NatDex OU Rates

[nocturne willow]

But you refuse to address them so there’s no point for you to be in this channel

[native spruce]

you all have stated that I need weavile for gking and blissey, someone stated that this team is very weak to scarf lando so that is why zapdos and slowbro are on this team, and having iron treads as a spinner and ground type that also benefits from electric terrarin has already been addressed

[nocturne willow]

Yet you still keep mega manectric on this team

Even though it’s been stated multiple times it’s not good on this kind of team

And sure, that’s your gimmick, whatever

[native spruce]

was also told I needed a fire and water resist which is my boy sowbro

[nocturne willow]

We don’t rate around those

[native spruce]

I just dont get it. you guys rate the same boring old teams over and over to the point where they are basically just sample teams. the fun is gimmick teams, those are really the only teams that need rates because they arent already sampled

[karmic shale]

#1030567099703242903 message

please refer to rule 4 before continuing to annoy the raters

if you aren't willing to optimize then find someone else to help with your for-fun team

[native spruce]

im not willing to optimize again apparently

wild

[karmic shale]

you very clearly arent if you're blatantly ignoring the raters suggestions

if optimizing means getting rid of a shitmon and you refuse to budge, then yes, you're not willing to optimize.

[native spruce]

ill optimize anything that doesnt require getting rid of mmane

which is why im asking

is the team fine?

[karmic shale]

"I'll optimize everything except ___" is not optimization and if you're not going to comply with the raters requests you're going to have to find someone else to bother with this

[torpid bison]

Could I get some advice on this OU team? I peaked around 1300. I changed EQ to HHP because Grassy Terrain. Also thinking about subbing Dengo completely? I struggle with stall, steel, and grass types

If I'm allowed to post paste I'll do that instead so you don't need to zoom in

[nocturne willow]

yeah we actually prefer paste lol

[torpid bison]

Okay, just wasn't sure about link sharing

[nocturne willow]

(btw this is natdex ou channel, but this team is sv ou i assume)

since yknow you have a ghold

[torpid bison]

Ah, yes, myn

Apologies

[nocturne willow]

no worries

[torpid bison]

I'm also a DBZ fan (I can't read)

Shall I post in that channel?

[nocturne willow]

yes

[torpid bison]

It won't allow me to post in that channel?

[nocturne willow]

huh

that's weird

post it in comp gen

[rigid torrent]

@native spruce

Hmu in dms

I'll help u

Tommorow tho

[native spruce]

bet

[sinful orbit]

https://pokepast.es/2dfd17798a8f556f

peaked 1400 elo with this team but having 2 rock setters is bad

lando suicide lead

[next forge]

Not gonna lie I wouldn't run Tapu Bulu because you need strong Earthquakes from ZardX to actually handle Heatran and Toxapex. I'd rather use Kartana who's faster and stronger, or use Ogerpon-W that is also stronger and faster.

Chansey doesn't fit on HO teams at all (since you're using lead Landorus-T it's a HO teams by default) because it's too passive, so you're better off using a completely different pokemon. Rotom-W and Celesteela also fit this role

To use lead Landorus-T u basically have to use a HO team since that's what it's built for, so you're gonna have to change the team entirely. Defensive Landorus-T would be significantly better for this team specifically since at least it's got an item and can pivot better than using Explosion. Also why does your Landorus-T not have Taunt

(HO is hyper offense btw)

[sinful orbit]

noted thanks

[sinful orbit]

i tried to give my lando T taunt but it says it's illegal

[feral canopy]

this is a smou team

you are in the natdex ou section

[sinful orbit]

yh

[feral canopy]

ill let you take some time to find the issue in that

for reference smou is gen 7

[sinful orbit]

alr

[feral canopy]

Lmk when you get it

[sinful orbit]

k

does it have smth to do with the SS gen?

[hardy flint]

.. r u purposely being rude or do u know them

[feral canopy]

I am just a fan of encouraging people to find out simple problems by themselves

especially ones as self explanatory as this

[hardy flint]

being rude doesn’t help adem

[feral canopy]

?

Not being rude

[hardy flint]

it’s pretty rude

think u can ask anyone

[feral canopy]

Are you going to help them orrrrr, are you just here to argue with me

?

[hardy flint]

okay let’s see

also not like you being a dick is helping either LMFAO

[brittle seal]

we don't need to do this here

[hardy flint]

but anyways

[hardy flint]

this team has no synergy and again, also an smou team

i’d recommend using a sample team for ndou to start off with and get a better feel

[sinful orbit]

i changed the tea m around a bit

[hardy flint]

link again?

[sinful orbit]

https://pokepast.es/d52a4d469d84be07

[feral canopy]

your team is in smou, which is gen 7

natdex ou is in either gen 8 or 9

[hardy flint]

this again^

click erm

national dex gen 9 in the team builder

[sinful orbit]

ok

[feral canopy]

If you want to build in natdex click on the tab that says gen 9 national dex ou

or 8

[hardy flint]

or if ur tryna play gen7ou

we have an oldgen ..rmt?

idk :p

[sinful orbit]

i'm familiar with gens 7 and below

not the newer gens xd

[hardy flint]

ooo okay

[sinful orbit]

i was using sash lando bc it deals with gren leads pretty well unless it's scarf which who in the right mind runs scarf gren

[hardy flint]

no one runs gren in nd anymore

it’s not very good

:p

[sinful orbit]

tru

[pliant bay]

https://pokepast.es/00eae444f3c8e8d1 is there an alternative for iron crown here

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pliant bay]

i cant bring it out against archaludon cus of body slam so my team just gets walled

[vague hemlock]

Ok lots of issues here

First I would fix the koko set to be hp ice,thunderbolt,Uturn,roost

Specs Val should run moonblast,thunderbolt,focus blast, shadowball/trick but I would run Tera ghost shadow ball here.

Lando should be tera dragon/water 132 speed evs for bolt max hp dump rest into defense.

Fix ogerpon wellspring set and change to swords dance, cudgel,super power and whip

[pliant bay]

ok

[pliant bay]

like hp instead of spatk righ

[next forge]

no

[vague hemlock]

Tapu Koko @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Electric
Timid Nature

• Thunderbolt
• U-turn
• Hidden Power Ice
• Roost

This

This needs a another real fire resist drop ace for rocks tran

And make lamdo Defog with same evs i told you

[pliant bay]

oh by hp u meant hidden power ice

mb

[vague hemlock]

Ye

[pliant bay]

wouldnt grass knot just be better than hp ice tho

counters swampert and great tusk

[vague hemlock]

no

You snipe stuff like lando and still hit other grounds like glisc and the less common tusk

Knot doesn’t really hit anything even specs sets don’t really run it

[pliant bay]

what kit for heatran

just use one from smogon?

[vague hemlock]

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 212 SpD / 40 Spe
Tera Type: Grass
Calm Nature

• Magma Storm
• Earth Power
• Taunt
• Stealth Rock

Yes

Balloon is good in these types of teams as well allows you to get up rocks on grounds like glisc and some lando. You even can come in on a mega charizard Y and get rocks up in its face.

[pliant bay]

i dont even land heat wave how am i gonna land fblast bro

[pliant bay]

balloon instead of lefties then?

https://pokepast.es/d269f93c97fdcae5

[vague hemlock]

252 SpA Choice Specs Iron Valiant Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 254-302 (65.8 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Choice Specs Iron Valiant Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 384-452 (99.4 - 117%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

Js bro

[vague hemlock]

Ye you can

[pliant bay]

thats if fb lands

my luck is horrible bro

ive missed Pyro ball and heat wave so many fucking times

but i trust u gang🙏

[summer bobcat]

Never run focus blast

[pliant bay]

@vague hemlock

❤️

3 fucking misses in 1 match

lovely

see bro this is why i dont like confessing to girls

i always miss my shot

[next forge]

???????????????????

