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[ripe turret]

and it also makes coaching way more threatening

[celest gulch]

i guess there's some truth to that, ill eventually start running into incin

but i guess for now ive gotten decent mileage out of grassy + lefties making sure calyrex actually lives to click glacial

since as far as wincons go this team is cir and 5 jokers

i see where yall coming from tho

but im not getting clowned on so i guess the team aint comedically bad

[ripe turret]

I totally get it but I think lefties is a little too overkill, coaching+wisp makes you a beast physically while light screen helps specially along with having two fake outs and multiple disruption tools to help you live already

yeah it's decent lol

[prisma olive]

i mean its pretty good

[celest gulch]

aight thanks for the glaze lads ill do some testing with amulet

[prisma olive]

okay. have fun!

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/d49d263c0e73b3a6

[jovial creek]

you've posted this team enough times already, its a good team, theres not really anything we can do to make it better

[jovial creek]

I just looked at the arch evs and I think I need bleach, https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/ use spreads from here

[modest dune]

better than my EV spread ngl

[robust pilot]

https://pokepast.es/d88ac4faf3e69919 my reg j team

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[robust pilot]

https://pokepast.es/3126e4ecd83ceb5f my reg h team

[drowsy fable]

Worlds starts today?

1 thing I noticed about my teams is that I never have speed control which was 1 thing i had with regeleki when I played back in swsh is that still a thing?

[ripe turret]

yes it does

[robust pilot]

.

[robust pilot]

.

[ripe turret]

I’d move the items around a bit, eseed goes to sneas while indeedee grabs scarf or sash, lorb goes to bloodmoon and ghold takes metal coat/lefties

other stuff looks mostly ok

ofc if you run scarf on indeedee then go with hyper voice over TR or smth

[robust pilot]

Kk

What about reg j?

[versed dune]

https://pokepast.es/40bb87cf229a5610 my reg j team
hello, how can i improve this team?
i mainly want to use mons who are color green or have green accents in them,
kind of a meme team tbh, rayquaza is my favorite and been brainstorming for good partners for him, any help/advice is appreciated. 🙏

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[ripe turret]

I’m definitely not qualified to speak on that lol, I haven’t even made a team for reg j

[broken shuttle]

??

[torpid mason]

Take your argument to PMs, we don't care about it.

if you want to make a report to smogon staff do it on the forums instead of some weird public callout with meaningless logs

[broken shuttle]

!arbitraryformats

[drifting onyx]

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[broken shuttle]

^ see above

how comitted are you to it being a mono green team, we give advice for competitive formats without any additional restrictions

[broken shuttle]

yeah this looks good

are you having any specific issues with it?

[livid raft]

https://pokepast.es/1bb1460a03d796e0
Is this team tournament worthy or should I improve on it?

[broken shuttle]

yes this looks good

[versed dune]

very comitted to it, ill be using it for competitively for my school tournament which is coming soon, it follows the same ruleset for reg j but with a twist of only using mono color teams. not sure if this is the right place to ask for advice.

[broken shuttle]

yeah if that is the case not the right place, sorry!

[ripe turret]

just one lil thing cuz this isn’t really the right place for this but if you want to make a mono team, I would either run a strategy with sun or rain because you can kinda get away with using multiple fires/waters on weather teams whereas it’s a lot harder to stack any other type and make it work well

[prisma olive]

maybe i can help? i find stuff like these to be interesting and fun. dm meh

[drowsy fable]

is regieleki still storng or is it buns now

[ornate cloak]

Myb for causing unnecessary trouble

[glacial lotus]

https://pokepast.es/916e9029756632fa im getting clapped by calyrex s

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[glacial lotus]

Idk what to add

I could swap torn for amoongus or fluttermane maybe?

[robust pilot]

Add something that's good in trick room or change cir

And i will change protect on inci for will o whisp for better support

[noble cipher]

https://pokepast.es/6dc106b746c368d8
is my team good?

[robust pilot]

I think yes but having speed Control will be nice

[noble cipher]

what kind of speed control?

[ripe turret]

mostly perfect, just a couple small suggestions

psychic is better than dkiss here because the longevity doesn't matter on sash

on csr

and dragon pulse is probably better than draco because with booster you don't want to switch out as often, so the downside of draco is a lot more noticeable

[ripe turret]

switch from urshifu-s to scarf urshifu-r

it ohkos calyrex under rain/with tera water

also fits in better with your team in general

[ripe turret]

it's kinda mid imo

sash flutter is probably just better

except for in really niche situations

like it does outspeed calyrex without needing weather so that's something

[robust pilot]

In your team tailwind

I think

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/9dfed881616ab724

Reg H

Idk if I should keep Will-O-Wisp on Incineroar or taunt

[old kindle]

decided to go back to av archalu as i feel like it fits more than the power herb, this time just turning it really tanky with the bullet seed self stamina proc, might look into giving my rillaboom more speed via jolly nature or moving around some evs
https://pokepast.es/a277bb5fbbc3d96b

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[old kindle]

hmm might swap out foul play for u turn on murk actually

so i can set up tailwind and u turn out into archalu

[broken shuttle]

i think wisp does everything you'd like here

[old kindle]

maybe take out some evs put it into speed for 116 speed so it outspeeds my rillaboom by 1 so it can uturn out before the bullet seed hits

[broken shuttle]

realistically if you're afraid of spore you can just side will-o, same with ursa

[ornate cloak]

Fair

[broken shuttle]

the only change i would recommend here is tera blast>tri attack on p2

[ornate cloak]

Alright

[broken shuttle]

and change your tera type to smth like fighting/ghost/fairy/poison depending on what u feel like you need to hit

[ornate cloak]

I'll prolly js do fighting

Tysm

[broken shuttle]

murkrow feels kind of redundant here tbh

the rest of the team is good murk just doesn't really bring a whole lot that you need/don't already have

i'm not 100% about what the replacement should be, but amoonguss would be a good starting point to test with👍

especially if you're worried about dondozo

[old kindle]

its an old remnant of my team before peli was on

before peli was there it was basc and archalu was power herb lol

shoot

nvm

actually yeah i can run u turn on peli

yeah amoon looks good

https://pokepast.es/dd38b2e04c6e8b30

alright

there we go

decided to go tera dark on peli to avoid prankster taunt so i can guarantee a tailwind

only issue i sorta have is actually getting spored on archalu

i think i can afford a tera grass on archaludon actually

[light moss]

i got a new pc recently and lost all my old teams so im trying to make a new vgc team

https://pokepast.es/6462dcf5f648bcf2

the idea seems fun with the new ruleset but i wanna know if anyone has any tips

the idea is imprison and transform effectively remove a pokemon off the field and making it mine with skill swap to put shadow tag on the transformed pokemon

[celest gulch]

reg J is 2 restricteds

[fluid lintel]

I don't think you'll ever get that off in a game

[modest dune]

Imprison Mew doesn't work in doubles OU, you sure ain't ever pulling it off in a meta with Miraidon and Calyrex literally capable of instant goobing mew

Anything can either encore it into being stuck using imprison or use a redirector to become transform target or switch out of their restricted etc

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/c26547b3eeeaef04

Ik the team does look kinda weak to fighting but I do have reliable counterplay against Koraidon (Csr + Rbolt), Ursh (Csr, Rbolt, Rillaboom), and Zamazenta-Crowned (Csr, Chi-Yu, my own Zamazenta-Crowned)

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[sleek laurel]

I wouldn’t run Incin and Chi-Yu together, they check pretty similar stuff and rather overlap defensively

The team does look pretty standard tho, I think just Chien-Pao > Chi-Yu makes it a completely normal CSR Zama Pao Bolt team, or Hearthflame over it makes a standard Marcofiero team

It’s hard to innovate much on this composition tbh

[ornate cloak]

Fair enough ig, wb Chien-Pao + Urshifu?

