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[burnt surge]

Corv doesn't fit the pace of this team

[lusty cloud]

im new soz :P

wait if my weakness is calyrex should i run tailwind flamigo

scrappy?

[burnt surge]

Your weakness is Caly I, not Caly S

[lusty cloud]

ohhhh

walking wake has weather ball

[lofty urchin]

if u set up sun koraidon u should ohko

flare blitz

[burnt surge]

They can Tera tho

[lusty cloud]

what would they mainly tera into

[burnt surge]

And having an option under TR is useful

Which makes me think of Torkoal

Anti-TR option that can reset sun

[lusty cloud]

?

ohhh trick room

thats TR

[burnt surge]

Yes

[lusty cloud]

Wake, Torkoal, Korai, Chien, Flutter

one more

[burnt surge]

Last is your second restricted

[lusty cloud]

is it not REG G

[burnt surge]

So the current metagame is Reg G, but the metagame starting next month is Reg I

[lusty cloud]

ohhh

[burnt surge]

If it was Reg G then I wouldn't recommend you build around Koraidon

[lusty cloud]

i thought we were building around walking wake

[burnt surge]

Because it's not going to let you play the game

In Reg G you don't build around non-Restricted Pokemon

[lusty cloud]

oh i gotta eat dinner brb'

soz

[burnt surge]

I gotta sleep anyway

[lusty cloud]

alg

[flat oyster]

https://pokepast.es/3c20511d935e3f84 How do I deal with Trick Room effectively with this team? I have been doing good so far with it as the speed on the team really outpaces everyone.

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[broken shuttle]

moonblast> taunt whims

[ripe turret]

would change to a standard bulky incineroar (252hp 164def 100spdef with impish and 27 speed EVs) maybe?

[broken shuttle]

and use this spread on fm:
Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Level: 50
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 244 HP / 132 Def / 4 SpA / 4 SpD / 124 Spe
Tera Type: Fairy
Timid Nature

• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball
• Icy Wind
• Protect

[flat oyster]

Makes sense, incin is outsped by everything. After fo and intim it’s really parting shot out for me.

[broken shuttle]

try substitute over draining kiss on caly

& make it tera water

[flat oyster]

Any water stabs?

[broken shuttle]

also your incin should have 31 speed ivs

[flat oyster]

I should consider?

[broken shuttle]

no

it doesn't have any

[flat oyster]

F

[broken shuttle]

it's a defensive tera

[flat oyster]

I usually run fairy for the mirror or dark stab bait

But I’ll check ev spread and sub

[broken shuttle]

fairy doesn't rly help the mirror

[ripe turret]

tera water is strong into cir

[broken shuttle]

yeah

and koraidon to an extent

[flat oyster]

Kk

Adjusting EVs...

(https://pokepast.es/af77aa79344a349a)

https://pokepast.es/d98dfa8fbeb9cbd5 Okay second team needs review. I am unsure on what to put in as my last two pokemon for this composition.

I have been thinking about it for awhile with many adjustments. Indeedee and necrozma on start is a really powerful wombo combo with the current meta. (The Dawn Wing is custom and not smogon standard. I want the team built around it)

I am struggling against ss dogs primarily. I put some ground stabs in for that. Each has either good defense or good spd.

[ripe turret]

honestly, would replace ursa-b with lando-i as it’s generally more consistent as a ground type and ursa is also really awkward at max speed with no tailwind. lando-t is also not the best in the current format and if you want to replace ursaluna then you also need to replace lando-t (maybe with something like firepon as another check to the dogs if you want?) minimum speed urshifu is also kinda weird, scarffu could work as a faster option out of TR but it depends

[flat oyster]

ill look for alternatives and throw pon in

[flat oyster]

https://pokepast.es/f74771ab94b8ace5 current for above

[gloomy birch]

COME ON

YUKI

gz to daneil yu

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/23ed00a169a3b333 Probably my best one so far

[broken shuttle]

swap to scarf urshifu, drop light screen on farigaraf for foul play, go tornadus over whimsicott with tailwind/taunt/rain dance/bleakwind storm or hurricane and the covert cloak, drop either ice beam or thunder for protect on ogre

you need protect on kyogre

[lavish nexus]

why torn over whimsicott?

whim outspeeds

[broken shuttle]

doesn't matter

you prefer torn's flying STAB being able to hit rillaboom and amoonguss

• torn can taunt zamazenta or lunala to prevent wide guard

[lavish nexus]

196+ SpA Kyogre Ice Beam vs. Lvl 50 244 HP / 76 SpD Amoonguss: 496-584 (225.4 - 265.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

even with 252+ SpD it kills

[lavish nexus]

Swapped it with thunder since ice and water already cover what electric does

[lunar wedge]

Thunder hits water

[shadow mason]

https://pokepast.es/dbecdd7e988427d2 trying to make Zard work in Reg I, any advice on how I can improve my team?

[lavish nexus]

Use indeedee for terrain control, shutting down trick room, and psyspam on lunala

[shadow mason]

Alrighty

Thanks!

[shadow mason]

Who should I replace for Indeedee?

Incin?

[lavish nexus]

Depends, what's the idea behind charizard?

