#NatDex OU Rates

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pale spear
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yeah that sounds good

marsh blaze
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Ok

marsh blaze
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Into U-Turn or Qa

feral canopy
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volt > discharge 🤪

pale spear
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,

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discharge is literally better

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but w/e u say bro

feral canopy
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No

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Volt is better

pale spear
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i think taxel is still fine here

feral canopy
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pivot broken

pale spear
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to force issue vs lando offenses

marsh blaze
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Ok

marsh blaze
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Probably since it's pretty rocks resistant and 3 mons are immune to spikes

feral canopy
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does this even need spikes @pale spear

marsh blaze
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It's not pretty rocks resistant

feral canopy
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can this not be rocks ferro and ace > tran

pale spear
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no

feral canopy
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No fog in this type of team

pale spear
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keeping tran means

feral canopy
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feels dire

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Imo

pale spear
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this team looks more like the oras classic

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and that team works

feral canopy
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Oras Classic

pale spear
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in 3 gens now

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so itll work again

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its the rule of thirds

feral canopy
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Slowking-Galar @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

  • Sludge Bomb
  • Future Sight
  • Chilly Reception
  • Thunder Wave
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oras had like 2 defoggers

feral canopy
pale spear
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this tier also has like 2 defoggers

feral canopy
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WHAT are you YAPPING anout

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that isnt the rule of thirds

pale spear
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yes it is

marsh blaze
feral canopy
pale spear
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if something is good for 3 gens in a row itll stay good

feral canopy
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.

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what does that have to do with thirds

pale spear
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well u need 3 thirds for a whole

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just like how u need 3 days

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for a mon to prove itself

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*gens

feral canopy
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.

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ok stfu

marsh blaze
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Do i change it back to spdef glowking if sneasler is gone

pale spear
pale spear
marsh blaze
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Ok

feral canopy
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GLISCOR

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LANDORUS THERIONODUS

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GREAT TUSK

pale spear
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rotom mid

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glisc rather run any other set

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lando mid

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tusk mid

feral canopy
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KARTANA

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CINDERACE

pale spear
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tusk is so awkward to fit onto teams like why not just use gliscor

feral canopy
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ur rigut

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but tbf

marsh blaze
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Zapdos

feral canopy
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it still has. asplid niche

pale spear
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bro @feral canopy u wanna see my builder

feral canopy
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.

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Ok

pale spear
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do u notice a common trend

marsh blaze
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All have gliscor on them

feral canopy
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they all suck

pale spear
pale spear
feral canopy
pale spear
feral canopy
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U DONT ALWAYS GET WHAT U WANT

pale spear
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ik

feral canopy
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im ngl

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more glisc less tusk

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means kart is better now

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more people shld use kart

pale spear
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?

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glisc is neutral to leaf blade

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tusk is weak to leaf blade

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stupiddddddddddddd

feral canopy
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.

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ur act so dumb

iron summit
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iron summit
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Need help with team stuck at 1600 elo

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Gotcha

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I was using banette as a stall counter

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Sure

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I’ll play around with it

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Who should I replace banette with then

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marsh blaze
celest merlinBOT
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marsh blaze
hollow basalt
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limber crypt
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msciz is sd bp cc dwb with max attack adamant max speed

hollow basalt
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i've really been liking eject pack tbh

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i'm not in much need of extra speed control and healing wish isn't coming up all that often

neat tusk
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Ogrrpom

hollow basalt
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tbf a well played ogerpon can 6-0 most teams

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swords dance trailblaze and shit

marsh blaze
marsh blaze
marsh blaze
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marsh blaze
neat hazel
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max speed tapu koko u turn would usually waste your second lead (smeargle) since smeargle isn’t out speeding anything and you’d probably lose focus sash atp

neat hazel
marsh blaze
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It already has a high HP stat

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So i don't really need to invest much in it

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Max SpD also helps a lot in doing it's job

neat hazel
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wouldn’t help you much

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and it doesn’t make sense to run defogger if you have hazards to set up

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why not use a rapid spinner instead

marsh blaze
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There's only like 1-2 viable rapid spinners

neat hazel
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You can use donphan if you still want ground type