Does that have any potential?

[sleek laurel]

Definitely, the only thing is who’d you replace for Ursh

I would probably change Bolt in this case

Because Incin Rilla are very key

[ornate cloak]

Yh

[sleek laurel]

And the double Fake Out pressure is very helpful especially for CSR

But yea that can 100% work

[ornate cloak]

Alr I'll try that, tysm

[sleek laurel]

Np and gl!

[fluid lintel]

wc finals finally

Today's a good day

James Evans going to blow gio out

especially if he decides to go with a double restricted lead

ig we can take smth from their team spread finally

sun ho with korai lunala is solved

would drop raging bolt on James's side but it's such a staple

[broken shuttle]

hey

not the place for this

#comp-general

[fluid lintel]

sorry sir

[broken shuttle]

👍

[potent crescent]

https://pokepast.es/458960ba6699ca5b

What do you think about this team for reg J?

I'm currently struggling against dondozo stall and farigiraf the most, but could still top 1500s on showdown a few days ago.

If you have any advice, I would really appreciate it.

Please don't tell me to replace giratina tho, the whole point of the team is running it, and I honestly think that is a criminally underrated Pokemon that eats koraidons, groudons, kyogres, zamazentas and non terastalized calyrexes/lunalas for breakfast. It also 100% walls most ursalunas.

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[ripe turret]

I think entei is kinda redundant here, you don't need ANOTHER espeed spammer imo

also valiant could just be a scarf urshifu here

[potent crescent]

@ripe turret I had the team configured that way when I first tried reg J. The problems were the lack of wide guard and a bad matchup into incin. Valiant offers fighting type damage, wide guard and a fast coaching/Destiny Bond. Entei is very good into incin, caly ice and magearna, Who used to give me a lot of trouble.

[ripe turret]

ok, I see. against dondozo you can just spam draco, farigiraf with priority block is annoying but I guess you kinda just have to try and remove it with pao, I can't really think of any other changes tbh

[open perch]

https://pokepast.es/43c3be7f561bbb8c

Thoughts

I’m making ut for Birmingham regionals

[ripe turret]

in-person events are reg h no?

[sage obsidian]

https://pokepast.es/977dc5a85bb84b0d

Reg h

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[spare plume]

https://pokepast.es/ef2a7022e95051e5

reg J

[mellow monolith]

https://pokepast.es/56b3a97b72e22f2c
reg H, explosion is fun i dont think indeedee fits on team, also probably need to tweak golem evs

[void jungle]

[void jungle]

Why Lurantis at all?

[spare plume]

Merely wanted to experiment with the idea of superpower contrary that’s all

thought it was underrated and wanted to try and use one

[noble cipher]

https://pokepast.es/8b10e3a1c63e662a
how can i add speed control?

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[safe imp]

Hello! team for Reg J its doing well in masterball rank, though im planning to use scarf on shifu and change tera (ground was for miraidon), and replace taunt on Bbonnet for seed bomb (this team was based on what I’ve seen on worlds 2025 lol) can somebody tell me if it has any flaws?

https://pokepast.es/d74f779f31f6c5ef

also I’ll replace dclaw for protect prolly (was struggling against miraidon)

[timid current]

if you ran electroweb instead of protect or something on your raging bolt that could work

although if you wanted something more consistent you might have to change one your pokemon

[timid current]

and its not really a flaw but i wouldve thought flare blits on the incin would be nice to take advantage of the sun and also life orb + close combat is quite neat for koraidons

but i could be wrong lol

[safe imp]

I’ve tried lorb cc but it just doesn’t fit with incineroar being high usage

[timid current]

fair enough

[safe imp]

And ill be pretty frail with the drops

[timid current]

yeah valid

[safe imp]

Fblitz incineroar is an option

Im just using wisp lmao

[timid current]

yeah i can never bring myself to use wisp after missing it too many times lol

[rare hill]

https://pokepast.es/b193b159421c7b6c
I just need a quick review of my evs and ivs cause I'm making a mixed core with TW and TR

[mellow monolith]

you should consider a manual sun setter with all the rain teams going around

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/46eb33331aeb8302
How's this team

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[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/c67695ff730db079 reg h team with incin amoong core. My ghold spread is a bit over the place cause idk how id ev specs ghold. I also have modest on ghold to have even bigger damage boost and i also like a slower ghold sometimes for if tr is up, though i do have trouble with timid gholds.

any suggestions for pokemon changes, ev changes, or moveset?

[ornate cloak]

Reg J

Arceus + Csr

https://pokepast.es/2e5184f2ec9a49ac

[pearl valley]

https://pokepast.es/3f86f6e0506a4c58 i got top 500 with this team not like anyone cares, but is it good

[drifting onyx]

Hey @narrow dock, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9nationaldexdoublesubers. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/a9cd2cdb7cfdda5e
Trying to get a head start for Pokémon champions. How'd I do?

[pearl valley]

you have basically nothing against primal groudoj

[safe imp]

uhh what 😭😭

[safe imp]

U actually want restricteds on ur team

[sleek laurel]

Hey, we appreciate the enthusiasm, but there’s no established metagame or theory, or even ruleset, for Champions yet

We don’t even know which Pokémon will be in the game or not

So I’m afraid we can’t help w that one/have to ask you to not send teams for yet-to-come-out metagames, mainly because it’s impossible, as we don’t know what’s going to work (or even be legal) either

Thanks

[pearl valley]

primal groudon

[safe imp]

Sob

[safe imp]

uhm its probably just megas and the double restricted formats

[sleek laurel]

It’s still theory-less and entirely speculation, hence “probably”

[torpid mason]

We don’t support speculation and arbitrary formats

[sleek laurel]

The server altogether doesn’t work with speculation in terms of team building

[torpid mason]

When it’s released we will support it

[sleek laurel]

Yea what Wi-Fi said

[torpid mason]

Until then this isn’t the place for it

[sleek laurel]

^

[safe imp]

👍

[safe imp]

still waiting if anyone wants to take a look at it 🤐

[vivid shard]

Can u make leafeon viable

[tribal void]

pushing this down to see if anyone would like to give some advice

[vivid shard]

Can u make leafeon viable like ive been waiting here 😭

[modest dune]

sorry but only glaceon has shown viability

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/b9a09d073b75fa78

Need help with the last slot

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[ornate cloak]

Primarily something that can manage Sneasler

[broken shuttle]

yeah this is fine, i think it should be offensive NP ghold on this tho

tect is rly good on a team like this it's a lot more flexible & with tera steel lorb u can still force damage

[broken shuttle]

this seems fine into sneasler? you have incin rilla peli basc

if anything i would be more concerned about kingambit with this team

[ornate cloak]

Been getting dire claw hax'd to hell

[ornate cloak]

Fair

[broken shuttle]

that kind of just is what it is lol

[ornate cloak]

Ig i could add my own Sneasler or Garchomp maybe?

