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[novel kelp]

Looks good, but where's your second restricted Pokémon?

[visual pelican]

I swear I tried everything, I thought a lot about Lunala, or Arceus with some type other than a fairy, but it doesn't seem to fit

[novel kelp]

Lunala would make your team really weak to dark types

Maybe Koraidon(??

As a good Mon in both TR and tailwind

[burnt surge]

why not Calyrex-I instead of Calyrex-S

if you want to build in Trick Room

[novel kelp]

I thought that

[visual pelican]

but what would I do with the sun of koraidon?

[novel kelp]

But maybe he doesn't want tr to be that hard

[visual pelican]

security. I'm really bad with vgc

[burnt surge]

what's greedent's speed stat

[drifting onyx]

Greedent (Gen 9)

Typing

Normal

Abilities

0: Cheek Pouch | H: Gluttony

Base Stats (BST: 460)

120 / 95 / 95 / 55 / 75 / 20

Weight

6 kg (20 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[burnt surge]

20

it definitely wants trick room

[visual pelican]

I'm afraid of clicking wrong so I chose it because it's faster and matches psychic terrain

[novel kelp]

Maybe if he switches to Calyice and switches whimsicott for Amoongus

[visual pelican]

lol

[novel kelp]

Idk, maybe replace the Urshifu by something like flutter

[visual pelican]

Calyrex ice was on my mind, but like, I would throw the greedent away for that

[burnt surge]

why can't you have both

[visual pelican]

because I built on top of greedent, if I put calyrex-I who will win the game will be him

lol

It's the same logic I said, no explanation from the team, why use greedent if there is ursaluna?

[novel kelp]

You could start with one and use the other one as a finisher

[visual pelican]

good idea

[novel kelp]

Greedent could be good in first turns with sword dance pressure

[burnt surge]

so you would rather kneecap Greedent by not including a second Trick Room Pokemon than help it by having another reason to set up Trick Room?

I don't follow

[novel kelp]

And with tr Calyice is a great finisher

[visual pelican]

Oh, I understand what you mean now.

Are you telling Calyrex to put the trick room?

[burnt surge]

Calyrex-I is very good at setting Trick Room, yes

[novel kelp]

A secondary trick room setter is nice

[burnt surge]

couple other things

your back half of your team is more synergistic with Caly-S than Caly I

[novel kelp]

Yeah that's right

[visual pelican]

But then what do I do? Do I turn the team into a hard trick room? I practically only have physical Pokémon, if a Zamazente appears or I'm screwed

[burnt surge]

so we're probably going to have to rethink the Pokemon here

[burnt surge]

Your main Pokemon has base 20 Speed

it can only function in Trick room

[novel kelp]

You could run choice scarf chi yu instead of Urshifu if Zama scares you

[visual pelican]

can urshifu threaten zamazenta?

[burnt surge]

chi-yu threatens zamazenta more

[novel kelp]

Well, he can, but chi yu is his best counter by far

[novel kelp]

Exactly

[visual pelican]

Yes, you're right, but what do you propose? Remove whimsicott

?

[novel kelp]

Yes

And add something like Amoongus

[burnt surge]

spoiler, I'm going to tell you to remove all of urshifu, whimsicott, and rillaboom

and honestly I don't think Indeedee-F is that helpful here but we can keep it for now

[novel kelp]

I think indeedee is okay

[visual pelican]

lol, and I would ask if for a first team being a noob in vgc I had built well at least

[visual pelican]

indeed its literaly perfect for this

[burnt surge]

so Caly-I is commonly paired with one of 3 restricted Pokemon

Miraidon, Magearna, and Kyogre

[novel kelp]

It's a pretty decent team if it's your first one

[visual pelican]

but why indeed is it not good?

[novel kelp]

But needs some work

[burnt surge]

You've chosen good Pokemon, but they go in different directions (Greedent wants hard Trick Room, but Caly-S is a fast offensive Pokemon that wants offensive support)

[burnt surge]

I just think it's kinda eh in Reg J

[visual pelican]

It's strange that Miraidon was on this team before I tested him, but I didn't use him very well except to take ground, and on this team I was seriously thinking about Magearna because of the trick room

[novel kelp]

Magearna is pretty good

[visual pelican]

thank you for trying to improve my self-esteem

[novel kelp]

Nah, I mean my first teams were much worse than that

[visual pelican]

ok I'm already changing everything

[burnt surge]

Remind me what your Pokemon are again currently?

[visual pelican]

greedent, indeed, calyshadow, miraidon magearna kyogre

[burnt surge]

oh you've put all of miraidon, magearna, and kyogre

[visual pelican]

was that what you said no?

[burnt surge]

I must have misexplained

[visual pelican]

I didn't pay attention

[burnt surge]

so in reg j, you can only have 2 restricted Pokemon

[visual pelican]

my bad

[burnt surge]

caly i, miraidon, magearna, and kyogre are all restricted pokemon

[visual pelican]

you said that caly ice matches the pokemons i took

[burnt surge]

so if you have caly i, you can only use one of magearna, miraidon, or kyogre

[visual pelican]

miraidon magearna and kyogre

[burnt surge]

so you'd have to pick one of the three

[novel kelp]

I think the best restricted options would be Calyice and Magearna for now. Miraidon is terrible for your team, and Kyogre isn't like the best pick

[burnt surge]

I agree

[visual pelican]

Can you put 2 mythical and 2 restricted ones?

[novel kelp]

Nope

[burnt surge]

all mythical pokemon are restricted pokemon

[novel kelp]

Mythicals are restricted

[visual pelican]

hmm ok

Well, if I had to choose one of these 3, I would choose Magearna.

I haven't seen many fairy arceus yet, but it still worries me.

[novel kelp]

Ok, so for now you have Magearna, Calyice and indeede, am I right?

[burnt surge]

and greedent

[visual pelican]

and I was already planning to put her on the team because of the trick room, I thought she could benefit from it.

[novel kelp]

Most of the Arceus are just base form so don't worry about specific ones

[visual pelican]

ok greedent and magearna

[novel kelp]

Yeah, and her ability makes a brutal synergy with CalyIce

[visual pelican]

greedent megearna and calyice

?

@burnt surge

[novel kelp]

That's the most solid set

[burnt surge]

ok

[novel kelp]

The rest of the team try Pokémon that are good in trick room and cover your main weaknesses

[burnt surge]

yep

currently we're a tad weak into a ton of restricted Pokemon

[visual pelican]

So do you really recommend a hard trick room?

[novel kelp]

I will sleep well knowing I helped someone to play with greedent🔥

[burnt surge]

yes

[novel kelp]

Totally

[visual pelican]

Hi, I'll try to do something about these 3. I'll be back soon.

[visual pelican]

Do you have any place where I can get usage stats information? Pikanalitycs is still only with REG I

[burnt surge]

Use Munchstats

Pikalytics sucks

and doesn't have Tera types

[visual pelican]

nice ty

[pearl valley]

labmaus is better imo

[burnt surge]

they serve you different data

munchstats gives you ladder data, which is better for finding ev spreads

labmaus doesn't have that because it only does tour stuff

[visual pelican]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2450700279-t5ih5kg7dqy1t7gui7g4nlrmtxagfe8pw i think its bad @burnt surge @novel kelp

[burnt surge]

I mean you won

there was just some suboptimal play

[visual pelican]

Is the team good now? What was the not ideal play?

[burnt surge]

It was more so that since they had set rain, Torkoal didn't need to stay in

[visual pelican]

which turn?

