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[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/0b15899032d556e6

Having some success with this team in reg f

[broken shuttle]

i think the primarina here is kind of suspect, it doesn't really do anything for you here that you dont already have
tornadus>prim gives you good speed control & another ground immunity

air balloon kinda just isn't a good item, if you're really concerned about ground type damage you can test shuca berry— but even then metal coat is just the best item on it because it gets you really good damage rolls after nasty plot

i mean yea this is just gimmicky but if you're gonna try to force swamp its not awful

[dense nebula]

Most people are running +speed Flutter so it outspeeds gholdengo. Would this set be fine for a bulky set in sand. Im experimenting with stuff atm

Gholdengo @ Metal Coat
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 220 HP / 132 SpA / 156 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Nasty Plot
• Protect
• Shadow Ball
• Make It Rain

3 hit ko from +speed flutter

[ripe turret]

running tera rock is not worth it

as a defensive tera it’s pretty horrible, and the sand boost isn’t worth it

[broken shuttle]

tera rock is just kinda bad tbh

most of the speed booster flutters are dropping shadow ball anyways so you dont rly care if they outspeed you

[weary crag]

https://pokepast.es/988bd4cb4bd23ab7

I am not new to VGC, been watching Aaron, Wolfe, and James for years, but I am awful at making teams. I usually go max max and I know thats pretty bad. I'm willing yo change most things, but Koraidon and Tera Fire Specs Charizard must stay!! Otherwise, any help, advice, or suggestions are welcome!

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[ripe turret]

you could just make this gio’s team with zard over chi-yu

and btw chi-yu is strictly an upgrade over zard, but if you’re really committed to it then go for it ig

[weary crag]

Its my OC's "ace" and I wanna try to do something with it in VGC, its a vendetta more then anything else lol

[pearl valley]

https://pokepast.es/eed210e6bf054285
okay look i know this team is based off of bullshit tech but uh

whoopsies

pult is safety goggles

[ripe turret]

yeah that’s totally fair

[weary crag]

I did decide to take the Koraidon Lunala core but I wasn't brining Bonnet or Ursaluna at all so I swapped them for Farig and Tornadus. Still not sure I'm happy with Torn but for now itll do

[broken shuttle]

that pult set is just kinda bad tbh, flutter outclasses pult in a supportive role like that almost entirely. the arcanine set is kinda suspect asw— i'd suggest you run booster energy speed flutter over dragapult & then make the arcanine banded

[pearl valley]

Fuck that hair misdreavus

i aint using that shit as long as i’m on earth

I know it’d be better but this is a bo1 team after all

[broken shuttle]

this is for optimizing competitive teams boss

its your perogative if you want to take the advice or not

[pearl valley]

Idt you know how the team works

basically

you t wave and spam rock slide

[ripe turret]

…which is exactly how flutter harc works normally?

[pearl valley]

exactly

I know flutter would be better but tbh i dont like it

and i did update the pult set

[ripe turret]

well, then yeah, the channel is for optimizing comp teams, and flutter is just strictly better than pult, but it’s up to you if you don’t want to use it

[broken shuttle]

right so flutter would be more optimal competitively

ergo you aren't actually interested in running the most competitively viable version of your team -> this channel is probably not the place for you to get advice

[pearl valley]

Also dragapult is my lebron

so uh thats the whole reason

[broken shuttle]

!rule4

[drifting onyx]

Please take a moment to review the rules of the competitive section: #1373406929317269624 message

Your team must be competitive, and you must be willing to have it optimized. We will not stop you from using whatever team you want, but if it’s not competitive, it does not belong here. If you are building a "fun AG team" and don't want to use viable Pokemon because you don't like them, this is the wrong place.

[pearl valley]

So that one person with the charizard team is allowed to pass💀

[ripe turret]

I already told them that chi-yu is better but if they want to use zard it’s their choice

same with you

flutter is better but if you want to use pult it’s your choice

[tough sleet]

i like playing greninja https://pokepast.es/ac90e75a61673e15

[dense nebula]

Is this based off fluttermane twave +banded rock slide

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/4845f892125b4997
wondering if there's any matchups i haven't prepped for that i should, also wondering about ice spinner over icicle crash because i don't think id ever bring both chien and indeedee

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[sleek laurel]

236 Timid Regidrago looks incredibly troll

Just do 252 and 236 SpA if you want the bulk for something

But the team looks fine on paper

I wouldn’t do Ice Spinner tho, even if it’s rare, something I learned is that you shouldn’t build a team where like

You cannot bring a given Mon alongside another

Sometimes you just want the brute offense

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/67ae1636394e6a33

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[sleek laurel]

most of the EV spreads and some moves need reworking but the 6 are fine

Ursh with Poison Jab and Tera Steel without Close Combat feels like a misinput? And also Sash REALLY wants Tera Dark

Raging Bolt probably runs less SpA for more bulk but it's fine to some extent, the rest is probably fine

what does the Harc spread hit?

[sleek laurel]

my favorite spread for AV bolt is 148 / 0- / 76 / 180+ / 44 / 60, outspeeds the paralyzed 135s and lives Jolly Pao Crash and Lando-I EP

[ocean lantern]

https://pokepast.es/24c39350526a5730

[dense nebula]

So this is fine.
https://pokepast.es/6aee179d2dad315e

I think i made all the changes

[sleek laurel]

Probably keep Adamant on Arcanine and go 252 Speed because 244 is just wasting Speed ties, otherwise yeah

[sleek laurel]

Will get to this one in 30 if no one has yet btw

[ocean lantern]

awesome

[ocean lantern]

ghold actually lives sucker punch from max atk chien pao too

[ocean lantern]

could you check it out? ive had decent success but im sure i could make some improvements

[sleek laurel]

Sure, lemme see

[sleek laurel]

Honestly this looks really good

I can’t see any immediate flaws beyond a potential struggle against Speed control but that’s a matter of learning how to play without Speed control

I also struggled when I started trying out no Speed control teams but then I got used to it and it’s fine

Are you struggling with anything in particular?

Hell actually you even have Thunder Wave

[ocean lantern]

i have a rev with evil mence forgot the name with tw but i think i like more bulk

i havent played much to be honest, but i will say that i dont like urshifu very much, it dies easily and doesn't do much damage

[sleek laurel]

Yeah no, I don’t think this is bad in any way

I don’t think you can switch Ursh out tbh, maybe for something like Specs Flutter Mane if you can manage double Choiced but Detect looks really good

[ocean lantern]

okidogi and gambit are an issue since i have 2 intim mons

[sleek laurel]

And you need the offense

[ocean lantern]

actually ive lost the 3 games ive played against okidogi with this type of team

[sleek laurel]

Gambit shouldn’t be an issue with Urshifu, Okidogi tho

You have lines

With Twave, Oger, sometimes just Lando

Twave should be priority into it but it’s a bit troublesome yea

[ocean lantern]

i always end up messing up and giving it like +2 attack

and then its over

[sleek laurel]

I think you probably only bring Lando in terms of Intim against Dogi teams

Like

Thundy Lando Oger Ghold

[ocean lantern]

do i like tera turn one and blast it?

[sleek laurel]

The standard Dogi teams don’t really have many tools against all of these

No, you click a Ground move

Actually wait, there is a flaw

You need Stomping Tantrum on Lando because you only have one Mon that you can side Earthquake with

[ocean lantern]

oh

[sleek laurel]

Hard to fit yeah but I think atp you just drop Rock Slide

[ocean lantern]

man thats like my whole thing

ouch

[sleek laurel]

Lmao I mean

If ur beside Thundy you probably want to click eq

WAY more than rock slide

[ocean lantern]

but if they get double flinched/parad they quit and i win

do we need uturn?

[sleek laurel]

U-turn is the other droppable one yeah

Second most droppable at least

[ocean lantern]

i mean i have tera flying incin and protect mons

[sleek laurel]

Tbh

You can probably get away with mono eq

You lead Lando Thundy into Dogi

Twave eq

If they Tera you have Ogerpon in the back or just Wildbolt

Who cares about +1 attack with Lando too

You resist every move they run

[ocean lantern]

true

[sleek laurel]

And Kingambit is like

Just Urshifu it

If they Tera just Urshifu it with the other move

[ocean lantern]

ok

im not so sure about ogerpon tho, like it feels alright to play but everyone runs much more bulk so idk

[sleek laurel]

I feel like you want the defensive options + Grass Water Fire core

I don’t think your 6 are bad

[ocean lantern]

oh i meant ivs

evs

[sleek laurel]

Oh

Yeah you can prolly drop some attack, I know of a friend who ran 116+ for most Flutter Mane and Incineroar with Tera Water

And you don’t OHKO the bolt Flutter Manes anyway

But since it’s Horn Leech more attack doesn’t look too bad

You can try both ways but I would keep some Attack investment

[ocean lantern]

im jolly i hit a lower atk than that

[sleek laurel]

Esp since it’s Jolly and I’m blind

[ocean lantern]

ok

[sleek laurel]

LOL

[ocean lantern]

yeah

ok one more thing

against hard tr

[sleek laurel]

Ye?