You already have groudon to sweep

Also you'll wanna think about playing around kyogre teams

[shadow mason]

I have Bolt for Kyogre but IDK if it'll be enough

[shadow mason]

I believe it has potential because of how strong it can be under sun with solar power

I'm just trying to find out how to give it a niche over Chi Yu

It seems like a great offensive breaker with weather ball and heat wave

Plus it has a unique coverage option with solar beam

[lavish nexus]

99% of kyogres run tera grass

[shadow mason]

yeah true

Might need to try some different options then for this team

[lavish nexus]

You wanna try a few practice games against a kyogre team?

I need to try it out against groudon anyways

[shadow mason]

yeah sure

With the Indeedee too or no?

Actually probably yeah lol

[shadow mason]

Sending an invite :D

[broken shuttle]

you're level 100 kyogre in that calc

196+ SpA Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 244 HP / 76 SpD Amoonguss: 134-158 (60.9 - 71.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[sleek laurel]

LOL

Reminds of the time me and someone in chat were calcing Palafin-Zero stuff without realizing

We’ve all been there fr

[flat oyster]

I’d love to practice if you are still down

[shadow mason]

Heya, I appreciate the request! I’m currently doing some homework (and I need to revamp the team), but I’ll let you know later if I can play if that’s alright with you.

[wheat estuary]

https://pokepast.es/c57def6fb0ff3a3f

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wheat estuary]

i havent touched vgc in like a year and was never good to begin with lol

[broken shuttle]

i'd go tera water amoonguss and put life orb or magnet on bolt

but it looks good other than that

[wheat estuary]

oh fr?

i was kinda just blindly doing this

no diff ev spreads?

[lyric void]

Can someone help me build a snow team for reg I

[broken shuttle]

i think they're fine for now just change them if smth comes up in testing

[ripe turret]

sure, send the paste

[tall trail]

https://pokepast.es/2efe7076e781bd0d

Current team set up which has done somewhat well. I just want to know if there are any adjustments I should make. Reg I VGC

[broken shuttle]

drop clam on urshifu for either mystic water or sash

and u turn for tect

[lyric void]

Dope

[broken shuttle]

also coaching for aqua jet

everything else is good

[lyric void]

https://pokepast.es/2af8bd54d5a0ff27

[tall trail]

I'm using coaching to boost Zacian. Originally, Ursh had Choice scarf with aqua jet, but I thought coach would help better with Zacian

[broken shuttle]

ursh won't ever outspeed zacian tho

so there's not rly a point

also

[tall trail]

no, I mean to boost my zacian

[broken shuttle]

you'd much rather send damage with urshifu

[tall trail]

oh wait

i see

[tall trail]

got it

thanks

[broken shuttle]

[lyric void]

I made some adjustments hold up

[ripe turret]

honestly don’t really see a world where abomasnow is better than ninetales so change that, slowking is very suspect, would go sash on bundle so you can go tera fairy specs on mirai

[ripe turret]

oh lol ok

[lyric void]

Yeah I changed to nine tails

[ripe turret]

honestly though why are you running snow if you don’t want to use kyu-w

[lyric void]

https://pokepast.es/f081991ac6801212

[lyric void]

I’d totally use kyu w

Just thought caly mirai went harder

[ripe turret]

ok

[lyric void]

I changed what y told me btw

What spread should I run on mirai

Also with bax, I wasn’t sure if I wanted a clear amulet set or a loaded die set

What do u think

[ripe turret]

honestly I’d replace slowking with like snowscape torn cuz then you also have tailwind

honestly bax ain’t that good rn

I just said honestly so many times lol

[lyric void]

Damn

But I like regenerator slow king I wanna make it work

What do u suggest over bax

I thought therma exchange was valuable

[ripe turret]

umm…

can’t think of anything off the top of my head

[modest dune]

Hi I am somewhat qualified for this, you can't really make Slowking work, chilly reception is a do nothing move compared to just using an alola ninetales with scarf or focus Sash, you should also not go above 2 ice types on a snow team usually imo

[ripe turret]

thermal exchange doesn’t really matter when you get one shot by korai

[modest dune]

This team has barely any coverage for like zamazenta

You should probably try to get something like say chi yu, Incineroar etc

You could also run Amoongus if you want extra trick room effect and also howl on NinetalesA can be used to help CIR potentially

This Slowking really does nothing so itd be a good first place to replace

And your miraidon may benefit from snarl

Alola Ninetales is also quite frail in this format

Consider scarf or focus sash

[broken shuttle]

i was just abt to ping u when i first saw this lol

snowgoat

[modest dune]

I would try to get VGC rater it snow was more universally viable in VGC atm like in DOU

But alas, it's a struggle

[broken shuttle]

no rem unfort

[lyric void]

What about farigaraf

Good into trick room and against zamazent

[modest dune]

I think you just want calyrex as your trick room setter

And it's not helping much against Zama afaik

[broken shuttle]

yeah it's not good against zama

[lyric void]

Ok what else uh

[modest dune]

An Ursaluna

[broken shuttle]

bro takes like 75% from +1 bp

[modest dune]

It's a ground type

You can make it tera ghost

It's really strong in TR

[lyric void]

What aboutttt uhhh

[broken shuttle]

what are you trying to do with hail

[lyric void]

I’m down for ursa

[broken shuttle]

er

snow mb

[lyric void]

Make my ice types bulkier with aurora veil +snow and make blizzard hit dub

[modest dune]

