NatDex OU Rates

[spare kiln]

My bad

[agile glade]

i love the cheeky medicham with no fighting stab
anyways i think you meant for dnite to be tera normal

[dusky carbon]

the mmedi walled by ferro is crazy

[tawny sigil]

https://pokepast.es/1f4ae165f30ce5da some advice please ? (when a dondozo or other defensive mon setup i cant to anythings so i need help)

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[muted tangle]

yeah i changed it to that lol, i decided it would be funny to run a bolt beam strat on the mega medi

[muted tangle]

yeah but they dont know that

[dusk flare]

mmedi needs cc

being walled by steel types creates super uncomfortable situations

[feral canopy]

alternatively

mmedi needs cc

not having cc means u shouldnt be using medi

[stoic lotus]

https://pokepast.es/c67807ad3a30618f Xd idk

[thorny perch]

https://pokepast.es/6cffdd24a049d4de

i tried

https://pokepast.es/9ad3ae4cc161d0b2

[thorny perch]

https://pokepast.es/186b0bd3f347b090 3rd update for the team ,

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dusk flare]

id run no speed 30 speed iv lando for opposing lando; think you'd also want a second water resist bc solo washtom for rain is not gonna cut it that well (pult > ghold comes to mind, makes the lele mu worse but torn cant fog for free anyways or else gambit comes in)

[spare kiln]

Tbh MMawile doesn't need iron head

Give it something like knock off to hit non attacking steels as well or tpunch to KO pex and skarm

Tho I like knock off better

[sacred ember]

https://pokepast.es/68fde688bbf5a9b2 gen 9 NDOU mega Gyarados HO

Not too experience with this tier yet

I might replace Rotom for something else

@limber crypt

I should also probably use grimm over ninetails

Since hail doesn’t do damage anymore

[raven granite]

Hes on loa btw

Best to pinf another rater

[sacred ember]

oh

[sacred ember]

@cobalt skiff

[spare kiln]

Tbh Grimm fits better than A9 here

Well

I think dual screens Koko fits better overall

You could replace Rotom-W for Hawlucha

And make Lando-T sash with eq rocks explosion taunt

I'd probably suggest you to fit Volcarona somewhere here

And Dragonite > Baxcalibur here

[tawny sigil]

https://pokepast.es/1f4ae165f30ce5da some advice please ? (when a dondozo or other defensive mon setup i cant to anythings so i need help)

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spare kiln]

Tbh Trick room is currently not really viable in the meta

Any particular reason Kingambit is not swords dance?

[tawny sigil]

not really

[spare kiln]

Tbh Hatterene is one of the best TR setters you got

[tawny sigil]

so i replace assault vest of kingambit and i put tr on hatterene ?

[spare kiln]

Due to it bouncing back taunt and having a 100% chance to setup TR if it lives

Yea

Maybe drop P2 tbh

You have Cress and Hatt already

I'm trying to think of a good breaker over it

Make Hatt focus sash

With TR/Mystical Fire/Healing Wish/Psyshock

You lack a good special wallbreaker

Now I look at it, Alolan Exeggutor doesn't seem bad

It's powerful

You could go for a sun TR team too

At the cost of dropping Hoopa-U(which is already kind of fast for TR) and Kingambit

Brute bonnet sun

https://pokepast.es/bf90dd1899e5bcfc

[tawny sigil]

thanks man i will try this

[spare kiln]

This particularly looks interesting

You could have done this the normal way too with 2 tr setters mmawile a exeggutor 2 breakers etc

[spare kiln]

https://pokepast.es/aba8ada215f6e793

Exeggutor had speed EVs

[cloud cipher]

https://pokepast.es/4f9a24a483f48828

Is this team good? Anything to change like moves or maybe pokemons (besides latias, because latias is my top 1 and she is almost every time must have in team xD). Trying to build team with latias and 5 very popular pokemon in natdex

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tawny sigil]

thanks

[languid cloak]

https://pokepast.es/5e15ce7de89ea9e9 I feel pretty confident about the last 5 but I dont know what to do about my 6th, bax just isnt performing

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pale spear]

max speed on baxcalibur, cc>hjk on lop (miss sucks), focus blast > tbolt on gholdengo and replace tera electric with fighting / steel (u hit gambit with focus), av torn > ferro (for dragapult mu), rocks lando>skele bc u need a ground and a physical check, and then trick>tbolt on washtom

[pliant veldt]

https://pokepast.es/bb7e0fd2b7e87b35

[feral canopy]

no comment

[glad igloo]

https://pokepast.es/9803625cd948f357

Unburden Hawlucha + Happy Hour Zoroark Dual screens

[wraith mulch]

https://pokepast.es/e1cca9c53fd15b48

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wraith mulch]

I'm gonna be fr i have no clue how to build teams i only play random and mono 😭😭😭 its probably absolutely horrendus

[feral canopy]

use da samples

[pliant veldt]

why

because bad?

[blissful summit]

https://pokepast.es/5e4016b6e08df2a4 WHY I WAS COOKING🔥I DESTROYED THE HOUSE🔥

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

not too bad tbh, i would do spd washtom, specs pult, fake out return cc uturn on lop, and maybe pursuit gambit over sd

u could also drop one of the steels but idk for what

[raven granite]

https://tenor.com/view/the-return-of-the-king-lord-of-the-rings-ro-tk-title-card-gif-22191928

[soft orchid]

https://pokepast.es/38a1ae2bbc7e363d how is this?

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[soft orchid]

I'll try that as a separate team. TY

Also should I go for pursuit Gambit or swords dance?

