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lavish night
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yh

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and you can use TR

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psychic

grizzled prism
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Psychic surge btw, but thats obvious

supple bear
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real

lavish night
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idrk what am saying atp šŸ˜­

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let me see if I can remake the team for you

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I'll be back

supple bear
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bet bet

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we gonna make this work

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the power of teamwork

lavish night
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YEAH!!

grizzled prism
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Soo, psychic, trick room, follow me/ helping hand protect/helping hand

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You got this!!

supple bear
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man i wish other pokemon had instruct

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its such a broken move lowkey

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like ur telling me

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i can spam earthquake twicec

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just incase the first one wasnt enough

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and oranguru doesnt get hit by it either

grizzled prism
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You might need more offense, if you can't dish out damage fast enough then your bulk isn't gonna get by fast enough

supple bear
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true

grizzled prism
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So far you got PLENTY of support

supple bear
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this reminds me of my slow start cresselia trick room regigigas team i tried making

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šŸ’€

grizzled prism
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Oh I made that strategy too! It only works if you can get slow start off though

supple bear
lavish night
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@supple bear

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188 spD

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is needed to counter gholdengo

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252 hp 4 def allows you to do some absolutely wild stuff going against sneasler, which could proc your sitrus berry twice while going for dire claw or acrobatics with symbiosis oranguru. Also can survive incineroar knock off, and if they have no investment it's a 3HKO, however sun boosted flare blitz ohkos

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when sending oranguru back on the field it makes sitrus berry proc twice, and with drain punch/leech seed you can survive another 2 hits and be VERY annoying

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if it's +2 unfortunately you won't survive

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but this 2-2-2 is designed to keep up against those who set up with incredible damage output either way

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secondly you could opt for a tera dark sucker punch set to snipe the rainy basculegion

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ancient power to snipe talonflame and secondly I will always prefer choice specs over charcoal since this team can't consistently chip every mon, also it works better under TR, but I see dependencies for optimization of utilizing different moves

lavish night
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lastly this set of trevenant can be used on subvariants of dual screens with ttar and excadrill, and possibly an aurora veil centered team like Justin Tang's. Anyways, I don't think I can reference anything else atm so have fun

supple bear
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Wait so is it actually pretty good team or?

lavish night
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I didn't expect you to respond

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this team is most likely a team that can work

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I left indeedee on an empty ev set so you can optimize them yourself

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because I dunno the meta in low ladder

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I literally speed through it

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well anyways have fun cya

grizzled prism
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#1 FAVORITE FRR

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SNEASLERE

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I CANT FIND THE RIGHT GIF

supple bear
burnt surge
lavish night
ripe turret
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Dragonite @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Multiscale
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 196 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 52 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Haze
  • Scale Shot
  • Tailwind
  • Protect
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basically favoring HP over speed

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because you increase your speed w/ scale shot and tailwind

frigid dome
grizzled prism
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WHAT DID I DOO

ripe turret
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everything

fierce flame
safe imp
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Could use rilla to boost synergy with wood hammer, fake out support and pivot etc and replace equake for horn leech if it learns that for bulky heal, then for torkoal u could get fari to refrain chipping on torkoal for eruption doing less damage with fake out etc, and setting trick room instead of relying on oranguru which is okay for setting tr but just having 2 of tr setter is always respectable

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by chipping with fake out i mean any type of priority lol

pearl valley
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Like i mean really

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it doesnt do well into archaludon rain too

fierce flame
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I've got aveil + dual fake out, idt I need redirection, that'd be kinda overkill on support imo, as for rain, the mu is difficult, yes, but twater Incineroar, Rillaboom, and Atales makes it a lot easier to maneuver around rain

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My only really God awful mu is MausApe

pearl valley
fierce flame
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Also, Gholdengo is usually paired with Incineroar and Rillaboom

pearl valley
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and you donā€™t need incineroar

fierce flame
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.

pearl valley
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or gholdengo

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Most balance teams usually run gambit over ghold and sneasler over the cat

grizzled prism
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SEALSER!!

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Ahem

fierce flame
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5/6 Pokemon on the team won Frankfurt tho, so I imagined they'd be good here

pearl valley
fierce flame
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And I'm js not comfortable with Sneasler (and I've got morals, no offense to the Sneasler users)

pearl valley
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that team was based around maranga berry garganacl

grizzled prism
fierce flame
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Wait not frankfurt

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Uh

grizzled prism
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So I know it's a balance team, but is there any strategy to it?
(Sorry if that sounds rude btw)

fierce flame
grizzled prism
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So fluttermaine and gholdengo

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And shadow raider

fierce flame
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And the one who came before them

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Yes

grizzled prism
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And- yknow what theres alot

fierce flame
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Yeah okay but they're the best of the best

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(Mega Gengar is one too but that's old asf)

grizzled prism
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Point is, although the PokƩmon ARE strong, I don't see how much synergy they have together

fierce flame
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I can't recall the other regional that happened alongside frankfurt but I'm p sure 5/6 Pokemon on the team won it

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Lemme check smth rq

grizzled prism
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Yes but they may not have the exact sets on them and such, I just feel like if you have pokemon with a bit more synergy then you have a better shot

fierce flame
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Nvm, I was, right, frankfurt

pearl valley
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but that team used sneasler

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not volcarona

fierce flame
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I'm aware

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And that's why I was looking for a replacement

grizzled prism
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I also think that maybe that team was using pokemon that were good into other popular pokemon too right?

