NatDex OU Rates

[feral canopy]

and that something is opposing darkrai

[pale spear]

its ok u can just dodge

[redacted]

[feral canopy]

what if they are a honest set

[hardy gust]

basically just trust

[feral canopy]

💪😼

ok bye

[hardy gust]

ty

[feral canopy]

dchris can help u with the rest

[spiral pond]

Dragon Magnezone: https://pokepast.es/ef3f0f4029eefd8f

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral pond]

There is a glaring ground weakness that I missed

Damn

[carmine hamlet]

that is true

[feral canopy]

there is

a lot of issues with this

namely, dragmag doesnt work this gen, or really any gen post bw

one, because fairys are a thing, and two, because dragons are much more complicated now than just spamming outrage

gouging doesnt care about steels, bolt only cares about ferro which frankly you can still beat, arch is a bad mon and especially with that set your not getting past most teams anyways, malt is really the only usable mon that works well with zone, but even then you cant dedicate a whole team to it

glimm is also a poor lead, and balloon means ur team is gonna lose to lele

[upper bobcat]

How does this team look? Any way I can improve it?

Gardevoir @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Trace
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Psychic
• Moonblast
• Draining Kiss
• Calm Mind

Blaziken @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Close Combat
• Swords Dance
• Protect

Absol @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Justified
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Close Combat
• Sucker Punch
• Swords Dance
• Shadow Claw

Mimikyu @ Ghostium Z
Ability: Disguise
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Shadow Sneak
• Drain Punch
• Play Rough
• Swords Dance

Torterra @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Overgrow
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature

• Giga Drain
• Curse
• Earthquake
• Rock Blast

Tinkaton (F) @ Steelium Z
Ability: Mold Breaker
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Careful Nature

• Gigaton Hammer
• Stealth Rock
• Knock Off
• Encore

[feral canopy]

1, you should use pokepaste next time when posting teams, its much more concise and easy to read

[upper bobcat]

Oop, thanks for the advice

[feral canopy]

and 2, the team unfortunately looks not good, nearly every mon on the team is unviable and the ones that are are very specific and use different sets

[upper bobcat]

Yeah I was aware that this team is 100% shitmons, I was just wondering how I can make them a little less shit

[hardy gust]

ok minor mishap

no hazard removal🤑

[upper bobcat]

Because I have too little brain space to look through every viable mon to see which ones I actually like (Clodsire, go drown in your ideals and die)

[feral canopy]

Well

you cant lol

they are shitmons for a reason

your not going to get far with it

[upper bobcat]

I’m gonna go search through the OU tier and see which ones I actually like, because if I see another Clodsire, I am going to scream

[feral canopy]

👍

clodsire is also not good, so dont worry

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[full blaze]

is sun still viable

[marsh blaze]

This is the rmt thread

Ask in #comp-general or the actual ND discord

[shrewd ruin]

Trying to make a team with Iron leaves, this is what I have so far https://pokepast.es/b2394045a85d02ac

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fiery iris]

https://pokepast.es/f9253ccbb28afb5b

It's HO

[crude stump]

Mlop -> val or boulder

Koko’s av should be boots or specs or it can be screen setter it’s up to you

No need to use tera poison + sludge wave on gren. Just go tera water and priority

Go adamant on hawl where does the 4spa comes from

and use close combat over drain punch

[full blaze]

ik i figured i would ask before posting a team

https://pokepast.es/977a84c3b9960846

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[full blaze]

i did not know to go GT or Lando so i did both

thinking of replacing ran for gouging

i just dont know what set to run

i think this set would work idk though

Gouging Fire @ Life Orb
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 4 HP / 244 Atk / 8 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Scale Shot
• Heat Crash
• Earthquake
• Morning Sun

[proven zenith]

https://pokepast.es/f845e193e3a01a7d my teal mask playthrough team [my monkey got banned, had to replace with Fionna]

[marsh blaze]

Calm mind on specs 💀

[proven zenith]

Well to be fair, this is my first time using a choice item, and I didn't change my move 💀

[feral canopy]

you should probably check out the samples, every mon on here barring waterpon is unviable

[proven zenith]

Sample?

[feral canopy]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/

would not recommend the crown gouging lop team bfw

farmed by sd gliscor

[lofty frost]

https://pokepast.es/7d9e79446ee8aa0b

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude stump]

probably scarf shifu and spdef lando

too many pivots what do you think the great hidin

[lofty frost]

shifu i mean

[feral canopy]

this is not haed

just make mzor a scarf lele and drop zapdos for torn

or scarf shifu and make last ummmm

act nah waterpon goes a bit crazy here

i like the original idea of z tran + shifu tho

but idt u need it w gking anyways

oh im dunb

rai last

https://pokepast.es/d62a63a0c3ed3ee7

if u want to go the z tran shifu route

https://pokepast.es/cc698c8e5323a576

i might be a genius.

[hollow basalt]

That torn spread seems awfully specific

Is there anything you need specifically 108 hp for to where the extra 12 points in defenses would be better

[feral canopy]

something something scarf lele lop

[spiral pond]

Solar approved of this so should be fine to ladder w/, just checking: https://pokepast.es/e845ad55e1a041ad

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dusk flare]

this team is dogged on by lele, gren is mediocre speed control, and nihi thuds into a lot of common mons rn (glisc / tran / iron crown etc); i'd suggest replacing gren -> alomomola, make kommo-o an iron valiant, nihi -> spdef slowking galarian slowking and kartana rocks ferro, then make lando fog > rocks and remove the 4 speed evs too (can make it 30 speed ivs for a better mu into opposing lando iyw)

im abt to go to sleep so you can resend for someone else to check probably

[glad rampart]

https://pokepast.es/b863e844d9513ae7
I’m not upper ladder with this yet only 1400 after playing like 2 hours but what y’all think? Could it work long term or just lower elo

[native aurora]

https://pokepast.es/9858daa9ed371990
Mates are having a mini Pokemon tourni, Gen 9 Nat Dex, no Z moves or Mega evolutions, Tera allowed. Anyone able to rate this team? I have limited knowledge of comp pokemon but I've tried to put something together.

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt skiff]

this

oh wait oops

[dusk flare]

rocks lando t > ursaluna, galarian slowking > raging bolt, make koko tera grass with hp ice > dazzling gleam and roost > defog, make rilla a np defog torn

[glad rampart]

Doesn’t that hard loose to rain, or loose to any electric type that can break Lando?