[pliant bay]

im joking

but

this is why i didnt wanna use focus blast

i landed 1/4 focus blasts

[azure dock]

https://pokepast.es/ff297a1714aceb32 can someone help me finish this team?

[summer bobcat]

Throw in heatran with toxic protect and lefties

[merry delta]

Toxtect tran isn’t really good imo the other options are more valuable

[summer bobcat]

thats probably true

i just said toxic because it syngergizes with protect and magma storm

ultimate filth and can even break chansey on stall randomly

[nocturne willow]

heatran doesn't break unless you're running taunt as well and then you're running only magma storm

[summer beacon]

Arcanine-Hisui @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Rock Head
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Reversal
• Head Smash
• Endure
• Flare Blitz

Toxtricity @ Throat Spray
Ability: Punk Rock
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Boomburst
• Charge Beam
• Overdrive
• Shift Gear

Salamence @ Wide Lens
Ability: Moxie
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Iron Tail
• Dragon Rush
• Aerial Ace
• Roost

Altaria @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Natural Cure
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Defog
• Heal Bell
• Moonblast
• Dragon Pulse

Cinccino @ Metronome
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

• Fake Tears
• Tail Slap
• Laser Focus
• Echoed Voice

Drifblim @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Aftermath
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Magic Coat
• Strength Sap
• Toxic
• Curse

Much batter than my other team id say

*better

[nocturne willow]

Ok so not a single one of these mons are in OU

[summer beacon]

o ma fault

[nocturne willow]

And while you can run some UUBL/UU mons in NDOU, none of these really have a niche in NDOU

unfortunately this team is not viable in NDOU, and would be much better suited for a lower tier like NDUU or RU

[next forge]

!pokepaste

[celest merlin]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.
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You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.
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[merry delta]

Yeah pokepaste would be more acceptable in the future, especially since I have trouble seeing things like that

[azure dock]

Anything else?

[silent minnow]

https://pokepast.es/47d0a713d11aa265

NatDex OU (I think)

Rate my team please and tell me if there's anything I should change or add.

[rigid torrent]

Looks good to me

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/ea93be6955ecfdde

[hard creek]

@pale spear am I fine into Weav Xard Gren

[vague hemlock]

I don’t like the psy terrain lele interaction

Psy terrain blocks priority meaning it stops your fake out on grounded targets

Must bring to your attention rotom is not very good overall its serviceable but its not gonna be consistent

So running it as your sole water resistance leaves you incredibly vulnerable to things like mega pert rain and urshifu

Lando should be running more speed and Tera types are questionable heatran should be running grass and slowking should be running dragon for example

[nocturne willow]

-comes into competitive server
-complains when people want to use competitive teams

[merry delta]

Do you not know that competitive players also have fun… playing competitively? These teams are not “boring” either in the general sense because that’s subjective and you can’t refer to teams as such so generally.

[nocturne willow]

If you’re here to argue in bad faith this isn’t the server for you

[merry delta]

That’s not how it works unfortunately

[next forge]

[lament jetty]

Rip

[iron tangle]

https://pokepast.es/df687905e09d8f9a

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[iron tangle]

Any criticism, improvements?

[next forge]

id just replace scizor with corviknight since having bullet punch with tapu lele is kinda anti-synergy while corviknight still checks opposing tapu lele, it also has pivoting to get lele and wogerpon in easier, and has tera dragon to handle mega charizard Y better if needed, also covert cloak to stop garganacl from being annoying

cuz corv has defog u dont need defog scarf lando u can just go explosion to obliterate something like wogerpon
https://pokepast.es/6033dae99bc5c587

[dusky carbon]

Cloak corv is the worst garg check oat

[next forge]

this team gets destroyed by garg anyways without it

also i said to stop it from being annoying (aka with salt cure)

[iron tangle]

I’ll adjust a few things to avoid that then

[iron tangle]

https://pokepast.es/0e017a8ed18f2a68

https://pokepast.es/5e5b3185f32ff2a7

I’ve got two reworked versions, which seems better?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/0f089db2a169dad2

[native spruce]

https://pokepast.es/a1e8cd6bda41e162

[vague hemlock]

If you are gonna run something like lokix I encourage you to have good removal, secondly this is incredibly weak to stuff like kyurem and weavile. More so weavile as it completely stomps everything on this team and tran isn’t it checking it either since it’s specially invested. Also this team is very weak to raging bolt. Common answers to it is slowking galar,ting lu, ferrothorn,lando

Also av rilla is not good in singles

[native spruce]

so what youre saying is I should get iron treads or great tusk bc those help with raging bolt and weavile?

and removal

[vague hemlock]

Make chomp lando with earth power , taunt, uturn, defog with helmet max speed

Make slowbro slowking galar

[native spruce]

arent I still weak to weavile? do I make heatran defensively invested?

[vague hemlock]

Make Tran rocks

Hold on not done

[native spruce]

ok lol

[vague hemlock]

Make rilla band

Scarf urshifu > lokix as much as you might like lokix is kinda hard to fit here

Helps weavile issues asw

[native spruce]

@vague hemlock could I run moltress? because moltress always swaps in on weavile and moltress can run defog?

nvm moltress takes way too much damage

[lament jetty]

moltres has a very very high chance to proc flame body just by switching into weavile

[feral canopy]

Its 30% unless axel

and if u swap into knock (weaviles most spammable move)

Now u dont swap into anything

[iron tangle]

https://pokepast.es/5e5b3185f32ff2a7

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[iron tangle]

https://pokepast.es/0e017a8ed18f2a68

two variants, which is better and how can I improve?

[iron tangle]

After some testing, I’ve found I have bad matchups into Rain, Lando T, and Mega Lop

[iron tangle]

I haven’t tested this one as much yet, but I’m gonna assume they have the same issues

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/7eb5e804e2a55c91

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/29cc7ae86f7e93ae is this too passive

[native spruce]

https://pokepast.es/2be7528d574cf995

this might be cooking chat

hear me out. we got the lokix revenge killer/ wall breaker/ knock offer.

the mega scizor is for weavile issues bc rillaboom, glowkikg, bolt, and lokix all hate weavile.

the zapdos is for defog and for the flying type. its also a volt switcher that can help bring lokix in.

raging bolt is for the water/fire/grass resist. I realized that I was having pretty bad issues with sun, specifically mega charizard y

glowking is another pivot that can bring in lokix while also being a special wall.

the grassy terrain also gives the extra passive healing and weaker ground moves which helps out bolt and glowking

[next forge]

Surely this almost insta loses to heatran

Idt u really need mega scizor

Or zapdos

U can probably merge them into one slot as corv (lele answer + fogger)

And then for the last slot u can have ur own heatran

Or a bulky water like pex or mola

[native spruce]

last slot I could run mega gyarados no?