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Or that other one

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The violet exclusive

neat hazel
neat hazel
marsh blaze
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I can just set them up again

neat hazel
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😭

marsh blaze
marsh blaze
neat hazel
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Personally

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I don’t even use legends or mythicals

marsh blaze
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Ok

neat hazel
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So idk what to tell you

marsh blaze
feral canopy
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if you arent well versed enough in the tier

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thank you!

hollow basalt
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"use donphan" MichaelDespair

fervent acorn
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donphan in a post iron treads and great tusk meta...

feral canopy
hollow basalt
hot horizon
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hot horizon
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I’ve been peer pressured into making a corsula team and I really think I’ve cooked it

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anything I should add or change?

hot horizon
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sad

hot horizon
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I need hazard control that isn’t frail af

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also ground and electric immunities are nice

hot horizon
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maybe spdef zap???

lusty valve
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Thinking of replacing gren idk

feral canopy
latent solar
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what do i add for 5th?

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hot horizon
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its okay if it isn’t that good

placid cosmos
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placid cosmos
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hmm i should probs be tera dragon glisc for oger

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between glisc and tornt im probably ok

feral canopy
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the sole cplay is tera grass tran

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water resist is urshifu

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nothing switches in safely

placid cosmos
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would physdef tera dragon glisc help

feral canopy
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schizo set

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im ngl

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idt the mtar route is best here for this

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u dont care of it trapping much, most is torn but u can build to deal w that

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uno momento

placid cosmos
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wanted trapping to remove latis for shifu and to allow lele to click psychic more

feral canopy
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u also have no lop cplay

feral canopy
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u beat them anyways

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they have 8 pp roost

placid cosmos
feral canopy
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ss + rocks a few times

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anyways u can pressure mtias in other ways

placid cosmos
feral canopy
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ok erm that shld be fairy LOL

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i think i also lost my mind at some poijt building that bc pon is broken

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and went on a tera drag binge

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but that shld def be fairy yeah…

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i shall get that fixed.

placid cosmos
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yeah you have tera dragon glowking anyway

feral canopy
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yur

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and torn and my own pon

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are you set on sd shifu scarf lele btw

placid cosmos
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im set on shifu lele

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the sets idm changing

feral canopy
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fire

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because do i have some ideas for you

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proposal 1

placid cosmos
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this looks cool

feral canopy
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i am trying another one w the original sets

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just give me a bit

placid cosmos
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av lele looks like a fraud set at first glance but ig not

feral canopy
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was popularish last gen

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i think it saw some niche use in sm too prior?

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do correct me if im wromg tho @ smers

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im ngl i am not a fan of sd shifu with scarf lele

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flexibility wise its annoying

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bc i literally end up building the same shit

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like maybe you get this

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iffy though

placid cosmos
feral canopy
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shifu + fs is good tho in general

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with gking u can afford more variety

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i can get some stuff with that too if ur curious

placid cosmos
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yeah sure

placid cosmos
feral canopy
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ill come back to u tmmrw with the shifu gking teams btw

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i need to šŸ’¤

placid cosmos
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gn

placid cosmos
feral canopy
tepid fern
vast tendon
neat hazel
tepid fern
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Sneasler is sneasler

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An offensive Mon for the balance team

neat hazel
tepid fern
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Oh forgo to change ability

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Yeah pretend it’s unburden

marsh blaze
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smoky bronze
tepid fern
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limber crypt
vast tendon
hot horizon
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Yeah scarf kart kinda fucks your shit up

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maybe corv?

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Is there any phys def mon that resists steel and grass but isn’t weak to fighting or dark?

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Boots corv is alright ig

feral canopy
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no that shit is somehow worse than lefties corv lol

feral canopy
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why r u electrium z lele

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what would you elec z on that u wouldnt anything else

hot horizon
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I fucking love specs lele

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Scarf is pretty fire too

vast tendon
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so should i just go hp fire specs?

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put like ice beam on glowking?