pearl valley
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just copy that

fierce flame
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The only difference is that his Atales is running protect and mine is running aveil

fierce flame
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And hence why I was looking for smth to replace it

pearl valley
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redirector or dragonite

fierce flame
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A redirector on a team w dual fake out and screens is too much tho, also neither Amoonguss nor Maus are particularly good here, and the team becomes way too passive

pearl valley
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and there is the wide lens maus seg

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set

fierce flame
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How optimal is that tho

pearl valley
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speed control with electroweb

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and theres also dragonite

fierce flame
pearl valley
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a mix of offense and utility

grizzled prism
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Well, it's not exactly redirection, but I liked using alley switch Armoruge a little bit ago

pearl valley
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armarouge is only good on psyspam

fierce flame
grizzled prism
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Yeah I was gonna say that was paired with indeedee not rillaboom

pearl valley
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if you donā€™t want to use sneasler, then youā€™re gonna have to change up the team quite a bit

fierce flame
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I need an answer to MausApe

pearl valley
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i literally gave you one in electabuzz

fierce flame
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And I js explained the problems with it

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What good is eweb doing when I have icy wind, and it still makes the team concerningly passive

pearl valley
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well if you want an answer and are denying them

grizzled prism
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The sneasler works kinda like a glue here, not having it makes the remaining hard to sustain

pearl valley
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this team just doesnā€™t seem like itā€™d be great, maybe good

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exactly

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my best bet is to make quite a bit of changes

grizzled prism
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But hey, it's your team, feel free to take our advice if you'd like

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But you don't HAVE too

fierce flame
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Oh yeah I definitely appreciate the advice

ripe turret
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from what I can see that team looks fine

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redirection is not needed here

fierce flame
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Not that it's a bad Pokemon here

ripe turret
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like

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you're losing to it?

pearl valley
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not really

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sneasler is really important on teams like this

fierce flame
ripe turret
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oh wait I'm on the wrong team

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lmao

fierce flame
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Welp

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Your thoughts?

grizzled prism
ripe turret
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don't say sneasler

grizzled prism
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I love sneasler

fierce flame
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But Sneasler is like that one thing you curse in your nightmares

ripe turret
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how is your mu into volc

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it seems like it would be kind of difficult with this team

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like setup volc

fierce flame
ripe turret
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ok

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that definitely does feel a little risky though

fierce flame
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Funny enough, I haven't actually run into that many qdance Volcs

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Like it's always rain/sun/sand/psyspam/dnite Sneasler kgb team

ripe turret
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lmao

fierce flame
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šŸ˜­

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Does the team need redirection tho?

ripe turret
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no

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you have veil + double fake out

pearl valley
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they say they struggle into mausape

ripe turret
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ah

pearl valley
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thatā€™s why i suggested a redirector

fierce flame
ripe turret
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maushold idt fits here

fierce flame
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It's way too passive into anything else imo

fierce flame
ripe turret
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electabuzz seems unnecessary

fierce flame
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Which imo still makes the team passive + having ewebs AND icy wind on the same team seems kinda unnecessary

pearl valley
drifting onyxBOT
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ripe turret
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you could try like

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scarf basc? maybe?

pearl valley
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best i could do for this person

ripe turret
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but idk if that's a good idea

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if you can't beat them join them lmao

fierce flame
ripe turret
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oh

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lmao

fierce flame
ripe turret
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I think

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you do kind of need a fast offense

fierce flame
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Ye

pearl valley
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but point is without sneasler you canā€™t just change 1 mon and think youā€™ll get away with it

fierce flame
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I mean, I've seen the core of Incineroar, Rillaboom, Gholdengo, and Ninetales a lot

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With the other two slots being changed

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Because these 4 just work really well together

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The only change to this specific core I've seen is Incin being replaced w Harc but that's it, the other three mons stay the exact same (minus EVs ofc)

pearl valley
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63%* mb

fierce flame
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Alright, ty

lethal bridge
ripe turret
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go with sand veil chomp, you have the weather so you may as well

lethal bridge
mighty otter
drifting onyxBOT
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New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

mighty otter
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made with munchstats

pearl valley
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excadrill is better than chomp here

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chomp is just sadly not that good in reg h

sleek laurel
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But itā€™s like

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Exca is better on Sand yes

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And in general on this team but Iā€™ll probably do some more thorough rating later

pearl valley
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as someone whoā€™s uses garchomp, itā€™s really only okay

sleek laurel
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Oh yea I mean

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Ok I guess I misinterpreted

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Iā€™m too used to reading ā€œnot that goodā€ as ā€œunviableā€ in this server because

mighty otter
sleek laurel
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Thatā€™s how we say ā€œX is unviableā€ to a new player when we donā€™t want to offend

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LOL

sleek laurel
pearl valley
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Here

sleek laurel
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Volcarona and Incineroar are not remotely comparable

mighty otter
sleek laurel
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And Volc could be good here but youā€™d want to run Grassy Seed on it

sleek laurel
pearl valley
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and kingambit is better than gholdengo here also

sleek laurel
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They do entirely different things

mighty otter
sleek laurel
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You can keep Incin tbh

mighty otter
sleek laurel
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Itā€™s a case of test both

pearl valley
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focus sash

sleek laurel
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But I think you probably keep Incin if you wanna run Grassy Seed Sneasler

