NatDex OU Rates

[pale spear]

and boots tends to more useful on zap, altho u can explore z-zap if u want to

[spring imp]

what lando set would you recommend?

[pale spear]

fog/eq/turn/tox

max hp heavy defense investment, u can toy around w a bit of spdef to live some valiant hits if u feel uncomfortable

val + volc r what u mainly appreciate the spdef for

[bold anvil]

can someone recommend me a mega-lop team

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/f6df57d96b8e69bd

[wispy cedar]

https://pokepast.es/96626c0edaeb578d Rate? any suggestions?

[native spruce]

https://pokepast.es/7ea307d668d16459

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[celest merlin]

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[placid cosmos]

[fiery iris]

https://pokepast.es/7a1f4bc9c77f9c91

Webs HO

[keen tangle]

https://pokepast.es/6514f70e551ae469
it works, at least
(using poipole because its my favorite pokemon :D)

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lilac lantern]

https://pokepast.es/054ca0f40edd0eaf
Very shitty team I made
tyranitar is supposed to setup for mega aggron

[full blaze]

"Your team must be competitive, and you must be willing to have it optimized. We will not stop you from using whatever team you want, but if it’s not competitive, it does not belong here. If you are building a "fun AG team" and don't want to use viable Pokemon because you don't like them, this is the wrong place."

poiple is 100% letting this team down. i bearly even play nd ou anymore but i know there is no good reason for it to even be in uu

[primal tree]

https://pokepast.es/e84fb3bd9dcbb682 first time building in gen 9 ndou, still learning how to teambuild in general. Went for a team using medi/ferro/mola/tornt because that seemed really solid overall. I wanted to go for more of a bulky offense approach, but I think this ended up being more like balance actually?

[celest merlin]

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[primal tree]

I struggled a bit to fit the last two mons, and so those are what I was the most worried abt. I went with dnite bc someone in compgen said the first 4 struggled against zardY and I thought he could be a strong zard/goug check and wincon

Val is honestly only there as more offensive speed control and as my main comfort pick, this is the part I'm most iffy abt outside of some of the sets I'm running though

[crude stump]

dnite -> raging bolt and valiant -> scarf lando probably works

no need to further worry about yard as the worst case you can tera alomo

[primal tree]

Oh ok didnt think abt that yea

What lando set? Scarf or helm?

https://pokepast.es/5b9fb6f4712223ac what I'm thinking. Might swap to rh if its better

[crude stump]

scarf for speed control

is this one of the sample teams now lol

[primal tree]

Is it...

I dont see any torn t on samples!

Which one

[cobalt skiff]

Is this good BO team?

[crude stump]

This is ssnd right

The mons are fine but you need to modify the sets

Band lando and safeguard volc are bad

[cobalt skiff]

Ok

[cobalt skiff]

Any idea what I should do with lando

[cobalt skiff]

RMT, any advice would be appreciated

https://pokepast.es/99a57f724c57d4d3

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spice crest]

I think you should just ask in the ND Discord

[celest merlin]

National Dex (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Tournament schedule
• C&C reservation index
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[main sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/18e01c05ad15d2d8

[bold anvil]

https://pokepast.es/d760ee30a6966736

[celest merlin]

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[bold anvil]

feel volc a waste, any ideas how to make better

[reef knoll]

https://pokepast.es/639e612289c74921 Made 1800s with this, dislike koko eterrain mus and ik rain is the ho killer but surely theres smthn i can change for it

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[reef knoll]

also how should i play into stall with this

[main sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/32631701d2c2749a what could i improve

[hollow radish]

https://pokepast.es/9bd7118fffadf64a

Funny HO yes yes

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude stump]

Starting with checking the banlist

[sacred ember]

https://pokepast.es/4ff15e6a7406f950 hoopa U team

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[main sequoia]

lright u could help the other people sending in their team atleast

[uncut sky]

https://pokepast.es/61b65c924dc5b909

Any improvements I could make?

[crude stump]

What are you trying to build here

Web?

If that’s the case then there shouldn’t be a scarf lele. Offensive volc over bulky one, tusk over treads, and superpower over knock, whip over leech on pon

[woeful mountain]

https://pokepast.es/25738e448acc1985

This team is gimmicky as all hell, but I have a ton of fun using it. Lotta room for improvement though, mainly since I don't feel like every team member is being used to their fullest potential. (Namely Deoxys and Ribombee).

[chilly mirage]

https://pokepast.es/04212874d73946ca

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[latent solar]

https://pokepast.es/63cb6aec204161af

what do i slot in as my last mon ?

[hardy flint]

hey btw i recommend using smogon sets for your teams :3.

[latent solar]

where is the team building bit in that....isnt it using what someone has already made ?

[hardy flint]

there’s also a 1000% the builds you’re using have been used already as well

the thing is they’re on smogon because their optimal

[latent solar]

that would make sense...can you recommend a mon for last slot ?

[inland dome]

https://pokepast.es/3eef42cd53c9914b because ladder is cancer i cannot load lando ho as always so i tried to build balance - main idea was to try and build around chilly reception glowking + specs blizzard kyurem because it 2hkoes like, everything bar blobs. not really a fan of cb valiant as last but i wanted something strong physically last

@dusk flare @feral canopy help please :3

[feral canopy]

band val is bad

u r cooked by sd gliscor

n id zama

can maybe make this physdef tera grass gking

make val smtg else

[inland dome]

yeah i don't want val

[feral canopy]

koko probably

that shld be fine

[inland dome]

o7

[feral canopy]

[inland dome]

what's the uh

fire cplay or whatever

[feral canopy]

oh

fogrocks lando is bad

[inland dome]

gfire and corona apparently troll

[feral canopy]

make that a real set

volc can be scary act

id think u need to restructure

the build

im ngl

Hm

[inland dome]

hm maybe yeah

[feral canopy]

gking kyurem lop looks fine

then some water

ground

[inland dome]

mola?

[dusky carbon]

shifu could work

[feral canopy]

if shifu then maybe

shifu kyurem gking

lando

make gking spd

[inland dome]

whats last two here

[feral canopy]

u need a steel or a dark

heatran

[inland dome]

spd?

[feral canopy]

prob

then smtg to help w zama last

[inland dome]

scarf lele?

[feral canopy]

meh

or u can

act no thats too Fucked Up

[inland dome]

i need speed control here too

[feral canopy]

shifu is prob scarf

[inland dome]

o7

[inland dome]

cant be that bad...

[feral canopy]

hm

[feral canopy]

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 192 SpD / 40 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Stealth Rock
• Magma Storm
• Taunt
• Earth Power

[inland dome]

what are you thinking

hm

[feral canopy]

but na

u need a proper

fire check

for that set to work

sec

oh im a genius

act maybe

Hm

not this

act maybe

https://pokepast.es/523e2cd569771e82

Genius.

idk if this is the directoon

if not

wait

[inland dome]

isnt this oger food

[feral canopy]

ur right.

