VGC Rates

[sleek laurel]

Happens

[ripe turret]

^ this should be spore over spiky shield on smeargle but yeah

[rigid ore]

Little core I just put together off of reading thru popular ‘mons. Thoughts? And any indicators on where to go from here?

[sleek laurel]

Core looks good, I would drop some bulk on Lando for Special Attack tho, especially if ur running Timid

I’m not a big fan of Peli Arch in Reg F but it’s not unviable and this is the way to use it

[sleek laurel]

Oh hold up

You need Earth Power on Landorus, either you run Sandsear or Substitute

No Earth Power doesn’t cut it, you lack power

Sandsear is weaker due to being a spread move

[sleek laurel]

As for how to continue from here onwards, I’d consider some other sort of offensive mode, so you’re not too reliant on Rain outright

Dragonite + Chien-Pao looks good (but the Chien-Pao item might be an issue), Flutter Mane stuff looks good too

Maybe Flutter + Atk Booster Moon

Which forms a good core with Landorus

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/fd5497afdd2f903a

@rigid ore try this

Changed Pelipper’s Tera to Ghost for the threat of Fake Out in case Tailwind or an emergency attack is needed (and Ground was only useful vs Miraidon anyway), Lando is stronger (252 Speed without Timid may look like bait, but a base 101 Speed means this outspeeds all Adamant/Modest Base 100s), and added the last two mons

Rillaboom gives you a nuke that doesn’t rely on Rain while providing Fake Out and Flutter Mane just does Flutter Mane things

—
One last consideration, you can drop Protect for U-Turn on Rillaboom to form a double U-Turn core with Urshifu, while also allowing you to bring Urshifu or Landorus under Rain while setting up Tailwind from Pelipper, since Rillaboom is slow without Grassy Glide

And honestly, that might be preferred, you can test both

[sullen river]

Why does no one run tera steel terablast on drago?

Its so much better than earth power

It is nessisary into farigaraf and raging bolt

As well as fluttermane

[ripe turret]

it requires your tera

also worse coverage into opposing steel types

[sleek laurel]

I think it’s honestly more about the first one

There are very few viable Steel-types in this regulation not counting Tera Steels and Draco Meteor still does 70 to them

[ivory linden]

The only steel types i can even think of are iron crown, archuladon, and tera steel regidrago

[sleek laurel]

the 2nd one takes more from a Dragon-type move anyway and the third one... 😭

[ivory linden]

Yea

[ivory linden]

I didnt even read that the convo was about regidrago lmao thats fucking funny

[sleek laurel]

lmao

[ripe turret]

meanwhile gholdengo in the corner

[ivory linden]

I try not to think about ghold

[ripe turret]

lol

[sullen river]

Everyone says use earth power but it does like what? 37% to a non bulky steel type

Regidrago has enough firepower to deal with steel types but struggles with fairy

Tera fairy raging bolt is one of the most used mons and im forced to bring drago to force it to fairy tera, then somehow switch to iron crown to tacheon cutter? Tera steel terablast is so much easier

[ivory linden]

Thats why you use darkshifu with poison jab

[sullen river]

Bruh

"Fluttermane"

[ivory linden]

Tera poison

[sullen river]

Why not just tera steel drago and cut out the middleman

Its gains litterly nothing from earth power

Dark and poison aren't even super effective into fluttermane?

Just run rapid strike???

(Which i am)

Tera water iron crown is so fun

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2501106484

Yeah tera your fairy to grass type and see what happens

Honestly being weak to fluttermane isnt bad cause its so frail that you can work around it without specific counters

[uncut cargo]

https://pokepast.es/e73e57d50ec97466
Hydreigon is a favourite of mine btw

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[sullen river]

Are u asking for advice or just showing off your team?

Either one is ok

[uncut cargo]

Advice
It's My first time trying Bo3 too

[sullen river]

I'd put trick on gholdengo as it destroys setup or fake out mons

Also ursaluna isnt great outside of trickroom or without redirection

Also that ursaluna has a bad speed investment

Add a little more speed so it can outspeed base 135 speed mons in tailwind

Cause rn you dont even outspeed base 123 speed mons

[loud hamlet]

some changes i'd suggest https://pokepast.es/cf8a1bc825fec2c5

[ripe turret]

those changes are fine but the EVs can be better and don't run sash with bulk

[sullen river]

Dont run headlong rush and earthquake

[loud hamlet]

anti mane mostly fair point though

[ripe turret]

if you end up running sash you don't need the bulk anyways

another thing to note is that grass weakens eq

[sullen river]

Ah yes, protect spec fluttermane

[ripe turret]

so I'd recommend replacing it with sub or SD

[loud hamlet]

hows this

[sullen river]

https://pokepast.es/5080285d4d28f214
This keeps the main idea of the team

Tera grass on incin is better than goggles, trick is needed on gholdengo, more speed on ursaluna, flutter can stay the same but with tera fairy, gave hydragon more attack and with all this added offense rilla can be more bulky

I fixed all the obvious mistakes without changing the essence of the team, except for maybe vest rillaboom

[uncut cargo]

Ty

First I tried Anihilape but I realized I was so weak to flutter so I swapped it for gholdengo

[lone hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/49fad9d709965a4c basic reg j team

Though im not sure tornadus is needed

[unborn pier]

How does expanding force work against wide guard? Does it get blocked by wide guard with terrain up or is it still considered single target with the second Mon getting hit as an additional effect?

[uncut cargo]

I think it's blocked

[unborn pier]

awesome ty dude

[ripe turret]

it’s blocked in terrain, not blocked outside of it

[ripe turret]

are you allergic to protect or something lmao

you don’t have a single one on your team

outside of that there’s also a ton of questionable set choices

e.g. swords dance scarf, u-turn torn, tbolt kyogre

[sullen river]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2501734850-shk1gr8pp2h9j1lxsl5uyrk9o01iar0pw
This is why I think whims work better on this team than tornadus, I deny all tornadus support plus I can threaten mons forcing them to tera without even bringing in a heavy hitter

Could have gone very bad if he sucker punched drago tho

[broken shuttle]

boss this is for teams not for replays

[sullen river]

Its a replay of my team

[broken shuttle]

right, but this channel is not just for you to post replays

post your team -> get feedback, its fine to include replays in your OG breakdown of the team, but after that it's kinda just excessive

[sullen river]

Sure, valid complaint if this was a busy channel and I was blocking other people messages

But its pretty dead

[ripe turret]

idk what your definition of "dead" is but this channel is not dead dawg

and besides just take it to another channel

you don't have to be arguing about this when you could just follow the rules

[sullen river]

If u cared about only having relevant messages in this channel you wouldn't be sending messages not about teambuilding, its clear you only want to argue

[ripe turret]

I’m the one arguing? seems like you just want to defend yourself and nitpick

once again, take it somewhere else

[sullen river]

Bruh we both the ones arguing

[azure yew]

i think im being giga greedy but I love this team so far: https://pokepast.es/d7898a0e3e84430a

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[azure yew]

teras not final btw, i changed them after and forgot to update

im trying out torn over jugulis rn too

moving cloak to it and giving gapdos scarf instead

[hardy mountain]

https://pokepast.es/7a1e90ca25785b86 https://pokepast.es/f6223c3ae3b06a5d https://pokepast.es/b6942957f5578eb5 I'm trying to get ready for EUIC and i wanna play 1 of these teams, but im not sure which one. Just looking for any tips on what stuff i could change on each team

[azure yew]

i mess with the metal coat ghold team

[hardy mountain]

yeah i also liked that one more than the other because the other ghold had specs, but i wasnt too sure, u got any tips for the metal coat team and the p2 ursa team?

[azure yew]

might be a tad weak to torn? like the tailwin teams

idk tho im pretty new to VGC as a whole

dont take my word

[ripe turret]

I do like the second and third teams but I think you could benefit from running a tailwind mode on them as well

just running a speed booster and tailwind on moon could work

[azure yew]

Ddance moon already feels pretty tight on moves, no?

[ripe turret]

like I mean just replace ddance with tailwind

[azure yew]

ddance moon is brazy rn

I think its really good into balance and can also flip some matchups

[hardy mountain]

so the only thing i change is ddance to tailwind on moon?

should i change any stats or no

also i was thinking, is gholdengo fairy tera better than gholdengo dragon tera?

