#NatDex OU Rates

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pale spear
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p2 doesnt rly do much

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doesnt wall anything super notable apart from pult

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and is super weak to knock and hazrads

plain epoch
cobalt skiff
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๐Ÿ™‚

green notch
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@pale spear

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Valiant set is odd i admit

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what changes do I need to do?

pale spear
green notch
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yo

pale spear
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im ngl i have next to no experience w/ building and using rain in this tier

green notch
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ic

pale spear
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maybe ask someone else, theyll give u better input

green notch
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walking wake is p interesting since it can deal sun team

pale spear
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i can sya that u prob want barra in general

green notch
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which rain is weak to

pale spear
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its prob the best tera abuser in rain

green notch
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hmm

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aight thank

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@ember hollow

plain epoch
pale spear
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but if u wanna

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replace it with landorus-t and then put either kingambit or mttar instead of corv

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bc u need something to check pult w/o ting

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oh also make it scarftom otherwise u have no speed control

spiral pond
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solar valley
heavy quest
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Also am I allowed to ping raters if chatot doesnt

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pale spear
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Eg skele

pale spear
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Depending on which side u wanna lean towards I wld suggest building to that side first

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Feel free to paste it again after but idk if Iโ€™ll get to it since I abt to go sleep

peak wind
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peak wind
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Im not sure how valuable pursuit/dark typing is to my team so im having thoguhts of replacing ferrothorn/heatran with mega ttar and getting a stronger band user

dusk flare
# peak wind https://pokepast.es/c99f99602d61ac8a

dd dnite > defog, bulky dnite isnt rlly the best choice in most cases bc its much better offensively and fog sets run into major coverage and passivity issues (like this one; its walled by any steel type).

with that change, fog washtom > ape for hazard removal for the most part

bulky rocks tran > specs; a lot more defensive utility as a steel type and helps as a way to check opposing lele / uturn sciz / volc etc a lot better w the added longevity

spikes ting lu > ferro imo; the rain mu is secured quite nicely by the first two i recommended + this makes the team a lot better into kingambit

weav i think is fine here

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u can maybe replace weav with pult and go iron valiant > lele

peak wind
dusk flare
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if u wanna keep ape id probably go fog torn > dnite then

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and apply all other changes

peak wind
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I see ty

peak wind
dusk flare
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psychics and ghosts arent the biggest of issues if u make the changes i recommended and if u go that core

peak wind
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Ye alr

tranquil sedge
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tranquil sedge
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MORE Webs

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because yes

pale spear
tranquil sedge
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cant switch those

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and kingambit is a defensive offensive juggernaut

pale spear
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ideally with ur team u should be able to play even with hazards up

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but u absolutely need a water resist somewhere

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otherwise rain runs u over

tranquil sedge
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admittedly my team is TOO slow without webs

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im flexible with my tera

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that can deal with rain when needed

pale spear
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tera cant be ur only water resist

tranquil sedge
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but which mon should i switch

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this is just my other team but throwing out manaphy for thundurus

pale spear
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i alr said id recommend removing gt

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altho thundy is prob hte next most expendabel

tranquil sedge
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i already said the ghol tusk core is too good i cant

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thanks to it i can control my hazards

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i could replace thundy

pale spear
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then do that

tranquil sedge
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oh hey

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rilla goes hard af

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but my team is practically fucked by other rilla

pale spear
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rilla is v mid

tranquil sedge
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then which mon work

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i aint sure

pale spear
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mana, urshifu

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u can even run a zsunny day walking wake

tranquil sedge
unreal canopy
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any help with this

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any advice against any matchups I might struggle against

summer delta
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unreal canopy
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What set should I run for chomp and Lando-T?

pale spear
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Also for items u can go a z on blaze and specs on wake

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strange carbon
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INTERNET

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wrong channel

pale spear
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u can make ting a defog lando, corv a rocks ferro, garg a pivot koko and pursuit kingambit

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that wld give u a pr good hard offense

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if u want smth a bit more similar to the original strucutre

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uhh

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hmu later i dont got anything rn

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pale spear
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mayb u cld try defog torn > corv

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pex > val

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sr tect garg which lets u run ruin on ting

plain epoch
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Okay

pale spear
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and optionally ghold > gambit

plain epoch
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Okay il give em a try rq

pale spear
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aite

hard creek
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limber crypt
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gen 8 right

hard creek
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mhm

limber crypt
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This looks like it struggles a bit with kyurem

hard creek
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oh yeah :C

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its mostly just some grass spam core ig

limber crypt
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u can prob go with a diff rker over kartana

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like mlop

hard creek
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so ditch the grassspam core altogether?

