#comp-general
#NatDex OU Rates
nocturne willow
thin nymph
Peaple from there send me here :v
thin nymph
Alr bet
ember path
Is there anything you would add or replace
ember path
https://pokepast.es/2b0a7406de917e6f is this better
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I tried making mawile balance but never really played it yet
cerulean karma
you should test teams before bringing them here to rate 1st
doesn't seem that bad but Scarf Fini seems like a really poor choice here since it just fucks with Slowking, Lando, Mola's utility
also Mola needs Toxic so its not fodder for Wellspring
washtom prob makes more sense to put on here over Fini tbh
as a Scarf Role Compression mon
strange raft
https://pokepast.es/5626a275779763dd
someone loot at my nat dex gen 9 team. see wat they think and be real.
ping me
nocturne willow
why do you have two scarfers on webs...
strange raft
why do you have two scarfers on webs...
idk wat do u recomend
thin nymph
Grinch (Grimmsnarl) @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Light Screen
- Reflect
- Spirit Break
- Parting Shot
Kendrick Lamar (Alomomola) @ Eject Button
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 8 HP / 248 Def / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Wish
- Scald
- Healing Wish
- Flip Turn
Soon To Be Divorce (Maushold-Four) @ Wide Lens
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Tidy Up
- Population Bomb
- Bite
- Encore
Diddy (Ursaluna) @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Facade
- Fire Punch
- Headlong Rush
Dragapult @ Spell Tag
Ability: Infiltrator
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hex
- Will-O-Wisp
- Draco Meteor
- U-turn
Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Knock Off
- Earthquake
- Roost
so yea this is heavily influinced by a pinkacross team I just want to know what to add or switch idk much about team :p
maybe switch luna for a ogerpon? idk
singles ou team if it wasent clear
nocturne willow
roaring moon is banned in natdex OU
nocturne willow
alright sami, qualify for a suspect test first and then you can yap
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alright sami, qualify for a suspect test first and then you can yap
I'll qualify after I stop getting cteamed on ladder
ember path
https://pokepast.es/5626a275779763dd
someone loot at my nat dex gen 9 team. see ...
Why do you have swords dance with choice scarf
strange raft
Why do you have swords dance with choice scarf
idk, wat shud i put there instead
cerulean karma
Smoking on that self brain pack
please check to make sure that your teams are legal at the very least before asking people to rate
thin nymph
please check to make sure that your teams are legal at the very least before ask...
O its legal in VS ou I was confused and thought OU was natdex ou
ember path
idk, wat shud i put there instead
If you don’t know about the last move, just do type coverage like, ice punch, poison jab, iron head, u turn somthing etc. you don’t want Choice Scarf to lock you into a move that does no damage,
And I’m pretty sure you don’t need 2 Choice scarf users when you have Sticky web on Shuckle.
strange raft
And I’m pretty sure you don’t need 2 Choice scarf users when you have Sticky web...
who shud i atke scraf off and wat shud i put on instead?
ember path
You could do Choice Band Urshifu, or Choice Specs Tapu Fini
strange raft
You could do Choice Band Urshifu, or Choice Specs Tapu Fini
u mean tapu lele?
cause i could rock the choice specs
ember path
Got my names wrong
ember path
Why does superior have twister
strange raft
Why does superior have twister
lol
honestly idk wat to put there
i dont like substitute
strange raft
is there anything i can do instead of substitute?
nocturne willow
this is webs without any webs abusers besides scizor
merry delta
Yeah this webs team has like
No real structure LOL
Sub serp is fine and it’s a good a set
ember path
At least the sets aren’t bad
merry delta
I don’t think you should be building webs esp if you don’t have experience building
There are more consistent styles to use atm
ember path
Esp?
strange raft
hit me with a better team
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nocturne willow
any of the sample teams are solid
ember path
You can take inspiration
nocturne willow
i would heavily recommend just running a sample team if you are new to teambuilding
ember path
If you really want to make one yourself look up some videos or somthing on team building
brisk dock
https://pokepast.es/53c1dfbf1c08f689
any thoughts on this? only tested a few games and i havent dropped a game yet
brisk dock
ok after playing more, ive found that sun teams really mess up the team
im thinking of changing corv for either gliscor for hazards or for rotom wash for a good strong water pivot
empty olive
If you want a team that brings bear for the longest amount of time just screens/troom
empty olive
https://pokepast.es/53c1dfbf1c08f689
any thoughts on this? only tested a few gam...
What are evs/ace on sciz for, just use smogon set (also you want hazards if you're using sciz or specific non-ho teams anyway)
Also you crumble to rai
If you want to play bo, you'd probably replace heatran > volc, lando > corv, get the correct sciz and lefties dpunch Ursa set (or just don't use it so you can slot in better speed control)
brisk dock
i tried out the heatran over volc thing and it does p well
junior peak
I thought this was the wrong channel mb here’s my team, feedback I’d appreciate I wasn’t really successful with this team
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glacial lichen
https://pokepast.es/b7473783eefd73c5 I feel like it's good but there's room for improvement
wanton kernel
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hoary dome
https://pokepast.es/0fb5cb51141cf46b i just started playing pokemon showdown and i wanna get better. does anyone have any tips or anything to help me?
crimson mulch
https://pokepast.es/0fb5cb51141cf46b i just started playing pokemon showdown and...
This doesn't look very good. Drednaw, Mega Sceptile, and Slither Wing are all unviable, and Ting-Lu has status moves with Assault Vest. I suggest you try out a sample team in order to learn what works well in the meta
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hoary dome
This doesn't look very good. Drednaw, Mega Sceptile, and Slither Wing are all un...
OHHHHHHHHHH
thats why i couldnt use those moves
man i am no brain
hollow basalt
https://pokepast.es/7c3f2171e3d17942 offense team based around mega medicham and tapu fini
I don't usually build offenses but I thought I'd give it a try without just following what's good
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hard creek
sand mortar
https://pokepast.es/7c3f2171e3d17942 offense team based around mega medicham and...
Draco meteor becomes useless in misty terrain
brisk dock
draco is used against more than just dragons though
hollow basalt
I mean ye but it's not that hard to play around
like
just don't Draco in misty terrain
if that's my only option I misplayed
stuck slate
Been floating around high 1400s and mid 1500 but can't get to 1600. Why does my team suck?
https://pokepast.es/17071b110b29196b
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Lead Samurott isn't really necessary on this team so U prob benefit more from standard boots or choice scarf (or Actually Weavile so u can respond to Glowking better)
also probably want to run defensive lando with rocky helmet since the MU vs oppo Lopunny and Gouging Fire seems damn near impossible (double zmove is also a red flag tbh)
not 100% sold on Tornadus here either and think it could be replaced with Slowbro to secure your Rain and Mega Medicham MU
smth like this maybe @stuck slate https://pokepast.es/3369443e857da6c2
kinda want to run Tera Dragon on Crown tho so Raging Bolt isn't your sole out to Yard and friends
stuck slate
Thank you!
visual tartan
Just a fun team i put together consisting of pokemon i like and clefable :>
https://pokepast.es/2f062ece664a664d (probably sucks)
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scarlet heath
Just a fun team i put together consisting of pokemon i like and clefable :>
htt...
why bug bite and also idk abt inteleon
visual tartan
I picked bug bite cuz it’s decent stab
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Just uturn
nocturne willow
Just a fun team i put together consisting of pokemon i like and clefable :>
htt...