[ripe turret]

fairy is what I would recommend

[sullen river]

Why do drago teams run tornadus and not whismicott

[azure yew]

torn is just better

in the meta rn

[tight adder]

https://pokepast.es/4390db1de3cef57f reg f team

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[tall trail]

https://pokepast.es/231e0bab53a1a54d

I've made this new team based around trick room. So far it seems pretty good with one Pokemon being out of place. While Slowbro is decent for setting back up trick room, preventing itself from getting stats lowered, and keeping itself on the field for a while, I don't tend to get it to do much damage. There's also the fact I almost never need Clefairy because I've made it to wear Indeedee can fit both roles. At least one of them has to go or at least change in a dramatic way to be usable

[drifting onyx]

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[hardy mountain]

im definitely no expert but i do think indeedee should have expanding force

[ripe turret]

indeedee-f does not get eforce

you shouldn’t be running drain punch on it tho

also some more problems

[sonic sigil]

https://pokepast.es/7f975a0732ce81d4

i've messed around in VGC every now and then before and i'd like some advice on this team this time around. i feel pretty confident in it, but it seems to struggle against stuff like hyper-offense and big walls or setup pokemon. is there a way around those kinds of things with my existing tools, or is there something in the team's structure to blame?

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[sullen river]

What specific mons is it struggling against?

[sonic sigil]

landorus, speed booster flutter, tornadus and gouging fire are all pretty awful-feeling matchups

fake out pressure also feels pretty awful

[sullen river]

I would go grass tera and citrus berry on incin

Its your only matchup into speed boost flutter

[sonic sigil]

i see, i'll give that a shot. is there anything else you find notable?

[tall trail]

Drain punch has been helping indeedee stay on the field longer but Ig I could change it to something else

[ripe turret]

ok I’ll actually give some advice on this team now that I have time

first of all half of your mons don’t really fit on a HTR team

clefairy is pretty useless here as it doesn’t really provide anything to the team, slowbro and skeledirge don’t have the offense that you would be looking for on an HTR team, and iron crown is usually reserved for faster psyspam teams

on this team hatterene and torkoal could easily replace crown and skele

and you could slot in a banded darkfu and smeargle in place of slowbro and clef

also you don’t really want tera psychic on indeedee and hands since the things they provide could be better accomplished with other teras

you’d probably want something like https://pokepast.es/8edb6e1dccb379f2

[drifting onyx]

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[ripe turret]

bad chatot

[tall trail]

okay

[tall trail]

Thanks for the notes. I'm definetly going to use them. While I may not do a total 180, I do agree with a good amount of the points that were made

[ripe turret]

alr gl with the team mate

[pearl valley]

can anyone help me witn my vgc draft (posting it here since no one in the draft channel is responding) (left is my team)

[gaunt locust]

Urshifu @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 86 Def / 170 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Iron Head
• Close Combat
• Wicked Blow
• U-turn

Someone cook with this

[sleek laurel]

The EV spread is unoptimized

And also generally weird in terms of benchmarks

[gaunt locust]

WDYM?

[sleek laurel]

I’d probably try like

4 HP / 252+ Atk / 4 Def / 84 SpD / 164 Spe

[sleek laurel]

It’s wasting stats, and Jolly Scarf Ursh isn’t really good

[gaunt locust]

Why

[sleek laurel]

Detracts from bulk or Attack with not much gain

You don’t need it is the point

[gaunt locust]

Still 252 atk still strong.

[sleek laurel]

The set seems fun tho, maybe try Tera Dark since you lack a way to boost damage

It is, but 252 Adamant is just stronger

[gaunt locust]

Nah tho I like the Def typing wth iron head

[sleek laurel]

But Steel is fine if you think you’re actually clicking Iron Head + the resists

Yea that much is personal preference

[gaunt locust]

Idk. Though I think adamant is still overpowering and speed is what urshifu needs .

[sleek laurel]

I mean, there’s nothing faster than 205 in this metagame that you actually hit with Jolly

I guess you can do it for opposing Urshifu, but atp just go Max Max

Jolly with partial investment just looks like greed

[sleek laurel]

Ig technically Scarf Lando-T

But that still needs more Speed than 164 or 172

And also, 170 is necessarily burning a stat

Because 164 hits the same Speed as 170, but allows you to use 92 in Bulk which is one extra point

[gaunt locust]

ok

[simple gorge]

im new to pokemon vgc in general, decided to make a team for reg F with one of my favourite pokemon in Alolan Ninetales on a snow team. did I do any good?

Snowy (Ninetales-Alola) (F) @ Light Clay
Ability: Snow Warning
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Aurora Veil
• Dazzling Gleam
• Blizzard
• Encore

Krampus (Baxcalibur) (M) @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Ice Body
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 148 HP / 252 Atk / 108 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Icicle Spear
• Scale Shot
• High Horsepower
• Protect

Snowmobile (Chien-Pao) @ Choice Band
Ability: Sword of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Icicle Crash
• Sucker Punch
• Sacred Sword
• Protect

Santa (Iron Bundle) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Blizzard
• Freeze-Dry
• Icy Wind
• Protect

Shelved Elf (Ogerpon-Wellspring) (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Atk / 100 Def
Adamant Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech
• Follow Me
• Spiky Shield

Rudolph (Landorus) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

• Substitute
• Sludge Bomb
• Earth Power
• Protect

[ripe turret]

a9 is actually pretty decent in VGC but you shouldn’t be running it with 4 ice types

there’s actually a strong team featuring a9 and articuno that won a regional I believe

I can send over the paste if you want

it actually has some similar mons with the team that you made

[simple gorge]

I’d like that, thanks! why shouldn’t I run a9 with 3 other ice types tho? this is meant to be a snow team after all

[ripe turret]

the main thing is just the type overlap

ice is not the best type defensively and stacking four of them on the same team kinda exacerbates that problem

with snow it is much better though to the point that mono ice is one of the better monotype teams out there

but generally you will want different types for more flexibility

let me pull up the team for you really quick

[simple gorge]

nice to know, thanks for explaining 🫡

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/243d67ce66c1a336 here’s the team

main mode is a9 + articuno and spam blizzard in the snow

I don’t have time right now to fully explain it but if you have questions just ask and I’ll probably get to them later

[simple gorge]

gotcha, thanks for the info

hagd :)

[sullen river]

Snow is good, ice types arnt

[vale jewel]

Arceus @ Assault Vest
Ability: Multitype
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Giga Drain
• Judgment
• Steel Beam
• Acid Spray

Calyrex-Shadow @ Choice Scarf
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Astral Barrage
• Pollen Puff
• Psychic
• Tera Blast

Incineroar (F) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
IVs: 0 SpA / 0 Spe

• Fake Out
• Parting Shot
• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 SpA

• Earthquake
• Rock Slide
• U-turn
• Hammer Arm

Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tailwind
• Taunt
• Bleakwind Storm
• Protect

Amoonguss (F) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Spore
• Rage Powder
• Pollen Puff
• Clear Smog

I made this team based off of what I remember being good, what should I change?

For reg J

[vale jewel]

My only experience with competitive pokemon is watching wolfe glick's youtube

[pearl valley]

why does nobody respond when i try to ask smth😭

[fiery plinth]

you'll get used it, getting brutally ignored is a norm here

[ripe turret]

tbh teambuilding for draft is a process that takes a ton of time

I don't really have that kind of time

[hearty ledge]

Im relatively new to competitive, im starting to enjoy team building alot and one of my favorite pokemon is Typhlosion

https://pokepast.es/6aaa195240a9e017

So i made a team around Eruption Typhlosion-H for Regulation F

Im using Ninetales instead of Torkoal as my sun setter since i just favor a faster sun setter especially on this team, and im not running TR anyway.

I'd love some feedback on it thanks.

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[jovial creek]

chien pao dnite should just cook

probably av dnite

[pearl valley]

its too late

[pearl valley]

but you can help me with the next mu

[jovial creek]

send

[pearl valley]

i know that hitmontop is a must here

[simple gorge]

Urshifu [Single Strike] @ Leftovers
Ability: Unseen Fist
EVs: 240 HP / 164 Atk / 104 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Bulk Up
• Poison Jab
• Wicked Blow
• Drain Punch

bulky Urshifu set. any changes yall would make?

[ripe turret]

it’s not really worth it

shifu’s physical bulk is good, but on the special side it’s too weak to justify running a setup set

especially since you’re essentially forced to either tera or die in front of anything that knows a fairy move

[simple gorge]

i dont want to make my shifu die to special tho

should i try assault vest or something?