Sec.

thats the annoying part about building w kyurem

especially specs

ur ogre and fire food

im ngl

this may be a

tera dragon and hope for the best moment

[inland dome]

blobsalute

uh what teras

[feral canopy]

gking / lando

secc

https://pokepast.es/f8a5bc6d4136dd39

ok solved it

double dragon

nothing can give wromg.

gking is normal spdwd

lando is normal defensive

zama is boors but with pack

gking is boots i think spdef

[inland dome]

isnt this triple dragon

[feral canopy]

tera dragon doesnf count

[inland dome]

oh you didn't mean teras

[feral canopy]

n

[inland dome]

im not thinking.

[feral canopy]

if not it would be quadruple dragon.

[inland dome]

right

is dnite standard dd

or did you have spread / set in mind

[feral canopy]

standard dd

dd spinner eq. roost

or dwb over roost

[crimson mulch]

@cobalt skiff for National Dex OU rates you go here

[cobalt skiff]

thank you so much

[crimson mulch]

Np

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/94ae4790c97e78bc Gen 9 National Dex

[celest merlin]

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[cobalt skiff]

(My wonderful attempt...) 😭

mega mawile is my fav mega i just dont know what works 4 it

@crimson mulch are those the raters?

[crimson mulch]

yes

[cobalt skiff]

kk ty

[crude stump]

Try waterpon over azu and raging bolt over washtom

[cobalt skiff]

hmmm alright what other pokémon would work well?

any movesets need adjusting?

because i heard mawile pairs well with rotom for the ground weakness and whatnot

[cobalt skiff]

i've spent a good bit of time making this as water-tight as i can, but i seem to still be struggling against setup sweepers. that, and i still feel there are holes in the team

the entire point of the team is to revolve around gilbert (my beloved) btw so taking him out is not an option

https://pokepast.es/e4f2d348efa10a9b
i've also considered building an offensive team with gilbert, as he excels in shutting down stall pokemon/weaker pokemon specifically
but the stall team i sent definitely has granted me the most success by far

[feral canopy]

i think

u should play another tier where gilbert is viable

or at the very least somewhat usable

[untold saddle]

https://pokepast.es/a82015d1973b850a

[feral canopy]

Yep.

[untold saddle]

Hi all

any advice?

[feral canopy]

Hi

[crimson mulch]

It's good in ADV NU

[untold saddle]

Got to 1200 for the first time today in nat dex ik its still low but took me a while

im using ou but i think im lacking full know how

[cobalt skiff]

gilbert has been tearing it up

he's responsible for a lot of my wins

because the opponent forfeits when I switch him in

[feral canopy]

that doesnt really change anything

[cobalt skiff]

i simply think you're underselling gilbert's value

just look at the guy

[dusky carbon]

win with your favorites, they say

[cobalt skiff]

gilbert is the ultimate stallbreaker

you guys just wouldnt get it

[dusky carbon]

type shi

[crimson mulch]

shi

[pale spear]

chris technology

[solar valley]

https://pokepast.es/4e6b3cf48114b394
I jus wanna build a team centered around water (literally) is there anything I need to change? (im new to this)
@limber crypt

[celest merlin]

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[solar valley]

its fine if I have to change a water type for any other pokemon

[limber crypt]

That was going to be my question

While the team is fine as is, mono water wont really getvyou far

[solar valley]

can there be any improvements?

[limber crypt]

This needs a ground and a steel at the minimum, at the moment u get owned by koko and/or lele

oh wait hold on

Ok i can fix this

[solar valley]

currently getting owned by lele

i started a battle and lele showed up

[limber crypt]

so

ferro > hamurott, lando > pex, defensive washtom rather than scarf, mlop > gyara, and smth that can pressure tera dragon mons > urshifu

smth like specs ival methinks

[solar valley]

ty

[limber crypt]

np

also sd > uturn on waterpon

[glad igloo]

https://pokepast.es/520e3dd62d4ab697

[celest merlin]

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[glad igloo]

Are there any better alternatives for Hisui Samurott's moveset and item

And would there be any better options for Tera typing

[uncut sky]

That Iron Valient having Thunderbolt is so bad

[solar valley]

https://pokepast.es/562f5e3390949539
fariry

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow radish]

https://pokepast.es/15b873962c2aa272

For Ogerpon-W suspect, posted it before but no one answered so 😔

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow radish]

I peaked 1750 with 79 GXE with this so I'm confident I can do the suspect with the proper adjustments & proper play

[limber crypt]

sorry for not getting to this but it looks fine, i would just do superpower pon over low kick and (optionally) dnite > gouging just to give more leverage vs waterpon simce that kinda rips this apart atm

[hollow radish]

Bet thanks

I'll try both dragons

[fossil axle]

https://pokepast.es/150a068690a6dbed

new to natdex, how can i improve?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal pond]

https://pokepast.es/c3a3b10d7ee69ca0 who should last two be

[lofty frost]

I think mola

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/9c294dfaab1cc801

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fossil axle]

https://pokepast.es/008e84a1f3b49592
koko + lopunny voltturn offense

[celest merlin]

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[neat bridge]

https://pokepast.es/7bb51a01e4033b67

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[neat bridge]

https://pokepast.es/fcfdc1d3b30e847b

[cobalt skiff]

this is quite bad considering you have like 3 unviable pokemon on your team (cincinno heattom and slither)

then this wack crown mola pecha core thant doesnt rlly make sense

there doesnt seem to be much direction here

anyways https://pokepast.es/0e8d7699c5d8bca6 RMT.

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy flint]

hey! ur a bit weak to mscep + weavile don’t u think!

unironically u r weavile weak

ig u can tera!!

[cobalt skiff]

yeah quite weavile weak

i have to tera pon for that

or zapdos

Or tusk

[hardy flint]

yeah

exwctly why mscep x weavile is a broken core

thank you.

i’ll be here all day

[cobalt skiff]

ur zapdos when i dodge focus blast and kill you with hurricane

.

.

.

[hardy flint]

..?

[cobalt skiff]

i mean mscepti

Zz

[hardy flint]

ur tera

water*

[cobalt skiff]

shiii

[hardy flint]

why would i click focus..

[cobalt skiff]

Dw about thay

[hardy flint]

😭

[cobalt skiff]

Predict to weavile )ignore the fact it ohkos)

[hardy flint]

(shhh)

[cobalt skiff]

ngl tho i kinda do wanna drop this mdiancie

[hardy flint]

i recommend

a mscep..

thoughts?

[cobalt skiff]

mon feels out if place only here for rocks

fuck no i need rocks

[hardy flint]

then replace oger

ur using the shit oger build anywsys

waste of an oger

Mscep + sum to help w weavile mu

noob.

[cobalt skiff]

man wtf is wrong with pivot

[hardy flint]

that can rock

[cobalt skiff]

shits literally finr

[hardy flint]

dude

cuz ur pivot

i’s better at being an sd’er

waste of an ogerpon atp

tbh.

[cobalt skiff]

its fine at pivoting too bro this aint svou where you need boots to viably click u turn

[hardy flint]

i never said it wasn’t fine!!

i’m just saying

the sd build is way better

[cobalt skiff]

Besides i have 0 momentjm

[hardy flint]

and ir bsd

ur*

u legit have zapdos glowking..

also well duh

ur using great fraud

in 2024

😭

[cobalt skiff]

tusk is literally fine

[hardy flint]

mid ass mon

ngl

atp..