[ocean lantern]

do i try to blast the setter or stall

[sleek laurel]

It looks kinda rough, I think you probably try to bring Incin and Tera Water Ogerpon

Conserve the Tera for Ogerpon

If you see a way to blast the setter cool but Smeargle Farig is annoying

You probably wanna lead Thundy Lando to force a Fake Out since Wildbolt EQ will definitely eviscerate

And then Incin Waterpon in the back

But it looks kinda rough

Ursh is bringable cause it’s Focus Sash

Ghold is a hard no

But Incin Waterpon look mandatory

[ocean lantern]

whats wrong with poor ghold

[ocean lantern]

got it

[sleek laurel]

Against Hard Trcik Room?

[ocean lantern]

idk

[sleek laurel]

It matches up horribly into Torkoal and Ursaluna

[ocean lantern]

oh ok yeah

[sleek laurel]

It can’t OHKO either and even if it Tera’s it explodes to Headlong

Mon is good but not against HTR lol

Plus you REALLY want Tera Water on Waterpon

[ocean lantern]

ok

[sleek laurel]

Gl with the team

[ocean lantern]

ty for your help

[sleek laurel]

Np

Also, I think your Ogerpon can survive a hit from Ursaluna at -1

Like if you get to Intimidate it

That is probably useful

[ocean lantern]

not quite

[sleek laurel]

How much more physdef do you need to guarantee it

Probably test it out and see if the Atk is droppable

You can play games with Incin Waterpon against it anyway even if you can’t always take the hit

[ocean lantern]

Ogerpon-Wellspring @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 20 HP / 132 Atk / 164 Def / 4 SpD / 188 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech
• Spiky Shield
• Follow Me

this lives

[sleek laurel]

Test both ways out imo

But the team looks really nice

[ocean lantern]

yay ty ill test different sets and see

[sleek laurel]

Np

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/69bb1aaad0c3a767 I had been struggling to find a sixth for this team for a pretty long time, but I think I've finally settled on one. Ddance moon seems incredible in testing, and it can absolutely shred through teams that are unprepared for it or lead poorly into it. I also like the idea of a fast incin to screw with opposing rilla and it's been pretty solid for me as well. The EVs are still in kind of a weird spot (except for incin's), so if there's anything better I would appreciate advice!

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[ocean lantern]

What does 36+ atk on incin do

[ripe turret]

honestly not really anything specific, I just like having the extra attack

it hits the nature bump

[ocean lantern]

Oh ok I thought there might be some juicy calcs

I guess there are

[ripe turret]

there’s probably something

[ocean lantern]

Yeah

[ripe turret]

like an OHKO against less bulky amoonguss and rilla

[lavish nexus]

you could try water pon since you struggle into scarf ursh

i know mystic water is becoming the norm, but there's still a few scarf sets

[ripe turret]

highkey scarf ursh isn’t even a problem for me because of amoonguss

like I either just lead with it and force them to switch out or bring it in the back and bait a surging for 50% of their health

[ocean estuary]

Been working on this team since I got the advice from you and some others. I am leaning into the priority moves. I can't decide if I want Wellspring or Hearthflame to go with this team. Hearth leans into the hyper offense more but I like having a water type and water absorb. I also can't figure out my last piece. I feel like Rilla fits here but then I have 5 physcial attackers. Thought about A-Ninetails for Aurora Veil and Blizzard. https://pokepast.es/9924da14779b4d60

[dense nebula]

Anyone got a bulky ev spread for ss urshifu?

https://pokepast.es/9bf5cc0c3d9efb05

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[broken shuttle]

you need to go faster on dnite if you're going scale shot, just use this spread
Dragonite @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Multiscale
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Scale Shot
• Iron Head
• Extreme Speed
• Protect

also make your entei adamant instead of lonely
looks good otherwise

[broken shuttle]

i think bulky cloak torn is a bit better than sash generally but if its been working its fine

life orb bolt is fs worth testing over the moon, it gets you similar defensive utility while taking advantage of sunny day a lot better

[broken shuttle]

Urshifu @ Black Glasses
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 124 HP / 156 Atk / 44 Def / 108 SpD / 76 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Wicked Blow
• Close Combat
• Sucker Punch
• Protect

why is your amoonguss not spore and why is your dnite draco

https://pokepast.es/74b6a1fcee41859e

this should be better

[ocean estuary]

Thank you for the input! What do you think about Ogerpon W vs Ogerpon H for this team? And my gut says having 5 physical attackers is bad so what kind of Pokemon would be in my 6th spot?

[ripe turret]

yeah I find that the damage from sash torn often comes into play

I will also try out lorb bolt

[dense nebula]

I dont like spore tbh Draco idk

[broken shuttle]

amoonguss needs spore to even be usable

you genuinely just dont have any pressure w.o it

[dense nebula]

Its just there for pollen puff

[broken shuttle]

then you’re using it wrong

[dense nebula]

• I've been seeing alot of flame orb/safety goggles teams so I doubt id get to use it often

[broken shuttle]

if you want healing that much you should make the slot a sinistcha

[dense nebula]

Unfortunately need clear smog as it's my only dozo counter

[broken shuttle]

sinistcha also beats dondozo with matcha/strength sap/curse/rage powder

and you have an entire urshifu dark + sacred sword pao

that is definitely not your only dondozo counterplay

[broken shuttle]

you don’t need hearthflame at all, having a certain split between physical/special attackers doesnt really matter as long as you’re actually able to pressure physically defensive mons

[ocean estuary]

Got it, thank you! As for my 6th, I have been between Rilla and Ninetails A. Would using Ninetails and setting up aurora veil slow my team down too much? I was also planning on putting encore on it to increase pressure. Or does Rilla with fake out and grassy terrain help me more in that situation?

[dense nebula]

Im also just incredibly unlucky

Every time I use it it's a one or 2 turn sleep

Yet im always sleeping for the max turns

[broken shuttle]

im ngl gang if you never wanna get unlucky you should play something that isn’t mons

getting unlucky isnt really a good reason to use a mon suboptimally

[broken shuttle]

they could both be good, atales is probably worth testing if rilla hasn’t felt very strong

just depends on how it feels to use

[ocean estuary]

I am going to test them both out. Thank you for answering my questions!

[dense nebula]

im gonna try to use spore again but i'll probably end up switching to sinistcha

[ocean lantern]

ok so around 30% run ice punch which obliterates lando

do i just accept the loss?

If they dropped knock off for it it can't really hit ghold so I could use that ig

[granite plinth]

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I rarely ever bring Urshifu with this team, so I'm wondering if anyone out there has a good idea of what to do with that slot
https://pokepast.es/5b166136c0b98495

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[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/3e935dab25328a53
i rlly wanted to use maushold and archuladon so i wanted to try this

[spiral cosmos]

Whats the incin spread for and why CC?

[broken shuttle]

you could def try ogerpon-w there, make sure you put protect on your lando (drop psychic for it)

[broken shuttle]

this is fine but you're missing 4 evs on multiple mons
also tornadus should just be max speed max special attack modest since it's sash.
CC incin is kinda larp i'd just go will-o-wisp or taunt in that slot

[topaz edge]

Made this team with the idea of using sceptile and the pledges in a non paradox/legendary format. I haven’t team built in a while so I probably missed something obvious. I’m open to changing anything out but my main goal was to try and make a team with sceptile.

[lavish nexus]

sceptile is kinda ass, i get you want a special attacker for the pledges but if you get the speed tiers right then itll always use the stat from primarina and you can use something like rillaboom

typhlosion set isn't great because of the speed and rain, also fire pledge is a bit useless

baxcalibur doesn't really do anything unique here, you'd be better with something to try and check tr teams, dragon cheer is also pretty bad on this set so that doesn't work either

primarina would be better with protect over icy wind because you already have so much speed control

[topaz edge]

Ok, I can look at changing out bax and some of the move sets. I do want to use sceptile tho. I’m not expecting to win a bunch but I’d like to try using him.