[ripe turret]

like I said, its special bulk is pretty bad, and while AV does help with that, you still have to worry about your crippling 4x weakness

like it’s literally just flutter mane food

and AV doesn’t really help with that at all

AV really only works on mons that are already bulky

for example iron hands, its HP stat is incredible compared to urshifu and its physdef is better I believe

and it doesn’t have to worry about a 4x weakness

so that means it gets a lot more staying power with the AV compared to shifu

[simple gorge]

yeah those are fair points

i could maybe sub shifu to iron hands but ill have to test a bit first

ill be looking for better sets on shifu then if it doesnt work out iron hands is my next bet

ty for advice

[ripe turret]

for darkfu really the only viable sets are sash, band, and to an extent black glasses

[ripe turret]

yeah np

[pearl valley]

what do you think of a hitmontop-heatran lead

[jovial creek]

send your team too?

[jovial creek]

doesn't pao dnite just rip through them?

[pearl valley]

gyarados has ice fang

and greninja has ice beam too

[pearl valley]

who in the back then

[jovial creek]

does it get an attack off

just tera normal espeed it

[pearl valley]

no

81% chance to ko

[ripe turret]

just sayin

they will probably run tera ghost on one of those mons or smth

[pearl valley]

sure glad for that icy cat

okidogi is the biggest threat but the cat has psychic fangs

[ripe turret]

yeah upper hand is kinda annoying

idt it kills but it'll probably do a decent chunk to dnite at least

actually with sword of ruin it does KO depending on how much bulk you run

if they are max attack adamant

[pearl valley]

252 HP

[ripe turret]

it's a 12.5% chance

so not huge

[pearl valley]

well thats with tera

outside of sword

[pearl valley]

Btw who else in the back besides top

[tight adder]

https://pokepast.es/775ec7164ea22bb6 idrk how to really approach tr teams here

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[hearty ledge]

Why aren't you running Eruption on the Fire Fish

[granite basin]

it doesn't get eruption

[granite basin]

i think for trick room replacing psychic with snadsear storm on landorus and then potentially dazzling gleam on flutter mane and then going tera ghost on chi yu allows you to lead chi yu + one of landorus and flutter mane and spam spread moves in the face of redirectors or tera out of fake out and double down on the setter

[shut copper]

A team I’ve finally been seeing ok results with
Struggles really hard into urshifu and some flutter builds tho but it’s fun

https://pokepast.es/ebfa037cf6b5f479

[drifting onyx]

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[sleek laurel]

Looks fine

You can have 4 extra Attack on Ting without a cost

Due to Level 50 shenanigans but lmao

[shut copper]

I just realised I have 116 evs that I’ve not allocated

On tinglu

Don’t ask me how I never noticed

Umm where should it be put in?

[sleek laurel]

I didnt calc at all lol

[sleek laurel]

Honestly since your only damaging moves are

Sand Tomb

And Snarl but that does 0

[shut copper]

Defence or Hp?

[sleek laurel]

Physdef

Maybe do like

116+ Def and 20 Attack if you wanna hit the nature jump

Or you can do 132 HP too

And 116+ Def

Which is also useful to minimize stuff like poison damage

[shut copper]

I had a question abt optimizing hp recovery from leftovers

[sleek laurel]

Optimizing HP from Leftovers happens at 240 HP

[shut copper]

It’s just a number divisible by 16 right?

[sleek laurel]

With 132 HP, you hit 247

Yea

[shut copper]

Ah ok

[sleek laurel]

Which is also useful to minimize Poison

Because 248 divides 8

And 247 is that, minus 1

[shut copper]

Got it

[sleek laurel]

So yea lol

[obtuse dew]

https://pokepast.es/5ba36f8026502b0f
I need some help, I've tried this teama little and one thing I struggled against was Urshifu Single Strike, especially if I dont bring my Whimsicott, also I'm just trying to play some favorites which is why I'm using Ambipom rn. I'm also sure that I would struggle against Farigirafs and maybe Indeedees since my team kinda depends on Prankster and Bullet Punch

[shut copper]

Ty

[sleek laurel]

132 HP / 4 Atk / 116+ Def

Np

[obtuse dew]

I'm thinking of using a Smogon instead of Amoonguss so that I could counter Indeedees and Farigirafs

[sleek laurel]

Sorry back

I’m on the road lmao

[obtuse dew]

damn be careful I have time 😭

[sleek laurel]

Unfortunately, 3 of the mons on this team are unviable, and the other three don’t really play together and will often want different sets/spreads

I think if you’re trying to play your favorites (as you said) then be my guest, but you’re not really going to be able to find much advice from this server

Mainly because there’s not much competitive theory behind it

That said

[obtuse dew]

I'm guessing the unviable ones are Ambipom Braviary and Scizor (?)

[sleek laurel]

Yea, those three

[obtuse dew]

I see

[sleek laurel]

One small piece of advice is, if you wanna use Ambipom in specific, run it as a Fake Out + U-Turn bot

[obtuse dew]

alr thanks ig I will just keep adjusting until it either works or I give up

[sleek laurel]

It’s not good at all

But it’s the best you can do lol

But yea if I were to rebuild this team, I’d have to get rid of those three

[sleek laurel]

So this is kinda all I can do for ya, mb

[obtuse dew]

tried it but it gets countered way too easy lmao

alr thanks

[sleek laurel]

Np

Ty for being chill about it lol

[obtuse dew]

yea ofc, I alr know that those mons are not great lmao

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/8545d2663d54d7cf this team feels horrible for some reason

[ripe turret]

well the problem is

you're running koraidon on a csr zama balance team

that's the issue

if you're running koraidon you want more mons that can take advantage of the sun

for example proto mons like flutter and bonnet or fire type damage machines like chi-yu

outside of that it doesn't seem like your team has a great way to deal damage

like you have mons that can gradually chunk away at opponents, and any SE hits will die to your two restricteds

but nothing here really has that OHKO potential except for csr which needs a turn to set up in order to really start taking KOs

like nothing on the team is really bad by itself

except for maybe regieleki

but it's just the team as a whole is kind of lacking

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/7d420939834f3f4e

How's this

[fiery plinth]

maybe I can switch to something like focus sash flutter instead of regi and specs chi yuu instead?, also I regi isn't that bad at all, as long as you have a decent answer for ground types it's good speed control

[ripe turret]

I mean yeah eleki is not bad on its own, but here flutter is just better

you can try something like james evans’ team

[fiery plinth]

who ? 😭

[ripe turret]

runner up at the 2025 world championships

he used a similar core with csr + korai

[fiery plinth]

Wait a sec there's a person named james baek got 2nd in 2025 championships, his team is exactly the same as mine

[ripe turret]

???

wdym

[fiery plinth]

like the difference is literally just the incin set

[ripe turret]

oh interesting

lmao

[fiery plinth]

I still think that what you said is generally better for non-expert person like me

my only real instant power is calyrex, which is inconsistent

[simple gorge]

i still don’t know how to properly operate this team i made. here’s one of my matches along with the team. is there anything i can change about my playstyle or the team?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2504583671-tb2igf5x1a0jcoih3nkd3gsdarogc41pw

https://pokepast.es/4b548bb851fc03ad

(im hella new to competitive pokemon as a whole, don’t judge the gameplay THAT harshly 😭)

[cinder glacier]

Can anyone review this team

[simple gorge]

im not nearly good enough to be reviewing teams but ill go over it rq

i think it’s pretty good, you got great coverage and nice synergy but a few things i noticed:
-torkoal without trick room doesn’t look right to me, especially with minimum speed. though helping hand mitigates that, i think you need TR unless there’s something I’m missing (which there probably is)
-idk if clear amulet is the right choice on incineroar if you want it to be bulky, sitrus berry looks better to me but i may be wrong about it.

pinged you by accident sry

[fiery plinth]

oh yeah I can tell that you're new, I can't even see evs on your paste

[simple gorge]

oops i forgot lmao

lemme send you them rq

[simple gorge]

this one should have ‘em

https://pokepast.es/3042b014b307ffc7

[ripe turret]

ok so there are a few things I spotted here, if you really want to run a sun team you could try slotting in chi-yu over bolt and tornadus over torkoal, chi-yu works better as a lead with some of your mons and tornadus is much more flexible of a sun setter

it kinda does depend on what kind of sun team you want to run, if you favor a more control-based team then your slower and bulkier mons are fine but if you want to run HO then yeah try those changes

I also think bolt and wake are a little redundant

so I’d recommend changing one of those two

outside of that there are a few set things like clam incin (as mentioned above) and the EVs on certain mons coupd be better

[ripe turret]

also if you want to try out a hyper offense team then I’d replace venusaur with cornerstone as well

[ripe turret]

mirror herb incin iirc was a tech used for defiant mons, but in reg f they’re much less common so I think you’d find more value out of a different item

also I think setup dengo is better here

it just feels like it fits better since you have double fake out + redirection

and also flying blast lando is not really that great

you’d find more use out of sub here

because your coverage moves hit everything you want to most of the time

the only thing you’d really be using it for is probably amoonguss and urshifu

and you have decent checks to shifu already and if you run goggles incin amoong won’t really be a problem either

here I think hearthflame would be a decent shout over clef actually

[simple gorge]

few questions with what u said
would i have to change my tera if I switch tera blast to sub? if so, to what?
do i need to change incin’s set if i use goggles?