[tranquil sedge]

https://pokepast.es/58e946031cfbf55c

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

ok

im gna be fr webs kinda suck balls

if u rlly want to

dont use scarf xurk that shit is godawful

i wouldnt even use xurk at all

u need smtg other than ghold to discourage fog

and probably not even that ghold wet

set

or that tusk set

drop mimi too

u have much better options for those

on webs

[tranquil sedge]

ya got anyone on mind

because im down for changing out some mons

but the trio tusk/medi/ghol helped me a whole lot

[feral canopy]

do u want to build webs or not

[tranquil sedge]

of course

[feral canopy]

ok then

shuck medi ghold is good

idk if im sold on tusk personally

hes rlly kinda Mmmmm for me rn

maybe some kind of booster / icium set but ion know

idt hes worth it

[tranquil sedge]

im kinda paranoid about opposing hazards

[feral canopy]

oh also

ribombee > shuck

and u go lando > tusk act

[feral canopy]

why

[tranquil sedge]

idk

[feral canopy]

half ur mons resist rocks

[tranquil sedge]

probably opposing webs

[feral canopy]

it sucks dont worry

also

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Earthquake
• Stealth Rock
• Taunt
• Explosion

worst case u can taunt

[tranquil sedge]

thanks

[feral canopy]

and u also run anti fog stuff which works for webs too

gambit is a good shout

lando ribombee medi ghold 2 more

gambit and serp last sound good

Serperior @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Contrary
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 112 HP / 144 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Glare
• Leaf Storm
• Taunt
• Hidden Power [Fire]

[tranquil sedge]

i like serp

[feral canopy]

eats a torn cane and can glare it for medi

[tranquil sedge]

my favorite mon actually

neat

[feral canopy]

also helps chip shit in range

Gholdengo @ Air Balloon
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 48 SpA / 208 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Nasty Plot
• Focus Blast
• Shadow Ball
• Make It Rain

max bulk for annoying scaff lele and val

speed for pult after drop

balloon so u can hard on tusk and other grounds and pressure

[tranquil sedge]

i use the base bulky plot set

[feral canopy]

prevents spin so easily

[tranquil sedge]

Gholdengo @ Leftovers
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Def / 12 SpA / 128 SpD
Calm Nature

• Shadow Ball
• Make It Rain
• Nasty Plot
• Recover

[feral canopy]

u want a more offensive set imo

[tranquil sedge]

that one

but tera water

[feral canopy]

that one needs a lot if support to get going

[feral canopy]

for this u can change tera type if u like

fairy ghost steel fighting

[tranquil sedge]

itt like never set up a plot without risk

i dont like it

[feral canopy]

Kingambit @ Black Glasses
Ability: Supreme Overlord
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Swords Dance
• Knock Off
• Sucker Punch
• Low Kick / Iron Head

theres always risk

[tranquil sedge]

so i think i would skip the setup route and just smack shit hard

[feral canopy]

but ironically

ghold lacks the most risks ever

u cant get toxed

u cant get taunted

u dont care about scald burns

[tranquil sedge]

also adamant or jolly mmedi

[feral canopy]

u dont hit hard enough at all w/o setup

ur only rlly threatening with it

[tranquil sedge]

i like adamant cuz funny 656 atk

[feral canopy]

uh ur choice i suppose

idk what u lose out on speed wose

can check our speed tiers for that

[tranquil sedge]

wait it eat torn hurricane after tera right

i remember serp has good bulk

[feral canopy]

no tera

[tranquil sedge]

nice

[feral canopy]

non off torn btw

off torn smites u

in that case dont let it in win first

[tranquil sedge]

got it

what is the bee set

[feral canopy]

Ribombee @ Focus Sash
Ability: Shield Dust
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Stun Spore
• Sticky Web
• Skill Swap

[tranquil sedge]

thx

[timid pine]

https://pokepast.es/4129e3ef9297421e anyone have an idea of what I can add to this? Trying to use every mega and I'm really struggling with building a mawile team.

[blissful summit]

https://pokepast.es/adbf87f344a33277 welp , something is wrong with this team

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[soft orchid]

The main reason mawile is UUBL is because it looses a lot of momentum and mainly uses sucker punch. Which forces a lot of PP stall. Which means it lost lot a bit of viability.

[soft orchid]

The team isn't bad. But it goes in a lot of directions. Try to focus on one setting. (Hyper offense, bulky offense, etc.)

Instead of ferrothorn use land-T. It provides useful utility and further helps in patching up the Fighting weakness.

And fits well in offensive teams.

And instead of Defog on Rotom-w use pain split for recovery

[feral canopy]

wat

[cold fog]

https://pokepast.es/f212b597ed4bdda1

[soft orchid]

I know I'm not an expert. But these changes could help.

[cold fog]

for gen 8 natdex

[feral canopy]

@pale spear !

[soft orchid]

The problem with mawile isn't that it's bad but it forces a LOT of priory moves to function.

Which leaves it prone to PP stall.

[feral canopy]

4a mmaw is a thing

and it always has run

sd sucksr

pp stall isnt the issue

its that the meta has became much more physically oriented

[soft orchid]

Well it's the only reason I'm aware of.

[feral canopy]

and fats all have good cplay to it with skarm@being v common

offenses also have a lot of lele and fast offensive fightings

[feral canopy]

n its not a reason

see: kingambit

best mon in the tier also heavily relies on sucker

also yes it competes with gambut

as a physical breaker

that plays similiarly

[soft orchid]

But mawile get outclassed to kingambits DARK STAB. I see.

And Gambit makes good use of terastallization offensively or defensively. Which allows for use for the opponent to guess. Not just which Tera is it but when.

[pale spear]

i am

too tired to figure this out

[pale spear]

but dont use spdef tran that mon sucks

[cold fog]

any suggestions instead of that

that gets taunt

or rocks

[feral canopy]

that paste says gen9ou

[worldly bay]

https://pokepast.es/caac44e18113542e

[tribal lantern]

this team, to put it short, is bad. i recommend using sample teams

[soft orchid]

Do better it's crap.

[soft orchid]

The only thing that makes this team "OU" is garg.

[feral canopy]

u dont have to be so rude lol

[soft orchid]

I'm just being real

[dusk flare]

being real also means thinking about others' feelings too, don't be mean

[soft orchid]

Look I did not have a good day, I was swept buy this one Toxic dude and his miltank.

A miltank of all things

[round ether]

"If your mood is influenced by these pointless fluctuations, then you are a miserably shallow fool."

[soft orchid]

It's my fault for being short tempered, eh? Fair enough I just was in therapy a while ago.

Trust me the idiots in my classes and the one in the school bathrooms vaping have been irritating me oftenly.

I had a short temper. Since I was ten. My father can be a angry man at times.

