#NatDex OU Rates
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Ok
Sorry for the repeated pings but should i replace Triple Axel on M-Lop now?
Into U-Turn or Qa
volt > discharge š¤Ŗ
i think taxel is still fine here
pivot broken
to force issue vs lando offenses
Ok
Is having no hazard removal fine for this team
Probably since it's pretty rocks resistant and 3 mons are immune to spikes
does this even need spikes @pale spear
It's not pretty rocks resistant
can this not be rocks ferro and ace > tran
No fog in this type of team
keeping tran means
Oras Classic
Slowking-Galar @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Sludge Bomb
- Future Sight
- Chilly Reception
- Thunder Wave
oras had like 2 defoggers
????
this tier also has like 2 defoggers
yes it is

more good hazard conteol
if something is good for 3 gens in a row itll stay good
well u need 3 thirds for a whole
just like how u need 3 days
for a mon to prove itself
*gens
nr bro its just torn
no u handle special attackers well enough between ferro and tran
Ok
tusk is so awkward to fit onto teams like why not just use gliscor
Zapdos
it still has. asplid niche
bro @feral canopy u wanna see my builder
All have gliscor on them
dingdingding
wronggggggggg
unfortunately
all lose to oras hsstack
U DONT ALWAYS GET WHAT U WANT
ik
Not (redacted)
im ngl
more glisc less tusk
means kart is better now
more people shld use kart
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Need help with team stuck at 1600 elo
Gotcha
I was using banette as a stall counter
Sure
Iāll play around with it
Who should I replace banette with then
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scarf hwish lati and msciz > bish should work for this
msciz is sd bp cc dwb with max attack adamant max speed
i've really been liking eject pack tbh
i'm not in much need of extra speed control and healing wish isn't coming up all that often
6x0ed by well played Overton
Ogrrpom
Me when that will be most teams
I'm also using this over that now
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max speed tapu koko u turn would usually waste your second lead (smeargle) since smeargle isnāt out speeding anything and youād probably lose focus sash atp
the fish has too much of a low spd to benefit from putting spd evs into it
It already has a high HP stat
So i don't really need to invest much in it
Max SpD also helps a lot in doing it's job
yeah but thatās like running physically defensive clodsire
wouldnāt help you much
and it doesnāt make sense to run defogger if you have hazards to set up
why not use a rapid spinner instead
There's only like 1-2 viable rapid spinners
You can use donphan if you still want ground type
Or that other one
The violet exclusive
Since it has volt switch for momentum
Itās better than getting rid of your hazards too
I can just set them up again
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No flying type then
Another ground weakness to add to the team
Ok
So idk what to tell you
please dont give advice
if you arent well versed enough in the tier
thank you!
"use donphan" 
donphan in a post iron treads and great tusk meta...

rapid spinner not weak to ground or flying for optimal gliscor punish bigbrain
Your favorite dumbass that nobody knows has done it again https://pokepast.es/883fdb23c3900ee1
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Iāve been peer pressured into making a corsula team and I really think Iāve cooked it
anything I should add or change?
gcors Sucks
sad
What do I put over it???
I need hazard control that isnāt frail af
also ground and electric immunities are nice
maybe spdef zap???
Thinking of replacing gren idk
i was talking about galarian corsola
paste doesnt work
what do i add for 5th?
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The point of making the team was Gcorsula
its okay if it isnāt that good
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hmm i should probs be tera dragon glisc for oger
between glisc and tornt im probably ok
this lose to ogerpon broken
the sole cplay is tera grass tran
water resist is urshifu
nothing switches in safely
would physdef tera dragon glisc help
schizo set
im ngl
idt the mtar route is best here for this
u dont care of it trapping much, most is torn but u can build to deal w that
uno momento
wanted trapping to remove latis for shifu and to allow lele to click psychic more
u also have no lop cplay
latis r not real dont worry
u beat them anyways
they have 8 pp roost
hidin is lying to me...
this is from your sample...