Well one issue is a lot of the restricteds are like

Reallllly

[broken shuttle]

okay

[modest dune]

Reallllllly

Strong

[broken shuttle]

then i'd start with atales + kyurem

and even then

i wouldn't

[lyric void]

I was thinking caly mirai

[broken shuttle]

bc of this

[modest dune]

If you do Kyurem theres only one way Ive been able to run it

[broken shuttle]

trouble with that is ninetales doesn't rly add anything to that core

[modest dune]

And objectively you would have to use that team style I laid out

[broken shuttle]

defense boost is cute and all but cir rly prefers teraing a lot of the time

[modest dune]

This may ping

https://pokepast.es/7aa1a1c9e2564fdf

[broken shuttle]

you monster

[modest dune]

[broken shuttle]

jk

🥶

[modest dune]

🥶

Here on my team I make use on Lunala

Which has a really broken ability

[broken shuttle]

idl no tect with lefties

[modest dune]

I call it, does not die the ability

[modest dune]

Gotta have trick room and CM

I can just heal lunala

With Amoongus

[broken shuttle]

ig its almost impossible to fit tr anywhere else tho

yeah

ada incin on non av is wild

makes sense tho

screens

[lyric void]

What about caly I kyeurem

Together

[broken shuttle]

no

[modest dune]

You can try that but you'll have issues with a lot of shit

Like Zacian

That's not even a common restricted

[broken shuttle]

they don't rly have good synergy

[modest dune]

But you'll die to it

[broken shuttle]

lunala koraidon is like

an autoloss

[lyric void]

Caly I and miraidon do tho

[broken shuttle]

but caly-i isn't a good snow abuser

and you can't rly fit snow on cir mirai comps

[lyric void]

Kyurem is?

[broken shuttle]

yeah

[modest dune]

Calyrex Ice can somewhat benefit

But you'd be like

Using howl

To boost its attack

[broken shuttle]

i think it wants to tera too much

[modest dune]

Yeah

I mean Aurora Veil still helps also, but yeh conflicting interest

Also Kyurem is kinda just better for snow bc its better against Kyogre

[broken shuttle]

atp use grimm

[modest dune]

Who is dangerous

If you didn't have freeze dry and Miraidon dies then what

You get water spouted

[broken shuttle]

[lyric void]

What about rotom frost

[broken shuttle]

definitely not

[lyric void]

Fuck

So if I run kyeurem Lunala can I run slow king ?

Or slow king galar?

[modest dune]

Rotom Frost woulda worked in reg g

Er

H

Mb

[shadow mason]

Heya! I can play now if you're interested.

[broken shuttle]

[flat oyster]

It’s pretty late for me today maybe tomorrow!

[lyric void]

^

[modest dune]

I meant Reg H!!

[shadow mason]

Ahh alrighty, for sure!

[modest dune]

Ftr I did build a rotom Frost reg h tean

But I decided I like glaceon

I went 5-3 at Toronto with it sadly I can't beat Gholdengo basc

[broken shuttle]

fangame might have had to become a vgc main for reg h if kyurem was in it

[modest dune]

[lyric void]

Does sinistcha work

[modest dune]

if this were dou I'd say yes

but in VGC it's harder to use

[lyric void]

For trick room imprison idk

Hospitality for lunala

[modest dune]

I think Amoongus is better for helping Lunala in this situation

specifically bc it can rage powder

[lyric void]

So can sinishtcha

[modest dune]

and more importantly, if you run Kyurem, rage powder a body press or close combat

true

but it has spore ~

[lyric void]

But that’s it

[modest dune]

you only need to have Lunala use TR

[lyric void]

For the trick room matchup tho

To disable hard tr

[modest dune]

for the TR matchup you use Amoongus

if they set tr

u have amoongus

who is slower than all over TR pokemon

other than torkoal and hatterene

it wont stop an ursaluna

but for that you have an ice type

[lyric void]

So

[modest dune]

my issues with sinistcha are that its typing is really lousy when CSR is so frequently used

you have to waste a tera on it or sash it

[lyric void]

Ah I see

[modest dune]

and this meta is too strong for it to just spam life dew and matcha gatcha

In DOU, the power level is lower

you can just set Aurora Veil and spam it in

but here you have Koraidon and shit

[lyric void]

Koraidon fucks up ammongus too

[modest dune]

Amoongus is comparatively more useful therefore

it's not about fucking up amoongus or sinistcha

its your ally whos getting fucked up

you're trying to heal it

but it doesn't help as much at a certain level

[lyric void]

What about volcarona then

[modest dune]

eh

[lyric void]

Oh wait I forget it doesn’t learn pollen puff

Ooos

[modest dune]

you can try Volcarona

you dont necesarilly need pollen

you just need a game plan to end the game before you need healing

there's a certain flow

in my case, amoongus just so HAPPENs to have pollen

which works

[lyric void]

Brute bonnet is different right

[modest dune]

yes, but you'd rather use that if you ran sun

[lyric void]

Like wouldn’t fill the same role

[modest dune]

it doesn't have regenerator

which is a big issue

aditionally it's speed is 55 which means that you can't reliably use it for anti Trick Room against Calyrex Ice

[lyric void]

Ok

[modest dune]

or specifically Iron hands

etc

[lyric void]

U rlly think amoongus would fill the slot?