[next forge]

Why

[native spruce]

only takes like 20% from magma storm

[next forge]

That's too much of a hard check u dont need all that

Also mgyara doesn't really synergise with this team

Especially since its not HO

[native spruce]

mega slowbro might be cooking

[next forge]

(And cuz stall sucks which is like the main reason ud use mega gyara as a stallbreaker cuz outside of that it's mostly outclassed by urshifu and even hamurott to an extent)

[next forge]

[native spruce]

tbh I only play mat dex bc of megas so I kinda have to have one on my team

im honestly feeling mega rayquaza bc nothing in ou can really do anything

[next forge]

Loads of good teams don't have megas

They're not mandatory

They're good but not essential

[native spruce]

true beans

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[next forge]

That first team look kinda familiar

[merry delta]

Can u not try to get stolen teams rated

At least try and get your own work rated…

[silent minnow]

https://pokepast.es/6d498a5194569f54
National Dex.

Any thoughts? I think I want to deal with Clodsire better and stall teams like Gliscor + Clodsire. And maybe get a reliable defogger instead of Glimmora. Or do you think that this team works well?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[iron tangle]

https://pokepast.es/677e7aeb228860f7

been testing some mega scizor teams recently, trying this out now

Most likely Garganacl weak though

[vague hemlock]

Feels a bit slow I suggest changing this to volt turn.

1. Give scizor turn > cc

2. Make zapdos boots/Z koko with hp ice.

3. Make lando toxic Defog.

4. Make alomomola dragonite (helps vs rain) and also fits the nature of your team better since alo is extremely passive.

[iron tangle]

Ty

What’s the Garg counter then?

[summer bobcat]

Garg isn't that big of a concern I feel like

Not super common

[iron tangle]

I see

Last time I sent a team in they said I was garg weak

[iron tangle]

BP U-turn? That enough?

[iron tangle]

My zapdos is HDB HP ice btw

[vague hemlock]

I still would make it koko needs the speed

[iron tangle]

Aight

[vague hemlock]

Bp Uturn ye

[iron tangle]

How does Dnite fix my rain matchup?

[vague hemlock]

Resist water and you get opportunities to set up if played right

[iron tangle]

Defensive or scarf Lando?

[vague hemlock]

Defensive

132 speed evs to outspeed bolt run Defog toxic eq and turn

Tera dragon should do

[iron tangle]

Nature and remaining EVs?

Also Dnite set

[vague hemlock]

Bold nature max out hp dump remaining in def

You can run tera steel dd or tera normal espeed

[iron tangle]

-ATK? Really?

[vague hemlock]

I think tera normal speed is better

[iron tangle]

For Lando

Why not -SPATK

[vague hemlock]

Not minus attack that’s + def -spa

Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 132 Spe
Impish Nature

• Earthquake
• U-turn
• Toxic
• Defog

[iron tangle]

Bold says +DEF -ATK on my side

[vague hemlock]

Impish

My b

I’m sleeping on the job

[iron tangle]

Ekiller for Dnite

[vague hemlock]

Yes

[iron tangle]

Z Koko

[vague hemlock]

Yessir

[iron tangle]

What weaknesses does this have

Any adjustments in Scizor set and EVs?

[vague hemlock]

Only really play to found out but every team has a vulnerability

In existence

[iron tangle]

https://pokepast.es/12a1020d1c06e079

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vague hemlock]

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 112 Def / 128 SpD / 20 Spe
Tera Type: Bug
Impish Nature

• Swords Dance
• Bullet Punch
• U-turn
• Roost

[iron tangle]

Feels a bit ice weak

[vague hemlock]

There is a tran and sciz there fam

Both resist ice

[iron tangle]

True

Seems good

I’ll test later

[vague hemlock]

Np gl man

[iron tangle]

Ty

Been trying to get a RMT for days now lmao

[fleet jackal]

can anyone rate my team
https://pokepast.es/aacdebd51f8f3bea

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fleet jackal]

ping me bc i wont see

[vague hemlock]

Ok so I think you need to decide what Mon you want to build around. I’m not seeing much synergy here. To further support my point ceruledge is not splashable at all it’s only really on specific hyper offense teams. Rotom also fairly niche now (it’s C rank) only being in certain types of volt turn teams. It’s a kind of hit or miss Mon based on what your opponent brings. Thirdly, this is also pretty slow which leaves you vulnerable to stuff like terrain offense with mons like iron valiant and hawlucha which kinda just outspeeds and threatens your whole team.

[fleet jackal]

i was thinking of switching volt switch with something else and go with a choice rotom but idk and this team is really just made to resist against multiple types at once

I wanted to switch ferrothorn with something else like tera fight mimikyu or keldeo aswell but its no good against mega Charizard

[vague hemlock]

Personally i would suggest samples as there is several changes that would have to be made to make this a bit more serviceable. (In other words it wouldn’t be a rework more so a building session hence not your team). But if you do want to try a volt turn core I highly recommend mega scizor koko

[meager sky]

i made a weird team with pokemon i got off a personality quiz thing
https://pokepast.es/3a88ea67fc024704

it had to be natdex ou because tapu bulu is there and rillaboom is the only ou one lmao

i didn't put a lot of thought into it tbh i just kinda did whatever i thought was neat

[feral timber]

There is way too much type overlap here. I don't think it can be saved but the best it can do is swap out most of these mons. Apart from those issues, the sets used are pretty wack and should be swapped out for standard smogon ones, there's no speed control (apart from tealpon but that requires tera) and it gets cooked by most teams with a fire type

[vague hemlock]

^ agree

I’d run samples

[meager sky]

the problem is the mons yes because i am using what i was given, this is not a serious team

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/5dec68b5915ef304

[feral timber]

https://pokepast.es/94a72b068e8e69cf built some specs moth rmt

[azure dock]

https://pokepast.es/df122d7d15c1ba7b can anyone help me i wanna replace blaziken but idk with who

[vague hemlock]

We only rate serious teams so please refrain from posting this type of thing again.

As for the other teams

[azure dock]

i like to think my teams are serious

[vague hemlock]

I will rate them soon

[azure dock]

k

[vague hemlock]

If someone else don’t get it

[vague hemlock]

This seems really solid ngl but I would run more speed in lando at least enough to outspeed bolt (132 speed evs impish nature) max out hp and dump test into defense

Focus blast > hp fire on lele

Specs moth makes a bit more sense on teams with koko, to gain the benefit of eterrain. As it stands this team gets stomped by stuff like ogerpon wellspring. Also stuff like dnite have a field day.

[vague hemlock]

The second one is for you

I would suggest starting with a koko-moth core if you want to build moth

[next forge]

also why overheat just use fiery dance

[vague hemlock]

Bit busy I’ll get to yours when I can

[vague hemlock]

One more thing make lando Defog toxic you don’t need double rocks

[next forge]

u mean make it taunt

it alr has defog

[vague hemlock]

Yea

Pre occupied

[vague hemlock]

This actually was for @manic helm

Who has Defog rocks lando

[next forge]

ohh

mbad

[vague hemlock]

Gonna be honest

This isn’t v good

Two unranked Mons in blaziken and greninja

Then a Mon that usually wants para support in mega mawile

Also Tera types are weird here

I highly recommend running samples

[azure dock]

i didnt really do antyhing with tera typed yet

i already asked helped to replace blaziken

[vague hemlock]

This isn’t really salvageable

Too many changes have to be made to make this serviceable

Here is an example of a grassy terrain offense I built some time ago

https://pokepast.es/c9b1e6a1a7ae8795

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/3f02c18ba4477729 where do I fit a steel?