[mighty geode]

https://pokepast.es/5602720dc0d12c13 Team looks very familiar to u guys i know and it's seen some good so far but i feel like it has some room for improvement.

this is for regulation i btw

[broken shuttle]

scarf ogre is kinda bad in that format icl
you dont really make enough progress & can get stunlocked by wide guard really easily which means you just get bitched by dumb stuff

this is good if you make it scarf ursh & calm mind ogre i think, you have all these balance tools and you arent really taking advantage of them w. scarf ogre

[mighty geode]

I've never even thought if my scarf ogre was meta cause ive always been incrediby lucky with matchups lol

ill switch it up with a calm mind set

so should i switch out the ogre for a leftovers maybe?

or like a life orb for maximum damage output

[broken shuttle]

yea leftovers is right

[mighty geode]

alr thanks

[broken shuttle]

Kyogre @ Leftovers
Level: 50
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 132 HP / 68 Def / 196 SpA / 4 SpD / 108 Spe
Tera Type: Grass
Modest Nature

• Origin Pulse
• Ice Beam
• Calm Mind
• Protect

is a good spread

[ripe turret]

holy goated name

I love ace attorney

[spiral cosmos]

Whats the set for?

[lament scroll]

https://pokepast.es/4311f2cc08557e43

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[lament scroll]

i have not tested this out at all yet
so any better picks would definitely be welcome

actually now that i remember i should prob make tinkaton have a different item

[lament scroll]

the mold breaker encore is basically just to screw gholdengo and the fake out on tinkaton stops farig from setting a trick room

[bronze ether]

I figured its rain so i js used cc instead of flare blitz, this was my usual incin spread i got for someone so i just used it for this

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/24cee55181a49bb1
Explod

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[lament scroll]

would you rather have a water absorb mon or a storm drain mon

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/d01f2cd14e4492d8
https://pokepast.es/772ff70c17c245e8
which ones better

[zinc imp]

The cacturne is just there for priority sucker punch id say
Maybe i should just get smth else

[pearl valley]

https://pokepast.es/01c70aa7e49eba8a I promise I’m trying to make this team as competitive as possible

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[pearl valley]

ok so here’s my aim. I really hate booster energy Flutter Mane and other ability reliant pokemon. Then I realized how many meta relevant pokemon rely on abilities, and I realized the value of Weezing(specifically galarian thanks to its typing)

[blissful quarry]

i can’t help but feel like chien pao and tornadus also very much rely on their abilities

[pearl valley]

With weezing a member I already knew my partner for it, Dragapult. Clear body is best for blocking intimidate and without intimidate it doesn’t need it

[pearl valley]

was considering bundle

Pao is there if weez has a bad matchup

the team has 2 modes: weezing and no weezing

weezing is dragapult weezing incineroar and ogerpon

no weezing is incineroar pao tornadus and ogerpon

[blissful quarry]

ykw that makes sense actually

probably the first weezing team I’ve seen that doesn’t use like. regigigas or slaking

[pearl valley]

those rely way too much on having weezing on the field

[blissful quarry]

or toedscruel after that one wolfe video

[sleek laurel]

That’s every good Weezing team actually

[sleek laurel]

I feel like if you wanna make a Weezing team, you’re probably looking at the Dondozo Tatsugiri cores

There’s too many Pokémon that do like their abilities here

I do think a few can stay, Ogerpon and Incineroar mainly (not both tho)

But one thing you have to remember is that you’re not always bringing Weezing

What I’d personally do is slot in the Dondozo and Tatsugiri core + another offense core, keep Ogerpon, and change the Weezing set to a more supportive set with Poison Gas and Toxic Spikes, as well as Protect (keep a Fairy-type move, Play Rough or Strange Steam mainly)

[pearl valley]

who should i replace chien-pao with?

[sleek laurel]

You can keep the Pao Pult offensive core if you wanna make this a little different

But I would 100% replace Incin and Torn with Dondozo and Tatsugiri, and change the Weezing set

If you don’t care about keeping this different, replace Pao and Pult with Specs Flutter and Chi-Yu

[blissful quarry]

https://pokepast.es/5f3b39162cb0226c i like zamazenta

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[blissful quarry]

i might change chien pao's tera type to flying or psychic i havent gotten much use out of stellar

[spiral cosmos]

Boots?

[spiral cosmos]

Do not use tera psychic chien pao

[blissful quarry]

or ghost would probably be better

[blissful quarry]

oh yea wait why did i do boots lmao nobody uses traps

i should probably change it to like. rocky helmet or sitrus berry

probably the latter

[blissful quarry]

calyrex shadow rider, im guessing?

[spiral cosmos]

No its just not good

[blissful quarry]

oh

[spiral cosmos]

Use tera ghost

[blissful quarry]

gotcha

[spiral cosmos]

Or dark/ice, if you want an offensive tera type

[blissful quarry]

im going with ghost for the defense

[spiral cosmos]

Also make that incin safety goggles

Only having one spore immunity is rough

[blissful quarry]

ah that makes sense

[blissful quarry]

spore is the reason why like 1/3 of my team is tera grass 😭

and also sleep powder by extension

having tera grass zamazenta has saved my ass way too many times

[spiral cosmos]

I guess that makes sense

Whats kyogre there for?

[blissful quarry]

mostly because i needed a second restricted a special attacker and some anti-fire coverage

[spiral cosmos]

Im not too experienced with reg I, but i think you could get away with tera water zama + bulky cm Caly-S behind veil instead of kyogre

[blissful quarry]

im gonna be honest i refuse to use caly-s out of principle 😭

also id like to keep tera grass on zamazenta for the spore immunity

[blissful quarry]

says the person using incineroar

[spiral cosmos]

Based

[blissful quarry]

“calyrex watch out that chien pao has sucker punch”

[spiral cosmos]

Ok to be fair most Caly (and lunala by extension) are like tera fairy

[blissful quarry]

fair

but nothings better than seeing a calyrex shadow rider who’s already burned tera on someone else

[lament scroll]

farig/indeedee: i gotchu

[unkempt river]

https://pokepast.es/29fbf73c1f15c911

[spiral cosmos]

Scarfshifu here is super random, and you should probably be using hatterene instead of chandelure

Sinistcha also isnt that good in this format

[unkempt river]

wanna make one favorite mon work with chandelure😔

[spiral cosmos]

I cant really even think of any positive matchups chandelure has that makes it worth using

[unkempt river]

damn 😭

hatterene it is

[spiral cosmos]

Hatt does the exact same thing here as chandelure as a powerful trickroom spread attacker and bulky setter

[lament scroll]

how disruptive would wonder room be

[ripe turret]

this is why we use miraidon

lmao

[blissful quarry]

idk if kyogre is working out for me

i don’t want to turn to calyrex shadow rider

but I don’t know who else to add 😭

team was posted earlier just take out sneasler and replace with kyogre

[spiral cosmos]

Yeah kyo is unfortunately kinds anti-synergy with ninetales

You have like, one of 2 options

1. Replace atails for grimsnarl so that veil isnt disturbed by rain
2. Caly S

[drifting onyx]

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[median oak]

I know its a weak concept but I am striving to make the pledge moves work in reg F. My problem is the damage output from the sweeper mons is more than a starter setup can handle. Ive explored a few options and had some good wins, primarina 150BP grass type move potentially faster as all oponents will be 25% slower after 1 attack feels uniquely hopeful. Ive tried life orb forbmassive damage and are considering permanance item like AV or leftovers as prims damage is respectable. Sceptile unburden with a terrain seed or sash or endure petaya berry is the most consistent for opening with pledge, Ive found utility in shed tail into ursa flame orb and dengo nasty plot for an alternative. Currently I have a trick room mode using interchangably indeedee or farigiraf ehich both prevent fake out and grassy glide prio, tho sceptile does have quick guard and upper hand. TR works well for urs but im thinking of looking into kingambit since fluttermane is so common. I have incin as a sixth for versatile matchup support. There is some undiscovered iteration that can gain traction to some unexpected OHKOs whilst not being ounished in an offensive spread move meta. Any thoughts or notes are welcome

[unborn pier]

Hey guys has anyone ever done a vgc draft before? Im kinda struggling to think of a team comp for it and im first pick it starts Wednesday