[modest dune]

it's probably better than Slowking by a lot

[lyric void]

Also could I fit frosmoth on this team or nah

[modest dune]

nah, it wouldn't work out even in a lower power format imo

[ripe turret]

could I replace pagos with kyogre here? if so, what set would I use? (Reg I)

https://pokepast.es/961234233fc577b3

also any general suggestions are greatly welcomed

[lyric void]

Or what about uh slush rush cetitan

[ripe turret]

[broken shuttle]

yeah seems like it fits well

[ripe turret]

what set do you think is best? AV, scarf, specs, lefties, or mystic water

[broken shuttle]

either AV or mystic water

[ripe turret]

k

[gloomy birch]

lefties could work

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/f5196e7d354321f2

Mirai Lunala

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sleek laurel]

Slow bulky Mirai spread stolen from EUIC fr

[lyric void]

https://pokepast.es/7252fc4d305a7330

Wanna make ho oh work! Help me out with a new sun team

[burnt surge]

If there's anything I've learned from Ho-Oh in Reg G, it's that that Ho-Oh set looks super troll

[lyric void]

Wdym

[burnt surge]

It has 130 base attack

Why are you using Giga Drain

[jovial creek]

Ho-oh might work but this is not the way

https://pokepast.es/32b6c28df88ed412

Could look at something like this

[lyric void]

Ok I changed the ho oh set

https://pokepast.es/21dafb0d1b2afd8f

[tall trail]

https://pokepast.es/f86925874141aaf8

So I think I need some things adjusted: Tornadus and Rillaboom aren't doing much to help the team, while I know Tornadus isn't meant to mainly be doing damage but more instead control the field, it still doesn't give enough control, but maybe I'm not using him right. I definitely don't think I can use rillaboom though because none of their attacks do enough damage and instead it just is a staller without any useful stalling attacks. Maybe I just don't know what I'm doing

Actually, I know I don't know what I'm doing, I just thought I would learn at least a little bit

[broken shuttle]

you can probably drop rillaboom for either incineroar or chien-pao

[lunar wedge]

https://pokepast.es/731172b2c4efb212

The berry on moon reduces fairy damage

[tall trail]

What type of setup should I go with for incineroar?

[ripe turret]

honestly you don’t need ruination on chi-yu cuz dpulse or your other moves do more damage 99% of the time

solar beam on bolt is kinda weird

cuz then you don’t have a normal stab electric move

idk if roseli berry helps very much on moon

[lunar wedge]

Makes it survive at ~20% from non-specs dazzling gleam miraidon

[ripe turret]

ok but like who’s running non-specs mirai

it’s pretty rare to see a mirai without specs

and living one calc is less useful than something like a booster energy which is like guaranteed value every match

[lyric void]

https://pokepast.es/980d7d5561e993f8

[ripe turret]

bruh overquil?

get that outta here

[lyric void]

I’m serious

[ripe turret]

💀

[lyric void]

No hear me out

Outspeeds and kills caly show and ogerpon in rain

Shit is mad valuable

[broken shuttle]

it’s more common than you’d think

[broken shuttle]

drop moon for tornadus or whimsicott

moon’s tailwind is too slow

drop ruination and tera blast for heat wave and protect and make it tera ghost chi-yu

go choice specs wake with 244 spa and 12 spd

go tera fire on koraidon

drop solar beam for thunderbolt on bolt

drop eject button for power herb and go meteor beam>ice beam- drop helping hand for trick room or protect

[lyric void]

What about my team

https://pokepast.es/980d7d5561e993f8

[jovial creek]

Looks interesting

At first glance I'm afraid of how reliant archaludon and overqwill are on you bringing kyogre

[lyric void]

I have tornadus too

[jovial creek]

You could probably get away with how it is now if you change overqwill to tera poison and acid spray over destiny bond

And make ursh tera water

+probably tera fairy mirai

[lyric void]

Oh yeah I already changed that

[jovial creek]

But then you aren't setting tailwind

In this strong of a format i tend to assume that my speed control mons like that will get 1 move off on average

[lyric void]

Mm

[jovial creek]

An idea i had if you want to try changes

[lyric void]

Sure

[jovial creek]

Would be hands and farig over qwill and arch

Id also recommend protect over taunt on torn

It's nice to have

[lyric void]

qwil is rlly valuable vs caly ice and ogerpon tho

I’d maybe replace arch

[broken shuttle]

u kinda need taunt on kyo builds

[jovial creek]

For what

[broken shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/wide-guard-mareanie-pokemon-pokemon-mareanie-mareanie-uses-wide-guard-gif-1278635429748853960

[jovial creek]

I think you can use miraidon for those

[jovial creek]

There's a whole miraidon

[broken shuttle]

so zama lives and kyo flips burgers

[jovial creek]

Wdym

First off

A zama clicking wide guard is not clicking body press

[broken shuttle]

wait

stop everything

[jovial creek]

And you can freely attack into the partner

[broken shuttle]

max bold ogre

[lyric void]

Wat

[broken shuttle]

do not run bold ogre

esp not w. an offensive moveset

[lyric void]

Ah

[broken shuttle]

Kyogre @ Mystic Water
Level: 50
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 44 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Grass
Modest Nature

• Water Spout
• Origin Pulse
• Ice Beam
• Protect

use this

[jovial creek]

You can also do hydro pump over origin pulse if wide guard ends up being a problem

[broken shuttle]

indeed

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/9d6463a36a98be72 I wanna swap out urshifu for the FGW core, any suggestions?