limber crypt
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im just not a fan of grass spam but thats not to say it couldnt work

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like if u went with stuff over pex and clef that would improve the kyu mu

hard creek
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like?

limber crypt
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seavile ig

hard creek
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magically makes Weavile into a water to become Seavile jk

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but what will Weav replace?

limber crypt
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pex i think

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then make clef twave + hwish maybe

hard creek
limber crypt
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ye i like this

hard creek
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ok thx ๐Ÿ˜„

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time to randomly pump out another team ;-;

spare kiln
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pale spear
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scarf val and scarf lele both seem like good fits here

spare kiln
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Edited for Scarf Val, and yea defog over pain split sounds good

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Also I personally think investing a bit of SpD in Ferro helps in the Greninja matchup

cobalt skiff
limber crypt
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sub > fblast on pult, whip > gyro on ferro, crunch > assurance on ttar, focus blast > aura sphere on iron valiant

swift sinew
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I need help to improve my team

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raven granite
swift sinew
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Hm

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Well I would like to try

raven granite
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Sorry for the delay

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pale spear
tacit fiber
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dusk flare
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fyi i would avoid using cyclizar on non ho/offense teams since there tend to be a lot less abusers of shed tail on it

tacit fiber
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alright, thank you

dusk flare
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np!

tacit fiber
dusk flare
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ok i just noticed the team is rly slow so u might want smth like scarf ghold > kingambit since u still need a steel as well

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make sure that garg is spdef as well

tacit fiber
tacit fiber
dusk flare
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can change garg tera to water and this looks good!

tacit fiber
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alright thanks!

autumn perch
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Gen 8 dex

unreal canopy
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any suggestions?

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I feel my team may get rolled by rain teams with mega swampert but that's the only thing I see

pale spear
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The gren slot is interchangeable with Weav , depends on if ud rather have spikes or suit

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If u choose to keep Corv maybe make it idef or bu to deal with msciz

pale spear
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Make Hoopa cb, make Heatran spdef Tera grass, make lando Tera water and replace Corv with av torn

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If u want even more insurance vs rain u can go ferro>Tran but ideally in the rain mu u smash with Hoopa before ur team fucking dies

unreal canopy
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also what set should I use for AV torn

autumn perch
pale spear
pale spear
autumn perch
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Would it work along with gastro + corvi + clef

pale spear
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uhh

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im not sure

unreal canopy
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tyty

pale spear
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gastrocorvclef and the likes of that normally fits on balance/fat styles and idk if that pairs well with dia

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feel free to to give it a shot, ive def built more jank stuff than that and it can work out

pale spear
unreal canopy
pale spear
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mate bleakwind storm is gonna miss anyways lmfao

unreal canopy
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10% more accuracy

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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

pale spear
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+hurricane is better in the rain mu + haxxing with confuse is a better secondary than getting that speed drop

unreal canopy
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that is true

autumn perch
unreal canopy
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aight putting hurricane on this fucker

autumn perch
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Mega diancie

pale spear
autumn perch
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Lemme send the offensive cores paste

unreal canopy
autumn perch
unreal canopy
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I replaced dnite for pult

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is that a good thing

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or should I have dnite back

pale spear
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keep dnite

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with multiscale its ur best water resist

unreal canopy
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priority oh fk

pale spear
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also make hooopa band and use the ev spread on the analysis for torn

unreal canopy
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standard set?

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for dnite?

unreal canopy
pale spear
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run roost hto u need longevity

autumn perch
unreal canopy
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espeed + eq for steels?

pale spear
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yeah exactly

unreal canopy
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walled by air balloon gholdengo, but lets be honest

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it's fine

pale spear
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also max max as in max attack max speed

unreal canopy
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oh you're talking about the evs ๐Ÿ’€

pale spear
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if air ballon gholdengo comes in u go into ur hoopa and claim one

unreal canopy
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ONG

pale spear
unreal canopy
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fuck you gholdengo

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somehow my heatran tanked an EQ

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and idk how

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but damn

autumn perch
pale spear
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melmetal gives u more immediate breaking power

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but less longevity

unreal canopy
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do people run melm with band or AV

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I used it in gen 8 OU but only with band

pale spear
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in gen 8 the main sets are protective pads and av

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band melm is kinda mid bc u have to predict well + u can still get pivoted around + u take a shitton of contact chip

unreal canopy
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it was because in gen 8

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iirc I peaked around 1500 elo

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which isn't that good

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but still alright

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I had two knock off users on my team

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so I figured "why the hell not"

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the main thing was using double iron bash on the heatran/volc switch in, because occasionally I had a flame body completely ruin it

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but yeah I guess that may have been a bad item to hold