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Double Fake Out is also nice

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Tho Gambit > Ghold is noteworthy good here

mighty otter
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I just tested the team, 0 - 2

pearl valley
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If you wanna keep ghold you should probably go dragonite over dragapult

mighty otter
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I havent made the changes yet

sleek laurel
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Also

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If youā€™re running Specs Ghold

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The set you want is probs MIR SBall Pagem and Trick

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But for that youā€™d want like

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Dnite > Pult for sure or some other Tailwinder

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But probably just DNite

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Because Haze

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There are different approaches to this tbh

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Do you wanna keep Pult or Ghold?

mighty otter
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Ig ghold

sleek laurel
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Then yea, DNite > Pult probably

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Scale Shot + Tailwind + Haze + Protect with Loaded Dice and Tera Steel

mighty otter
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I found this set

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Dragonite @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Multiscale
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Scale Shot
  • Protect
  • Extreme Speed
  • Haze
sleek laurel
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You want Tailwind > Extreme Speed

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Tera Fairy is fine

pearl valley
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EVs too

sleek laurel
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EVs are fine tbh

pearl valley
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you donā€™t need to go 252 speed when you have scale shot

sleek laurel
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Thing is

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DNite has Multiscale

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It generally doesnā€™t need much bulk investment

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And the good thing about higher Speed investment is the faster Tailwind

pearl valley
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well maybe adamant nature

sleek laurel
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Itā€™s kinda like why Focus Sash PokĆ©mon just donā€™t run bulk

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Adamant is fine yes

mighty otter
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wait so what were all the changes we're making to the teagm?

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Yeah this team hasn't won ocne

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or even gotten close

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both of them actually

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this team actually sucks bro

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0 - 5 losses

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This is below 1.1k too

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alr nvm its gotten 2 wins

lethal bridge
pearl valley
mighty otter
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but they trick roomed late

graceful pagoda
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who did they have on the trick room team?

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might have been me lowk

mighty otter
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not saying I used them, just saying I had them

graceful pagoda
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yeah loads

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i had espathra and reuniclus

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slaking and weezing

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indeedee and incin

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if it was me that would be funny

unborn pier
graceful pagoda
mighty otter
mighty otter
rare hill
drifting onyxBOT
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rare hill
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This is a second iteration of my team and I am 1300 elo on showdown

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been having trouble with kilowattrel and tyranitar

rare hill
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I been sweeping pretty much everything besides those

unborn pier
unborn pier
rare hill
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In fact I have faced zero ursaluna ever since i used this team

unborn pier
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I only ever see standard ursa and thatā€™s rarely in trick rooms, never blursa now

analog notch
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I have 2 teams here for Reg J (I'm trying to hard centre around Lurantis)

Screenshot_20250925_135359_Chrome.jpg Screenshot_20250925_131612_Chrome.jpg
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I'm also really new to comp

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So idk a whole lot, just a few small things from WolfeyVGC

unborn pier
analog notch
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Isn't there a website that I can copy it into?

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Pokepaste I think it was?

unborn pier
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Yeah thatā€™s what Iā€™m saying

analog notch
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Oop

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Sorry, I missed thatšŸ˜­

unborn pier
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Right above the red line!

analog notch
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The top one is for my Phys Atk Lurantis focus, and the other is for my SpAtk

unborn pier
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Is it ur fav Mon?

analog notch
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I'd say so, yeah

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I like Milotic and Sylveon too

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And Garchomp

unborn pier
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Dope

unborn pier
rare hill
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I just wanted to know how I can adapt the team to deal with kilowattrel and t-tar

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air slash and rock slide are hella annoying

unborn pier
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lol yeah I bet

unborn pier
rare hill
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well it provides good rain support for all my mons (besides pawmott it doesn't need it same for tatsu) and has good coverage moves for stuff like hatterene, alolan ninetales and mainly indeedee and hatterene

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and tailwind speed control

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also amoonguss is a pain

analog notch
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Idk too much at allšŸ˜­

rare hill
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no that is fine

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but usually pelipper gets ko'd

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bcuz of kilowattrel

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I could change it's tera but to what.

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its*

analog notch
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Ground, Dragon?

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Maybe?

rare hill
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Idk.

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ground makes it weak to g-glide from rilla and dragon already has so many counters (garchomp, dragapult, dragonite to name a few)

analog notch
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If you're building it for a hard counter, then that might be the play

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If not, then I have no clue

unborn pier
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You have 3 water types itā€™s gonna b weak into electric types

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You could run cloak on amogus to avoid fake out pressure

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Ensure you spore a watrell then you could cc the tar

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Ttar

rare hill
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Well only 2 of my water types are weak to electric and I realized I gave the focus sash to tatsu and could just give my pelipper c-cloak and tera-ground ( as you said)

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wait it has c-cloak

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nvm

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I just change it's tera type thanks

unborn pier
rare hill
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tatsu got sash

unborn pier
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Ye but y

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Itā€™s getting gulped by dozo

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I ran specs on mine as a last stand

rare hill
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true

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but like air slash flinch is soo annoying

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and pelip can't reliably take it out

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I can't outspeed kilo either

unborn pier
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It seems like itā€™s just there to set weather tho

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So u could like

rare hill
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hm

unborn pier
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Sash tailwind

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Thatā€™s the set I always see on pelipper

analog notch
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What about my goat Whimsicott?