[ripe turret]

well it depends on the available mons

what’s available

[unborn pier]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F6mVgmcxjMGfI5YAOztxYEIvQG_dy-34-AFnLcJFbX8/edit?usp=sharing

That’s all available mons

And this was kinda my idea

[ripe turret]

oh it’s usum

uhh yeah idt I can help you there

[unborn pier]

It’s all good! I think it’s a decent ish idea i just am unsure about other team members since we are going up to 10

[pearl valley]

i have

[unborn pier]

Oh dude sick I think I figured out my first pick team and a sub team if they take certain mons

This is my first picks I didn’t rlly know if blissey is ok in vgc I know it’s great in singles and that’s why it’s on my team

[split reef]

Yo

https://pokepast.es/725c4745b333bf43

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[lavish nexus]

your restricteds have more of a bulky balance playstyle but the rest of your team is very offensive, try rilla over pon and ursh surg over lando, also means you can run rain dance on torn for a secondary mode, and zama also benefits allot from running protect

[uneven coyote]

https://pokepast.es/0e89469b2d0317b2

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[uneven coyote]

If someone can help me make this better I’d appreciate it :)

[pearl valley]

theres like 4 psychic types on your team

[uneven coyote]

They’re all trick room setters

I also have Hatterene to take care of it

If needed

Ghost types die to lunala

[pearl valley]

Wb incineroar

Also, lunala isn’t the fastest and that means you have to commit your tera

My advice is you should have something that can beat dark types and faster ghost types

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/c46f0174e97730b1

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[uneven coyote]

Ursaluna

[uneven coyote]

I almost always lead indeedee lunala so I have follow me and wide guard

[uneven coyote]

Dark types due to ursaluna, ghost types die to lunala when TR is set

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/7b55f7cde2ed565b

So uh
Half of the team are trick room mons while the rest are tailwind users
The urshifu is often paired with whims to enable it to swords dance first and sweep everything

The rest are just there to deal damage or support the team when the ursh whims duo die

[pearl valley]

Ursaluna doesn’t like intimidate. Also you don’t have to reply to someone 3 times

And there’s other Pokemon like Rillaboom which reset your terrain

A lot of your mons are really reliant on the psychic terrain, and mons like miraidon and rillaboom reset that

[uneven coyote]

That’s just how I type lol my bad

And yeah that’s all true, so I try to pivot indeedee out and that generally works.
Ursaluna can strongarm through intimidate with headlong and OHKO incineroar most of the time

[pearl valley]

I think you should still have something more reliable than ursaluna to take out incin

[uneven coyote]

Maybe bloodmoon?

But that’s kinda soft to AV

man I never realized how busted incineroar is

[vague mantle]

Im still somewhat newer to team building but so far I've seen great success with this team, what yall think?
https://pokepast.es/5fc04aac767c10ca

[merry plover]

you guys fw my set

[sleek laurel]

Lemme clean up some pending rmts rq

[sleek laurel]

Knock Off or Breaking Swipe > Sunny Day on Moonblast

Gholdengo always wants some Speed, you can’t assure you’ll always have Tailwind up; my personal favorite is 156 EVs to beat out Max Speed Incineroar so you can get a hit off before Knock or whatever, but it’s customizable

Ursh is fine

Amoong wants more spread out bulk, if you want it to be more Specially Defensive, you can do like 252 HP / 100 Def / 156+ SpD, but you still want some physdef
Also run Sassy if ur running 0 Speed IVs

Landorus is fine

Thunder on Flutter is trolling, Moonblast hits everything you’d hit with Thunder anyway; probably run Icy Wind, Power Gem or Perish Song, preferably Icy Wind so you’re not as reliant on Moon for Speed control.
Also, you want some bulk on it, at least enough to beat out Chien-Pao, which this team actually quite struggles against in paper; I’d recommend 164 HP / 92 Def / 100 SpA / 4 SpD / 148 Speed with Timid (to beat out Fast Dondozo too).

Btw, I’d STRONGLY suggest Breaking Swipe on Moon here to ease up against opposing Chien-Pao and Urshifu, especially since Amoong is SpDef, and you already have a Dark Urshifu too for the Dark-type coverage

[dense nebula]

Yeah thunders a bit trolly. I cant always get sun up against rain teams so I was messing with it to see damage

[silk lodge]

a weezing team with regigigas
https://pokepast.es/9687f379f5133831

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[silk lodge]

here are a few things I'm thinking of:

1. roaring moon's moveset
   breaking swipe matches up really well into annihilape, but it's not dealing as much damage as things like acrobatics (which i cant really use with weezing around)

2. replacing landorus with a dedicated priority attacker
   I wanted regigigas because it can synergize with weezing and use wide guard at the same time so I wont replace it with slaking
   landorus isnt really doing much work for now except when against archalodon which can be dealt with using weezing+regigigas or iron hands

I use roaring moon to counter prankster tailwind users by either taunting with weezing or one shotting unsuspecting whimsicotts

I'm also considering tera electric flutter mane for the sole purpose of one shotting tornadus

but thats honestly not a good idea now that i thought more about it eh

oh i also EV'd weezing to outspeed whimsicott under tailwind

[silk lodge]

more on the flutter mane idea im considering this because it cant one shot a specially invested tornadus

252 SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Tornadus: 146-172 (78.4 - 92.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Tera Fairy Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Tornadus: 152-180 (81.7 - 96.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

well it's either this or i should just stick to tailwind taunt

[silk lodge]

yeah nah landorus is awesome actually

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/4f0a77e9fc972f4d
E

[dense nebula]

What would i have to change to make this into a perish trap core

[sleek laurel]

Unfortunately, a LOT

[dense nebula]

Damn. Alr

[sleek laurel]

I wouldn’t recommend hard Perish Trap teams to pretty much anyone below like, Regional Champion level, but if you want to use one, you probably need to build a new team with it

Something with Flutter + Scream Tail, then like

Goth, some pivots

It’s rlly hard to build Perish because you want a lot of damage options too

I think you do Flutter STail Goth Incin Ogerpon-W and Urshifu (either)

[dense nebula]

Alr nvm then. How's Kommo-o doing right now?

[sleek laurel]

Ok that one I don’t know, I haven’t seen much of it

It’s fringe viable at best though fs but it might make the fringe viable cut

[dense nebula]

Idk what fringe is

[sleek laurel]

It was good in Reg H but I’m not sure how you’d build it in this reg

Means like

“Viable but bad”

[dense nebula]

Ah

It wouldn't do much to fluttermane cuz like

Eveylryone dropped moonblast and shadow ball for twave and dazzling

[sleek laurel]

It explodes to Flutter which is a big problem

Moonblast is still ran

[dense nebula]

Bullet proof is huge

[sleek laurel]

Is Moonblast even blocked by bproof tho

[dense nebula]

Yea

So is shadow ball

[sleek laurel]

It isn’t

Only sball

[dense nebula]

I swear it is

[sleek laurel]

Moonblast isn’t because it’s based off of the Japanese name

It’s not a “blast” move in Japanese

[dense nebula]

Ah

Was gonna say

[sleek laurel]

https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bulletproof_(Ability)#Affected_moves

[dense nebula]

It Defo blocks focus blast

Damn auto correct

[sleek laurel]

It blocks Fblast yes

But not Mblast

[dense nebula]

So weird

Tera normal would be a waste

So uh

Steel?

[sleek laurel]

Steel or Fire yes

Fire is fine because of Flamethrower too

Steel is good for physical sets with Iron Head but honestly you probably still want Fire for the Burn immunity and it keeps the Fairy resist

[dense nebula]

Oh I use special sets

[sleek laurel]

You still beat flutter with Tera Fire and Iron Head

Oh then Fire for sure

[dense nebula]

Boomburstis fun lol

[sleek laurel]

Clangsoul Clangscales Flamethrower +1

Boomburst is trolling

You hit your ally

And you want Protect

Actually yeah wtf am I saying “+1”

Me when I’m bad

If you’re gonna try this I think Amoonguss is one of your best friends

This is deffo fringe viable at best but it’s ur best bet

[dense nebula]

Unfortunately

Bulletproof blocks pollenpuff

But yeah kinda forgot boomburst hit * everyone *

Clangerous scales is a spread move?