[blissful summit]

Ferrothorn is the only pokemon to stop weather D:

[soft orchid]

You mean rain. Sun teams decimate it. And the team is more on the offensive side to do a utility landrous.

Plus rain is pretty mediocre this gen.

[feral canopy]

hi @soft orchid

i advise you to refrain from giving advice as to avoid being potentially misleading until you get a better grip of the meta yourself

rain is one of the top playstyles this gen and the reason why water resists tend to physdef (and why they are so popular currently)

[soft orchid]

Hmm good point I haven't played natdex is a long while.

[feral canopy]

idk how long since rain has been a threat since day one

and was a top threat thruout last gen too

[soft orchid]

True the only reason I felt rain wasn't really good is to the fact ash greninja isn't in anymore (I used it plenty in those days) and to the fact rain isn't great in gen 9 OU in its current state.

[feral canopy]

we now have tera

aka barra becomes a bit busted

agren wasnt even a staple last gen, was a choice instead of weavile

[dire silo]

https://pokepast.es/42873dce7748ae9c

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dire silo]

E Terrain ValMoth

[pale spear]

a better ground > treads

[dire silo]

Yeah
I had tusk initially

but Treads seemed better for Lele mu

Its still not a solid check
But better than Tusk at that ofc

[pale spear]

mayb go boots moth

so lele is easier punish between moth gambit

[dire silo]

I don't wanna use Kingambit as my sole Lele answer (its not a check anyway)

[pale spear]

and then lik a lando last

[dire silo]

No Spin then

Also is Boots Moth strong enough ?

Maybe I go Specs Valiant then

[pale spear]

ye specs val

if boots moth

[tender flare]

https://pokepast.es/10008e639eca6b3f

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cold fog]

so u got any suggestions instead of it? or a different heatran set?

[pale spear]

lando rocks, av melm > heatran, make one of lele/kart offensive bc u can afford it (prob an offensive leaning lele and scarf kart w/ fog)

[cold fog]

oh is scarf lando not good?:

[pale spear]

Nothing wrong w scarf lando on some teams but this team needs rocks and scarf rocks lando is 😬

[feral canopy]

stfu

ok sorry

[tender flare]

Lol

[pale spear]

cool story dud

[tender flare]

Would be really cool if I could get my team rated in rate my team…

[cold fog]

do u have any gen 8 nd sample teams i could maybe use?

[feral canopy]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams-updated-22-11-2022.3667921/

@cold fog

[cold fog]

Is there any way I can check the vr on gen 8 nd?

[feral canopy]

yes

click the link above, click ss natdex and find the vr

[dire silo]

I just noticed a funny thing that even though it's gen 8, it has no Galar Pokemon. Same for VR as well - Galar mons start from B+ with ShifuR

[feral canopy]

some argue for shifu to a-

but yeah

u r right

the galar mons all suck or are broken

[dire silo]

Only Melmetal keeps it from being SM OU all over again

[feral canopy]

well

also no

mzam and mage is huge

and boots

the movepool changes asw

are rlly notable

[dire silo]

True that

[raven granite]

g-g-gking is good 😿

but yeah nothing too influential

gmolt crazy tho

and obv shifu

[tender flare]

gmolt will never see its full potential

angy flame bird with roost is an uber

[raven granite]

no need for roost

np wrath cane agility/taunt

[cold fog]

https://pokepast.es/968c86e086a6cf26

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cold fog]

another draft i made for a gen 8 nd team

i dont love it

[pale spear]

make the victini boots, lele scarf, and landorus defensive

replace toxapex with urshifu-r and then replace heatran with probably another water resist like serp, ferro etc

[pale spear]

*cb urshifu-r btw

ohohoh and u want future sight on that scarf lele to facilitate ur shifu

[cold fog]

Right

But is hawkucha fine?

[pale spear]

lucha fine yeah

[cold fog]

Oh I used the wrong set it was supposed to be z happy hour jirachi

Is that fine or should I change

[pale spear]

who is the rachi replacing

[cold fog]

Victini

With drain punch stored power and iron head

[pale spear]

honestly

for the team its technically fine

but zrachi is not v great as a whole

[cold fog]

Yeah that’s what I thought

What would be the best Mon to use instead?

I was thinking weavile maybe

[pale spear]

u can keep the tini

& make it a boots pivot

[cold fog]

Alright

And scarf or banded shifu?

[pale spear]

Band

[cold fog]

Aight cool I’ll try it out

Tyvm

[agile glade]

https://pokepast.es/2c85d5d6c7a1b448

Randumb Bo1 MU fish shit I put together on a bus

[cold fog]

so ive been using the team for a while

i kind of like it

but urshifu hasnt been all that useful to me

[pale spear]

can prob replace shifu w/ another waer like fini

but u lose a lot of breaking power

[cold fog]

alr il ltry it out

[cold fog]

ok i decided to keep urshi

but now i get walled by zapdos

and i dont really like victini all that much icl

[cold fog]

https://pokepast.es/43c6e909e8068b99
https://pokepast.es/fa1470f1e52818a1

i have 2 drafts of the same team and im not in love with weavile, im thinking of changing it to lopunny for the tapu fini team thoughts?

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tropic hull]

Mew @ Leftovers  
Ability: Synchronize  
Tera Type: Dark  
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Block  
- Imprison  
- Transform  
- Soft-Boiled

I think this is pretty gimmicky

But it definitely could work

The point is to block someone who has stat increasing moves and all they can do is struggle while being blocked + imprisoned

[soft orchid]

https://pokepast.es/c316e2e0884d2cab how's this? I got to 1544 with this team so far.

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raven granite]

wouldnt max hp be like objectively better

better overall bulk + more hp when transformed

even like max hp max spe

[soft orchid]

I've started to notice that galv is a big issue for this team if it's teammates leave no openings to defog

[raven granite]

you have a scarf shifu

and cb vile

[soft orchid]

Galv with sticky web up o
outspeeds both

[raven granite]

galv is pretty much always leading

[soft orchid]

And both can't take a thunder or thunderbolt

[raven granite]

if its not then you should be able to not let it get in

[soft orchid]

I should probably lead with urshifu in those situations.