[random moth]

https://pokepast.es/f10529c2c5fb7a57 need some advice on if I’m missing coverage for anything or if my team is lacking anything/severely weak to anything? I’m not sure whether to keep sash lando or go scarf lando for suicide lead, I also don’t know whether I should change the Tera types for kommo-o or lando, any advice would be much appreciated

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[random moth]

I wonder if maybe samurott-h would fit better than someone on that team

I’m not too sure

[rigid torrent]

Doesn't hawlucha 6-0

If it breaks sash on that one mon

Depends if it's faster than the speed booster energy thing I'm not sure I don't play too much gen 9

[random moth]

Not too sure, haven’t encountered any Luchas and I’d have to run calcs

[pale spear]

Over clefable

Run ferrothorn or heatran

Tran shld be flame body

[hard creek]

mlop becomes weird + then I need to fit wish on chans bc wish is amazing on sd xard balances but I also want aroma as to make xard go crazy vs the stuff its supposed to

I have a 2nd rendition of the team anyway

https://pokepast.es/948b3e6706df7873

tho I lack an actual steel again ;-;

[merry delta]

U have pex

Mlop is fine

[pale spear]

No it doesnt

Wish is good but not worth comprimising ur defensive core for

[hard creek]

its good to have with this xard set but like

ig its not mandatory

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/c424a0c31a6fda63
thoughts?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plush lintel]

seems like the average sm ou team icl

[rigid torrent]

Iron defence corv 6-0

Idk I just don't like this team

Dragapult clicks for free

Well not like

Everything can hit it

But you don't really have swap ins

[next forge]

Yes because dragapult is in ndou

[feral canopy]

Thx chrispbacon

[feral canopy]

if u do not play the tier

[pale spear]

stop talking to me

i dont respect u

[feral canopy]

please dk not say anything

[feral canopy]

???

So random

Wtfrog

[next forge]

[pale spear]

focus more on saving ur team

instead of larping

[feral canopy]

i am

.

Ok

Thx chris.

[pale spear]

no problem.

wishing you enough luck

[rigid torrent]

well i mean im 1600

but

minimal knowledge

[feral canopy]

Im sure u would have seen

at least 1 dragapult

right

if ur at 1600

surely at least 1

[rigid torrent]

im a gen 7 main but ive played gen 9 ou aswell

so you could see where i get mixed up

[feral canopy]

have u seen a dragapult

[rigid torrent]

in ou yeah

[feral canopy]

this is not ou

[rigid torrent]

natdex now u pointed it out

no

[feral canopy]

this is natdex

yeah

[next forge]

ITS BANNNED

[rigid torrent]

can u sub to my youtube!

[next forge]

no

[rigid torrent]

[plush lintel]

ok but like

anyone have genuine feedback?

[hard creek]

how is this helpful 😭

[dense zinc]

https://pokepast.es/31d0eab5527ffac0

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense zinc]

does this work for mawile

😁

(i haven't played in ages)

[plush lintel]

its not helpful at all, just something i spotted lol

[dense stratus]

https://pokepast.es/e6b29dd2fba78cf2
Bad team I am using please help

[final stratus]

https://pokepast.es/c6c6a5771a9b5a78 would u guys change anything?

[summer bobcat]

Replace defog with weather ball on zapdos. Replace ursuluna with banded barraskewda

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/c424a0c31a6fda63

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/ef421ecc55c8d413 @pale spear marnie helped me with this with some SM ideas but uh

[native spruce]

So I have been using lokix for a while now and realize that he is actually a pretty big threat to a lot of teams, the fact that he has a strong priority move with tinted lens or just clicking u turn hits literally everything like a truck so I decided to build around him.

I found this team to honestly be pretty solid with diancie and moltress as hazard preventers because lokix does not like hazards, so having defog and magic bounce helps a lot. moltress also accounts for diancies biggest weakness which is anything steel related

alo is useful as a fire resist and just a bulky water in general, being able to wish pass onto rilla to keep him healthy is also very useful. also getting rid of the weavile weakness.

everybody besides diancie has a pivot move making lokix very easy to get in

if yall could point out any weaknesses or make any changes that would be ideal, because im also pretty unsure about the sets and if they are optimal

https://pokepast.es/201dac6ad3699867

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/f1477d86e04bbcf7 does this get shat on by melm @neon olive

[plush lintel]

melmetal isnt in ndou?

oh this is gen 8 nd

will this come here cuz i wanted to get a team rated too

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/a3c38a7998f385ab

[mighty peak]

https://pokepast.es/df16a5a82d8aa4e7

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mighty peak]

Rain team!

[sand mortar]

needs a lot of changes

make barraswekda band

drop golisopod and kartana

run archaludon

and in the last slot run either torn or iron treads

if you're going with treads then run 4a pert

if its tor then switch ice punch on pert for flip turn

and make pert jolly

make bolt tera fairy

or flying

[plush lintel]

istg i faced someone with this team

iirc

they lost horribly

maybe it was this gen or prev gen, but they had golisopod iirc

[mighty peak]

Yep, not sure why I have golisopod, and where it came from

I might keep kartana because it's kartana but then again, I have no Id ea what tor is

torterra?

[mighty peak]

I'll go treadss, btw, what is 4a?

https://pokepast.es/354e69ac62608bf9

: D

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lament jetty]

4a = 4 attacks

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/0b855bc21c708090

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand mortar]

4 attacks

make treads max special attack with rocks spin epower and volt switch

and then make rocks on swampert as flip turn

make archludon the av set

and change the teras

[plush lintel]

av arch, change tera on arch peli bolt and treads and u dont need rocks on pert. could go hurricane on peli but thats ur choice, could also go jolly pert and barraskewda

[mighty peak]

done! https://pokepast.es/367b89938d539126

[vital galleon]

https://pokepast.es/d6c9b3dc8cb42c7c

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[next forge]

Just use kyurem over mamoswine and run lando-t over tornadus

Idek why ur using mamo esp without thick fat or boots

[merry delta]

Why do u need boots lol

[summer beacon]

https://pokepast.es/b37a5f5ba1ff73d0
im back lol

this i did better with this one

[weary brook]

https://pokepast.es/6b63f900d73096d5

can this team work with offensive dragon dance necrozma

[merry delta]

We don’t rate ndubers teams here, try https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1060037469472555028

[summer bobcat]

Mamo rly has no niche in current ou but wasn't it's former niche was that it was an ice type neutral to rocks and thus didn't need bootas?

[merry delta]

Yeah it doesn’t need boots

[feral canopy]

this is literally my sample but with unec changed out for ndm

if u want to use ndm make it dd solg z, if not use unec

[weary brook]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-ubers-sample-teams-updated-17-08.3752303/)

this is u?

got that sample from there

[feral canopy]

Yes

We dont rate samples

they are good as they are

[weary brook]

oh cool yeah i just wanted to know if i can swap out the necrozma build for another build

[feral canopy]

use dd z if u want to use it

wp is balls

[weary brook]

ok ty ill try that out

[dense stratus]

https://pokepast.es/2b6fb63b83292761
So like I can't win against raging bolt without sacrificing anything, the only way I can reasonably take it out is with draco Meteor on Archaludon and it's only 70%ish after a calm mind, what should I do?