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@pale spear

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:/

pale spear
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cest la vide

unreal canopy
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before was a conkeldurr

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that dodged the hurricane

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and knocked off my AV

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I love pokemon

autumn perch
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Screen koko + shed tail cylixar + dnite

cobalt skiff
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first game new team is going pretty well

pearl oasis
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Quaquaval @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Moxie
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Aqua Step
  • Rapid Spin
  • Close Combat
  • Roost
    Is roost replacable on this set with something like taunt, ice spinner, or a set up move?
pale spear
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not really a good pokemon

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because we have a guy called urshifu rapid strike

pearl oasis
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besides, this set isn't really for the ladder, it's for a challenge so answer my question please?

pale spear
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alr

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id recommed sd over spin

pearl oasis
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only 2 attacks?

pale spear
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ye

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u dont need spin just click step

pearl oasis
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would appreciate hazard removal tho

buoyant haven
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https://pokepast.es/6057483e2e42500c I want to use a sun team, but i can' t figure out the last two team memebers. Two potential additions were venusaur and washtom, but i want something to set hazards.

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buoyant haven
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also tera types would be nice

pale spear
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as for tera types, walking wake is fine altho id def consider water/dragon, tusk shld be water or steel and tar should be dark

pale spear
buoyant haven
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Thanks !
So chlorophyll venusaur just sucks ?

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What is the spread for defensive tusk, since the strategy dex doesn't include it for natdex ? Is it just max. HP & max. Def. ?

pale spear
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i mean

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chloro venu doesnt suck per se

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but it doesnt rly work well here consider ing u only have 5 sun turns

rich wren
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is anyone gonna rate my team?

spare kiln
limber crypt
limber crypt
spare kiln
limber crypt
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Its not a bad idea, but its certainly not necessary

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Dengo gives u a better backbone vs opposing psychics, which medi rly likes

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or actually hm

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U could try rotom-w as well

spare kiln
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Or Defog

buoyant haven
pale spear
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bolt strike

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and then last can be trick or final gambit

buoyant haven
limber crypt
pale spear
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normally just max hp max pdef is fine

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if u want u can tech a bit of spdef / speed but thats up to u

spare kiln
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Does my team need a source of hazard removal?

pale spear
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moves u run sr knock spin and either bpress or eq

buoyant haven
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thank you !

pale spear
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np

wild sentinel
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wild sentinel
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@limber crypt Any other mons I could slap onto the team besides Specs Pult?

dusk flare
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Sol rated it already.

cobalt skiff
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so heres the team

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dual screens bullshit

cobalt skiff
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more

inner ledge
cobalt skiff
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Hey guys! I found this sun team online, though it is from years ago. Is there anyone who might be able to give me advice on how to pimp my team out? Walking wake is a big trend recently missing from the team; here is the paste! https://pokepast.es/ba7664bdb45b32f9

celest merlinBOT
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pale spear
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LOL

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BY AADEM

cobalt skiff
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you askin me or the bot?

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๐Ÿคฃ

pale spear
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oh nah

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aadem is just

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a very recognisable figure

cobalt skiff
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gotchu gotchu

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i see your tag, if you got a moment, I'm gonna go brush my teeth and would appreciate your help ๐Ÿ˜„

pale spear
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alright

cobalt skiff
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doesnt have to be a deep dive, just some suggestions make my 1300elo world go round

pale spear
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fit rocks somewhere on torkoal, we can go great tusk > mchomp. make the lelelucha core something else - example wld be walking wake for another breaker + kingambit to pursuit trap dragapult

cobalt skiff
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got it

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thank you!

cobalt skiff
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is that now left to gambit suckerpunch?

pale spear
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yeah but

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oh i forgot to mention

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we go scarf vic here

cobalt skiff
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ah okay

pale spear
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yeah

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thats ur primary speed control

cobalt skiff
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ima make all those changes rn

pale spear
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and then wake in sun and gambit can help

cobalt skiff
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vcreate in sun sounds so vile

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specs wake or sub agility?

pale spear
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i think specs is better here

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u can shift between spat and speed boosting

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depending on what mus u think ur struggling more vs

cobalt skiff
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i guess thatll come with playtesting

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ill go with speed for now

feral canopy
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holy

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this shit is old old

cobalt skiff
cobalt skiff
pale spear
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yeah

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he found it as well

feral canopy
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๐Ÿฅธ

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It Is My Team

cobalt skiff
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๐Ÿ’€

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I am a big fan sir ๐Ÿ’ฏ

feral canopy
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however

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it needs a fuck ton of changes to not be bad in sv nd

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i hope chris said the right things

cobalt skiff
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oh

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well then..................

feral canopy
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ok he did

cobalt skiff
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๐Ÿคฃ

feral canopy
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u r good

cobalt skiff
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heres the new team

feral canopy
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yeah that looks fine by me

cobalt skiff
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i went for phy defensive great tusk cause the offensive ones just feel worse

feral canopy
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i am not a scorching sands victini believer though

cobalt skiff
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i kinda freestyled on his set tho

feral canopy
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but i suppose it makes sense

cobalt skiff
feral canopy
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bulky tusk does nothing well

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it just sits there and cries

feral canopy
cobalt skiff
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dayum.