Idealy something that can deal damage

Incins main stab option being flare blitz is too hard to play around

[broken shuttle]

drop farigaraf for pao or incin

farig is super passive here u don't need it

u should also go choice scarf urshifu

[lavish nexus]

Then what do i do for trick room teams?

Its entire point is to stop it

[broken shuttle]

lead kyogre

calm mind

profit

you don't need imprision + tr to stop trick room

you can just outlast them

go incineroar over farig

and that should fix it

u can just fake out cycle and set up kyogre

[lavish nexus]

that won't work in allot of cases

farig is solid and also works against teams with only tw

[broken shuttle]

okay, how so?

[lavish nexus]

offensive cir teams

[broken shuttle]

and what trick room threats are you worried about that can touch kyogre

[broken shuttle]

yk what helps with those

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-default-dance-jerb-q-gif-24304326

and the thing abt incin is that it's not just a trick room matchup fish like farig is on your team rn

[lavish nexus]

farig is also good against tailwind tho, it just depends if it's better to bring whims or farig

I'd say i choose fairg 30% of the time

for teams without speed control or both tr and tw, whims is better, but for purely tr or tw, farig is better

[lyric void]

Why doesn’t Overqwil learn spiky shield

[gloomy birch]

bc it isn't spiky enough

[flat oyster]

@shadow mason if you're free I will play

[shadow mason]

I can play in an hour if that’s fine by you

[flat oyster]

a top VGC team was running AV mirai

[flat oyster]

Honestly for my speed team I am leaning Tornadus over whim

Having taunt just beats another tailwind team

[lavish nexus]

The older versions of the team had torn, but I feel that encore just has more use cases

With reg i having very offensive teams frequently used, I think encore is a slight bit better

[flat oyster]

Maybe, but even then taunt Tornadus just obliterates whim and cracks tailwind right after.

[lavish nexus]

Also a slightly updated version, heatran rounds out the weaknesses quite nicely
https://pokepast.es/8e7ee0d4e58e295d

[random wagon]

CM Kyogre really wants Protect to heal back with Leftovers, I suggest dropping Thunder for it as you need Ice Beam more often to hit things like Koraidon, Miraidon, and Rillaboom.

I think Scarf Urshifu works better here, so you can drop Protect for U-turn, run Tera Water, and probably just 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe with an Adamant Nature.

Have you also considered Tornadus as a Tailwind setter here? Light Screen isn’t super necessary here and Tornadus helps put pressure on Grass types and sets Rain in the face of Groudon and Koraidon.

Heatran feels kind of out of place here tbh, it only really helps vs Koraidon but you can easily and better patch that up with Chien-Pao which strengthens your Miraidon, Koraidon, CSR, and Raging Bolt matchups

With Sacred Sword you can also threaten Zamazenta-C.

[lavish nexus]

Taking protect is good since I had thunder before heatran which covers the weaknesses I used thunder for, tho for urshifu I feel I get allot of value out of protect since it's so fragile and it's easy to predict the opponent trying to finish it off

[lavish nexus]

I'm a big fan of encore so I picked whims instead, tho I didn't realise torn got rain dance, might switch back to torn in that case

[lavish nexus]

csr already has sash and I haven't seen a chien defensive set before, plus heatran deals with zama, grimmsnarl and csr while finishing the GWF core

If chien has a good defensive set then it could work tho

[random wagon]

chien pao can run sash and u can use lorb on caly-s

[random wagon]

Scarf Shifu is generally better on Rain teams for not only fast damage but also positioning with U-turn.

Of course, fast Surging Strikes is always amazing, especially when in Rain you OHKO Chien-Pao and CSR whilst outspeeding both thanks to scarf

[broken shuttle]

tera water also lets you do stupid shit like 2HKO physdef Amoonguss in rain

[lavish nexus]

Aight changed urshifu to scarf, reupload to make it easier
https://pokepast.es/d6a109363ba992c6

[jovial creek]

I think incineroar over heatran is better

its another fake out user

and it doesn't get nerfed by sun

[dusk sun]

hiii looking for some help

https://pokepast.es/2232019afd730144

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dusk sun]

idk im new to this hows my team

[broken shuttle]

looks good, i'd drop poison jab for u-turn on urshifu

[dusk sun]

it does have uturm

i just wanted control against fairy types

[broken shuttle]

oops

missed that

[broken shuttle]

not rly any in the meta

[dusk sun]

saw ppl put aqua jet but it seems redundant since its scarfed

[broken shuttle]

flutter mane is rly the only one

[dusk sun]

fair

tera fairy ig?

[broken shuttle]

which isn't hit super effectively anyways

[dusk sun]

and grass kinda

[broken shuttle]

jet is just good for priority in an endgame

ut it's preference rly

[dusk sun]

is kyogre good?

so far the things im struggling with is miraidon and wide guard zama

[broken shuttle]

i don't care for it personally but it can work well

you can tech hydro pump if needed

[dusk sun]

why hydro

[broken shuttle]

it's kyogre's only single target water move

[dusk sun]

ahh

so i dont get wide guarded?

[broken shuttle]

yeah p much

[rich marlin]

https://pokepast.es/c8449bb17d74884b

Am I cooking, or am I dumb?