[broken shuttle]

yeah your own sneasler isn't a bad shout at all

u do have rilla so gseed being open makes it p viable

[ornate cloak]

Alr will do

[tiny cairn]

https://pokepast.es/2ff685df0a0399e5

is this chill

[ripe turret]

looks pretty good overall, would suggest strange steam over dgleam and protect over tspikes

better damage and also I think protect is probably better here as you don’t have anything that can really stall out for too long

[tiny cairn]

alr

ty

[ember harness]

Any help pls https://pokepast.es/324ae27e219359f4

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[ripe turret]

well, I would start with adding a second restricted

[pearl valley]

https://pokepast.es/91980e4b704b500b planning to use this for reg j too

[ripe turret]

you need protect on pao & zama and I would replace chi-yu for farigiraf, otherwise you just get cycled infinitely by fake out

unless you hit a certain important calc with heavy slam tera bug/fire on hands is better

and change the teras for pao and whims

[pearl valley]

Realistically when would someone tera whimsicott

[ripe turret]

well, a usable tera is always better than a useless one

and tera dark allows you to avoid prankster taunt, which can be really huge to get a tailwind off or something

[pearl valley]

whimsicott is the fastest tailwind setter outside of talonflame which doesn’t have prankster

[ripe turret]

you are running max speed but still it could come up

with a speed tie with other whims

like all I'm saying is that grass does absolutely nothing

while dark could do something once in a blue moon

and it takes like 5 seconds to change it so

[pearl valley]

and taunt is a very risky gamble first turn

[pearl valley]

tera shards

[ripe turret]

oh I didn't realize this was an in-game team lol

ok then I guess it's ok

[pearl valley]

heavy slam is there for fairies

[ripe turret]

yeah I'm not questioning heavy slam

just the tera steel

because defensively there are a lot of better options

[pearl valley]

tera steel because im unsure that it ohkos tera fairy miraidon and tera fairy lunala

[ripe turret]

it's not gonna be an ohko

like ever

even with tera steel, electric terrain, and max atk

it does around 55-65%

[pearl valley]

wait but what does fire do that steel can’t

[ripe turret]

protects against burns mainly

also is better into koraidon

and some other stuff

I'm trying to think

I think it just makes it better into sun teams and protects it from burns pretty much

compared to steel

but yeah bug would be my first suggestion

fire is kind of a less common choice

[pearl valley]

bug gets burnt by koraidon

[ripe turret]

I mean yeah it just depends on what you want out of hands' tera

[pearl valley]

and behemoth bash is on zamazenta because outside of hands’ heavy slam flutter mane is going to destroy the team + most flutter manes aren’t prepared for behemoth bash

[ripe turret]

oh I meant change iron defense

setup is kinda hard to get away with in the super-high power level formats

behemoth bash is totally fine

[pearl valley]

And chi yu is there to help out miraidon + outspeeds shadow rider

[ripe turret]

idt you should have many problems with csr

I mean, you have zama, pao, hands

and farigiraf is also good into csr because it walls it and can threaten it with foul play

plus the added benefit of blocking priority

and having a second mode with TR + hands can help out a lot against faster teams and other TR teams

[pearl valley]

yeah but then miraidon is the only special attacker + chi yu covers for things that miraidon struggles against, such as rillaboom, and basically any tera grass pokemon

[ripe turret]

it doesn't exactly matter if miraidon is the only spatker, and grass types can be dealt with by pao, zama, etc

and you also have other non-electric type moves on miraidon

like I'm just saying, the added priority block on farigiraf which your team is very weak against currently is in my opinion a lot more valuable than what chi-yu offers here

[pearl valley]

you know i actually tried farigiraf and found myself losing to pokemon like calyrex ice and lunala

maybe for chien pao then

[ripe turret]

eseed farigiraf should have a positive matchup into both though...?

like you basically force tera with foul play, are super bulky into ice rider with the seed, and lunala can't really hit you with its main attack

[pearl valley]

amoonguss would just redirect anything i throwed at lunala

And that force tera part is where shit gets bad

they would sweep with tera moonblast

[ripe turret]

amoonguss should get ohko'd by pao

psychic also does a fair chunk

[ripe turret]

this is a lie actually

but it deals enough to the point where you can just clean it up with the other mon/the next turn

[pearl valley]

i guess a priority ice shard would clean up amoonguss but the tera fairy part

[ripe turret]

zama should check that pretty reliably

[fluid lintel]

uhhh 252hp 188 def bold dies

[ripe turret]

most amoonguss run 236 236 bold specifically to live adamant crash

along with glance from cir

at least in reg i/j

and even in g

like I'm just saying, you should have tools to deal with lunala

even if you switch out chi-yu for farigiraf

[fluid lintel]

man if amoonguss is dying to what is most likely double up in that scenario what are the new sets nowadays

[pearl valley]

oh yeah koraidon that stupid thing

[ripe turret]

I mean it is a super-effective stab move

with sword of ruin

but yeah it is kinda insane

[fluid lintel]

I briefly remember the first grand challenge zacian korai team

[pearl valley]

its either tera fire koraidon or lunala that things get bad

[ripe turret]

tera water/dragon zama can help with korai

[fluid lintel]

I feel like if anyone brang that to worlds

holy jesus

high pilot would just let the mons drive itself

[ripe turret]

but grass is fine here also, you just have to be a little more careful around it

like getting TR up, utilizing fake out/encore, etc

oh yeah change helping hand to encore on whims

or you can change taunt

it's just way too valuable to pass up

locking mons into defensive/setup moves is huge

[pearl valley]

idk if i should replace chien pao or chi yu with farigiraf

[fluid lintel]

you don't have to

[ripe turret]

I do think that pao is better here because it synergizes super well with zama + hands and has a lot of good coverage

[fluid lintel]

your team is demanding the opposing side to play defensive

[ripe turret]

fake out

and uh

if you want to run hyper offense mirai+zama is probably not it

[fluid lintel]

zama is probably support for specific sets against caly+zama, DARKRAI and menacing mythicals

[pearl valley]

i already tried miraidon and zacian

[fluid lintel]

wide guard you can never get enough of

[pearl valley]

it fucking sucked

[ripe turret]

darkrai is non-existent especially with terrain

[pearl valley]

rillaboom baby

[fluid lintel]

yeah

[ripe turret]

mirai and zac are a bad pair

[pearl valley]

i made a team with darkrai and gravity calyrex shadow rider as a timmick

[fluid lintel]

gp closure

booOOOOOoM

so anyways

should I bring my reg I team into reg J

I might have to make a bit of modifications

[ripe turret]

oh also

farig hard walls arceus

[fluid lintel]

https://pokepast.es/79aa4a16d2e7f024

[pearl valley]

im just glad xerneas isn’t in gen 9 haha imagine if there was a game called pokemon champions where xerneas could abuse tera ground to shed it’s weakness to steel

[fluid lintel]

...

boom it turn 1

[ripe turret]

uh

[fluid lintel]

🤣

[ripe turret]

ground doesn't resist steel?