[ripe turret]

yes

[opaque pier]

Hi! Been wanting to build a trick room team with Gothitelle and Porygon 2!
I’ve got what I think is a decent core, but I’m unsure of the last 2 spots or of thee are any changes I should make to my core or the builds.
Come here for recommendations! Here’s the paste!
https://pokepast.es/451be003981a2ae7

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[broken shuttle]

generally i think something like urshifu-r + ursaluna-h seems good on this kind of thing— i’d try scarf ursh here

[opaque pier]

Sounds great! Thanks for the help, I’ll give it a shot!

[wheat estuary]

https://pokepast.es/cfb112e360912b06 reg f ursa bolt team

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[wheat estuary]

was potentially thinking fire ogerpon or hisuian arcanine over amoongus too

[dense nebula]

so with perish teams i wana use stuff that would be immune to it or can swap out yeah?

so like. soundproof. ghost types. and gholdengo?

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/266d9df056afa47d

kinda works

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[uneven coyote]

Ghost types don’t matter because they’re not immune to perish song, and shadow tag doesn’t apply to allies

No one is immune to perish song without soundproof

[dense nebula]

Hence why i said swap out

They're immune to shadow tag

[dense nebula]

And gholdengo is immune to perish song

[woeful jungle]

Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tailwind
• Bleakwind Storm
• Taunt
• Protect

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 244 HP / 92 Def / 172 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Parting Shot
• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Taunt
• Shadow Ball
• Protect

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Focus Sash
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Aqua Jet
• Detect

Raging Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 100 HP / 252 SpA / 156 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Thunderclap
• Dragon Pulse
• Thunderbolt
• Snarl

Rillaboom @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 236 HP / 196 Atk / 76 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Grassy Glide
• Wood Hammer
• High Horsepower

rate my team gng

[ripe turret]

shadow tag doesn’t trap your own mons

just the opponent’s

so you don’t need to have ghost types on your own team

although obv it might still be good to have them depending on what they are and how they fit in your team

[dense nebula]

Ik, I just worded it poorly

Meant for against other perish trap teams

[ripe turret]

ohhh

well perish still doesn't exist in reg f

unless you know you're going to be playing a match against a perish team ig

what's the team for?

[dense nebula]

I might try experimenting with reg i.

Ive only seen perish trap a few times but they're strong when I do face them in reg f

[ripe turret]

perish trap is really bad in reg f

because urshifu completely destroys it

and everything just deals more damage

[spiral cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/bb289650d90284d4

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[spiral cosmos]

Struggles a bit into speedboost flutter

And TR

Icy wind generally just feels super distruptive, especially when it actually does decent damage to half of my team

[umbral roost]

https://pokepast.es/6f51e2b523d19ccd

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[umbral roost]

Lowkey I think I just made a pretty standard team but using Chomp over another mon lmao

[jovial creek]

Id agree

Team is probably solid though if you want to use chomp

[umbral roost]

Ty man

As you can tell from my user I love Chomp

pretty good in some games due to it just being Chomp, but Flutter is a ho so I don’t bring it always

Amoonguss and Incin defensive core has done great though

[jovial creek]

Yeah thats what id expect

[umbral roost]

was running covert cloak Torn but I think sash is better with tera ghost

[jovial creek]

Chomp isn't the most consistent option but when it works it'll work well

[umbral roost]

The offense is rlly js what I need

[pearl valley]

you should use chien pao if you want chomp to do meaningful damage

[umbral roost]

over shifu?

[pearl valley]

incineroar if you want

problem is, with clam you just don’t really hit that hard

[pearl valley]

so you basically end up with a worse landorus/dragonite

[uneven coyote]

Shadow tag doesnt apply if you’re the one using it lmao

[uneven coyote]

Rare exception

[dense nebula]

im aware

[drifting onyx]

Hey @blissful quarry, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

[blissful quarry]

ah right

[merry plover]

Is band amoongus viable?

[ripe turret]

this thing has a base 85 attack stat

short answer, no

[minor wasp]

https://pokepast.es/

I think i messed it up hold on

Im just gonna send pictures

[lament scroll]

amoonguss is literally always a support mon

[split reef]

Annihilape loves breaking swipe.

[silk lodge]

weezing

[split reef]

True

[silk lodge]

i have a weezing

[split reef]

I frogor

[silk lodge]

haha

[split reef]

I was boutta say

[silk lodge]

idk what i could really change

i mean i tried a new team just now with ogerpon and raging bolt instead of landorus and iron hands

https://pokepast.es/b3a34ae288cc58cb

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[silk lodge]

oh-

i think this version works better in vgc
while the other works more in natdex doubles

[obtuse shard]

https://pokepast.es/40057215455ca981 Unfinished due to thinking of what 4 other mons to use

Did I do it right or is Chatot not working?

ohh wait nvm

[merry plover]

Specs maybe?

[steady gyro]

Serp is not it gng

You should probably mess about with samples first

[obtuse shard]

Aww

[pearl valley]

even worse

well not necessarily

but 85 still

[ripe turret]

it also has a base 85 spatk stat

look amoonguss is not meant to be used offensively

it has a pretty bad offensive typing, it’s pretty weak and it’s way too slow

[lament scroll]

but it is hella tanky

and its movepool has some of the best support moves

[ripe turret]

^ exactly

[blissful quarry]

https://pokepast.es/fc0de43c1932b80f im not sure if i should replace someone or not

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[blissful quarry]

mostly chien pao

reg f btw

i dont have any of the event paradoxes as far as i remember

maybe iron leaves but like

im not using iron leaves

[wanton abyss]

how important to you is alolatales vs pao

[blissful quarry]

i was about to say also maybe ninetales

koraidon being banned kinda alleviates it a bit but

is not having a paradox putting me at a disadvantage or

[wanton abyss]

not quite a disadvantage

they're good mons

this team just does not seem to benefit that much from screens, even with double set up

it feels like that slot could be more immediate damage

[blissful quarry]

oh i was about to say whimsicott

[wanton abyss]

we are also in a format where the weather can be changed manually relatively often

[blissful quarry]

so someone like ursa?

would work well with chien pao

[wanton abyss]

bolt

3 attack bolt or AV

[blissful quarry]

i do not have raging bolt 😭

or scarlet

[wanton abyss]

das tuff folk

[blissful quarry]

or know anyone who does

[wanton abyss]

i'm sure you can find one in some of the trading channels like the wifi channel on SD

i believe in u

[blissful quarry]

alright so everyone else is chill though?

having chien pao alongside two special attackers is kinda concerning me

oh right rillaboom does actual damage

alr ykw ill see if i can find someone

[wanton abyss]

rillaboomer

[blissful quarry]

i was too focused on his fake out and terrain setup alongside sneasler that i forgot wood hammer and grassy glide can get shit done

should i run booster energy bolt since i aint getting electric terrain like ever

or should i give him leftovers and swap out gholdengos

or just safety goggles

[blissful quarry]

there’s gotta be someone else I am not going to be able to find anyone willing to give up a raging bolt within the next 3 days 😭

like I’d have a better chance of getting top 1 with a choice band pelipper in a sun team than getting a raging bolt 😭

[wanton abyss]

bolt is the best option, i really do recommend it. without bolt, though...we'd have to consider other special attackers or replacing a different slot

[blissful quarry]

i mean i got a flutter mane if that’d work

but ill look for bolt if i gotta

[wanton abyss]

flutter would work in that slot

disruption + special damage

[blissful quarry]

i got one
should i run booster energy or like safety goggles or something

or leftovers and swap out gholdengos item

nevermind it was probably hacked I’m running the flutter mane

[wanton abyss]

Booster gives more damage, goggles lets u dunk on amoonguss

[wanton abyss]

oh. oof. run flutter my goat

[blissful quarry]

https://pokepast.es/de927dafc9ea512d been trying out my new team in reg f but i keep getting steamrolled by tailwind teams

speed is of the essence and this team has none

comparatively at least

sneasler can occasionally outspeed against tailwind with unburden but other than that I can’t do much against em

isnt that bot supposed to come in at pokepaste links

oh im 30 minutes off

[hardy mountain]

do yall know where i send the pokemon showdown replays to like get reviewed on what i did wrong n stuff

[jovial creek]

Probably the smogon vgc server or here in #comp-general if someone says they will take a look

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[blissful quarry]

plus i dont really feel like flutter was contributing much?

weirdly enough

[blissful quarry]

my main issue is fire types and sun teams

though I don’t know how common those are

ah damn wait flutter mane would help agains gouging fire

[wheat estuary]

https://pokepast.es/0a6811be23d45b44 reg f

[fringe storm]

https://pokepast.es/95e5e53be207d6e3

reg f

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[fringe storm]

havent touched vgc in a while

[wanton abyss]

this kinda team is always fun. For consistency’s sake, shadow sneak on clops to finish off sash mons and side proc the WP

and then sub on ursaluna to avoid fake outs from Rilla and guarantee one knockout

I’m assuming gastro is here so you don’t get steamrolled by any watershifu that comes your way

[wispy quiver]

https://pokepast.es/8fd3123e5842d3d4

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[wispy quiver]

Can someone rate my team its a kinda off vgc reg i

I still need to make the evs spreads

[clever imp]

https://pokepast.es/adcbca421ce39505 rate my team

[fringe storm]

that's true

another use of gastro is to activate policy on armarouge to get some potential sweep

i thought the speed drop of bulldoze can synergize pretty good with trick room

[fringe storm]

thank you for the advices also!