[fiery plinth]

lando usually runs either poison or steel but since you're going sub I recommend steel, also no you can keep that set although I recommend tera grass or fairy but ghost is also fine this set can run sitrus berry or safety goggles without any changes, you should only change it if you're running assault vest

[rigid ore]

This is all dope, thank you so much!

And I know this is like 5 days late, but I was mad busy lol

TYSM!

[sleek laurel]

No problem LOL

[ripe turret]

yeah I like steel on lando and the incin set is changeable to 244/4/188+/0/68/4 but yeah swap the item to goggles

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/a30f4f917184b77a
How's this team

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[pearl valley]

the flutter and raging bolt mu is a bit bad here, yeah you do have landorus but its very common for raging bolt to have chien pao as a partner

[ripe turret]

run psychic>gleam on farig and scarf shifu

I'd also recommend replacing rilla here

since an arch enabler isn't really mandatory this reg

[pliant horizon]

https://pokepast.es/d70b9f7d7d085ea8

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[pliant horizon]

i think this is nice

[simple gorge]

you cooked with this one! but I do have a few things:

-first, gholdengo could use leftovers. leftovers lets it set up multiple nasty plots in a game while healing and shielding off damage with protect, making dengo hit harder than metal coat.
-second, i think you should give ursuluna some sort of priority move to pick off low HP targets before they can damage you, like quick attack or vacuum wave. I’d put one over hyper voice, but this honestly isn’t a necessary change since spread damage is important in vgc
-finally, snarl on a choice-locked chi-yu doesn’t look right. chi-yu is too frail to be on the field lowering stats, even once or twice. I’d sub it out for tera blast to hit fighting types and flutter mane

otherwise you have a great trick room team! kudos to you 🫡

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/dfa1cd6eddb969b1

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[ripe turret]

tbh this is fine, I don’t see any major problems with it

[ripe turret]

not to be rude or anything, but all of the changes you suggested were fine as is

[ripe turret]

I think I like brute bonnet here over amoonguss

it’s a better sun abuser + can actually deal some damage

[fiery plinth]

the zam's mu sometimes scare me

I did had it at first but like I said the zam's mu scares me

[ripe turret]

for zama just whale on it with korai

you can also try chi-yu over incin

(wait doesn’t this just make it gio’s team)

[fiery plinth]

Who 😭

[ripe turret]

world champ 😭

[fiery plinth]

sometimes I feel dumb when idk supposedly famous pokemon players

[ripe turret]

nah dude it’s ok

knowing the players doesn’t really matter tbh

all you gotta know is that those changes basically make it the same team as his lmao

although it did work ig

[fiery plinth]

anyway is the amoong replacement really needed? kinda love the sleep

[ripe turret]

brute bonnet gets basically everything amoonguss does

except for the typing

and ability

but its stats are better and it also has access to spore + rage powder

[fiery plinth]

what set?

[ripe turret]

lemme pull it up really quick

[fiery plinth]

ye ik, still feel like amoong can be more better at supporting and lasting long with regenerator

[ripe turret]

Brute Bonnet @ Covert Cloak
Level: 50
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 SpD
Tera Type: Water
Impish Nature

• Sucker Punch
• Spore
• Rage Powder
• Seed Bomb

main draw for bonnet is better bulk under sun + more damage dealing capabilities

its typing means it matches up far better into the calyrexes and lunala

and sucker punch is always a strong move

against zama it is worse

[fiery plinth]

can I switch seed bomb with pollen puff?

[ripe turret]

you could, but that makes it much less threatening offensively

ex. against urshifu or just as a cleanup move

you can keep amoonguss here if you want, this is just an alternative

[fiery plinth]

ok ig, I'll make two teams one with among and the other with bb and test them both, thx for the help

[ripe turret]

yup np

[fiery plinth]

also just to be safe what are the mons or specfic duos i should be worried about?

[ripe turret]

probably still zama, with korai it shouldn’t be too much of a problem but you still need to position around it well

[simple gorge]

dang I thought I made some good points

especially leftovers dengo

[ripe turret]

leftovers dengo just doesn't do enough damage without setting up

which is more important this reg because the higher power level means you aren't setting up as often, and even when you do, the recovery makes less of a difference because everything just hits harder

hyper voice is ursaluna's strongest normal type move outside of blood moon, it can hit both opponents, turns into a tactical nuke with tera, and gives you a normal-type move to click when blood moon is on cooldown

and snarl on chi-yu is used as less of a support move (although the stat drops can make a difference sometimes) and more as a spread dark move, albeit weak

[ripe turret]

the last point here is especially important because you ideally want to maximize damage inside of your own TR, so needing to protect or click earth power every other turn kinda sucks

[calm arrow]

I dont have my full team here but does anyone have an Opion on this Entei set?

Entei @ Choice Band
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 110 HP / 190 Atk / 100 Def / 108 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Stomping Tantrum
• Sacred Fire
• Iron Head

I maxd out all IVs

And no Iron Head I had it learn Snarl instead

[pearl valley]

why did you make the evs like this

thats the first question, not that they’re bad or anything

[simple gorge]

was gonna ask this just now. if these EVs are to let Entei survive a specific calculation I’d say keep it, but otherwise max out your attack stat to take advantage of choice band and coverage

[calm arrow]

My first thought was since I want to Primarily use Entei as a Extreme Speed sweeper instead of putting EVs into its defenses.

[pearl valley]

well uh

it gets one shot by landorus

with this spread

[calm arrow]

Well thats what terra normal is for

[pearl valley]

urshifu as well

[calm arrow]

True

[pearl valley]

Smogon set already does this

just max out on HP and do some calcs to adjust the bulk

then pour the rest into attack

[calm arrow]

Ty for your feedback!

[pearl valley]

oh and if you wanna survive that earth power/sandsear storm from landorus, give it the assault vest

[calm arrow]

Thats the dilema I ran into, the team I am thinking of another Mon is using assault vest Raging Bolt

But I may switch it up

[pearl valley]

well there is calm mind lefties bolt

[calm arrow]

Do you know the mmoves usually run on that set?

[ripe turret]

tclap dpulse cm and protect

very rarely I have seen tbolt over tclap

[unborn silo]

https://pokepast.es/a82d03a23e649714
I want to try palafin

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[jovial creek]

I like the idea but I think you could move the items around

Pao should probably be sash, I'd make palafin clear amulet and then you would have to find another item for peli

[unborn silo]

What move I use on palafin if it clear amulet?

[jovial creek]

Protect and ice punch over cc and flip turn imo

[buoyant quail]

https://pokepast.es/3bda881a682a01bd
been using this team on the vgc reg f ladder. curious to see what more experienced people think of it.