unborn pier
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Sash tailwind hurricane wide guard protect

analog notch
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(Aka, prankster tailwind)

rare hill
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sash moonblast tailwind taunt protect I would say

unborn pier
analog notch
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Fairs

ripe turret
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you need weather ball

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usually over wide guard or tailwind

unborn pier
rare hill
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yeah I just had pelip there. I didn't actually want to utilise rain all that much

unborn pier
rare hill
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I realize now that pelip rain doesn't do much for dondozo

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never brought it b4 hand

ripe turret
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question

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what does the dozo do here

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is it just a late game cleanup

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because it definitely feels like you can replace dozogiri with like

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arch and basc

unborn pier
ripe turret
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and have it be a pretty standard rain team

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or something of that nature

rare hill
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I don't feel like utilising rain

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and dozogiri just sweep teams if pawmott isn't a good matchup

ripe turret
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ok

rare hill
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I sweep most with either pawmott or dozo

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surprisingly

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but dire claw is annoying

ripe turret
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I would definitely suggest running revival blessing on pawmot here

unborn pier
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Then I would replace pelipper w something like incin, harcanine or smth else

ripe turret
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because yk what's worse than dozogiri

rare hill
ripe turret
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one and a half dozogiris

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lmao ok fair

rare hill
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what should I replace tho I wanna keep pawmot, dozogiri and amoonguss

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I open to any other changes

ripe turret
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you can try glimm over peli ig

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that turns it into a semi-stall team that still has strong offensive capabilities

rare hill
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ok any other options (I ain't hating on glimm just wanna be open to others)

unborn pier
unborn pier
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Incin

rare hill
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hmm

unborn pier
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Harc

rare hill
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in place of what

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pelipper?

unborn pier
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Pelipper

rare hill
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ohk

ripe turret
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just an option

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you can also lean into the offensive mode

rare hill
unborn pier
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Incin would be good supper option, harcanine would be better if you like a super offensive style

ripe turret
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what you can do

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is just dozo it

unborn pier
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Gambit for fairy types for sure

ripe turret
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if it's like a setup set with rilla you can use ghold

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because those don't tend to run a dark move

rare hill
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god this is confusing

ripe turret
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ok outside of that

unborn pier
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lol focus on 1 Mon and we can go thru all 6

rare hill
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ok

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still

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hmm

unborn pier
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Dongiri is ur end game raid boss

ripe turret
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your EVs are definitely needing some work

rare hill
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I would lead pawmot/pelip with dondozo

unborn pier
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Oh you lead dongiri?

rare hill
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then I switch in giri and protect dozo

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to guarantee

ripe turret
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I would also run scarf tatsu here

unborn pier
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Ah

rare hill
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but it sweeps

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so yeah

unborn pier
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The only problem tho is haze users

rare hill
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hm

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I haven't run into any

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not joking

ripe turret
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prim and dnite are the main ones

rare hill
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I just lost a battle bcuz of t-tar and kilo and got annoyed lmao

unborn pier
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Haze hits thru protect so it just resets stats instantly

ripe turret
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and trust me you will see a lot of them once you get higher up

unborn pier
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Then itā€™s a 2v1

rare hill
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true true

ripe turret
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haze dnite is kinda everywhere

rare hill
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so what should I do?

ripe turret
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primarina is a little less common

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just use your other mode

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lmao

rare hill
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true

ripe turret
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just don't bring dozogiri into haze

rare hill
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so any replacements needed (just asking for final)

ripe turret
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yeah

unborn pier
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Best thing to do is use dongiri to clean up

ripe turret
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scarf tatsu

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some of the EVs

rare hill
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could you tell any ev spreads I don't really know that department of it all

unborn pier
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So u could run smth like volcarona Tera fairy to ko dnite

ripe turret
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yes

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I'll pull up the spreads in a sec

unborn pier
ripe turret
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Dondozo @ Leftovers
Level: 50
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 4 HP / 228 Atk / 4 Def / 36 SpD / 236 Spe
Tera Type: Grass
Adamant Nature

  • Protect
  • Wave Crash
  • Earthquake
  • Order Up
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tera grass here is mainly to avoid amoonguss

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and the EVs let it outspeed jolly chomp

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+1 EQ also is a 2hko on sitrus berry incin

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Gholdengo @ Metal Coat
Level: 50
Ability: Good as Gold
EVs: 236 HP / 4 Def / 52 SpA / 52 SpD / 164 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Dragon
Modest Nature

  • Make It Rain
  • Shadow Ball
  • Nasty Plot
  • Protect
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and ghold's lets it ohko ursa-b with make it rain, outspeed bulky volc, and live choice band wave crash from basc and tera dark throat chop from sneas

rare hill
rare hill
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btw I just wanted pelipper for speed control so is there anything else I can run for that?

unborn pier
rare hill
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idk about evs

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like I don't know what to change

unborn pier
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Iā€™m just debating on leftovers over cloak

unborn pier
rare hill
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it could run grassy seed for sneasler if you frequently bring them together

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volc with leftovers can work

unborn pier
rare hill
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oh alr then

unborn pier
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Lets me pick up 2 kos

rare hill
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tera fairy tera blast for what

unborn pier
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Anything w dragon moves tbh

rare hill
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aight

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it's like a contingency for gambit

unborn pier
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Lets me get dance off then Tera blast/overheat

rare hill
#

ok

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you don't got overheat?

unborn pier
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The fire move

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Heat wave

rare hill
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aight

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why do u have 28 spa evs (sorry for nitpicking)

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Idk how to team rate but I wanna lol

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on sneasler I mean

ripe turret
#

sash for volc?