[cobalt skiff]

mostly here just to have consistent removal and a good physical check long term

[hardy flint]

idk man..

[cobalt skiff]

i aint gonna stack zapdos and lando on this weavile food ass squad

[hardy flint]

well maybe remake this SHIT team

[cobalt skiff]

is it time for colbur gking…

[hardy flint]

have u tjougjt abt that

buddy

holy shit

colbur focus blast glowking..

[cobalt skiff]

Ok Bro.

[hardy flint]

woah..

[cobalt skiff]

r u stupid

[hardy flint]

dude..?

[celest merlin]

Fire Blast (Gen 9)

Has a 10% chance to burn the target.

Type

Fire

Category

Special

Power

110

Accuracy

85

PP

5 (8)

Priority

0

Target

Any adjacent

Flags

• Blocked by protection moves.
• Can be copied by Mirror Move.
• Can be selected by Metronome.

[hardy flint]

u legit live knock off and kill

[cobalt skiff]

Not from band

[hardy flint]

ur not a very good ev spreader than are you

[cobalt skiff]

physdef gking in the year 2024

[hardy flint]

wait

i jusr checked

yes it does live knock w colbur

u fraud 😭

also ogerpon is a bitch vs ur team

what in the 50/50s 😭

[cobalt skiff]

oh with colbur ys

[hardy flint]

.. no shit

[cobalt skiff]

i thought you meant in general

[hardy flint]

that what we wwre talkint abt

no 😭

but anyways

i feel like every turn

w this team

might come down to a 50-50

vs an enemy oger

[cobalt skiff]

This is true sorta

Generally what I do is just

aggressive pivoting

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/8ac92fe895412624

@pale spear @limber crypt @dusk flare

[cobalt skiff]

this shit gets fodderized by weavile

[cerulean karma]

theres a whole ass pex there

[cobalt skiff]

wyd when it sds on your switch with rocks up

[old summit]

https://pokepast.es/e16c58c9e4274fe1
@limber crypt

[cerulean karma]

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

[dusky carbon]

you don’t need zone to facilitate corv or reuni

[deft coyote]

https://pokepast.es/5752ff37033d0d6c
Can I get a word on this team? Tryna make use of mega chomp

[celest merlin]

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[limber crypt]

specs lele, ferro > clod, should prob drop xurk for koko as well (tho any fast attacker works in that slot, mlop for example)

[limber crypt]

sr mtar is better here i think, and id also drop mchomp for smth like waterpon, use the spikes glisc set, and i would drop scarf valisnt idk for what tho

maybe pex or smth

[old summit]

aa

is this for me

[cobalt skiff]

Yes

No

Its for uh

[old summit]

[cobalt skiff]

yeah its for you

[wanton bear]

Thoughts on my first NatDex OU team?

https://pokepast.es/2d768dcc71857360

Link

[celest merlin]

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[frosty swallow]

https://pokepast.es/c17e7290d5aef6e6

I usually play in National Dex, or just for fun with a friend how's the under 600 BST no legends team?? (Toxic orb has been replaced for black sludge)

[crimson mulch]

!nolegends

[celest merlin]

See rule 6 of #1030567099703242903 message

[crimson mulch]

Not a rater but this team is almost entirely unviable outside of Shifu and Ursaluna, i recommend that you take a look at the sample teams and learn from them

[celest merlin]

National Dex (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Tournament schedule
• C&C reservation index
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[feral canopy]

Ok i think this is hitting the top 3

funniest rulesets ive seen here

[frosty swallow]

LOL yeah, keeps things fun with friends 😁

[frosty swallow]

Ah gotcha, mb

[smoky badger]

https://pokepast.es/6a3e5efc9fca28f7 Is this team alright?

[celest merlin]

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[obtuse chasm]

https://pokepast.es/16d05bb67ae6c7f7 is this team any good

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy flint]

playing vs zama might be a lil risky

If it’s tera fire molt loses most likely, even without tera fire a well played zama team beats this pretty easily

ghost ferro def helps tho

hmm idk i think my main issue is the fact mlop is ur fastest

doesn’t look bad tho

i’d def recommend a ground, either lando or gliscor

[cobalt skiff]

hey guys ive been playing this team and for some reason it hasn't been working out well past 1400~. can't seem to find any holes in it personally. can anyone give me pointers on what's wrong?

https://pokepast.es/e4f2d348efa10a9b

[dusky carbon]

Gilbert

[cobalt skiff]

wdym?

[feral canopy]

they mean gilbert is the issue

[cobalt skiff]

no gilbert isnt the issue

Gilbert in fact being the issue:

[thin vessel]

I made a new and improved version of your team. I only replaced Gilbert and changed some sets

https://pokepast.es/4c0ceea16a448b9b

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt skiff]

no but you can't replace gilbert

hes irreplaceable

theres no way Gilbert is the issue

[thin vessel]

He was the main problem with the team

[cobalt skiff]

no just look at him

[thin vessel]

Wailord isn't a tanky pokemon even with his hp

And u had not offensive moves on him so you were fodder to taunt

Rate my trick room team

https://pokepast.es/ff3c1cbbb998c290

[feral canopy]

maw should be the 4a set, and amaro should be ground move over low kick

either eq or bonemerang

[thin vessel]

What's the 4a set and low kick is better than earthquake cuz it hits every super effective thats resistant to its stabs

[feral canopy]

What does low kick hit that earthquake doesnt

i can name one that is vice versa

my good friend toxapex

[thin vessel]

It can hit it for neutral damage with its stabs

[feral canopy]

the 4a set is on the analyses, google it

[thin vessel]

And ursuluna can handle tox

[feral canopy]

again i ask

what do you hit with low kick that earthquake doesnt hit

[feral canopy]

yes but in a 1 on 1 you cannot break it with polt

hell even something like sub would be better lol

low kick hits nothing

[thin vessel]

It doesn't ohko hisui sam and darkrai

[feral canopy]

flare blitz ohkoes darkrai

eq at +2 ohkoes hisamu

[thin vessel]

It doesn't if dark has a little def investment

[feral canopy]

or well anything at all+2

[thin vessel]

Id be dead before I can 2 shot sam

[feral canopy]

1. no darkrai is running defense investment, 2. you need max defense and max hp to avoid the ohko from flare blitz

[feral canopy]

in what scenario would hisamu even be in front of you without set up

unless it has sucker punch

[thin vessel]

A lot I've been in a lot of battles with this team

[feral canopy]

toxapex is an actual mon that can outspeed you under trick room, and outspeed you under trick room depending on its set

[feral canopy]

then your playing poorly lol

regardless hisamu is a much more uncommon mon than toxapex

[thin vessel]

Pex can't out speed unless it has min speed

[feral canopy]

if you have your amaro vs hisamu and its not setup and the hisamu is healthy

[feral canopy]

yeah some run - nature depending on the sets, but most sets also outspeeds outside of trick room

which is the main issue

since it can beat you that way

if your not running eq

[thin vessel]

Pex isn't an issue outside trick room because it's a defensive monster ☠️

[feral canopy]

???

it clicks scald and outspeeds most of your team

it walls awak without trick room

if your vs awak in trick room you can stall out trick room turns

[thin vessel]

Weak scald isn't going to dent any of my pokes besides marrow

[feral canopy]

it forces it out

wastest turn

it also dents luna

also

[thin vessel]

Barely and I can return with headlong rush

[feral canopy]

hisamu isnt an issue if you have maw lol

[pale spear]

🤪🤪🤪

[feral canopy]

it does like 30 and it wastes trick room turns

again why is hisamu a problem

you have maw and your running trick room

that 1 spike it sets up isnt going to change much

and if its sucker you lose anyways lol

[thin vessel]

Mawhile gets walled by a lot of defensive mons so it's an ez switch in for the opponent

[feral canopy]

what in the world is 4a maw walled by

[thin vessel]

Play rough, iron head knock offs mawhile?

