is more effective with substitute anyway. Tera dark on weavile as the defensive utility of any other Tera is extremely situational. Ice spinner > jet on shifu since you have two other priority options and it helps a ton with z outrage dnite which is by far the most problematic dnite for your team. Might also recommend you invest a lot in speed if you’re gonna use taunt epower lando with no hazard removal as you can deny glimmora lead completely and better chance to outspeed opposing lando and stop rocks going up

Could work. You have another dragon type still but it’s notably weaker against shifu without dnite. Mostly I’d be concerned about all the ground type weakness and a well timed Tera water lando shuts down both physical attackers and hits 5/6 of the team pretty hard with eq

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/5005b2be1d0d1447

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/60875f5268657ba2
neutral as shit team for post tera ban testing

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[next forge]

Defog volc is ass and this team kinda struggles vs iron moth

Fuse volc and crown into one slot via heatran with rocks and then run defog lando

For the extra slot just have a good physical breaker like idk weavile or smth

[hollow basalt]

ty

[loud oyster]

https://pokepast.es/9c2c691aa0b2ae43

first nd team since tera ban

how does it look (kingambit balance)

[pure sinew]

garg sounds like its very bad now

[loud oyster]

oh

melmetal

[primal tree]

https://pokepast.es/57093367d4850aa0 hey fellas got handed this m venu fat team that I like a lot, but I wanted to see what u guys think bc some of it is a little weird to me

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wooden mango]

https://pokepast.es/a81ed3131d299f40 how sould I fix this team

[plush lintel]

im not a fan of band on trick room

the whole point of trick room is to outspeed and KO

u cant exactly do that with band

since u cant hit resists as well as u should

[wooden mango]

oh ok

[pure sinew]

uh

band does the job of outspeeding and koing better

rather than wasting a turn on setup

[plush lintel]

ok

go band

kill 1 mon

opp goes resisting mon

switch

nice waste of tr turn

[pure sinew]

as opposed to not killing 1 mon

also melm can flinch through half of its resists

[pure sinew]

it also just cant tera

so its stuck as a rock type

[civic saddle]

https://pokepast.es/e572d863d6062ab1
what can I improve here

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense stratus]

Gah! I hate not being able to tera!

[vague hemlock]

Lowkick > suit on gambit. suit on sd kinda weird.

2. Make tusk bulk up so drop close combat

3. Lele interferes with gambit sucker punch so opting for another speed control mon probably like specs pult which solidifies your rain matchup.

4. Tran should probably be balloon or something

I’m seeing tusk as your only removal you can probably go grassium fog kart in that slot instead

Over Tran

[civic saddle]

I need suit for sure
could I go AV?

Also I reached 1812 with the team it looks decent but

I'll try out this versionntoo

[vague hemlock]

No I don’t really like av much

Feels greedy

Has respectable bulk already

[vague hemlock]

That’s p good

Gl

[civic saddle]

What item on gambit then
Keep it glasses?

[vague hemlock]

Ye keep glasses

Sun is offense after all

[civic saddle]

This feels like a OU team lol

pult gambit bolt tusk

[vague hemlock]

Sure does

Lmao

[civic saddle]

I changed lele to pult and reached 1833
I also changed sd to iron head on gambit
I don't rly wanna do the other changes cuz they don't feel that good

so ig I'll keep this

although pult got sacked before it could do anything in the game I used it in

[vague hemlock]

Is it still sd or 4 attacks

[civic saddle]

4 attacks

iron head 3 dark

[vague hemlock]

Yeah fair this is day one knowledge so I’m doing my best

[vague hemlock]

Ight bet

Gl

[civic saddle]

Thanks
I'm done for today on the ladder tho I reached top 19 rn

[vague hemlock]

🔥

[primal tree]

https://pokepast.es/c4d2c2bd1b13bde1 tried to make medicham spikes is it ass

[loud oyster]

https://pokepast.es/a889e044dd1d1dbf

kingambit 4 attacks balance

ive been pretty satisfied with this team so far upon testing

[vague hemlock]

Yeah this looks p fine

Defiant could work here

[loud oyster]

rly

i thought supreme overlord was the standard ability on gambit

[vague hemlock]

Hazard stack can run defiant

Up to you

[loud oyster]

fair

i assume defiant is for lando t

[vague hemlock]

Works on fog

As well

[loud oyster]

oh yea

didnt think of that

[vague hemlock]

Yuh

[loud oyster]

i prob should give moltres some speed investment

to speed creep bulky dengo

[vague hemlock]

Yuh

[primal tree]

Would appreciate some advice on this, someone suggested maybe swapping torn with ghold is that'd work better?

[feral canopy]

i think

if u want to use medi spikes

u want to use a more proactive spike setter instead of glisc

hisamu garchomp even meow or ferro

[primal tree]

I can see that, maybe chomp or meow for smth thats also faster

Should I maybe swap alo too then?

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/052158ff0c51f63c

[loud oyster]

actually is there anything i can do to improve my stall matchup

because i notice that gliscor/pex core shut it down completely

[vague hemlock]

Yes

Make gambit sd

You can make shifu a taunt variant

[vague hemlock]

Where your water resistance

That specs terapaogos set also suboptimal

You should run star storm flame ice beam and earth power

Melm is weird here

Run ferro

Rocks ferro

And make

[loud oyster]

is kowtow cleave ok for a more consistently powerful dark move?