[wispy spruce]

https://pokepast.es/c9abc6e4f135e60d opinions?

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[spiral cosmos]

Whats the point of ninetales here

[wanton abyss]

So unfortunately weak armor would undo the speed drop of bulldoze

So I would cut bulldoze

[fringe storm]

oh

[wispy spruce]

Aurora Veil mostly but also other support

[simple gorge]

this is Wolfe Glick's 'pandoras box' team but i switched pawmot for iron hands with little to no changes otherwise. any changes i may need to do to adapt to the new metagame?
https://pokepast.es/39b3a880025d0560

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[spiral cosmos]

Gonna be honest i dont think this team is at all any good for reg F

Specs weezing, corv, typh and chomp are all just really bad picks

[simple gorge]

you’d be surprised about how strong the surprise factor is with specs Weezing and Toedscruel combined

but I do agree that the rest aren’t as strong in this meta

actually Typhlosion is also a great pick due to its typing and stats, hella strong special attacker so I take it back for my boy

[spiral cosmos]

Just use chi yu

Or specs flutter

[simple gorge]

I’ll swap it for Flutter to keep the ghost typing (for Fake Out predictions) maybe. any other substitutions you think are worth it?

[spiral cosmos]

Hopy shit bro 😭

[spiral cosmos]

Torn over corv

Better tailwind setter, better flying stab

[sleek laurel]

It’s not like that btw

Like, VERY calculated surprise factor techs can win one game in CTS formats

But building meme and saying “it’ll catch people off guard” does not ever work against any better player

It’s one thing to like

[spiral cosmos]

Literally anyone who has watched that wolfe video knows what you're going to do

[sleek laurel]

No but I mean in general

[spiral cosmos]

Which is 5.6M people

[sleek laurel]

It’s one thing to like, slam a niche item on one Mon to cover for a specific weakness

And then use it as a lure

Like, if your team loses to X Mon, you use this item to lure and eliminate X Mon in specific

THAT is viable in CTS Bo1

[blissful quarry]

yeahhhhhh in retrospect this is just a Fucking Disaster

[sleek laurel]

But you can only ever do this once per team and it cannot be an entire mon, from a “viable” teambuilding perspective at least

And another very important detail

The only reason Wolfe wins with these teams is because he’s Wolfe and this can’t be stressed enough

[simple gorge]

to be fair it blew up in popularity when the video originally released so it’s not really catching people off guard nowadays. it’s just hard to find counter play is what I’m trying to say honestly, just somethin to toy with that can still get wins

[sleek laurel]

The core of Toedscruel Weezing theoretically yes

But just run support Weezing with fast Spore and play for that

[simple gorge]

and again this is a team from THE Wolfe glick, so I’m not saying it’s perfect I just want to modernize it a bit

[spiral cosmos]

This dude was using skill swap no guard sheer cold and STILL slapped perish trap on that team hes just different

[sleek laurel]

^ This is exactly what I mean

[sleek laurel]

Wolfe didnt use that as a meta call, he used it because he wanted to

He made top 16 because he’s cracked at the game

I can’t stress enough how common it is to see people just picking a video team from Wolfe and going “this is cool”

But it only works if you have 15 years of understanding Pokémon VGC nuances turn by turn and whatnot

[spiral cosmos]

Let alone a grand challenge team

Anyways uh

Stall
https://pokepast.es/97402214c99d1d47

Thoughts?

[sleek laurel]

TLDR Wolfe willingly and knowingly ran an unviable team, not a meta call

Lemme handle the rest first

[spiral cosmos]

Alr

[sleek laurel]

I think I’d just do

[simple gorge]

understandable, he made the team for content and it turned out good for him because Wolfe is good at the game

[sleek laurel]

Flutter Chi-Yu Weezing Toed Dozo Tatsugiri if you want to use this

[sleek laurel]

Yea p much

Not just for content but yes, also to have some fun

He explicitly states in most vids how he actively tries his hardest to make things work with these meme teams

[simple gorge]

this sounds p nice to be honest

[sleek laurel]

Hold up food is ready

But yeah

[simple gorge]

tho I do have to ask about if speed control. to me it seems to be in the form of Flutter Icy Wind

[sleek laurel]

Yeah

Correct

You usually don’t lead Flutter + Weezing but you can

One important thing to note is that

If Booster Energy is consumed and Protosynthesis is actjvated

It will remain active even if Weezing hits the field later

[spiral cosmos]

Scarf or specs chi yu?

[sleek laurel]

Tough one, try both kinda case

I like Specs with faster Fluttwr gere

You want some more power without Specs Flutter

But tough case

[simple gorge]

I’ll test both, I’ll build the other sets up first

[sleek laurel]

Yea do that

Then you want Attack boosting Dondozo for sure

Poison Gas + Strange Steam + Tspikes Weezing

And Toedscruel can stay as is

[simple gorge]

t-spikes? I thought hazards were only good in singles

[sleek laurel]

Rocks and spikes, yes

Tspikes are fine in VGC

[simple gorge]

oh

[sleek laurel]

Break sashes and punish setup

[simple gorge]

the more you know 🫡

[sleek laurel]

Rocks and spikes are memes because they only break sashes

Tspikes punishes setup a LOT

[sleek laurel]

Yea 🫡

[simple gorge]

alright sure then

thanks for the help you two ❤️‍🔥🫡

I’ll probably build tmr, p late where I am

[spiral cosmos]

Theres also only like, 2 decent poison types in vgc (5 including common tera types) so they arent getting absorbed either

[sleek laurel]

Np, gl

[sleek laurel]

Kinda yea

Tera Types also like, you have to get in first and Tera second

[spiral cosmos]

Amoonguss, Sneasler, Lando, Roaring, Urshi-Single

[sleek laurel]

I think opp Weezing is also to be considered lmao

But otherwise yes

[spiral cosmos]

Ok are you free to do mine or are you gonna go through some of the other uploaded ones

[spiral cosmos]

Namely this one

[sleek laurel]

Will do both after dinner

Food is up

Ping me in 30 if I’m not here cause I have level one billion ADHD

[blissful quarry]

https://pokepast.es/fb185fedf9f079df tried making a rain team after the travesty that was the team that i entered into the fucking gc this is the like first draft

the most iffy part is probably amoonguss

[spiral cosmos]

@sleek laurel been about 30 minutes

[sleek laurel]

Faster flutter probs but not really necessary

Although

Specs Taunt

Is that a misinput or a niche click thing

Either way it doesn’t look like it

[spiral cosmos]

More so experimental then anything

Mostly niche

[sleek laurel]

I’d just run Power Gem esp with this much offensive power

Cause Incin is also a huge threat for this team

[spiral cosmos]

True

[sleek laurel]

Incin is legitimately an annoyance to every single Mon you have

But I think your line into it is just

[spiral cosmos]

I have oger ev'd to live a tera stellar close combat from shifu (meaning it also lives SOR espeed stuff)

[sleek laurel]

Overwhelm it

[sleek laurel]

That’s nice

No one is loading espeed into PsySpam tho

They just run their other 4

[spiral cosmos]

True

[sleek laurel]

But the Close Combat thing is bice

[spiral cosmos]

Originally it was wellspring, but i felt that rillaboom would prob be annoying otherwise

[sleek laurel]

It kinda is

And you have better Incin lines than Rilla lines

Incin is an annoyance but you can explode it and then reposition

Rilla is way harder

[spiral cosmos]

I usually just aim to blow it up with hearthflame

Even without a ton of attack investment tera fire ivy cudgel probably does a ton (i have not calced this)

[sleek laurel]