Inteleon is completely unviable in natdex
summer bobcat
Just a fun team i put together consisting of pokemon i like and clefable :>
htt...
OK it IS unviable and shit but if you want to still play with it I'd say change scizor set, uturn instead of bug bite and close combat instead of dual wing beat and change intelion for well someone else
Something with removal
brisk dock
completely agree with the scizor point
if you wanna use inteleon at least use the scizor to get rid of stuff that inteleon hates being bulky steels like ferro and grass types like rillaboom
visual tartan
ok, ty
nocturne willow
https://pokepast.es/045b895f66b08f31
5/6 of these mons are not in natdex ou nor are they viable in natdex ou
lament jetty
https://pokepast.es/97413a32c0e8a12d
has good experience in AG and Ubers but had practically never played natdex OU before, trying to build HO
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https://pokepast.es/97413a32c0e8a12d
has good experience in AG and Ubers but had...
Use Superpower on Ogerpon-W to hit Kartana better (Low Kick is like 20 BP against it)
Replace Expert Belt with either Life Orb or Fightinium Z on Darkrai and replace Ice Beam with Focus Blast to not get stuffed by Mega Tyranitar
Use HP Ground on Volcarona instead of Tera Blast to not be so Tera Reliant (also ur missing 4 EVs)
round knot
https://pokepast.es/f1810a808494ef97 2 days ago i started laddering ND ou while i queu radical red showdown (dead) i just made top 500 with this team in wich i put 20 mins of thought tbh, that weird tornt spread used to be a bulky zapdos witgh even some spdf and spatk (helped vs koko and i liked the coverage and ground inmmunity) ended with tornt started with tera grass now im doing steel. basically asking for suggestions to improve my koko mu
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round knot
also want to say i dont really understand how should i play with tera, i mostly avoid tera metagames
summer bobcat
also want to say i dont really understand how should i play with tera, i mostly ...
Idk how to improve the team but playing with tera the golden rule is basically never consume first - unless you're in a position where tera can either make something sweep and win the game or tera prevents your opponent sweeping you, you should just wait until after your opponent uses theirs so that the tempo of the game is in your favor
next forge
https://pokepast.es/f1810a808494ef97 2 days ago i started laddering ND ou while ...
why regular slowking
also tbolt lele doesnt hit anything
lament jetty
Use Superpower on Ogerpon-W to hit Kartana better (Low Kick is like 20 BP agains...
Wait mega ttar is common in OU?
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yes
wintry hatch
5/6 of these mons are not in natdex ou nor are they viable in natdex ou
It just says natdex I posted in other but people told me to move it
To here
Mb
nocturne willow
So is this for another game?
wintry hatch
It’s for showdown
nocturne willow
Then this is legal only in natdex OU and Ubers
And unless you want to take this to Ubers, this is the right channel
hard creek
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seems fine
kinda prefer Fire Punch on Dnite over Espeed tho
only good Ferro and Mscizor check on the team is Mmedi which obv doesn't have great longevity
bronze lintel
merry delta
https://pokepast.es/5265559bca511559 this is what I would change about the team frank. Elec z koko is generally better on these offenses due to having more bursts of power and being able to revenge kill. Mmedi and weavile are fine here as is, but I would consider ice punch > bullet punch on Mmedi for stronger Lando hits; I think helmet Lando is too common to where you don’t want to be taking that much chip on Mmedi. I changed the crown spread to be faster on this more aggressive build since it doesn’t need to exactly pivot in as many times due to the nature of offense. The evs 2hko Lando with tachyon and it outspeeds dnite which can be useful in some scenarios. Focus blast is here too to be more proactive into Ferrothorn as well but fsight can be worth using. I changed the Lando spread to be faster than raging bolt because bolt is nightmarish for these teams, but crown + fast Lando is generally fine for them. Taunt is great on these teams because they help deny hazards and aid in breaking down teams easier. I’d also consider ferro in the crown slot to help against bolt and rain further but it is not necessary. Dnite having fire punch is a good suggestion from Runo but Dwb is also an option for the waterpon mu but if you end up using ferro with twave that ends up not being too much of an issue, allowing you to be more flexible in that last dnite slot. I’m putting fire punch here tho since Runo made a good call with msciz mu needing improvement so I would just test all of this out and see what works.
merry delta
https://pokepast.es/ea9b11a78366087a
This is National Dex OU, not regular OU.
merry delta
This looks so out of place with the current metagame if you account for replacing pult. I doubt it would do too well.
hard creek
https://pokepast.es/5265559bca511559 this is what I would change about the team ...
are we good vs opposing Weavile
Weav just clicks buttons
merry delta
Tera dnite + koko + lando should be fine I think
cerulean karma
i just play well with the Teras tbh
merry delta
Yea that’s always a good idea
Use contact punish and rocks to your advantage
Play aggressive with dnite and koko (or bpunch mmedi if u use that)
hard creek
ims keep BP medi
merry delta
That’s fine but use ice punch too
hard creek
what about Darkrai
hard creek
which I have luckily
brisk dock
https://pokepast.es/f1810a808494ef97 2 days ago i started laddering ND ou while ...
Really neat team
I kinda like regular king over gking but you do have 2 ground immunities so it wouldnt be too bad to have gking cause of better stats
But still up to you anyway
Also based rad red showdown
cerulean karma
this is not ndou
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sage atlas
im trying to build a team around mega medicham:
Medicham-Mega @ Medichamite
Ability: Pure Power
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- High Jump Kick
- Ice Punch
- Zen Headbutt
Corviknight @ Leftovers
Ability: Mirror Armor
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Tailwind
- Body Press
- U-turn
- Roost
can anybody give me recommendatios for teammates?
nocturne willow
we don't help with incomplete teams
sage atlas
oh ok
formal burrow
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Balance Hawlucha Grassy unburden team
Thinking to replace scizor w medi but idk which one is better
brisk dock
Scizor off of pure bias
More versatile to cover team weaknesses
Imo play it more speed, enough to outspeed a max heatran
Youve got a pretty bulky team so lowering your scizor bulk aint bad
rich matrix
cerulean karma
https://pokepast.es/c6ddffa58ac626b1
triple mega is awful and all of the EVs spreads, tera types, and movepools are terrible. I don't even see how this makes sense synergy/composition wise
way better off just using a sample team if you are new to the tier / comp pokemon in general instead of just teambuilding from the get go
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Karen quote
rich matrix
triple mega is awful and all of the EVs spreads, tera types, and movepools are t...