Breaks the sash and kill the Turantula

[feral canopy]

how does it get a sticky web up

yes

exactly

u also have a fogger

ferro also sits on it

[soft orchid]

It's gonna likely switch out if that happens so the instant ferro switches I gotta predict and switch into an ally that can deal with the threat

Or say in. Who knows?

[raven granite]

it switches out and ferro spikes for free

[cold fog]

.

[wild pebble]

https://pokepast.es/022b88c663e5089c

this is my main team built around banded zamazenta supported by scarf lele and pursuit kingambit

zama and lele like the volt-turn support from zapdos and mega scizor

lando-t does it’s usual thing, rocks and physical pivot

anything i can do to improve?

[wet lily]

https://pokepast.es/c1bf0fd1dd7a142b this is my team. i wanted to use only speedy pokemon like mega lopunny or tapu koko in it, any advices?

[rose terrace]

https://pokepast.es/723227cbc7f9c32b i threw this together today, and it seems to work fairly well (though i am in a low elo rn cuz i hadn't played nat dex since gen 9 added so it could just be that)

lmk what you think

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[soft orchid]

Use mega charizard it's better offensively and provides a free mega slot

Plus Mega charizard also has drought

[feral canopy]

No

on Dedicated sun yard is a waste of the slot

your handicapping your team and the yard

since it doesnt "reset" the sun turns, so if it ever has to come up before tork sun is up its sun turns are limited by that

[soft orchid]

Ok

[soft orchid]

OK I'm finding my rain team is REALLY weak to double sun

(As in teams that have both mega charizard and torkoal)

[rotund delta]

https://pokepast.es/9f3d77ff9bed0307 awawawa i posted this somewhere else but i also want y’all’s input

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rotund delta]

this is for when home drops

[cold fog]

anyone?

[soft orchid]

I don't think the Tapus are return to home

Let me check twice

[rotund delta]

look at the thread name

[soft orchid]

Oh I see

My bad 😅

[rotund delta]

lmao

[soft orchid]

https://pokepast.es/e52d21de6ddfefb7 how is this team?

[dire silo]

Looks solid

Just a bit Rotom-W and Mega Ttar weak

[rotund delta]

u won’t be seeing mtar often so

but yea

[dire silo]

Also too dependent on Heatran to check Kingambit

I think Kingambit over Weavile helps out with MTtar and Opponent Gambit

You have lots of speed anyway

[soft orchid]

I'll keep pursuit on gambit to pursuit trap psychic and ghost types

[dire silo]

Yeah

Sure

Pursuit is good here

Helps Lele and Pult a lot

[soft orchid]

Damn the team is cooking all my openents teams so far

[lapis jasper]

Not sure if this is the right place, if this is, please let me know. Am knew, and am prone to mistakes.

https://pokepast.es/06784cb846e390ef

Been working on this for awhile, folks over at showdown recommended I come here for help. They recommended I change something out for a fast steel type, and the team lacks offense and is weak to psychic Pokémon. Help, advice, and tips are all greatly appreciated!

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dry rivet]

@cobalt skiff

[lapis jasper]

https://pokepast.es/b563ff5dfb0e4411

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dry rivet]

@dusk flare sorry for the ping but the robot didn't ping u

[dusk flare]

it doesnt ping when im offline

if i dont forget ill prob look at this

[dusk flare]

fake out > acrobatics on lopunny, rocks heatran > garganacl, make pex tera dragon + boots > black sludge, lele tera fairy, and washtom tera ghost/poison; just make glisc 248 spdef / 16 speed bc that ev spread seems like it was meant for timid tran which isnt used anymore

[lapis jasper]

Oh, thank you very much, am trying to keep garganacl as he was the main Pokémon I used for the team though, unless he’s extremely terrible and I don’t realize it

[dusk flare]

ah

garg isnt bad yea but this team struggles a lot against stuff like lele otherwise and no steel in general is shaky

[lapis jasper]

Will definitely makes these changes though, help is greatly appreciated

[dusk flare]

didnt see the team name lol whoops

mhm np

[lapis jasper]

https://pokepast.es/ddd3e8c3b6263636

Is a team I made awhile back with the help of some people, it is probably outdated, so might be in need of a tune up.

[soft orchid]

https://pokepast.es/747fcf862d4db7ba I find it weak to trick room teams.

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[soft orchid]

Which is normal but stakataka barely leaves openings

[dusk flare]

trick room is pretty niche and is often considered bad in most cases

[dusk flare]

i think the issues with this team are probs just the lack of a ground type, no good water resist (solo pult water resist will get overwhelmed easily), and no real way to punish opposing gambit; i would go tusk > lop for a gambit check + spin as well (the team seems rlly fast to begin with anyways) and pex > torn for a water resist + retaining your defensive check to fightings

tera electric lele isnt rlly that good since you're still super weak to pursuit as is and it doesnt really provide anything potent offensively; this should just be tera fairy alongside future sight > tbolt

[soft orchid]

Most of these choices are very niche and use links please.

Opt for some sample teams

[dire silo]

https://pokepast.es/1e8b74e4ad878882
Can I go for SpDef Lando here?

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dire silo]

Coz PDef Rotom-W and Lando seem sorta redundant

Or any SpDef Ground for that matter

[dusk flare]

this koko set seems kinda not good

also washtom is like, your only water resist

so that wouldnt be ideal

id recommend putting fog on it over psplit as well bc no removal with breakers and pivots like koko and val is unideal

[dire silo]

Fog is counterintuitive on E Terrain

[dusk flare]

speaking of koko id just make this tbolt/uturn/tox/roost instead of a volt pivot set, since thats just a good way to lose out on momentum + tox > nm hits mons like zap wash hippo etc

[dusk flare]

i mean you can very easily set it up again with little issues

[dire silo]

Idk man
I'd have to get in Koko everytime before I get in Valiant

or moth for that matter

[dusk flare]

you also need to make sure its not getting worn down every time it comes in vs spikes and rocks

[dire silo]

Can I slot Tusk in last slot?