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or sneas

rare hill
#

sneasler

ripe turret
#

tailwind over espeed on dnite and protect over iron head on gambit would be my two main suggestions

unborn pier
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We both Tera fairyā€™d and he had e-speed over tail wind so he won

ripe turret
#

tailwind will provide you more value

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like 90 times out of 100

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you really only slot in espeed if you have another tw/haze user

unborn pier
#

For gambit I do like the coverage I get from iron head would but I ran protect of sd and never rlly got to use him

rare hill
analog notch
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Murkgoat

unborn pier
rare hill
#

hm

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it has intim right?

unborn pier
#

Yeah

rare hill
#

ok

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idk about it but I can try it

unborn pier
#

Best used w mirror herb or clear amulet

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Arcanine-Hisui @ Mirror Herb
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Flare Blitz
  • Extreme Speed
  • Protect
  • Rock Slide

My set that I use

rare hill
#

ok

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im being a dummy but

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besides e-speed

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what kind of synergy does it have with my team'

unborn pier
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Possible ohko into the kilwattrel

ripe turret
#

like really really really needs it

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you kinda have to get rid of one of the two

rare hill
unborn pier
ripe turret
#

my suggestion is iron head because you have some decent coverage into fairies

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(sneasler)

rare hill
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eh ykw imma just figure it out myself sorry to bother youguys but thanks for all the suggestions

unborn pier
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And it does get fighting moves

ripe turret
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youā€™re not bothering anyone lol

rare hill
ripe turret
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(or not me at least)

unborn pier
rare hill
ripe turret
unborn pier
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If you ran rilla that wouldnā€™t be a problem cuz grassy surge weakens ground type moves and glide should sweep the teams with pawmot*

ripe turret
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I think harc probably still dies tbh

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and youā€™re also weakening your own EQ

unborn pier
unborn pier
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Get the intimidates off dip out roll w rilla prio and dozo wave crashes

rare hill
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man I just cooked by gholdengo and indeedee whatever.

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pawmot was lead for both.

analog notch
#

I got MAULED by a Miraidon team with my Sp Lurantis team

rare hill
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bruh-

unborn pier
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Ty dude

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Thinking that tw is the way to go and just accepting a loss 5% of the time into a dnite w espeed

ripe turret
unborn pier
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Ye thatā€™s fair

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Still tryna learn how to read what they would bring

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Some MUā€™s I got figured out like rain team just lead electabuzz,sneasler and have rilla, and rona to clean up others I feel like I get dog walked

ripe turret
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lead a pair that wonā€™t lose no matter what they lead

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and try to figure out the common leads for all the teams

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that way you donā€™t have to try and cover for something that they wonā€™t lead

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ex two super passive mons

unborn pier
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So like psyspam if they lead smth like indeedee/reun or espathra I should just go for counters like rilla and gambit

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Or gambit and sneasler

rare hill
#

Hey guys is there anything else that I can use with pawmot besides the team I showed you

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I just don't think the team works against anything.

unborn pier
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Meowscarada, don giri,

rare hill
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nvm I found a place where i can check

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not that kinda thing

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like uh

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both types combined

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but I found

unborn pier
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Ohhh a dual type chart

rare hill
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I found

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but like I don't wanna use blessing

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that is the thing

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At this point idk if I should give up on pawmot

unborn pier
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šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

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Blessing is just the better set

unborn pier
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#

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mighty otter
#

but I made a new team thats actually some how good

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this is it

mighty otter
mighty otter
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I gave dragonite adamant and gholdengo tera fairy

grizzled prism
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https://psim.us/t/1296313
I keep losing to the same archaledon electro shot set over and over. I tried making a sound gimmick team

unborn pier
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Need smth to kill the bird

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And then smth to actually kill arch

grizzled prism
#

Toxtricity kills the bird easily but arch is too bulky for anything to actually kill it. I wanna use sound mons but theres nothing that actually kills it

ripe turret
#

your team definitely benefits from it

grizzled prism
#

I know but Indeedee always gets killed or something before it goes up, this is actually like the fourth indeedee set I tried

ripe turret
#

try psychic seed indeedee and a recovery item on goth

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it shouldnā€™t be going down unless your opponent is doubling into it

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do not make primarina min speed

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or gothitelle for that matter

grizzled prism
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Alright, why though?

ripe turret
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this isnā€™t a hard TR team

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and primarina is naturally slow enough to be able to take advantage of TR anyways without intentionally lowering its speed

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same thing with gothitelle

grizzled prism
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God damn it everytime I make a change it disconnects and reverts it

ripe turret
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lmao

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also

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8 EVs is not a benchmark

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generally

grizzled prism
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What does that mean?

ripe turret
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you get the same stats for investing 4 EVs as 8 EVs in a stat

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so youā€™re basically wasting a stat point on a couple mons

grizzled prism
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Oh

ripe turret
#

generally speaking I shouldnā€™t be rating this team because it has an arbitrary restriction placed on it

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but

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I already started so

grizzled prism
ripe turret
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not really

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on skeledirge komo and indeedee you can easily shift the extra stat point

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on gothitelle Iā€™m assuming you arenā€™t running min speed anymore