[burnt surge]

turn 2

[visual pelican]

It's like I said, I'm really bad, I didn't know Tornadus would use rain dance

[burnt surge]

don't worry, that comes with experience

if you post your new team here, someone else who knows VGC better can try and help you

[visual pelican]

Did this new team turn out bad?

[burnt surge]

I don't see your new team

do you have a paste of it?

[visual pelican]

https://pokepast.es/85d4f4444410175c

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[visual pelican]

my bad for take a long time

[burnt surge]

no worries, I'm busy as well

someone else will be able to help you

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/fee679d870b9a87e looking for something to replace primarina, I found that I'm not using espeed on dnite at all so I wanted to swap it for haze which is one of primarina's main jobs

it also feels too slow in general

[nova spindle]

https://pokepast.es/00796c3b9474e6be how can i make this better the only thing im considering dropping is shiftry and i can explain roles if needed its ment to be a reg H version of the chien pow dnite thing
i need redirection and and way to deal with waters

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[novel kelp]

Knock off>throat chop in Weavile, Aqua Jet is just useless when you have espeed in Dragonite, Leer in Grafaiai? aren't any better stats-lowering moves?

[nova spindle]

leer dropping both mons defense just helps get one shot i just acts like chien pow with each mon

[novel kelp]

Didn't remember it affects both targets

[nova spindle]

the other thing i did was drop shiftry for hydraigon

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/66eadf504a0f49ee
Can someone rate this team

[pearl valley]

what on god’s green earth is lash out for😭

you also could replace primarina for a9

[ripe turret]

it's so I can still get the OHKO on gholdengo with tera dark if they try to intimidate me

but I probably will replace it

just because it doesn't pick up the OHKO on scarf basc

or it doesn't consistently

[sleek laurel]

Lash Out vs Throat Chop is like

People run either

[ripe turret]

I mean I guess it is still a 56.25% chance

so maybe I'll keep it

[visual pelican]

https://pokepast.es/85d4f4444410175c greedent hard trick room

[drifting onyx]

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[novel kelp]

Some advice, I think you should run goggles with indeedee cause Amoonguss hard counters your team. Also adding protect to Magearna and/or Greedent cause you only have 2 mons with it. That's all I think

[visual pelican]

I didn't understand about protecting

about indeed I thought about it but I'm not falling against amoonguss at all

[novel kelp]

Maybe replace the trick room in Magearna cause 2 tr setters are enough, and high horsepower in greedent both with protect, it's more useful

[visual pelican]

The problem is that there are games that really need to be in the game, and there are games that Torkoal will have to take Magearna's place.

If I do this I will have to take all the games indeed

[novel kelp]

I mean, of course there will be games where that one move will help, but if we're talking about general consistency, Protect is far less situational. After all, you can only choose 4 moves in a Pokémon

But is just my advice, of course the decision is yours

[visual pelican]

protect me from greedent people I understand, but in the magearna it will cause me problems...

because I take indeed and calyice every game, I will be forced to give tera

because Incineroar would keep using Knock Off freely and always carry 1 with him

[novel kelp]

[visual pelican]

I was thinking about exchanging high horsepower for protect, I've been using it little

[novel kelp]

I think that's the most optimal set

[visual pelican]

This team has gotten even better, I've been winning a lot, and when I lose, it's no longer because I lack a pokemon or coverage, and Greedent is still working very well in the late game.

[knotty garnet]

https://pokepast.es/686b1408be5b2592

peepeepoopoo

[visual pelican]

@burnt surge

[burnt surge]

I'm a bit skeptical of water urshifu on a team with torkoal

[novel kelp]

Me too

[novel kelp]

But that's good

[dim sundial]

https://pokepast.es/712e349c3efd574d

New to VGC, used to do singles back in the day when I was like 15. After a few different teams this one is the only one so far that I feel like im only losing due to not playing well yet! Any feedback is appreciated!

[visual pelican]

they are being too helpful against incineroar

but I think you can exchange it for a walking wake, but the pivot it makes helps a lot

[novel kelp]

Nah, I guess you could still use him if you don't pick torkoal or TR gets frustrated

[visual pelican]

If it weren't for the modifications you helped me make, I would have lost to these simple archetypeshttps://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2451161426-k48ibokjnxnu958c043690f5vsx3ob5pw

not to mention some sweeps that greedent did in the vast majority of games

[burnt surge]

I mean that's a Reg H team in Reg J

[novel kelp]

You played well, so bad your opponent was a Wolfe wannabe in the wrong regulation

[pearl valley]

why did the politoed go for perish song again???

bro really thought he was a world champion with that failed read

[novel kelp]

Bro is nooooot Wolfe con Perish🥀 🥀

[visual pelican]

The bad thing is that these were the only replays I saved, I didn't save any of the greedent guy doing sweep if I'm not mistaken

[novel kelp]

"The greedy" fking kills me

[visual pelican]

This one is the only one I have, but it wasn't a great sweep of greedent, and I still played badly, it was one of the first matches with the team

[visual pelican]

with that team before I would have lost you can be sure of that

[burnt surge]

sure of what

[visual pelican]

that I would lose to this perish song team

[harsh canyon]

Hello im new to vgc but I made a gallade trick room team and I was wondering some improvements or changes

[burnt surge]

Do you have a Pokepaste?

[pearl valley]

didn’t know if you knew, but you can have 2 restricted mons on 1 team

[harsh canyon]

Is urshifu not restricted?

[burnt surge]

it is not, no

and incidentally completely outclasses gallade

[harsh canyon]

I mean yeaaa but I love gallade and wanna use him

[burnt surge]

You can just use it in Reg H

it's a decent choice there

you would probably keep indeedee, hatterene, ursaluna, and gallade, just drop caly and urshifu and use two more non-legendary Pokemon

[pearl valley]

preferably replacing them with h-lilligant and torkoal

[harsh canyon]

Bet ill try it

[lost coral]

Can someone rate this team that I am planning to use in the Grand Challenge 2 event this weekend: https://pokepast.es/424e9817e490858f

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lost coral]

Okay here is the same team but slightly modified: https://pokepast.es/249c85347db81cb8

[unborn pier]

How does one win against assault vest arch rain using sneasler balance I feel like it’s just a losing match up

[ripe turret]

send your team

[unborn pier]

https://pokepast.es/335df2a850a88dbb

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[unborn pier]

The one I’m struggling with

However I do have this one that does well into it https://pokepast.es/13a88cf434f29ec7

[unborn pier]

Bumping

[ripe turret]

try electabuzz over magmar here

you just need to preserve your sneasler and not let arch get too many boosts

[unborn pier]

What set would u recommend? E-web for this team to try and slow ppl down or just stick w the t bolt?

[ripe turret]

eweb prob

having a little speed control can go a really long way

[unborn pier]

Yea I’ll try it

[dim sundial]

I think ive finally finihsed my team im bringing to GC, any thoughts or times, just got really into VGC about a week ago! Thanks!

[pearl valley]

this is just literally the 4th place stuttgart team

[pearl valley]

I dont have much complaints, but i think you could slot struggle bug onto volcarona and invest a little more into bulk

[dim sundial]

replace protect with struggle?

[dim sundial]

I could replace willo but I just dont want to rely just on the 30% to burn garchomp/rilla/sneasler

[pearl valley]

struggle bug over fiery dance

[dim sundial]

so go for full support, I think I can try that

I have my speed where its at to outspeed garchomp, would you recommend I take out of that and spa and put that into my defenses? most spdef?