Or Treads

[dusk flare]

treads is pretty bad

tusk seems not good here imo

you lose out on a way to punish fightings like lop and zama

defensively at least

[dire silo]

helmet tusk

[dusk flare]

its your gambit check so its losing that very often

also its not investing as much and it

doesnt resist fighting at all

(defensive tusk is pretty do nothing in this tier)

[dire silo]

are we trying to make an offense team more defensive that it needs to be

[dusk flare]

lando is good on offense

i dont see the issue

when i say no removal offense like this is bad i really mean it, like spikes will cut into mons like gambit, valiant, and non boots koko very fast with little issues

unless you just spam boots

[dire silo]

Since its E Terrain, I'd rather Spin over Defog

I don't wanna lose momentum by removing my own terrain

[dusk flare]

washtom itself + lando, moth, and koko are still retaining momentum very easily

see like

in game its a lot clearer

im not rlly gonna argue for this im ngl, you shouldnt be this set on trying to make a team worse by adding something that supposedly retains momentum even though it makes your mu into top mons worse

like, a lot worse

[dire silo]

Ok fine. Maybe you are right

I'll try defog Rotom-W

Over Wisp or Split? Split, right?

[dusk flare]

split so that you still have a way to chip switchins

and beat msciz easier

[dire silo]

this makes sense tbh

its heavy volt turn

[dusk flare]

ya

[dire silo]

so setting terrain back shouldn't be tough

although
are 4 volt turners excessive

[dusk flare]

there are a lot of mons koko can come in on to set up terrain vs so its fine

well i mean

the mons you have here naturally run uturn/volt anyways

so its nbd

[dire silo]

I mean maybe slot in a coverage move on Moth over U-turn

Although U-turn is great synergy with Kingambit

[dusk flare]

its better synergy with like wash/valiant since you bait in heatran and glisc and other bulky non pdef grounds

like chomp tinglu glisc

er non spdef

not pdef

(or ones weak to val at least)

[dire silo]

Cool

So we still go for max pdef lando?

[dusk flare]

ya

you want it to reliably beat fightings mentioned before

you cover a lot of special attackers here pretty well anyways i feel

ghold, pult, tran, opposing valiant

[dire silo]

also discharge or eball moth?

discharge hits harder in terrain

but e ball is better vs mpert and ting lu

[dusk flare]

tera grass eball i find is pretty good on pivot sets

you can bait grounds and chip them for a lot more

[dire silo]

gotchu

and sludge wave

or psychic

coz pex

[dusk flare]

think pex should be covered well enough by uturning out and going koko

[dire silo]

right

I'll try it out

https://pokepast.es/973f0d127ffd85d1

thanks

[dusk flare]

ya np

tbh i would recommend max speed low kick gambit here too if you're having trouble with opposing gambit (low kick > iron head, you beat fairies well enough already through pressure)

[full blaze]

for ubers, why are people using regirock

[soft orchid]

https://pokepast.es/517b42f13a385853 How is this team? I took the info of the ground type and did the Great tusk. But it didn't work out. So Lando it was

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[soft orchid]

Not the place bud. Sorry

[full blaze]

what

oh

shi

sorry

[dusk flare]

ladder is just bad

regirock is unviable there

[full blaze]

yes but ive seen 4 teams using it

[dusk flare]

thats purely a coincidence then

[full blaze]

all high ladder

[dusk flare]

its pretty awful

[soft orchid]

And also Pex wasn't really working the problem with Hazards was really an issue and even if Great tusk was able to remove Hazards the team would weared down enough to get KO'd. And the tusk had heavy duty boots to.

[dusk flare]

lando should be physdef with helmet and no speed evs; future sight > tbolt on lele would be a lot better here to facilitate mlop / pult as breakers and tbolt doesnt hit much of relevance

[soft orchid]

https://pokepast.es/58ebba6cd96607a4 Better?

[dusk flare]

looks better to me yea, you could also probs do with something like tusk > lop and washtom > lando too

since the team doesnt have much for opposing tran outside of tera grass tran

[soft orchid]

For me Tusk didn't really work out any set I used. but thanks!

[dusk flare]

what sets did you use

[soft orchid]

First I Tried scarf. But didn't work out. Then Heavy-Duty Boots. Didn't either.

[dusk flare]

scarf is not a good set yea

usually you can just try out the standard in cc/headlong rush/ice spinner/rapid spin

with boots/lefties etc

[soft orchid]

OK I'm finding a lot of scarf tusks now

[heavy quest]

Can I post a team that has ursaluna in here even tho its not out yet

[soft orchid]

Maybe but it's going to be hard to give info without its impact yet.

[soft orchid]

It's probably going to be a solid OU mon but who knows.

[dusk flare]

yea its better to post teams once they're actually available

because no one's really used them in actual games

[soft orchid]

But one things for sure.

Ursaluna and sneasler are looking very threatening.

[heavy quest]

I mean just for speculation

Thought ig I'll just post that in comp general huh

Well thx

[cloud cipher]

https://pokepast.es/380b7977ec6d2fa2
Anything to change, like moveset, items or even pokémon (except for latias, because she is must have for me hehe, only remove mega stone if i have to)

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/fe193f51e0a6ecca

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

cane is better than bleakwind and ur 6-0ed by pult

[dire silo]

I think SpDef Tran makes Pult MU much better

Sub DD Pult can beat SpDef Tran

[feral canopy]

252 SpA Choice Specs Dragapult Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 232+ SpD Heatran: 115-136 (29.7 - 35.2%) -- 20.9% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

[dire silo]

But M Scizor is decent enough vs it

[feral canopy]

252 SpA Choice Specs Tera Ghost Dragapult Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 232+ SpD Heatran: 154-182 (39.8 - 47.1%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

0 SpA Heatran Magma Storm vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Dragapult: 84-100 (26.4 - 31.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after trapping damage

u r forced to always magma, if it teras it can beat u after minor chip

if it doesnt then it has to switch out once then beat u

its not good enough

[dire silo]

Yeah

Their team seems to have redundancies

2 fires, 2 steels, 2 flying types

They could do with Gambit somewhere

[soft orchid]

https://pokepast.es/048931b9b6e0d347 how's this?