ok erm that shld be fairy LOL
i think i also lost my mind at some poijt building that bc pon is broken
and went on a tera drag binge
but that shld def be fairy yeahā¦
i shall get that fixed.
yeah you have tera dragon glowking anyway
this looks cool
av lele looks like a fraud set at first glance but ig not
N it sure is a set
was popularish last gen
i think it saw some niche use in sm too prior?
do correct me if im wromg tho @ smers
im ngl i am not a fan of sd shifu with scarf lele
flexibility wise its annoying
bc i literally end up building the same shit
like maybe you get this
iffy though
yeah thats fine, just chose them cause i thought theyd be best
shifu + fs is good tho in general
with gking u can afford more variety
i can get some stuff with that too if ur curious
yeah sure
this team has no removal btw
meh doesnt need it
ill come back to u tmmrw with the shifu gking teams btw
i need to š¤
gn
electric seed sneasler lmao

https://pokepast.es/c32de8c14f6bf59e was thinking maybe sd on gliscor
is sneasler supposed to be pressure
iām referring to the ability
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https://pokepast.es/bb4ded0f4d3b694a i know snorlax looks off on this team but im just a really big fan
https://pokepast.es/dd9dd76b69fe1996 trying to abuse ursh since heās still legal for some reason
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Specs ival over kommo-o shoild work for this
https://pokepast.es/ba40222ce7b6a8a1 kartana kinda messes me up
Yeah scarf kart kinda fucks your shit up
maybe corv?
Is there any phys def mon that resists steel and grass but isnāt weak to fighting or dark?
Boots corv is alright ig
no that shit is somehow worse than lefties corv lol
make gking physdef
why r u electrium z lele
what would you elec z on that u wouldnt anything else
so should i just go hp fire specs?
put like ice beam on glowking?
https://pokepast.es/4298be335ba0a056 like this
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I think u can be twave glowking here but this teams just fine as is
this place don't take incomplete teams
also i see what u trying to do with chomp but... no
what are you yapping about
that us the most basic chomp set ever invented
please donr say anything if you dont know what your talking about
given that your team isnt complete idk how you wanna finish this, but ill pass you two teams with a similar core to what you have; hopefully this helps:
https://pokepast.es/bdd4b53a85e9b2d7
https://pokepast.es/1657a1c39d707d7a
The first changes up your sets quite a bit and replaces garchomp for landorus to facilitate offensive zapdos as the primary wincon with weavile and heatran for support, while the second is a more offensive take using future sight lele to let choice band kartana break while it cleans up weakened steel types late-game. Notably scizor is sand tomb and superpower respectively to catch pex and skarm/corv on each team
asked?
also im ngl this starting 4
looks like the same 4 from a relatively popular team like
3 years ago
mightve been a sample idr
Ok noob
ok i was lying slightly
the first version was made 6 years ago
but the natdex version was made 3 years ago
I. INTRODUCTION
Hello Smogon, it has been a while. The new [GEN 8] National Dex tier inspired me to revisit āSandstorm Equilibriumā, to witness how it fairs against the tierās huge versatility, the new Pokemon and strategies of GEN 8. I started laddering just prior to the Genesect suspect test...
zyg is changed to chomp with its ban (somewhere in the replies)
@pale spear My Memory Is Impeccable.
r u dimb
care?
i am a genius
dud @pale spear
do u think this team is still good
3 years later.
yes

@feral canopy did u see my expert rfn
Thank u @feral canopy
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HAH
ill brb
Aight
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I Am Not A Sanctioned National Dex Team Rater.

its mostly up to personal preference
i like madness here to pressure ferro but blast is fine here
to hit other lando and glisc
Tbh in my playstyle, I really don't like Zama without Howl Z, or Band. Idk, Zama's raw power isn't enough for my preference..
thats why u have fsighr and luna
its power is enough to 2hko everything with fsighr
and u shld be breaking with luna
you clean with zama
Welp tbh my first team is supposed to luna become sweeper lol
Anyways I still like the changes. Thanks!