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limber crypt
vast tendon
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im not liking no hazard control tbh

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but i really like sd glisc

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what should i do?

tepid fern
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this place don't take incomplete teams

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also i see what u trying to do with chomp but... no

marsh blaze
tired bear
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Nooo

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Nvm

feral canopy
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that us the most basic chomp set ever invented

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please donr say anything if you dont know what your talking about

pale spear
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given that your team isnt complete idk how you wanna finish this, but ill pass you two teams with a similar core to what you have; hopefully this helps:
https://pokepast.es/bdd4b53a85e9b2d7
https://pokepast.es/1657a1c39d707d7a
The first changes up your sets quite a bit and replaces garchomp for landorus to facilitate offensive zapdos as the primary wincon with weavile and heatran for support, while the second is a more offensive take using future sight lele to let choice band kartana break while it cleans up weakened steel types late-game. Notably scizor is sand tomb and superpower respectively to catch pex and skarm/corv on each team

feral canopy
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also im ngl this starting 4

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looks like the same 4 from a relatively popular team like

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3 years ago

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mightve been a sample idr

pale spear
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I’m HELPING PEOPLE

feral canopy
feral canopy
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the first version was made 6 years ago

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but the natdex version was made 3 years ago

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zyg is changed to chomp with its ban (somewhere in the replies)

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@pale spear My Memory Is Impeccable.

pale spear
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well theres no zygarde

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idiot

feral canopy
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r u dimb

pale spear
feral canopy
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dud @pale spear

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do u think this team is still good

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3 years later.

pale spear
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yes

feral canopy
pale spear
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@feral canopy did u see my expert rfn

feral canopy
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No

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Where

pale spear
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nd tours chan

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or check on smog for replay

feral canopy
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…

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ok

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@pale spear Good Job

pale spear
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Thank u @feral canopy

green notch
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@pale spear

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green notch
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Can u improve this team?

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Just don't remove the Ursa and Alo lol

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Pls

pale spear
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@feral canopy while ur on break

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hf

green notch
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HAH

pale spear
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ill brb

green notch
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Aight

feral canopy
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I Am Not A Sanctioned National Dex Team Rater.

pale spear
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U sure?

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U seem to larp a lot in this channel

feral canopy
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😐😐

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ok waitp

marsh blaze
feral canopy
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@green notch

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I have solved this

pale spear
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its mostly up to personal preference

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i like madness here to pressure ferro but blast is fine here

green notch
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I'll get to this later

feral canopy
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to hit other lando and glisc

green notch
feral canopy
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thats why u have fsighr and luna

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its power is enough to 2hko everything with fsighr

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and u shld be breaking with luna

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you clean with zama

green notch
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Welp tbh my first team is supposed to luna become sweeper lol

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Anyways I still like the changes. Thanks!

feral canopy
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luna is not sweeping

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its too slow

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and gets chipped a lot

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it just breaks

green notch
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Since Rilla can wallbreak lol, but yea

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Also that Lele is my secondary sweeper that time, but it's a bit inconsistent for me

green notch
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WAIT

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I didn't realized I am talking to Adem

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@feral canopy sorry bro! Ur my sensei in Past gen NDOU

green notch
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Nvrmnd

feral canopy
green notch
feral canopy
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u literally have a ursaluna and a np torn

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and fsight

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theres more than enough powrt thr

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changing zama worsens a lot of mus

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say if uou change it to lop

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opposing lop mu becomes bad

green notch
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Hmm I see

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What if I go Howl Z Zama then Boots Torn?

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Is it better?

feral canopy
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idg why u wld want to change it

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howl z zama is not a good breaker

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very easily worn down too

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boots torn means u struggle more into glisc stuff

green notch
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Ooohh I see

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Welp I'll try to play it more

feral canopy
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i can send a replay of the team

green notch
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I am not too comfortable on using zama without band or howl lol

feral canopy
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if u want to see how it plays

feral canopy
green notch
feral canopy
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ull get used to it

green notch
feral canopy
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its like lop

green notch
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Thanks

feral canopy
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u use fs with it and break

green notch
feral canopy
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p sure zama has more?