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sooooooooooooo headlong rush cc eject pack tusk

feral canopy
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lefties is fine

cobalt skiff
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( i am so sorry for planting that here )

feral canopy
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or booster

cobalt skiff
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okay

feral canopy
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epack surely cant be that bad

pale spear
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what

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why booster

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This Is A Sun Team

cobalt skiff
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okay so what do offensive tusks run? cc headlong rush rapid spin bulk up?

feral canopy
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When The Sun Runs Out Chris

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IT WORKED BEFORE

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but

pale spear
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u need spinner somewhere there

feral canopy
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lefties is probably better

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ya

pale spear
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for mr torn and mr lando

feral canopy
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spin spinner cc headlong

cobalt skiff
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got it

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the NEW AND IMPROVED sun team

feral canopy
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swaglicious

cobalt skiff
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perfecto

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i hit 1399 today and lost

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i was furious

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i will peak with sun team

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thank you community, big help from both @feral canopy and @pale spear , appreciate you guys

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๐Ÿ˜„

pale spear
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no problem

feral canopy
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No Problemo.

cobalt skiff
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feels weird running no megas

feral canopy
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ull get used to it

cobalt skiff
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though ngl it feels like kingambit with supreme overlord is a mega on its own

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haha

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aight playtest time

feral canopy
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pretty much xd

cobalt skiff
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gn guys!

pale spear
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gn

hushed topaz
feral canopy
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having both stabs with very common immunities

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are rlly sucky

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if u wna usw hands bulky sd is the way for sure

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much better fightings otherwise

hushed topaz
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Itโ€™s like zamazenta but with a built in choice band and can destroy pex

feral canopy
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ting w mono whirl is worrywhirl

feral canopy
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one wild charge and pex cannot switch in anymore

hushed topaz
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I suppose

feral canopy
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this is my fav hands team

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wear shit down and pursuit / force the ghosts to tera

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gg

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fs + hands n gambit is also scary

sudden gazelle
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Any way it can get better?

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Like flaws or anything or sets I can improve

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or just common mons that hard check my team

feral canopy
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no water resist no ghost resist

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no ground

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u got too much shit in one team

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shifu pult dia lele

sudden gazelle
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Tera grass heatran also resists ground and tornadus is immune to it

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I see what ur saying abt the ghosts tho

feral canopy
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Resist Water*

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with an asterisk

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for clarification

sudden gazelle
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im not following

feral canopy
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252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Barraskewda Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragapult in Rain: 280-330 (88.3 - 104.1%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

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they resist water but

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they dont resist water

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252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Barraskewda Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike in Rain: 220-259 (64.5 - 75.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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heatran is also forced to tera but it cant switch in, and once it teras it makes u torn vulnerable

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u need an actual water resist

sudden gazelle
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like?

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thorn?

feral canopy
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ferro yeah is a common option

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ferro dia is a good core

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ferro dia pult ground filler filler

sudden gazelle
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so just get rid of urshifu for ferro and add ground and im good?

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Or what

feral canopy
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try these 6

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fill up the sets

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physdef ferro

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spd rocks ting lu

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physdef wisp rotom

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can make it defensive and make torn t plot as well

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wait not this

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this loses to lop

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one wwd

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act w/e

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its ntb

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just put chople on ferro

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if u want smtg more lop safe

sudden gazelle
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this?

feral canopy
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make pult specs give torn knock

sudden gazelle
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shit mb

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Dragapult @ Choice Specs
Ability: Infiltrator
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Shadow Ball
  • Draco Meteor
  • U-turn
  • Flamethrower
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Ferrothorn @ Chople Berry
Ability: Iron Barbs
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature

  • Knock Off
  • Spikes
  • Leech Seed
  • Power Whip
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?

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or do I do gyro instead of power whip

feral canopy
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gyro over knock

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another variation w shifu instead

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a lot if ways u can spin it

sudden gazelle
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I'll try all of em out

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see which ones I like

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ty tho

feral canopy
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๐Ÿ‘

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np

sudden gazelle
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appreciate it

feral canopy
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๐Ÿค

sudden gazelle
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๐Ÿค

plain epoch
feral canopy
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OK while i was thinking of the sets i realised lando is off

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ine second.