[fluid lintel]

No but tera blast

[ripe turret]

ah I see

[pearl valley]

yeah tera blast

[ripe turret]

yeah that would be hell lol

[fluid lintel]

tera fire/tera ground :p

both mid but for one YOU GET MIRAIDON SUPPORT

HAHAHA

[pearl valley]

next year at worlds i bet xerneas will be in all/most of the teams

[fluid lintel]

no

it won't even be in the format

[pearl valley]

worlds next year is gonna be in pokemon champions

[fluid lintel]

boom bam bop boop

I thought they said smth ab reg K

or reg H

being the official one being used

[ripe turret]

it better be reg h

but anyway this is probably off topic for this channel

just like

[fluid lintel]

yeah

[ripe turret]

yeah

[fluid lintel]

erm

get back on point

https://pokepast.es/79aa4a16d2e7f024

I have evs pasted on my laptop

[pearl valley]

slither wing?

[ripe turret]

yeah ok I'll be back in a bit, if it's still not rated then I'll get to it

[fluid lintel]

k

[pearl valley]

isn’t slither wing dead to one flare blitz/flying move without tera

[fluid lintel]

doesn't matter

[pearl valley]

what does it do

[fluid lintel]

threatens both horses/provides utility in TR to force protects at times, might be a tera baiter against physically weaker mons, but more importantly, goes through follow me users using first impression.. the exception being ogerpon. checks rillaboom, brute bonnet, amoonguss (tera/protect) and leverages some attacks so it can deal huge burst damage with coverage moves

[pearl valley]

uh its bug fighting and the horses are ice/ghost psychic

[fluid lintel]

dawg

are you forgetting

bug is se against caly-I

[pearl valley]

which has tera fire in case of emergency

[fluid lintel]

caly is not physically bulky and can get ohko'd

to fs

inciting protects

[pearl valley]

150 defense stat and bro says it’s not physically bulky

[fluid lintel]

Its obvious I was mentioning the other one :/

caly-S

anyway back to tera fire which is literally dealt with on paper, at the fact that it can't really outdamage slitherwing, dying down to either chienpao ruination/bolt strike or I can go to Groudon and see how I can maneuver the game depending on the other mon

[pearl valley]

there are no sets that run ruination

[fluid lintel]

☠️

yeah ok nvm

[pearl valley]

also ruination can’t kill a pokemon

and by kill i mean ko

[fluid lintel]

do you want me to just give you a real check

of how to comprehend what I said

ruination used by 2 top 100 jp nats and was used onMichael kelsh's 11-1 wc run with dnite

was used for high ladder on James baek's videos

it does a raw 50% of a mons health no matter what

chienpao's ability lowers defense, allowing bolt strike to finish assuming that they're chipped by fs

[pearl valley]

thats zekrom’s signature move and if you’re talking about miraidon it’s a special attacker…

[fluid lintel]

oh

what?

[pearl valley]

bolt strike is zekrom’s signature move

[fluid lintel]

I meant wild charge

[pearl valley]

where are the movesets

[fluid lintel]

I gotta open my laptop to send

this was just the source team that I was scribbling on phone before I made it (this happened around Portland regionals)

[pearl valley]

wild charge only does a fifth

as a high roll

with 252 hp evs

with sword of ruin around 30%

[ripe turret]

consider in elec terrain

also

are we actually unironically using slither wing

like it is genuinely so bad

its speed tier is complete garbage

like you have to commit tera to even kill anything

it dies to literally anything on the physical side

you're never going to kill shadow rider because it just outspeeds and ohkos you

ice rider absolutely can outdamage you btw

hhp is an ohko on tera fire and glance does like 80%

not to mention it loses to like every other restricted

korai nukes it, mirai nukes it, zac nukes it, ogre nukes it, you can't kill lunala

[pearl valley]

fr too fast for trick room too slow for tailwind

[ripe turret]

like the only restricted you're positive into is pagos

and no one uses pagos

[fluid lintel]

what am I seeing

[ripe turret]

lmao

[fluid lintel]

vgc reg I "noone uses pagos"

blasphemy of the highest degree

[pearl valley]

shit speed

[fluid lintel]

what was I pinged for

[ripe turret]

good question

wild charge calc

[fluid lintel]

k :p

[ripe turret]

but anyway yeah pagos didn't do like anything at worlds

idt there was even one in top cut

or like anywhere near that

[fluid lintel]

The 9999 koraidon's in circulation after the tera pagos miraidon fell off

let's be real here, no worlds player probably had the balls to bring it out at that point, but use the best well PRONOUNCEd teams and built for it OR built around it

[pearl valley]

its stats suck for a restricted

you need to tera it for it to be good

and you lose tera shell

[fluid lintel]

I believe there's more top 100 players in showdown using terapagos on teams than caly zama

[pearl valley]

which means 1 close combat from urshifu and goodbye

[fluid lintel]

Neapoleon ☠️

[ripe turret]

well ok

[fluid lintel]

okay man by your logic

koraidon's bad

[ripe turret]

it deals pretty solid damage non-terastalized

[pearl valley]

im talking about terapagos not koraidon

[fluid lintel]

I say the only bad thing about it is that it REALLY needs that one free turn for cm

[ripe turret]

and I think it lives cc from urshifu actually

[fluid lintel]

other than that nothing

[fluid lintel]

e.seed terapagos

[ripe turret]

even without it lol

[fluid lintel]

nah

without shell up you're dead

[ripe turret]

yeah it does

[fluid lintel]

maybe if it's jolly

if that's what you mean

[ripe turret]

252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid Strike Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tera-Stellar Terapagos-Stellar: 210-248 (78.6 - 92.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[fluid lintel]

but the format demanded banded urshifus all around

[ripe turret]

that's on a cm set

[fluid lintel]

don't tera it, and it has to be chipped to like 92% so it's a roll either way

anyways I gotta scroll up

[ripe turret]

ok but anyway, point being slither wing is fake

[fluid lintel]

🤡

[ripe turret]

its only good matchup is into the restricted that nobody uses

[fluid lintel]

what?

[ripe turret]

what?