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i think

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doesnt have scrapky tho

green notch
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Wait lop has more

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136 into 120

feral canopy
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O

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idk why i thought zama has more lol

green notch
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Maybe u think the crowned zama lol

feral canopy
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prob lol

green notch
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Anyways Alo is really really good

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Especially with tera dragon lmao

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And pair it with Glowking and torn

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Anyways where's the replay bro?

feral canopy
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im in class, ill send it later

green notch
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U seemed familiar lol

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Anyways bye rmt! Gn!

feral canopy
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make zyg there the chomp

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and well

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g8nd hasnt been cg for a year already

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so more like 2 years

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but yeah

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it still works

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current gen

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can work

tepid fern
feral canopy
tepid fern
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k

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Sorry bout that

tepid fern
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marsh blaze
tepid fern
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Out of curiosity HO or balance?

marsh blaze
tepid fern
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The one u just posted

marsh blaze
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Definitely not HO

tepid fern
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Then u have a wee bit too many offensive mons

marsh blaze
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Which is why it's offense

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HO goes full into offense and setup sweepers with screens and no defensive pokemon

tepid fern
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O figured u were goin for balance

young kayak
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Does anyone have a snow team for the competitive one?

sonic kraken
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how we lookin

tepid fern
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you a brave man bringing back gen 2 zard

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gonna backfire horribly, but u brave for it anyway

sonic kraken
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For whatever reason I got a lot of luck with it

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Someone used it against me and I was like wtf and now it's been very handy

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The element of surprise

tepid fern
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but what if stealth rock

sonic kraken
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Lando-defog

tepid fern
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o didnt notice that for some reason

sonic kraken
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I haven't played Showdown in gen 8 for whatever reason much, so now Gen 9 is giving me an aneurism

marsh blaze
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feral canopy
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quite good

nova vapor
nova vapor
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Oof komo-o is a huge problem for this team

marsh blaze
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tepid fern
subtle lance
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haha sneasler lele team i must be so original

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(suspect test team)

nova vapor
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Hmmmm I need more offense on my team

hot horizon
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tepid fern
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Sneasler maybe? Abuse that cat before it gets banned lol

manic helm
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hot horizon
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then I tried its cooler older brother DD mega gyarados but it was so susceptible to rocks

vast tendon
young kayak
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Does anyone have a snow team for the competitive one?

feral canopy
young kayak
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ā˜¹ļø

marsh blaze
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feral canopy
marsh blaze
feral canopy
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mmh

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actually its also a toxic immune

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and still resists normal

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isk

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u can try ghost too

marsh blaze
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Why

feral canopy
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facade immune

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so u beat sd glisc

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i think i can give u a better spread too for wash

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one sec

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god hoopa in this tier sounds so miserable

marsh blaze
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(it was not one sec)

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@feral canopy better wash spread when

feral canopy
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THE MONEY (Rotom-Wash) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Def / 172 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Hydro Pump
  • Volt Switch
  • Trick
  • Will-O-Wisp
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@marsh blaze

feral canopy
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dump

marsh blaze
feral canopy
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zama i think

marsh blaze
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Ight

marsh blaze
marsh blaze
placid cosmos
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hmm i could probably be spdef tran> chans

tepid fern
lusty basalt
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pale spear
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U can prob afford to ditch mola for smth fast and then work with the gking/chans slots

nova vapor
tepid fern
nova vapor
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...lele?

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Also no thats just the smogon analysis set, I'm not good eith stat spreads myself.

tepid fern
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o thats smogon default?

nova vapor
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Its one of the sets you get when going onto the page describing how to use them.

tepid fern
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o that spread is from gen 8

nova vapor
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Gen 8 nat dex

tepid fern
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o

nova vapor
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Can you still help me?

rare tulip
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rare tulip
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Woops

young kayak
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the team is good

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?

tepid fern
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Is this supposed to be a mono team?

hot horizon
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hot horizon
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any tips or anything else??

marsh blaze
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Mega Banette is ass

sonic kraken
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Thoughts

marsh blaze
# sonic kraken

Wood hammer over stomping tantrum on rilla and u-turn on Moltres over toxic

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Is this a gen 8 or 9 team

sonic kraken
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9

marsh blaze
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You can switch into stuff like M-Lop Fake Out potentially burning them then U-Turn out if you think they're gonna switch etc.