Idk maybe I have to get used to it but it doesn’t feel great

[feral canopy]

Rain is very mediocre rn, but you are right it is a bit of a struggle

all the elecs are walled by gking anyways, so ur fine by that

[glad rampart]

It’s just cuz I’m lower elo atm so people bring stuff you wouldn’t see ussually

Also what does this team do in front of volc?

Also smthn like this? https://pokepast.es/f754214f63b4e8fd

Also kinda flops into urshifu

Scarfed at least

You can play around it reasonably

[dusk flare]

gking should be boots chilly reception, its the far better set rn

also means you can feasibly use a bulkier sciz set after scouting vs stuff like lele w gking

@feral canopy do u have that one np fog torn spread on u

the one that lives smth vs lele / mlop

[glad rampart]

This team seems like it’d be good into higher elo teams

But unless I just suck

It gets pummeled by the random lower elo teams

I dropped a solid 200 elo with it lol

Maybe I’m just bad with the team

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude stump]

I think the structure overall is good enough

but i'd recommend band gfire with speed boost in sun since you have enough setup sweepers

ival's slot can probably be changed as well but it's up to you ig

[feral canopy]

try epack on bolt too

i think thats better on these teams

Yes

and outrage over msun

[pale spear]

LOOOOOOOOOL LMFAOOOOOOOOOO whats up "most likely to "retire"" @feral canopy

[feral canopy]

.

[celest linden]

Legendary pokemon and paradox mons aren't allowed, rate and give recommendations

[celest linden]

Also, same rules apply to everyone I play with, my school as pokemon tournaments somehow some way so.

Not officially but the SC is having one as the game in next week

[marsh blaze]

Only 4 pokemon

?

[celest linden]

No you can have a team comprised of 4 but you're supposed to have 6. All I could come up with is the 4 above

Like I said however, the teams aren't allowed to have legendary pokemon on them, but shaymin is allowed

[marsh blaze]

Why is Mega Gengar allowed

[celest linden]

Other mythical mons weren't for some reason

[celest linden]

It's Nat Dex

Z moves and mega allowed

[marsh blaze]

It's still mega gengar

I know megas are allowed

[celest linden]

It's gen 7 style with gen 9 pokemon allowed, banned paradox, mythical, and legendaries, As well as some of the hisui pokemon

[marsh blaze]

There are a ton of bans

[celest linden]

Been thinking about using helioptile and quagsire

[marsh blaze]

Btw this is for full teams so you should ask in #comp-general or smth

[celest linden]

Apparently I wasn't allowed to

[feral canopy]

Yeah you wont get much luck finding help here

its best you ask for help from other friends or in your discord server

Not much people here will put in the effort to learn your tier just to help you with your rate, unfortunately

best of luck tho

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/84823df0f905d2c0

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vast tendon]

so what we thinking to change here then?

maybe like scarf kart over sciz?

and looking at it im thinking lele over rai

[nocturne willow]

https://pokepast.es/d7f080822d78326a
Wanted to build around specs rai ended up building this wack ass team

Don't ask me about the scizor ivs i stole them from hidin

[feral canopy]

im ngl i think fog zor is kinda balls unless ur using fat

i think the idea of rock z zama + sd zor could be cool tho

[nocturne willow]

i was desperate for hazard removal

(i forgot to have one)

[feral canopy]

unfortunately this looks decently goobed by brokenpon

[nocturne willow]

damn

[feral canopy]

i think u got a good idea in mind tho

ill help w the actual build tmmrw bc i have to sleep but

i think focusing on a structure like rock z zama + mzor + fs and/or other breaker

is a good start

just cohesion wise its a bit bleh

[nocturne willow]

yeah its definitely not my best

have a gn

[feral canopy]

its a good start

gn

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/459fe5919034deb8

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt skiff]

Good?

[feral canopy]

Not good

[cobalt skiff]

mega slowbro no recovery

[feral canopy]

https://pokepast.es/caea5a2388151d38 @nocturne willow

i havent tested this

but

it looks cash

[nocturne willow]

I just cope with hazards?

[feral canopy]

oh u want crunch on zama too

[feral canopy]

O

Hm

i forgit it was this torn set

Uno momento

[nocturne willow]

Defog over taunt on torn?

[feral canopy]

maybe yeah

[nocturne willow]

Aight I gtg but tyvm

[feral canopy]

No taunt is so balls thi

Hm

@nocturne willow im ngl i think this hella needs taunt

sp drop plotter for that methinks

[glad rampart]

https://pokepast.es/698200910140dce2

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt skiff]

Yh i have slack off now

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/227f1e5b68ff733b

[cobalt skiff]

How to improve

[feral canopy]

these mons dont work together barring the terrain mons, full terrain w alolachu is not good, but koko moth is

[cobalt skiff]

Oh i forgot

[feral canopy]

lmk what u want to keep and what u don't

ill make something tmmrw

[cobalt skiff]

I updated it

[feral canopy]

Swnd

Send

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/3910ed1c59a9fc80

Pretend treads has jolly nature

[feral canopy]

Er

this might be worse

[cobalt skiff]

Burh

[feral canopy]

nuke everything except koko moth if u want to go that route

treads is balls

[cobalt skiff]

It’s ou

[feral canopy]

blissey is only on stall

[cobalt skiff]

And cleans hazards

[feral canopy]

yeah so is mega banette

and that guy sucks

[feral canopy]

does an awful job

tusk does it betyer

better

[cobalt skiff]

What about quark drive

[feral canopy]

i think i made a medi koko moth team

recently

sec

https://pokepast.es/974d93b8d165ae86

make ferro tera dragon and twave > gyro, and change eject button to lefties

[cobalt skiff]

Ok

[feral canopy]

then this shld be fine

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/7b9985aa57f366ae

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

How Does It Make Sense?

[marsh blaze]

💀
https://pokepast.es/8d73d82cece49a4c

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude stump]

Poor hazard control, scarf thundrus isn’t good, almost 6-0 by waterpon with superpower

[marsh blaze]

https://pokepast.es/48017d67415aad7e
Untested version

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[marsh blaze]

I'm keeping craw

[marsh blaze]

Ignore this

I realized how shit it was the moment i finished the team

Also damn it's already been 6hrs?