A ton more like

Something between one and a half to two straight kills

[spiral cosmos]

Also i know this is a really small thing

But

Wide guard

[sleek laurel]

Even the bulkiest of Rillas have a chance to die without Tera Fire

[spiral cosmos]

I played against a pelipper earlier and my offense was cut off in half by wide guard

[sleek laurel]

Oh

Moonblast it

Oger also does like

A lot of single target damage

[spiral cosmos]

Actually thinking about it

[sleek laurel]

But really the only viable Wide Guard user is Pelipper which you just Moonblast

[spiral cosmos]

Could i fit okidogi somewhwre here

[sleek laurel]

For the OHKO or to bring it down to Sash

Maybe but what do you want it for

[spiral cosmos]

That solves both the main issues this tesm has

[sleek laurel]

Which is wide guard and,

[spiral cosmos]

Rilla and Incin

[sleek laurel]

Oh

The thing is PsySpam with Dogi is kinda tough to justify

You already have strong Fake Out counterplay

But if you really want it

You can slot it over Hearthflame probs

That or Ursaluna

[spiral cosmos]

Prob ursa

Its super strong but also really weird to position

Loses to other TR mons, not the best in tailwind

[sleek laurel]

Fair yea

[spiral cosmos]

Feels like id be better off with like, regidrago even

[sleek laurel]

I’ve never really ran ursa psyspam so

Can’t talk on this nuance in specific

[spiral cosmos]

Actually i can consider lando here too

[sleek laurel]

Yeah

Only thing to worry abt Lando is that you can be Faked Out

Always

Due to the part Flying type and Choice lock

[spiral cosmos]

Im talking about I

Has proper spread with sandsear and raindance

[sleek laurel]

Oh

Part Flying still applies but yes

Sorry I’m currently Zach brained

When I hear Lando Psyspam

[spiral cosmos]

Tera ghost lando isnt super bad either

[sleek laurel]

You don’t need to Tera Ghost

[spiral cosmos]

My main problem with T is that clam just doesnt really do damage

[sleek laurel]

Any Tera except Flying works due to Psychic Terrain purposes

Yeah Lando-I is stronger

Sheer Force is definitely an ability

[spiral cosmos]

Would prob make my tr mode awkward to pilot

But im not against running a slow lando

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/2f6a5415640d4e20

Could i get help with evs

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[robust venture]

https://pokepast.es/ad5e35c95a0facf3

recently got into VGC, currently I just try to brute force everything with Koraidon, Walking Wake, Hearthflame Ogerpon and Rillaboom, Rilla+Ogerpon shuts down any kyogre mathcup pretty well, what Ive really been struggling with is Trick Room teams.
Also havent been able to figure out the last 2 team members, just threw in Tornadus and Calyrex for the vibes, would love any suggestions

[steep mesa]

https://pokebin.com/69afa1c04f7145f4

This is my Reg F team Ive built, Ursaluna is my favorite Pokemon and I’ve been playing Cressluna and P2Ursa for the whole format. I think this is my favorite variation. I wanted to know y’alls thoughts. Normally flutters on these style of teams run sub but i with CM I’m able to punish protects and position well with amoongus/incin next to flutter to pick up some nasty OHKOs and live some strong special hits while my amoongus can tank the physical hits.

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/13b2dc994aaed790
The gang, now returned, more annoying than ever with smeargle and toxapex.

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[spiral cosmos]

First thing id reccomend is changing the koraidon set to LO close combat

[zinc imp]

Why uhh
Taunt on koraidon

[robust venture]

idk I got so pissed with lunala trick room I threw it on there 😭

[zinc imp]

Also the 4 remaining evs on the cal shadow

[robust venture]

isnt collision course usually enough to pick up KOs? is there any KOs that close combat gets that Collision course doesnt?

[robust venture]

what would be better to run taunt on? just tornadus?

[zinc imp]

Well
It just does more damage into some things collision course wouldnt do as much damage
Plus its wolfe's koraidon set

[zinc imp]

I mean prankster taunt is something

[robust venture]

hmm then what should I swap out from Koriadon/Rillaboom/Walking-Wake/Ogerpon?

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/55bce7a556405be9
How to not make reshiram work in vgc
Quite the successful team id say

[ripe turret]

there’s a lot of things that lorb cc picks up that clam collision doesn’t

ogerpon, ursh, non-bulky mirai, kyogre, less bulky bolt, etc.

otherwise this team is kinda all over the place

csr korai is a legit restricted pairing but the partners you’ve chosen for them are a little questionable

wake isn’t very strong in this format imo

and the main problem is with your sets

I’ll make a paste with updated sets sometime later (it might take me a bit though I’m kinda busy lmao)

[urban creek]

can someone teach me how to play vgc reg f, also this my current team https://pokepast.es/959f5402b69477dd

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[simple gorge]

https://pokepast.es/5a769c292f276a18
i hope this is the right play

[simple gorge]

i am in no way a pro so i cannot judge, but here is stuff i noticed:

Landorus-I
aggressive and strong set, but i dont think the team needed a third special attacker instead of something like definitive speed control (Tailwind) or a bulkier slot since Mane and Bolt can handle most threats themselves.

Urshifu-Single
sash is usually the right call, but this team has Follow Me, Fake Out and Intimidate. usually that's structure that supports a Life Orb, Black Glasses or Choice Band Urshifu better than Sash because Sash is best on teams without defensive support.

Incineroar
very fast Incin (252 Spe Jolly), helps outspeeding opposing Fake Outs. but if you think bulk is better to tank some hits (since this team is very offensive in its current state), you could change that too

Raging Bolt
this is a win condition. Calm Mind + Fairy Tera would be good, but max speed frail is hard to set up with. you might want to consider some bulk on bolt as well, but with your defensive tools you might not need it.

overall, very great team! nothing stands out as bad, so you got the basics down nicely. as for how to play Reg F, theres probably many reliable sources online for ya because again i dont have the experience to tell you how

[jovial creek]

use evs from here https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/

most of your team looks strong but the evs are off

flutter mane should probably be moonblast icy wind thunderwave/shadow ball protect

[twilit trench]

Here is my team for reg f:
Big Boss (Weezing-Galar) (M) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Neutralizing Gas
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 92 Def / 164 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Protect
• Taunt
• Strange Steam
• Haze

Bad Kitty (Incineroar) (M) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Atk / 196 SpD
Careful Nature

• Parting Shot
• Fake Out
• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off

Lil Tim (Regigigas) @ Leftovers
Ability: Slow Start
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Protect
• High Horsepower
• Double-Edge
• Drain Punch

Evil Larry (Tornadus) (M) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 124 HP / 12 Def / 4 SpA / 116 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Tailwind
• Taunt
• Icy Wind

Quiet Bob (Flutter Mane) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hyper Voice
• Shadow Ball
• Mystical Fire
• Dazzling Gleam

Johnny (Rillaboom) (M) @ Ability Shield
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 188 HP / 196 Atk / 124 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Grassy Glide
• High Horsepower
• Fake Out
• U-turn
  (Is it good?)

[spiral cosmos]

1. Next time send your team in the format of a pokepaste.

Taunt on weezing sucks because you're slower then most tailwind or TR users (and you already have it on torn anyways). Replace it for toxic spikes. Haze is also just worse then clear smog.

Your incin spread is also kinda weird, especially since you're going to be slower then most opposing incin

Gigas + weezing straight up isnt that good

Torn is fine here

Hyper voice and mystical fire both suck on flutter mane, use moonblast/power gem

If you want high horse power then replace u-turn with wood hammer. If not then replace high horse power with wood hammer.

[spiral cosmos]

Tera stellar is horrible on flutter mane lmao

Always tera fairy

[simple gorge]

fuh

i think it was a misclick lmao

is the team good otherwise?

[spiral cosmos]

No comment because i dont use dozogiri

But ur evs def dont look optimal

Also if ur using speed boost replace power gem with protect

And probably shadow ball for moonblast

Dozo also doesnt need curse

Replace that for EQ

[simple gorge]

dang we don’t need ghost STAB on speed booster mane?

[spiral cosmos]

Not really

[simple gorge]

EQ I understand (cuz omni-boost) but why no ghost stab?

[spiral cosmos]

Theres not that many steels in the tier

[spiral cosmos]

Tera fairy dazzling gleam/moonblast hits like a truck

Especially next to toxic spikes chip, chi yu and the threat of dozogiri in the back

[simple gorge]

understandable, thx!