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Plus if flame body activates toxic is useless against that opposing mon

marsh blaze
marsh blaze
# sonic kraken

Also fini has moonblast why are you using nature's madness

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Sorry for the repeated pings btw

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Actually saw draining kiss so you can use natures

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But why are you using surf over scald

sonic kraken
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That's fine

I had it on and it always came in clutch for whatever reason because I found that a lot of mons were setting up on it so having a default 50% damage move helped a lot. But i am open to changing it

Didn't even think about Flame Body haha

sonic kraken
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What do you think of M-Manectric on there

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I love Kartana but I find I never get to use him enough

marsh blaze
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I can't say much about mane since i don't use it alot

young kayak
marsh blaze
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Mono teams suck in regular natdex

nova vapor
feral canopy
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there doesnt seem to be much to support xard

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xard 90% of the time u want it on some kind of ho or offense structure with dd 3a

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dd 2a is kinda bleh but if u want to u need to really lean into it

nova vapor
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I was thinking about replacing magnezone or zard with something else

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Its supposed to be bulky offense/balance.

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Maybe kyurem over mega zard?

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Nah maybe not cuz 4 mons weak to fighting could be bad against things like kommo-o

dense ivy
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subtle lance
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base 60 max invests

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probably magnezone

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not sure tho

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cause magnezone is not too real in ndou at all

trail bay
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trail bay
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Rep da NatDex OU Rain team, was finding some bulks and idk, G-Weezing fit the most. Though Ferrothorn is the usual and reliable pick, I won most games using G-Weezing, but at times it does feel like it's doing too much, being a beefy defogger and a D-Drake switch in

dusk flare
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there arent a lot of ways to make rain work outside of a standard peli / mega pert / zap or torn / additional [good] abusers / ferro, and deviation kinda sucks as cliche and boring as that sounds

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gweezing is kinda ungood

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doesnt so that much as a fighting check that gking doesnt

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but both dont fit here regardless

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and as a fighting switchin you have access to zap / torn anyways

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rilla isnt very good, struggles a lot into the popular torn and giving lele free turns sucks

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ludicolo is super duper outclassed as a swift swim mon in general; lacks power and doesnt rlly blow things up the same way as barra can on paper

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rain isnt doing too hot regardless though; ogerpon being so good mandates a tera type to beat it and it just so happens those tera types beat rain too

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sorry if this is a lot btw @trail bay but i just want to make things clear

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hope this made sense

trail bay
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yesyes

dusk flare
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tldr i would stick to a standard rain structure in the future

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it's boring but

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not much else to do w the playstyle sadly

trail bay
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this was what I was running w before, super boring. I think my team just has the advantage of being super unorthodox lol

dusk flare
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yea id go ferro > garg and barra > ival and you've got a standard rain team (can experiment w torn slot with something like gren or urshifu probs)

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it is def lame tho LOL

lusty basalt
dusk flare
feral canopy
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ok

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fastest mon koko for medi team dont work

dusk flare
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lop > medi would solve that but team would be weaker, so you'd probs have to make smth like torn more offensive to make up for it (or play around with another slot)

dusk flare
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but yeah

feral canopy
dusk flare
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Sorry

feral canopy
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patience yung shoe,

dusk flare
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that was mean

feral canopy
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ive got this.

dusk flare
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Ok....

feral canopy
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im ngl

dusk flare
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rate their team and ill gts šŸ‘šŸæ

feral canopy
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koko medi

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u might as well run mr moth

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but then u got sealoo team

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tho idt u need alo here

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better version

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this keeps the relatively same idea of the previous core with medi koko pivot spam

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but u play it more akin to like sm medi koko type builds

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much faster than your original build + cleans more easily with moth

dense ivy
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Put relaxed ferro xd

feral canopy
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oops yeah thanks

dusk flare
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thank u adem

feral canopy
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i think glisc as a ground is a bit of an annoying fit with med

dense ivy
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And you can put tpunch or bullet, i think is better than zen headbutt

dusk flare
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woah..

feral canopy
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because sd is a bit redundant since medi generally does the breaking work for u and shld be the main focal point and sd glisc takes away from that and there are better spikers for medi (ferro, hisamu)

dusk flare
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zen is definitely not negotiable

feral canopy
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and that u will have better success with lando or glisc as ur ground generally

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on medi squads

dusk flare
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gives u a much stronger midground vs a lot of mons (lando/glisc/torn etc, none switching in too well)

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i like bullet but

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not over stab

feral canopy
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bp is fair ye

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this team is dia wak

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weak

dusk flare
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yea

feral canopy
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u can run maybe shucaaaaa on koko too lol