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[buoyant quail]

i like regidrago

[sleek laurel]

Will get to this in 30 if no one has yet

Just busy irl rn

But at a first glance I can say this, it’s too heavy Trick Room oriented with a weird Tailwind mode

But will do a more detailed rate soon (ping me directly in 30 if I forget and no one’s here yet)

Lol

[buoyant quail]

i totally forgot @sleek laurel hi

[ripe turret]

looking at this it does seem very similar to a meta HO team

you would really just need to replace tork, ghold, and ursa, with hearthflame, crown, and scarf rapid strike

if you don’t want to go that route I do agree that your two modes are a little awkward

it feels like you can either only play TR or TW in a given matchup

like what I mean is that your two modes are trying to function as two distinct modes with little overlap rather than a cohesive team with two different options, which is generally not great

[buoyant quail]

icic

[buoyant quail]

yeah id rather not go the full meta route

[ripe turret]

ok that’s perfectly fine

[buoyant quail]

i do get what you mean tho

[ripe turret]

ok ok

what I would do is start off by replacing torkoal here, it is the most inflexible mon here and also doesn’t provide much to the team outside of its TR offense

[buoyant quail]

yeah thats what i was thinking about doing

what would you swap it to

[ripe turret]

not saying that you can’t use torkoal outside of TR, but it also doesn’t support anything else too well

hmm

[buoyant quail]

torkoal's nice to bring when theres like

urshifu rapid strike for example

sun cripples the dps

[ripe turret]

that is true, but you also have other ways to deal with rapid strike

like rocky helmet indeedee for example

[buoyant quail]

yeah true

[ripe turret]

to be honest I think the meta team is directing my thoughts too much

all roads lead to hearthflame

lmao

[buoyant quail]

thats fine

im fine with just ogerpon

[ripe turret]

to be honest I was maybe thinking wellspring as kind of role compression between pon and shifu

but that might be compressing a little too much

the other thing I would suggest is probably making ursa faster to work in tailwind

[buoyant quail]

what speed stat should i be hitting on it

just swapping to adamant gets it to 55 speed

which outspeeds raging bolts in tailwind

[buoyant quail]

and also not making it minspeed

i dont remember swapping that but thats there too

wait no

im just confused mb

yeah 55 speed with min speed adamant

[ivory linden]

Prankster coaching riolu

[sleek laurel]

@buoyant quail I forgot too

I see Rain lend you some hands, where did yall stop?

[sleek laurel]

Usually you’re gonna want some more than that btw

I like running 31 IVs + 36 EVs to outspeed non-Scarf Urshifu in Tailwind, but you can justify even more tbf

I would probably do like, in this metagame

140 HP / 156 Atk Adamant / 44 Def / 52 SpD / 116 Spe

Which outspeeds Landorus in Tailwind and everything slower, keeps the Attack jump and a very good chance to survive Surging Strikes iirc, while 140 HP minimizes burn damage

But I need you to show me the current version of the team first lol

[pearl valley]

too late

[simple gorge]

i decided to make a miraidon team with some future paradox pokemon, rate the team:
https://pokepast.es/9e55561337587a10

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[simple gorge]

what do you even do Chatot

⁉️

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/aac30001639328c7 is this good?

[simple gorge]

looks fine to me, nothing I’d change except maybe rillaboom’s tera (maybe to Water or Poison?) since you’re running AV

but you don’t gotta change that

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[peak sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/a5274c7fc143a549

[fiery plinth]

wait I actually did notice that, it should be fire

[simple gorge]

idk if fire is the best choice considering a9 and bax also have tera fire

I can’t explain why I think so but having multiple pokemon with the same tera type leads to them being weak to the same things

[sleek laurel]

No it does not, because you can only Tera one of them

It can theoretically lead to the same two Pokémon being able to make pins on more than one of yours, but that will usually always be the case anyway

Because you can only escape any given pin with one Tera

[simple gorge]

no what I mean is that like

say you have a fire type that threatens your team with rillaboom, Ninetales and bax in play or something

since they’re all weak to fire, it’s harder to get better positioning since as you said can only tera one

which leads to them being weak to the same things even if you tera

[sleek laurel]

That’s true, but it remains true no matter what your Tera type is on Rillaboom

[simple gorge]

how so? I mean Ninetales and Bax at least have secondary types that help while Rillaboom is mono grass

[sleek laurel]

A fire type that threatens all of Rilla, Tales and Baxc will always be threatening those three

Changing your Tera Type on Rillaboom doesn’t make Ninetales or Baxc less threatened by it

It’s not an issue to run multiple of the same Tera types at all because you can never Tera more than one of them

So there’s never gonna be type overlap for this reason alone

[simple gorge]

ah alright I understand now

i remember making a team a few days ago and showed it to some friends and they said I shouldn’t have so many pokemon with the same tera type so I was operating on that same logic

thanks for explaining that 🫡

[sleek laurel]

Yea it doesn’t really apply, np

I know why they thought so because I also weird it sometimes

But there’s no theory behind it being bad, at least not that I’m aware of or have ever seen or felt lol

[fiery plinth]

btw what do you think of the team?

[sleek laurel]

Looks fine in concept, Sneasler and Baxc both might be forcing the off-meta lines but I don’t see any glaring issues lol

[fiery plinth]

I do feel like the team is a bit lacking on the special side

[sleek laurel]

It is, and I noticed that too

I was honestly thinking of Lando-I or Raging Bolt but I’m just worried for your Speed

Altho this is very balancy

So they can deffo work

[simple gorge]

gonna bump this

[fiery plinth]

ok then thx

[random wagon]

this is a reg i it seems from the details in the paste

reg i isnt currently played and allows for 2 restricteds anyways

reg j is however currently played and allows for 2 restricted pokemon

in which case i would drop heatran for a second restricted pokemon

probs ice rider or an arceus form since reg j allows for mythical pokemon as restricted options

would also remove lando-t and replace it with incin / urshifu-r / hogerpon / lando-i

all are better options imo

farig should have electric seed

goggles arent necessary thanks to electric terrain

evs could use work but thats something you should fine tune with testing

[simple gorge]

I meant to put it in reg g god damn it (and even that’s not in play rn 😭)

[random wagon]

treads also isnt great as of rn

probs replace with one of the mons listed above although it can be kept if it is absolutely desired

hands should have av and drop protect for low kick / heavy slam / ice punch or volt switch if you want something crazy

parabolic charge miraidon also kinda stinks

either remove it for discharge or run tera fairy + dgleam instead (i recommend the latter option)

[simple gorge]

i wanted to test myself by making the team around parabolic charge

[random wagon]

unfortunately parabolic charge really stinks

[simple gorge]

it’s why I have 2 ground types

• protect on hands

[simple gorge]

true but what can one do 🙃

[random wagon]

miraidon isnt bulky enough to use it + prefers the power and para chance from discharge

dazzling gleam + tera fairy is far better than those options actually

[simple gorge]

ok lemme change up the team with those changes and I’ll see how it looks

thanks for all the help 🫡

[sleek laurel]

It’s gonna be

In like 10 days

[random wagon]

oh lmao 😭

[simple gorge]

https://pokepast.es/cca419d10f6056f9
this is an insane change but lunala looks like the best partner after thinking it over

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[simple gorge]

ok fr what do you do????

[ripe turret]

it pings the raters

to let them know that there's a team to be rated

but tbh idk if they really pay attention to it

[jovial creek]

why is there a boots torn t

the whole team just has sub optimal sets ngl

[simple gorge]

mb that’s meant to be rocky helmet due to regenerator

think I misclicked or sum

[jovial creek]

I wouldn't run torn t in reg I

[simple gorge]

this is honestly a rough draft, haven’t tested at all and just experimenting

[jovial creek]

its just too weak for the format, all of the restricted mons are going to overpower it

[simple gorge]

what do you think I should switch it to considering it’s role as tailwind setter?

[jovial creek]

whimsicott

and I'd change tailwind on lunala

honestly you shouldn't have both lunala and farig

they want similar items and have similar roles

[simple gorge]

yeah I might switch Lunala for something else tbh

[jovial creek]

I feel like

fast cir could work

with whimsicott

[simple gorge]

yeah that makes the most sense offensively

electric ice covers the entire format

[jovial creek]

yeah

[simple gorge]

lemme make a set for CIR rq

[jovial creek]

go clear amulet 2 attacks

trick room protect

[simple gorge]

Calyrex-Ice @ Clear Amulet
Ability: As One (Glastrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Glacial Lance
• High Horsepower
• Trick Room
• Protect

[jovial creek]

you shouldn't be 0 speed bc of the tailwind

should probably be closer to max speed

[simple gorge]

i lowk thought we’d run modes here

calyrex mode and Miraidon mode separately

[jovial creek]

you want the option to mix and match

[simple gorge]

fair, you think id have to sacrifice bulk or power first for speed then

[jovial creek]

something you could consider would be to try and fit some more incineroar hate

and then go never melt ice to make up for the damage you lose by going fast

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/05a3c8db12a4dc48 need some opinions, I feel like sd hoger is underrated

[jovial creek]

that looks good

you could consider making rilla faster?

but you don't have to

[fiery plinth]

wait by how much?