[vague hemlock]

Gliscor sd

No

Run knock

[feral canopy]

kowtow is infinitely worse than knock

[loud oyster]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Protective Pads
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Taunt
• Thunder Punch

[vague hemlock]

Yuh

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/4e12cd3222a93d5b

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[timber carbon]

https://pokepast.es/97c63e4de23543fa

Melmetal trick room, are there any big things I should change?

[vague hemlock]

We are still becoming acclimated with the meta so don’t expect rates right away especially with certain mons and team styles.

Just a general fyi

So bear with us if it takes a bit long

[hollow basalt]

npnp

yall do good work

[timber carbon]

Noted, thank you guys :)

[loud oyster]

I just changed Urshifu to sub roost kyurem

Gliscor + bulky water cores Cuck me otherwise

[primal tree]

https://pokepast.es/16f18b2fbbca907a changed up some stuff with the medi spikes team

@feral canopy how does this look now?

[heavy shadow]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/aae0d63434c1d5a0
thoughts?

[summer bobcat]

https://pokepast.es/d003b2efcf759c19 fat thats really just an excuse to pp stall people with kyurem

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[summer bobcat]

Relized i have 2 megas nvm back to the drawing broad

[plush lintel]

why would u run drypert tho

[summer bobcat]

You could never understand rest mega pert

[next forge]

I can

(Its ass)

[loud oyster]

I wouldn’t call this fat

You have mega diancie which mostly sees use in hyper offense and mega Swampert in rain

Fat teams rely on their bulk to make progress but aren’t completely passive like stall

[pure sinew]

yeah

idk why you would run either of those outside of ho

[hollow basalt]

tbf mdia is a sick wallbreaker

it's not awful on balance if you trade one for one with rocks + make a dent in something else

which it can do pretty consistently

[pure sinew]

then your opponent removes the rocks and you cant get them back up

suicide leads aren’t usually that good on balance for that reason

[next forge]

Suicide leads shouldn't be on balance cuz a balance team shouldn't be playing a 5v6

[violet fulcrum]

This is my team, and you will be swept any which way you slice it.

[loud oyster]

you dont have rocks, make diancie its suicide lead set

mega bedrill and salamence are bad

I would give mega scizor roost/close combat/roost/dual wingbeat in place of brick break and x scissor

ogerpon w's set is super weird either change zen headbutt to superpower for ferrothorn and spike shield to swords dance or change it to another sweeper since ogerpon w's speed tier is kind of awkward

change blaziken to flare bitz/protect/swords dance/close combat and give it sash

also your evs are super weird and im not familiar with ho in national dex so take my advice with a grain of salt

and use pokepaste next time

[violet fulcrum]

Now I improved the team slightly.

[next forge]

U still have THREE mega pokemon

Who are u mega evolving

Ik ur not using base beedrill

[lament jetty]

Return base Mence

Cope for megamence

But chat

Who cooked

[lament jetty]

Fellow beyblade enjoyer… idk if we can salvage this

Here, check out the sample teams, they give a good idea of what a good team is like (the Tera ban has made all of them outdated but they still give you an idea yk)

But still I am looking at this as if I saw a deck with rhino horn 4-80 quake

[noble hazel]

I think Physical val has merit now

cause it doesn't have to deal with tera to wall it

[noble hazel]

I took inspiration from @loud oyster 's team and suggestions, anything I should adjust? https://pokepast.es/8145b821c6da4ef4

[novel narwhal]

https://pokepast.es/85962875e4ca4e2e

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[novel narwhal]

How is this?

[loud oyster]

This is just my team but with kingambits set altered

I’d prob switch gambit to sd so you have something that can hit hard if needed

[ebon hare]

Is no one using shedinja

[loud oyster]

Supreme overlord or defiant is fine since this team is hazard stack balance

[loud oyster]

Low ladder maybe

[cobalt skiff]

This mode sucks now. Without tera it feels worse than gen 9 OU which is what I was trying to escape when playing Nat Dex

[cobalt skiff]

Bro boutta drop to pu

But can't cuz tera

[ebon hare]

My boi shedinja got a brief moment in the spotlight with Tera around

[cobalt skiff]

Bro got banned from ag which is hilarious

[noble hazel]

I'll put sd over pursuit

[noble hazel]

I dunno which to run tbh, I love the raw power given by Supreme Overlord but I get why defiant is good

I guess it comes down to if Rapid Spin is run more than Defog

[noble hazel]

a main thing is some of the EV spreads and items, I'm not too confident on some of em

so if someone could give tips for those that would be great

[loud oyster]

Kingambits evs prioritize out speeding clefable while maximizing its bulk

Lando is speed creeping kingambit and rival defensive lando

16 speed evs on my molt was to outspeed bulky gambit

[noble hazel]

gotcha

it's moreso molt and ferro where I'm stressed about the evs

cause I have their defenses balanced

[vast tendon]

2 rocks users tho\

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/887d9c8a21ded512

[summer bobcat]

https://pokepast.es/a619031898f8f9b8 fairly standard but with my old friends

[vague hemlock]

Just run spikes on ferro or give Ttar super power

[noble hazel]

ice beam, right?

on mel

[loud oyster]

Gold

Gholdengo not gambit*

[noble hazel]

ok

[noble hazel]

aside from that, do the defensive evs look good

[loud oyster]

They’re from the regular nd sample sets

So they’re fine

For ferro and molt

[noble hazel]

ok ty

[summer bobcat]

Wrong move lul

[novel narwhal]

https://pokepast.es/85962875e4ca4e2e

How is it?