There's also play rough I guess but, it's not much better at switching in on it

[next forge]

https://tenor.com/view/swampert-pokemon-gif-20060202

Over corv

If u want hazards removal that badly then

https://tenor.com/view/iron-treads-pokémon-scarlet-and-violet-indigo-disk-blueberry-academy-gif-8561717663668617949

[dense stratus]

Not really a fan of threads nor mega swampert, threads, to me felt too passive and havaving am other grass weaknesses is definitely a problem

[next forge]

u have archaludon and zapdos

and ur a rain team

grass types outside of ferro arent major concerns for rain anyways

they get overwhelmed too quickly

[dense stratus]

Also swampert has no hazard removal

[next forge]

u can always go raging bolt urself

so u dont need removal as much

[plush lintel]

go raging bolt for zapdos and m-swamp for corv

[dense stratus]

Dear people, I hereby present sticky webs

Exanple with Max speed swampert is like 240 so 160 with webs, with rain it gets to 320, which isn't terrible but it's not that bulky

[next forge]

no

webs is too cheesy

who do you even lead with

[north inlet]

Deoxys-Speed @ White Herb
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Taunt
• Psycho Boost
• Stealth Rock
• Light Screen

Marshadow @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Shadow Sneak
• Spectral Thief
• Force Palm
• Rock Tomb

Kyurem-Black @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Teravolt
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Icicle Spear
• Fusion Bolt
• Dragon Dance
• Roost

Omastar @ White Herb
Ability: Weak Armor
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shell Smash
• Surf
• Substitute
• Ancient Power

Sneasler @ White Herb
Ability: Unburden
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Night Slash
• Dire Claw
• Close Combat
• U-turn

Blaziken-Mega @ Blazikenite
Ability: Speed Boost
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Protect
• Brave Bird
• Bulk Up
• Low Kick

How good is this?

[summer bobcat]

If you don't like treads or swampert then quite simply don't run a rain team

swampert is mandatory and threads is highly recommended for rain

[summer bobcat]

1. You should be useing pokepaste to send teams
2. This is for rating natdex ou teams, but you have 3 Pokémon on here tiered ubers
3. This team is. . not very viable in any tier, or at least some of the picks aren't. Omaststar is definitely dog shit and some of the other members are outclassed by other Pokémon that can do similar things

!pokepaste

[celest merlin]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1293307969475182683/pokepasteps2.png?ex=6706e668&is=670594e8&hm=473ea55bba62b4466d005e1287190cb7b945f46400f85c5bea25356aef3b7f56&

You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1293307969697484810/pokepastelink2.png?ex=6706e668&is=670594e8&hm=b94173a7798965a22200f5cefb03250873dfdf8853d27c59aaed30e498c3f8ed&

[summer beacon]

https://pokepast.es/f1d1d67833781fc5
this team has been working

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vague hemlock]

Only 2/6 mons are ranked here in natdex ou (cinderace and gliscor) and both of their sets are weird. Highly suggest running samples here.

[feral timber]

https://pokepast.es/22f4a17a8fe9b713 specs lati rmt

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[next forge]

If ur gonna use specs latios ur better off going offense rather than balance

Stacking 3 psychic types is deffo not a good idea

This team gets destroyed by hamurott ngl

also wtf do u do against mega sableye

Lati + scarf shifu + mzor

Is a good core to start with methinks

Also a bit nitpick but id go trick rather than flip

Helps a ton vs fat mons like crown glowking and shits on stall

https://pokepast.es/d638fc39815f8d5d

@feral timber try this out maybe

[feral timber]

ty homie

[next forge]

Volt tackle koko

[dense stratus]

Uhh clearly missing the normal gem explosion on the therian landorus 👉👈

[feral timber]

i still lost to seth

[stuck berry]

https://pokepast.es/31094d434e851e22

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt skiff]

I've been playing stall a lot, and I put together this team, the only pokemons that do damage to my team are vivillon and buzzwhole, but buzzwhole isn't adding anything to my team, and I'm having problems with 2 pokemons, garganacl, sableye and serperior, because I fall a lot against these Pokémon, could you give me a tip on how to improve my team and a tip on some very defensive Pokémon (it could be special defensive) that can solve my problems?

i love stall, so anyone can help me?

[next forge]

https://pokepast.es/654b2f83ddd888e5
Just use this ngl. All the mons here are significantly better at walling and check stuff more consistently than alomomola or quagsire can, and vivillon isn't a part of stall at all cuz it's a bug flying type (with lefties in ur case please run Heavy Duty Boots ur gonna die to steaht rocks)

https://pokepast.es/9fbb0e9bed65404e
Ndubers stall to whomever it concerns

Do not run stall in ndag it sucks trust me

[bitter wasp]

Kinda new to this format, and i really only play with friends, is this a good team? I used smogon to help make it. https://pokepast.es/d5a8d91c84c5dc03

[bitter wasp]

I do want greninja on the team for sure, though

[dense stratus]

When you make a team you usually have to stick to an archetype, having a defensive pokemon like clodsire isn't that good when your other mons are purely offense or hyper offense, this doesn't work because it can't output that much damage and it ends up being too passive

If you need a pivot you could try adding shuckle with sticky webs, never used, just when I go against it it's a pain to deal with

• greneenja with attack investment??

[dense stratus]

@bitter wasp

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/9d155b19ba5f10ab

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vague hemlock]

Ok this actually really solid

But

I would drop koko for like a ogerpon W

Lando can keep scarf since you need speed control but it should be earth power instead of eq

Earth power Uturn fog and maybe

Hmm

Alomomola can be slowking galar

[mighty peak]

here is a team I don't believe is good, but who knows?https://pokepast.es/d14fa7569d367217

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mighty peak]

also, how is my rain team? https://pokepast.es/4954a35af20ce2de

[wintry tulip]

Sun help https://pokepast.es/6fca53a3ade8b495

[wintry tulip]

https://pokepast.es/0ddf56fbb43f21f5 or this?

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/19fcd7caaea9c742
someone said, we are only limited to 1 shitmon per team...

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plush lintel]

on this team, i see none..

mega pinsir time 🤑

[cerulean karma]

you got...2

[plush lintel]

😔 yah (im delusional)

[cerulean karma]

Zone cores will never be good here icl tera is too limiting

[plush lintel]

i mean atleast it forces a tera

[rigid torrent]

5 mons vs 6 with no tera then

[plush lintel]

isnt that good

[rigid torrent]

Magnezone ain't that bad but you could use

Bolt

[plush lintel]

yeah but like

mag's whole gimmick here is to...

eradicate steel types

which bolt doesnt do

unless its some sort of bait bolt with tb fire or smth

[rigid torrent]

Could do

[cerulean karma]

u remove the steel technically but ur still playing at a disadvantage

[plush lintel]

guess not

[cerulean karma]

cuz stuff like Kartana and ID Corv will just kill u

[plush lintel]

so scrap the team? wanted to build pinsir

[plush lintel]

scarf does outspeed them tho

[rigid torrent]

Why not try pinsir webs

[plush lintel]

webs is shit in nd ou i believe

[rigid torrent]

Oh alr

[cerulean karma]

think pinsir is fine if u go close combat

instea of eq

[plush lintel]

thought eq better for like

crown and shi

[cerulean karma]

but prefo on a diff team

dont like the structure in general

[plush lintel]

yep

scrap?

[merry delta]

I got a Pinsir team if u want inspo from that

[rigid torrent]

🥷

[plush lintel]

yeah, that would be amazing

[rigid torrent]

Can I use it

[plush lintel]

i love pinsir

pinsir ganger

[rigid torrent]

Mega gengar unban when

[merry delta]

https://pokepast.es/c1b02b2e9c6dd860 this team has 2 shitmons (mew / Pinsir) but its an ok team and mew is an ok lead here

[plush lintel]

seems like sm team haha

i use pinsir a lot

in prev gens

[plush lintel]

so just HO with pinsir?