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

rotom and suit gambit drains momentum u already have a val u have negative reason to run grimm over koko, opposing val clicks

[dire silo]

Never thought I'll hear that rotom drains momentum

But yeah it's ho

Rotom's bad on HO

[uncut peak]

help me

help meeee

[rotund delta]

https://pokepast.es/29722b5f60759193

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rotund delta]

wish i could fit pult

[limber crypt]

garg doesnt look like it fits here really

and given that zama pult is a good core and u have kgb for pult already id do pult > garg

[rotund delta]

alr

[limber crypt]

flyz zap over hdb might also be worth

[rotund delta]

if i’m running pult i’d rather have that be my z user

https://pokepast.es/b55ea65d8bca72d0

[dire silo]

kgb, lmao

[iron summit]

Maybe special pult instead

Tera ghost shadow ball is really nice

[ruby radish]

Does Victini fit better then blaziken here?
https://pokepast.es/d231ccebf91c52a1

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[astral fulcrum]

https://pokepast.es/0dfad5b258bba9ba

[limber crypt]

ye, probably want ferro over ches too

vic should prob be encore bc this team doesnt have yhe best gambit mu

[cold fog]

https://pokepast.es/7cf93ca0ba5f3a2f

where can i fit defog on this team?

[feral canopy]

on the landorus therian

[cold fog]

who should i lead with/

[feral canopy]

a pokemon

[pale spear]

🥸

[raven granite]

choose leads based on what will benefit you the most in that matchup

[cold fog]

😱 no freaking way

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cold fog]

https://pokepast.es/aa7b4ff88f5dec80

[dusky carbon]

i like it

[raven granite]

Based gen 8 👍

And yeah this looks swag

You could try crash over axel on vile here but its honestly up to you

[feral timber]

https://pokepast.es/05e79dd71164ac47

I made this recently and it didn't work too well. Any advice on how to improve it?

[oblique bison]

https://pokepast.es/0ce09e2080c2389f

[night kiln]

This team is outdated. Haven't battled much for a while. Help me update it.
https://pokepast.es/a817d86cf2926f73

@limber crypt

[oblique bison]

@limber crypt this is my first attempt at a team after a few months

[deft sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/7dfdfff1627ce904

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[deft sequoia]

@cobalt skiff how does it look

[cold fog]

i dont want to miss ☹️

also it was meant to be on crash i forgot to change it haha

[feral timber]

https://pokepast.es/00946068210c5ae8

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral timber]

@limber crypt How can I improve this team?

[feral canopy]

u start by removing the entire top half, and potentially more

[royal idol]

Dude i love playing with this team

[zealous epoch]

Are there any links to nat dex SS previous sample teams

Ou

[wild sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/799609711f379c4b Scarlet/Violet ND, thinking of dropping Dragapult ngl

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ember hollow]

Good pfp

[feral canopy]

.

[ember hollow]

Not u adam

[feral canopy]

Ok.

I Guessed That.

[wild sentinel]

[feral timber]

https://pokepast.es/974407cb8669d267
Gen 9 Nat Dex, not too sure about tornadus. Any support pokemon that fit the team?

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

super auto player

@pale spear super auto pets player

[pale spear]

goat shit

i still need to find the elusive nso player

[outer zenith]

https://pokepast.es/bec88b3739da48e9

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[orchid dune]

https://pokepast.es/6211c95261b3d816 what i can put instead garchomp?(i can give stealth rock to ferro instead protect)

[glass tapir]

https://pokepast.es/c449d97010a6d2c0

[willow topaz]

axel misses even more

[deft sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/7dfdfff1627ce904 repost

[rotund delta]

https://pokepast.es/fe8f988329b6362b h

[buoyant haven]

https://pokepast.es/d700f11896e78928 Me when the Wake has the Walked away

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[buoyant haven]

bumping this @pale spear

[feral canopy]

make tusk not defensive

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/8b09c5a33d1cf61c won like 15 games with it and only lost once with it so its going well

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

this is certainly a team of all time

[limber crypt]

ye this is weird

[limber crypt]

make lando defensive, drop uxie and enam for like clef and torn

probably wanna drop corv for like kingambit too

[outer zenith]

https://pokepast.es/bec88b3739da48e9 repost

[wild sentinel]

Repostin

https://pokepast.es/799609711f379c4b Scarlet/Violet ND, thinking of dropping Dragapult ngl

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[latent stone]

https://pokepast.es/3c8942625543974c

[limber crypt]

Crunch on zama, sub on latios over mfire, i think u can run koko over pult but im not really sure for that slot

[limber crypt]

i think u should look at samples; most of these guys outside of zard arent too viable

[wild sentinel]

Any mons I could slap onto the team could act as a switch-in for physical moves besides Zama

[limber crypt]

Ferro but three steels aint it really

some sort of water resist

pex probs

[cyan swift]

https://pokepast.es/22324b787a034297

Anything to change ?

[dusky carbon]

why is this double z

i like it though

[cyan swift]

what item ?

as replacement

[dusky carbon]

prob lefties drill

[long bronze]

Quick question, which team do y'all think is better?
I do like Iron treads over gastrodon, but the less water coverage and ton of steel types does make me feel iffy
https://pokepast.es/ff388156702fee3b
https://pokepast.es/532974a3a1697841

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[buoyant haven]

Would like something to fill the last slot, to fix my rainmatchup, plz ?

[dusky carbon]

a water?

or@like kart

[buoyant haven]

something speciifically to replace my walking wake slot

[dusky carbon]

yeah a water

[outer zenith]

https://pokepast.es/bec88b3739da48e9

[iron summit]

Volcanion

[tall stirrup]

Any suggestions on how to improve this team?