[fluid lintel]

the only bad restricted it's probably going against is korai

[ripe turret]

you either tera or sun is up

[fluid lintel]

one sec

getting sun up isn't needed but it's literally primary

[ripe turret]

eh I guess

[fluid lintel]

for any user needed in the sun it's the same unless booster

[ripe turret]

but like

its speed tier is still garbage

[fluid lintel]

speed tier is eh

Just invest evs into it

☠️

literally

[ripe turret]

it hits 130 max investment 💀

[sturdy pecan]

https://pokepast.es/db408d8d2f38be5 rate? and if ur rating reply to this messge

[fluid lintel]

dawg

[ripe turret]

143 with timid

[fluid lintel]

why would you use max spe

you just want to get 122

[ripe turret]

actually it hits 133 max investment

but yeah

[ripe turret]

says the page doesn't exist

[fluid lintel]

TR is not as obnoxious as you think, unless your going against damn miraidon x lunala/ursa or a standard TR psy comp

and in that regard you usually just play around them trying to get the TR up but denying it

secondly tf is that take

[sturdy pecan]

oh shit ur right lemme fix

[fluid lintel]

slither literally takes out common threats in the meta game to miraidon, allowing him to sweep later

[ripe turret]

so does like

other much better mons that also do better into other restricteds

[fluid lintel]

and even then he does his job well, fs is way too demanding

??

name some that would do just as good for my team comp

[ripe turret]

chi-yu?

fits well with sun, boosts mirai, covers basically everything slither does

except for like dark types ig

[sturdy pecan]

https://pokepast.es/0a9f4167df1eba11i fixed it

wait nv mind

its broen stil

[ripe turret]

was aboutta say lol

[sturdy pecan]

https://pokepast.es/54021939e7aa1f4a

ok now it works

im a new teambuilder kinda

i js got out sample teams

and stuff

[ripe turret]

ok

rain and sun are very conflicting cores

I would not suggest running them together

[fluid lintel]

🤦

imo

[sturdy pecan]

ok ill fix

[fluid lintel]

interesting

[ripe turret]

you could lowkey just replace kyogre with lunala and tornadus with like incineroar

and it would be mostly fixed

[sturdy pecan]

ok

thx

[ripe turret]

other than the sets ofc

those need some work

[sturdy pecan]

and should i run tera fire on koraidon?

[sturdy pecan]

ok

[ripe turret]

yes absolutely

use flare blitz instead of dragon claw

[sturdy pecan]

ok

[ripe turret]

and protect over collision course

you don't need two fighting moves

[sturdy pecan]

ok

[ripe turret]

jolly nature is better so that you can outspeed as much as possible

[sturdy pecan]

kk

[ripe turret]

covert cloak for bonnet so it can avoid fake out

make it a defensive set

[sturdy pecan]

kk

[sturdy pecan]

so like js change evs onto defense

[ripe turret]

and rage powder over protect

[ripe turret]

pretty much, there should be a set on the smogdex

[sturdy pecan]

ok

[ripe turret]

invest the points from ursa's defenses into its hp

[sturdy pecan]

alr

[ripe turret]

and run icy wind over dazzling gleam on flutter for an alternative form of speed control

[sturdy pecan]

ok ty

[ripe turret]

also change the teras for flutter and ursa

stellar/normal on flutter and ghost on ursa are best

[sturdy pecan]

ok

any other mons need tera changes

or nah

[ripe turret]

since you're replacing torn and ogre everything else is ok

[sturdy pecan]

for bonnet what spread do i do

cuz on smogdex

its like a offensive kinda

[ripe turret]

that's probably for singles

[sturdy pecan]

ye

thts why

[ripe turret]

you want to go to vgc reg i

[fluid lintel]

chat, does anyone have the standard bulky offense korai set

[sturdy pecan]

yup

[ripe turret]

Brute Bonnet @ Covert Cloak
Level: 50
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 SpD
Tera Type: Water
Impish Nature

• Sucker Punch
• Spore
• Rage Powder
• Seed Bomb
  here's the set in case you're curious

[sturdy pecan]

lr thx

also im running lunala should i run like an extrmee bulky one w trick room and max ursa good in trick room?

[fluid lintel]

when will the next sample teams come out

[ripe turret]

Koraidon @ Clear Amulet
Level: 50
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
EVs: 28 HP / 196 Atk / 4 Def / 28 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Adamant Nature

• Protect
• Flare Blitz
• Flame Charge
• Close Combat
  is this it?

[fluid lintel]

I'll send a set

[sturdy pecan]

alr ty

[fluid lintel]

That's life orb..

[ripe turret]

Koraidon @ Clear Amulet
Level: 50
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
EVs: 236 HP / 196 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 68 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Jolly Nature

• Collision Course
• Flare Blitz
• Flame Charge
• Protect
  here we are

[ripe turret]

Lunala @ Power Herb
Level: 50
Ability: Shadow Shield
EVs: 252 HP / 12 Def / 100 SpA / 92 SpD / 52 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Water
Modest Nature

• Moongeist Beam
• Meteor Beam
• Wide Guard
• Trick Room
  this is the set I would recommend

[fluid lintel]

on koraidon

[ripe turret]

yeah right above

[fluid lintel]

no

wait

[ripe turret]

?

oh sorry lol

go ahead

[sturdy pecan]

ok ty

reg j is the new reg strting in sep right?

[ripe turret]

yes

[fluid lintel]

I wasn't looking at the smogon provided one I was about to suggest a lunala set, but you got it

use his set

my internet

bro

my internet

...

[sturdy pecan]

i did

also on ursa dio i lower speed for trick room?

wiart no

its alr at lowest

nv mind

[ripe turret]

probably not

being able to function outside of TR is nice

[sturdy pecan]

oh ok

ill keep it how it is

ill find a good incin set

[ripe turret]

kk

I would suggest the AV one

just so you can deal with csr a lot better

actually

scratch that

run the safety goggles set

[sturdy pecan]

zlr

[pearl valley]

https://pokepast.es/cd971faf71a83235 this team is trash and is not viable at all can someone help

i wanna bring this to a tournament

[ripe turret]

bro fr said that and then pulled out the one of the most viable looking teams

I think garchomp is a bit much here

seeing as you already have dnite

[sturdy pecan]

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Level: 50
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Atk / 188 Def / 68 SpD / 4 Spe
Tera Type: Bug
Impish Nature

• Fake Out
• Knock Off
• Flare Blitz
• Parting Shot

this?

[ripe turret]

I also feel that electabuzz is better than magmar in general

[ripe turret]

tera ghost over bug, but yeah

[sturdy pecan]

alr thx

[pearl valley]

in a meta with crazy physical mons you gotta have will o wisp

[ripe turret]

well blitz actually does good damage under sun

it's worth the trade-off imo

[sturdy pecan]

my team lowk js looks nice giovvanis team in the final but besides incin he used raging bolt or smth i forgot

[ripe turret]

I mean

he won

so you can't really go wrong with building off his team lol

[pearl valley]

in all seriousness though i got to 1700s with this team

on my other account because stupid me forgot the password

[ripe turret]

on bo3?