[slate echo]

https://pokepast.es/c5b4c5378c586cb2

This is my first stab at reg I. It won a bunch. But kinda feels eh. Thinking maybe a better set on arch and or swapping rilla in for amoongus even tho it works well in trick room

Also tw is a must on grim. Also imo the best support Mon in the regulation

[sharp lake]

https://pokepast.es/fb3ba424ad4b34ce new to vgc, this is my Reg I team, feels like chien-pao and incineroar get no value and I struggle vs kyogre and miraidon teams. Any ideas?

[sleek laurel]

I’d recommend going Nasty Plot over Dark Pulse on CSR (Dark Pulse is exclusively anti-Farigiraf tech and you have an Incin, a Chien-Pao, and an entire Zamazenta) and probably fix the Urshifu and CSR EV spreads

You shouldn’t struggle too much vs Kyogre especially with Zamazenta due to Wide Guard, and Nasty Plot on CSR will help that a ton because you can actually break it easily

Also, if you think Incin and Pao get no real value, you can switch one of them out for Indeedee and do Expanding Force on CSR

But if you’re doing that with any of them then do it with Incineroar because not only is Indeedee + Incin a little awkward, but Chien-Pao also has offensive support value

In the form of Sword of Ruin

It’s just harder to notice in direct play

In terms of EV spreads for CSR and Urshifu, lemme get them rq

Calyrex-Shadow @ Life Orb
Level: 50
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
EVs: 140 HP / 4 Def / 100 SpA / 12 SpD / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Normal
Timid Nature

• Astral Barrage
• Psychic
• Nasty Plot
• Protect

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Level: 50
Ability: Unseen Fist
EVs: 60 HP / 140 Atk / 20 Def / 196 SpD / 92 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Aqua Jet
• Detect

Can drop Aqua Jet for Taunt or back to U-Turn if you’re going to be running Indeedee (or even without it), U-Turn is a little awkward outside of Scarf tho (changing your Tera Type is also an option but I don’t think this team struggles with Amoonguss at all)

That’s about it from me, wait for an official rater for anything more lol

[sharp lake]

What moveset would I use for Indeedee? I don't see much trick room value with my team so would it be a follow me helping hand for calyrex? Although in that case is amoongus obsolete 🤔

[sharp lake]

What's the benefit of detect?

[sharp lake]

If I run eforce and abarrage wouldn't I be vulnerable to wide guard

[sleek laurel]

A little, you can consider keeping Psychic even with Indeedee too

[sleek laurel]

Preference
Lmao

It keeps Imprison at bay but has lower PP

[sleek laurel]

You can probably do Imprison + Trick Room to deny opposing Trick Room since the TR MU here is not the greatest

And then Follow Me + Psychic or Fairy-type move probably

Another option is just standard Helping Hand

[sharp lake]

MU

What is that

[sleek laurel]

Matchup

[sharp lake]

Ah so I give indeedee tr to end enemy tr?

[sleek laurel]

Yea, and if you think you want to, you can give it Imprison too

Since TR has negative priority as a move, you can Imprison before they TR and profit

Bit of a niche tech but it’s good in teams with little TR counterplay

Because, especially if you do switch Incineroar out, your TR counterplay is basically Amoonguss and Zamazenta-C’s Wide Guard

[sharp lake]

How does improson work? Should I trap their tr setter to kill it?

[sleek laurel]

No it’s like

So long as Indeedee remains on the field

Every move it has cannot be clicked by opponents

So opposing usage of Trick Room outright fails

[sharp lake]

I do not know this mechanic

[sleek laurel]

Yea that’s how the move works

The idea behind it is that you click Imprison before they click TR

And then they cannot click TR

In any turn until Indeedee dies

[broken shuttle]

honestly outside of tera fairy lando and steel arch i lowkey fuck with this

i’d go water lando and bug/grass/fairy arch

[broken shuttle]

i would maybe try covert or babiri berry grimmsnarl since u only have one screen. honestly i would test zamazenta over ice rider here, you seem pretty weak to wide guard and zamazenta’s body press feels like it would be rly good here esp with grimm support

taunt>hand on incin could be nice but if you’re using hand a lot then it’s probably fine

i would make your amoonguss relaxed and physically defensive asw

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/9254e86c68b45575 would it be better to have a bulky mirai or a faster mirai?

[drifting onyx]

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[tribal void]

on one hand i like bulkier for situations where i need to tank more than 1 hit like calys astral but on the other hand underspeeding zama is slowly starting to get on my nerves

[sharp lake]

This is very fun

When do I use indeedee over amoongus

Bcs now I have 2 support mons

[sleek laurel]

Sometimes you even bring both, but that’s more something that you’ll figure out in play

Amoonguss is better against Zamazenta or Urshifu-R for example

Indeedee is gold vs Miraidon

You could also consider swapping out Amoonguss eventually but I would personally playtest first

Because Spore is gold and Rage Powder is gold

So anyway, my turn

https://pokepast.es/f592f7b5d0c439f6

me and the gang built Korai CSR Weezing

[broken shuttle]

go bulky miraidon here but run jolly zacian

[tribal void]

what would jolly do tho

outspeed timid?