Should I change weavile to kingambit?
cerulean karma
?
ok I understand that you are new but how is that the take away here
just use a sample team, the one u made cannot be salvaged with a minor fix, you practically have to start over and make a new team
nocturne willow
also gambit is banned in natdex ou
glacial lichen
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hollow radish
https://pokepast.es/4730d2d02a6c0366
Screens ho for suspect
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merry delta
he has always been helper
dusk flare
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i have it off when im offline
hollow radish
i have it off when im offline
Ah ok lmao
signal dust
cobalt skiff
Two things. One: this guy called my team stall which it isn't and two: how good do y'all think my team is anyway? I'm curious. I've gotten a 90% wr on it.
empty olive
This isn't the channel to flame anyone
cobalt skiff
Nah I was just pointing it out and was just like "ok bro"
I found it funny and wanted opinions on my team
empty olive
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av/fake out of rilaboom is unviable/outclassed (make it sd or change it to waterpon), you don't really need quick attack on lopp for this team imo (use return), idt you want protect on fini bc people can really easily take advantage of that (you could also just replace fini with alo), you're very weak to koko or any viable electric (I'd say smth like lando over corv), and after that it's only small changes that depend on what you decide to replace
cobalt skiff
Fake out is for extra priority against boost sweepers and the same goes for quick attack. protect is only for leftovers recovery but I can see it being something else. koko isn't much of a problem with av rilla even if they uturn we take 4 of them no problem
But I do like the ideas here
lament jetty
Fake out is for extra priority against boost sweepers and the same goes for quic...
Grassy glide is usually enough, better to slot in knock off or even high horsepower if you wanna hit heatran and other grass resists.
round knot
U should prob optimize some of the evs at least to take less rocks and maybe some speed on tran, i just dont like min speed heatran besides that i dont hsce anything to say that hasnt been said already
fathom sleet
https://pokepast.es/997c2a951cecaa40 first team, how is it?
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fathom sleet
i feel a little week to bu tusk
also corv cuz the only thing that threatens it is zapdos
cerulean sky
https://pokepast.es/ff25b1f1792c31a3 what recommend change
empty olive
Fake out is for extra priority against boost sweepers and the same goes for quic...
Fake out does not do enough and there are just better options, you'd rather have knock for utility on rilla (assuming you're going band) and return on loppuny to be able to hit any flying or fairy type. Throwing protect randomly on a pokemon just for lefties isn't enough reasoning to justify over smth like cm, fog, natures maddness, or switching to alo. Also, av rilla just doesn't take care of any version of koko
next forge
https://pokepast.es/ff25b1f1792c31a3 what recommend change
Don't use lead mew
Use either lead lando or glimmora
empty olive
https://pokepast.es/ff25b1f1792c31a3 what recommend change
Suicide lando over mew, goug -> booster dance swipe crash quake, make Val standard mixed CM and make dnite standard z
civic shard
https://pokepast.es/83cdf9633ff1f7fa
My friends built this monstrosity for me please help
next forge
https://pokepast.es/83cdf9633ff1f7fa
My friends built this monstrosity for me pl...
He got all of these HORRID sets off of reddit
I may or may not have supplied him with one of them
civic shard
He got all of these HORRID sets off of reddit
Nah the actual good ones are from my friends (Victini, Serp and TTar)
civic shard
I may or may not have supplied him with one of them
But AV Blissey actually cooks, the freeze hax is insane
next forge
Nah the actual good ones are from my friends (Victini, Serp and TTar)
"actual good ones"
dual screens serperior
civic shard
"actual good ones"
> dual screens serperior
Standard Gen 6 set
next forge
not standard but fair ig
brisk dock
https://pokepast.es/83cdf9633ff1f7fa
My friends built this monstrosity for me pl...
You have two z's
glacial lichen
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Personally id slot body press over brave bird on corv and give it covert cloak cuz garg looks rlly annoying for this team
glacial lichen
Personally id slot body press over brave bird on corv and give it covert cloak c...
Never been a match against garg
The only problem I've had so far is with Kyurem specs
signal dust
https://pokepast.es/a95e81e0c32794cc what you think how do i opptimize this team
thick shoal
https://pokepast.es/a95e81e0c32794cc what you think how do i opptimize this team
tera water on cloyster
seems kinda strange
most ppl run substitute over rock slide on hawlucha
acrobatics and cc is already great coverage
earthquake is also better on ursaluna
than headlong rush
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https://pokepast.es/a95e81e0c32794cc what you think how do i opptimize this team
Tera Flying on Hawlucha, replace Rock Slide with either Substitute or Encore
Replace Psychic on Volcarona with HP Ground and run Tera Ground or Grass
Idk what Ursaluna does here and you need an actual Psychic resist so I'd go Ferrothorn
Replace Heat Wave on Zapdos with Roost and HP Ice for Hurricane, also use Tera Steel
Replace Energy Ball with Psyshock or Future Sight on Tapu Lele, and replace Shadow Ball with Focus Blast
Again idk what Cloyster does here so I'd just go Swords Dance Lando-T for a Ground-type
thick shoal
Tera Flying on Hawlucha, replace Rock Slide with either Substitute or Encore
R...
oh yeah tera flying on hawlucha too forgot about that
i would personally run av on lele
but on this team i think hes right
future sight on scarf lele is kind of stupid though
and lando is much better as a pivot than sd
raw venture
Dragapult is ban or not
next forge
U need speed control outside of lucha so scarf is better
next forge
Dragapult is ban or not
Yh
raw venture
anywhone have a build with méga diancie
civic shard
anywhone have a build with méga diancie
#comp-general
thick shoal
U need speed control outside of lucha so scarf is better
yeah
unfortunately
av lele will always have a special place in my heart
i would use another speed control
raw venture
Anywhone have some good team
ripe echo
https://pokepast.es/cd054571861d4804
Not a good team (^), not sure where to go with it. Tried to build around darkrai but feels like he is the weakest link. Mola wish feels tough to get off and a momentum sink, and Its super weak to fighting. Any thoughts?
signal dust
Tera Flying on Hawlucha, replace Rock Slide with either Substitute or Encore
R...
thank you very much but why would i need 2 psy moves on lele
hard creek
https://pokepast.es/bb027439711a3ee6 before everyone jumps at me for using the "bad" grasspon set, afaik this is what it was used for in SV and I thought the niche it had was kinda cool, I kinda rushbuilt this and idk how to fit removal here, I need a ton of help and its much appreciated
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unsure about no fog on a band vile build
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also doesn't this just get mauled by Iron Val
next forge
thank you very much but why would i need 2 psy moves on lele
Psyshock uses physical defense in calculations so it does more damage to Blissey and Chansey especially
Future Sight can make potent offensive cores with Hawlucha, being extremely hard to switch into
hard creek
ok runic fixed it
hard creek
https://pokepast.es/2ec3379fc881358a ok yeah this team I think has problems again despite runic helping
loses to gouging darkrai
next forge
https://pokepast.es/8cb613dd8d95ff1c
shedinja is ndag
this does not work in ndag
unless this is gen 8 nd
is it?