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lure glisc and lando for moth and medi

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this plays akin to like the sm xray ho

dense ivy
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You can use Electrium in koko, you haven't got Z move and it's too good

feral canopy
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eh i dont see much use in electrium

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here

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nothing much cares about the nuke

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maybe heatran

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but debatable

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it probably works, just depends om preference

nova vapor
feral canopy
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ok nvm electrium is nice to lure pex

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@lusty basalt

dense ivy
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What pokemon would they put there?

feral canopy
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boom

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u have a team as old as time

dense ivy
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In my books Corvik > Skarm B)

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Maybe for Whirliwind

nova vapor
#

Anyone here do gen 8 nat dex?

dense ivy
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Me

dense ivy
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Reminds me Univercius' team

nova vapor
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Who?

pale spear
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univercius my goat

feral canopy
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univercius….

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šŸ˜“šŸ˜“šŸ˜“

nova vapor
#

Also what should I fix here?

dense ivy
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I think

feral canopy
dense ivy
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Put psyshock at Latias

feral canopy
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no reason for corv

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u want spikes here + u have chans

nova vapor
feral canopy
pale spear
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ok

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uhh

pale spear
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@nova vapor what direction do u wanna take this/what r u building around

dense ivy
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Stab and you can hit Chansey/Blissey

nova vapor
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Changed the latias set

dense ivy
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@nova vapor XD

nova vapor
dense ivy
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Did we battle

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Your team is good

nova vapor
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Okay so its just a skill issue, I need to get better at using it.

lusty basalt
feral canopy
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yuh

lusty basalt
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what r moth evs btw?

feral canopy
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booster speed

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dump bulk

lusty basalt
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ah ok

green notch
vast tendon
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dusk flare
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specs koko is also lowkey kinda not good bc clicking stabs is super hard when you potentially give mons like glisc free turns, hazard chip also being annoying for not much damage turnout too

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can probably go a slightly sturdier flying resist like rotom and np torn > boots

vast tendon
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who would rotom replace?

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tran?

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like i feel like this falls into six member syndrome

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@dusk flare who should go?

vast tendon
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why tera dark glowking

green notch
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Welp resists all weakness

green notch
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Zapdos slaps this hard

dusk flare
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rotom should replace koko

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tran should replace glowking

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er

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other way around

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glowking > tran

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marsh blaze
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hollow basalt
marsh blaze
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This is an rmt channel ask somewhere else like the ND discord or smth

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It's literally on the nd room intro in ps!

vast tendon
stuck berry
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stuck berry
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used to be a HO team but 2 of my pokemon got banned so šŸ˜…

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i have some moves that arent usually used but its to catch ''meta pokemon'' off guard

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like against a lead hippowdon, tera grass + grass knot 1 taps it

worn sable
feral canopy
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if u were going for a banette balance u need to delete banette and start over

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physdef lando n scarf lele is a good start to an offense tho

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u can go a lot of ways from there

worn sable
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banettes ou tho 😟

feral canopy
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yeah because pokeaim made a video about it then all his viewers spammed it on ladder

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it is unfortunately garbage

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not just in ou too

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its bad in uu and ru as well

worn sable
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damn

gritty dove
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so it's basically hitmontop again

feral canopy
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moreso because it got polt

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but yeah

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its like hitmontop

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i hoped it would drop w the shifts but alas

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people still riding the wave

vast tendon
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vast tendon
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yeah it was kinda an emergency val check tbh

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i will say its super fun with tb poison

limber crypt
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theres a glowking on the team

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I dont think val is that big of an issue

vast tendon
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i mean rillaboom and lele

stuck berry
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dont watch that guy

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spring imp
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i need MORE IMPROVEMENTS

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i just have a smogon hawlucha

honest rose
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hi guys sry this is my first msg/post here... i was wondering if any improvements could be made with this team? i built it mainly revolving around an offensive garchomp https://pokepast.es/c5790b0ee4a2fd92

limber crypt
limber crypt
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Oh and volc > tusk too

honest rose
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huh interesting. thx for the comment

dusk flare
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make glimm mortal spin too

feral canopy
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worn sable
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originally had flyinium z zapdos and iron defense zama but i opted for this

marsh blaze
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dusk flare
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yo i made a team just like this