[merry delta]

Yea Pinsir mainly would “fit” on ho teams

[summer bobcat]

Don't rate teams if you don't know anything bro😭

Shuckle is not a pivot

[vague hemlock]

Yes actually please refrain from rating if you aren’t well versed in the tier

[dense stratus]

Except for the shuckle isn't a pivot point, did I say anything expecially wrong?

[warm vapor]

https://pokepast.es/a600838fab621ef0 made around the core of Iron Valiant + Tapu Lele

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[warm vapor]

Meowscarada is probably the Pokemon I’m most iffy about, but I used it because I needed a Pokemon with U-turn and knock off (I hesitated with M-Scizor because I didn’t want another SD mon).

[vague hemlock]

lando doent need scarf

make it defog toxic

i think you want something gir opposing ogerpon

for

like ferro-dnite-tera dragon zapdos

[warm vapor]

Alrighty

[warm vapor]

Something like this? https://pokepast.es/3809536cb9e8aebe

I opted for ferro over heatran and offensive zapdos over meow

Ferro gives me knock off support which I wanted, and Zapdos is an offensive pivot

[vague hemlock]

Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
EVs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Steel
Bold Nature

• Hurricane
• Volt Switch
• Discharge
• Roost

This zap mb

Hp ice over discharge

Also give ogerpon power whip > horn leech

Horn leech is only legit in grassy terrain imo

Also give Lando 132 speed evs for bolt max out hp dump remaining into defense

(Impish)

You can go even slower if you don’t care much about bolt 100 speed to creep defense zap and chomp. But I think outspeeding bolt is necessary here

[warm vapor]

Alrighty

Thanks for the help!

I appreciate it :D

[vague hemlock]

Anytime

[bitter wasp]

I tried out shuckle, and while it's not the best, I liked using red card with it. Do you have any recommendations for good pivot mons?

shoot sry abt the ping

[ember path]

The movesets😬

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wintry tulip]

https://pokepast.es/ec70025ad3dac39e help

[ebon hare]

Gang I need help with my mega glalie team

Here it is: https://pokepast.es/370a7b8f9727f792

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ebon hare]

Pls help

[vague hemlock]

Drop glalie for weavile, drop duck for scarf shifu,and make kartana a defog lando

And then you have a standard Natdex ou team

Along with this I highly suggest checking out samples (teams built by good players) and also viability rankings (they tell you what mons function in the tier)

[ebon hare]

bruh glalie is the star of the team

i aint dropping it

[merry delta]

Weavile would be a better fit

[thorny perch]

https://pokepast.es/2a33e39eda91226d

Havent built nd in like ever

Wait i forgot to change it, sr on tran fog on gliscor probably

Thinking that last could be skarm or smth but i need a cope into sciz and kart

And flame body tran seems about right

Maybe a skarm could work but idk if I like having mola and skarm on the same team lol

[vague hemlock]

Not bad I but I will make a few changes

Tran should be flash fire in this meta always and rocks > hidden power ice as you currently have no rocks.

Lando > gliscor Uturn,toxic,defog, earthquake max out hp run 132 speed evs for raging bolt and dump remaining evs into defense and make it tera water (impish nature)

Give scizor turn > knock

Alomomola can be like ogerpon or scarf samurott hisui. I think I like scarf samurott here with knock.

Boots kyu is relatively weak and I don’t really like that set

This kyurem I feel can be dragon dance

To match your more offensive team

[thorny perch]

That just sounds pretty weak into kartana and sciz

[vague hemlock]

Scizor checks kart and tran checks sciz

Only real kart set rn is scarf kart isn’t that good quite frankly in gen 9

And z sets on sun which sciz stuffs

It’s B rank but is not quite at the level it once was

[thorny perch]

Oh ic

[vague hemlock]

Ye

Try that and lmk how it goes

You can also use electric z koko> boots it’s your preference

[thorny perch]

http s://pokepast.es/e1e0e7067b17d05f @vague hemlock

removed the link not to ping everyone

smth like this?

not sure on the tera for ddkyurem

tera fire makes sense but im not sure

[next forge]

tera ground is better

to smack heatran

also dodges thunderclap from raging bolt

[vague hemlock]

^ye ground

[ebon hare]

Can someone help build an aegislash team for natdex? It’s my fav mon but idk how to build for it

[vague hemlock]

We rate we don’t build here. Secondly, in the context of Natdex ou in gen 9 it is unviable.

It is currently unranked on the vr

Failing to get even a c- rank

[next forge]

(Its not worth it trust me I've tried this guy STINKS)

[ebon hare]

bru

[ebon hare]

Ok i built an aegislash team with grassy terrain support: https://pokepast.es/05e6777b17cd36a6

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ebon hare]

Is it good?

[lament jetty]

i dont think having 3 non OU mons is good tbh

[cerulean karma]

Bulu and Keldeo are terrible ye

[dense stratus]

If you drop keldeo for Ogerpon-w it would be better I think, if you want fighting coverage you can give her superpower

*she also benefits from grassy terrain

[brazen crow]

https://pokepast.es/36def0879c3a4861
thoughts? i want to make a mega garchomp team, only using scaleshot for the extra speed boost after sd
-> ribombee sets up webs and is meant to just be an overall annoying lead
-> tinglu/tyranitar for extra util + sand boost (not needed for chomp)
-> rotom wash for utility/burn
-> heatran to cover ice weakness and also trap opponents and allow for switches

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[molten lava]

https://pokepast.es/4cc05fa81d058493
any improvements?

[vague hemlock]

Urshifu with zard?

Scarf drill ?

Random sd chomp. Yeah id probably run samples here

Reason being due the the large amount of a flaws that would require a complete rebuild.

I think you should build more comprehensive understanding of teambuilding but looking at samples and other natdex resources such as viability rankings

[molten lava]

wins me quite a lot of games tho

i got to 1300

[vague hemlock]

1300 is still lower in the ladder

And Natdex ladder in its entirety is kind of wacky

[brazen crow]

k so i swapped ttar for urshifu rapid strike
https://pokepast.es/4e66a5a1c039dea7
so this is what im working with rn

[next forge]

I wouldnt use Mega Garchomp at all ngl, and I definitely wouldnt use it for Scale shot sweeping since base Garchomp with Tera and loaded dice is just better in almost every way.
Ting lu and heatran dont fit or synergise with ribombee's webs in any way since both are very easy to defog on, and having two water types (one of which being rotom) isnt ideal
idrk how to fix this team but I can suggest either running samples for a more consistently good team cuz this team has a lot of flaws and its not clear what its trying to be

oh two grounds isnt ideal either

[brazen crow]

oh ok ig
if you were to make a mchomp team how would u go about it then?

[next forge]

idrk cuz i havent used mega garchomp at all NGL but id probably go for a bulky offense team approach

im not the guy to be asking tho

abt mega garchomp

[brazen crow]

The main things I’m thinking of for chonp would be like, webs, hazards, coverage, and chomp itself
Reason I have scale is cuz of the speed boost

So after a swords dance (unless there’s a speed boosting move I can use and a ss I can just run everything down

[next forge]

well base garchomp is still solid on webs (which are niche and inconsistent anyways)

and its still strong enough after SD

and it can tera to abuse fairies and ice types

[brazen crow]

Is there any reason to use mega chomp over normal chomp

[next forge]

immediate power ig but thats still a mid reason

[brazen crow]

when that mega can be used on a lot of other better moms

Mons

Even ttar itself may be better for

[next forge]

for HO teams i meant

in general mega chomp has a better mixed set

Garchomp @ Garchompite
Ability: Sand Force
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty / Naive Nature

• Earthquake
• Draco Meteor
• Fire Blast / Flamethrower
• Stealth Rock / Hidden Power Ice / Spikes

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/garchomp/national-dex/ the analysis is right at the bottom

[brazen crow]

mixed attack on mega chomp..?