wait it is asw
no tera
hard creek
https://pokepast.es/2ec3379fc881358a ok yeah this team I think has problems again despite runic helping
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loses to gouging darkrai
ngl how does this lose to either
hard creek
DD Z blows me away
Darkrai is soemthing idt u can just run flimsy checks to, u cant just
run stopgaps and call it a day
also the rbolt MU isnt good either iirc
cerulean karma
u have a scarf shifu and Bolt unless its like specs u can just pliot that fine
and even specs its like w/e cuz Tera
cerulean karma
man its a specs darkrai what was the switch in to begin with
hard creek
idk
dusky carbon
Why does none of ur mons touch ferro
cerulean karma
Why does none of ur mons touch ferro
real talk tbh
hard creek
ok do I just start from scratcj
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anique is such a master at building
dusky carbon
I disagree
hard creek
https://pokepast.es/1f09b22dfdaaf48b here was the original core ig, the Garg is optional
idk if I keep gargler or not
This is always a problem, u can never fully cover all of the bullshit
cerulean karma
how does Pivot + SD Glisc mesh well
hard creek
the glisc was originally utility, but Gliscor checks Heatran, and if running SD, can help vs opposing Balances for Pon, and Grasspon is able to check Waterpon to a degree
glis and garg help into the fire types
should this Gliscor be Spikes?
or Fog?
idk what gliscor this shld be
cerulean karma
do we really call grasspon a check when its reliant on with burning tera to win or speed ties?
hard creek
its like a soft check iirc
the teams that its usually on are waterpon weak anyway iirc?
cerulean karma
no?
hard creek
bulky Balances/certain Offenses dont struggle w it?
bc thats what this Ogerpon set is usually used on iirc
cerulean karma
bulky Balances/certain Offenses dont struggle w it?
u had a Bolt and a Shifu on the same team tho
cerulean karma
Bolt, Shifu is fine enough vs NP as i already said
Specs literally nothing safely comes in to begin with
most Generic option is like Clefable and Ting-Lu i guess
Spdef Heatran also probably works as a defensive mid ground over Garg
- u can harrass steel types a lot easier
hard creek
I believe u use it on things like passive Waters/things trying to setup on u like RBolt?
cerulean karma
bolt is clicking Z Draco if u try that tbh
hard creek
:C
hard creek
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why is the main rain check Tera Garg
cerulean karma
all of?
cerulean karma
.
hard creek
all of?
gouger check, rai check, speedcontrol, secondary water resist so rain doesn't win, a wincon, removal, mlop answer, mmedi counterplay somewhat
I can't do it
every time I wanna do something in this tier I always need to ask 10,000 people for help and it doesnt always work out in the end and I have to end up scrapping and dismissing many teams bc idk how to fix them
hard creek
no
dusky carbon
every time I wanna do something in this tier I always need to ask 10,000 people ...
The best advice is testing the teams first
hard creek
why test when the teams are going to lose to the things people say it will lose to
cerulean karma
gives u an idea on how to deal with said threats in practice
that's why I didn't really care about Darkrai and Bolt in the original paste because u had a solid amount of outs against them
even if they had a more favorable mu
hard creek
those 2 mons dont sound like
u can just run pseudochecks to
like I understand in this offensive metagame u may need like
cerulean karma
sounds doesn't mean actually is tho
hard creek
those pseudochecks or 1/2 checks at times
I wanna play this tier again to make more friends and rekindle old memories but its getting harder to do that 😭
or at least it fesls that way
or at least have builder independence
cerulean karma
frankie what is even an example of a balanced tier to you
from a builder perspective
because the issues u have i don't really see a lot of people get hella bothered by
hard creek
You are able to build a wide variety of teams/ur not pulling ur hair out in the builder over checking like 10,000 different things, or those 10,000 things are things that are naturally prepped for/u aren't forced into weird team structures, among other things
a healthy builder u shld feel comfy in most of the time imo
cerulean karma
ok but what tier actually fills that criteria
hard creek
some tiers are better at this than others and no tier is perfect but
cerulean karma
like my building practices typically are like
so long as I don't lose on preview i don't give a shit
and I think the team u had with like
bolt shifu fits that bill
hard creek
is that not a very flawed mindset in a tier where supposedly u can be fine against these things 😉
even FAYA pointed out how Darkrai weak that team was
cerulean karma
idk if this is supposed to be a gotcha thing but like
I enjoy stacking soft checks as a building practice
cerulean karma
ok but like
i'm not going to shoehorn a hard defensive rai check like Primarina on all of my teams when my team would realistically have the tools to not give it an in to begin with or at the very least has tools to punish it for coming in and out constantly
hard creek
the team still wasnt like
cerulean karma
dude u have
Spdef Glisc
Spdef Garg
Lop
and a Tera Steel SLowking with twave
Spdef Heatran
hard creek
+Darkrai
minus other stuff im supposed to be checking
like I have shitty water resists
like do I make this glowking a pex
cerulean karma
Lando over Glisc + Scarf Shifu is fine v Gouging
going Kart Rilla or Waterpon over regular pon is fine with Tera Garg for Rain
Darkrai we've already discussed
Glowking + Lando should be solid v Bolt
hard creek
The team was built around the pon, ok actually
do I just make a faster comp w pon
instead of doing a balance
because balance period seems hippo asscrack in ND
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balance is not good n
hard creek
nah not even not good
like unviable
unless I try and go with something a lot fatter?
cerulean karma
u have to play more reactively which is detrimental
it only works if u load stall
fat and balance teams are hella mid
so yea defo part of your problem was that u wanted to build with a nichemon on a struggling playstyle
hard creek
https://pokepast.es/ab54f0b6c53e06f2 like smthn fattier
merry delta
Is this truly the way to go with pivotpon
hard creek
well ye its typically used on Balance and some Offense comps iirc
cerulean karma
why
merry delta
Surely BO would be a better fit for this set so then you can pivot in like actual progress makers in no
hard creek
can help fix some issues Balance iirc has via doing the following: Defiant (which comes which a stack synergy, especially w Glis iirc due to it pressuring waters and glis switching into threats to it like the fire types), Embody Aspect turning it into a Scarfer that isnt choice locked and helps u outoffense stuff like Rai/Waterpon (the latter of which u also defensively can check to a degree, especially post Embody), the fast Encoring w it, and yeah u can use it on faster comps to get big breakers in with these same purposes, Weavile in particular is good with it iirc as the both of them can work to overwhelm Corv
I'm sorry for lashing out constantly 😭
I know my ideas of trying to "take" niches from other places sucks and isnt a good mindset but I thought this could be smthn that could help improve Balance if only somewhat
next forge
Sick of this ogerpon discussion
merry delta
Defiant doesn’t really solve hazard stack has it’s not exactly wanting to switch into / threatening the foggers in any way
hard creek
or at least thats how it functions iirc
not the flyers but into like
Lando and Glis u do ok iric
cerulean karma
not really tho
merry delta
Glisc pretty much does all it wants
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most of the landos are clicking uturn or toxic
merry delta
Besides an annoying encore
Which is played around easily
Lando clicks u turn and bam
cerulean karma
a lot of gliscs arent even defog anymore either
next forge
Defog glisc is ass ngl
hard creek
ok I think tis meant to be more of a deterrent rather than like
outright beating them iric
merry delta
Encore isn’t truly making progress against the foggers either
If it’s just a minor annoyance then why
hard creek
its not minor either idt
merry delta
There is no deterrent because it is not actually forcing progress
hard creek
as between Encore and a +1 Cudgel in Lando's case
opponent may be forced into awkward places
merry delta
Well again it is hard to consistenly come in on Lando
next forge
The ferrothorn in my pocket
merry delta
This guy sure clicks knock and u turn but I don’t see what’s too special about that when it’s best tool, encore, is more of a minor annoyance if anything now
Ok but I’m getting like too into discussion than actual rating and that is my fault
next forge
Gapdos tho...