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wtf

limber crypt
marsh blaze
dusk flare
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mhm

feral canopy
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that one has ferro which makes it easier but

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gliscor mu is dire

feral canopy
hollow basalt
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technically a repost but i'm actually starting to really like this team
https://pokepast.es/2cc653a44115698b
triple hazard stack with a lot of passive damage to force switches
mlop is a great lategame cleaner and helps to waste turns with fake out for extra chip damage, works as semi functional speed control too
incineroar is a bit of a weird pick but it's really good at denying recovery and respite from lefties and boots while giving safe-ish pivots with parting shot and helping to cover the mons I otherwise struggle with like ogerpon-w and opposing ferro
great tusk is the one i'm not sure on, it feels like it doesn't really fit? it's only job is rapid spin

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there's still a definite weakness to gliscor too, which I suppose tusk kinda helps but ice spinner is obvious and I can't do shit to tera fairy or water

feral canopy
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the small issue is u cannt hard swap into waterpon

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u will die

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which means ur forced to tera t1

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hope it isnt sp

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or hope it doesnt cudgel u t1

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what does this do over say, gking, outside of having a decently strong knock

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opposing glisc counterplay could also be dire

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tspikes rn are not very cash money i would say, i dont think you really benefit from it anyways

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all the lop checks dont care or even absorb it, and thats about it

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your team lacks a real breaker too

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u hstack a ton but gain nothing from it

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nothing here really abuses the stack well

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some even like it, say, clef who loves being poisoned, so lop cant bust through it if paraed

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i would say just make glisc sd, nuke garg n incin

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change them for idk clef and bro possibly

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or bro and tran maybe

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like this reminds me a lot of chris' sd glisc mlop team

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@pale spear do u mind if i share it

pale spear
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It’s public anws

feral canopy
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Ok

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feral canopy
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.

marsh blaze
pale spear
marsh blaze
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Scratch that

marsh blaze
marsh blaze
tired bear
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I have a question though. What are you thoughts on foul play Slowbro

hollow basalt
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consider not

feral canopy
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that is a long answer

tired bear
# marsh blaze Why tho

Similar reasons for using counter but it’s not targeting very specific PokĆ©mon. It’s less risky in the sense once you reveal counter your opponent is going to play more cautious.

feral canopy
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yeah but

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regardless of how cautious u play it

tired bear
feral canopy
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the effect is still there

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gliscor cant beat u, u bop back stuff like medi maw

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thing with fp is

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gliscor teras fairy

tired bear
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I suppose that’s true. For medi though I think it dies to foul play anyways

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The others I see your point

feral canopy
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252 Atk Slowbro Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Medicham-Mega: 99-117 (37.9 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

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not really

tired bear
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No way lmaooo

feral canopy
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counter from cc should kill

tired bear
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I don’t think that calc is accurate

feral canopy
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or do a ton

feral canopy
tired bear
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In game foul play definitely does more

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Idt it factors in huge power

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Pure power*

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It still doesn’t kill but still LOL

feral canopy
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its only the users

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huge power

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thats why digg used foul play sometimes

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it doesnt take into account medis pure power

tired bear
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I thought it did on showdown? I guess I’m misremembering

feral canopy
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so its really only invested 100 base attack

feral canopy
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for band and purepower

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it takes the users

tired bear
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Alright I’ll take your word for it

feral canopy
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for boost it takes the opponents

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its on bulba ye

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anyways

tired bear
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Okay thanks

feral canopy
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+6 0 Atk Slowbro Foul Play vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Gliscor: 215-254 (61 - 72.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal

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this is also balls

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wait no not that ine

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+4 0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 208-246 (52.7 - 62.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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+4 0 Atk Slowbro Foul Play vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Gliscor: 162-191 (46 - 54.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Poison Heal

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yeah

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so gliscor still beats unfortunately

tired bear
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Damn

feral canopy
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sd sd again as it fps, eq once as it fps, then eq again

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this does leave glisc very low

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assuming it doesnt like roost

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or tera fairy

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but yeah

tired bear
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Yeah

feral canopy
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thats why fp is kinda balls

tired bear
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I have changed my mind. I’m gonna give counter a shot

feral canopy
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šŸ‘

proper coral
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proper coral
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new to comp mon btw

feral canopy
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few things

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drsgapult has been banned for months now

proper coral
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oh

feral canopy
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yeah

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but even then

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the rest of the mons are very fringe and they dont go together well with each other at all really

proper coral
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can u help me make a team?