[jovial creek]

maybe outspeed max speed incin?

[fiery plinth]

rilla without any speed investment can comfortable outspeed the common incin's sets, also WHO would run max speed incin anyway?

[jovial creek]

its a thing that pops up

[fiery plinth]

rilla need 60 evs to outspeed it

[jovial creek]

yeah that isn't much

[lavish nexus]

felt like building with gouging fire
https://pokepast.es/2cec7ce230b0d1d6

[viscid knoll]

https://pokepast.es/090d907ec1a22695 Bellibolt has an interesting ability so I wanted to build a team with it that’s as good as possible

[peak sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/a5274c7fc143a549

Sun team

Any improvements?

[pearl valley]

what mon is that in the 4th slot?

anyways

id suggest a trick room mode

[peak sentinel]

Hisuian typhlosion

Maybe tr for encore on whimsicot?

[pearl valley]

i meant 6th sorry

anyways trick room on whims wont work since its way too frail

it might sure

but it’s gonna be hard to pull off

without any redirection

[peak sentinel]

Torkoal

I think the team is fast enough without tr

It falls apart outside of sun though

[pearl valley]

torkoal is dead weight and just can’t really do much without trick room

and hisuian typh falls to booster mane

you need some way to beat tornshifu

that is a very problematic matchup for you

i think you should consider ogerpon or indeedee-f psyspam w hatterene

[peak sentinel]

I have after you on lilligant

Ig ogerpon redirection would be good

[pearl valley]

follow me throws that out of the windom

window

and also lilligant does not improve the tornshifu matchup

[peak sentinel]

I was considering ice spinner on lilligant for protect, but i dont think it ohkos tornadus

[fiery plinth]

I need help with the last slot on this team https://pokepast.es/5e3649abcf42f4fa I feel like I can through a chi yu in to boost s-rider and lando's damage

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[pearl valley]

new opponent (right is my team), I think Chien-Pao + Dragonite would work well here, but i wanna see what you guys think. Biggest threat is probably Primarina, which I don’t really know how to beat, but it’s pretty slow

Also I don’t know if i can use espeed spam here because of Corviknight

In previous games, it sets up with Bulk Up, and Heatran might be able to handle it if it doesn’t Tera

[hardy mountain]

https://pokepast.es/7642af3a8c323f55 is this team viable in reg f/is it good against the main threats of the regulation like raging bolt, tailwind/tr teams, articuno, regidrago?

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/e1049bbc956f0fe0 is this good?

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[fast wolf]

https://pokepast.es/a1ff327e37812c1c thoughts on anything? right now im thinking that scizor isn't the play, but i 100% want to keep typhlosion, bolt, and farig

[fast wolf]

i would say the only change i would make is to swap maushold for clef. also not a bad thing really, but what does sunny day really do for this team?

[fast wolf]

it looks more than viable other than choice specs perish song lol. you are missing speed control like completely, so i feel like you almost instantly lose to hard trick room or hard tailwind

[sleek laurel]

Choice Specs Perish Song is a legitimate and standard set btw

Because you only ever click Perish Song against opposing Dondozo

I do like running Power Gem sometimes tho

[sleek laurel]

The concept is fine, specifics could see some change

[fast wolf]

oh yeah i guess

[sleek laurel]

A few sets, mainly, and yea deffo not Scizor lol

[fast wolf]

i was thinking scizor because like it beats flutter and like tera fairy everything and u turn kills like anything weak to bug

[sleek laurel]

I’ll get a more detailed paste for this later or tomorrow, depending on how much time I have (it’s about 11pm here)

I get the idea, but it’s just too lackluster and weak to most meta threats except Flutter

It hard loses to Incin, Bolt, Urshifu, and all offensive Fire-types, and being an U-turn bot is not as valuable in VGC

Because you can only U-turn into 2 other things, the momentum cost is way bigger than in singles, and it can sometimes actively suck if you already lost 1 Mon

[fast wolf]

oh i know it doesnt work

[sleek laurel]

Usually U-turn mons really want something else to it’s name lol

[fast wolf]

i was thinking whim maybe

[sleek laurel]

Whim is good

You want Tailwind here

[fast wolf]

yeah fair enough

[sleek laurel]

And maybe Tork > Tales to have a TR mode

[fast wolf]

would torn maybe do more for me

[sleek laurel]

Whimsi can set Sunny Day if you don’t have Tork

And

Maybe

Worth testing both

The last Mon can prolly be Chi-Yu

And a few sets can be reworked

[fast wolf]

i really really hate playing torkoal and im confident in beating trick room with other stuff and also i like ninetales for its movepool

[sleek laurel]

Tales is fine if you rather it

Not optimal but viable

And atp it’s a playstyle thing

But then you might wanna drop Farig

Although also maybe not

Actually yea just do Torn or Whimsi last and ball

[sleek laurel]

I was thinking this over Typh but you wanna use Typh so scratch that

[fast wolf]

typh hits insane damage

it does like 60% to some incin sets

it does sorta lose against teams with a ton of fire resists but thats where wake and bolt do their thing

[sleek laurel]

Wake and Bolt are stars yea

I particularly like that you already included Wake

I feel like the value of having a viable Water-type attacker in Sun is incredibly underrated

And underappreciated

Im not sure if I’d do Specs Wake over Life Orb tho because Protect is just generally so valuable

But Specs is fine due to Flip Turn

[fast wolf]

yeah no i will swap to life orb and remove flip for protect

[sleek laurel]

But gea

Specs Miraidon plays in a similar way, but the difference (and it’s a massive difference) is that Volt Switch from it actually like

[fast wolf]

i need to do damage calcs to see if specs pushes kos onto stuff but in general life orb or even like black belt or smt would work fine

[sleek laurel]

Does ridiculous amounts of damage

Expert Belt isn’t really worth it, LOrb is just better to get neutral damage boost

[sleek laurel]

So it wins trades by pivoting

Wake loses trades by pivoting because Flip Turn in Sun might as well heal the target

So yea just do LOrb Tect ig

[fast wolf]

this team just insta loses to dozo so would murkrow actually be better

[fiery plinth]

boosts chi yuu damage and gives raging bolt the protosynthesis boost

[urban steeple]

https://pokepast.es/17847e5b776da733 this is the first team that i try out for vgc is this good to start?

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[sleek laurel]

This is a very good starting point, and I like most if not all of your mons in a vacuum, but the thing with this team is that you lack damage

You can’t really play 5 supporters and 1 offensive Pokémon, you just won’t be able to win the damage trades

[urban steeple]

yeah i noticed that

[sleek laurel]

I feel like the better way to go around here is to first decide what kind of archetype you want to play

Do you want something more aggressive, with heavy Speed control, or something more balance-y?

[urban steeple]

when i tried that team out i always relied on ursaluna bloodmoon to do big damage with the support of helping hand the thing is that i need to also trick room to make ursaluna faster the problem is that there are faster enemies. About the style i want to play, maybe a more aggressive play

[sleek laurel]

Yea I figured, and Ursaluna is a good damage dealer but it won’t win on its own lol

This is kinda why you rarely see teams with even 2 offensive attackers and 4 supporters do well

And sure, I think you probably can keep Farigiraf and Bloodmoon and then build a naturally fast mode

I think I can get a team for you with these two if you want

[sleek laurel]

By that I mean, other Pokémon that operate outside of Trick Room

Farigiraf + Bloodmoon is a known core and can definitely be kept as your Trick Room mode

[urban steeple]

that would be great

[sleek laurel]

Sure, give me like 20-30 mins tho because it’s 7 in the morning and I gotta have breakfast LMAO

[urban steeple]

yeah no problem

[sleek laurel]

Bet ty

https://pokepast.es/04a5f099485550e8 @urban steeple I got you this

It’s a pretty aggressive team with some well known offensive cores, double Speed control etc

You might feel like it’s got too little defensive backbones but that’s kinda the nature of hyper offense

You can try slotting in something like Incineroar or Hearthflame > Chi-Yu if you do miss them tho

I’d personally go Hearthflame in that case because idk Incineroar just feels like it’s lacking its partners in this team

I actually think Hearthflame might be better than Chi-Yu here in hindsight but it’s a case of test both

Torn + Ursh is good, Rain Dance is more free to click than it seems unless you bring your Fire-type and/or no Urshifu because Rain-boosted Surging Strikes just explodes everything, and Farigiraf + Bloodmoon do wonders against Raging Bolt

https://pokepast.es/a41716183692d9b1

for the Hearthflame version

[sleek laurel]

The more I look at it, the more I’d recommend this tbh

I should’ve thought of that 30 seconds earlier

Oh well, life

Lol

[urban steeple]

thanks a lot when i have the time i'll try it out

[sleek laurel]

Np and gl

[urban steeple]

i tried the team and actually won some games, it's good to have somewhere to start, thanks a lot again

[sleek laurel]

No problem, glad to help!