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/5fe590d945ec92c6

[stiff estuary]

https://pokepast.es/6588445e1bbd4d32
need help with this team

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stiff estuary]

just crumples against sun and heatran

it initially had ghostium pult

dropped it for scarf shifu

and now I have zbond gren

[pure sinew]

it still has hypnosis too right

[noble hazel]

ye

[pure sinew]

wtf cc kills the whole tier at +2

[tall tendon]

https://pokepast.es/94683fa8ef1a1828

Was initially a mega ampharos joke team, tried salvaging it after I got bored if doing that

[next forge]

Holy shit 5 ground weak mons

Lando working overtime

[tall tendon]

I can sometimes bate with charizard😭

[next forge]

Sniped by stone edge from lando and chomp

[tall tendon]

helb

[next forge]

May I interest you in.....

Samples???

[tall tendon]

No!

I came here

To fix this team

[novel narwhal]

Then I just have one thing to say..

Learn better team-building.

[pure sinew]

there is no saving this team without replacing half of it

[next forge]

^^

[smoky solar]

Trying this out for the Nat dex tournament. Thoughts?

https://pokepast.es/c1865d6ca2f4ef60

[ebon hare]

Rate my sand team: https://pokepast.es/36bbfbeb49a0f633

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lament jetty]

Check how many pokemon ranked in natdex OU you have on your team first

Also, regieleki thuds into literally any ground type and will probably drop very soon

This team isn’t salvageable even if you replace 3 mons

[smoky solar]

I thought you could use lower rank mons in ou?

[lament jetty]

You can, but why would you use the unviable ones?

When better ones are right there??

[smoky solar]

Mostly preference. But I do see your point

[loud oyster]

empoleon is bad regardless of its set

mega beedrill is bad and a mega noob trap

whimsicott is bad

[lament jetty]

Yeah beedrill is just hard walled by corvi and skarm

[unkempt sinew]

Is archalodon good without rain?

[loud oyster]

volcarona needs hdb if it doesnt want to die to rocks

[lament jetty]

It’s usable, also this isn’t the place.

[loud oyster]

ribombee and regieleki dont synergize well together

[lament jetty]

Anyways just check the samples

[loud oyster]

i personally wouldnt use arch outside of rain, better dragons outside of rain exist

[lament jetty]

Or if you are afraid they are gonna know the sample sets

[smoky solar]

Eleki I just threw in last min it wasn't staying

[loud oyster]

you should at least test your team for a bit before asking for a rate

[lament jetty]

Go to somewhere where there are top players sharing their teams

[smoky solar]

This is my first foray into actual comp I've mostly made just meme teams so idk where that is

[loud oyster]

smogon forms

[lament jetty]

The discords of the tiers

You can ask for teams there

[smoky solar]

Oh. Well thanks I'll be sure to look I appreciate the insight

[lament jetty]

And tips and stuff to learn

[loud oyster]

@lament jetty you mind passing a national dex team by the way

[lament jetty]

Sure

Wait lemme see if I have it still

[loud oyster]

i want to use a team as a stopgap while i rebuild my own

@lament jetty you got it?

[summer bobcat]

@loud oyster https://pokepast.es/349f250f15e39fdf try this

[loud oyster]

Bulky offense?

[summer bobcat]

I guess

Also if you use this change u-turn on pult to sub

[loud oyster]

Sub dd pult?

Interesting

[novel narwhal]

https://pokepast.es/85962875e4ca4e2e

[lament jetty]

Check DMs

[ebon hare]

What

[ebon hare]

Rate my sand team pls

[untold onyx]

https://pokepast.es/9a2edb72c3a1fa8d been trying to build some kyu bo but i've been just stuck around high 1400s

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[untold onyx]

Main MU issue i've been seeing is vs bolt

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/bb71c08a88767ce3

[solar valley]

https://pokepast.es/8db82512f91618a1
I made melmetal as weirdly ground type counter because it survives almost all phys ground type moves from gt,iron treads, unboosted mega garchomp/garchomp, and earth power lando

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/0ebd742ed1fb285e

[tender flare]

https://pokepast.es/4f2438e0078aaa6b

how do i make this less weak to zapdos

[pure sinew]

add any resist

offensive ghold on its own is not winning that

[novel narwhal]

It's pointless to add teratypes as Tera is banned

[tranquil shale]

https://pokepast.es/f45281cff311cefd
First time making a tr team

[pure sinew]

they couldve just copied older sets

[tall tendon]

Pls help I have no idea how to build a mlop team

https://pokepast.es/9ee89a01be44fe07

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

triple fighting and ceru are kinda strange pidks, i think dropping ceru for dragapult, corv for ferro and like encore hamurott over urshifu should work

[solar valley]

reupload

[solar valley]

i made that team when i didnt know that it got banned, i just revised

[vague hemlock]

Just make alo gking

Slowking galar

[vague hemlock]

Just make terapagos the utility set with spin attacks I like it with flame/ep, ice beam,star storm (I think), don’t run got rocks fog lando just make it rocks and 132 speed evs to outspeed raging bolt

Make pult specs

Make alo like a pon or something

[tall tendon]

https://pokepast.es/1a33a4059f2bf042 tried my hand at ho...