[broken shuttle]

it gives you enough mirror counterplay while allowing mirai to take full advantage of its bulk

[broken shuttle]

yes

it means u don’t have to commit to investing as much speed on mirai

which is way better

[tribal void]

alr ill give it a try to see

thanks

[broken shuttle]

i would ev miraidon to hit around 180 still to outspeed max speed zamazenta-c

ig u have chi-yu hands so it’s a bit less necessary but i’d still recommend it

[tribal void]

i'll test out bulky + jolly zac and 181 speed mirai + adamant zac

welp reporting back having 181 speed on mirai instantly made my time againt calys zama much more fun

[broken shuttle]

yeah that’s mainly what it’s for

means u don’t always have to commit tera to mirai in that mu which is rly nice

[tribal void]

in reg g i never really accounted for zama as 1 restricted just made it pretty easy to click twind on whims but now in reg I its much harder to just click twind and run away with volt onto zama

makes dealing with its partner much easier

[rich marlin]

Alr alr ima try that

[prisma moat]

https://pokepast.es/4fda067b8149a99a Reg I, any sugestions? Also I feal like I need a dark type to counter lunala.

[vivid pawn]

https://pokepast.es/914526c9154bae3c Reg I, i want to keep zamazenta but im looking to maybe change koraidon and rillaboom. any sugestions

[random wagon]

some big changes:
Amoonguss isn’t great on Miraidon teams because Spore gets shut down by Electric Terrain, You can keep the Grass typing and redirection by subbing it out for Ogerpon-C, which hits hard and has Follow Me.

You mentioned you need a Dark type, and for this you can probably run Urshifu-S over Urshifu-R. As for the set, i think a Sash set with Wicked Blow, Sucker Punch, Close Combat, Protect, Tera Stellar, and 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed with an Adamant nature can work.

Smaller chnages:
Although Rest and Sleep Talk look good on paper, it tends not to work in practice. Dropping both for Protect (stalls for Leftovers recovery) and Earth Power (hits hard into Zamazenta-C) will work nicely.

For Miraidon’s EVs, I would try using the World’s winning EV spread for now. As of now, your spread is far from optimal.

Assault Vest is very good on Iron Hands so I suggest running that. Tera Water or Bug/Poison are probably better than Tera Steel here. Tera Water does what Tera Steel does but doesn’t lose Zamazenta-C, and Tera Posion/Bug are there to beat Zamazenta-C, with one beating Koraidon and the other beating Landorus-I. I also suggest dropping Thunder Punch for Wild Charge, you’re bulky enough to take the recoil.

Encore is generally just better than Taunt on Whimsicott since it scares opponents out of Protecting, setting up, and more.

[random wagon]

Swapping Koraidon for something else is probably ideal, since it overlaps with Tyranitar (I assume this is based off of that one worlds team? If so, to stay true to the original, id say keep Ttar)

Tyranitar is also just fun rn because of Weather

I think you can keep Rillaboom, fixes up your rather negative Miraidon MU.

As for a Koraidon replacement, you can probably try out Calyrex-S. I would say Lunala, but Shadow Shield breaks due to Sandstorm. A LOrb or even bulkier CSR build should work fine tbh.

[sharp lake]

https://pokepast.es/13bb8a067493ceec trying to learn vgc and improve in general, and work on this team

bullshit kyogre is sweeping me

[prisma moat]

Thanks a lot, I had a feeling that EVs on my miridon are wrong

[jovial creek]

Chien pao and indeedee are anti synergy since Chien pao removes indeedee's terrain with ice Spinner and psychic terrain blocks sucker punch

Lemme change some stuff

[sharp lake]

I never rly brought it tbh

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/664d5c1189da7bec

You can use zama into kyogre

With wide guard and tera dragon

[sleek laurel]

I’m ngl I overlooked that aspect for a bit

That said

Does Mystic Water Ursh really want to run

252 Atk 4 SpD 252 Spe

Cause I thought that was like, moreso a Focus Sash thing

[broken shuttle]

i feel like scarf ursh is right there no?

[sleek laurel]

Actually wait it might have been

[broken shuttle]

or if u do run mystic way bulkier

[sleek laurel]

What he meant to do and

[broken shuttle]

cz u have 0 speed control

[sleek laurel]

Yea

That’s what I was thinking

When I suggested the bulkier shifu spread up above

I was confident no Mystic shifu run 0 bulk

[sleek laurel]

Forgot to change the item probably

[sleek laurel]

ignore the part where I missed Indeedee pao synergy issue, everything else made sense at least

Lol

[jovial creek]

Fuck i sent wrong paste

@sharp lake https://pokepast.es/dcf78ffe60d0f305

[sharp lake]

Yes lol

[sharp lake]

How does incineroar play, whenever I used him I kept using fake out into covert cloak then getting 0 value

[jovial creek]

Don't fake out into covert cloaks

[sharp lake]

I didnt notice it tbf because I never use chien pao

[sleek laurel]

I was gonna say that

[sharp lake]

I didnt know they had it

[jovial creek]

Parting shot to lower damage

[sleek laurel]

I didn’t notice cause I never use Psyspam

We are not the same

[jovial creek]

And get a partner in

[jovial creek]

Play bo3 ladder

[sleek laurel]

The Bo3 ladder is

SIGNIFICANTLY better if you want to practice skill

Because you get forced OTS which eliminates the set-guessing games

And allows you to focus entirely on practicing positioning and internal gameplay

Also makes so you don’t lose to unviable surprises LOL

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/d2f68c1a2d23926c

vgc reg g

[drifting onyx]