My previous team effectively Sweeps teams with Luna
Since Rilla can wallbreak lol, but yea
Also that Lele is my secondary sweeper that time, but it's a bit inconsistent for me
WAIT
I didn't realized I am talking to Adem
@feral canopy sorry bro! Ur my sensei in Past gen NDOU
Nvrmnd

Anyways can u change Zama into any mega or mon? I just lacked power ngl. I can prefer going utility Torn more too š Thanks!
u literally have a ursaluna and a np torn
and fsight
theres more than enough powrt thr
changing zama worsens a lot of mus
say if uou change it to lop
opposing lop mu becomes bad
idg why u wld want to change it
howl z zama is not a good breaker
very easily worn down too
boots torn means u struggle more into glisc stuff
i can send a replay of the team
I am not too comfortable on using zama without band or howl lol
if u want to see how it plays
yeah its a new set
Watch a replay of a PokƩmon battle between Eirone and yousda! Format: [Gen 9] National Dex; Date: Nov 27, 2023
ull get used to it
Please
its like lop
Thanks
u use fs with it and break
They have same attack ryt
Maybe u think the crowned zama lol
prob lol
Anyways Alo is really really good
Especially with tera dragon lmao
And pair it with Glowking and torn
Anyways where's the replay bro?
im in class, ill send it later
@cobalt skiff
Thanks
U seemed familiar lol
Anyways bye rmt! Gn!
make zyg there the chomp
and well
g8nd hasnt been cg for a year already
so more like 2 years
but yeah
it still works
current gen
can work
mb. Was just makin fun of him for chomp in ou. Still out of line tho
chomp is a perfectly good mon in ou
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Out of curiosity HO or balance?
Which team
The one u just posted
Definitely not HO
Then u have a wee bit too many offensive mons
Which is why it's offense
HO goes full into offense and setup sweepers with screens and no defensive pokemon
O figured u were goin for balance
https://pokepast.es/eccfa2c71a6a1dca
Changed Gren to hsamu
Does anyone have a snow team for the competitive one?
how we lookin
you a brave man bringing back gen 2 zard
gonna backfire horribly, but u brave for it anyway
For whatever reason I got a lot of luck with it
Someone used it against me and I was like wtf and now it's been very handy
The element of surprise
but what if stealth rock
Lando-defog
o didnt notice that for some reason
I haven't played Showdown in gen 8 for whatever reason much, so now Gen 9 is giving me an aneurism
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quite good
https://pokepast.es/ef610d7e736c4683 my attempt at bulky offense gen 8 nat dex
Oof komo-o is a huge problem for this team
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Hmmmm I need more offense on my team
What do yall think I should add to this team? https://pokepast.es/6ea66e1c0bd28365
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Sneasler maybe? Abuse that cat before it gets banned lol
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Speed control
I wanted to try mega sharpedo but it kinda sucks because it has no way to boost its attack
then I tried its cooler older brother DD mega gyarados but it was so susceptible to rocks
Does anyone have a snow team for the competitive one?
no snow sucks
ā¹ļø
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why tera steel washer
Idk just the sample "Tera Steel helps it sponge hits like Iron Valiant's Moonblast and Baxcalibur's Scale Shot and cripple said threats"
mmh
actually its also a toxic immune
and still resists normal
isk
u can try ghost too
Why
facade immune
so u beat sd glisc
i think i can give u a better spread too for wash
one sec
god hoopa in this tier sounds so miserable
Ight
(it was not one sec)
@feral canopy better wash spread when

THE MONEY (Rotom-Wash) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Def / 172 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Volt Switch
- Trick
- Will-O-Wisp
@marsh blaze
What the 84 def do
dump
And what is the set supposed to outspeed
zama i think
I'm running TWave cuz i already have molt to spread burn
Forgot to have a knock user so replaced gyro on ferro
Maybe garga if your looking at a rocks angle.