[iron summit]

Destiny bond sharpedo

Trust

[iron summit]

Also you have like one answer to fightings

Also why mono dark

[tall stirrup]

Just for fun

[feral canopy]

then post this in the mono channel

[feral timber]

https://pokepast.es/e1d3ec982d8a7ddc

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[idle knoll]

https://pokepast.es/2cd4452d47549aa0
I like king power but it's way to slow

What shud I do

[agile glade]

https://pokepast.es/e159ef3325acdc38

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[agile glade]

i just need a ground to deal with koko

[limber crypt]

scarf lando > mlati, washtom > zap, sr clef > gren

[agile glade]

[glass tapir]

https://pokepast.es/8c1a48168e5855b5

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

Yeah im gonna recommend a sample here, all of these dudes are basically unviable

[wanton kernel]

https://pokepast.es/7e34cbd8c7755674

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

You have 0 (zero) Ubers Pokemon

[wanton kernel]

true but is it good overall

[feral canopy]

It is Not

[wanton kernel]

it seemed to work pretty well, is no ubers pokemon faulty?

except the fact you have to deal with multiple legendaries at one point

i see your point

[feral canopy]

Yes

[iron summit]

Just use miridon

Ez

[raven granite]

isnt mirai banned from nd ubers

[iron summit]

I dunno lol

Wouldn’t be surprising

[proven karma]

it is

it’s one of the five pokemon in ndag

[devout fjord]

This is a team from when Gen 9 was brand new

Roast it

https://pokepast.es/50e5a33456e6db23

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

this is not good 🔥

[devout fjord]

I know

I have a better team on my mobile

[pale spear]

Ok

[feral canopy]

u have no ghost resists half the mons are bad

and lead pex clears u

rebuild w help from@da samples

🔥🔥🔥

[devout fjord]

Nah

I like it how it is

[feral canopy]

theb

[raven granite]

Why wouldnt you at least run mega chicken lmaooo

[feral canopy]

why did u post ir here

[devout fjord]

Brings back some memories from a friends a while back

[feral canopy]

[raven granite]

Me omw to ask for people to rate my team (i will avoid all criticism)

[pale spear]

@feral canopy can u rate my team

[feral canopy]

girl....

wait

we freed mblaze

wtfrog

[raven granite]

Yes we did

[feral canopy]

NO

[devout fjord]

THATS ME RN!

[feral canopy]

STFUUYYYY

Un

Walled by Dondozo.

[raven granite]

Of course you would not know that, so called "national dex expert"

[feral canopy]

[pale spear]

Holy

https://pokepast.es/b394428e5b10db00

[feral canopy]

DONT

.

walls are talking to me

[pale spear]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-23548728

?

SLUDGE BOMB

[raven granite]

Dont u just encore volc

Ig that puts you in a tough spot tho

Does +1 lorb fblast ohko stail

[feral canopy]

it also loses tonfetrothorn

[pale spear]

The Tech

Wait

I’m stupid

Jus Tera dragon dozo

Rona solved

Omg I’m the goat

[iron summit]

🔥 rain team (no mega swamp) https://pokepast.es/37308a38752ec053

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[feral canopy]

put mega swampert 🔥🔥🔥

[dusky carbon]

what if he doesn’t want to

[cold fog]

https://pokepast.es/ee547934de7aad67

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cold fog]

r8 pls

[feral canopy]

lando over zama

physdef

[cold fog]

fanks

is that it?

[feral canopy]

make lele tera fairy

think u need more speed on torn if i rememver correctly for val

make gambit tera poison

im more of a fan of psychic on lele

over shock

and hp fire over fs

but these two are preference

[cold fog]

alr coo thanks

[cold fog]

would tera flying not be better?

[cold fog]

no val max speed is 364 this is 365

[limber crypt]

sneasler ecists now

u can run 248 speed

[shadow oasis]

@jovial shoal

[jovial shoal]

Here

[shadow oasis]

send team

[jovial shoal]

https://pokepast.es/ff3c7ded2cadefcd

[shadow oasis]

hmm what is this supposed to be

offense?

[jovial shoal]

Something of an offensive, with toxapex and ghold as defence

[shadow oasis]

hmm so like balance?

[jovial shoal]

Yeah

[shadow oasis]

hm alright

so first of scarf gren is super mid so you dont need it unless u want it on the team

[jovial shoal]

Nope I don't want him

[shadow oasis]

ah ok

there are better scarfers to use like lele so if u wanna use that i would recommend it

scarf lele is good speed control on balance and can be hard to switch into unless there is a ghold on the opposing team

[jovial shoal]

Ok

Volcarona is doing any good?

[shadow oasis]

i wouldnt say volcarona is too good on balance but more of an offensive/hyper offensive mon

thats where it serves best

[jovial shoal]

I just took gliscor after my previous battle where i was sweeped by it

[shadow oasis]

u got swept by volc?

[jovial shoal]

No gliscor

[shadow oasis]

oh i see

[jovial shoal]

I might need a full rework on team

[shadow oasis]

that would be a good plan

[jovial shoal]

Got any suggestions for balanced which covers most types?

[shadow oasis]

well hmm lets see

as a balance mon i like mega lop

theres tons u can use tho

mlop, mmedi, etc

[jovial shoal]

Mega gardevoir?

[shadow oasis]

mega gardevoir is actually doing ok rn i would say

insane special attack stat with coverage to deal with its threats

[jovial shoal]

I see

[shadow oasis]

its definitely not the best but its a solid option for sure

[jovial shoal]

If there's toxapex is there any need for ghold?

But toxapex is weak to psychic or electric attack

[shadow oasis]

toxapex is fine on this team

ghold isnt needed to be honest i got some better steels we can use to pair with mgarde

[jovial shoal]

Like?

[shadow oasis]

well for one we got kingambit

we can use kingambit to deal with enemy dragapult and gholdengo

[jovial shoal]

Oh that one looks cool imma add it

[shadow oasis]

because they are two mgarde threats

[jovial shoal]

A physical attacker, Garchomp is good choice?

[shadow oasis]

i was thinking of saving the ground slot for a fogger but garchomp can do fine as a rocker

[jovial shoal]

fogger?

[shadow oasis]

fogger means defog which removes hazards from ur team

[jovial shoal]

Ok

[shadow oasis]

fogger is just a short term we use for a mon that can defog

[jovial shoal]

Toxapex can setup toxic spikes

[shadow oasis]

i mean i prefer toxic to toxic spikes because you cant defog on a toxic and if you need to defog that would get rid of your spikes which u dont want necessarily

[jovial shoal]

Okay

[shadow oasis]

if u want to go with toxic spikes i recommend going garchomp < great tusk so you can spin without getting rid of your toxic spikes

[jovial shoal]

I see

Mgarde, toxapex, tusk, kingambit

[shadow oasis]

solid team

next i would recommend a rocker

[jovial shoal]

Stealth rock?

[shadow oasis]

rocker as in a mon that can put down stealth rocks

yeah

[jovial shoal]

Landorus?