[untold onyx]

bump

[tranquil shale]

https://pokepast.es/f45281cff311cefd
Can anyone rate

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

roost > protect on glisc (maybe tox > knock since u have gambit), and cane > slash on moltres, team looks kinda dunky but i cant quite put my finger on what to fix outside of that

[limber crypt]

not the biggest fan of ceru personally, id go sd ival over it but looks fine otherwise

[limber crypt]

cress > glowking, i think lo/glove melm is better than cb on trick room

[solar valley]

bump

[untold onyx]

zardy mu seems like an easy 6-0 now

[limber crypt]

I think ideally u do tusk and pult > gambit and eleki, maybe drop one of ur breakers (dia, terapagos) for molt as well, melm should be pglove with twave

[limber crypt]

i mean it kinda was already, tect glisc was only giving u so many turns vs it

ideal solution is pex > bro is zardy is a concern

though i think that opens the team up to other stuff

[solar valley]

what move should I replace w twave?

[limber crypt]

glove melm is usually bash tpunch ice punch/eq twave

[solar valley]

im sorry but what sets

[limber crypt]

https://pokepast.es/a064a455b4e21086

use the melm set here

[tranquil shale]

ok tq

also btw whats lo

life orb?

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/bb71c08a88767ce3

[vague hemlock]

Just make terapagos the utility set with spin attacks I like it with flame/ep, ice beam,star storm (I think), don’t run got rocks fog lando just make it rocks and 132 speed evs to outspeed raging bolt

Make pult specs

Make alo like a pon or something

This was actually for you mb

[vast tendon]

what should the 3rd attack on pult be?

tbolt?

https://pokepast.es/b200969b34767990 like this?

[vague hemlock]

Flame > thunderbolt

You’re a bit weak to tran so you could even do surf

[limber crypt]

yes lo is life orb

[lethal token]

So i got this tournament with friends i have 3 Types of pokemons to use i got Fire/Bug/Flying my team is pretty bad anyone know some changes or which pokemons should i switch or how to play them diffrent? My team looks like this:
https://pokepast.es/f056693cadc4fa97

[next forge]

!nolegends

[celest merlin]

See rule 6 of #1030567099703242903 message

[tall tendon]

Nah ceru actually kinda wrecks teams aslong as there ain't no lando or priority mon

[limber crypt]

tbf tho lando and gambit are at the top of the tier, and bolt is not far behind, you also dont have any way of removing rocks so sash is p much useless, u can keep it if youd like but i do think val works better with what the the team has

[next forge]

val is deffo better here what does ceru do that volc cant

[limber crypt]

that too

[tall tendon]

Ig val also gets the boost from koko esurge

[next forge]

and it helps u not to get clapped by raging bolt

cuz idk what beats that here aside from ur own bolt

[tall tendon]

How would u beat the bolt with val

Ain't val squishy

[next forge]

u have screens and u nuke it with moonblast

or if ur mixed life orb u just encore lock it into thunderclap and either burn all its pp or just setup with smth ese

[tall tendon]

Wait which val set even idk if we established this this thing has like 6 sets

[next forge]

https://pokepast.es/7364960e6e1fbac1

one of these 2

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[next forge]

.

.

.

forgot abt that

[tall tendon]

good job pal

[ebon hare]

Chat rate this: https://pokepast.es/22db65fcfcb6aab1

[vague hemlock]

Needs a lele/val check you currently get booned by it. You also lose vs opposing weather like rain. Ogerpon also smashes you. Quite a few issues I’m seeing.

Ferro (with spikes) > kart

I think steelium z works better here for exca.

Scarf lele > iron valiant (for consistent speed control out of sand)

I feel alo could be ogerpon feels a bit passive here. The reason I suggest it is so you have a more immediate threat on the team. (Outside of Ttar which is often forced into mind games with pult)

[ebon hare]

So switch all for Pom

Pon

Water or rock ogerpon tho

[vague hemlock]

Water

[ebon hare]

Ok

This better https://pokepast.es/efa13795805e4646

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vague hemlock]

Yeah good job

[lost pewter]

https://pokepast.es/7fed7fad026d012a

[ebon hare]

rate this: https://pokepast.es/22b957474134c647

[limber crypt]

think bolt kinda walks over this, my best suggestion is encore ival > hamurott but im sure u can like drop tran/sciz for ferro as an alternative

[ebon hare]

hm

so should i replace tran with ferro?

[limber crypt]

that is an option but im not the biggest fan of ferro+sciz, hence why i suggested ival instead

[ebon hare]

ok

i did it

so i can keep sciz and tran

[limber crypt]

ye

[vague hemlock]

You also should put speed in lando at least for bolt

132 speed evs dump max out hp run rest into def

Tran should also run 44 speed evs imo for adamant gambit

[ebon hare]

oh ok

new team:https://pokepast.es/f053a77258f57fab

[vague hemlock]

A water resist over scizor would be good since sol mentioned dropping it

[ebon hare]

hmm

[vague hemlock]

A bulky water

I mean

Kyurem is technically a water resist but

[ebon hare]

mola or pex

but the team is too passive ig

[vague hemlock]

Oh ye they suggested ferro

Drop sciz for that

Not a water but it helps vs stuff like pon which Im just remembering is a major threat to your team