hard creek
Encore afaik discourages setup/attempts at removing said hazards/allows it to do some emergency stuff, im not sure how good Spikes 4th is, but probs worse thsn Encore
Gapdos has piss poor longevity and like
not as fast
cerulean karma
Sami is trolling
hard creek
ik I cant read tone in text sometimes :c
lament jetty
https://pokepast.es/47bff37add5c08ba
Guys is webs hyper offense still viable?
and if so, can any of you help me with this team?
because i have no idea how to build webs on natdex, so i sorta copied over glim from SV OU
next forge
Sami is trolling
???
No I ain't pal
Gapdos is goated yall are just haters for no reason
nocturne willow
this is not the channel to ask for teams
lilac turret
https://pokepast.es/536acf1bb8112b86
i have no idea how ive won almost 70% of my games with this team. Id love to better charizard and sceptile tho
i usually lead with ceruledge
tranquil shale
muscle band??
summer bobcat
https://pokepast.es/536acf1bb8112b86
i have no idea how ive won almost 70% of my...
Regular lucario and charizard are both just not good like at all
Run mega zard and get rid of sceptile and lucario for someone else
And use life orb instead of muscle band
Honestly team has no direction probably just a samples moment
lilac turret
Honestly team has no direction probably just a samples moment
i just copied my sv team
lilac turret
Run mega zard and get rid of sceptile and lucario for someone else
rocks kill him tho
tranquil shale
what else
Hdb, orb, sash
sash probably isnt good but i use it to throw in front of physical attackers to force weak armour to activate and also get a swords dance in
summer bobcat
rocks kill him tho
Not an issue if u have a thing called hazard removal
Listen you can win with basically anything on low ladder ND but as soon as you run into serious players it won't work
Probably should use a sample team for a bit and get better used to the tier
languid lake
wide robin
not a rater, but I do see some flaws
the team seems kinda confused between playstyles
tranquil shale
https://pokepast.es/7e94422220dfd52a im not a big nd player so
wide robin
you have vaporeon and amoonguss, which typically fit on bulkier playstyles, but you also have gallade, which fits on more offensive ones
also, miltank and pinceo just aren't too good
*pineco
tranquil shale
https://pokepast.es/7e94422220dfd52a im not a big nd player so
Thoughts on this
wide robin
Thoughts on this
I assume you're going for Hyper Offense, right?
if you are going for Hyper Offense, go sash glimmora with stealth rocks and spikes (I'd say spikes over earth power, but I'm not sure)
tranquil shale
I assume you're going for Hyper Offense, right?
ig
wide robin
I would go life orb/heavy dutyboots on zera asw
tranquil shale
i used to run ditto but it was really gimmicky and not as useful in nd as compared to nd ubers
feral canopy
https://pokepast.es/6e4893d09b61e348
every single mon on here is unusable barring mgallade and tini
and those both are specific
tranquil shale
I would go life orb/heavy dutyboots on zera asw
so forgo the bulk up?
tranquil shale
hm
tranquil shale
but you also don't really need sash for all setup mons
Isnt zera kinda squishy
wide robin
it kinda is, but you prefer the damage boost from life orb
tranquil shale
alr then
feral canopy
https://pokepast.es/7e94422220dfd52a im not a big nd player so
if ur running ho then everything here doesnt really fit, barring teapot and and sometimes kart
and glimm*
nocturne willow
https://pokepast.es/536acf1bb8112b86
i have no idea how ive won almost 70% of my...
Like ornl said, this team is unviable. Mega Sceptile, Lucario, and base Charizard are all unviable in the tier, and the sets run on the other three aren't much better. I would recommend you use a natdex sample team to get a better grasp of the metagame first, and the mons and sets used
feral canopy
zera is godawful in this tier please do not use it
celest merlinBOT
tranquil shale
if ur running ho then everything here doesnt really fit, barring teapot and and ...
whats ho
feral canopy
hyper offense
basically a playstyle around hitting your opponents as hard as you can repeatedly until they die before you
tranquil shale
ohh ok
tranquil shale
zera is godawful in this tier please do not use it
Funny explanation is i needed an electric type in my team but also a counter to ferro so i just used that
wide robin
doesn't mega lopunny kill ferro?
tranquil shale
Oh oops
i used zera in an older team without lopunny so i just copy pasted over
ill probably change it out for koko or something else then
lilac turret
Also put shadow sneak on ledge
replacing what
lilac turret
Like ornl said, this team is unviable. Mega Sceptile, Lucario, and base Charizar...
mega zard physical special or mixed?
cerulean karma
if ur running ho then everything here doesnt really fit, barring teapot and and ...
waterpon?
next forge
Funny explanation is i needed an electric type in my team but also a counter to ...
Ur best bet is iron hands and even that is mid sometimes
Or heat wave zapdos ig
knotty cargo
empty olive
https://pokepast.es/80d6315677466ca0
Scarf shifu over kart, and ddance ttar kinda mid so I'd replace with alomomola or ddance morning sun goug
hard creek
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empty olive
https://pokepast.es/d5fc11b6e07b4775
Also lele matchup is questionable
Maybe change garg tera
clever vale
is this team viable, ive only used it a couple of times
https://pokepast.es/fc0d80f342b46afe
lament jetty
is this team viable, ive only used it a couple of times
https://pokepast.es/fc0d...
this looks like hyper offense
but i=it has gliscor for some reason
nocturne willow
band urshifu, lopunny, gliscor, and zerorora all dont fit here
(zerorora doesn't fit anywhere its ass)
clever vale
i just like zeraora
clever vale
but i=it has gliscor for some reason
i just wanted another mon for rocks
nocturne willow
you dont need double rocks on ho
i would recomend using a sample team to understand common team structures first
hyper offense is usually 1 setter and then 5 setup sweepers/breakres
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nova arrow
https://pokepast.es/f159ed1822d86d14
I'm kinda new to Teambuilding but I think this team is more or less ok and Im looking for feedback
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nova arrow
https://pokepast.es/f159ed1822d86d14
I'm kinda new to Teambuilding but I think t...