Yeah ima have to read it to understand

[next forge]

it has 120 spatk

so it uses special moves better since it doesnt have to rely on stuff like life orb to boost them up

which gives it slightly better longevity

[brazen crow]

even still
Should we be just abusing that 170 atk as much as humanly possible
Cuz at that point there’s better stuff that’ll do its job

Which then again
Ig is the whole issue with m chomp

[next forge]

mchomp has so much atk u can invest mostly into spatk

while still having a lot of atk to use

[brazen crow]

Oh true 🤔

if only it had sand rush as an ability 😭
My dreams of deletion would be fulfilled

[next forge]

and it can handle stuff like lando-t great tusk and other physical walls much better

which makes it a solid breaker

but just a breaker not rlly a sweeper cuz its slower

[brazen crow]

Ic
So it can be used

[next forge]

yeah but barely ngl

theres better breakers like ursaluna

[brazen crow]

And better megas that require less dedication to use

Immediately I’m thinking of blaziken, kanghaskan, ttar, zard y, when it comes to better offensive threats for megas

[next forge]

mega blaziken and kanga are banned

[brazen crow]

Lemme check what megas exist

In ou

[next forge]

mega medicham, mega lopunny, mega scizor, mega charizard y, mega ttar, mega swampert on rain, mega diancie

[brazen crow]

Not.. many actually

[next forge]

are the main ones

[brazen crow]

That are ou tier at least
Most are either uu or Ubers it seems

[next forge]

u got more niche ones like mega venusaur, mega latios/latias, mega charizard x, mega gyara

these are all ranked btw

mega garchomp isnt ranked

it was but it got unranked two slates ago i think

[brazen crow]

M chomp is unranked?!?

[brazen crow]

My boy has been done so dirty man 😭😭😭

[vague hemlock]

Mixed

It’s a fat killer

But it’s really not good rn

[next forge]

cuz fat isnt good rn

[vague hemlock]

Yup

Dead on

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/9aeca7fb78622840

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plush lintel]

bait bait bait, as the name suggests

[next forge]

why scarf raging bolt

surely lefties is better

[plush lintel]

bait bait bait

it should be max speed sorry

[next forge]

what is bro trying to outspeed

[plush lintel]

uhh

garchomp yard etc

[next forge]

just clap yard

chomp u have tusk for that

or ferro

[plush lintel]

it was specs originally but i thought scarf would be better

i could make it lefties for sure

and i dont like koko here

[next forge]

yh ngl that looks kinda random

apart from pivot ig

[plush lintel]

i wanted it to power up my bolt even more lol

[plush lintel]

what do i swap it for

[next forge]

idk tbh

i was gnna say scarf lele but thats anti synergy ngl

[random moth]

Had to make this on my phone so it’s gonna show from a guest account but anyways, any recommendations on things to improve with this team? I’m undecided on whether to run weakness policy lati or run calm mind mega lati, and I’m not sure if there’s a better fit for samurott-h or ogerpon-w’s slots

https://pokepast.es/f51fc1ea20e0bd55

this was my attempt at sorta recreating that jirachi team that I saw in a replay that wildfire had sent in another channel

Just figured I’d see if anyone had any recommendations/improvements they’d make

I’m at work right now but I would also appreciate if anyone can let me know if I’m missing any coverage

[next forge]

https://pokepast.es/2935b03014216e47

Changed Glimmora to Grimmsnarl to let Jirachi setup much more easily with Dual Screen support. It can also pivot out to any sweeper of choice if needed while appreciating Jirachi being a solid switch-in vs Fairy-types like Tapu Lele or Iron Valiant that might try to attack it as it sets up screens. Replaced Drain Punch with Aura Sphere on Jirachi to hit Ferrothorn, Heatran and Garganacl harder, as Iron Head already beats Blissey, while Mega Tyranitar struggles versus this team anyways. Made Garchomp Tera Fire to avoid Burn, and to handle opposing Fire types (particularly Moltres) better. Iron Valiant beats bulky Dark and Steel types in one slot which helps Jirachi a lot while being able to hit Dondozo for SE damage which is good for Garchomp, it also comes into opposing Dragon moves such as from Kyurem or Garchomp while is handy. Volcarona synergises well with Garchomp being able to further break through Steel-types, notably Mega Scizor which Iron Valiant doesn't like dealing with. Finally, Ogerpon-W is just a consistent breaker while it also does well versus Stall and Dondozo.

[random moth]

Much appreciated, thank you

I’ll try this out and see how it goes

[random moth]

Just out of curiosity do you think changing grimmsnarl to koko and running dual screens koko would be viable to set e-terrain for iron moth if I wanted to run iron moth over volc? Or do you think I should stick with grimmsnarl and volc

[next forge]

i think grimm is a bit more consistent but ig its usable

[plush lintel]

maybe like a glowking with some weird weather ball tech? idk

[random moth]

Gotcha, thank you

[next forge]

maybe

altho thats a bit conflicting

[naive field]

https://pokepast.es/a0eb2c5bd92d877d
sand team. thoughts?

[lament jetty]

what format is this for?

cuz it looks like an SV UU team in ngl

im*

[naive field]

natdex ou

i mean like at the thread name..

[lament jetty]

base latios is unviable

and most of your team isnt even OU

[naive field]

and?

meta mancing isnt fun

[next forge]

"Meta mancing isnt fun"

Open up

One OU viable mon

Sand isnt even that good anyways id reccomend using samples

[merry delta]

Av prim doesn’t do anything of note in NDOU

Also yes these structures with hippo exca are largely unviable and the defensive core is quite flawed

[feral canopy]

meta mancing

[vague hemlock]

Meta mancing

[ebon hare]

I love meta manning

Mancing

[lament jetty]

LMAO

[plush lintel]

yeahh chilly isnt really that good for a sun team LOL

[summer beacon]

https://pokepast.es/c92ff42a37e25216

is this better?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plush lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/0b9f8733314224aa

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plush lintel]

could go kyurem for weavile

actually that makes more sense lol

https://pokepast.es/40665b17fa1f532f
something like this maybe

or maybe koko for kyurem idk

https://pokepast.es/06859efd6b8198d0
like this maybe

[ebon hare]

Keep kyurem

[ember path]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/

[summer beacon]

what? Altaria shuts down rain, cinderace is a good sweeper or at least does decent damage, galvantula shuts down sash, band, specs etc, mimikyu stops fake outs (for the most part im trying gastro acid on galvantula)

greninja and his priority shuts down things like scale shot

and toxtricity is a decent enough threat if you give him a turn of shift gear

[ember path]

You only have 1 OU Mon, the team synergy isn’t great

Cinder and gren are decent but the others are unviable

[summer beacon]

?

not even mimikyu or altaria

[ember path]

No

If you want to use altaria you should make it mega at least

[summer beacon]

why

[ember path]

Because the regular one isn’t good

[summer beacon]

it doesnt have many good moves to pixilate

[ember path]

Return

There’s better dragons, forgot M altaria still stinks

[summer beacon]

if i did want to run pixilate I would swap tox for gardevoir

[ember path]

These Sample teams constructed by top players are a easy way to learn how things work and whats good and bad

[summer beacon]

i will admit i dont have something too good to deal with ground

go against me with one of the teams (I have been humbled before)

[next forge]

Ur running court change cinderace with sticky webs

Do u not see the issue with that

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/8df618b4e239cbf7

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vague hemlock]

This look alot like a ss Natdex team. Looks cool but imma be honest as soon as gen 9 started rilla-zone died. Magnezone is not viable in gen 9 Natdex in fact it’s not ranked.