[feral canopy]

Look at the analysis dude

[thin vessel]

Where

[feral canopy]

google

mawile smogon

click on sv

click on natdex

[thin vessel]

Pr, iron head, knock off, thunder p mawhile gets walled by ferro

[feral canopy]

i repeat

look at the analysis

[thin vessel]

I saw it

[feral canopy]

i literally gave u a step by step guide how to

No you didnt

if you did you would realise thats not the set

neither of the mawile sets have iron head

[thin vessel]

Oh i see thunder p, fire fang, pr, ice p/sucker punch mawhile

[feral canopy]

yes

finally

thunder punch fire fang play rough ice fang sucker punch

only one mon can “wall” all 4 and its heatran

you can run brick break over fire fang if you prefer that

then it would just be mega scizor

heatran gets you a free switch on literally everyone else on your team

and sciz is walled harder by maro but can break through the others

[thin vessel]

I see

[smoky badger]

Could someone rate this

[feral canopy]

there are no moves

[smoky badger]

Oh oops wait hang on

Do I have to send it as a pokepast can I send the team as a ss

[feral canopy]

as a pokepaste

[smoky badger]

Ok

[obtuse chasm]

Might be too weak to freeze dry

[obtuse chasm]

I also hate how its too weak to fire

i htink i let them setup too much

my playstyle is the issue

not the team

fuck

i rather play HO

[obtuse chasm]

yeah i see hwy now

GOD GLISCOR MADE IT WORSE

FUCK

[smoky badger]

https://pokepast.es/7130fb2ec87205b3 this has the movesets

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[thin vessel]

Rate my team https://pokepast.es/686d997e5cea530e

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[thin vessel]

And here's some game play https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2123951078-c5f37kxtnmymkv7a9lqu4225y9n3bwepw

[frosty swallow]

It's evil, evil evil team

[obtuse chasm]

RMT

https://pokepast.es/f44ff23af535c23a

[earnest helm]

https://pokepast.es/5fcc6ba713741c4b RMT

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

this looks interesting, u can do encore w/ black hlases on hamurott and i think u should drop tusk, i would say for smth like rbolt which gives u more insurance vs waterpon

[earnest helm]

Oh aight

Boots or dragonium?

[clear locust]

https://pokepast.es/8ad9476fda32f34d

theres really no strat here

just a team of pokemon i like

that are viable

[drifting stratus]

https://pokepast.es/18f55b04a9a27c2b
hear me out

this is good i promose

[frosty swallow]

https://pokepast.es/ff8804b008e00c39

Thoughts guys?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frosty swallow]

Why tengela evio rather than the evolved form with another item?

[limber crypt]

I think you should take a look at the sanples, none of these monsters are really usable outside of alo and u have two megas which is never a good sign, the samples will help you get a good understanding of the meta and what constitutes a good team

[frosty swallow]

I had two megas in case one ends up dead weight in a match up, but you're right it's definitely not great to have over an item

[solar valley]

https://pokepast.es/0a8155bd09fd7521

[cinder pendant]

trying to build a sun team but struggling on the last two mons (and maybe gliscor's set), i did playtest an older sun team but it lost 6-0 to rain dance manaphy

https://pokepast.es/045d58460badb4fc

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[old summit]

rate kekw

funny aaa

[smoky badger]

Don’t you have to use links

[old summit]

https://pokepast.es/2b0e19b9eaa50511

swapped Rhib for Grim

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt skiff]

rate my team

[tidal current]

https://pokepast.es/087214c1316ccdd6

Made this team with the intent of playing balance using the Pex Ferro Gliscor core, and also wantes to use mega lopunny a bit

Pex is mostly specially defensive and stops setup with haze + toxic and scald. Recover is standart

Ferrothorn is the physical counterpart with chip, good defensive typing and physical defense ev's

Gliscor rounds them out with spikes, toxic and status absorber

Mega Lop gives me momentum, speed, decent damage and fake out priority

Raging bolt is my,setup sweeper + z user. Its bulky, forves switches (good for spikes and slowly chipping its counters) and priority

Lastly corvs helps with any type that my defensive trio cant handle too well, and gives me defog and momentum

Been trying to stay around the 1600 elo range

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[marsh blaze]

Delete this and use pokepaste

!pokepaste

[celest merlin]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.
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[crimson mulch]

Is this the right paste? It seems to be completely different from the team you're describing

[tidal current]

Me dumb

Fixed it

[crimson mulch]

It happens dw

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/439b8922404f65c9

[spiral pond]

Its been 12 hrs: https://pokepast.es/439b8922404f65c9

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rain cove]

https://pokepast.es/f8d850494d957392

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rain cove]

It is a tailwind team

[rain cove]

https://pokepast.es/9222a77b9039062f or this is a better

[rain cove]

Also what about these teamshttps://pokepast.es/d1568e055995c524
https://pokepast.es/137fcf5db449c2e1

[dusky carbon]

slow down..

[frosty swallow]

https://pokepast.es/ad8789d4d945c4b2

Hey guys! What do you think?

[old summit]

Rate my aha funny slightly refined

https://pokepast.es/5258c3f99832f243

[frosty swallow]

Wowza!! 7 me thinks (I'm at the bottom of ladder)

[nocturne willow]

Please do not post joke teams in this channel

If this is serious, this team is completely unviable and you should use sample teams to learn the meta game first

[celest merlin]

National Dex (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Tournament schedule
• C&C reservation index
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[nocturne willow]

This team is similarly completely unviable

None of these mons are in OU, and the only mon preventing this team from being legal in UU is meowscarada which is UUBL

And only post one team to rate

[nocturne willow]

4/6 of these mons are not OU, this team is not viable

[rain cove]

Ok

[old summit]

exactly it's an aha funny team

[nocturne willow]

This channel is for serious teams

[old summit]

oh... sorry

[nocturne willow]

If you want to mess around with a funny team you can but don’t post it here, this channel is for rating viable teams

[frosty swallow]

So its no good, gotcha👍

[spiral pond]

!pokepaste

[celest merlin]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

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[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/439b8922404f65c9 also

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

while i think araichu fits on this team fine with the changes i’ll make, im gonna suggest switching it out bc its a huge gimmick generally, but if you want to keep it you do you, id replace it with smth like urshifu-r
outside of that i would make koko screens, lando suicide lead, kommo-o double clang, and msciz offensive 3a

[rain cove]

https://pokepast.es/3667b1e92be339d0 (iron crown instead of metagross)

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vocal steppe]

Hello! I made my first team ever for national dex OU and I was trying to make it like a hyper offense lopunny team and I just wanted to know how it looked I don't really know what's good and what isn't in this format so this may be a bad team. Please ping if you do reply
https://pokepast.es/f7e1b4ae49b30516

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne willow]

This is not hyper offense, you have one “sweeper” that is running volt switch and two defensive pivots

[vocal steppe]

Any tips on how I can make this team an actual hyper offense team?