[spring imp]

any noticable flaws with this team?

https://pokepast.es/5b62313158df6d69

[feral canopy]

setup crown there is very random

nothing supports it sweeping

this is not a ho

that gliscor set is god awful

u also cant really deal with mzor, best you can do is try to rk with zama or lele but if they play well you will lose

[spring imp]

what could i replace crown with

medicham?

what could i change with gliscor

[full blaze]

gliscor is good

the set tho

look at sample sets

or smogon analysis

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/gliscor/national-dex/

there is the one for gliscor

i seen what i could make in a fast time and i made this https://pokepast.es/45b78a2da374e2f4

[cobalt skiff]

Gliscor has spikes and defog

Counters each other

[full blaze]

also why 1 attack IV

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/0d997aecc5fa5845 how's this looking? my usual laddering team

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

u can just go pex over gking here

better anyways defensively for this

u dont need fs and u lose to lop

altho then this begins to look eerily similiar to

https://pokepast.es/1fb847e7dc2f1e5a

which IMO executes the idea a little better

because in its current state

u lack proper speed control

u dont have a proper way to best gking for ur zama

n idt dia works well as a breaker alongside zama anyways

@hollow basalt

if u want to go a different direction id be happy to help tho

[shrewd ruin]

Working on Xurkitree Hyper Offense web team https://pokepast.es/5d51de300e5c2bc1

[hollow basalt]

I could probably start with a few things
If I replace gking with a toxic spikes pex then replace dia with some kind of fast mon that could work

I'm not a massive fan of swords dance gliscor, feels like it's wasting the utility it offers
Nor a fan of the double ground flying

So it would still be fairly different

[full blaze]

idk about mega hera tbh.

it would work well on webs but if someone is aggressive enough and webs dont get up

then its just

there

[full blaze]

been trying to fix or change this

i dont want to deveate considering ive only really played hyper offence or pure offence

[spring imp]

its unsaveable bruh

but i think you could do it

my hands cannot cook something up fr

[full blaze]

here is the main issue

scizor screws over your hole team

and bc it can learn cc

alot of the checks i used in gen 7 and such

no longer works well

nevermind my calc screwed up

i tried this

https://pokepast.es/639c3851051b5c4a

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[full blaze]

not by best the best

[marsh blaze]

https://pokepast.es/e2f12b762d52b108

[shrewd ruin]

What do you think I should replace it with? And what other 2 mons do you think would work well?

[dusk flare]

wouldnt really use crawdaunt in this tier much, doesnt have a favorable typing / mu into a lot of common mons and ones that are increasing in usage and can often just be a more consistent breaker like urshifu or zama

in the future tho id refrain from using non cc rocks + spin tusk, rlly needs all 3 slots to actually function

[marsh blaze]

What if i replace craw with banded hsamu

[dusk flare]

maybe not cb but thats a much more suitable replacement too ye

not sure how i forgot it existed

[marsh blaze]

Should i go SD HSamu, rocks garg, replace rocks on tusk with cc

But then i don't got immediate power

[dusk flare]

i was thinking smth like lele > tios, idbp zama > tusk, rocks tran > corv, and fog lando > garg, w tera dragon > steel on gking too

sd hsam isnt that good, prefers encore to mess with stuff like mola more

[marsh blaze]

What coverage move should i run on zama

[dusk flare]

heavy slam or crunch work

[marsh blaze]

https://pokepast.es/dd48ebdb04f5bcb8

This?

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude stump]

tera dark if you wanna play band hsam

also i feel like i say this 90% of the time but this is so weak to waterpon

zama can't hard switch in, which means you almost have to sack one mon every time pon switches in

or use tera

[marsh blaze]

https://pokepast.es/1310afa91a459ae0
What about this team

Same as the craw one but i just replace craw with samu

Why

[dusk flare]

the ogerpon answer is always tera lets be real guys...

Right.

and theres ur issue...

.

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/265997e4764ac078

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dusk flare]

galarian slowking > gouging fire, make lando eq/toxic/stealth rock/uturn with a spread of 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD (and 30 Spe IVs if u want for a slower uturn into opposing lando), weav > serperior, nasty plot defog torn > zapdos

[feral canopy]

Oh nah

this zapdos set

is somehow worse

than the hurricane one

LOL

Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature

• Defog
• Discharge
• Roost
• U-turn

[dusk flare]

yeah.

[marsh blaze]

Lmao

[round canopy]

https://pokepast.es/c96445b28795835c

my first time trying teambuilding, not sure what I should be looking out for. I wanted to make Volcarona and this Fini set work because this Fini is a nice bait to trap Blissey and Pex, but either than that, I just threw together random teammates and hope something stuck to the wall. Any advice or replacements?

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude stump]

I don’t think defog torn is still a good choice

[dusk flare]

fog torn is good, just not utility torn

where spikers like ferro sit on u for days

[crude stump]

not sure how to fix the structure

[dusk flare]

tbh i think just rockium z zama > iron valiant and galarian slowking > volcarona

fini slot im unsure on bc in theory its good for something like pex / gking especially with tera

which works well with sciz + zama

normally i think that mon is balls tho

could be cool here tho

@round canopy if ur still here

[round canopy]

tyty

so Offensive Torn over utility Torn and replace Valiant with Z Zamazenta?

also glowking > volc got it

[dusk flare]

make it offensive defog

Ability: Regenerator  
Tera Type: Ground  
EVs: 108 HP / 4 Def / 136 SpA / 8 SpD / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
- Nasty Plot  
- Hurricane  
- Defog  
- Knock Off```

something like this

not fly z tho

just boots and maybe taunt > knock iyw but then make sciz knock if u do that

[round canopy]

cool tyty

[dusk flare]

np

[shrewd ruin]

https://pokepast.es/5c139d935bc49518 Hyper Offense Web Xurkitree team

[dusk flare]

you should only be posting finished teams here, altho this wouldn't be too good regardless because webs prefers better abusers

[shrewd ruin]

Ight, sorry!

ndou, not sure how I feel about it. I like xurkitree and bisharp, but the rest I'm not sure if I should change. https://pokepast.es/7238d8d86a452679

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

i would really not recommend webs rn, they really suck without gambit and ghold

your webs are just gonna get spinned off

90% of the mons in the tier also run boots

[shrewd ruin]

Ight, I'll try something else! But as far as a web team goes, how does it look?