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ok

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try this

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superpower on torn is cool bc u can superpower mtar and gambit for pult, if either is slightly chipped, aka rocks + pult turn superpower kills

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hwave is also fine to threaten out ferro n stuff but i think superpiwrr is cooler

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forgot the tera types

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@plain epoch

plain epoch
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what is the eject button for?

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on pex

pale spear
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It lets u pivot out into ur breaker

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Itโ€™s solid on teams like this that appreciate the momentum

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Since pex can be a bit of a momentum drain at times

feral canopy
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ye

random finch
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idk how to improve team

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but

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at 1351 with it

feral canopy
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these are some of the sets of all time

random finch
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wdym

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????????

raven granite
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And tbh some is rly all

cobalt skiff
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Need some advices for this team. I got to 1227 with it (The highest i have ever been in) but definitely still need improvements

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cobalt skiff
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I don't build around anything

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Thinking that versatility is good

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But it's leaning towards the slower mons (Hence why i used Hatterene with Trick Room)

feral canopy
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u should build around something

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u can have versatility by building around something

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if u dont build around anything

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u will have a mess of a team that is incoherent and doesnt have any synergy

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basically what u have rn

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all of these mons dont work with one another, especially with how the sets are looking at rn

random finch
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hey

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everyone

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rate it

inner ledge
random finch
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ok

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but cinderace

cobalt skiff
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60 bp

hushed topaz
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Tusk should be here somewhere

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If Iโ€™m playing against this team Iโ€™m leading my gambit t1 clicking Tera dark sd once and win the game

inner ledge
raven granite
hushed topaz
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I think

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It actually is

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Good catch @raven granite

feral canopy
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LOL

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missed that too

raven granite
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lol i've tried to get chatgpt to make teams before

hushed topaz
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I have too

feral canopy
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@random finch make ur own team

hushed topaz
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I can tell by the text passage on the right side of the paste

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Itโ€™s very botty

feral canopy
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yeah

raven granite
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also tera types

feral canopy
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the last line

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is a chatgpt line

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team is unfortunately ass

hushed topaz
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New no ai generated team rule?

raven granite
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i think "the teams should be your own" encapsulates ai generated teams too

feral canopy
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good point

cobalt skiff
inner ledge
feral canopy
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u say hyper offense

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but then the second mon is literally a clodsire

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i think u forgot the hyper and offense part of hyper offense

hushed topaz
raven granite
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roost is just a setup move that boosts your hp

inner ledge
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I asked for thoughts on the set not the mf name

cobalt skiff
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whats up guys

celest merlinBOT
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cobalt skiff
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after playing a sun team yesterday, well,

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i really didnt understand it and as someone who used to play snow, the access to alolan ninetails and chilly reception is awesome

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i wanted to use a snow team, but am not sure whether belly drum eiscue, cetitan, or ddance bax was the correct sweeper. also i have no real experience teambuilding outside of watching a few youtube videos so i will try to explain my thought process:

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ice types hate rocks so 2 strong defoggers in corv and tornadus

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ninetails for weather+veil+safeguard for an inevitable tox user

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urshifu as he resists most of ice's weaknesses while being strong himself as a setup sweeper

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This teambuilding at 2am is not a trend i will participate in (i promise) but i kinda got hooked on snow and tried to craft a team

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feel free to make changes where need be!

dusky carbon
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Ox hail at home

cobalt skiff
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What does that mean

buoyant haven
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This team singlehandedly turned hail teams from a noobtrap playstyle into a legitimate threat.

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Eventually hail went from overbearing to just good as players adapted to it.

cobalt skiff
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ohh

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Ox hail at home is just the name of the dude and his team

buoyant haven
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"At home" is part of the joke

cobalt skiff
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okok

buoyant haven
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Note that snow is pretty mid in natdex (no idea why)

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But you can still ping one of the raters

cobalt skiff
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Okay! I'll look into that!