[pearl valley]

Wont outspeed 252 jolly chomp

[dim sundial]

I do outspeed adament tho, since I dont do both would it be worth it to just take it down to like 100-120 spe and toss that into spd?

[pearl valley]

most common is jolly

[dim sundial]

fair enough, thanks for your imput!

[pearl valley]

and double power stomping tantrum does around 90%

[dim sundial]

should I lose all my speed? I see if I hit 132 I outspeed banded dnite but thats so uncommon I dont think thats worth

[pearl valley]

you are slower than gholdengo without the speed

but you should lower it a little bit

or maybe you could go a spdef increasing nature

or a defense one

[dim sundial]

Yeah it’s in a weird spot

I’ll toy with it, I can outspeed and sb and make it hit a little less hard

[sturdy pecan]

https://pokepast.es/8e91c3cbb57d3bdf

can smn help me with this its meant to be hard tr team but i need more coverage and stuff and idk what mons to use or not

[drifting onyx]

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[sturdy pecan]

i made this in a rush

[ripe turret]

do not go full support volc 💀

you need at least one move that can deal damage

[ripe turret]

overheat is the most common one on these volc sets

you should also try to fit in roost somewhere on corviknight

over protect would be my suggestion

[ripe turret]

heat wave over lava plume on tork and protect/sludge bomb over giga drain on amoong

[severe gull]

Regulation j https://pokepast.es/cbde78aa7ac75598 the team feels strong but i feel like raichu and somewhat hitmontop are the ones gluing the team together

[sturdy pecan]

thats it alr and also i put lava plume for flash fire but il switch to heat wave

[severe gull]

And whether to keep indeedee or miraidon

Or both

[ripe turret]

definitely don’t run indeedee+mirai together

[severe gull]

I still need an electric type other than raichu

[ripe turret]

csr and mirai are also a weird restricted pairing

[severe gull]

Cuz most people wont expect a grass knot raichu so a lightning rod boosted grassknot with tera can one tap groudon

Plus electro web is good for speed control, and volt switch for repositioning and fake out is obvious

[ripe turret]

you can’t really fit discharge here, you need volt switch

on mirai

[severe gull]

I still need a way of doing electric damage with miraidon while raichu is on the field at the same time

[dim sundial]

And use roost as a pseudo protect if the time is right?

[sturdy pecan]

https://pokepast.es/4213baebe6ac712a

is farig good here

or do i swap it out

[pearl valley]

also this team might not be prepared for all the weird stuff youll see in the gc

you could also consider gholdengo ofc

my suggestion would be to run taunt on 1 pokemon

[pearl valley]

fake out on psychic terrain is just bad

[sturdy pecan]

i dont lead with both ever

[pearl valley]

so

[sturdy pecan]

so ive never encountered that

but yea

ill fchange

what move tho

[pearl valley]

foul play

[sturdy pecan]

ok

ty

[pearl valley]

Because you literally cant attack with your current set

[sturdy pecan]

do i remove farig

or keep

and do i change any other moves o tera

[pearl valley]

remove, you have indeedee already

[sturdy pecan]

which mon udner it

[pearl valley]

maybe a physical attacker?

[sturdy pecan]

ursa?

[pearl valley]

also covert cloak on urshifu isn’t that great

[sturdy pecan]

cuz magerna and calyrex ice teams lowk annpoying under tr

so if i have a tr mon

who can cover both

[pearl valley]

• psychic terrain blocks aqua jet

you can keep farigiraf

but replace indeedee f

[sturdy pecan]

idk i wanna repalce cuz i never rly use

[sturdy pecan]

oh

ok

but then my caly cant expand force

[pearl valley]

psychic is ther

there*

[sturdy pecan]

alr

what should i use over covert

[pearl valley]

As for the regulation h team i think kingambit could be replaced

[sturdy pecan]

alr ill change

[pearl valley]

sash or scarf(if you want full offense and speed go scarf)

[sturdy pecan]

ill scarf it

cuz sash on dakrai

and sash is rly useful on it

[pearl valley]

then again, you could go wide lens on darkrai but don’t be surprised if someone tells you your home adress

[sturdy pecan]

😭

so if i use wide lens+gravity

does it become like 88 acruate

[pearl valley]

yeah it becomes 92% accurate

[sturdy pecan]

thats good but sash helps it form getting turn 1 koed

so i can get a dark void off atleast

once

[ripe turret]

I mean, I guess

it mostly just allows it to utilize its natural bulk way better

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/7efac1d26e08d1f7
How would you rate this team

[ripe turret]

looks good

idt you need tera grass on bax so I'd change that to water

or fairy

[burnt surge]

If you're Sash Ninetales you may want Tera Ghost

[ripe turret]

oh yeah and that

[visual pelican]

cool and it was similar to the greedy time I had done, a sign that I followed the right path I think

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/889cc123102ef98d bringing this to a local tonight, how is it

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sleek laurel]

Looks fine I think

Maybe Adamant Sneasler

Especially since it’s Unburden, and especially with Lash Out

Wait

[sleek laurel]

When you said this

Were you talking about Jolly or Adamant?

Because if this was a Jolly calc then Adamant Lash Out is probably just an excellent solution

Sneasler is also naturally really fast and you have Tailwind and you have Icy Wind

[misty tapir]

https://pokepast.es/08e10e8c0ea8f7b7 How is this team?

[ripe turret]

yeah it was jolly

I do like outspeeding maus but yeah I’ll try changing it

also

do you think encore or disable would be better on atales

I haven’t really used it before

[sleek laurel]

Both work

I like Encore tho because no Encore on Dnite

Because Haze

[safe imp]

protect trap

is good

[misty tapir]

https://pokepast.es/a254ec6d14323c32

[pearl valley]

first of all for scarf ape you want drain punch/cc shadow claw final gambit and u-turn which i think it gets

and much more attack

[misty tapir]

Alright

[burnt surge]

If you're using Scarf Annihilape you probably want it to support something that can take advantage of a 1v1 situation

[misty tapir]

What could I do to have it be supportive to that moveset?

[ripe turret]

ok thx

[burnt surge]

So Scarf Annihilape is pretty solid alongside Trick Room setters because it can use Final Gambit

[ripe turret]

ape needs to be max HP and max speed with CC shadow claw final gambit and u-turn

max hp ensures the final gambit KOs as many mons as possible

[misty tapir]

Alright

So final Gambit doesnt have to KO Ape?