[dusk flare]

Ok

[dusty sapphire]

looking for help on improving this team

https://pokepast.es/f80d3b15cbbe3dc7

any pokemon i should switch out (besides zeraora) or moves i should switch out

i notice i seem to struggle against stallers a lot

mostly substitute users

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[novel narwhal]

Wrong place mb

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/26b0d98c57c95a58

[marsh blaze]

https://pokepast.es/9ee3dbfd730caa1e

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[marsh blaze]

[feral canopy]

there is a mega sceptile and a choice band valiant

[marsh blaze]

Yes

[full blaze]

y

what does mega sceptile do there

[full blaze]

@marsh blaze why mega sceptile

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/1a0b684f648c5e7b thinking of maybe going koko bolt over gouging lele

[sharp pendant]

my HO team keeps getting shit on by stall teams

is it supposed to be this misreable or am i doing something wrong

[crude stump]

that's pretty normal for most ho teams nowaday

[sharp pendant]

how are you supposed to beat stall teams

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/730fbf2e5388d49d

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral pond]

Short explanation of everything here
Blace: I wanted to use blace, that's it.
Shifu: Setup sweeper, water type (fwg moment), I played vgc while making this team
Meows: Grass, pivot, fast af, not really weak to flying bc just protean
Tusk: the fastest relevant suicude lead rocker with taunt (it needs booster speed to hold that title tho)
Val: tbolt go brr, it helps with dragons and maybe fliers if I tera
Tran: fairy weakness, Dragon weakness, it's grassium bc I hate mola with a passion
(Yes I am very weak to flying, im here for a REASON)

[crude stump]

no hazard control, no flying type, speed isn’t too good overall, lele can almost 6-0 the team since tran isn’t bulky, waterpon can 6-0, darkrai, koko, zama, mlop

Pretty much every offensive threats

Torn, lando… the list can go on

If you wanna build balance with blace you should consider more pivots

Stuff like alo, gking, zap/torn

Since you’ll need them to bring blace in and make sure you have hazard control

[spiral pond]

No, I wanna build ho teams

[spiral pond]

Offensive Tran can't beat lele?

Oh shit

Cool

[crude stump]

It can force lele off for 1-2 switches

cuz scarf psychic does like 30%

If you get rocks on, it can’t really switch in

[spiral pond]

O shit

[marsh blaze]

Mold breaker mons

[marsh blaze]

Or things like Luna

Stored power mons

Etc.

[dusty sapphire]

Can i get some help improving this team i wanna know if there's any pokemon (besides zeraora) or moves i should replace

https://pokepast.es/2b6ade02821e1688

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

zeraora

[pale spear]

see: chrispbacon xtrashine ho team, replace leaves for ferro/crown and replace val for mmedi

if ur running crown lando shld prob also be rocks

[dusty sapphire]

Do i keep their moves or is their any i should change

Also is "ferro" ferrothorn

[pale spear]

uhh

koko needs hpice/dazzle

extender cld be fine ig but i also like z/boots

ferro means ferrothorn yes

[feral canopy]

koko needs ice

u cannot drop that shit

[pale spear]

shame

[feral canopy]

FHIS WAS SO LONG AGO

[dusty sapphire]

Is medi medicham

I'm not too wwll memorized with all the pkm names

[feral canopy]

Yes

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/a9c763062894a602

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

whats the spd on lando for

focus is also better on yard

sands is not that good

esp now

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/260c53e157569881

[crude stump]

Get yourself a fairy resistance

[dusky carbon]

chary

[crude stump]

What if there’s rock and a fairy type

[dusky carbon]

Only diancie

[sharp pendant]

why is everyone spamming flip turn

[vast tendon]

would it be crazy if i ran celesteela over zama?

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/6d1042d9eafe3d5d i prefer this anyways

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/bc51a62e8c56c932

[spiral pond]

Have I posted this here b4: https://pokepast.es/acc139e87ecbb21f

[shell briar]

https://pokepast.es/4faa159c961d14ca

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[full blaze]

@marsh blaze you still have not explained what mega sceptile does

[full blaze]

you dont know how to team build?

bro you cooked

only issue i see that there is rapid spin and defog

that is a slight issue tho

other than that

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/6d1042d9eafe3d5d

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[shell briar]

thats crazy once in a lifetime miracle

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/becb3d5c737fa162

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wintry gorge]

https://pokepast.es/89bc95a8de6f1b1a

just made a gen8 ndou team

how do i counter zard-y lead?

[pale spear]

Generally yard teams r bad matchups vs rain but i can give some pointers for the mu

The most common yard team uses yard/kart/fini/lando/Weav and then one of tini or Tran

If ur anticipating them to lead yard what u wanna do is lead one of ur waters (preferably a faster one) and try to bait out the solar beam

If u want to after that u can try pivoting into a grass resist on solar beam but that can get risky super quickly

[wintry gorge]

so like maybe water to ferro then pelipper?

[pale spear]

Ur aim is to go pelipper asap to override the sun

[pale spear]

Yeah although again it’s a massive risk

[wintry gorge]

ya maybe he just predict it and do fire blast

[pale spear]

U can make the matchup easier with weavile> gren

Which at least threatens a Ohko vs it so u can scare it more or even pursuit it

It depends on how u like to play + what u think you’ll face

[wintry gorge]

ok

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/41473ee180c0252c

Grassium Tran goes hard

[spiral pond]

RmT tho

[spiral pond]

The reason I built this is to run grassium tran & yard

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral pond]

Hey, it worked

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/29512676274baed4

[nocturne willow]

https://pokepast.es/e04d975fa58108d8
no idea what im doing

[nocturne willow]

@feral canopy this one

[feral canopy]

ye ik

what was the idea w this

idr get it

[nocturne willow]

Specs darkrai

And then idk kinda spiraled from there

Wanted to build a balance team to support, then added mola for wish support + pivot, then mlop for speed control and I kinda tossed on lele for no reason ngl

[feral canopy]

hm

let me eat first

ill come back to this

[nocturne willow]

Aight

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/41473ee180c0252c

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/44c7999cb1832785
weird grass spam team that abuses the earthquake damage debuff on grassy terrain
was half tempted to do the grass z heatran meme but tera is more valuable defensively

[spiral pond]

I'm looking at this shit and I'm like "No Rilla?"