[pearl valley]

And i had to ceate the one i use now

on normal

[ripe turret]

oh

[sturdy pecan]

yea

[sturdy pecan]

yes

[pearl valley]

i lowkey think this might cook at a tournament

[ripe turret]

yeah it looks pretty decent tbh

just uh

why tera fire magmar and ground chomp

[pearl valley]

my bad that was supposed to be ghost for magmar

[ripe turret]

ah ok

[pearl valley]

ground chomp for damage

[ripe turret]

I guess I can understand ground on chomp yeah

it ohkos gholdengo I think

[sturdy pecan]

sneasler pmo but no hate to it

[ripe turret]

lol that's real though

[sturdy pecan]

i hate dire claw

[pearl valley]

”as long as it doesn’t get sleep, i win”

[sturdy pecan]

🙏

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/f39ea7d991b07cbf
How's this regulation h team

[fluid lintel]

sample hard TR

[pearl valley]

thats probably not even your team

[ripe turret]

dude...there's no need for that

it doesn't even matter

like why do you care if it's "their team" or not

[pearl valley]

this channel is literally called “rate my team”

[fluid lintel]

Its actually called VGC rates man

[ripe turret]

well

[fluid lintel]

secondly I'm completely back

[ripe turret]

the channel is called that

the thread is called VGC rates

but like

so what?

[fluid lintel]

dawg

[ripe turret]

are you really gonna argue over semantics?

[fluid lintel]

its VGC rates

anyways

I'm back for the reason why I was pinged

[ripe turret]

the point of this channel is so that people can get teams rated, it doesn't matter if it's their team or someone else's

[fluid lintel]

first of all I nearly cringed at the fact he tried to guess bolt's calc

holy heck

[ripe turret]

?

[fluid lintel]

actually probably the least of my concerns when you look at a team comp and your incapable of understanding the idea of how the tools work together

god dude it's almost as if he thought slither was an only option

[ripe turret]

ruination + wild charge in eterrain is a KO

[fluid lintel]

common meta threats to slith that I struggled against are most commonly g-weezing korai

[ripe turret]

without terrain it's not

[fluid lintel]

you don't need eterrain

that's another guess

:/

[ripe turret]

...

I'm literally on the damage calc right now

[fluid lintel]

dawg

lmk when you actually calced it

252 adamant lorb

[ripe turret]

you run lorb on hands?

or are we talking about something else

[fluid lintel]

what?!

slither wing

[ripe turret]

ohhhhhhhh

mb mb I thought you were talking about hands

lmao

[fluid lintel]

hands is so decent

just nerf it already

[ripe turret]

wait I feel like we're not on the same page here

what are you calcing for?

I thought it was wild charge + ruination against tera fire caly

bruh slither wing doesn't even ohko incineroar with cc after intimidate

anyways

[narrow dock]

That's not exactly a rating for the team

[fluid lintel]

does that even matter 😭

[ripe turret]

uh, yes, I would think so

that’s like

such an important calc to have

[fluid lintel]

with sword of ruin too?!

anyways it wouldn't really be my priority to kill incin

[frosty crow]

Hey guys I am getting back into the game preparing for the new format when it drop what could be the fatal flaw ( I already now about trick room team)

[void jungle]

Not sure if Deoxys-A is better than Calyrex-S

Also most movesets are shoddy

And Incin is 95% times better than Lando-T

[wary basin]

Can someone rate my team

I'm new to competitive, and this is based on some light Smogon readings and pokemon I like

Most/all in OU

Corviknight @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Unnerve
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Iron Defense
• Roost
• U-turn
• Brave Bird

Kingambit @ Black Glasses
Ability: Defiant
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Kowtow Cleave
• Brick Break
• Iron Head
• Swords Dance

Cinderace @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Libero
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• U-turn
• Gunk Shot
• Pyro Ball
• Low Sweep

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Knock Off
• U-turn
• Synthesis

Dragapult @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

• Hex
• Thunder Wave
• Dragon Darts
• U-turn

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Ability: Inner Focus
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Fire Punch
• Ice Spinner
• Outrage
• Extreme Speed

[void jungle]

#1297721195604611163

This is for VGC

[frosty crow]

thanks

[frosty crow]

what would you change I based it on smogons recommendation for VGC

[void jungle]

First off
Why Dark Pulse over Shadow Ball on Mane?

[frosty crow]

I play mane with whim on T1 it can clutch a turn on caly S that was my thinking

[void jungle]

And how is Dark Pulse better?

[frosty crow]

both have the same 20% and i have a 4x against calyrex typing

[void jungle]

But Mane's Shadow Ball is stronger coz of STAB

It ain't deep

[frosty crow]

what would play on the incin classic support build or something else ?

[void jungle]

Yeah standard Incin

Maybe Goggles for Amoonguss

[frosty crow]

Yeah already placed on him

now time to search for a secret pick as my last poke

[void jungle]

Ok, now that we have Caly-S over Deoxys-A, I think Mane isn't actually needed

Mane is only good with Koraidon

In restricted metas

[frosty crow]

I've remade a team with caly S in mind it goes like this

[broken shuttle]

you're allowed two restricteds and you only have one here

make urshifu zamazenta-c and whimsicott booster energy raging bolt

[frosty crow]

which poke should i change rilla or ogerpon ?

[void jungle]

Ogerpon-H is redundant af here

Keep Rilla

[broken shuttle]

neither

drop urshifu for zamazenta-c and drop whimsicott for raging bolt

[frosty crow]

Im gonna make a shit ton of team to try every possibility god damn

[frosty crow]

thanks you both for your input

[pearl valley]

https://pokepast.es/4c3f023454abe0fb redid the team and swapped xamazenta for calyrex ice because bolt beam

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[marsh frigate]

https://pokepast.es/4da7ee818377bb49 i tried making a variant of marco’s team except with h lilligant. i’m not really sure if jumpluff does much for the team, though that could just be a skill issue on my part

[ripe turret]

double sleep powder is definitely redundant here

I think even if you don’t use zard, you could try something like typhlosion-h or something

[marsh frigate]

thanks

[pearl valley]

so is this decent

[royal kernel]

https://pokepast.es/6056ca5b09d93fe4 havent tested it yet, but is there any thing that i could change?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[prisma olive]

ill do a bit of commenting

generally, you dont run life orb abd u-turn together, so you can choose to either swap u-turn to protect, or swap lorb to scarf/band

i think you can just run water spout rather than calm mind, since youre playing tailwind. with water spout + tailwind, you can get immediate damage rather than having to setup a turn

speaking of tailwind, for kyogre teams, tornadus would be more fitting for kyogre teams cuz of it being able to manually set rain, giving you weather control. on a side note, even if u wanna use whimsi, go for either 220 speed or 252 speed, any lower and you might as well not invest any speed, unless theres a specific reasoning for it

now the pao, the only item you should run pao with is focus sash, since its very frail. av doesnt help it much either

finally, if you want a redirector, brute bonnet isnt your best choice. generally you would wanna use amoonguss over brute bonnet, cuz amoonguss typing is a lot better than brute bonnet.

cmiiw

oh one more thing, drain punch urshifu isnt the greatest thing, as its not that bulky

youre better off with smth like aqua jet for priority

[sleek laurel]

Is this for Reg J? You only have one Restricted in the form of Kyogre

[ripe turret]

just one note, AV pao is very much a thing, but only with a support set and bulk, and yes I think sash here is better.