Glowking can also be twave its supports sub kyu quite nicely

[ebon hare]

👍

updated team https://pokepast.es/a3b89ad52b21a89d

[vague hemlock]

I liked mixed encore Val better especially here

After that your team will be set

Close combat, moon blast,knock,encore

[ebon hare]

alr

should i switch the evs

for val

[molten ocean]

https://pokepast.es/d63bf1ae5a4680e5 im new to this whole competitive thing and would like optimization tipps for this team 😄

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[molten ocean]

oh wtf it pings the whole server wow

[limber crypt]

Yeah kinda confused with the direction of this team, idk whst u decided to build around so im just gonna try and optimize it as much as i can, i think waterpon > shifu, av iron crown, lando > glisc, cm lele, wisphex pult, and ig ferro > meows should work for this

you can use the sets from the smogdex for those guys

[molten ocean]

i uh wanted to go psychic terrain for iron crown expanding force while also not getting shafted by sucker punch that was my idea. again im not really the best at this ofc as i just wanted to try this comp thing out

but ill try what you said thank you so much

[viscid sable]

this is my current team for nat dex, lmk what you think

[supple wedge]

https://pokepast.es/aad546ab3e1f1736
I know this is a weird team but could someone help optimize it

[viscid sable]

im confused on what the goal is with this team, is it a trick room team or not? indeedee feels so out of place on the team

i mean half the team is fast and the other half is trick room

[supple wedge]

How would I build around mega lopunny?

[viscid sable]

if you want to build around mega lopunny you have 2 options

fully invest into the trick room

or get rid of the trick room

[supple wedge]

Okay what would u recommend if I get rid of trick room

[viscid sable]

i could see mega lopunny as a decent pokemon for when your trick room is down but its also not ideal, i suggest getting rid pf it

[viscid sable]

welll

survivability is the most important thing to team building

[supple wedge]

What’s a good trick room mega?

[viscid sable]

mega slowbro is great

[supple wedge]

Ok and I could replace indeede with haterem

[viscid sable]

mega banette is a good pick too

[feral canopy]

What

[viscid sable]

i would suggest it

[feral canopy]

No

These are absolutely awful options lol

[viscid sable]

??

[feral canopy]

Please do not use either on trick room

MCamel or MMaw are your best bets on trick room

Mega slowbro or mbanette would be a complete waste of a slot

[viscid sable]

oh i forgot those existed

[supple wedge]

Ok I like the sound of mawile

[viscid sable]

but that doesnt make the others bad picks

[feral canopy]

It doesnt

them being awful picks make them awful picks

Lol

[viscid sable]

banette on trick room is useful because its good off trick room aswell

[feral canopy]

It is like

An inch away from dogshit off of trick room

And being on trick room conpletely defeats the point

[viscid sable]

how so

[feral canopy]

of using mega banette in the first place

it is a waste of a slot on trick room

its entire gimmick is priority encore dbond shit lol

[viscid sable]

gimmick

[feral canopy]

Letting it deal with ho somewhat

Which coincidentally

trick room does absolutely amazing into

[viscid sable]

trick room itself is its own gimmick

[feral canopy]

Thank you for supplementing me lol

Your correct

[viscid sable]

banette being a slow but very high attack pokemon makes it amazing on trick room

[feral canopy]

combining two awful gimmicks is not a good idea

[feral canopy]

I think

You overestimate

How strong banette is

in a tier where darks are near mandatory lol.

[viscid sable]

my guy

[feral canopy]

There are two other slow megas that hit infinitely harder than mega banette

[viscid sable]

it has 165 attack

with a 110 base STAB attack

[feral canopy]

Ok

Now calc it into kingambit

[viscid sable]

on a very strong offensive typing

[feral canopy]

Or mega tyranitar

The whole point of trick room

is not wasting turns

and breaking as much as you can while under it

mega banette does not do that

in fact it doesnt break much at all

[supple wedge]

Would kingambit be good on trick room or nah

[feral canopy]

hell calc it into just normal physical walls lol

lando

pex

[feral canopy]

Meh

I feel maw does better Atp

[viscid sable]

“this counter exists so the pokemon sucks now” is a very solid argument you are so right ill never use mega banette again because this pokemon exists

[feral canopy]

But its not an awful picks

[feral canopy]

Thats a good shout

[supple wedge]

I still have 2 empty slots

[feral canopy]

its an awful mon anyways

whats the team rn

[viscid sable]

💀

[feral canopy]

@supple wedge

[supple wedge]

https://pokepast.es/5801c4f6b54a8a5f

[feral canopy]

i think w melm

ur better off with mcamel as a partner

or go w maro a and stick w maw

if u stick w melm go with life orb over band

band is bad now that you cant 2hko the entire meta with ur stab

[viscid sable]

you need an answer to hazards aswell

[feral canopy]

Ummmm

[viscid sable]

nvm

[supple wedge]

Ok I’ll make the adjustments

[viscid sable]

im slow

[feral canopy]

No offense but please do not try and help if you are this unfamiliar with the tier lol

Last 2 mons honestly depend on preferance

U can go with 1 more setter and 1 more breaker

or 2 breakers if ur really feeling it

if u go the setter route use cress

mental herb

[supple wedge]