[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/467cd2b2a175eadb I REALLY like this team but I think my support options are weak

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[jovial creek]

what do you like

and what hasn't been working

[light nebula]

My brings are generally either bolt or moth depending on the mu, and then hands or jumpluff depending on it

[light nebula]

My offense is really powerful

When moth works it WORKS

[jovial creek]

I think you could go chi yu over moth

more damage and boosts miraidon

then I'd run covert cloak jumpluff so you don't have to worry about fake out

and the rest I think is probably fine, you could try av incin over hands

[light nebula]

My problem with that is that I don't have much to benefit from eterrain if I get rid of hands and moth

And that was the main draw of the team for me getting qd and proto

[jovial creek]

I think that miraidon is so strong by itself that you don't need a lot more to benefit from it

go rising voltage on bolt btw

then it can benfit

[light nebula]

People don't really fake out jumpluff anyway so I thought sash would help more

Most people focus on the guy next to it to stop the damage

[light nebula]

I switched hands out for farigiraf

Imprison trick room gives me a better matchup into CIR teams

And armor tail is very nice

Protect and hyper voice because I want to be able to do some damage with it

Elec seed to benefit from terrain

[spiral cosmos]

Bigfoot are you still online

[jovial creek]

Yeah

[meager lynx]

Hey this is the first team I make, I rlly like Sandstream and although It doesnt seem totally viable right now Ive been liking it on showdown https://pokepast.es/10dd645dd7f141ac

If there is any siggestions Id be glad to take them!

https://pokepast.es/9e728fecf0c83ac2
Seems like this link is better so some stats are visible

[spiral cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/15182639bb138502

Been working with this and want some advice

Dursh is evd to live tachyon cutter from 252+ crown

[spiral cosmos]

Icy wind instead of thunderbolt on flutter

Also if ur using jolly garchomp, i think you should be at 154 speed to outspeed modest lando

Ttar should be rock slide instead of body press

[light nebula]

i recognize this team did i play u on ladder earlier

love to see more sandstorm usage

wait no i didnt nvm

i played some guy earlier running a similar team

[meager lynx]

Lol, I Changed it arouns Little since this morning, I had Lycanrock instead of Ogerpon before but he felt underwhelming with what he could contribute so Im trying ogerpon now.

[meager lynx]

I will try that the main problem I encouter right now is fairy/Grass, I use to have Lycanrock instead of ogerpon but he felt weak and gave me too much weakness overlap so i went ogerpon. I got Garchomp at 252 evs speed so hes 169 speed.
I'll try the Icy wind Flutter.
With Tytar Im not sure abt rock slide, Im using him more off as a support pokemon rather than offensive, Hes been doing great work at it, apecially againtst trickroom teams by having taunt and clover coat and being so bulky, I was thinking Low Kick for ursaluna Coverage, But I can also try rockslide and see how it goes.

[spiral cosmos]

Rock slide flinches and spread damage IS the support

Also 169 speed doesnt hit any important speed tiers, which is why i reccomended going one above lando so that you could invest in bulk

[meager lynx]

Yeah But i feel like Ttar is too slow to be getting flinches on most pokemon.

[spiral cosmos]

Rock stab is also good

[meager lynx]

Alright will try that, Where can I see the most relevant teams of the format to see what speeds I would like to go over?

[spiral cosmos]

People in the smogon vgc chat will prob be best to ask about that

[meager lynx]

Alright Ill go with that and try other moves and see how it feels.

[meager lynx]

Kk Thanks for the help

[meager lynx]

Also If I wanna invest in bulk how do I know when is better to invest in HP rather than defense, for example the garchomp when I lower the spees how could I distribute the other points?

[spiral cosmos]

Thats mostly on you to decide. I reccomend using damage calculators to know how to invest ur evs

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

[meager lynx]

Alright will do thx.

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/4c4e19895dc54442
Explosion in vgc
Calyrex shadow is paired with metagross to be immune to its explosion and to increase the explosion damage via helping hand
Urshifu dark is meant to wicked blow tauros through protect to activate its anger point
Eviolite murkrow for speed control plus prankster haze
Solgaleo is just the wide guard user and screen breaker tera dark to resist cal shadows astral barrage and weakness policy is just there for very specific situations where it survives a super effective hit

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[stoic oar]

https://pokepast.es/db55adbd15a2fa6c

this is for a black and yellow only tournament

and im attempting to run trick room any improvements or critiques are very welcome

[zinc imp]

What format are you playing on

[stoic oar]

nation dex

doubles

[zinc imp]

This is for vgc

[stoic oar]

yeah

[zinc imp]

Not nat dex

[stoic oar]

im confused sorry😭

the format im playing on is national dex gen 9 doubles

[obtuse shard]

https://pokepast.es/f583551925934407
Working on a team for official tournament (Serperior is a "must stay" due to my favorite starter lol)

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[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/decd342685fd6d8e
How's this team?

[wheat estuary]

https://pokepast.es/16869efe9324a47a reg f

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[mint pilot]

https://pokepast.es/747de0d80ed0e088 thoughts

[sturdy pecan]

u dont rly need t wave on flutr

u could run dazzling gleam instead

[sleek laurel]

This is flutter Harc goltres

Twave is the whole point of the team btw

[sleek laurel]

Hex is memes, against status’d mons you still just wanna click wrath tbh (unless it’s some new tech but I haven’t seen any of that ever)

Probably u turn last

Rest looks mainly fine, how has cm bolt been serving you in this structure?

Ik it’s something now

But cm bolt with flutter Harc goltres is something I’ve yet to properly understand how it plays

[sturdy pecan]

oh mb

[sleek laurel]

Nah dw lol

[sturdy pecan]

https://pokepast.es/29ba5552fb6a7e80 any advice on my team

[sleek laurel]

Torn > Golt, Prankster Tailwind is way too useful and Rain Dance + Scarf Urshifu is just explosive if you want a fast mode

This also allows you to realistically run Special Attack Booster on Crown, because imo Speed booster is an extremely desperate thing and on actual PsySpam I hate it

Hands spread looks weird (you’re also wasting stats but still, you want more bulk)

Scarf Urshifu 100% wants Adamant

You miss the power a TON and you don’t need Jolly with Scarf

And well, Delphox is unviable but if you must use it

Run Life Orb and just max/max spatk and speed

[sturdy pecan]

nah i dont need to i can replace mons if needed

[sleek laurel]

Ah

Then you can probably do something that’s less reliant on Psychic Terrakn

I wouldn’t do 3 Psychic Terrain Pokémon

Because you want to have an option where you don’t bring Psychic Terrain

If the matchup is too bad

[sturdy pecan]

yea makes sense ty

[sleek laurel]

I think you can just do Hearthflame here, it’s really strong and provides secondary Follow Me and better coverage

This is then semi-standard PsySpam but with Iron Hands

Which honestly is a nice cook imo

[sturdy pecan]

ty yea ill change the stuff

[sleek laurel]

Np

Gl with it

[sturdy pecan]

should i replace imprison on indeedee

with like alluring voice

[sleek laurel]

Oh I skipped that

No, replace it with Helping Hand instead

[sturdy pecan]

oh alr

[sleek laurel]

Lol

[sturdy pecan]

https://pokepast.es/c1fbc56255354900 is kingambit a good mon here or no

[sleek laurel]

Lowk this team looks good

[sturdy pecan]

oh bet

[sleek laurel]

Like good good

Maybe like

You can get away with more bulk at the cost of a bit of attack on Kingambit (196+ or 116+ for the nature jumps)

[sturdy pecan]

oh yay

[sleek laurel]

But if that’s the only thing then the team looks nice enough

[sturdy pecan]

alr yea ill do that

tysm

[sleek laurel]

Np

Maybe do 36 Speed EVs to beat out Adamant Urshifu in TW, which helps if it’s already chipped

[sturdy pecan]

alr yea ill add those in

[sleek laurel]

Bet gl

[sturdy pecan]

ty again

[sleek laurel]

Np, gl with it!

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/9680abd1e2fe080c
How's this team

[ripe turret]

it looks like a HTR team but with some odd choices

amoonguss + gholdengo on HTR are really bad

because you don't want to be spending your time clicking spore or nasty plot inside of TR, you want to be blowing up your opponent as fast as possible

which something like torkoal + hands accomplishes better

you also probably want gallade here over urshifu because it gives you an option for spread move spam

and also works as a tertiary TR setter + is slower/bulkier and hits about as hard