[ripe turret]

no

because it KOs you

and deals damage equal to your health

so having as much health as possible makes it deal as much damage as possible

[misty tapir]

So Ape will die automatically when its used

[ripe turret]

yeah

but it basically forces a trade

that’s kind of its main draw

so it allows your partner to do whatever they want basically

because it’s a lot harder to get KO’d by one attack than two

you also have two life orbs

[misty tapir]

Alright

But then what is the purpose of its other moves

[ripe turret]

they don’t really have a purpose

you just click them if you don’t want to final gambit

[misty tapir]

Alright

I just dont wait to constantly KO Ape

[ripe turret]

you can also run a leftovers set

just keep the moves and EVs and swap the item

[misty tapir]

Okay

[unborn pier]

? I didn’t know that tbh I made one with some help from some other ppl using all of those mons but it was dnite tail wind and I didn’t like having one atk on it so I swapped for e speed and I was just trying out thunderbolt buzz instead of e-webs and enjoyed the ohkos and 2HKO’s into pelipper and talon flame

[worldly cypress]

Little Boy (Miraidon) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Hadron Engine
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

• Electro Drift
• Dazzling Gleam
• Solar Beam
• Volt Switch

Fat Man (Koraidon) @ Choice Band
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Iron Head
• Close Combat
• U-turn
• Flare Blitz

Tinkerbell (Flutter Mane) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Moonblast
• Icy Wind
• Hyper Voice

Rage Baiter (Amoonguss) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 SpD
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Pollen Puff
• Spore
• Clear Smog
• Rage Powder

Beyblade (Hitmontop) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 156 SpD / 100 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Wide Guard
• Fake Out
• Helping Hand
• Low Kick

Shaquille O'Neal (Iron Hands) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 76 HP / 180 Atk / 12 Def / 236 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Fake Out
• Drain Punch
• Wild Charge
• Iron Head

(Im not good at doing EVs spread sooo maybe give me advice on that, anyone?)
This is a team where I started debating whether I should have Miraidon or Koraidon so I decided to have both HAHAHAHA
Scarf Fluttermane for Icy Wind
I picked Hitmontop over Inceneroar because of Wide guard countering a lot of people who love spamming and forcing them to use solo moves which ince cant do.
Its a team that can beat a lot of team archetypes. What do yall think though?

[light crystal]

https://pokepast.es/e19a8404948c670d

[drifting onyx]

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[lost coral]

Okay how would you all rate this team for upcoming GC:https://pokepast.es/249c85347db81cb8

[drifting onyx]

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[unborn pier]

Man I don’t know what I’m doing wrong, I climbed up to 1400 elo yesterday and just got on a losing streak back down to 1150

[ripe turret]

don’t play when tilted

if you lose a couple in a row just stop playing

[ripe turret]

looks good as far as I can tell

[pearl valley]

team gets bodied by toxic orb endure tatsugiri dondozo and costar flamigo, 0/10

nah jk but its a good team

it may not be ready for the gimmick teams

[sturdy pecan]

is there a nat dex rates channel

[sturdy pecan]

i had that for me in reg j

😭

[sturdy pecan]

how to play in gc

[torpid mason]

Yes just scroll down in #1051236342740308089

[sturdy pecan]

oh ok thx

also do you know how i can join the grand challenge

[unborn pier]

Yeah I took a break and calmed down and went back at it and finally started winning

[unborn pier]

Bro I’m sorry for u 😭

[unborn pier]

Of course when I’m winning a match on the grand challenge communication ends and it doesn’t get recorded as a win for me and when I lose it records it

[marsh frigate]

it already started so you can’t join this month’s

[sturdy pecan]

oh ok

[worldly cypress]

Anyone pls reply? Im genuinely curious how to tweak it😭

[pearl valley]

its generally not considered good to have both bikes on the same team

[steep mesa]

https://pokepast.es/248b31753005e5a0

This is my Reg H team, I've had a lot of success with it as of now but I wanted to know if anyone had any advice to help.

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[cinder glacier]

I

My REG J team

[ripe turret]

tera fairy on mirai, encore>light screen on whims, psychic>imprison on farig and I like AV incin here

but it looks pretty good overall

goggles incin is redundant with electric terrain so even if you don’t want to run AV incin go with helm or something

and as long as your gdon isn’t like maximum speed you already have enough to not need imprison

encore is just one of whim’ best moves

and tera fairy on mirai since you have gleam, but you can consider discharge since it is next to gdon

[forest cipher]

https://pokepast.es/e517c80083b67752

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[pearl valley]

so terapagos kinda sucks in this reg, used it and can confirm

[unborn pier]

Thoughts on a team build using primeape eviolite and quiver dance oricorio? Reg h

[unborn pier]

https://pokepast.es/6de4c73e6d5807b1
can I get help with evs, items, and Tera types pls

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[ripe turret]

oricorio is kinda trash, the only time you would really consider using it is next to volc for the double dance

and even then it’s an incredibly gimmicky strategy

[unborn pier]

lol ok yeah I figured as much what would be a good replacement for it?

[ripe turret]

probably just another offensive piece

I’m kinda blanking rn

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/62d265cf45d94780
https://pokepast.es/455853ed17b3af18
Which team is better?

[ripe turret]

first looks good

second one is a little weird

rilla sneas feels like it was kinda forced onto the team

[unique nebula]

anyone have a good team that uses decidueye for vgc

[unborn pier]

lol I get that, I’ve been blanking on it too, is tinkaton any good? Or wood gambit rilla indeedee do me better?

Something to control terrain?

[ripe turret]

I’m thinking something for kingambit

because your entire team kinda gets rolled by it

[unborn pier]

Ah Crap yeah forgot about it what about ape or sneasler?

[ripe turret]

ape is definitely stacking too many types

I was thinking like

ursa bm maybe

but idk

[unborn pier]

Oh I forgot about the ursa

[unborn pier]

There’s just so many good ghosts and it doesn’t help that it’s my favorite type😭

[ripe turret]

I think it’s just

kingambit on its own is like

already kinda hard to deal with

but if it’s next to an electabuzz

there’s literally nothing you can do

[unborn pier]

I do have the taunt prio thru whim however

But I’m sure it would get sacked t2 at least from my experience playing against it I typically just direclaw out

[ripe turret]

just in general I think the sneasler kingambit volc balance teams are like

almost unwinnable with this team as it is right now

at least on paper

[unborn pier]

No that’s fair

I don’t mind swapping things out but id like to keep whim dengo and pult mainly

I might swap out incin with harc for the rilla pressure*

[pearl valley]

there was a guy that got over 1600 with it so

[pearl valley]

ursaluna earthquake

but this team doesn’t have it

[ripe turret]

yeah that's kinda the entire point of me saying that

and still oricorio is an incredibly gimmicky mon

just because one person got 1600+ with it doesn't make it good

[pearl valley]

i mean if you teambuild around it with mons like quaquaval and volcarona

its also a gimmick team and those are hard to counter

[drifting onyx]

Hey @grand meadow, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

[dusky axle]

yoo, I was testing out sum stuff on showdown and came out with this team, I've had some fun with it.

Kyurem-White @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Turboblaze
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Blizzard
• Freeze-Dry
• Dragon Pulse
• Fusion Flare

Ninetales-Alola @ Icy Rock
Ability: Snow Warning
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Aurora Veil
• Helping Hand
• Protect
• Moonblast

Zamazenta-Crowned @ Rusted Shield
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 140 HP / 28 Atk / 180 Def / 156 Spe
Careful Nature

• Body Press
• Heavy Slam
• Wide Guard
• Crunch

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Atk / 116 Def / 100 SpD
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Fake Out
• Grassy Glide
• Wood Hammer
• U-turn

Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Coaching
• Moonblast
• Aura Sphere
• Encore

Farigiraf @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 28 SpA / 148 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Helping Hand
• Foul Play
• Psychic
• Roar

I gave Farigiraf Roar as I'm not going to use TR, and I like to have a TR answer that may also cover up some other awkward situations, like set up mons

[unborn pier]

I made some changes to it and am currently trying it out what do you think

https://pokepast.es/bd40e20abdccc7db

[broken bay]

Hey, im new to vgc formats and ive been experimenting with different teams for awhile. I think im close to what I want to run with, but I keep finding holes or im finding that pokemon just dont fit in the team:

https://pokepast.es/d544910788f37e08

Any advice on alternate mons I could use or just general advice? I like the dozo core and it carries me a lot of games, but im struggling to find good options on what to go around it

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[unborn pier]

I think overall amoongus is a better support next to dengo dengo cant get statused and amogus cant get spored meanwhile it can spore and redirector and gain health on swap out

Ur really playing with dengo and dozo while the rest are just support mons tbh

[broken bay]

amoongus over electabuz then? since I dont run speed control I was using electric web with him to slow down opponents before blasting

[unborn pier]

Yeah id run it over buzz but idk

You could run icy wind on ninetails for control

Idr if it gets it

[broken bay]

oh true

ok, I think with that advice ill try this https://pokepast.es/55232b639a0d32fd

dozo and ghol being the only attacking mons backed up by 4 supporting ones

[unborn pier]

Dozo is gonna b the back up sweepers usually

If you want a more offensive kinda set you could maybe like

Maus ape and amogus dengo as the other 4

I’ve seen that work before

[steep mesa]

https://pokepast.es/248b31753005e5a0

This is my Reg H team, I've had a lot of success with it as of now but I wanted to know if anyone had any advice to help.