Ok I’ll probably use cres

[feral canopy]

ur breakers best option is luna

[viscid sable]

wanna battle? i wanna play someone so well versed in the tier

[feral canopy]

No

Im playing brawl stars

[viscid sable]

please take it easy on a mere mortal like myself

[feral canopy]

Can u not be annoying

[viscid sable]

😔🙏

please spare me

[feral canopy]

cress luna is prob ur best bet for ur last 2 @supple wedge

after that shld be fine

cress moveset is like

[viscid sable]

i can understand that, i wouldnt want to fight someone so bad at pokemon

anyways rate my team

[feral canopy]

tr lunar dance ice beam +1

[viscid sable]

its up here

[feral canopy]

hatt moveset is hwish tr myst or gleam and psyshock

if u go the camel route the moveset is sub fire blast ep and either rocks or hp ice/hp grass

awak is sd flare blitz polt and either sub or eq

@supple wedge

[supple wedge]

Ok I went with hatt

[feral canopy]

Ye ok last mon luna

sd fire punch headlong facade

[supple wedge]

That’s a good one I used it in reg h a lot

[lethal token]

Is it good or nah
(I could use only fire/bug/flying)
https://pokepast.es/f056693cadc4fa97

[next forge]

!nolegends

[celest merlin]

See rule 6 of #1030567099703242903 message

[next forge]

u posted this on forums as well just give it a rest 💔

[unkempt sinew]

Why no lando

I'm not an expert or anything but from what I heard no lando = bad team

Especially in Natdex

[lethal token]

Tournament with friends i cant use legends but i cant say it here cuz of !nolegends

[cobalt skiff]

Team, pursuit trapping is fun. Reached 1.4k on the ladder so far with this

Thinking of replacing ghold or something but I can't think of any other ghost to replace it

[unkempt sinew]

Megas?

[plush lintel]

i agree with the part where you say pursuit trapping is fun

[cobalt skiff]

Can someone help me out with the team though

[limber crypt]

So this could work in theory but you would have to have a much more aggresive squad, i think it would be better if you just built hyper offense (ho) to complement what ur suggesting but that would require me to kinda scrap the team

and i also dont think its that ideal givens kingambits prominence even if sucker is neutered

[ornate prawn]

https://pokepast.es/38d4f376419f701e would be happy about a feedback^^

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lethal token]

Sure can be

[molten ocean]

I could look into videos about it and send a new team later then

[unkempt sinew]

Use zard y

[lethal token]

Idk which pokemon should i switch for him

Darmanitan or accelgor?

[jaunty quartz]

https://pokepast.es/10e202849e3eaf1e

This gets 6-0'd by tapu koko. How do I fix that?

[feral drum]

https://pokepast.es/5e46c792ffe31ab7

Trying to figure out how to fix the Gambit issue, I like this a lot so far otherwise.

[next forge]

gets thta arctovish out of here thats why ur losing to koko

just use stealth rock landorus-t instead, also dont use encore on mega diancie u could prob go spikes instead, replace ice beam and scald on alomomola with protect and toxic, use heavy duty boots on zapdos and give it defog

[limber crypt]

cron > orthworm and lando > elki should work for this with hdb defog torn and specs pult

[next forge]

u could prob just go focus blast over recover on ghold

u have melm for checking lele asw

or u can go scarf ghold and defensive lando

to just trick gambit on the switch

[jaunty quartz]

sorry but the team is an arctovish team..

i'm willing to do those other changes, although then i have no z crystal

[limber crypt]

this lacks a ground and arctovish is just not it, i would drop vish for on of lando or ting lu

[next forge]

arctovish sucks dont build around him

too slow outside of snow too slow even in snow

[jaunty quartz]

thats y everything is dedicated to turning things yellow

[limber crypt]

even if rend goes first its not approaching dracovishs power

[next forge]

and thats also why u insta lose to koko

[limber crypt]

theres better mons to abuse para with

[jaunty quartz]

i can drop it. i would probably rather use something a little more zany than lando

[next forge]

ting lu

mayyyybe treads?

or tusk

[jaunty quartz]

what does iron treads do in this tier?

[next forge]

p much same thing as tusk

but beats electrics a bit better

cuz of steel typing

[limber crypt]

Feel like u can drop ghold for zama for the gambit issue, u have melm asur steel already

[feral drum]

My issue was mostly looking for a Valiant check and thus the Ghold slot.

[next forge]

acc what does melm even do here

u coulddrop that maybe

[limber crypt]

actuwlly yeah that works too

ghold does everythingg melm wants to do here

[next forge]

make sure ur zama has sedge tho

cuz ngl u fold vs zardy

[limber crypt]

and zama will come in on gqmbit f ghold dies to it

[vague hemlock]

You shouldn’t really be losing to koko with slowking galar but you def need a ground

[jaunty quartz]

i do need a ground type

[vague hemlock]

Give me a sec

[next forge]

i think the bigger issue is that koko just spams vswitch for free

[vague hemlock]

That’s true ye

[jaunty quartz]

its voltage

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esp specs koko

[jaunty quartz]

voltage slices through glowking

and THEN vswitches forever

[vague hemlock]

Yeah that’s how you lose with no ground the koko goes into a stupid breaker

[tranquil sedge]

https://pokepast.es/0fa518bb4c9a4267

cohesive team

at last

uhhh

idk

terapagos balance i guess

[next forge]

why is ur raging bolt running a doubles set

and why does ur mlop have no normal stab

[tranquil sedge]

thats a vgc set?

what

[tranquil sedge]

got it

[next forge]

aside from the evs ofc

[tranquil sedge]

so what should i do

i still want a pivot bolt

[next forge]

why do u need pivot just go cm zmove

and then run typical defensive lando

cuz u have no hazards

also get rid of calm mind on terapagos u dont rlly need it

ice beam is better

[tranquil sedge]

its a nice pressure tool

i wanna keep it

[next forge]

u pressure out landot and gliscor better

and u can 1v1 dragonite too

[feral drum]

Check Pult.