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I have a very very similar team to this on samples? It needs speed control here mainly
U can prob afford to ditch mola for smth fast and then work with the gking/chans slots
I feel like I should add something to this team...maybe get rid of magnezone? https://pokepast.es/f4c9226b1c9b2706
whats with the stat spread on lele? trying to live something speific
...lele?
Also no thats just the smogon analysis set, I'm not good eith stat spreads myself.
o thats smogon default?
Its one of the sets you get when going onto the page describing how to use them.
o that spread is from gen 8
Gen 8 nat dex
o
Can you still help me?
I just made this team on the spot could someone please rate and fix any errors in the team, thanks
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I wanted to have a even mix of physical and special attackers, but here is the new team with specs valiant
Woops
Is this supposed to be a mono team?
I posted this team the other day but itās updated now and I think its pretty fire https://pokepast.es/24529f835ad8a138
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any tips or anything else??
Mega Banette is ass
Wood hammer over stomping tantrum on rilla and u-turn on Moltres over toxic
Is this a gen 8 or 9 team
9
why u turn over toxic?
To be a pivot
You can switch into stuff like M-Lop Fake Out potentially burning them then U-Turn out if you think they're gonna switch etc.
Plus if flame body activates toxic is useless against that opposing mon
Tera grass on Rilla
Also fini has moonblast why are you using nature's madness
Sorry for the repeated pings btw
Actually saw draining kiss so you can use natures
But why are you using surf over scald
That's fine
I had it on and it always came in clutch for whatever reason because I found that a lot of mons were setting up on it so having a default 50% damage move helped a lot. But i am open to changing it
Didn't even think about Flame Body haha
Not sure haha
What do you think of M-Manectric on there
I love Kartana but I find I never get to use him enough
I can't say much about mane since i don't use it alot
Yes
Go to the ND non OU rates channel then
Mono teams suck in regular natdex
I feel like I should add something to this team...maybe get rid of magnezone? https://pokepast.es/f4c9226b1c9b2706
Still havent gotten help on this gen 8 nat dex team
what does magnezone do here
there doesnt seem to be much to support xard
xard 90% of the time u want it on some kind of ho or offense structure with dd 3a
dd 2a is kinda bleh but if u want to u need to really lean into it
I was thinking about replacing magnezone or zard with something else
Its supposed to be bulky offense/balance.
Maybe kyurem over mega zard?
Nah maybe not cuz 4 mons weak to fighting could be bad against things like kommo-o
https://pokepast.es/81f3dc1319bddc90 how is this?
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base 60 max invests
probably magnezone
not sure tho
cause magnezone is not too real in ndou at all
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Rep da NatDex OU Rain team, was finding some bulks and idk, G-Weezing fit the most. Though Ferrothorn is the usual and reliable pick, I won most games using G-Weezing, but at times it does feel like it's doing too much, being a beefy defogger and a D-Drake switch in
there arent a lot of ways to make rain work outside of a standard peli / mega pert / zap or torn / additional [good] abusers / ferro, and deviation kinda sucks as cliche and boring as that sounds
gweezing is kinda ungood
doesnt so that much as a fighting check that gking doesnt
but both dont fit here regardless
and as a fighting switchin you have access to zap / torn anyways
rilla isnt very good, struggles a lot into the popular torn and giving lele free turns sucks
ludicolo is super duper outclassed as a swift swim mon in general; lacks power and doesnt rlly blow things up the same way as barra can on paper
rain isnt doing too hot regardless though; ogerpon being so good mandates a tera type to beat it and it just so happens those tera types beat rain too
sorry if this is a lot btw @trail bay but i just want to make things clear
hope this made sense
yesyes
tldr i would stick to a standard rain structure in the future
it's boring but
not much else to do w the playstyle sadly
this was what I was running w before, super boring. I think my team just has the advantage of being super unorthodox lol
yea id go ferro > garg and barra > ival and you've got a standard rain team (can experiment w torn slot with something like gren or urshifu probs)
it is def lame tho LOL
this seems good to me tho fastest mon koko can get rough
lop > medi would solve that but team would be weaker, so you'd probs have to make smth like torn more offensive to make up for it (or play around with another slot)
WTF,
Sorry
patience yung shoe,
that was mean
ive got this.