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ty

buoyant haven
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Np

inner ledge
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limber crypt
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Curious what u built this around, fyara and grimm are mainly confined to ho but the rest of the team makes this look like bo

cobalt skiff
spare epoch
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Not a helper but head smash tusk is based beyond belief

winter hawk
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the team my sister picked

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if u have any criticisms I will tell her

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@burnt atlas thoughts? (I did read I should ping to summon)

raven granite
feral canopy
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if u want a hyper offense clodsire zap wont be here

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if u want a bo gyara grimm wont be there

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the sets are fine but they dont fit together

feral canopy
winter hawk
spare kiln
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plain epoch
inner ledge
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ykwim

inner ledge
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I made zapdos more defensive and made gholdengo the scarf set

cobalt skiff
spare kiln
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Gambit replacing what

raven granite
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Feel like there are lines that can't be crossed there

willow topaz
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not that serious

dusky carbon
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slender man ๐Ÿคฏ

raven granite
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the slender man isn't the important part it's locking somebody's sister in a cellar

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feels fucked up to say that abt a complete stranger

dusky carbon
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whatโ€™s a cellar

raven granite
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a basement

feral canopy
dusky carbon
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they coulda just said basement

feral canopy
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ok fair

inner ledge
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hushed topaz
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The tinglu on HO is insane

cobalt skiff
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yeeehehe

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hushed topaz
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what playstyle is this team supposed to be

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it just looks like an attempt at HO without any HO mons and a random mega beedrill

inner ledge
cobalt skiff
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anywyas heres this

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pale spear
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Why is bliss pex here with 4 very ho Iike mons

raven granite
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It looks like an svou team tbh

hushed musk
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https://pokepast.es/0a7d7b06914368d6
this is my team and im getting the hang of it

However i want to ask if a ground type is as essential as the last gens (played since SM but just started gen9 battling),

great tusk is good as a spinner + offensive pressurer can get (my team is focus on webs+ offence) but im looking for better options since i seldom use it, while lando defog removes my webs which is not helping.

im thinking of replacing tusk with valiant (specs) or zamazenta (band) for more pressure, urshifuRS to handle walls like volcaronas, ferrothorn and blissey, or maybe add a secondary steel type like heatran or gambit

feral canopy
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yes (to the former)

dusky carbon
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i like it except the smaergle

feral canopy
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yeah

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if u remove smearg and moved stuff around

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u wld have a solid bo

hardy gust
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cobalt skiff
pale spear
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i mean

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what playstyle r u going for

cobalt skiff
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at the moment my main team is this... thing

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cobalt skiff
tropic compass
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unreal canopy
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I fucking hate stall

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which one of you mfs are running slowbro, clefable, gliscor, chansey, kyurem, and skarmory

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which one of you mfs are clicking hazards, toxic and switch for 78 turns

hushed topaz
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The 6-0โ€™d by gambit stall is crazy

feral drum
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Isn't that most stalls?

pale spear
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no

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if that is happening to you ur playing a tragic stall

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every stall shld either have a buzzwole or a skele that can tera to beat gambit

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also skarm is a decent gambit check anws

meager breach
feral canopy
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6-0ed by ghold lul

feral canopy
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glimm sucks and doesnt fit here

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u have no ground no lop check no real pult pivot

hushed topaz
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the groundless natdex team

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u hate to see it

meager breach
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change glimmora to landorus-T?

feral canopy
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that wld solve half the issues but

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still needa a lot of changes

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if u wna use vile as ur ghost resist u put

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av torn somewhere

hushed topaz
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Tusk over glimm

feral canopy
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lando

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not tusk

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tusk sucks here

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vile shld also be suit

hushed topaz
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knock suit ice shard axel

feral canopy
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u also want smtg to help w rain here like

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dnite

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ferro lop vile lando wash torn is

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ur 6

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@meager breach

meager breach
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alright thanks for da help

feral canopy
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๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

meager breach
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what is that torn short form btw (sorry I am dumb af)

feral canopy
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tornadus therian

meager breach
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oh I see ty

unreal canopy
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so

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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

feral canopy
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No, ghold 2hkoes it relatively cleanly

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+5 16 SpA Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 373-439 (52.9 - 62.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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it definitely does something

unreal canopy
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hm

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what about gliscor tho

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carrying EQ AND knock off

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tera fairy ghold ong

feral canopy
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tera water

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ghold ohkoes at +2

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if ur careful then kos at +4

buoyant haven
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https://pokepast.es/50d09ab74c718276 team feels good (went mid 1400 to mid 1500 with this team), but i'm still iffy about some aspects, seeing as i have little experience piloting at all.

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@feral canopy

plain epoch
plain epoch
pale spear
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U cld change wake to Tera dragon to have a easier type with breaking thru pe

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Pex

pale spear
dusky carbon
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failed sun

plain epoch
pale spear
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U canโ€™t do both

nocturne mantle
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pale spear
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Make clefable a bulky steel like ferro, Tran, ghold

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And the zoro slot can honestly go to anything

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Like e.g. pult

nocturne mantle
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Mmkay

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Any reason u would switch out clef?

pale spear
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i mean

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its just a bit passive and doesnt rly check that much in the meta rn

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at least imo

cobalt skiff
inner ledge
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Make Koko rotom wash is my advice

cobalt skiff
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thank

hushed topaz
wild pebble
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Hovering around 14-1500s, skill issue or team issue?