[nocturne willow]

To make this HO I would have to revamp the entire team, and at that point you’re better off just running a sample team

But as a general rule of thumb HO is 1 suicide lead 5 set up sweepers

https://pokepast.es/21c2abaad9c6aa22

This is a good example

[vocal steppe]

I see I will use this rule for revamping this team thank you

[neon olive]

mega lopunny doesn't fit on HO generally

but it does fit on teams looking roughly like the one you posted so it's still a good start for a team

i don't think sash samu works here tough, and you also want to fit rocks somewhere

[flint tree]

https://pokepast.es/cca8d820c9d83eea

[rain cove]

https://pokepast.es/baac423adbdc493b

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cunning nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/f3e83d3925e3717c

[old summit]

https://pokepast.es/af21affda83c56f0
I know I don't do very well into Stall Steela >-M

[rain cove]

https://pokepast.es/89d4944817f7b167

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/5ea11c53d6a717b5

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/89fb42a46ac8f9e4 I've made like 2 changes

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy flint]

u kinda get 6-0d by gouging

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stark yarrow]

is my team good?

[spiral pond]

Obama?!?

[stark yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/706918b4107ab5c6

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @crude stump, @hardy flint. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne willow]

do not repost your team to re-ping the raters, they will get to it when they have the time

[cold fog]

https://pokepast.es/58f5012262e665e6

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[merry delta]

Hey nab, you have a cool team idea with assault vest lele, but this can be optimized further as a build. First off, I would change the nature on lele to be modest; you simply can’t hit hard enough with assault vest lele without it, and it’s generally preferred on that type of set because you want to break with it still, unlike something like scarf sets that more take on the aspect of a revenge killer. You can keep the speed on it since it still outspeeds timid raging bolt which is still a good benchmark to hit. I would also change future sight to hidden power fire to help in the mega scizor and Corviknight matchups, especially mega scizor which can get out of hand quickly as a wincon. Future sight also has no real abusers here, so it’s most likely fine to forgo. Alomomola I felt was just an inferior choice compared to Toxapex. Since this team looks to be going more balance, I didn’t like the idea of a potentially exploitable mola balance which isn’t the best playstyle in the metagame at the moment. Toxapex would be a better fit here in my opinion because it is a better stopgap into Pokemon like Zamazenta, Urshifu, Volcarona, Mega Scizor, and provides more insurance in the rain and sun matchups which is always nice for a team. Before we get on to lando, I must first point out that normal Tyranitar is inferior to Mega Tyranitar in the current metagame due to less bulk and even being less powerful if not holding a choice band, although I still wouldn’t use a choice band set at all for the former reason and others that aren’t relevant to the team. I see what your idea was with mega lopunny being speed control and using normal Tyranitar as a sort of replacement for mega Tyranitar, but I feel there’s a better solution to this. First off, we need to remove the mega lopunny so then we can use mega Tyranitar. Then, for the lando, we can use a choice scarf set, which gives us great role compression as a form of speed control, ground, and hazard removal.

Ogerpon-W is a great breaker, offensively synergizes well with lele, so props for that idea. However, I’d change the set to have power whip over horn leech (just because hitting harder for a breaker matters) and superpower > encore to deal with Pokémon like Ferrothorn more easily, which Ogerpon would otherwise make the team lose momentum against by letting it set spikes up. Because we have one more slot due to the role compression scarf Lando gave, I decided that Ferrothorn was the best option. Not only are spikes an amazing tool, Ferrothorn is also adapt at handling Pokemon like Gliscor, Tapu lele (much more consistently than assault vest lele on a balance build) and being part of a core that checks Ogerpon-W along with Toxapex. Gliscor is super important to check here because sd sets are able to clean up this team quite easily if positioned correctly, so insurance against one of the best wincons in the tier is nice. Ferrothorn also checks stuff like Tapu Koko and is annoying to non close combat mega scizor so that’s also some nice traits, spikes are also once again very good and twave is nice support and speed control. https://pokepast.es/98361b1d9f42e3cb here is the paste with all the changes I made to make the build a little better. Everything is standard (and can be looked up on the analyses for further info), but the scarf Lando outspeeds a boosted adamant gouging fire which the team can struggle with so that’s what’s with the ev spread.

As for tips I could give you for your future builds, I would suggest not using balance builds that have “compromise” pokemon like that normal Tyranitar, it only ends up making the team less consistent and there are generally other ways to solve those kinds of issues as I demonstrated. I’d also refrain from just slapping alomomola on balance teams because in most cases from what I’ve experienced it only makes the team more exploitable to more offensive structures and is usually replaceable on those kinds of teams.

[old summit]

https://pokepast.es/64727fd708bf315f

this okay?

[merry delta]

What exactly is the idea behind this team?

[old summit]

momentum and forced swapping

-<

also hey another Assault Vest lele aha

[merry delta]

Usually when you want something more momentum based, it’s usually more offensive; not only are some of the Pokémon and sets are very suboptimal, but this can’t break through many kinds of bulkier structures.

I wouldn’t recommend using xurkitree and azumarill in this metagame. What I would do is look at and use the sample teams and then see how they build something more offense based before building something that fits your description

[old summit]

Slowbro and Blissey?

[old summit]

okie

thenk >-<

[old summit]

https://pokepast.es/9973e8eb8dde33e9

is this better? wait shoot assault vest aromatherapy doesn't work oops
switched to leftovers, calm mind aromatherapy

[merry delta]

I still don’t quite understand what the team is going for; could you maybe explain what the purpose of some of these mons are?