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/29590dbf606cc527

[limber crypt]

does eball val actually hit anything? Id just go tbolt/encore bc nothing comes to mind, other than that i think the team looks but i would do tusk > treads (this is mostly a preference thing as i dont like treads and u have a steel + alternative means to neuter lele)

[limber crypt]

sr > protect on gliscor, id run a diff fogger than molt here but im not rly sure what i would do instead (zap and tusk overlap with other mons)

[hollow basalt]

It was more for flavour tbh
It still hits the bulky waters as hard while not being immune on clodsire

Thunderbolt is better though ye

Treads to me made a bit more sense with the ice neutrality + pivot access but I suppose it's just personal choice

I didn't like having absolutely no pivot moves cause it made getting val in without sacking a mon really hard

Same reason I prefer bulu, the natural bulk made it easier to switch in with

[craggy lynx]

https://pokepast.es/c83e3b4a4033d5a1
how can i improve this?

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

i think mlop > lele, ferro > sciz, and i think gking > zap with spikescor should work for this

[nocturne willow]

:(

[cerulean sky]

https://pokepast.es/9f58169604f39085

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

i am a dirty liar

[feral canopy]

Hm

@nocturne willow im ngk

just darkrai is so broad

like

https://pokepast.es/2f8a18cdb8b1b312

this is a team i helped someone else here makw

same concept me thinks

js rai lop

idt fight z lele helps much here

[nocturne willow]

Yeah it was just “o I need a z user I need a special attacker hmmm”

[feral canopy]

u dont need a z user

u habe a darakra

[nocturne willow]

Ty

[feral canopy]

👍

[cerulean sky]

what can i change here

[novel escarp]

https://pokepast.es/39b321a7db510c7e nat dex doubles team, want to only use pokemon gen 5 and earlier (besides megas ofc). Howd i do? sand team

[nocturne willow]

this is natdex ou singles

[novel escarp]

Oh

I didn't see a natdex ou doubles

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/0252c2b0f28f604d

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

I think this is fine as is, but id personally do hdb zama and scarf lele for speed control and more flexibility in breaking

[vast tendon]

stellar tera on zama?

[limber crypt]

fighting or steel, ive seen stellar on occasion but idt zama needs the boosted power when u cc everything to death

[crude stump]

Steel boots zama is probably better

Also I’d prefer physically defensive lando with helmet

[vast tendon]

i went spdef cuz i have none on the team except ferro

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/34fb1f2585cc9930

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/cd2be8a259ba3a3c

[dusk flare]

adem has said this to someone else here but webs isnt rlly playstyle id recommend at this point in the tier, it lost a lot of good tools in ghold/gambit etc and kind of struggles when mons like glisc and torn are top tier foggers that render the playstyle obsolete

its better to just use a much more normal ho

[dusk flare]

pex > ogerpon, glisc > lando, make koko roost > dazzling gleam + heavy duty boots, focus blast > aura sphere on iron valiant, psyshock + aura sphere > draco meteor and ice beam on latias, and make heatran tera grass w/ taunt + earth power > toxic and protect

[paper sable]

https://pokepast.es/c7d1fd8abaa30573

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fickle wolf]

https://pokepast.es/ae3f96827c20f8d9

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wind whale]

team advice https://pokepast.es/b4b4fad01a0a7058

[dusk flare]

there are a lot of suboptimal sets here

dirge shouldnt be non boots ever, tran doesnt even have a set, specs serp / koko are bad, mtias shouldnt be running dual stabs, and mola prefers tox 99% of the time

the team also isnt very cohesive

id suggest using a sample (we have a mega latias one) before building on your own

!natdexsamples

[celest merlin]

National Dex (ND) Sample Teams
Gen 9 ND Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712170/
Gen 9 ND OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3714863/
Gen 9 ND UU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3725988/
Gen 9 ND RU: WIP
Gen 9 ND Monotype: WIP
Gen 9 ND Doubles OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3720802/
Gen 8 ND OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3716948/post-9521589
Gen 8 ND UU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3672486/
Last Updated <t:1705462750:f>

[dusk flare]

similarly i think a lot here just isnt cohesive either, meow and tusk (with these sets at least) are pretty bad on ho, and you also have a sciz with no actual way to reliably beat its checks; id also take a look at the more offensively oriented samples before trying to build something of your own

synergy between mons is important and trying to check boxes / add mons you think will work without building intentionally isn't gonna work

[fickle wolf]

Sorry to say but I don't really understand the big problem, is it alright to break it down in simpler terms or give a team similar/an upgrade of my team?

[dusk flare]

spikes glisc > lando, np fog torn > ting lu, id probs make zama cb as well and ttar rocks instead of dd; make gking tera dragon too

[dusk flare]

what parts didnt you understand? sorry if i made it sound complicated but ill be happy to simplify it

there isnt a direct "upgrade" to this

besides me just giving you a normal hyper offense team

[fickle wolf]

I don't really know how to find synergies in my team

[dusk flare]

ah

ok, take this for example

msciz is incredibly annoyed by stuff like zap, volcarona, gouging fire, etc; you want mons that can wear them down or render them worse against scizor (take mons like dragonite, for example)

urshifu is hard walled by dondozo and is annoyed by toxapex, so you want stuff to beat it too

[fickle wolf]

So would those 2 be my cores and I should build my team to go against their flaws?

[dusk flare]

you can build around mega scizor + dragonite instead yeah, im just afraid it might turn out to be a worse version of well-known teams that have those two already

[fickle wolf]

Would I have to completely build my team from scratch? Cuz I'm not against the idea of using already built successfull teams but I just find team building in itself fun too

[dusk flare]

you can build from scratch, yeah

you can send it here when you're done and me / someone else can take a look

[fickle wolf]

Tysm for your help, and one last question: so the main goal right now is to build around mscizor and dragonite to help with their flaws? And what should I be taking note of?

[dusk flare]

keep in mind stuff like what walls dragonite / scizor and mons you can add to cover for them and what revenge kills the two that they dont cover themselves (e.g. scizor is revenge killed by steel resists like rotom wash and raging bolt and would need a partner to take care of them)

[fickle wolf]

Ohhhhh alright I think I get it now, thank u so much!