[hollow basalt]

ye that's fair ig
i'm noticing it's basically free win into teams with ferro/sciz/corv etc

but if no steels it loses

[vague hemlock]

This team solid tho

Tran > zone prob

Rachi could prob be something else asw maybe a raging bolt

And band on rilla

[hollow basalt]

that would probably make more sense ngl

wondering if I could turn this into a ss natdex team

heard that meta was decent

[vague hemlock]

You def could

[vague hemlock]

Good meta

[hollow basalt]

yeah the only thing that isn't a thing in gen 8 is chilly reception

but teleport exists

[rose nacelle]

Try protective pads on rillaboom

[hollow basalt]

ended up going lefties

the only real use pads has on a unit like rilla is stopping iron barbs + flame body, but my lando is specifically EVd to deal with moltres and I have other ways to deal with ferro

[next forge]

Static?

[tall tendon]

https://pokepast.es/8bb711285ec215d1

Tried making a team based around Ms. Fake Out bunny

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plush lintel]

u sure this is yours

im damn sure i saw this somewhere

[merry delta]

I mean it’s a standard structure but I’m 90% sure this isn’t a public team or anything

[plush lintel]

pretty sure i saw it 🤔

must be wilding ig

nvm, i just saw a lot of teams with mlop glowking hamu and bolt lol

[dense zinc]

https://pokepast.es/a62494e3ba463634

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense zinc]

this good for mmaw?

or urr,.,.,

[vague hemlock]

Not bad but I think that slowking galar with twave > pex is a better choice as it provides pivoting to get mawile in safely.

2. I think that lando > ting is the move here rocks and Uturn + it’s less passive.

3. Encore > vacuum wave on Val (that’s more of an sv ou set + gambit is not in this tier so it doesn’t really hit anything).

4. Personally I think zap is better here and more in line with your team over torn as it could spread para through contact to slow mons down for mawile. Volt fog cane and roost. Additionally Tera dragon gives more insurance vs things like ogerpon wellspring.

[tall tendon]

It's a team I built with the help of showdown people telling me mons

I wanted to run it through with you guys though

[merry delta]

Ye

[tall tendon]

so uh

Any recommendations?

[merry delta]

Id probably make the Lando helmet at least

And if you want you can make rbolt lefties + a bulkier spread to help against shifu

But ngl there aren’t many issues with this

Oh and double Prio lop is something to consider

Against Volcarona I’d just use the combo of gking + hsam + rbolt to try and beat it

Bulky Volcarona is a little tricky but it’s playable

[tall tendon]

That's a thing?

I thought it was always fake out u turn cc taxel/return

[merry delta]

Ye it’s a thing and it’s pretty solid in this meta

[dense zinc]

https://pokepast.es/3be3bf2816a3f711 so it'd look like this?

[vague hemlock]

Yuh

Give ferro tera ghost

Also give uh lando 100 evs speed for defensive zap and chomp

Max out hp dump remaining in def

[dense zinc]

on lando?

[vague hemlock]

Ye

Then you’re good

[dense zinc]

aight

tysmmm

[vague hemlock]

Np

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/b84be4890e7f93b5

[lament jetty]

You guys always find new ways of formats.

Seriously just use pokepaste

[hollow basalt]

not the hurricane zardy

[next forge]

Let's go gambling!

[lament jetty]

Also

Hurricane in the sun 🔥🔥🔥

Heat wave?

[ebon hare]

made a mega glalie team: https://pokepast.es/60932fcdfd962f25

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ebon hare]

i think this is better than the last one

[lament jetty]

God we love unviable mons don’t we

[ebon hare]

👍

yes

is the team bad

[zealous sapphire]

No clue what pokepaste is

[dense stratus]

Ngl I thought they had 5 moves each and I was pretty confused

[next forge]

!pokepaste

[celest merlin]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.
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You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.
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[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/69cef2a168cfc638
shitmon build around malt lol

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ember path]

You don’t screen shot the poke paste, you copie and send the link

[mighty peak]

any tips for my rain team?

https://pokepast.es/a413e4f891048690

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mighty peak]

it's been doing pretty well so far! : D

swampert sweep

[plush lintel]

scarf twave archaludon with no electro shot/

no spin treads/

[next forge]

Replace Rock Slide with Rapid Spin to remove hazards for pelipper, go tera ghost on treads to stop opposing Tusk from spinning your own hazards and to dodge fighting moves

Replace scarf on archaludon with AV and replace twave with Electro Shot and foul play with either Body Press (for bliss/chansey) or Aura Sphere (for ferrothorn)

[plush lintel]

can you help me with mine lol

[next forge]

Sub roost kyurem looks kinda annoying into this

Idk how I would fix that without removing malt

Molt doesn't rlly beat kyurem 1v1 esp if it's tera water kyurem

[plush lintel]

i mean, what really walls it?

[next forge]

Nothing rlly but tapu lele gets punished by sub too much and malt struggles to get into kyu

Also I'm p sure kyu outspeeds malt

[celest merlin]

Altaria-Mega (Gen 9)

Typing

Dragon / Fairy

Abilities

0: Pixilate

Base Stats (BST: 590)

75 / 110 / 110 / 110 / 105 / 80

Weight

20.6 kg (40 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[next forge]

Ye it does so it could still lose without boosts

Id try to fit in AV iron crown somewhere

That handles sub kyu decently

[plush lintel]

good idea

https://pokepast.es/a8e719503d51619f

?

[next forge]

Id prob build around malt + crown + lando + waterpon

Idt slapping crown over ferro is a good idea

U have no hazards now

And rain MU is tricky

[plush lintel]

ok

will try again

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/6cf7c230f023c8ca ?

[next forge]

Ferro overlaps too much with crown and waterpon, so I'd use that slot for maybe garganacl to handle Sun a bit better and to be a decent ghost switch in for crown

I wouldn't use scarf iron moth in particular since that's too many rocks weak mons on one team

Idk which speed control would work best here tjo they all look kinda.mid with this structure

Also malt isn't exactly the best mon to be building around so keep that in mind

[plush lintel]

i wanted to use a fire type with malt lol

ooh

or blacephalon

or lele or sm

[next forge]

I mean

Nah lele stacks too much steel weakness ngl

Maybbbe blace

But that's prob stretching it

[raw venture]

anywhone have a good team with tinglu assault vest for natdex ou

[next forge]

ting lu does not run assault vest

[raw venture]

he can

[vague hemlock]

Please do not ever run av ting lu

[next forge]

But he shouldnt

[raw venture]

why

[vague hemlock]

You get chipped by hazards no passive recovery as you aren’t running lefties. If you run av you can’t run hazards or whirlwind. Av ting is basically a punching bag that does nothing.

[pulsar ledge]

@zerdery69

https://pokepast.es/8c0f0b319cc035b8

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pulsar ledge]

This is for zerdery69. Yall can critique if you want

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/43900dcebbef8eec @limber crypt @ chris

is gren fine here

wait no xard just fucks here

[lament jetty]

That’s a lot of non ndou mons

[next forge]

Gen 8

Not gen 9

[lament jetty]

o