[tough fern]

https://pokepast.es/9699fe9f11509e46 I’m very new to this stuff I’m not good at team building but this is my shot at stick webs HO team also anything I can add or remove?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[old summit]

idk terrain control and type cov?

sorry maybe I should stop

[merry delta]

You shouldn’t stop exactly, maybe make the team a bit more coherent because most of these mons are just too exploitable as defensive cores to the most common offensive threats and wincons + the offensive synergy is lacking. I would start by shifting the team towards offense since it seems you want something more momentum based in contrast to the more balance-like mola gking Lando core. I’d also suggest using the samples a bit more to see what sets are viable; the Lando set is unusually Chinese ev’d with boots and fog + rocks which isn’t the best combo (because you don’t want to fog away ur own rocks) and Mola doesn’t run alluring voice at all because it has no relevant targets. Usually specs Koko is reserved for more offensive builds too that can support it well, usually consisting of stuff like ferro. Leftovers cm aroma lele is usually a set you don’t want to run because it doesn’t really click aroma that much + lefties doesn’t help its longevity or breaking prowess like fight z does. I’d look at the sample sets and analyses to get an idea of what partners / sets to use is what I would suggest

[old summit]

[cinder pendant]

charizard-y sun, maybe defog should probably be given to gliscor too from playtesting

https://pokepast.es/7386dc99c3fecba5

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cinder pendant]

i sent this before but the team has like had several changes since, i added zama just to fill in the hole, i have replays if desired

[hollow radish]

I am not too good of a natdex player

But from my experience, eq > outrage on gouging fire and scorching sands on zardy over fblast usually work better

Also yeah kart as your solo defogger isn't really enough for zardy most of the time

I'd recommend defog on gliscor as well

And maybe switch something out for a rocker so you have at least some hazards, but I'm clueless as to that one

(Spikes is usually less preferred to rocks in non-hazard stacking iirc)

But wait for someone with better building experience because mine is like average lol

[cinder pendant]

gonna test those when i get up but im a tad hesitant getting rid of fire blast considering the lando-t matchup

[hollow radish]

Not fire blast

I mean focus blast

Zardy without fire moves is fake as fuck lmao

[cinder pendant]

i was lowkey confused why remove fire blast icl 💀

[hollow radish]

Lmao

Scorching sands over focus blast lets you pressure pex and heatran better

And ttar cant really switch anyway because sands is like scald

Lol

[cinder pendant]

oh yeah i had focus blast on due to the first iteration of the team being like 5 sun mons lmao

[hollow radish]

Lol

[hollow radish]

Tbh

You know what I kinda like here? Tusk

It gives both spin and rocks, gets proto boost, and provides another ground

I just dont know what to remove lol

[cinder pendant]

oh yeah for context, tusk was removed very early on because the rain dance manaphy matchup sucked

[hollow radish]

I was wondering what rd was

But scarf kart and rbolt just take it out anyway no?

[cinder pendant]

this was the original team but it was very very water weak if it lost the weather war, i also didnt playtest it fully

[cinder pendant]

bolt can be played against

[hollow radish]

I mean

If it teras grass

Just go zardy

Otherwise, scarf kart and bolt

[cinder pendant]

i also got para'd 💀

[hollow radish]

ok that ruins any game ever tho lol

If I had to guess, I'd say tusk > gliscor might be your best replacing, but my knowledge is limited

I'm a ladder player but it stops there so

Probably wait for a better guy

[cinder pendant]

alright

imma say out of the whole team

zamazenta was the mon slapped on there with like no sense of synergy

[hollow radish]

Lol

[cinder pendant]

then i playtested and it covered some bad matchups

[hollow radish]

Had a bit of a feeling so

But i actually

Yea i dont hate zama there either

I might steal this team tbh lol

When its done

[cinder pendant]

so

• replace focus miss with scorching sands on charizard-y
• gouging fire set might need re-evaluating
• either somehow fit defog on gliscor or add rocks to something
• if tusk is added, re-evaluate the zamazenta and gliscor team picks

i also have no idea how to feel about z-draco, seems to work fine

[cinder pendant]

oh and id rly rather keep zardy with gfire

[hollow radish]

Yea for sure lol

Also sorry late lol

[dense holly]

https://pokepast.es/20495315470db18a incomplete, any feedback and what could i run for the last slot?

[celest merlin]

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[frosty swallow]

https://pokepast.es/b6cd12bc8949c2c4
Thoughts?

[merry delta]

I feel Ogerpon-w would go well here, it gives you a more reliable wincon than Hypno rai which is nice. Not only that, it improves the rain mu a bit and gives you more wiggle room against stuff like pex, shifu, and Glisc too. As for the rest of the team, I would try to slot rocks somewhere (rocks > hp ice on mdia seems possible) and use specs Darkrai > Hypno here because those sets are mainly more Ho focused than this from what I’ve seen.

[dense holly]

i appreciate the feed back

[merry delta]

What is the Lando spread for?

[dense holly]

tbh it was just something i copied from a sample team, i knew i wanted lando in there somewhere but i didnt know which set i was gonna run

[merry delta]

You could try 2 things, one you could just do max def but I think you could try something with fast lando with like fog taunt with some speed, could try to outspeed modest bolt with that

Speaking of which the bolt matchup is pretty dire actually

Maybe you could try to slot a steel somewhere? Idk where though; maybe over mdia potentially with like a heatran or something. If that was the idea behind the team and you don’t want that removed I don’t know how you could solve that

[dense holly]

the idea was to build around mdia so i wanna try to keep it

[merry delta]

Well maybe over rai?

[dense holly]

hm

what would i put in?

[merry delta]

Heatran is my first guess

[dense holly]

hm

[merry delta]

Gives you better mu into sun and volc

[dense holly]

tbf

then half my team is weak to equake

[merry delta]

You have a pon / lando so I think it’s fine

[dense holly]

[merry delta]

I’d also try and consider idbp zama since that set is so good at doing wincon things

Hard to justify boots over it esp on this build

[dense holly]

my only worry was kinda getting punked by glowking

[merry delta]

Could try using taunt on Tran

[dense holly]

alr

[merry delta]

I think with that you have the general tools to beat gking

Toxic taunt on tran since you already have rocks on mdia probably works, just standard specially defensive works

[dense holly]

if im running taunt heatran, what lando build would be optimal here?

defog/toxic/u turn/equake maybe?

hell maybe sd over toxic

[cold fog]

Mmm ok tysm for the help :D

Sorry for late response I just saw this haha

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/ef05cbfe216d9154 - uncomplete
going for HO team with a setter and wallbreaker with 3 or 4 sweeper or 3 sweep and 1 cleaner, idk to go m-lopunny or m-gallade, any changes and adds apreaciated plz

[celest merlin]

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[cold fog]

Btw u added double focus blast on lele

I will change one to mb

[nocturne willow]

We only rate completely teams, please finish and test the team first before posting it here

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/49aa609a37952c67

[celest merlin]

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[scarlet heath]

https://pokepast.es/341c2aee0d0d2619

[celest merlin]

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[cold fog]

https://pokepast.es/fd5b53086385c9c7

[celest merlin]

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[dusky carbon]

emm where is destroy lonely

[cold fog]

my bad gangster

[wanton nymph]

https://pokepast.es/a06932e9d67f001b

replay

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2134309414

[celest merlin]

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[wanton nymph]

proud member of Big Stall™

[hardy flint]

@merry delta loves helping w stall

[cerulean karma]

the more viable stall comps tend to drop Mola for Dondozo and also run a Ground Immune mon

all of these sets look a bit suboptimal asw

[wanton nymph]

what about wo chien

[merry delta]

Ok so the first big issues I see is with Wo-chien and the sets; it’s not really a mon you want to use seriously and it will only just harm you in the long run. The sets are also suboptimal, and I suggest you use the sets in the smogdex for those mons in the future. And like Runo said, this stall composition doesn’t really mesh well in the current meta. I suggest using a build similar to the stall sample in that case.