[dusk flare]

mhm

[midnight vault]

Can someone assist me in determining if a trade in natdex draft is fair

[dusk flare]

you'll have better luck in the draft discord server

[celest merlin]

https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

[south pendant]

https://pokepast.es/d410bc33c1f60dd0

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[south pendant]

Mono fire

[crude stump]

are you playing monotype

or you just wanna have fun

you don't have hazard control. HW clef is bad. ash greninja is pretty much a rain-only mon now. you can put defog on lando and rock on clef if you don't wanna change like half of the team

[south pendant]

This one

[crude stump]

due to battle bond's nerf ash gren is more like a one-time breaker/cleaner now

oh it's gen8 my bad

i didn't notice that sry

then maybe the part on defog, but i'm not an expert of gen8

[feral canopy]

wat

???

ash gren is most definitely not a rain only mon lol

and hw clef is fine lol

what is the direction you want to head with this

maw gren?

yeah no

not the direction

https://pokepast.es/2db8a8f5c7639c46 @cobalt skiff

fill this up w the sample sets

spd tran scarf lando 3a zap bulky fini

probably

its a fairlu standard build

there are a lot of similiar structures

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

hm

maybe you can make lando defog and fini trapper

both versions work tho

try them out

👍

[fickle wolf]

https://pokepast.es/49c8a87dec0c1ea2

Would love to hear thoughts, recommendations and improvements.

[feral canopy]

Um

yeah

[feral canopy]

this is not very good

double utility tusk is too much compression

band dnite is a bad set

hatt needs a lot of support to be worth using

you have clay tales without veil

and nothing is supported by it

there is a lack of cohesiveness in general w this

[fickle wolf]

Yeah the ninetails was an accident sorry, immediately changed to veil

But how can I make the team better? Is it the pokemon or the sets I've used?

[feral canopy]

Well

its a combination

tales is kind of a poor screener imo

and in general nothing here except shifu cares for it

it also synergises opposingly with dnite

hatt is too slow of a wincon to rely on screens

[fickle wolf]

Would something like a glimmora be better with hazards?

[feral canopy]

Well

Yes

But

it involves overhauling your entire team

dd dnite volc shifu sd 3a mzor

glimm

and last can be whatever you think fits best

[fickle wolf]

Tysm! Is it alright if I send the improved team again?

[feral canopy]

yes

[fickle wolf]

Would Hatterene still fit well?

Cuz I notice that Glimmora is the only spatker and is a suicide lead anyway

[feral canopy]

Not really

Imo

im not big on cm hatt in general but

i also dont think it fits on ho eitherway

[fickle wolf]

Ahhhh alright

https://pokepast.es/43ee30ee1bf74334

How does this look?

[feral canopy]

Not there yet

the sets are not good

glimm shld have rocks spin gem ep

tera ghost

dnite should be dd outrage eq fire punch

dragonium z

replace tusk with booster val

shifu shld be tera steel

Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 76 HP / 252 Atk / 180 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Swords Dance
• Bullet Punch
• Close Combat
• Dual Wingbeat

use this zor set

:yaya:

i don like encore

dude this is for ladder

3a farms

its better

dude u lose zama anyways

also val is encore

also tspikes from glimm

bro ur not losing to zama

with volc and encore val

dont be dumb

and shifu

??

there is a shifu and encore val

and tspikes from glimm

Bro

more than enough for zMa

zama

Yes

If that doesnt get up

there is encore value

val

• the volc one is only a roll

• it can get fbody burn

nvm i lied

+5 0 Def Zamazenta Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 240-283 (77.1 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

i added +5 to the calc so it gave +6

bro

its more than enough

You can win first

it only sets up on zor

mortal spin

🔥🔥🔥

it has to press to kill it right

Can tera ghost

Boom

Bro

just

set rocks

val encore

force it out

glimm can come in again

it does

even max

not like ladder runs max def

U lead glimm

set rocks as it subs

go val as it ids

encore it

force it out

LOL

252 SpA Glimmora Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta: 87-103 (26.7 - 31.6%) -- 25.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

bro

just spam

LOL

@marble basin

only max hp its a roll to eat

[fickle wolf]

Wait so is Zamazenta a problem?

[feral canopy]

this is not losing to zama if u play w ur brain

dw

Mewzie is just dumb

she quit natdex

so she has a lot to learn.

[fickle wolf]

Oh haha

[marble basin]

wtf is wrong with this kid talking to himself

[feral canopy]

.

[marble basin]

🤫 🧏‍♀️

[fickle wolf]

Is this better?

https://pokepast.es/a80054a760f18c12

[feral canopy]

make glimm tera ghost

@marble basin what does booster val run agn

mixed idt is good

[marble basin]

moonblast shadow ball calm mind encore

[feral canopy]

ty

tera ghost?

[marble basin]

yes

[feral canopy]

@fickle wolf

[fickle wolf]

Tysm

And would the team be good then?

[feral canopy]

yes

[fickle wolf]

Aight, tysm!

[feral canopy]

👍

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/0a089a972a002083 this team got me to a peak, should hopefully be able to push 1600 with some luck

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow basalt]

I think the only slightly weird thing here is block garg but it shuts down so many physical threats and tears rain to shreds

[paper sable]

https://pokepast.es/64ddf85eb7855ad4

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spring imp]

https://pokepast.es/e8c42e67613f82fe
the power of the sun

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/f87a9ee5d1dc1434 would like to try to keep the boom set and drag z bolt i think its pretty fun

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude stump]

I’m kinda concerned that ur tusk can be worn out by stuff like lando in the long run especially when you don’t have a flying type and tusk is both the rock setter and removal

[vast tendon]

so what should i do

[feral canopy]

not makw it ur setter and removal

because u dont beat the best setter without cc

[craggy lynx]

https://pokepast.es/3eed3347be4a1e05
how is this thing

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[paper sable]

https://pokepast.es/64ddf85eb7855ad4

[feral canopy]

is this for natdex

[craggy lynx]

yea

[feral canopy]

why doesnt ur koko have hp ice

Ok actually

ur excused

the analysis is horribly outdated

Man. this is old.

this looks like its tryinh to do what the chris sample is achieving

except ur missing all the important parts of it

[paper sable]

Nvm

It’s ass

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/2346d634e92ce40f

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[manic helm]

trying to make a team for moon

[limber crypt]

small things but ep > tect on tran and fb > aura sphere on val

also idt u rly need sciz here, u can prob run smth like ferro/mtar but thats ur choide

[fast totem]

How is this team https://pokepast.es/fba904e794cf2c5e

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[carmine hamlet]

would like a ground type ig? idk

[paper sable]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2058382221-jyig6qv7hw4cza32q86ebaqy06dfsacpw

https://pokepast.es/d4b5915965a82191

@limber crypt

[limber crypt]

defensive lando > glimm, knock > ihead on mmaw, optionally wisp > hjk on ace

[limber crypt]

hdb zama > chand, gking > bro, put evs on lando, i tgink mtar > hoopa-u is also ideal here

[paper sable]

But then I lose the hex spam that I wanted is there any other mon that will hex spam or is hex spam just bad ?