[ripe turret]

it looks fine as far as I can see

[ripe turret]

flare blitz over flame charge on incin and blizzard over moonblast on atales

other than that looks fine

[steep mesa]

tyty

[hallow hill]

can somebody rate my team so far and reccomend mons to add and or adjustments? (ignore avalugg( https://pokepast.es/975ebd151bdc6e73

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[pearl valley]

well to start

youre running a sun mon with water types

[hallow hill]

whats the problem with that?

none of them have water moves

[pearl valley]

Surf on gastro and slowbro

mb just slowbro

and this team gets blasted by archaludon rain

[hallow hill]

I have the surf for storm drain

[pearl valley]

there’s just nothing you can do against it

[hallow hill]

what would you reccomend doing then

I can drop the torkoal

[pearl valley]

Your team is also unfinished

[hallow hill]

what about it

[pearl valley]

either you can build around gastro and slowbro or torkoal

[hallow hill]

gastro and slowbro

[pearl valley]

someone said unfinished teams belong it #comp-general

[hallow hill]

oh

well I posted it there then the chat died before my eyes

[ripe turret]

yeah this team kinda looks all over the place

you have no speed control despite having all slow mons

everything you’re using (with the exception of torkoal and I guess gastro) is pretty bad

gastro singlehandedly destroys arch rain so that’s not really a problem but yeah a lot of your mons are bad/have bad sets and lack synergy

[pearl valley]

cant do enough damgae

and basculegion last respects

[ripe turret]

it actually deals decent damage

and it is pretty tanky

especially with a storm drain boost

and besides you need to like

KO mons

for last respect to do anything

[pearl valley]

a good player knows how to play around storm drain

[pearl valley]

which is why it’s difficult to actually sweep a rain team with gastro

[hallow hill]

I really want a gastrodon surf team tho

[ripe turret]

yeah but the thing is

the presence of storm drain

already makes the mu way harder

like instead of thinking "you can do X to deal with Y"

it should be "what does it take to deal with Y"

because gastro basically invalidates basc as a lead, does well into arch/peli and is hard to kill/can heal

[ripe turret]

gastro is definitely usable but it needs some better partners than the ones you have right now

[hallow hill]

what would you reccomend?

as gastrodon teammates

[hallow hill]

you there?

[ripe turret]

I've mostly seen it on like

balance teams

so like

incin, rilla, sneas, gambit, dnite, etc

[hallow hill]

alr

whats a good surf mon to pair with gastrodon tho

[ripe turret]

uhhhhhhh

[hallow hill]

I cant really think of a water type move other than surf that hits all targets

[steep mesa]

primarina maybe

however u probably just want to run hyper voice instead of surf so its just a wasted ability if you got surf, you also lose the ability fo get a boost via throat spray

you could try pelliper maybe

[sturdy pecan]

https://pokepast.es/9e9ed168b011d8d6 my friend doens thvae discord and he wants advice on his rteam can smn tell em what to repalce etc

[hallow hill]

pelliper learns surf?

[hallow hill]

https://pokepast.es/fcbae04155c53b47 finished the team

[distant trellis]

This is fine I'd just be careful of the occasional lillikoal

Gastrodon is certainly an idea

Idk how I feel about it

I will say you're definitely very comfortable into the rain mirror

So that's good

[unborn pier]

I’ve seen gastro work in trick rm a lot

[hallow hill]

I was gonna use him with slowbro because of trickrroom and surf but people kept telling me slowbro is bad

[unborn pier]

Well slowbro IS bad but if you can make it work go for it it could def out speed the ursa’s under tr so u could get some play out of it

[distant trellis]

gastro is probably better lowk

actually

nah it defo is

you go from a losing matchup into archaludon and basc to a much more favourable one

[steep mesa]

yeah, if you find a way to pair it with arch too you can surf and hit urself for +1 def w/ stamina

[ripe turret]

protect>u-turn on peli, yawn>stockpile on gastro and you can try sash peli/sneas

everything else looks ok

[young rain]

https://pokepast.es/04af80a0af234dd0

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[young rain]

just looking for advice on evs

[lavish night]

that incineroar set looks evil asf

however I'd still suggest you manage your spread from hp to overall bulk from defense better

since you intend to do bo1

I think you should optimize it to calcs on lorb blursa

secondly quiver dance volc intends to be more bulky

I remember a very certain vgc player having a spread on their volc but I don't remember their name, you could probably publicly look it up, or settle for the vgc reg F 2023 volc usage since it's the more optimized one even for reg H, even if it's grassy seed you want to feel more safe against special attackers, and not feel forced to tera by a double.

Lastly, tera ground rillaboom is better than tera ghost

you can surprise knockout incin, ghold and grassy seed sneasler

its also better for some koffing dozo matchups iyk what you're doing

other than that porygon doesn't fill like he's fulfilling a purpose here unless it's to bring against TR matchups or have a more bulky switch in

I think that a better choice here would be alolan ninetales, aurora veil would bring the team a bit more together since it already has good offense, you want to setup safely, and you want to get those boost more frequently in games alot but you might not be able to as you could be lacking
optimally sufficient bulk against popular threats. Also it provides a fast icy wind which can be more beneficial but ehhhhh because you have to make that opportunity happen while for porygon2 you could js do it

another idea could be replacing tera blast for rage powder for better chances against a lead with beat up maus and annihilape, using a volc x gholdengo lead. Or settle for tera fairy tera blast and try to get aurora veil with every effort you could do

[young rain]

Ok great thank you for your suggestions!

[ripe turret]

outside of EVs this team needs some changes

run AV rilla and goggles incin

tera poison on rilla and fairy on volc

wood hammer over u-turn on rilla

and seconding the atales over p2

if you want to run AV incin go with miracle seed rilla

and for the EVs most of them can be found here https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc/

for basc specifically there are no sets, but what you have now is fine

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/fdf88e488ce1bdf0 I literally cannot beat volc

any suggestions

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[jovial creek]

What kind of volc

Are they running cloak qd

[ripe turret]

yeah cloak tera fairy

[jovial creek]

Maybe go fake out sneasler and play with changing incin or rilla

Would let you go sneasler dnite lead

[ripe turret]

k

do you think harc over incin is a good idea

also I was kinda messing with the sets a little

ghold is supposed to have shadow ball

[jovial creek]

I dont hate that

[ripe turret]

how do you build harc

there isn't a set on smogon

and I've personally never used it before

[potent lion]

https://pokepast.es/7451215762ef7149 sorta rusty to reg h. only did it for a bit the first time it was around. tryna make a decent rain team

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[potent lion]

also need a 6th

[jovial creek]

I think clam or band

[undone zodiac]

https://pokepast.es/748bdd8063f26a3d

for reg H. i know its not super competitive but i wanted to do something cool with physical serperior

[pearl valley]

https://pokepast.es/8dde3b0500a75830

[pearl valley]

this team is very all overr the place

attacking grimmsnarl?

assault vest serperior?