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also change tera psychic on gothitelle

grizzled prism
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Yeah I changed it, also I didn't know that 8 wasn't a benchmark

ripe turret
#

ok cool

grizzled prism
#

THATS THE 5TH TIME

ripe turret
#

lmfao

grizzled prism
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It's tera dark LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN
Also I swapped helping hand for tr

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On indeedee

ripe turret
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keep helping hand

grizzled prism
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Also what item on Kommo-o because I swapped goths item to sitris

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Oh

ripe turret
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run it over one of the attacking moves

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because it does no damage anyways

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the problem is

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your team is just too bulky and kind of lacks a fast offense

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other than tox

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which doesnā€™t really constitute a fast offense per se

ripe turret
grizzled prism
#

Idk what that would be with the sound factor

ripe turret
#

yeah the problem is that this team canā€™t be optimized without breaking the rule of sound pokemon

grizzled prism
#

Well indeedee and goth kinda already do that

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I originally justified them with "oh indeedee has psychic noise, and goth has perish trap" but that didn't really stick around

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Who SHOULD I swap though, Skeledirge and primarina are kinda keeps because of their types and the fact that Skeledirge is so goated

ripe turret
#

um

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hate to break it to you

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but uh

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skeledirge

grizzled prism
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Aww

ripe turret
#

it just kinda

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doesnā€™t do anything

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tbh

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like run an incin here and your team is a million times better

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and also Iā€™d actually replace indeedee

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psyterrain is a little awkward with your fake out

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and it doesnā€™t really offer anything that gothitelle already does

grizzled prism
#

I'd say evil incin but my favorite pokemon is sneasler soo

ripe turret
grizzled prism
#

Fine I'll get rid of the goat crocodile for the evil cat

ripe turret
#

I remember you

grizzled prism
#

Oh no

ripe turret
#

anyways

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uhh

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let me think of a good replacement for indeedee

grizzled prism
#

Maybe something with offense because we need some more of that right?

ripe turret
#

yeah def

grizzled prism
#

Ive also been having trouble with arch so something to deal with that

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OH WHAT ABOUT URSALUNA

ripe turret
#

yeah thatā€™s what I was thinking

grizzled prism
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Wait it doesn't work with sound

ripe turret
#

but Iā€™m just worried about your team being a bit slow

grizzled prism
#

Yeahh it really is

ripe turret
#

(I thought we were moving away from that already)

grizzled prism
#

I was actually about to say that šŸ˜­

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Back to the incineroar thing, what item? Cause I have the usual set, but one I used before was an AV set with U-turn

ripe turret
#

either helm or goggles

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and you can shift leftovers to goth and sitrus back to komo

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Iā€™d go with goggles

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fake out knock off blitz and parting

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wait actually

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protect over one of the attacking moves

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because this is a perish team

grizzled prism
#

I'd switch flare blitz

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Also this is the set I have on ursuluna, not set in stone

Screenshot_20250925_162522_Chrome.jpg
ripe turret
#

uhhhhhh

#

no

grizzled prism
#

Oh

ripe turret
#

max attack, enough speed EVs to hit 82

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headlong rush over hhp

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sub/SD over body press

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rest into ho

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ho

#

hp

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I canā€™t type

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and tera ghost

grizzled prism
#

Okay

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SD?

burnt surge
#

ursaluna typically goes substitute or earthquake

#

but SD = Swords Dance

grizzled prism
#

Oh okay

ripe turret
#

yeah I didnā€™t suggest EQ

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because you have quite a few mons that donā€™t want to take one

grizzled prism
#

Yeahh

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Wait forgot something

ripe turret
#

other than that itā€™s fine ig

grizzled prism
#

WHY IS IT GOING TO 30

unborn pier
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#

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rare hill
rare hill
#

Hey guys I wanted to run a core with pawmot, corviknight, garchomp and porygon-2 anything else I can run for the last 2 slots?

analog notch
#

I finally won a game by playing relatively wellāœŒļøšŸ„¹

unborn pier
rare hill
#

true tru

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coaching I assume for rilla?

rare hill
unborn pier
#

Coaching for any of them tbh

rare hill
#

true

#

but the team looks good overall

unborn pier
#

Helps w scale shot lowering defenses

rare hill
#

never seen sash poison myself but it's fine

#

hm

unborn pier
rare hill
#

I wanted a soft Tailroom core

unborn pier
#

So idk if those r good tr mons

rare hill
#

they can work in TW from corvi

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just don't know what to put with porygon 2

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for TR

unborn pier
#

Ah ok ok

rare hill
#

man

unborn pier
#

Be careful of Ronaā€™s and rilla

rare hill
#

at this point I just want pawmot to work (without rev blessing I get it good I just don't wanna use it)

#

hm

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rona I mostly resist and can fire back with earthquake and stuff

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corv for rilla

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but tera-fire is problematic

unborn pier
#

Volc runs Tera fairy so it can take out core w heat wave and Tera blast for paw

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Innefective outrages

rare hill
#

hm

unborn pier
#

And grassy glide on rilla can take out Tera garchomp

rare hill
#

hm

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at this point idk.