What’s mtar

[paper sable]

Also is hoopa not viable either ?

[feral canopy]

It sucks

[feral canopy]

its bad

[paper sable]

Man that sucks I love hex spam

[feral canopy]

ye nothing good gets hex

[paper sable]

Y is hoopa bad

[feral canopy]

now that pult id gone

[paper sable]

I saw that yh

[feral canopy]

low speed poor defensive utility

all itndoes is Hit Hard

[paper sable]

Scrolled wayyyy down the tier

[paper sable]

True true

[paper sable]

Do you happen to know what Solaris means by Mtar over hoopa ?

[feral canopy]

they mean put mega tyranitar over hoopa u (on the team)

[paper sable]

Ahhh thank u

[feral canopy]

ye np

[paper sable]

Any sets ideal for them or ?

[feral canopy]

sample sets

just google their name and smogon

click on the link

click on natdex

[limber crypt]

You can look at the smogdex for the zama and gking sets as well as lando spread, mtar can be sr knock suit edge

[paper sable]

Ty man

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/b8bf331e9e89e07c ik ive made a team similar to this but i tried tweaking it and still feel unsure

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vast tendon]

thinking maybe air balloon on tran not sur tho

[crude stump]

Maybe stealth rock on tusk and spin over cc, so you get another slot free on tran for stall

[hollow basalt]

https://pokepast.es/2c1cf0e8bfa21748
Nothing special about this, just the team I've been laddering with, 1566 peak so far

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

why is there a temper flare great tusk

[hollow basalt]

I needed fire coverage and it jumpscares corv + skarm

and ferro too ig

[feral canopy]

Um

Whos gonna tell them....

😅

[hollow basalt]

does close combat 2 hit skarm

[feral canopy]

252 Atk Great Tusk Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 136+ Def Corviknight: 153-180 (38.2 - 45%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Great Tusk Temper Flare vs. 252 HP / 136+ Def Corviknight: 126-150 (31.5 - 37.5%) -- 0% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

similiar calcs for skarm too, just a bit less damage

same with ferro

[hollow basalt]

corv dies in one hit if it switches into a headlong rush then I tera fire

[feral canopy]

Um

252 Atk Tera Fire Great Tusk Temper Flare vs. 252 HP / 136+ Def Corviknight: 306-360 (76.5 - 90%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

(150 BP)

The rocks is irrelevant because lefties

[hollow basalt]

wait huh
tf kinda corvs have I been fighting

On the calc temper flare doesn't double

[feral canopy]

I put it manually

As 150 BP

If you want to see the 75 bp

[hollow basalt]

Like I got this
252 Atk Tera Fire Great Tusk Temper Flare vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Skarmory: 300-354 (89.8 - 105.9%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

[feral canopy]

Ok wait.

Minor Miscalc.

252 Atk Tera Fire Great Tusk Temper Flare vs. 252 HP / 136+ Def Corviknight: 378-446 (94.5 - 111.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

[feral canopy]

This involves a moveslot and a tera thi

Why not just

Cc and tera twide

that also 2hkoes them

you also can do other things, like spin first

[hollow basalt]

could do ig
I hate not having fire coverage though
There's probably an easy enough fix to it outside of temper flare

flamethrower glowking?

[feral canopy]

u also arent reliant on tera to deal damage

why do u need fire coverage

also u lose to lele

u have no steel, and no psuedo steel

[hollow basalt]

true tbh

I haven't been seeing lele much

I like bolt rilla glowking garg
feels awesome to use

[feral canopy]

Hm

[hollow basalt]

not sure on the last two though
Tusk could be any hazard removal and shifu could be any speed control

[feral canopy]

That sounds

rlly random

how do they fit

[hollow basalt]

rilla removes the ground weaknesses + gives recovery, glowking gives some offensive pressure and speed control and a slow pivot, raging bolt is a great bulky wallbreaker and garg sets hazards while getting some chip damage out

It's been a really solid overall just bulky offensive/defensive core

Double priority is always nice too

[feral canopy]

I mean

This is like

verybasic level synergy

like synergy for the sake of synergy

atp

[hollow basalt]

well ye I'm 1500 on ladder lmao
synergy is all I have to go off

[feral canopy]

u can use the grassy terrain argument for 22 million mons

and u just listed what the other mons do

i think if u go rilla bolt

it has to be some kind of offense

Maybe band rilla cm drag z bolt

to kill ferro for rilla to break + take advantage of other stuff

Im ns how u wld tie gking in

[hollow basalt]

Band rilla could work

[feral canopy]

and i straigjt up dont think garg would fit

but u shld prob rebuild on that basis

with like lando offense stuff

[hollow basalt]

I did have a lando rilla team before actually but it kinda sucked
Probably built wrong

[feral canopy]

what was it

[hollow basalt]

iirc defensive lando rilla bolt cinderace mola and I forget the last mon, just glowking I think

[feral canopy]

That sounds

Not That Bad

needs work but

Not That Bad

i think

Hm

[hollow basalt]

I really enjoy grassy terrain giving recovery and butchering EQ
I think it's pretty underrated compared to the other terrains

So I've been trying to build around that

What if I went band rilla, lefties bolt and fly z lando or smth

That's kind of an offense with cinder

https://pokepast.es/82b73ed0d9605042
found it

[limber crypt]

ik u were big on gterrain but idt dropping eq on lando is not it

[limber crypt]

As it stands id probably do tusk > lando on here and probably tran > ace

teeam does get a bit slower if u do that but i think with fual prio its fine

[wanton kernel]

its kind of rushed, how do i improve? (kyurem supposed to be tera ice iirc

https://pokepast.es/aa85ceff05ffd8cb

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[late sleet]

assuming that you're running speed on Corv for Zone, you should probably run rocky helmet to punish knock off since Corv is your knock off absorber

I get that you have tera ground Serperior, but I think Glowking/Corv leans BO/balance and you want to slot a ground type into your team - I would swap Iron Boulder for something like Lando/Gliscor/etc

also consider hidden power fire on Kyurem to nail stuff like Mega Scizor in a pinch

[crude stump]

You need a ground type and hazard removal

[limber crypt]

as others have said, u do need a geound here, and i think the more hit and run nature of cb moon lends itself to lando > corv and ferro > kyurem, ferro gives u a more solid backbone with lando and sets rocks as well which helps with breaking

bc i think boulder is better as an ho sweeper, i would also drop it for a diff rocker (like tran and smth that can break physical walls for moon), this also lets u run spikes on ferro

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/1f3d44853199ed51

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude stump]

Replacing lando with another flying type pivot if you’re already using utility drill as ground+hazard control

Mdiancie and ival are also overlapping here I think

Also in such a balanced team I’d recommend specs val if you want to use this mon

idk about tangrowth tho i don’t feel it’s good to use now. Ferro is probably better

[spiral pond]

Zapdos?