Im guessing someone is going to say to switch out Cyclizar tho
lament jetty
https://pokepast.es/f159ed1822d86d14
I'm kinda new to Teambuilding but I think t...
You really got yung crowbared
Anyways in all seriousness this corv set is fake
nova arrow
?
nova arrow
Anyways in all seriousness this corv set is fake
Wdym it’s fake
cerulean karma
Wdym it’s fake
as in its not a viable set that people seriously use
because its terribly inconsistent
feral canopy
https://pokepast.es/f159ed1822d86d14
I'm kinda new to Teambuilding but I think t...
if ur new to teambuilding
use the sample sets
and the vr
and look at existing teams for inspiration on structures that work well
next forge
Thank you adem
cerulean karma
no thank you adem
hard creek
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empty olive
https://pokepast.es/7facc26a5db24071
What for rai
hard creek
kindaq forgot a rai check, does chansey + Fairy Scor work or nah
empty olive
Uhh lemme check
hard creek
:/
empty olive
Idk the +2 z fight calc on chansey on the top of my head
Idt spdef scor walls rai tho
+2 252 SpA Darkrai All-Out Pummeling (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 544-640 (77.2 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Either way rai takes way too big of a chunk out of your team
lament jetty
+2 252 SpA Darkrai All-Out Pummeling (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Chanse...
darkrai hyper offense claps too hard
lament jetty
kindaq forgot a rai check, does chansey + Fairy Scor work or nah
focus blast and sludge bomb
hard creek
can I not throw chans at it + toxic + do smthn else
lament jetty
can I not throw chans at it + toxic + do smthn else
ho has hazards
after chip it dies to +2 Z focus blast
hard creek
I mean idk how ur supposed to check that anyw on Balance
like do I try and fit Grasspon
lament jetty
I mean idk how ur supposed to check that anyw on Balance
we do have clodsire and stuff like scarf tapu lele? idk
empty olive
or Lop/Grasspon
Lopp is hard carrying balance imo
Outspeeds menaces of the tier and has priority chip + pivots
Lopp probably doesn't fit this style of team tho
Probably make pex alo and replace glis with scarf lando
ripe echo
https://pokepast.es/c82f5b9d5b716e02 Feel like this team struggles with setup, both in lacking priority and in getting destroyed by garg. Not sure how to answer zard y either
calm trench
Just made a team, tested it on high ladder, it felt good. Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/2d04106a1b70c63a
brisk dock
Ye i like it
Maybe run a bulky volc instead if you want any advice or smt
Bulky volcs do generally better on these types of teams imo
cerulean karma
Just made a team, tested it on high ladder, it felt good. Thoughts? https://poke...
feels that gliscor set is doing too much
really should be a red flag that u have to drop roost in order to fit all of swords dance facade and defog
next forge
Do u rlly need swords dance glisc
hard creek
https://pokepast.es/4a89f17f3c4b76a6 I know I did smthn wrong here, I just dk what
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Malt without ferro kinda crazy ngl
hard creek
why are u double rocks
accident
hard creek
Malt without ferro kinda crazy ngl
I wanted both tran and spikes so
stray crown
guys i need help with smthng
Kommo-o @ Kommonium Z
Ability: Overcoat
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Clanging Scales
- Aura Sphere
- Flash Cannon
- Flamethrower
this is my sweeper kommo o and i need a good move for him
all the others are good but flash cannon is pretty bad and never really does the job
i need some sort of move to counter to fairy pokemon
but idk which one
nocturne willow
We only rate full teams here, you can ask this question in #comp-general tho
stray crown
ok thx
stray crown
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stray crown
rate the team please
next forge
Never cook again.
cerulean karma
unsure if u were trying to fit a mega and a zmove user on a team for the sake of it but its completely unnessesary
stray crown
yeah ik
stray crown
Never cook again.
im gonna get to the top 500 with this team or something extremely similar im telling u
next forge
U dont need an ice type
stray crown
yeah but i need ice or grass
ember path
Grass typers aren’t exactly the top of the food chain
cerulean karma
this entire team kinda just reeks of mediocre tho:
- Sash Gren with a Tera that doesn't rly make sense
- Kommo-o without Close Combat is pretty shitty and flash cannon is an unmove on it
- Abomasnow is a terrible mon in general
- Balloon Koko is hella weird when its a one off benefit (why not just Tera Flying with Boots), running it without Uturn makes that less justifiable even
- zero clue what that Lando EV spread is supposed to do and fog/rocks combo is very bad for it since it means u can't run toxic or knock
- Iron Crown has zero speed EVs for some reason
why do u have any of these options
next forge
this entire team kinda just reeks of mediocre tho:
- Sash Gren with a Tera that...
No Close combat on kommo is fine but no boomburst is uh
ember path
yeah but i need ice or grass
If you want a grass type use serpeiror
stray crown
this entire team kinda just reeks of mediocre tho:
- Sash Gren with a Tera that...
the greninja tera counters elec types and the tera blast super effective against steel too
cerulean karma
No Close combat on kommo is fine but no boomburst is uh
bro th fighting stab is Aura Sphere, that is not ok
next forge
bro th fighting stab is Aura Sphere, that is not ok
What
Bruh
Go focus blast at least
cerulean karma
the greninja tera counters elec types and the tera blast super effective against...
ur cheesing
cerulean karma
only works if the oppo has never seen ur at all + the conditions for it to work is insanely specific
stray crown
yyeah ig
cerulean karma
need rocks off + gren never taken any damage + didn't burn tera before hand
stray crown
Go focus blast at least
nah i tried it before
i hate that move it literally never hits
cerulean karma
Mixed Z Kommo-o with Close Combat is fine
ember path
i hate that move it literally never hits
True
cerulean karma
but this team structure is not
next forge
i hate that move it literally never hits
It only hits on teams that are good 
ember path
@stray crown you can put your team into marilan team builder and it will show you your weaknesses in types
stray crown
alr
cerulean karma
generic but that is fine for starter builds
I would focus more on making sure u don't lose to specific threats
stray crown
<@798908125771857971> you can put your team into marilan team builder and it wil...