feral canopy
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Um not now no, sorry

proper coral
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oki i will try to make a new one

neat tusk
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Sticky web +garganacl is goofy

worn sable
cold fog
dusk flare
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sub is generally speaking a fine slot

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pex cant touch you

cold fog
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i mean personally i like eq more

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carmine hamlet
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imo ihead dnite dubious but if it helps vs fairies then i guesss its ok

feral canopy
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if ur using mgyara ur using it to own alo gking cores

cold fog
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really?

feral canopy
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pex is the second best defensive water currently, and its not that close

cold fog
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i guess i was wrong

feral canopy
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yes

cold fog
feral canopy
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this looks like a ho

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then u have stuff like yard n garg which is not gna be effective

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like the team is pwned by rocks, booster tusk is ur sole removal

feral canopy
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idk why u have booster val and koko here

cold fog
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wdym?

feral canopy
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twave gking + stuff also heavily owns this

cold fog
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i was running subroost tios before

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but idk

feral canopy
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so pex can knock and spam scald burns on it

cold fog
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true

feral canopy
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boots koko does literally 0 damage so it doesnt even really force out pex

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the sole sd gliscor cplay is beam latios

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which loses the moment it clicks the red button

cold fog
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red button?

feral canopy
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esp since literally everything else is setup food for it

feral canopy
cold fog
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ah

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so how could i change it?

feral canopy
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what did u build this around

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if its mtios u can look at ss natdex teams for inspiration

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generally spikes bos with like ferro

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is the direction u wanna go w it

cold fog
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i had ferro before

feral canopy
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i cant build a team rn since im out

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but effectively scrap the whole team and start w latios ferro maybe lando idk go from there

cold fog
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yeah i had those 3 originally

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marsh blaze
oblique goblet
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pls recommend changes, fairly basic rain team

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i dont mind sorta gimmicky suggestions

worn sable
green notch
cold fog
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feral canopy
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if you want to be pedantic, then yes, it was your team lol

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But

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i changed literally EVERYTHING except the original core

cold fog
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might put defog on gliscor

feral canopy
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which is a relatively common offensive core

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So i will happily say this is my team lol.

pale spear
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What a thief

feral canopy
#

.

feral canopy
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anyways

#

its a bit annoying for you to reply to a 3 days old message

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to chime in

pale spear
cold fog
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i still need help

pale spear
#

One sec

feral canopy
#

The Issue Is Aegislash

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surely u just make this into

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my old ss sample effectively

cold fog
#

whats ur old ss sample

pale spear
#

Bad

feral canopy
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tran > aegi different water > shifu

feral canopy
cold fog
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yeah i had tran before but aegislash is funny

feral canopy
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aegislash unfortunately falters into any team@using the best pokemon in the tier

pale spear
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Tran @ stealth rock > Aegi, put hp into lati put spdef into glisc and make it sd, remove Shifu add a gliscor beater

feral canopy
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told u

#

-The Innovator

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washer over shifu

cold fog
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wb ogerpon?

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instead of shifu

pale spear
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Also works

feral canopy
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so ur not farmed by torn t

feral canopy
pale spear
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No

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Bc it’s not bad

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And isn’t a do nothing balance

feral canopy
#

???

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that one had sd waterpon and qd volc

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and spikes

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how is it do nothing

pale spear
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Didn’t the oculars say it was

feral canopy
#

.

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yeah bc hes stupid

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and we loaded into

pale spear
#

No

feral canopy
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boots weavile boots lele

cold fog
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soo rotom w or ogerpon

pale spear
#

I trust the oculars

feral canopy
pale spear
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Both r fine

cold fog
#

alright

feral canopy
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waterpon gives u better breaking power

cold fog
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imma do waterpon bc i really odnt have a breaker

feral canopy
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washer gives u better torn n glisc cplay and

pale spear
cold fog
#

should i do defog on gliscor

feral canopy
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Yes

pale spear
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No

feral canopy
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.

pale spear
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Bro sd here idiot

feral canopy
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Then what