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I just want pawmot

#

I know rev blessing is good

unborn pier
#

Itā€™s the best move

rare hill
#

I just wanted to try out a l-orb close combat tera electric set with double shock and close combat

#

it just seems kinda cringe to me idk (rev blessing I mean)

unborn pier
#

Could do that but replace something with blessing

rare hill
#

My set was
Fake Out
close combat
double shock
protect with life orb or sash

unborn pier
#

Run it in the back and have indeedee or buzz for follow me

rare hill
#

could I run ursa with electabuzz?

unborn pier
#

You could idk if itā€™s good

rare hill
#

then have maybe pelipp+arch for rain core plus maybe farig with spray?

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Imprison farig to deny TR and set up TW

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hyper voice benchmark could be... sneasler with tera dark since i want psychic too

rare hill
#

can it work?

unborn pier
#

And they could taunt since u no run herb

rare hill
#

hmm

lethal bridge
ripe turret
#

those are the main things I saw just doing a quick look-over

lethal bridge
#

oh yeah sneasler is meant to have tera stellar lmao

lethal bridge
pearl valley
#

also sand breaks sash

mighty otter
#

Whats the best possible incineroar set?

#

Like EVs and all

lethal bridge
ripe turret
#

so you can give something the scarf and set it up the next turn

#

also go with tera dark throat chop on sneasler actually

#

because youā€™re leading it with indeedee a lot of the time

#

so fake out is worse

lethal bridge
#

ye i have dazzling gleam and trick as the last moves and i did put throat chop on sneasler

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and just playing around with that i don't really need tr

unborn pier
ripe turret
#

yeah

cyan heron
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#

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grizzled prism
#

https://psim.us/t/1306517
Hiii again, I was scrolling through my teams and found this one in ubers? I decided to make some changes so it could be fit for reg J and its FAR better in reg J than ubers

#

Is it actually good or am I just delusional?
(Reposted because I noticed something EMBARRASSING about the team šŸ˜­)

#

Well looking at it again, most of the sets just have the basic sets sooo

grizzled prism
#

Okay then

ripe turret
grizzled prism
#

What

#

Oh best of 1, c(??) Team sheets?

#

Can you even have team sheets in showdown?

grizzled prism
#

I'm re working some of the stat distributions

ripe turret
#

so basically you donā€™t know anything abt your opponentā€™s team

#

main reason I say that is the scarf kyogre

#

also mausarch and basc are massively powercrept in reg j

grizzled prism
#

I was actually planning on getting rid of basc for more more support

ripe turret
#

yeah you have absolutely nothing for TR

grizzled prism
#

Thats the main reason

ripe turret
#

your plan against it right now is really just nuke it

grizzled prism
#

Or taunt if I have urshifu out

ripe turret
#

yeah or that

grizzled prism
#

But I do need more support

ripe turret
#

but if itā€™s HTR youā€™re kinda cooked

#

yeah def

#

basc + ursh is definitely redundant

grizzled prism
#

Again, this is a team I forgot about and made when I first started (like 6 months ago) soo

#

Thats kinda why I'm reworking it

ripe turret
#

ok

#

mirogre is also not a really common core

grizzled prism
#

I'm the same person that made a team based around sound

#

Does anything I do seem usual

ripe turret
#

and the sneasler person

#

I havenā€™t forgotten

grizzled prism
#

I love the silly sneasler

ripe turret
#

anyways

#

if you want to use miraidon

#

you need to change the team a lot

#

since it doesnā€™t gel that well with the rain in general

#

and you need to find a replacement for the 3 reg h mons

grizzled prism
#

All of them? I was already planning on switching Basc and maybe maus, but archaledon I had a weird thought for

ripe turret
#

arch is a super niche pick

#

like ig it could work

grizzled prism
#

So is toxtricity, and primarina

#

And skeledirge

#

You get it

#

Anyway, my idea is that arch could benefit from both the rain and the electric terrain thanks to its signature move electro shot

#

It doesn't NEED it and I know I'll rarely get it off, but that combination would be DEADLY if it works

ripe turret
#

I mean

#

not even really

#

you already have miraidon

#

which is just electric damage on steroids

#

and it also needs less setup

#

so I donā€™t really see the point tbh

grizzled prism
#

I guess, but it'd be fun backup

#

Incase miraidon goes down

#

But if miraidon goes down then arch is probably not surviving anyway

ripe turret
#

like my point is you can just replace it with a mon that does something more important than

#

acting as miraidon backup

grizzled prism
#

Let's focus on the ones I'm for SURE replacing first

#

Like basc

ripe turret
#

ok ok

#

Iā€™d run scarf urshifu and mystic water ogre

#

so just like

#

switch the items

#

add tornadus over basc

#

and amoonguss over maus

grizzled prism
#

I HATE TORNADUS

#

AND AMOONGUS

#

Ahem

ripe turret
#

sneasler

#

ahem

grizzled prism
#

I KNOW

#

Anyway šŸ¦øā€ā™‚ļø

ripe turret
#

I will never stop holding that over you lmao

#

anyways yeah

#

those are

#

my two main suggestions

#

not really a replacement for them tbh

#

like I guess whims

grizzled prism
#

Uhh, I'd like redirection (that's NOT amoongus) of some sort, I'd like indeedee again but psychic surge does NOT help