[wanton nymph]

wo, i chien't believe how it can stall

[merry delta]

No ground is also a no go

[wanton nymph]

but is it a good time waster is the better question

[merry delta]

Who cares if it is a time waster if it isn’t even efficient in doing so

[wanton nymph]

You're right how could I have overlooked efficiency in Big Stall™

I'm keeping WOCHIEN though

It's funny and no one expects it

[merry delta]

I suggest you don’t, it’s not really viable and most good teams will be prepared for what it will do anyway

A lot of grounds will just shatter this to pieces along with stuff like heatran and Ogerpon-w

Most offenses (like some Lando, weav, and crown offense stuff) will be able to overwhelm you because there is no hazard control either especially on something fat like this. A lot of wincons like raging bolt and dd gouging fire will also exploit all the opportunities they can get from mola / protect pex and ferro which furthers the issue of the shaky defensive core

Overall for something like this I’d change the structure and composition to make it more efficient at just being a stall / fat team because it can’t really defend against the main offensive threats well and can’t really force progress back, I once again suggest looking at the stall sample or just using that outright for using stall

[cerulean karma]

most stall team comps look the same for a reason lol

[merry delta]

Yeah, the Chinese (sample) stall is just so consistent at what it does that straying away from it is usually a bad thing

[cerulean karma]

like generally its Fat Ground Type + Dozo + Chansey/Blissey + Corv/Skarm? + Toxapex + Filler

the Filler being smth like Msableye, Mola, or just a very specific check to something that the other 5 would lose to

[summer bobcat]

https://pokepast.es/c2f300e813257c30

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/c9b8362370a3527d

Screns

[scarlet heath]

https://pokepast.es/341c2aee0d0d2619

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/ac106d3ca287e947

[celest merlin]

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[summer bobcat]

no one even rates natdex huh

[cerulean karma]

people have lives outside of NDOU rating

[spiral pond]

Cook

[cold fog]

https://pokepast.es/fd5b53086385c9c7

[celest merlin]

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[dusky carbon]

where is destroy lonely

https://tenor.com/view/loudpacksef-yale-party-gif-13507332155705308425

[cold fog]

dawg just help wit the team

ill add him if its good enuf

[summer bobcat]

TAPU FINI NEW MEMBER OF OPIUM⁉️🔥🔥

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/09815ac6b898bc4b

[celest merlin]

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[summer bobcat]

Why do you have sash lead on a balance team

Kind of anti synergistic to have ferro and rotom paired with an HO lead

Either replace glim with like AV hrot or replace the last 3 guys with setup sweepers

[cobalt skiff]

sorry whats Hrot?

[merry delta]

Funnily enough there’s a team that’s very similar to this that’s an old sample team, it had dnite > Glimm so then waterpon and rain matchups would be better

[cerulean karma]

Samurott-H

[south mason]

Put this together earlier

https://pokepast.es/00399fe3204350fd

[cobalt skiff]

gotcha, btw shud i run max atk evs for lando-t, max spdef for ferro and max def for rotom? or keep them as they r?

[cobalt skiff]

yeah i think i saw that one, u think thats still viable?

[merry delta]

It can probably still work yea

[earnest cypress]

https://pokepast.es/c4b0eb50c27aa778

[celest merlin]

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[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/8ea202394a207571

[celest merlin]

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[hollow basalt]

wait glowking is meant to be regenerator

[thin vessel]

My trick room team vs a stall

https://pokepast.es/b0509343dd317490

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2137003310-sl2esidq2uytf4y80cvj3v3wwf1mgfxpw

[merry delta]

There is no reason for misty explosion on hatt because hwish is always the better move to click

Although I’m not a trick room expert there are also some other things that you could change. For example u want ice beam and toxic over psychic / moonlight on cress because you are sacking cress after setting trick room so moonlight is unnecessary. Ice beam helps to threaten one of the best mons in the tier in Gliscor too

Mmaw could be changed to standard sd but ig 4a is fine, if ur 4a use fire fang > sd

[thin vessel]

I almost never use misty explosion but when i do, its because need to to do damage and pivot out like to break a substitute

[merry delta]

That’s like a very weird scenario though and 95% of the time you should click hwish

[thin vessel]

exactly

[merry delta]

The meta isn’t full of sub users either

[thin vessel]

yeah but its just for those rare occasions

[merry delta]

Psyshock I think would just give more value

[thin vessel]

im not going to much neutral damage on anything with it and that would waste a turn of trick room

[merry delta]

Comparing Misty and psyshock psyshock should be the main one u go for since hwish is rlly nice on something like trick room

[thin vessel]

i have healing wish

[merry delta]

Misty prevents you from using Hwish, mb

[thin vessel]

i know but i rarely ever use it

[merry delta]

You also ever rarely use other moves besides tr / hwish but when one of those moves removes the chance to use ur best option besides setting trick room then that’s prob a net downside; psyshock in the rare cases u do click it doesn’t actively harm use of hatt’s best option

[thin vessel]

yeah but its pretty frail anyway so when trick room is down it'll rarely get the chance to put it back up or healing wish

[cerulean karma]

huh?

[merry delta]

Using Misty means you can’t hwish since well you explode with Misty

[cerulean karma]

Misty Explosion and not Misty Terrain

right

[thin vessel]

yea

[thin vessel]

bro choked

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2137069954

[merry delta]

This isn’t the place to post replays

[thin vessel]

mb

[pseudo flare]

do you guys rate natdex ou teams made for past gens like sword/shield?

[brave valve]

https://pokepast.es/b101fbefc63c82d6

[celest merlin]

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[brave valve]

I was thinking maybe I should replace scizor and Volcarona with something else for this team

The team kind of struggles against certain matchups like lele

[merry delta]

Volc should now ev to outspeed lop for future reference, no need for the sciz spread either just go standard

I’ll look at it more tomorrow

[brave valve]

appreciate it

[cerulean karma]

yes

[hearty salmon]

https://pokepast.es/2ffd524db1d68724

[summer bobcat]

OK I'm not a big expert but I think if you're going for rain usually you want more abusers like your whole team should focus around it. Ferro is good because the rain negates 4x fire weakness but you should have an electric like probably booster bolt and skewda

and whether or not its rain that is not a good lando set

Sash lando isn't bad necessarily like as an HO lead its OKay but that's not what that is. You don't want rocks and defog on the same Mon anyways but with that it just doesnt work man

So either ditch ferro peli and pert and make lando +speed nature with explosion over defog and replace the rain guys with other non weather setup sweepers, OR replace lando zama and volc with skewda bolt and another rain abuser

[nocturne willow]

If you want to run rain you need arch

[merry delta]

Rain needs Peli / arch / mswamp and those are mandatory

Something to help against sun / yard, lele check, something to deal with bolt, and filler depending on if ur using ferro

Arch isn’t really consistent as a lele check; I’d suggest just going ferro tbh especially since bolt has a super good mu into the style

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/b414b9c22d0e3395

[celest merlin]

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[hollow basalt]

I think lele 2hkos vest archaludon if it's not bulk invested

[limber crypt]

not really keen to clef here and this needs a ground type type so defensive lando > clef, this looks fine otherwise

[spiral pond]

Tornadus has Terastallized into the Steel-type!

The opposing Venusaur used Poison Jab!
It doesn't affect Tornadus...

Tornadus used Hurricane!
The opposing Venusaur avoided the attack!