also should i use contrary on serperior
cerulean karma
u can treat this as a check list
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-viability-rankings.3714511/
of what ur team needs to handle
stray crown
ok thx
also i dont rly do tactics
so thats one other reason my pokemon dont support eachother reasonabl
cerulean karma
if u feel u are too new to build properly u can try out the sample teams
ember path
As you play you will get better at it
stray crown
if u feel u are too new to build properly u can try out the sample teams
idk i got like 2x the elo with this team than with any samples
cerulean karma
damn this ladder sucks ass then lmfao
stray crown
yeah
cerulean karma
tbf tho I kinda have the same issue with using other peoples teams
stray crown
im on 1370 elo rn
cerulean karma
oh nvm
feral canopy
No Close combat on kommo is fine but no boomburst is uh
u dont run boomburst on z clang
next forge
u dont run boomburst on z clang
Wait
stray crown
i just replaced it
cerulean karma
u dont run boomburst on z clang
thank u know it all adem 🙄
feral canopy
kommo o isnt even the problem
stray crown
u dont run boomburst on z clang
i just swapped flash cannon for boomburst
feral canopy
koko that cant touch grounds is bad unless its like cm z fairy, but even thats very niche and team specific, definitely not on a team like thus
ember path
i just swapped flash cannon for boomburst
That only works if it has throat spray
feral canopy
maboma is awful, the meta is quite hazard oriented and tera makes its life hard, pex and gking being everywhere is also bad
cerulean karma
mr Adem i've already diagnosed the team
stray crown
That only works if it has throat spray
oh alr
feral canopy
it was a funny pick last gen but this gen its just not usable
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mr Adem i've already diagnosed the team
^^
stray crown
what item should i use for serperior
feral canopy
ash gren is bad but that set is extremely bad, its not doing anything unless you tera, and even fhen you have to hope everything is somehow weak enough
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what item should i use for serperior
Leftovers
cerulean karma
he still going 😭
stray crown
ok
feral canopy
the saving grace for that is crown but yeah
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he still going 😭
😭😭
feral canopy
mr Adem i've already diagnosed the team
Quiet.
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Hp fire
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Not tera blast ground
lament jetty
LMAO
ember path
That to
lament jetty
ive looked at the team and i wish i didnt
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ive looked at the team and i wish i didnt
Quit hating
lament jetty
what are you doing with mega abomasnow
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😡😡
stray crown
ive looked at the team and i wish i didnt
bro im new
ember path
Give him useful information instead of dunking on people
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Fr
feral canopy
what are you doing with mega abomasnow
please dont give any more advice
cerulean karma
we are still doging on this guy?
feral canopy
if you cant be polite and courteous about it
well
you werent giving advice anyways
so just dont be rude, if you cant, please go somewhere else
lament jetty
if ur new look in the OU zone, its probably easier to slap on a bunch of random mons in that area when building a team
thats what i did when i never played the tier
cerulean karma
if you cant be polite and courteous about it
lament jetty
unless you know that a certain lower tier mon has a specific niche
lament jetty
ok, anyways, real advice:
cerulean karma
clearly did not pass metaphor 101
stray crown
@ember path how should i use the substitute tho
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what does this mean.
Pot calling kettle black
lament jetty
first, identify your structure, like hyper offense, offense, BU, balance, stall, semistall, stc
etc
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what does this mean.
Basically ur a hypocrite
lament jetty
or maybe that comes later
cerulean karma
first, identify your structure, like hyper offense, offense, BU, balance, stall,...
he would have to know what said structures look like first
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I know what it means buddy
Then why
feral canopy
Not a hypocrite
feral canopy
literally top 1
lament jetty
ok, for hyper offense its just a suicide lead and 5 sweepers
feral canopy
gm
lament jetty
balance doesnt have a specific structure but they generally have a defensive core, pivots and some breakers
and hard stall is hard stall, no breakers and the entire team is made to be the ultimate defense
i personally like stall but stall is kinda hard to use for me
if you want quick elo you can just go spam hyper offense for quick games
ember path
<@970867099713024040> how should i use the substitute tho
What do you mean
lament jetty
since HO games dont last long
stray crown
What do you mean
like it doesnt seem very use full with serperior
lament jetty
or, you can decide on the structure later and focus on a mon to build around
cerulean karma
like it doesnt seem very use full with serperior
ur fishing for para hax so u can get leaf storms off safely
stray crown
alr
lament jetty
for example, lets say you wanna build around lets say wellspring ogerpon
or any mon that is viable
ember path
like it doesnt seem very use full with serperior
Sub protects you as you set up with leaf storm or using glare
lament jetty
Sub protects you as you set up with leaf storm or using glare
stops thunder wave and toxic and other stuff
and salt cure if you encounter that
stray crown
alr
feral canopy
type chart is useless when building in competitive pokemon
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type chart is useless when building in competitive pokemon
Kid named monotype
feral canopy
since coverage moves, the existence of physical and special attacks, and pokemon having more than one type
feral canopy
Kid named monotype
fake
building following a type chart will only leave holes in your team
feral canopy
and brings more disadvantages than advantages
lament jetty
type overlap isnt really that big of a problem
and thats not really how you do a team
stray crown
should i pick grass knot on tapu koko against ground types or is there a better alternative?
feral canopy
hidden power ice
stray crown
alr
stray crown
alr
brisk dock
https://pokepast.es/23dd6a7e00dae596
Run better defensive ivs on abomna
I think its a fine team ngl
dry rivet
It isn't
nocturne willow
please dont give advice if you're not experienced in teh tier
mega abomasnow is unviable
hard creek
https://pokepast.es/57d7787622b61188 how do I fit some kinda win condition?
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dusky carbon
Replacing val
hard creek
having no actual breaking pwer sux
cerulean karma
https://pokepast.es/57d7787622b61188 how do I fit some kinda win condition?
Garg
summer bobcat
https://pokepast.es/57d7787622b61188 how do I fit some kinda win condition?
Might be wrong but I'd take out tran
You already have spdef garg and gliscor and alo have spdef evs too
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u need tran for lele
empty olive
https://pokepast.es/57d7787622b61188 how do I fit some kinda win condition?
What's even the point of garg on this team?
You can just fit like a z torn over garg to break
Wait I forgot rai exists
Use that instead
Either that or mlop
And I'm pretty sure lando would be better over scor
hard creek
What's even the point of garg on this team?
gouging check + rocks + status sponge
empty olive
gouging check + rocks + status sponge
literally lando over gliscor then krai over garg
and then everything fits
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hard creek
but I still lose to Darkrai kinda ;-;
merry delta
Yea the speed control here is not adequate
empty olive
Literally mlop or rai over garg fixes your issues
hard creek
Literally mlop or rai over garg fixes your issues
if I replace garg I have no win condition
hard creek
???
its the setup thingy on this team
I can't just sit there and be inflated
I need to actually win the game lmao
hard creek
no it isn't tran cant click like it used to
I can't fit spikes on the Gliscor here, removing Garg makes me slughtly more uncomfy into gouger
nocturne willow
garg is perfectly fine
hard creek
I am THIS close to throwing the team out istg
nocturne willow
this team struggles with darkrai because darkrai is broken but also because your spdef checks all crumple to +2
hard creek
and never building Balance again
nocturne willow
pay a few bribes to get darkrai banned and then you can start building something that isnt offense 75
hard creek
altho the samples have several balance teams
so it can work
which makes it frustrating
why can those teams fit the stuff they want
and I can't
also Lando is a weird balance pick no?