[tranquil sedge]

which mons get hit by ep again

[next forge]

252 SpA Choice Specs Dragapult Fire Blast vs. 72 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Melmetal: 206-244 (48 - 56.8%) -- 89.1% chance to 2HKO

[tranquil sedge]

also that means i dont got like a fast threat

bolt isnt that fast

[feral drum]

If they're running Fire Blast they miss.

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252 SpA Choice Specs Dragapult Flamethrower vs. 72 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Melmetal: 170-200 (39.6 - 46.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

this is still a lot

if anything u could just go gambit urself

[feral drum]

Tell that to SS players who have been using AV Melm as their Pult check on Offense for a while now.

Also wait.

Wouldn't Flamethrower do more to Gambit than Melm?

[next forge]

ye but at least u can pursuit trap it

[feral drum]

That's still a 50/50 as opposed to just like

Going MDia on it and making more progress.

[next forge]

also gambit gives ur priority

[tranquil sedge]

is the gambit set good

i gotta ask

[feral drum]

Normally I'm fine with that but like most of the faster mons I can think of threatening this team are resisting Sucker.

[tranquil sedge]

or should i get rid of iron head and go all in with sd

[next forge]

ye thats fine

[vague hemlock]

Ok first things first

1. Make mega diancie a great tusk (with rocks). Reason for putting it over lando is because it’s an actual dark resist as well and has better matchup into mega ttar and gambit.

2. Drop artovish for a spikes,knock,leech, power whip ferrothorn. This gives you a sturdy water resistance into stuff like mega swampert and ogerpon.

3. Alomomola feels a bit passive here I think that can just be a ogerpon wellspring a swords dance variant with super power.

4. Make pult specs for immediate damage dealer on your team.

5. Invest more defense into zapdos.

Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
EVs: 248 HP / 240 Def / 20 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Steel
Bold Nature

• Volt Switch
• Hurricane
• Heat wave
• Roost

This should help the koko issue too

[plush lintel]

hello wildfire

[vague hemlock]

Alternatively, if you don’t care for running spikes. You could make tusk 3 attacks( close combat, headlong rush, spinner) + rapid spin and make ferro rocks. Then you could give ogerpon encore or something of that nature. Thats the Pokémon skeleton for your team Id recommend however.

[vague hemlock]

Hello

[plush lintel]

#comp-general ?

[vague hemlock]

Ye

[tranquil sedge]

man i feel like i do better with that riskier team

for some reason

[jaunty quartz]

no mega?!

maybe mega swampert instead of alomomola?

[vague hemlock]

Megas aren’t necessary on every team btw

[jaunty quartz]

what would the ting lu set look like

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/75b3f1b6bcb0a038

wait I dont have a great lop answer

shit

[ornate prawn]

cron?

[limber crypt]

iron crown

specifically assault vest

[ornate prawn]

and if I take iron crown instead of orthworm i use impish lando as rock setter?

[limber crypt]

ye

[verbal storm]

Hi

@limber crypt

https://pokepast.es/398eaf95b0cc34c8 how is this team? My elo is 1240

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lament jetty]

Shadow ball and tbolt isn’t really that great on specs lele, you would probably want hp fire and focus miss instead.

[limber crypt]

should def drop sciz and lando here since they overlap types quite a bit, id recommend hdb 4a zama and zapdos over them, with hdb spin terapagos as well

also the abovr suggestions for lele

[unkempt sinew]

Darmanitan

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/420bc9a0fea8fbc4 how is dis

@limber crypt

[lethal token]

changed accelgor

cuz darmanitan + vivillon combo is crazy af

[hard creek]

neither of those are viable NDOU pokemon

[limber crypt]

looks fine to me, st first it seems slow but medi gambit koko and moth under terrain should be enough

[late musk]

how does this team look https://pokepast.es/0ce7b266be885ea3

what can i fix

[limber crypt]

was this built around mvenu? It looks kinda clunky do im tryna see what the idea was

[late musk]

yeah built around venu

he's pretty insane

[limber crypt]

i think the ideal stuff for venu is smth that can give it more huffer vs rain and have the field cleared of hazards, so i think the ideal moves here are tusk > lando, waterpon > hamurott, wisphex pult, and dropping lele and volc for gambit and zap

im not 100% sure on those changes but im not the most experienced mvenu user

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/55161876a19d1679

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hard creek]

wait i put a 5mon team by accident

https://pokepast.es/70f712b553b854c1

[solar valley]

https://pokepast.es/5b55d1c35b4d4e51
specially defensive melmetal

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

this looks fine, i cant think of anything u cant outplay unless its like koko with ival but thats not unwinnqble

[limber crypt]

cc on mmedi, this needs some speed so i was gonna drop melm but im not sure if thats what u built around, tho i would drop it for specs pult personally