[crude stump]

Zap or torn up to you

[spiral pond]

My main concern rn is volc

It's just looming on my mind

[spiral pond]

👍

https://pokepast.es/2e9035bcc6defe7e

[spiral pond]

So smth like this?

[feral canopy]

there is a utility excadrill

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/dff95ade8d7132a6

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/bc69dadba0ce4b30

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[late sleet]

few thoughts/suggestions for this team:

1. You should go defensive with Lando - scarf is very much a relic and you want Lando to check a lot of stuff defensively (e.g. Kartana) on this team instead of using it as a scarfer that dies to Lele anyways.

2. Consider using Lando as your rocker so Heatran can fit HP ice (and a bit of SpA investment to secure the 2HKO on max SpD Gliscor) - your team gets farmed by Gliscor and Lando can't defog on it forever. You also have a ton of strong breakers as well as tera poison Mola to absorb tspikes, so I think you shouldn't suffer too much from not having removal.

3. Gouging Fire appreciates being a bulky boots set a lot more since this team leans BO/balance, having tera steel and reliable recovery in morning sun helps it set up multiple times a game without fearing toxic or chip damage.

Pokepaste: https://pokepast.es/32811b34450427cb

You can use more offensive Zamazenta sets if that is preferred (think boots 4A is actually quite decent here since Lele is your breaker)

[feral canopy]

scarf is a normal lando set that is used quite commonly now?

mola also doesnt absorb tspikes with boots

this team is incredibly slow without scarf lando lol

no reason for bulky gouging here

and its 6-0ed by brokenpon

[late sleet]

bulky moon?

[feral canopy]

gouging** my bad

[late sleet]

oh okay

[feral canopy]

defensively it offers nothing here that you dont already have

[feral canopy]

what was the initial idea with this team

because your missing some important stuff here

[vast tendon]

thanks so much! for zama im actually considering 4a boots. whaty moves should i run with that

i was kinda going for a bo approach here @feral canopy ur right tho team is very slow

wanted to highlight gouging and lele

also not real hazard control

[feral canopy]

u need either fsight or pursuit with boots zama

if ur running the former u run crunch

if its the latter then heavy slam

def go with boots here, that serves as sufficient speed control

u can prob replace tran with gking here and make lando defensive

make gouging bulky dd

Sec

[vast tendon]

so for pursuit who should get swapped out for the weavile/ttar

[feral canopy]

@vast tendon

what did u build this around btw

bc im ngl

ive been trying to build around gouging lando zama and it hasnt been working out well

i have a few other structures but

they r lando gouging

or if u didnt build this around gouging then this will be significantly easier lolz

[vast tendon]

i was aiming for gouging lando lele

[feral canopy]

Hmmh

[spiral pond]

https://pokepast.es/3c13e485abe912d6

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[knotty copper]

at a quick glance i can say that you dont need 2 terrain setters and rilla is the better one

[spiral pond]

Welp, team gets scrapped (this is/was a bulu team)

[feral canopy]

u can use bulu

just using then together is redundant

if u use bulu tho build more around its defdnsive qualities than offensive ones

so dont try and go the lucha offense routr

[cold fog]

do u have any balance teams i can use

[spiral pond]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/

[cold fog]

i dont fw any of those teams

[feral canopy]

https://pokepast.es/87940a88e9b25995

https://pokepast.es/9075ddee942707db

https://pokepast.es/40e2a4ffdf713c13

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

.

LOL

[pale spear]

HI

[feral canopy]

Sorry.

Owned,

Hi

[dusk flare]

..

[feral canopy]

i take it back

i am not sorry

i am devious.

now RATE MY TEAMS!

[limber crypt]

madlad built the glisc set that loses to aegi

[feral canopy]

Yes.

I built it.

Right @pale spear

[crude stump]

honestly this loses to rai

[dusky carbon]

Ban darkrai

[feral canopy]

which one

[crude stump]

The last one

[feral canopy]

idt any of them should, maybe the third onw can get scary but eh

theres tera fairy glisc and an ival and pex

specs is fine

[crude stump]

Ival is slower

[feral canopy]

np is np but like

[crude stump]

Sludge bomb

[feral canopy]

switches into pulse

pex scouts

go to valiant

np is an issue but lando doesnt take much from sludge and it doesnt get free setup on much

theres also haze pex worst case

its a bit weak to plotters but darkrai is broken so meh

u cant do much better if ur not running offense

lando also rks after like orb and rocks

[cold fog]

tyvm

[cold fog]

https://pokepast.es/1568634384afd500

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dusk flare]

im pretty sure i have a 6 exactly like this but w garg > clef

this does kinda make the mu against birds slightly harder in exchange for a better mu into non hslam zama but i think its ok irt mons like torn/zap with crown and kyu on the team

[bleak solstice]

I’m pretty new to teambuilding, so sorry if this team needs a lot of work / has some glaring issues
I was building this around mega ttar and its ability to check a lot of idbp zama’s threats such as zapdos, lele, and glowking. The fish is a pretty typical teammate with ttar, and glowking is to check iron valiant, one of the bigger threats to this core. Torn acts as a special wallbreaker in addition to hazard control and provides a ground immunity alongside rilla who resists both of waterpon’s stabs. If you guys have any suggestions on how i can improve the team please let me know it would be greatly appreciated!

https://pokepast.es/cec437ff3614c898

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @pale spear, @dusk flare, @cobalt skiff, @crude stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bleak solstice]

Sorry didnt know i had to have the team link be a separatemessage

[limber crypt]

this is really solid for a first team, only change id make is waterpon > rilla and maybe flip the teras on glowking and alo