https://pokepast.es/180f68e5a0ac80d3 what about this
I check darkrai, I have ok waterpon cplay I think, I can check Lop, I pressure Steels ok-ish, I have a win condition, I have a way to deal with rain, Volc, I have Knock, Rocks, Removal, I have ok speed control
;-;
nocturne willow
https://pokepast.es/180f68e5a0ac80d3 what about this
AND ITS SPECS DARKRAI WITH THE STEEL CHAIR
jk jk
nocturne willow
this team is aight, the lack of breaker is a bit iffy but lop + garg + ogerpon surely works
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https://pokepast.es/180f68e5a0ac80d3 what about this
Ngl this gets shredded by mega medicham
hard creek
ok yep im done >w<
nocturne willow
medicham should theoretically be handleable with play around pex and corv
hard creek
no more balance teams for me 😄
idk how u guys and the sample teams do it
its too hard
hard creek
also isnt reuni skunk ass
hard creek
rn
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Basically impossible to check everything
hard creek
how is balance supposed to
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Cuz theres so much
And mmedi is good into these teams in general sooo
Not rlly ur fault
hard creek
dont tell me I gotta use shitass Skeledirge
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dont tell me I gotta use shitass Skeledirge
No dont
nocturne willow
the frank answer is "you cannot build reliable balance"
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That guy is #lame
nocturne willow
you will have to just accept, you lose to certain mons
nocturne willow
yeah well welcome to darkrai's natdex
nocturne willow
+2 252 SpA Darkrai All-Out Pummeling (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 530-624 (103.1 - 121.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
hard creek
:C
nocturne willow
252 SpA Darkrai Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Lopunny-Mega: 278-328 (102.5 - 121%) -- guaranteed OHKO
hard creek
like
nocturne willow
darkrai's ou.
hard creek
its like the only good balances are the sample balances
😭
like please tell me its broken in SV OU too
nocturne willow
lol
hard creek
so im not alone
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its like the only good balances are the sample balances
Debateable
hard creek
like
nocturne willow
the issue is just that theres too many threats
and you dont have the mons to check them
bceause we threw zama out
hard creek
how is it that im building with a mon that apprently eases the balance process
nocturne willow
not we, you mfs
hard creek
(weedpon)
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not we, you mfs
Dont say "you"
hard creek
and its being harder
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I didnt
hard creek
like weedpon is meant to like ease the process no?
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yeah you didnt qualify
nocturne willow
hidin's post in metagame thread sums up the problem pretty well
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Not my fault ladder is lame
hard creek
this also tells me that natdex is unsustainable
if there is going to be threats that are
on the cusp of broken u gotta go out of ur way to check
what happens next gen with more inflated stuff in the tier
0 good teams.
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what happens next gen with more inflated stuff in the tier
U never know gen 10 might be balanced af
hard creek
no.
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Apart from like
hard creek
anyways
nocturne willow
the issue is tiering got dragged down by a few failed suspects cough cough TERA so we're finally catching up now
hard creek
tbf
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Nduu is peak
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Nduu is peak
No tera there and that meta is awesome
nocturne willow
tera allows u to patch a builder issue somewhat
and all we had to do was ban kingambit, gholdneog, dragapult, zamazenta, and potentially waterpon for it
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Waterpon needs to go idfk why they kept that
hard creek
tbf idt anyone is complaining about gambit dengo and pult anymore no?
nocturne willow
well yes because they are banned.
hard creek
and all we had to do was ban kingambit, gholdneog, dragapult, zamazenta, and pot...
wouldnt these guys make it
even harder to make teams
because Balance didnt like gambit at all
nocturne willow
eh, can't really determine what a metagame without tera would look like
cerulean karma
Glimmora prob wants to be focus sash for a guarenteed rocks up
Pup Mlop is pretty terrible on HO, HJK over close combat is kinda throwing
Specs koko looks like a horrid momentum sink without uturn and tbh I don't really see a huge reason to run it on this team at all
Ogerpon wants Superpower over Play Rough, and Power Whip over Horn Leech so it can break past Toxapex
tranquil shale
ok thanks
tranquil shale
Pup Mlop is pretty terrible on HO, HJK over close combat is kinda throwing
btw whats HO
cerulean karma
hyper offense
tranquil shale
ou ok
tranquil shale
Specs koko looks like a horrid momentum sink without uturn and tbh I don't reall...
btw do you have a recommendation for any koko replacement
was supposed to be my main fairy and electric type
fleet kite
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fleet kite
recommendations? It's my first team in this mode
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https://pokepast.es/87e49bf85fd51ce0
I'd replace Ursaluna and Clodsire because they're slow as hell, don't really abuse Sun like Venusaur would, and the latter is just a momentum sink. For Ursaluna, you could have Great Tusk which offers additional Rapid Spin support while keeping the Ground-type and Protosynthesis boost. For Clodsire, you could have Raging Bolt, which further patches up the Rain matchup, has Protosynthesis, and offers a form of priority for the team.
I'd also change Bulky DDance Gouging Fire into Choice Band Gouging Fire to have a form of immediate power that Sun is pretty good for.
unkempt shale
fleet kite
hi my friend and i made this team we hate garganacl 😠
https://pokepast.es/f6873f093d66b035
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fleet kite
opinion and recommendations?
crimson mulch
Darkrai is dead sorry man
nocturne willow
...did you mean this for sv ou lol
sonic turtle
reef sky
https://pokepast.es/1391ba26565cdafc
Little offense team I made to dip my toes back into the tier; basic concept is to use the threat of lele breaking to bait in steels and have magnezone and heatran handle them, clearing the way for lele and eventually kart. Then I added a 2 mon defense core, which is pretty whatever, I went zap for physical and gking for special, and my brain tunred off after giving them pivot moves
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https://pokepast.es/1391ba26565cdafc
Little offense team I made to dip my toes b...
Zapdos working overtime to make up for the triple ground weakness this team has
empty olive
https://pokepast.es/1391ba26565cdafc
Little offense team I made to dip my toes b...
Magnezone really isn't needed as lele and kart already have ways to deal with steels. Goug matchup is really rough, so I'd replace zap with lando, magnezone with shifu (or maybe mlopp so you have a reliable fastmon), and goug over tran. Additional changes in changing lele to cm z set, also consider slotting mega venu over gking.
feral canopy
Zapdos working overtime to make up for the triple ground weakness this team has
no ground type
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no ground type
We got magnezone koko isnt doing shit
hard creek
u need a ground on every serious team imo
merry delta
Not how that works unfortunately @mag checking Koko so there’s no need for ground. You still need a ground on basically every team because they provide too much value too drop and block vswitch. For this team, I would probably try something like chomp > mag because it gives some wincon for the team which is nice. You also need something for waterpon so at the very least go like Tera dragon on gking / zap but I’d look for a potential safer answer into it
reef sky
https://pokepast.es/125a74f748ed6d37 Updated team, I now have a ground and only one ground weakness! (zapdos catches a break)
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