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wild pebble
raven granite
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thats monotype

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check the national dex other tiers channel, this is for national dex ou

fast mirage
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mb

spare kiln
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spare kiln
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Please rate

limber crypt
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cyclizar should also be hdb imo

feral canopy
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there should be no cyclizar

spare kiln
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What do you suggest instead of it

feral canopy
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bc non of these mons take advantage of cyc

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non of these mons love the extra setup turn ot the status immunity

spare kiln
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Maybe Corv?

feral canopy
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what ddi u build this around

spare kiln
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Corv

feral canopy
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i think u should build around something else

spare kiln
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You think stored power is better?

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Rip I was excited about ptrip corvi lol

feral canopy
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oh

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then run it completely om ho

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oh nah i didnt even see the set

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maybe u can run it on some screens type

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koko corv cyc mgyara 2 more

dusky carbon
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be real w sp mew fat

neon charm
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Hi. Anyone knows where I can post my team for analysis? If this is the right channel let me know please 6vs6 singles. Thank you

inner ledge
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If your team is for Nat Dex OU post here

dry rivet
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Hi @dusk flare can u do my friend a favor ๐Ÿ˜„

feral canopy
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.

feral canopy
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can both of u stop

feral canopy
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u spelt malaysia wrong

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but cincinno sucks balls

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the skarm set also sucks

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make it volc so u dont lose to valiant

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make kommo o clangsoul boomburst cc clangscales @ throat spray

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tera normal

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make grimm something else over pshot possibly too, or just make it koko

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im ngl grimm probably just a worse koko atp

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so make it koko

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oh and change defog on lando to something thag isnt bad

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imprison rock tomb etc

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feral canopy
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also imo change ur tera type on corv

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and can maybe try weakness policy

spare kiln
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Yea maybe tera ground

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I had covert for ghold but fair

feral canopy
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tera ground or fire possibly

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or even dragon !!

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act maybe not drag considering your mono ptrip

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hn unless

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ok nvm trip does nothing

low wasp
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Can someone give a me a team with Orthworm in it anything will work

feral canopy
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orthworm is ass

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its a worse cyclizar

feral canopy
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shed tail only fits on bulky teams lol

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and if you want a ground immune on ho you put a ground immune

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orth can literally only set shed one time

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???

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yes

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that is one fast teams

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lol

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yes i know what it does

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but no one is going to click a ground immune

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hard into orth

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its a waste of a slot

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dont rely on your opponent being an idiot

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use actual good mons

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glimmora sucks

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then u swap to the ground immune

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mons and strategies that require

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ur opponent to play bad

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dont work

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it does!

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? i was literally council for this tier

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and i peaked 1800

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thank you very much

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i was, then i stepped down

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i dont really care

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good for u i guess?

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???

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1800 is literally top 20 now

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and i dont even ladder

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and why does ladder even matter

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half of it is the same person loading the same fat

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or some guy spamming ho

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which is what i did

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not exactly the best representatives of skill lol

feral canopy
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using hyper offense teams

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its a team style

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and it isnt bad

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i just said it wasnt the best show of skill lol

pale spear
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National Dex

hushed topaz
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National Dex

low wasp
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so what do you recomend

raven granite
low wasp
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So what would you recomend cuz orthworm is cool so ima use him in a nat dex build

hushed topaz
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i recommend you dont use orthworm

low wasp
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stfu

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I am using orthworm >:D

raven granite
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Like I feel like you're asking ppl to help with something that doesn't have much competitive merit

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Making this server not super helpful

low wasp
raven granite
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I dont play sv, sorry

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But anyways rmt is for completed teams so

low wasp
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its comp trust

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well can you atleast help me build a team with a unquie strat

raven granite
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Again, I don't play sv

low wasp
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doesnt have to sv

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natdex

raven granite
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Well define unique

low wasp
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like not known

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not custom but barely used

hushed topaz
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If you make a baxcalibur team yourself and post it we can rate it

low wasp
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not like HO

hushed topaz
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This is for completed teams

low wasp
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i have moved on lo

raven granite
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Well usually the way you use smth is by trying it out and succeeding

low wasp
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ima talking like shuckle strats just like a starting placer

raven granite
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I have offensive washtom if that interests you lol

low wasp
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lemme see it

raven granite
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Sure lemme get to my computer

raven granite
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raven granite
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oop

raven granite
raven granite
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act you might want ihead ferro here

heady barn
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First time playing nat dex, got 1400 with this team I crafted