[solar valley]

I built around melmetal as a spdef & def balance

Its 340 spdef with vest

[limber crypt]

probably drop gambit for pult then

p much does the same thing and ur gambit isnt pursuit anyway

[vague hemlock]

That lando wants speed too

[dry rivet]

Pult is worrying

[unkempt sinew]

https://pokepast.es/5b6ed461e7c27081

How can I fix this kommo-o team

Y'all can replace the other mons just don't replace kommo-o

[dusky carbon]

The random evs and ivs adjustment is pissing me off

Is that intentional

[next forge]

KommoO doesn't need to run both Aura Sphere and Drain Punch, just run Boomburst over the latter its way better for stuff like Gliscor or Landorus-T

Kingambit is much better off using Black Glasses or Assault Vest rather than Choice Band that's just a bad idea on such a Sucker Punch Reliant Pokemon

Rillaboom is probably OK but I prob would've gone ogerpon-w for at least pivoting and a way of dealing with heatran better

Don't run defog + stealth Rock on lando-t that's a horrid combo since u get rid of ur own hazards - u can keep defog on landoT and have spikes on ogerpon-W to fix this or you can get rid of defog on landoT and go defog on something else, also use the proper defensive spread not max offenses

Hamurott is fine but u prob want flip turn for scarf, but then again if u go ogerponW u don't wanna stack water types so ur better off having smth else

Mega gardevoir sucks hard you're better off using a different fairy like Tapu koko who goes rlly nicely with ogerpon-W and even landoT to an extent

https://pokepast.es/9dbd9313bef71a05

@unkempt sinew tbf something is prob better than glowking but it's there mostly as a valiant + idef zama check

[unkempt sinew]

Thx gng

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/b3ea2f8a01cc1958 ik sinistcha is kinda bad but I do think balances like these it still has merit

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hard creek]

also I forgot to fix the glis spread :c

wait the team gets goobed by msciz 😭

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/9b97f28002d63564

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[summer beacon]

https://pokepast.es/bed6f1300b445c1d

id say this is much better than my old teams

[limber crypt]

rocks on pagos aand fog on lando, im bot a huge fan of this structure personally but i think most of this team works very cohesively so i dont think you need to change anything outside of sets

[limber crypt]

im ngl i think you should take a look at some teams in the bazaar, shark vespiquen and ahed are p much unviable and pult/ace have strange sets, bazaar teams should help you understand the meta and building more

[vague hemlock]

I think rocks tran works better over melm here

You kinda need a fire resist and mola isn’t really a good one cause you kinda auto lose to every volcarona set for example

Rocks with toxic

[summer beacon]

hazards are prety much the death of this team but otherwise it has been working pretty well

[hollow basalt]

melm is the main gimmick of the team ngl
whole thing is just "keep melm alive at all costs" and i've had decent success with it

I swapped the sets round like solaros said and i'll probably test tran though

[vague hemlock]

Alright

[ebon hare]

maybe replace sinis with moltres or something

so u don't get fried by sciz and it also threatens a lot of hazard removers

or u could use ferro

[lethal token]

https://pokepast.es/dcd46e1393312d6e

[lethal token]

anyone know what could i change to make it better?

[lament jetty]

Use actually viable pokemon

Like why are you using all of these unviable mons

I don’t see any reasons

[ebon hare]

@hard creek i made some changes to the team is there anything bad? https://pokepast.es/521cae8f439e4d3b

[hard creek]

the point of the team was sinis

[ebon hare]

yea but its horrible

tbh

um

yea

ou

[feral canopy]

please do not try to help if you dont know what you are talking about

it will only cause more harm than good

ill look at this in a minute, getting some food

[ebon hare]

??

bro wut

what did i do wrong

[short abyss]

It was me not you chill

[ebon hare]

oh

but yea can someone rate the team

[short abyss]

First thing I can see, but take what I say with a grain of salt because I could very well be wrong is that your team is pretty weak to fire but I don’t necessarily know how to counter that

[hard creek]

wait u rate teams?

[short abyss]

Anyone can All you have to do is look at the team with the link and then rate it here

[hard creek]

ik but

if u dont know the tier then u shoukdnt rate fot it

[short abyss]

Are you talking about my recent blunder?

[hard creek]

i mean heatran is actually not amazing to switch into here idt

wait no I have a gliscor

[short abyss]

Wait what team are we talking here?-

[hard creek]

my team

https://pokepast.es/35272f523fe5bb23

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock, @lean trench. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[short abyss]

Ah I see

[short abyss]

Are you planning on using Terapagos as your damage dealer?

[hard creek]

pagos is for pult + spin

• special attacker

[feral canopy]

is there any specific reason for cha on hstack

like

why hstack specifically

and im ngl with gambit in the tier

idk how cha wld function lol

the mon is on every team and cha can literally not touch it

cant rlly break through it either

i assume its for spinblock tusk but like meh

[short abyss]

I personally do not know if you need spin considering you have so many Pokémon with heavy duty boots but if that’s how you want to play I won’t stop you imo 8/10

[hard creek]

The reason cha is ehre is bc it checks a lot of important stuff on balance, tusk AND treads cant spin vs it, spreads burns

[feral canopy]

ye but

whats the point of checking so much

if the moment u switch into check them

gambit comes in and removes u