252+ scary face incineroar?

cloak torkoal?

and goodra hisui

[hallow hill]

https://pokepast.es/f11a8713d415ba71 somebody told me to make a team with gardevoir, does it look good at all or should I change the team a little

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[hallow hill]

I just realized I have mainly special attackers

💔

[hallow hill]

https://pokepast.es/52bdb4f4b83b2cab I changed the team a little bit

[pearl valley]

you dont need garchomp cuz you have ursa

also i think whimsicott isn’t really that good here since only garchomp (which will be removed) and gardevoir benefit from it

you could go quiet 0 speed iv

on gardevoir

and remove the sash

replacing whims i think h-lilligant works

But overall gardevoir is just a worse hatterene

[hallow hill]

so just full trickroom?

since no whimsicott meaning no tailwind

[pearl valley]

hisuian lilligant is not trick room but asides from that yea

also specs with protect is garbage

you could go eject pack with overheat eruption helping hand and protect

[hallow hill]

I dont have protect on torkoal?

nvm I have protect on torkoal...

[hallow hill]

but I think I wanna do a spec set

because funny eruption nuke

I think ima run overheat to replace my protect

[hallow hill]

would life orb work to replace focus sash?

https://pokepast.es/3adbd3877a564d37 this is starting to look pretty similar to a certain team

[potent lion]

You sure incin is the right choice. Intimidate doesn't seem the most useful when I'm already counting on muashold for stamina

[ripe turret]

incin is fine there

you can also try setup apr

ape

and run beat up maus

[pearl valley]

literally won a regional

[potent lion]

with arch maushold?

[ripe turret]

yeah that team that they sent was the team

[potent lion]

oh neat

[potent lion]

if i choose to have maus have the goggles, what other item can incin have? rocky isnt that useful in reg h is it?

[pearl valley]

theres sitrus berry

[potent lion]

then what about amongus?

is mental herb useful at all? or just cloak?

[ripe turret]

cloak tera fairy is something you can use

[potent lion]

why fairy?

[ripe turret]

solid defensive typing

[potent lion]

you think better than water?

[ripe turret]

it's usually used on cloak sets

[potent lion]

any reason the item affects the tera?

[ripe turret]

not to my knowledge

fairy helps with gambit specifically

you can also try water w/ helmet

[potent lion]

yea but then you're weak to steel

[ripe turret]

gambit doesn't run steel moves anyway

but yeah

[potent lion]

interesting

[hallow hill]

https://pokepast.es/3adbd3877a564d37 what should the last mon be

[tight adder]

https://pokepast.es/e95bbbd29d9f8586 opinions?

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[sleek laurel]

You only have one Restricted Legendary, is this for Regulation G in some way?

[pearl valley]

AV sets do

[pearl valley]

the 252 252 4 set on indeedee kinda sucks

you could spread out your evs more

and for the last mon i think gallade or armarouge could work

[ripe turret]

against AV sets you just don’t tera

mostly so you can live through any kind of boosts that it has

[pearl valley]

yeah but you don’t know if its av or black glasses

[ripe turret]

no like

the point is don’t tera unless you need to live

and if it’s already used swords dance then you know what it is

besides who plays bo1 cts

[ripe turret]

well I guess unless it’s goggles

but most gambits are trending towards glasses I think

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/e0e5fa4e8b650ad7
trying to find a 6th slot
(ev spreads on primarina and whims are kinda rushed, maus and gholdengo do meet certain calcs tho)

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[ripe turret]

try psyseed sneas

also I don’t think you particularly need whims here

or maus tbh

[lavish nexus]

i wanted whims to support maus and gholdengo while allowed indeedee to move quicker

[ripe turret]

you can try scarf indeedee

[lavish nexus]

i will always believe in maus superiority

the team was built for maus

[ripe turret]

not running follow me on maus is kinda crazy tbh

[lavish nexus]

offensive maus actually is goated

[ripe turret]

well yeah

but like

[lavish nexus]

ohkos and outspeeds so many common threats

plus ignoring sash is goated

[ripe turret]

follow me is still just a really good option to have

I’d run it over encore

er taunt I mean

same thing

[lavish nexus]

maybe?

i mean i really like how it is atm

[ripe turret]

like the thing is

[lavish nexus]

at least the maus set

[ripe turret]

whims already gets prio encore and taunt

so it feels kind of redundant

which btw why are you not running encore on whims

[lavish nexus]

terrain

[ripe turret]

yeah just replace it tbh

[lavish nexus]

whims is there to set tw and screen

[ripe turret]

if you want a tailwind setter you can use like

talonflame

[dim sundial]

this is a new team im working with, I understand that I may not be in a position to pilot a team with so many off-meta picks, but thats what I like to do!

Now that being said, this team does really well into a lot, but my worst issues are againt tr and againt rain teams. I have amoongus here so I can have a good pokemon in tr but if I swap him for rillaboom my tr matchup goes down the drain. Any insight anyone can add to help me figure this out? Thanks!

Considered picking up Cleable but I dont know who to drop

I guess if I swap amoongus for rilla and hariyama for celfable that could work, yeah?

[pearl valley]

well why not use TR yourself

you have a slow pokemon in hariyama

brave 0 spe iv speed ties ursaluna

[dim sundial]

Would this team overall benefit from removing murkrow and slowing down the team to and play more into the tr

[pearl valley]

Yes, but you could also make it a tailroom team

Without murkrow

[dim sundial]

I see, alright

I don't typically use him but I perfer him over whims for the prankster tailwind

[pearl valley]

Also i think the team could potentially benefit from removing incin

You already have a lot of physical bulk

for rain i think that torkoal could replace incin

[dim sundial]

Yeah, I recently traded a DD Gyrados for Kommo-o, so he was a fragement of a double intim

[pearl valley]

i actually like it when people post off meta teams in here, some people(i admit i’m guilty of this) just post the most meta teams or top teams that literally don’t need any improvement whatsoever and they barely add any context onto why they posted the team

another thing, kommo o is better on tailwind teams + you already have hariyama

[dim sundial]

My main 2 things are:

1: I've always liked off meta picks, doing well with them is far more rewarding for me
2: I've played pokemon for years and even had 6 months of singles 8 or so years ago, and now I want to try vgc. I know people recommend to use rentals to learn but I have a strong grip of the fundementals (at least I feel so).

also nasty plot Gholdengo was definitly stunting my ability to improve

Looking at this and few inspiration teams, I could remove hariyama since I feel like hes just not fulfilling the role I want him to and put H-decidueye here

that would bring a lot of my team up to normal tailwind and I could ev sylvion to be usable in both and drop amoongus for sinistch and incin for torkoal

would it be stupid/crazy for me to consider one of the slowbrothers as my tr setter?