ripe turret
#

but mirai and ogre like the grass coverage

#

the only other redirector is like

#

ogerpon

grizzled prism
#

Is there anything thats like indeedee just without psychic terrain

#

OHHH

#

I LOVE OGERPON

ripe turret
#

but like still none of them really fit

#

firepon is an automatic no

#

wellspring is way too many waters

grizzled prism
#

Wellspring is the obvious choice, but yeah too many waters

ripe turret
#

cornerstone feels a little janky

#

and teal is just

#

no

grizzled prism
#

Well Cornerstone might work

ripe turret
#

Iā€™ve never seen it on a rain team

#

personally

grizzled prism
#

It'd be the best for support though aside from wellspring

ripe turret
#

alternatively

#

you could swap urshifu for lorb lando

#

then thereā€™s no problem with wellspring

grizzled prism
#

Uhhhg another genie

ripe turret
#

blobshrug you gotta make some sort of a sacrifice

grizzled prism
#

I know I shouldn't be picky when you're helping me but the genies don't feel good to use

ripe turret
#

why do you think that

#

just curious

grizzled prism
#

Tornadous' prankster crippling strats make me feel gross

#

And like

#

Idk

#

And I tried gen 5 before and... never again

#

And I have no feelings for the one I can't remember

ripe turret
#

actually

grizzled prism
#

Also the pink one exists

ripe turret
#

an alternative could be iron jugulis/roaring moon

#

also sometimes seen on kyogre teams

grizzled prism
#

Really? Wouldn't they be too frail though?

#

For support

ripe turret
#

they both also have strong flying coverage

#

not really

#

unless youā€™re getting hit for SE

#

or just like a crazy strong neutral move

grizzled prism
#

This is gen 9 so thats like half of the moves ngl šŸ˜­/j

ripe turret
#

they are actually decent

#

very strong into csr

#

fast tailwind

#

etc etc

#

they also check rilla quite well

grizzled prism
#

Yeahh we haven't even addressed the monkey in the room

ripe turret
#

yeah roaring moon could be a good way to deal with rilla

grizzled prism
#

Maybe, I had an Idea with a set on cornerstone with follow me knock off

#

I was just experimenting with the set, still am but what about this?

Screenshot_20250926_215609_Chrome.jpg
ripe turret
#

you need ivy cudgel at lest

#

least

grizzled prism
#

I was deciding between ivy cudgel and horn leach

#

I didn't know if more damage or recovery was more important

ripe turret
#

definitely go with cudgel

#

idt knock off is worth losing the grass move though

#

recovery is not that important because most of the time you wonā€™t be healing up to sturdy anyways

#

horn leech is really only a wellspring thing

grizzled prism
#

Ah, I was considering incineroar but

  1. Idk how it'll do in the rain
  2. I don't feel as gross using at as the genies and amoongus, but I'd like to see other options first
#

It could allow for another move on ogerpon though

ripe turret
#

at this point

#

just build kyogre cir

#

because if you donā€™t want to use the genies/amoonguss it makes building around kyogre very difficult otherwise

grizzled prism
#

Well I guess, I know I'm being picky with my pokemon and I'm so sorry but I just hate having to resort to strategys like spore and pera hax to get my team online

#

I know that I'll HAVE to use them at some point but I'd rather have my integrity and find other more niche options to fill my team

#

I get that I'm new and should stick to the meta, but it doesn't feel good to win with those though

#

Idk maybe I shouldn't be so picky

#

I'm sorry

ripe turret
#

lol no Iā€™m not like complaining

#

I was just saying that based on your preferences you would be better off building a kyogre cir team

#

which doesnā€™t need like instant tailwind and also had a very nice built-in TR check

#

called cir

#

if it came off as that way just know I didnā€™t mean it in a frustrated way lol

grizzled prism
#

Oh sorry, Idk about giving up this pairing though, I really like kyogre and miraidon, I added iron hands as my last team member

#

I swapped the sets so I had power herb arch and AV hands

ripe turret
#

hold on can you just send the updated team rq

#

I'm kinda getting lost lmao

grizzled prism
#

Okay

#

I think this is it?

#

Nope thats the old one

#

How do I access the team in the link view thingy if I closed it out already?

ripe turret
#

uh

#

just create a new pokepaste

grizzled prism
#

Here we go

ripe turret
#

lowkey

#

you could just replace arch with farig and kyogre with like

#

lunala ig

#

and you would have a pretty standard mirai team

#

but ok

#

tbolt over body press on arch

#

sturdy over stamina

grizzled prism
#

Okay

ripe turret
#

wild charge over thunder punch on hands

#

tera bug over ground

grizzled prism
#

RIGHT

ripe turret
#

go max/max on ogerpon

#

because you have sturdy

#

run some bulk on urshifu

#

the mystic water set should be on smogon

#

change hands' EV spread

#

also on smogon

#

I guess that's it tbh

#

you can consider tera stellar on urshifu

grizzled prism
#

Okie dokie

#

Thank you for helping me out, sorry about being picky

#

But why wild charge over supercell slam?

ripe turret
#

supercell slam really sucks when it misses

#

wild charge

#

wild charge's drawback is basically negligible

#

and their base powers are comparable

grizzled prism
#

Okay

ripe turret
#

that's really all I can do without changing the mons lol

#

but it's all good

#

most important thing is to have fun

pearl valley
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#

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ripe turret
#

yeah

#

lmao

#

in my defense

#

I don't play reg j

ripe turret
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(isn't this like the third time you've posted this team already)

cinder glacier
novel kelp
pearl valley
visual pelican
visual pelican
tall trail
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I have a question. Am I allowed to ask help for particular pokemon and not my entire team? I'm in the midst of making a team but I currently have a staple I want to use and need help with trying to figure out the best stats and moveset for it