[royal kernel]

i did think of tornadus but i thought whimsi would help me more due to helping hand, and the speed shouldnt be much of a thing cause its function is pretty much just setting tailwind

[royal kernel]

arent urshifu and kyogre restricted?

[sleek laurel]

Ursh is not a restricted lol

It’s a sublegend, not a mythical

It’s like the Ruin Pokémon

But I see where the confusion comes from now

Not every Legendary is Restricted tho

[royal kernel]

oh i got it

i thought it was too strong to be free to use

[safe imp]

I wish

[sharp elm]

https://pokepast.es/a12767526b2fe8ba

RMT?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fluid lintel]

s had god timing

[pearl valley]

base ursaluna > kingambit

[royal kernel]

remade this team but still struggling against miraidon and trick room comps, dont know what i should do

https://pokepast.es/bb16e3389d699882

[fluid lintel]

go to smogon and use a different lunala set, usually opting for 252 hp with a bit more in sp.def and a modest nature with the moveset
TR
moongeist beam
moonblast
wide guard
(Tera fairy)

I'm only suggesting this because you seem to want to run lunala, I think you'd just find more success using zacian over lunala to keep the entire team structure

secondly use banded or scarf ursh, lorb ursh isn't what you want, you need something that'll either work best outside of TR or not awkward in TR and without turn 1 TW with chienpao or kyogre support

lastly you can switch incineroar to smth like tornadus, and use 252 hp +172 spdef calm amoonguss

[sleek laurel]

i'm here

[fluid lintel]

I think it'll help sponge attacks better

[sleek laurel]

lemme catch up on all this

[sleek laurel]

ok uh

[sleek laurel]

i was literally going to say this

[fluid lintel]

let him use the sample zacian team and get inspiration

[sleek laurel]

but it's already been said

that said tho

hold up delivery

[fluid lintel]

or better idea

keep amoonguss but run lando n tornadus 🤣

boom your team has a mode

or last suggestion, use something insane like regieleki and use TR set for lunala with av kyo

[sleek laurel]

Chien-Pao should run only once Ice-type STAB move, replace the other with Sucker Punch, and Protect > Sacred Sword

Keeping Sacred Sword and dropping Crunch is also an option (but I don’t like it much) but Protect and Sucker punch are needed

Kyogre should be Tera Grass, the defensive benefits are far worth more than just STAB Thunder, which you would only click on Water-types anyway

Ursh should be Scarf, it’s fine otherwise

Lunala should really just be a Zacian-C or Zamazenta-C here, Lunala + Kyogre is not a particularly good pairing. Both are fine, Zacian helps further against Miraidon and is faster while Zamazenta is a better defensive piece and relies less on Tailwind

Amoonguss and Incin are fine moves-wise (Protect on Amoong over Giga Drain tho), check SmogDex for Spreads is all

Tbh

I think regardless of the second Restricted

You can probably replace Urshifu with Tornadus

[royal kernel]

lunala here is fully supportive, im running it due to its capacity to set tailwind and helping hand which are the cores of my team

[fluid lintel]

look at the text above

[sleek laurel]

I get it, but you probably don’t

[fluid lintel]

gameplay wise it just doesn't work

[sleek laurel]

Want your Restricted to be a Tailwind and Helping Hand not

[prisma olive]

prankster tailwind is just better, especially since the speed dynamics has changed

[sleek laurel]

Yea

[fluid lintel]

sacrificing shadow shield for speed control that's not even guaranteed, possibly taking your tera too just to keep it in, on a double restricted lead if that's what I assume you'd want... Then the scenarios against prankster tw, encore taunt

lunala doesn't have positives into those matchups

[sleek laurel]

And also Lunala’s Tailwind is kinda slow

[prisma olive]

agreed

[sleek laurel]

Which is why it fares better as a Trick Room setter

[royal kernel]

didnt knew where to fit my other restricted

[sleek laurel]

Yea I saw that

I would probably go the lines of Zac-C or Zama-C

[fluid lintel]

zacian boiiii

[prisma olive]

try out stallsun suggestions, i second those

[sleek laurel]

They both have the best synergy with Kyogre, pair incredibly well with Chien-Pao

And the rest is standard stuff

Ty btw Tao and Tethering

[fluid lintel]

bruh

[prisma olive]

youre welcome

[royal kernel]

but then if i swapped lunala to zacian

wich mon i should throw away

to keep speed control

and helping hand

[fluid lintel]

incine and run scarfshu

[royal kernel]

urshi?

[sleek laurel]

You don’t need Helping Hand, trust me

And

Either probably Ursh due to type overlap

If you go the Zama route then Ursh 1000%

[royal kernel]

ok

[sleek laurel]

If you go the Zacian route then still probs Ursh the rest is too key

[fluid lintel]

man

I think we just forgot about rillaboom existing

😭

[royal kernel]

tbh i made this team just to play with urshi, but didnt like it much

[prisma olive]

lol

[sleek laurel]

Ironically

Kyogre is one of the Restricteds that

Least use Urshifu

[fluid lintel]

CAP

[sleek laurel]

It’s common to think

“Oh, Rain-boosted Surging”

[royal kernel]

yea...

[sleek laurel]

But you end up with a lot of type overlap

[sleek laurel]

Not cap

Not to say Kyogre Ursh is bad

[fluid lintel]

nah tera ghost rain boosted scarf is such a threat it made top 1 on the ladder for literal months

[royal kernel]

idk im not used to vgc and it felt like it would be a great strat

[sleek laurel]

But like

[sleek laurel]

On Reg G

It was more common

But on Reg G

Ursh was everywhere

And far moreso than on Reg I

[fluid lintel]

ok

anyways

[sleek laurel]

Anyway

[fluid lintel]

he should just rillaboom!!!

[sleek laurel]

Its good yea but this team probably struggles to fit it

[sleek laurel]

What does Rilla

Offer that’s better than

What he has for this team?

[royal kernel]

i was thinking of whimsi

[fluid lintel]

https://pokepast.es/b3c248bdb6c77667

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[royal kernel]

instead of urshi

[sleek laurel]

Whimsi is fine but Torn is a better tailwind setter for Kyogre

[fluid lintel]

he should switch his team structure and run the incine rilla ursh core

[prisma olive]

nah, if youre palying kyogre then you would always take torna over whimsi

[sleek laurel]

Can you

[fluid lintel]

kyogre likes to have the core alot

[sleek laurel]

There are

Zero Swordfish Incin Rilla Ursh teams

In Reg I

[fluid lintel]

lies

you haven't seen it

[sleek laurel]

And while there are actually

A handful of Swordfish with Urshifu

It’s hard to fit it properly

[sleek laurel]

Ok fine 0 is an overstatement but

It’s really not

How the core is played atm

You really want Tailwind
You really want a Trick Room answer
You really want coverage

[fluid lintel]

uhh

I agree

[royal kernel]

with torn wouldnt i still struggle to miraidon comps?