This game

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/cb7166356e113e3f

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cunning finch]

https://pokepast.es/ab928493276dc4be

[cunning finch]

im no pro but why arent you running volt switch on koko

[gilded zephyr]

for ground mons but id still run it, its a nice stab that can pick up kills while repositioning into a better place and can even make situations worse for your opponents where you could j double into the mon there most likely to go if your like that

[wild sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/74a086410c9c0fe1

[spiral pond]

Go get a Ferro or a Treads bruh

[cunning finch]

this is crazy because i run treads on my ou team but didnt put him on nat dex

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/5de75e6e41a86442

[celest merlin]

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[civic saddle]

https://pokepast.es/6359a369cb8a5b35
Fun electric terrain team

[celest merlin]

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[spiral pond]

One flying is not enough

[civic saddle]

I also have leaves for ground types

I'm fine against them especially since hawlucha uses them as fodder

[spiral pond]

That doesn't count

I'm talking like

BULKY ground immune

[civic saddle]

it's a HO team

[spiral pond]

Like Corv or Lando

[civic saddle]

why would I put a corv on a HO team

[spiral pond]

Terrain lasts like 5 turns

How tf would you run this

[civic saddle]

Pinkacross reference

[civic saddle]

Do you not see the terrain extender on koko

[spiral pond]

You could run smth like scarf Lando tho

[civic saddle]

You just win the game in 20 turns

Which is a maximum of 3 terrains with koko

or less

[civic saddle]

meh I have enough speed control

thunderclap, booster speed val, booster speed leaves

hawlucha too

[spiral pond]

I just saw the bolt

It's feels odd

[civic saddle]

its pretty good

[spiral pond]

It works but like

[civic saddle]

quite good

[spiral pond]

Generically yes

But here

Of all places

[civic saddle]

it's a electric terrain team

and it's a electric seed rising voltage raging bolt

what about jt

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/de8fb8448c02716f

[civic saddle]

it's the standard set for electric terrain bolt

[spiral pond]

Here's my Terrain squad tho

Eterrain feels more bulky/balanced to me

[civic saddle]

Defog with electric terrain

[spiral pond]

Shit mb

That's supposed to be taunt

But I guess I was tired

[civic saddle]

I just prefer HO if I'm using electric terrain

There's a ton of dumb sweepers

[cold fog]

https://pokepast.es/c497716d0d103831

[civic saddle]

Hawlucha, raging bolt, even leaves and also mixed val

[spiral pond]

The main problem i see with HO E-Terrain is like ground type can have coverage moves

So one

Idk garchomp

And ur fucked

[spiral pond]

Where Stealth Rocks

[cold fog]

spikes

[spiral pond]

Not the same

[cold fog]

erm

[spiral pond]

Yeah

[cold fog]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/741945274901200897/900629931564883988/image0.gif

[civic saddle]

I just lead Koko and force it out

It doesn't wanna get ohkod by a potential dazzling/hp ice

Koko has a decent matchup against grounds

Other than scarf Lando t

[cold fog]

idk if i should just use lando instead of gliscor at this point

!GLISCARSON (Gliscor) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 244 HP / 252 SpD / 12 Spe
Careful Nature

• Earthquake
• Stealth Rock
• U-turn
• Taunt

[spiral pond]

Luna

[civic saddle]

unironically between 1500 and 1700 I've seen a singular ursaluna

[spiral pond]

Wtf

No way

Freddy fall off?

[civic saddle]

and I won that round with mixed val late game

I'm really not worried about ursaluna

[spiral pond]

Also I just remembered

Lele

Scorf Lele

[cold fog]

neither

[civic saddle]

yeah lele is a bit scuffed since you have to keep your mega mawile healthy but you can still win with leaves in that matchup

[spiral pond]

Smth like lele with yard

[civic saddle]

Koko lead is good against both of those

Cuz electric terrain overwrites psychic terrain of scarf lele

and ar that point I just go hard into mawile

[spiral pond]

Wouldn't you keep lele in the back?

[civic saddle]

well what would my opp lead against Koko anyways

[spiral pond]

Tera water tusk

Actually no

Washtom

Volt switch t1

[civic saddle]

why would they sacrifice Tera turn one

[civic saddle]

washtom with zard y doesn't exist
I've not seen a single one on the ladder. I've seen alomomola + zard y but washtom doesn't like hydro pump damage decrease

[spiral pond]

Sun doesn't do that?

That's Hurricane no?

Hydro 110 bp 80 acc no additional effect

[civic saddle]

sun decreases damage of water type damage
hurricane damage stays the same

110 is reduced by 50 percent in sun

[spiral pond]

Oh damage

Washtom only is weak to grass which any fire resist

[civic saddle]

you'd rather just want something like alomomola with zard y

flip turn damage doesn't matter

[spiral pond]

I've seen it but like not recently

[civic saddle]

anyways I can play around lele

[spiral pond]

Washtom on sun is fun af

Wanna take this to #comp-general-2

[civic saddle]

I have to go now anyways si

[spiral pond]

Bye

[cold fog]

https://pokepast.es/7119500bc38e31f7

[summer bobcat]

@spiral pond you're so wrong

[spiral pond]

Why would you at me w/o replying?

[rose cipher]

https://pokepast.es/5118035436f65040
My main team

[celest merlin]

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[nocturne willow]

Ok so you’re using Pikachu which is unviable, and all of your sets are unviable as well

I would recommend using a sample team to learn the metagame first, you can find them here

[celest merlin]

National Dex (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Tournament schedule
• C&C reservation index
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[rose cipher]

I use Pikachu because I like him

Is there a mode where hes good?

[nocturne willow]

Not to my knowledge

[rose cipher]

Oh

:[

[crimson mulch]

ADV NU

[celest merlin]

NU (Gen 3)

No resources found

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[crimson mulch]

oh

Resources should be on the Dex Page tho

[civic saddle]

randbats

Just skillfully get Pikachu every time

Could work on webs team in like ZU or wherever it isc

Cuz lower tiers have 190 webs userd

https://pokepast.es/1b4f012b184bc6c1
Webs team which I've been doing decent with

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild sentinel]

I need help not getting murdered by Darkrai
https://pokepast.es/5325a7345abb8238

[spiral pond]

Balanced Hackmons

[crimson mulch]

No its not very good there rn afaik

[spiral pond]

Not even old gens?

[cerulean karma]

its fishing kinda

[spiral pond]

Oh

[crisp osprey]

‘

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/2cb331cec2c4536e

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cerulean karma]

why am I using this over Koko again?

also that Latios spread looks really bad

[spiral pond]

I didn't know what to use so I picked a random shitmon

From one of these boxes (the arch is power herb arch with Meteor Beam, they're all shitmons)

[nocturne willow]

ok we don't help with random gimmicks or arbitrary restrictions

[graceful hill]

what should I change here?

other than the crobat I feel like it has some good set up

[nocturne willow]

Wrong channel, natdex non-ou rates is for ubers team, but also crobat is completely unviable in the tier and should be dropped

[spiral pond]

Ypu can tell me to remove the trode its fine, I'm just showing you

Also if I ran koko I'd prolly also run mmedi