Ok....
im ngl
rate their team and ill gts ššæ
koko medi
u might as well run mr moth
but then u got sealoo team
tho idt u need alo here
better version
this keeps the relatively same idea of the previous core with medi koko pivot spam
but u play it more akin to like sm medi koko type builds
much faster than your original build + cleans more easily with moth
Put relaxed ferro xd
oops yeah thanks
thank u adem
i think glisc as a ground is a bit of an annoying fit with med
And you can put tpunch or bullet, i think is better than zen headbutt
woah..
because sd is a bit redundant since medi generally does the breaking work for u and shld be the main focal point and sd glisc takes away from that and there are better spikers for medi (ferro, hisamu)
zen is definitely not negotiable
and that u will have better success with lando or glisc as ur ground generally
on medi squads
gives u a much stronger midground vs a lot of mons (lando/glisc/torn etc, none switching in too well)
i like bullet but
not over stab
yea
u can run maybe shucaaaaa on koko too lol
lure glisc and lando for moth and medi
this plays akin to like the sm xray ho
You can use Electrium in koko, you haven't got Z move and it's too good
eh i dont see much use in electrium
here
nothing much cares about the nuke
maybe heatran
but debatable
it probably works, just depends om preference
https://pokepast.es/3a9cc894c3460de0
This gen 8 nat dex team feels like its missing something
skarm > gren and chansey last
boom
u have a team as old as time
Anyone here do gen 8 nat dex?
Me
How is this team?
Reminds me Univercius' team
Who?
univercius my goat
Also what should I fix here?
I think
skarm is bettee
Put psyshock at Latias
Psyshock over roost or over bolt beam coverage
@pale spear Hello generation 8 Player.
I this team btw
https://pokepast.es/99a416356575adee
@nova vapor what direction do u wanna take this/what r u building around
I think is better than thunder or ice beam
Stab and you can hit Chansey/Blissey
Mostly just trying to make a bulky offense or balance kind of team in gen 8 nat dex. I guess I was trying to build around ferrothorn (first mon I thought of for a bulky offense/balance team)
Changed the latias set
@nova vapor XD
Did we battle or is my team just bad?
Okay so its just a skill issue, I need to get better at using it.
thanks alot Ill def use this
yuh
what r moth evs btw?
ah ok
Ya tbh that looks like Xshine HO
https://pokepast.es/02daca62c4cdab3c cant tell if i want lando or glowking here
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lando is a fine keep imo, spdef glowking seems to be a better fit here (to me) asw for the val/lele pivot and enabling hsam (would also make hsam not sd btw; you rarely ever want to sd compared to just clicking and getting a free spike)
specs koko is also lowkey kinda not good bc clicking stabs is super hard when you potentially give mons like glisc free turns, hazard chip also being annoying for not much damage turnout too
can probably go a slightly sturdier flying resist like rotom and np torn > boots
who would rotom replace?
tran?
like i feel like this falls into six member syndrome
@dusk flare who should go?
why tera dark glowking
Welp resists all weakness
Anyways fix this again lol
Zapdos slaps this hard
sorry i wasnt clear w this and had to go to bed lol
rotom should replace koko
tran should replace glowking
er
other way around
glowking > tran
Hmmm should I replace latias for latios
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This is an rmt channel ask somewhere else like the ND discord or smth
It's literally on the nd room intro in ps!