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Could be doing better, anyone wanna test it and see what can be changed?

heady barn
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if I run blissey would teleport over wish would that be better

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also whats the set for defog scarf fini

feral canopy
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bliss overall is just a poor mon

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really burdened by how easily pursuitable it is, does nor like switching into special attackers consistently w tera

hushed topaz
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Tapu Fini @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Misty Surge
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 16 SpA / 244 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Hydro Pump / Scald / Surf
  • Moonblast
  • Trick
  • Defog / Calm Mind / Knock Off
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feral canopy
spare kiln
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Also I noticed this team is kinda mono fairy weak so Annihilape needs to be replaced

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Also I meant to make Iron Valiant specs my bad instead of scarf

raven granite
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Mono fairy does not exist

spare kiln
raven granite
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Don't you just attack the fairies w/ screens up

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And/or outspeed them

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And have a volc

feral canopy
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u indeed have a volcarona

spare kiln
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It is but I don't think having so many fairy weak is great

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Especially in an iron valiant meta but fair ig

feral canopy
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u go volcarona -> profit

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why scaff val heee tho

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and not like cm

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u already have koko

spare kiln
feral canopy
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go with cm

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raven granite
noble idol
noble idol
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(Like no mega?)

golden mural
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hello just wanna ask who are the best/usable trick room setter

limber crypt
noble idol
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But still,I fell weird without a mega lol

spare kiln
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No AFD team

feral canopy
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cyc dont do much of anything here bar passing sub to val lol

shut urchin
feral canopy
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and u got no ghost resist

feral canopy
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maybe in cases like rain where main cplay is status

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or in some setup offense

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which this sort of looks like but eh

shut urchin
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sorry what does HO mean?

feral canopy
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hyper offense

shut urchin
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ahh ok

feral canopy
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maybe it can work here but i am@rlly against it

shut urchin
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ya its to set up chomp and have an occasional pivot. come in take a hit, switch back out and regen

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what would you reccomend instead?

feral canopy
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we also have scald so no use for chilling water

feral canopy
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bc chomp cyc lele u can potentially just turn it to ho

shut urchin
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built around chomp

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loaded dice chomp w scale shot and eq

feral canopy
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yeah maybe try some screens then

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cyc chomp koko 3 more

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gyara or gambit

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lucha or valiant

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and another one more

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volc ur last

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gg

shut urchin
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dual screen koko lead?

feral canopy
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ye

shut urchin
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alright thanks man ill give it a few runs and see how it goes

feral canopy
#

๐Ÿ‘

lusty basalt
dusk flare
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non taunt tox tran seems a bit odd to me

lusty basalt
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I like tera blast here cs it kills hippo

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which can otherwise be annoying

dusk flare
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if ur teraing to beat it anyways taunt + magma should be good for it though, no?

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unless im missing something big

lusty basalt
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yeah it probably does

dusk flare
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fastest mon dia is kinda concerning imo so i think id probably go like zama > urshifu (mayb idef for the bulk vs kingambit if ur worried about that at some point), otherwise it seems fine to me

lusty basalt
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shld it scarf zama for rain

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losing a water worsens that mu abit

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or is cb fine

dusk flare
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i think that could work as well so u arent forced to tera zap

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but dnite shouldnt be teraing in that mu either idt

lusty basalt
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thing is just that nothing rlly forces swamp out that well

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since dnite fails to kill at +1 and gets 2hkoed by punch

dusk flare
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hmmm

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feel like we cant really fit a mpert check here without removing some other mons on the team i feel @lusty basalt

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i could be brain farting

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but thats how i feel rn

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national dex ubers?

lusty basalt
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I think scarf zama is the best it gets

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but yh thnk u4 the help

dusk flare
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np

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wha

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u

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oh

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well you did say ubers

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when u asked for help

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so now im confused

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oh

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im very blind then.

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anw you should finish the team before asking for a rate, but ftr a lot of the mons here are just not good

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like incin is a very bad mon in ndou atm, skarm does not work with this set (would rather be using idefpress to beat physical attackers without them setting up and beating them) and gyara isnt a good webs abuser

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that isnt a reliable strategy seeing as how they can just switch out at that point

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  • you're still handicapping yourself
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they'll be switching out into their gyarados check and the stat boosts wont matter

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er

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drops

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not boosts

noble idol
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But will consider it (Put it without thinking right away)

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Cruch or superpower on ttar?

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I prefer sp (superpower),But considering how the team is built rn which fits more

noble idol
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@feral canopy (I'm soooooo sorry I couldn't hold it)

feral drum
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unrelated but this nickname killed me lol

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