[pearl valley]

the other tr setters are just better

porygon2 is bulkier

hatterene can do big damage next to indeedee-f

indeeedee-f has redirection

sinistcha can heal your allies and also redirect attacks

also slowbro has bad synergy with torkoal

[dim sundial]

I was just thinking of a FWG core

I like Tera ground p2 the most out of what I’ve used

[dim sundial]

This is where Im at, my ideas of tw are either talonflame or Corviknight

Corviknight could be something like Tailwind, Iron defense, body press, roost and can be usable in either

and talon would just be there for Gale wings

[ornate epoch]

https://pokepast.es/0151f5772c9a5c82

Here’s a team focused around Porygon-Z cause I thought it would be unique

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[lavish nexus]

if this is reg h, iron bundle is banned, if it's reg j you need two restricteds

[glacial lotus]

https://pokepast.es/5f994edd3db356f1 ive been trying rain and i wanted to see if i could improve this to have better counterplay aginst tr

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[glacial lotus]

Im getting my butt kicked by TR

[pearl valley]

Bigger issues than TR first of all

primarina isn’t great on raim

for TR you could use maushold with taunt

[pearl valley]

https://pokepast.es/a30c6d6f2a35169d i want to use my favorite pokemon, dragapult, in reg h

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[pearl valley]

thing is with the balance teams i dont like having no speed control

[pearl valley]

i did say that i didnt like people posting meta teams in here but thats because they give no context

anyways

im struggling against tr and tw teams

usually they set up tw and outspeed pult

which is bad

[tight adder]

Ahh my fault wrong one https://pokepast.es/d1abec29b9e12591 this is what I have so far (adding focus stash to whim)

[sleek laurel]

There are a few noteworthy set changes and you’d need to find a 6th but I’ll do a more thorough check on this later unless someone else picks up first

I just came back from an entire Regional, I’m dying

Sorry lol

[tight adder]

it’s fine lmao take your time

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/5cac353c939ee932 Hey how can I improve this team? I have been struggling on the pokemon ladder a lot and tbh I am close to losing it. What am I doing wrong?

[ripe turret]

miraidon and kyogre aren't a very good restricted pairing

you could just replace mirai with like

zac

and it would be fine

or ice rider ig

but then pao is kinda redundant

[sand minnow]

I don't have a way to get a Zacian of my own. 🙏
I could get a Calyrex though, even if it means doing Shield AGAIN. Any specific IVs on Caly?

[ripe turret]

pretty much just maximum for everything

you want it to have some speed so you can use it outside of TR

also there are servers where you could probably find someone to trade you a zac

[fierce flame]

https://pokepast.es/84d80467299db0e1

On this team, can I use ddance Dnite?

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[vagrant orchid]

I tried building a reg i team with ndw
https://pokepast.es/1401a1a323c678c4

[pearl valley]

rate plz ty

[true ether]

ive been trying to run a sand team that doesnt use ttar i like how this team feels but was wondering if theres anyhing i should fix/change to make it feerl better

https://pokepast.es/29558f469fd45c65

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[lavish nexus]

trying to find a 6th slot, used to be zoro but it wasn't doing much other than raw damage and illusion stuff
https://pokepast.es/ab1fa6ef8a0aec5a

[glacial lotus]

https://pokepast.es/0a341af09cbdc849

Is this a decent snow team?

[ripe turret]

protect>rock slide on exca and tera stellar>ground, indeedee doesn't have an item (would recommend scarf), tera psychic>dark on indeedee, gholdengo needs some bulk (set on smogon), haze>liquidation on prim, protect>crunch on ursa and tera ghost>fighting

btw tyranitar is far and away the best sand setter, using pretty much anything else is just nerfing yourself

but I understand the sentiment

[ripe turret]

basc is my suggestion

gives you a fast offense mode that you desperately need

also arch would definitely want bulk over speed here

[ripe turret]

I'd replace lapras with ursa-b but that's basically it

[true ether]

you said scarf on indeedee

which one

[ripe turret]

indeedee-m

the one in your team

[true ether]

no no

[ripe turret]

ohhh

[true ether]

which scarf

[ripe turret]

choice scarf

lmao

[true ether]

choice?

[ripe turret]

yeah

I would also recommend adding sneasler here somewhere

[true ether]

wait but indeedee is my support pokemon

[ripe turret]

because you already have indeedee-m

oh

oh it is

uh

if you want a support indeedee run the female version

male version is fast psyspam

I totally didn't see the EVs lol

[true ether]

i wanted to use the extra damage for expanding

T-T

is that not the move

[ripe turret]

nah

if you're not investing in spatk it doesn't really do that much anyway

and you would prefer the bulk

but actually indeedee-m and sneasler are a common pairing on sand

[ripe turret]

I don't see the benefit over just a normal tw scale shot set

[true ether]

whatt item on indeedee f

[ripe turret]

goggles or helm

[ripe turret]

I think just AV rilla here

if you're struggling with tw/tr

the added bulk lets you stall out the field conditions way better

also moonblast is like

kinda useless

on atales

imo

like why not just run encore/protect

couple other things

you can shift 4 EVs from spd to speed on incin and have a free stat point essentially

and idt you really want min speed gambit here

https://pokepast.es/3db07998e54a44d8 alright I've done enough helping, time for my own team

context, it originally started off as a rainbow + rock slide/dire claw gambling sim

it also had king's rock maus

but I got rid of it (and dipplin which idk why I even had it on the team) and replaced them with glimm and corvi and it actually feels not bad

glimm is really cool here especially, it checks a ton of stuff that I otherwise get destroyed by

but yeah I definitely want some sort of replacement for blaziken/greninja

also I made the EVs in like 2 minutes

so uh any suggestions

[royal kernel]

i dont feel like running a swamp set and a rainbow set in the same team works well

so i'd personally choose one to keep (probably rainbow since u alr have tw) and switch greninja to another mon

but if you want to keep both i think blaziken is the best option u have for fire pledge and u could swap greninja for primarina

[vagrant orchid]

Someone also rate mine

[glacial lotus]

Thats just the frankfurt team😭

Well almost

But alr

[vagrant orchid]

I just ohko urshifu with ndw i think this team might be cracked

[royal kernel]

https://pokepast.es/26861e43f2651cfa any suggestions here? on paper this team looks really good but when i play w it it feels like it doesnt work

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[ripe turret]

well yeah

I mean there’s a reason I suggested it lol

because it’s already proven itself to be a pairing that works

[ripe turret]

oops I completely missed this one

ok so ndw is mainly used on htr teams from my experience

idt you should really use it otherwise because lunala is just a better alternative

also, you have some questionable sets

ndw really wants to be able to set up TR, so specs makes it a lot more inflexible

also eq on a specs set

lando-t is also pretty bad this regulation

[broken bay]

hey all, does anyone have any recommendations for the last slot on my team? I am just finding it hard to find soemthing that fits with the rest. I tried electabuz speed cont set as a gholdengo counter, but I found that I didnt really need it for the matchup. Im trying grimmsnarl now but I am never bringing it https://pokepast.es/e441c12b6df498de. This is reg-H

I was thinking Amoongus maybe, but I already have a trickroom counter

[royal kernel]

id prob use another mon to guarantee the sun

like ninetales

[broken bay]

tried ninetales and I dont think its needed for the team, with covert cloak, whimsicott can almost always get sun up and ninetales doesnt really provide anything other than another helping hand user or a swap in to get sun up, which doesnt help any of my other mons...