[shadow oasis]

hold on a sec let me see

ah i have got a really good mon to pick

that would be heatran

[jovial shoal]

Yup

Fire and steel get's covered

[shadow oasis]

heatran can provide rocks and can be a good lele check

also can trap other steels for mgarde

that are out of range of killing

[jovial shoal]

Okay

Mgarde, toxapex, tusk, kingambit, heatran

[shadow oasis]

now last

we need a ground immune

a flying type

[jovial shoal]

Corvk

[shadow oasis]

i wouldnt recommend corv

its quite bad at the moment

[jovial shoal]

Dragonite?

[shadow oasis]

its quite passive and can only beat one rocker

well i was thinking more zapdos

[jovial shoal]

I see

[shadow oasis]

zapdos can voltswitch out of a lot of mons

[jovial shoal]

We can go with that

[shadow oasis]

You can also use zapdos as a backup hazard remover with defog

[jovial shoal]

Alr

[shadow oasis]

If tusk is down or something

but thats up to you

[jovial shoal]

Tusk got rapid spin rigut?

[shadow oasis]

Yea

[jovial shoal]

Lemme put them all together and try to make a team

[shadow oasis]

okie dokie

[jovial shoal]

I'll send link here

Ty

[shadow oasis]

np

[tender flare]

https://pokepast.es/4c1b7c7e4685fa4d

[celest merlin]

New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

this looks fine, i like pads on sneasler though

And i prefer rocks gastro to spikes gastro with cm clef

Gastro as a mon just doesnt click spikes as much as u want it to

[feral canopy]

this is 6-0ed by dragapult

that clef set is not a check

it leads t1 clicks tera and clears the entire team

[jovial shoal]

https://pokepast.es/f2847dcab8dea807

[cold fog]

no ground move ongreat tusk?

and why earthquake on heatran

and not earth pwoer?

[jovial shoal]

Made changes

[shadow oasis]

team as in mons look fine but can be made changes move wise and spread wise

[jovial shoal]

Guess so, i tried to implement the basic necessity and used the free moves slots incorrectly

I tried this team but if gardevoir is fainted early on then there's no other heavy attackers in team left

[feral canopy]

im ngl in a tera economy now

what does garde have over lele

[feral canopy]

and gambit

[raven granite]

outspeeding shifu if i had to guess

[shadow oasis]

garde is decent imo

insane special attack and doesnt negate any priority with gambit

only think bad is its slower

[feral canopy]

the special attack is kinda negated with terrain for psychic type and tera for fairy type attacks

[feral canopy]

that goes both ways

[shadow oasis]

True

[feral canopy]

252+ Atk Black Glasses Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gardevoir-Mega: 220-261 (79.4 - 94.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

i wld say

its more on the negative side

ull nearly always have terrain up when lele is out, so gambit 90% of the time cant rk u

and when gambit is out most of the time terrain is finished or got reset or is about done

[feral canopy]

its faster

[feral canopy]

this is w no item btw

item kinda makes the special attack p much the same for fairy (and much better for psychic)

[feral canopy]

idt its like really bad but

even in a tier without lele its still mediocre

and even w lele generally u can fill out a p much equal role and do it better

[shadow oasis]

ye

[novel escarp]

What do you guys think

[dusky carbon]

not good

and last respects is banned

[feral canopy]

i think u shld read

[gray meteor]

Im thinking of like replcing something for taunt and stealth rock

but without sticky web xurkitree is too slow

any idea

[gray meteor]

Game plan is sticky web Galvan start. Switch into poltergeist to prevent rapid spin

Excadrill to stop unaware

[dusky carbon]

there r better web moms

ns

[gray meteor]

I have to use net deck because it’s it has all mons, but I’m keeping it to gen 8 only

If you could give me some option that would be nice I’m new to this format

[dusky carbon]

ribombee shuckle araq

[gray meteor]

What would you run on them?

[novel escarp]

I can't find the normal ou post

[dusky carbon]

ribombee it’s usually webs moonblast stun spore last filler

shuckle it’s webs rocks encore gambit

[gray meteor]

Thank you so much

Any other change to the team

[feral canopy]

sswap lastp

[gray meteor]

Updated

should I change any else

and maybe a thunder wave or toxic or osmething?

[feral canopy]

if ur cp mew u shld be tera poison, altho idek why ur cp mew here since it doesnt benefit from webs at all

[gray meteor]

I wont be using that

house rule

[feral canopy]

what

[gray meteor]

no tera

[feral canopy]

why

[gray meteor]

We are using this format, but we are keeping from using anything above gen 8

no dynamax ofc

[feral canopy]

???

with those types of custom rules u cant rlly build solid teams

if ur banning tera and g9 mons

[gray meteor]

just doing the best I can

sorry I should explain we are using pixelmon rule. They dont have it we cant do anything about it

[feral canopy]

pixelmon

😭

[gray meteor]

😛

[feral canopy]

then i assume ur opponents are also gna be doing the same

do u need to stick to webs

[gray meteor]

yeah

no

[feral canopy]

or can u go any playstyle

[gray meteor]

not necessarily

[feral canopy]

ok

try screens

[gray meteor]

I would have to replace xurkitree wouldnt I?

screen meaning tapu lele?

[feral canopy]

i would suggest not using xurk at all

no

koko

light screen + reflect

[gray meteor]

remember when I say pixelmon? I kinda dont have koko ;p

[feral canopy]

grimmsnarl at least??

what do u have

[gray meteor]

I can certainly do that

[dusky carbon]

adem is a avid pixelmon player too

[feral canopy]

🥸🥸🥸

[gray meteor]

what would you switch the team to

if it was you

[feral canopy]

i wld do some kind of weather or screens ho

those generally farm bad players

[gray meteor]

ik there will be a trick room

I wouldnt say they are bad

Would say 1400 give or take 100 on showdown

well not bad for me cuz im bad

[gray meteor]

would a trick choice item

or trick assault vest somebody?

[feral canopy]

u cannot trick an assault vest

and the primary trick room setter has magic bounce

[gray meteor]

oh right

[feral canopy]

and its not like its really stopping them from setting trick room anyways

[gray meteor]

yeah

thats why I have mew

as a tank