Thanks for the feedback too

[random wagon]

late response but looks like solid bolt balance. Chi-yu doesnt really work though, especially with specs, as it tries to make the team offense even though, as long as there is cm bolt, it never really will be

chi-yu should probs be dropped for urshifu-rapid

maushold also just isn't good as of now, dropping it for a better form of redirection (aka ogerpon; anything but teal mask should do) should do wonders

also tornadus, because of the addition of urshifu-r, should run rain dance over sunny day (bolt doesnt need the proto boosts that much)

actually you probably dont even want tornadus here

cm bolt balance doesnt really carry tornadus, although you should have some form of speed control

something like speed booster icy wind flutter mane should do wonders here

[lament scroll]

Pelipper @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Weather Ball
• Hurricane
• Roost
• Icy Wind

Scizor @ Protective Pads
Ability: Technician
Level: 50
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 136 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 116 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Bullet Punch
• Swords Dance
• Aerial Ace
• Bug Bite

Walking Wake @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hydro Steam
• Dragon Pulse
• Snarl
• Weather Ball

Cresselia (F) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Lunar Blessing
• Trick Room
• Moonblast
• Ice Beam

Ceruledge @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Flash Fire
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Solar Blade
• Bitter Blade
• Shadow Claw
• Bulk Up

Ninetales @ Heat Rock
Ability: Drought
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 108 HP / 148 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Weather Ball
• Healing Wish
• Helping Hand
• Dark Pulse

I experiment a bit

but i usually dont do that well

[random wagon]

looks pretty solid, would recommend knock over helping hand on incin (or drop flare blitz for helping hand if u want), amoonguss should always have protect imo so remove pollen puff or sludge bomb, up to u

flutter can realistically drop perish song for something like icy wind or power gem, psong isnt the most useful

also idk how much iron hands is really helping here, especially without heavy slam to destroy flutter (volt switch is really unecessary)

also this looks a lot like this team: https://pokepast.es/ac54f114d03ec011

actually its the same LMAO

please dont submit teams in this channel that arent your own

anyways

[random wagon]

no offense but this team is really unviable

[lament scroll]

yeah

[random wagon]

you have conflicting weathers which is always a bad sign

[lament scroll]

i dont have much experience

well i try to choose a weather based on the other team

[random wagon]

i recommend using samples to get started instead of building your own

the smogon samples are kinda outdated though so i wouldnt pick up those

[lament scroll]

is rain or sun generally a better weather to build a team around?

[random wagon]

you can probably check this website for samples: https://cut-explorer.stalruth.dev/2024

[random wagon]

i think rn they both do solid

i personally enjoy rain bc urshifu-r is really good + archaludon is fun to play around with

but sun does well as well with great abusers like flutter, bolt, chiyu, etc

[lament scroll]

also what's the best way to deal with rillaboom and incineroar? they're literally all over the place

[random wagon]

you kinda just play around them

grass resists are abundant

+pokemon that hit grass supereffective also are

[lament scroll]

ice spinner for rillaboom?

[random wagon]

candidates like chien pao, sludge bomb lando, tornauds, hogerpon come to mind

[random wagon]

yeah that works

and incineroar is also really weak to likely the best pokemon, urshifu-r

but they are pokemon that you learn to play around as you play more for sure

btw this should probably be the best spot for samples atm https://victoryroad.pro/sv-rental-teams-reg-set-f/

[lament scroll]

thx

[random wagon]

no problem

if u have further questions feel free to dm me

[hardy mountain]

yea idrc that its not mine, im thinking about playing it in london since i cant really teambuild yet, i heard the flutter mane uses perish song and its a standard set because of dondozo, what should i replace instead of iron hands?

[hardy mountain]

i wanna get better at teambuilding but i got recommended that for a beginner i should just copy other teams/tweak or change them a bit and overtime i should start making my own teams

[random wagon]

not 100% sure can prob keep hands if it works but if it feels iffy then probs just slap on lando

[random wagon]

yeah just dont put teams here that arent your own

[hardy mountain]

ye ill try not to, sorry, was just wondering since i dont have a team chosen yet

i just have 1 more question

[random wagon]

go ahead

[hardy mountain]

do you think perish song would be viable in any way in this format? and i dont mean on flutter mane but i mean perish song as a strategy, with shadow tag

[random wagon]

i mean it can work but it probably stinks

the power level is just too high

especially with urshifu hitting through protect

[hardy mountain]

alright, thanks alot!

[wispy spruce]

https://pokepast.es/66528f915170d15e opinions?

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[random wagon]

imo this team is just all over the place

you have double redirection yet no viable set up

gouging fire is super random too

although that feels like it might be the center piece of the team maybe?

alolatales also is pretty buns unless building a dedicated snow team (which is niche in its own right)

this kinda feels akin to the utretch special event winning team with alolatales, bolt, and lando?

i'll try and keep the alolatales here so these are changes i suggest, starting with dropping maus and gouging fire (maushold sucks and fire doesnt really fit here) and replace them with incineroar and urshifu-r or ogerpon-w or rillaboom

lando should probs be timid (you dont have enough speed control to warrant modest imo)

alolatales looks good but synthesis should be dropped for rage powder on amoonguss

bolt should realistically be calm mind / tclap / dpulse / protect / tera fairy + lefties / goggles on this build IMO

screens + redirection + fake out spells greatness for cm bolt

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/a08fa7d9f50fee87 is this team good?

[viscid knoll]

my biggest weakness atm seems to be Farigaraf and Trick Room teams in general, but especially him because of Armor Tail stopping Murkrow from taunting

[viscid knoll]

I also need to put back Muddy water on Bellibolt so thatit can at least do something vs ground types even if it's not wrecking them

[rigid ore]

Where do I go from here?

I’m so lost, genuinely, I’ve just decided to make something based off the meta. The core of Flutter, Urshi, Incin, & Rilla instantly won me nearly all games besides a sun team (which is why I added Torn). Still learning interactions, sets, literally everything, etc. since I’m new, so just looking for guidance and deffo advice on this team. Ty

[viscid knoll]

If you’re looking for help completing a team you go to the general channels bc this one isn’t meant for that

[rigid ore]

Well then

Rate my team I guess lol

[lilac glen]

give torn focus sash

[unborn silo]

https://pokepast.es/60a95a595b8a285b

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[unborn silo]

I try to building fire water and grass core

[rigid ore]

That much better?

[lilac glen]

if ur running cover cloak u dont run protect

[rigid ore]

Really?

[lilac glen]

and ur torn is oretty frail

frail

[rigid ore]

Agreed

I see

Well thank ya

I’ll try that now

looking better?

[lilac glen]

might want to keep ur old ev

s

it allow u to survive sash urshifu ss

[rigid ore]

Does it?

[lilac glen]

ye

[rigid ore]

Oh dang

I got 1-shot both of the two times I’ve brought it so far by Thunder so I guess I was lazered in on “dang he squishy”

I’ll do that, thanks!

[rigid ore]

I know I’m newer, but Scarf on Ursh is miles clear IMO. Also, why go Amoongus & Rillaboom?