[royal kernel]

can someone help me pls

[broken bay]

you could prob consolidate a tailwind setter and rain setter with peliper and go with sneasler if you want a fast phys attacker

or basculegion to take advantage of rain

unless your going perish trap theres not a whole lot of reason to go for toad

[finite acorn]

you may just have to wait a second, the vgc raters will get to your team it just might take a second because they have work and other responsabilities. It will get rated

[ripe turret]

yeah politoed is just inferior to peli here, gliscor is really bad in vgc and that annihilape set is very questionable

arch also definitely wants to be AV on a rain team

and I'd replace shadow ball and protect on sinis with trick room and life dew

[robust wasp]

https://pokepast.es/74f82eb2ff483536

reg j, any suggestions I would appreciate

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[pearl valley]

run shadow claw on ape over drain punch

[pearl valley]

speed tying ursa is good

[ripe turret]

the only situation where that would really help is against hard TR

which I guess you did say was difficult

but AV rilla should help with that a lot

[pearl valley]

i went AV gambit and grassy seed sneasler

cuz its good into tw

[ripe turret]

it's black glasses on the teamsheet

did you change it?

[pearl valley]

yeah

[ripe turret]

ah

you already have double fake out + veil though

that should probably be enough to stall out tw if you play it right

[pearl valley]

and also low kick for the beard

bears

and setup is shaky with no redirection

so i went AV

[ripe turret]

well not necessarily

you have so much damage mitigation on this team that setup is perfectly fine

like you have veil, intimidate, double fake out, and passive grassy terrain healing

setup doesn't need to have redirection

[robust wasp]

Yea I did that, realized I literally couldnt do anything calyrex shadow and lunala

[pearl valley]

AND i have coaching

[ripe turret]

yeah and you have coaching lol

but yeah that's kinda my point

[pearl valley]

main reason is i have coaching and to survive those earth powers

[ripe turret]

like ok but do you get my point

[pearl valley]

yea

but

coaching

good

[ripe turret]

yeah it can also help with setup

[pearl valley]

setup is fine i know

you know

nvm

[ripe turret]

what

[pearl valley]

acrobatics sneasler but i realized dire claw does more

bcuz like

gambit hits fairys so

and psyspam but incin walls that

[ripe turret]

I'm confused

what does any of that have to do with dire over acro

[pearl valley]

because dire claw hits harder

stab

[ripe turret]

??

no like what does gambit hitting fairies and psyspam have to do with that

[pearl valley]

dire claw and iron head both hit fairy for super effective da,age

damage

[ripe turret]

...yeah

[pearl valley]

acrobatics for sneasler psyspam

[ripe turret]

well I mean

rilla already gives you a strong answer into that

[pearl valley]

and incin

[ripe turret]

yeah

I mean I think you could still consider SD acro sneas here

because the team is very similar to others that do run it

[lavish nexus]

this gets completely walled by any multi hit move + tr setter, try run more bulk on some mons like ursa since you already have priority tw

for 6th slot, try torkoal and go more into the sun mode

[broken bay]

ty for the advice, yeah that is something ive struggled with. I feel like the team goes well into nearly anything, but ive been walled by attacks like scale shot dragonite. Im not sure about torkoal since my Indeedee is more used to shut down TR than it is to set it.

and Typhlosion is pretty much torkoal that trades defensive stats for speed

[lavish nexus]

you can use follow me lilligant over indeedee if you wanted to

gives you options inside and out of tr then

[wanton abyss]

To be clear, Lilligant does not get Follow Me

[lavish nexus]

problem with indeedee is it's so volatile, and with imprison you want it to be able to tank

[wanton abyss]

Did you mean After You?

[lavish nexus]

sorry, after you

yea

[wanton abyss]

Most sunroom teams run both

[lavish nexus]

it just depends how reliant you wanna be on weather

with the amount of ninetails going around

[wild iris]

hello gamers, i'm playing around trying to make a fully grass type team or at least mostly i got a hold of something good i believe with trickroom, but i wanted a different mode that i can switch to if you could help with which grass type pokemon or at least pokemon that look grass type can help the team that would be great(also which teras would work well) here's the poke paste link cuz i'm not auto confirmed yet https://pokepast.es/93d1e9f316181766

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[broken bay]

ty so much for the help with ursaluna, he is working so much better for my team with a defensive build and vacuum wave instead of protect. I have been trying out hydreigon as the last member and its actually incredibly solid

[pearl valley]

This team gets wrecked by sneasler

earthquake in grassy terrain also has half power

[wild iris]

WAIT ARE YOU SERIOUS???

[wild iris]

any tips to counter or should i just run a psychic move on one of my mons?

[pearl valley]

it also gets smoked by maus arch

sun etc

grass is far from the best type in reg h imo

hey i should make a monotype team

[wild iris]

maus arch? is that achaledon? Oh mousehold achaledon

that might be a problem but i think my team can handle it (watch me eat my words when i come across the pair)

if i do tho what could i use to deal with it? my arch and ohko's mouse but i need trick room to outspeed , should i bring a fake out mon to deal with mouse and 1 shot arch?

also i did update the team abit

[pearl valley]

they usually run tera ghost

[wild iris]

thought so...

https://pokepast.es/56d8d9fb6cbf8a3c

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[wild iris]

i got night shat tho, but what item do the run if it's not loaded dice?

[pearl valley]

i think you could replace ludicolo

have you considered sinistcha?

[wild iris]

now that you mention it I COULD hospitality would be great on my team i could have used it in a lot of situations in some of my testing

i'll work on it

but ludi is my weather control and one of my damage dealers

[lavish nexus]

if you wanna try it i do run maus arch, i can get on at some point

[nova spindle]

https://pokepast.es/9ab84265f9ddf7d7

looking to adapt this team to best of 3 because it has a lot of potential the 3 modes are sit lapras on the field with veil friend guard and it doesn't die but its not stat boost so you can switch in ape and beat it up to set up for endgame and it becomes something that can switch and take max 60% then pult is for late game sweeping or running through passive teams i pushed 1500 on bo1 there are some obvious changes like dropping infestation but whirlpool is good for lapras to shred mon the can deal dam to it like arch after tera or dengo or trapping freezes one of the reason i had infestation
Mrmert — 6:48 PM
the problems match ups are

sd gambit

miracle seed rilla can chunk you and then follow up with glide

and some matchup i feel like i need 2 teras but that might just be my play and leads

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[dawn bronze]

https://pokepast.es/0233e9a369d59ebc trying to build a team of my own cause i always feel uncomfy using other peoples teams anny tips appreciated

[wild iris]

i would love to run some matches to see if i can counter it

can i dm you later?

[pearl valley]

infestation sucks

[nova spindle]

@pearl valley most of the time yeah but being able to fast trap frz mons and sleeping mon make it really easy to get tempo

and it does 50% of the infested mons health

but it only helps the pace of this team

also trapping mons that cant touch lapras is really usefull

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[tight adder]

https://pokepast.es/7f57c104dac5a421 changed it quite a bit id appreciate some feedback

idrk what to get rid of for murkrow’s moveset to have foul play

[lone hamlet]

Actually rate this one instead https://pokepast.es/5b109dc4b1426a09

A better version

(with cringy names)

[lone hamlet]

Why use sunny day when have torkoal

If youre wworried itll die early, use heat rock

[ripe turret]

it gives you more control, lets you reset weather on an opposing switch

[tight adder]

that’s what i was thinking rn lol

[ripe turret]

I’ll get to this one once I have time

maybe in a couple hours or so

[lone hamlet]

A u turn or parting shot implementation could be useful in thus situation

[tight adder]

that’s perfect i have class soon