[sleek laurel]

Zacian-C helps a lot with that

So does Fake Out

[fluid lintel]

https://pokepast.es/b3c248bdb6c77667

[sleek laurel]

And so does Tera Grass Kyogre

[prisma olive]

you have plenty of other matchups to be wary other than mirai comps

[sleek laurel]

I’ll get to this soon

[sleek laurel]

And yes, Mirai is a bit of a tough matchup for Kyo in theory

Zac-C minimizes that a lot and from there you have to worry abt more stuff

[fluid lintel]

I think that he should really opt for rillaboom incine anyway

[royal kernel]

but as i played miraidon comps and trick room comps are the ones that i had the worst matchup against

[prisma olive]

yeah, cuz you didnt have an answer for it back then

zacian-c solves that

[sleek laurel]

Rilla Incineroar is viable too

[fluid lintel]

miraidon lunala

you are straight cooked

[sleek laurel]

But like

[fluid lintel]

😭

dude I suggest he grab a swordfish sample team

it includes them both

I'm just gonna get it

[sleek laurel]

You really can’t fit Ursh if you do Rilla Incin tho, esp since Tailwind is mandatory

[distant trellis]

^

Ursh on swordfish is cool in theory but it's usually not worth the slot

[royal kernel]

i was going to like
urshi to torn
lunala to zacian-c

[sleek laurel]

This

[sleek laurel]

This

Is what I’d do

And then like

[prisma olive]

this looks solid

[sleek laurel]

You can consider Rilla > Amoong but I genuinely

Don’t like it

You have more to worry about than Electro Drift

[fluid lintel]

why?

[royal kernel]

neither

[fluid lintel]

electro drift becomes more manageable

[sleek laurel]

Because

[fluid lintel]

and fake out otw

[royal kernel]

honestly i like amoonguss

[distant trellis]

Amoongus provides that redirector

[sleek laurel]

You have a Tera Grass Kyogre, a Zacian-C with Tailwind and a Fake Out user already

[distant trellis]

Which is never a bad thing

Yeah

You can cover mirai

[prisma olive]

yup

[distant trellis]

And you have pao right

[prisma olive]

that should be enough counterplay for it

[distant trellis]

Or did you drop it

[prisma olive]

i think he did

i dunno lemme check

oh he didnt

[royal kernel]

does pao synergizes well with zacian?

[sleek laurel]

He has Pao still

[distant trellis]

Pao zac is fine

[sleek laurel]

Yes Pao is good on these comps a lot

[fluid lintel]

yea

[prisma olive]

it does nicely

[royal kernel]

ok

[distant trellis]

Pao is good with kyogre too

[sleek laurel]

And it’s like

[royal kernel]

nevet thought abt it

[sleek laurel]

Yea

[distant trellis]

Since pao threatens lunala and mirai who annoy kyogre

If you rly rly don't like mirai

[royal kernel]

aint a big pao fan but fitted it due to its ability

[distant trellis]

Run ice spinner and then just remove terrain

Plus it allows ur amoongus to spore again

[prisma olive]

pao is nice generally

[torpid mason]

Hey, just a reminder for some of this conversation that if you're going to provide input or contest a rater's input that you do such in a constructive manner and justify your position

[sleek laurel]

I would 100% do that

[distant trellis]

And gives you some outs against mirai cir

[sleek laurel]

Let me

Slam this in a paste for ya

[torpid mason]

we want to provide good outcomes for those coming here for advice, so we'd like a deviating position from what our raters feel is sound to have some thought behind it rather than being a throwaway remark on things

thanks

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/dc3e79930ab2a929

Try this out

Kyogre spread is bulkier than standard but you have no Icy Wind/Electroweb which makes the other Speed benchmarks useless

Rest is standard SmogDex spreads

[sonic wind]

youd probably want Hydro > Opulse / Thunder

[sleek laurel]

Oh good eye

[sonic wind]

if Zac isnt running Sacred Zama becomes extremely annoying

[sleek laurel]

They had Thunder before and I kept it because they have a Chien-Pao

But you can deffo do Triple Water or Hydro > Opulse

[sonic wind]

cuz its usually alongside CSR, Amoonguss is an inconsistent way to shut it down and you want to dump lots of damage on it
as someone who has played pre much exclusively swordfish

on this team Id probably keep Thunder, Tera Water Caly-I kinda dunks on the rest of the team

[royal kernel]

gonna try it

thx yall

[sleek laurel]

Np and gl!

[sleek laurel]

Yea same

[prisma olive]

quick question, whats the 92 speed on torna for?

[sleek laurel]

Base 90s

But tbh

You can do anything w that

It helps when you’re clicking Bleakwind Storm against opposing Tailwind

But that’s niche stuff

[prisma olive]

oo i see i see

thx

[fluid lintel]

@royal kernel I'm back

[royal kernel]

supp

[fluid lintel]

https://pokepast.es/e3c9a725306c1674
common metathread, I knew I had a zacian kyogre anti meta sample team. I thought that we all had in mind the same mind game when we're using this type of team.. firstly, you don't really have much of an idea with this team to begin with, as it's completely matchup dependable and your main idea is to do so much damage the opponent is incapable of recovering back to a position where they can win, and vice versa to us as well. I think this was months back when the format began inadept versions of miraidon x terapagos, miraidon lunala, koraidon x zacian. (AND just like all teams, there's no immunities to CSR booming everywhere all over the place)
..

the next one I think is a unique kyogre zacian team and the idea for Pikachu is just to cover miraidon, anyways the same thing said above applies to it, but it can operate in TR conditions to some extent, providing fake out support and ways to leverage CSR.. I think this team loses to most korai/CSR comps so I don't recommend it at all, since the other one had methods to apply more damage and pressure to the opponent, and that's of course because of tera fire.. is a B)
https://pokepast.es/dc8f2a96391d8156
(Use dual screens)
also you should replace galarian Moltres or just plop cheempao there for something more viable so I'll leave that to your choice

y internet sucks

standard version was looking smth like https://pokepast.es/06661415e60bcc81

[royal kernel]

at first i made this team think bout rain +tailwind urshi, but idk even urshi being strong af i wasnt being able to extract the best of it

just a little dumb question

what is CSR?

[fluid lintel]

calyrex shadow rider

[royal kernel]

ah ok

im thinking bout fully removing urshi

[fluid lintel]

ursh is still a staple that should be used on most rain teams last time I checked, but now it's suboptimal, having two type weaknesses is redundant as if it's less favorable you just don't bring it,

as it's still REALLY good to have, because the opponent might prepare for it but you bringing smth else might make you be in the lead

for chienpao HO with kyo zacian I think they all used torn and landorus with amoonguss

[royal kernel]

idk all my games i was setting up for him

[fluid lintel]

lorb ursh is bad