[spiral cosmos]

Amoongus is anti TR, Rillaboom provides both an oger awnser, good bulk and prio with both fake out + grassy glide

[unborn silo]

I also can’t find a good redirector

[spiral cosmos]

Pon, Moongus and sometimes indeedee

You also have double fake out o

[rigid ore]

Farigiraf looks pretty annoying for that team tho

[spiral cosmos]

I think you're fine

You dont have anything to combat fakeout actually

[rigid ore]

How does he deal with Farig

[spiral cosmos]

Rillaboom u-turn and making incin protect -> knock off

[rigid ore]

Well Trick Room maybe goes up in that situation and partners are present. What would happen if there was a faster threat next to Farig or something

Not tryna step on toes, just trying to think lol sorry

[viscid knoll]

https://pokepast.es/e7d5ce9058233693 I wanna maximize the strangth of a team built around Bellibolt

atm Farigiraf with trick room is the bane of my existence

[rigid ore]

Dude I SWEAR I just played you on ladder

[viscid knoll]

you probably did

[rigid ore]

I think I only had four Pkmn at that point

Lololol wassup

[viscid knoll]

did you have ninetales and sandslash

[rigid ore]

That Bellibolt had me on the ropes ngl

[rigid ore]

No I had Torn Incin Rilla Flutter

[viscid knoll]

ah ok

[spiral cosmos]

Do you know how little that narrows it down

[rigid ore]

I know I know

But it was just those 4

And I’m ranked stupid low rn so the good ’mons are more rare than higher rates lol

[viscid knoll]

every team I'm up against has what are probably meta pokemon

[rigid ore]

I’ve seen a Flutter Mane & Urshifu W in all but like 2 games

So word

[pearl valley]

I don’t necessarily need someone helping me with teambuilding, i just need someone telling me which mons to bring and what i should look out for

[viscid knoll]

Flutter Man is fortunately swiftly dealt with by rain liquidate from Barraskewda

[rigid ore]

Dude I ripped Grassy Glide OHKO Barraskewda & Moonblast into Pelipper

Ended that turn with a red health Rilla but a dead Barra and a 1/3 health Pelipper for the opp

Or maybe 50%

I don’t quite remember

[viscid knoll]

now to wait for someone way better than me to tell me how to make the team even better

[rigid ore]

Lmao same

[spiral cosmos]

Whos using barraskewda in vgc

[rigid ore]

I tried to memeteam it

It’s not the worst thing ever tbh

[spiral cosmos]

You must be on the bo1 ladder

[rigid ore]

Scarfaskewda outspeeds everyone and their mother

I got a few 1400+ wins w it in Bo3 before I scrapped it at least

[spiral cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/a72c9ea43a2be3f2

Anyways i need help with my team

[rigid ore]

The rest of the team was great too tho so idk how much is attributed to Barra

[random wagon]

whims and typhlosion dont belong

[rigid ore]

Isn’t that just Aaron Traylor & Wolfe Glick’s team

[random wagon]

if you want to run koal and ursa and deedee commit to the htr

[spiral cosmos]

?

[rigid ore]

Or like a pkmn or 2 off

Oh nah Idk who I saw instead of Indeedee

I’m too cooked

[spiral cosmos]

Do you mean the one he just won grand challrnge with

[random wagon]

just plop in lilligant-h and filler (amoonguss, armarouge, gallade

and u should be fine

[viscid knoll]

I was referring to my own team there

[spiral cosmos]

Originally i wanted to build around typhlosion. Those 3 are just here for the sake of flexibility and so that i have a proper trickroom mode

I have a few mons i really wanna use actually

[random wagon]

yeah no at that point go htr

[spiral cosmos]

Aw poo

Well i dont wanna do that so id rather just scrap the team

[rigid ore]

Just restart at Typh

Go Torn Sunny or smth

[spiral cosmos]

Theres like 5 other better mons i wanna build it doesnt have to be typh

[random wagon]

i mean if u want to use typh i would def stick with the sun idea

although its power level is probs too weak to seriously work

[rigid ore]

Wht else you want to build with

Would love to run some matches at some point in the future if ur game

[spiral cosmos]

Liligant, Sneasler, Gambit, RM, Ghold

Dnite

Garchomp

I wouldnt even be against trying Zoroark

[lament scroll]

saw wolfey's new video, looks like it needs a lot of careful planning to actually pull it off

[spiral cosmos]

Thats why i wanna try it

https://tenor.com/view/kraid-samus-metroid-metroid-dread-lion-gif-3665180798431418891

[lament scroll]

for some reason im thinking of raging bolt being unable to do supereffective damage on rillaboom

what do you think of cetitan?

[viscid knoll]

Also Grass Types are not easy to out because the only stab super effective I have is Pelipper Hurricane

[lament scroll]

i hate trick room in general

i sometimes run cresselia just to turn off trick room, do a little damage, and run some support moves

[viscid knoll]

I have Murkrow who would deal with every single other Trick Room setter, but Farigiraf happens to be the most common and the one who turns Prankster against Murkrow

[lament scroll]

dumb idea but skill swap it to temporarily get rid of prankster?

[viscid knoll]

that'd take too many moves no?

[lament scroll]

true

[spiral cosmos]

I dont

[random wagon]

no offense but this team is completely unviable

this team is actively hindering your play imo

i suggest looking at samples and learning the meta before building around stupid pokemon like bellibolt

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/1435c4e4f5b65de9

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[sleek laurel]

YO I’M A FUCKING MORON

Run U-Turn over Detect on Urshifu

I completely

LMFAO sorry dude

[random wagon]

solid team, u are missing 4 evs on lando tho

[lament scroll]

is it a bad thing to build a team around one specific strategy?

[urban steeple]

I actually noticed that and i was asking me why it had detect

Also is choice scarf necessary on urshifu? Because amoonguss is very annoying with rage powder and I thought if i should give it safety goggles

[viscid knoll]

Is the core idea just bad or did I make it a lot worse with teambuilding (or both)

[random wagon]

kinda both

i mean only one of your mons are remotely viable (lando-t) and it is using an unviable set at that

this feels more like a singles team than a vgc team tbh

[random wagon]

no that's relatively common to do

look at rain or sun

[sleek laurel]

It isn’t, but it’s very helpful for your fast mode

As it makes Ursh less dependant on Tailwind and therefore allows your Torn to often just go for Rain Dance

But you can test both

If you do drop Scarf, then keep Detect tho LMAO (we don’t talk abt that)

sorry for interrupting Pengu, continue what you were doing

[viscid knoll]

What set would be better for it

[urban steeple]

ok thanks

[random wagon]

scarf or band

and they both dont fit on the team

i suggest playing with samples to learn the format and common sets before trying to build around shitmons like bellibolt

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/d6e149ce995a95ee need some opinions

[pearl valley]

Reg G isnt even a playable format right now

[fiery plinth]

ik I'm playing with my friends obviously

[pearl valley]

This channel is for competitive rates iirc

[fiery plinth]

you're kinda the only one who's saying that I posted teams from different regs and we're still rated just fine, I don't see the issue here

[rigid ore]

Reg F meta slave team bc idk where else to go. Thoughts?

[spiral cosmos]

No thoughts to really be had on this besides like, maybe changing ur EV's a little

[rigid ore]

Which ones?

I’m getting practice and planning on tweaking on things I see fit, surviving specific attacks and whatnot

[spiral cosmos]

None in particular just experimenting and optimizing based around what you want

[rigid ore]

Yh

I got a tip to change out Icy Wind for Taunt on Flutter

So I think I have most of what I can cover on the surface covered

[spiral cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/258a5e61c5c613cd trying stuff with lilligant and made a tailroom team

Not heavily confident in it though tbh

[rigid ore]

The Tailwind part looks strong

[spiral cosmos]

I could probably make farig the imprison set and commit to tailwind

[rigid ore]

That could work

Hands is also ridiculous

[fiery plinth]

seems fine but the farig seems really random, like nothing on your benefits from it a lot in fact it feels like anti-synergy with scarf urshifu and booster flutter, I recommend switching it with something else that can abuse rain like lando or arch and if you wanna keep at least turn urshifu mystic water set so it can somewhat benfit from trickroom (even if it works on tailwind just fine)

[rigid ore]

Could work in and out of TR, so maybe just something besides Farig and have a punish mode 🤷‍♂️

[rigid ore]

I’m so weak against TR without Farig, that’s my thing

And it’s chunky, so I can just sit in for a bit and deny while I widdle down TR threats. So even if it does eventually go up, I’ve gained more ground than I’d lose

[spiral cosmos]

Thats probably why someone said put taunt on flutter

[fiery plinth]

ye i can see it but if you're struggling with it throw taunt on fluttermane instead of icy wind, you have tailwind and fake out support so you're team isn't by any means slow

[rigid ore]

Agreed, but doesn’t patch even half the holes that Farig would leave so idk where else I’d look

Cuz it’s man purpose is imprison & shut down other Farig & TR pkmn

Cuz I think outside of that I have a great mu into a lot

Who would I throw in instead of Farig? And how would I need to approach TR without it?

I assume Flutter w Taunt but Follow Me on Indeedee or something would run my pockets