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used to be a HO team but 2 of my pokemon got banned so š
i have some moves that arent usually used but its to catch ''meta pokemon'' off guard
like against a lead hippowdon, tera grass + grass knot 1 taps it
https://pokepast.es/4a0c2ffec2489884 kinda going for a banette balance
banette sucks. veil is inferior to screens, treads sucks, keld is bleh
if u were going for a banette balance u need to delete banette and start over
physdef lando n scarf lele is a good start to an offense tho
u can go a lot of ways from there
banettes ou tho š
yeah because pokeaim made a video about it then all his viewers spammed it on ladder
it is unfortunately garbage
not just in ou too
its bad in uu and ru as well
damn
I thought it was because prankster destiny bond annoying
so it's basically hitmontop again
moreso because it got polt
but yeah
its like hitmontop
i hoped it would drop w the shifts but alas
people still riding the wave
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It might make it a lil slow, but i think alo > hamu is the play here, it keeps the pivoting while also giving u a good defensive backbone, wish support, and ur not too lacking for speed w/ ival/koko
yeah it was kinda an emergency val check tbh
i will say its super fun with tb poison
ive used it before & still do š
dont watch that guy
https://pokepast.es/9e085c34f0b67e80
eterrain (sneasler ban š)
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hi guys sry this is my first msg/post here... i was wondering if any improvements could be made with this team? i built it mainly revolving around an offensive garchomp https://pokepast.es/c5790b0ee4a2fd92
This looks fine tbh, iirc this is similar to an old sample so i wouldnt really change anything
sweet
cm ival, sd kart, waterpon > gren should work for this
Oh and volc > tusk too
huh interesting. thx for the comment
make glimm mortal spin too
thanks, blip
https://pokepast.es/59e97ec00ac3afb9 i scrapped banette and made a HO team thats been working rly well so far
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originally had flyinium z zapdos and iron defense zama but i opted for this
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This feels fine, maybe a bit lacking against stuff like dozo which u could solve with like val > zama but idt u need to
You did?
mhm
donzo stuff u shld realistically out offense
that one has ferro which makes it easier but
gliscor mu is dire
too late flanster
technically a repost but i'm actually starting to really like this team
https://pokepast.es/2cc653a44115698b
triple hazard stack with a lot of passive damage to force switches
mlop is a great lategame cleaner and helps to waste turns with fake out for extra chip damage, works as semi functional speed control too
incineroar is a bit of a weird pick but it's really good at denying recovery and respite from lefties and boots while giving safe-ish pivots with parting shot and helping to cover the mons I otherwise struggle with like ogerpon-w and opposing ferro
great tusk is the one i'm not sure on, it feels like it doesn't really fit? it's only job is rapid spin
there's still a definite weakness to gliscor too, which I suppose tusk kinda helps but ice spinner is obvious and I can't do shit to tera fairy or water
do u even beat waterpon
the small issue is u cannt hard swap into waterpon
u will die
which means ur forced to tera t1
hope it isnt sp
or hope it doesnt cudgel u t1
what does this do over say, gking, outside of having a decently strong knock
opposing glisc counterplay could also be dire
tspikes rn are not very cash money i would say, i dont think you really benefit from it anyways
all the lop checks dont care or even absorb it, and thats about it
your team lacks a real breaker too
u hstack a ton but gain nothing from it
nothing here really abuses the stack well
some even like it, say, clef who loves being poisoned, so lop cant bust through it if paraed
i would say just make glisc sd, nuke garg n incin
change them for idk clef and bro possibly
or bro and tran maybe
like this reminds me a lot of chris' sd glisc mlop team
@pale spear do u mind if i share it
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Looks pretty good
Scratch that
Not the team adem sent
W
I have a question though. What are you thoughts on foul play Slowbro
consider not
Why tho
why
that is a long answer
Similar reasons for using counter but itās not targeting very specific PokĆ©mon. Itās less risky in the sense once you reveal counter your opponent is going to play more cautious.
Trying to be thorough. Also I wasnāt actually typing the whole time lol
the effect is still there
gliscor cant beat u, u bop back stuff like medi maw
thing with fp is
gliscor teras fairy
I suppose thatās true. For medi though I think it dies to foul play anyways
The others I see your point
252 Atk Slowbro Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Medicham-Mega: 99-117 (37.9 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
not really
No way lmaooo
counter from cc should kill
I donāt think that calc is accurate
or do a ton
why
In game foul play definitely does more
Idt it factors in huge power
Pure power*
It still doesnāt kill but still LOL
it doesnt
its only the users
huge power
thats why digg used foul play sometimes
it doesnt take into account medis pure power
I thought it did on showdown? I guess Iām misremembering
so its really only invested 100 base attack
nah def misrememberibf
for band and purepower
it takes the users
Alright Iāll take your word for it
Okay thanks
+6 0 Atk Slowbro Foul Play vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Gliscor: 215-254 (61 - 72.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal
this is also balls
wait no not that ine
+4 0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 208-246 (52.7 - 62.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+4 0 Atk Slowbro Foul Play vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Gliscor: 162-191 (46 - 54.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Poison Heal
yeah
so gliscor still beats unfortunately
Damn
sd sd again as it fps, eq once as it fps, then eq again
this does leave glisc very low
assuming it doesnt like roost
or tera fairy
but yeah
Yeah
thats why fp is kinda balls
I have changed my mind. Iām gonna give counter a shot
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new to comp mon btw
Um
few things
drsgapult has been banned for months now
oh
yeah
but even then
the rest of the mons are very fringe and they dont go together well with each other at all really
can u help me make a team?
Um not now no, sorry
oki i will try to make a new one
Sticky web +garganacl is goofy
https://pokepast.es/59e97ec00ac3afb9 i love ho
eq > sub on gyara
i mean personally i like eq more
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imo ihead dnite dubious but if it helps vs fairies then i guesss its ok
sub is better rn
if ur using mgyara ur using it to own alo gking cores
really?
pex is the second best defensive water currently, and its not that close
i guess i was wrong
alos 1 right?
yes
idk what this is supposed to do
this looks like a ho
then u have stuff like yard n garg which is not gna be effective
like the team is pwned by rocks, booster tusk is ur sole removal
this team is p ruined by toxic pex, tera sd gliscor also owns
idk why u have booster val and koko here
wdym?
twave gking + stuff also heavily owns this
the sole toxic pex cplay is harding aegi which does 0 damage
so pex can knock and spam scald burns on it
true
boots koko does literally 0 damage so it doesnt even really force out pex
the sole sd gliscor cplay is beam latios
which loses the moment it clicks the red button
red button?
esp since literally everything else is setup food for it
tera
what did u build this around
if its mtios u can look at ss natdex teams for inspiration
generally spikes bos with like ferro
is the direction u wanna go w it
i had ferro before
i cant build a team rn since im out
but effectively scrap the whole team and start w latios ferro maybe lando idk go from there
yeah i had those 3 originally
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pls recommend changes, fairly basic rain team
i dont mind sorta gimmicky suggestions
since everyone else is saying keep sub is there no other changes?
Ya this is my team though, u helped me build around Ursa
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Well.
if you want to be pedantic, then yes, it was your team lol
But
i changed literally EVERYTHING except the original core
might put defog on gliscor
which is a relatively common offensive core
So i will happily say this is my team lol.
What a thief
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:yaya:
anyways
its a bit annoying for you to reply to a 3 days old message
to chime in
Some of these sets r weird and the Shifu here is out of place
i still need help
One sec
whats ur old ss sample
Bad
tran > aegi different water > shifu
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yeah i had tran before but aegislash is funny
aegislash unfortunately falters into any team@using the best pokemon in the tier
Tran @ stealth rock > Aegi, put hp into lati put spdef into glisc and make it sd, remove Shifu add a gliscor beater
Also works
so ur not farmed by torn t
Didnāt the oculars say it was
No
boots weavile boots lele
soo rotom w or ogerpon
I trust the oculars
both works
Both r fine
alright
waterpon gives u better breaking power
imma do waterpon bc i really odnt have a breaker
washer gives u better torn n glisc cplay and
He certified the Mononobe no Futoās balance team
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should i do defog on gliscor
Yes
No
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Bro sd here idiot
Then what