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[dense nebula]

might change smthn so i can use it effectively in reg i

[strong laurel]

https://pokepast.es/1c79c6b0f1821599

Rain
Sun
Tailwind
Trickroom
(rest of avatar intro)

Given how badly my UU team got dunked on in that channel, I’m gonna get the popcorn out for this one

[burnt surge]

So in Regulation G, you are allowed to use a restricted Pokemon.

you currently don't have one

next, all of these Pokemon sans Pelipper and Torkoal are completely unviable

and you just shouldn't play rain and sun on the same team in VGC

[strong laurel]

I also play tailwind and trick ro on the same team as well

[burnt surge]

that's less bad

[strong laurel]

Although you’d be surprised what +6 speed, +1 SpAtk and any weather it wants can do to a tera water coalossal

Outside of that ace though, it’s awful and I know that all too well

Only reason I can win is because it’s virtually impossible to predict who I’m gonna bring or how I’m gonna play

[strong laurel]

Also, just one quick correction there.
Armarouge is alright
MY armarouge is more the problem in that case

[burnt surge]

Armarouge is unseen in VGC Reg G, and it's even less likely to be seen in Reg I

[strong laurel]

Huh

I thought it was good for expanding force?

Doesn’t really matter, mine can’t even do THAT

[burnt surge]

That's what it does, yes

The problem is that Armarouge isn't the only Pokemon that uses Expanding Force

[dense nebula]

Ive actually seen it a good amount in reg i

[unborn hull]

https://pokepast.es/446032026473635b im preparin for Reg I so i made a team

Strategy: Incineroar mostly isnt used honestly, my normal lead is tornadus and urshifu to either set up rain which is OHKO on groudon with surging strikes or use tailwind formspeed control, i also do clefairy ursjifu against TR teams. Calyrex and Miraidon are prett much spamming astral barrage/electrodrift/discharge and i decide which to terrastaloze by 1. Does the enemy opkemon have a dark/ghost move 2. Can miraidon faint both of their pokemon with discharge

[unborn hull]

Except for the part where they can see their own team then look at yours and think what option would be best for you, even if you do the opposite so ths opponent isnt prepared you still have a worst matchup, and before you say "you cant predict with 100% certainty" no prediction is 100% certain

[gloomy birch]

i don't think discharge works here

[random wagon]

most likely on low ladder, armarouge is pretty much unusable and unviabile in restrocted formats

[gloomy birch]

you have 2 electric weak and 1 weak via tera

[random wagon]

I feel like the correct way to build out CSR+Miraidon is to take a Arubega Miraidon team and add CSR over something tbh. So this means you would be losing Tornadus for Whimsicott, Incineroar for Iron Hands, and Clefairy for Farigiraf.

[unborn hull]

I dont like the idra of using farigiraf over my only anti-TR response with redirection and helping hand

[random wagon]

Whimsicott here is able to provide many things, including the valuable option of Encore, which can scare opponents away from options like Protect or setting up. Light Screen is the second big reason to use it here, as it allows your Pokemon to survive WAY longer. Moonblast is another added benefit that hits more reliably than Bleakwind Storm.

[unborn hull]

I agree mostly, but tornadus raindance really helps my urshifu

Other than that whimsicott is better

[random wagon]

Thing is, Farigiraf is your anti-TR and carries Helping Hand. On top of this, you get Armor Tail to deny priority like Fake Out and Thunderclap and Sucker Punch. Foul Play and Psychic Noise are both really good at stopping Calyrex-I sweeps and Drain Punch from Iron Hands, respectively

[unborn hull]

How is farigiraf anti-tr, do i have to predict exactly when my opponent will trick room to also play trickroom to cancel it, thats way harder than after you

[random wagon]

You don’t really need Rain Dance to be honest, Urhsifu doesn’t need all of that support, as things like Draco Meteor from Miraidon, Low Kick from Iron Hands, and Boosted Astral Barrage deal with Groudon already.

[unborn hull]

Ok fair enough

[random wagon]

You can play that way or you can use Imprison to stop Trick Room from ever going up, but that does mean you have to drop one of Psychic Noise, Foul Play, or Helping Hand.

[unborn hull]

I actually kind of life offensive farigiraf with throat spray hyper voice and psychic

[random wagon]

The final major change I suggested was Iron Hands, and for good reason. With a attack boost in Electric Terrain, Low Kick, Drain Punch, and Wild Charge all hit like trucks. You also get to keep a bulky Fake Out user!

[unborn hull]

Yeah i agree, i mostly dont even use incineroar tbh

[random wagon]

I believe that the power level, as of now, is a bit too high for Throat Spray sets to succeed. You can try it if you want, though.

[unborn hull]

Ok. Oh one thing, should i use grimmsnarl like 40% of the teams i play against in showdown have him

[broken shuttle]

i think it's a touch too passive here no?

[random wagon]

Some smaller changes to note:

• Calyrex-S might benefit a bit more from something like Spell Tag over Covert Cloak now that you have Farigiraf to deny Fake Out (Snarl isn’t common enough to worry too much about it)
• As suggested by Hup above, Discharge isn’t the play on this team. I suggest running Tera Fairy with Dazzling Glean in place of Discharge, just super powerful overall.

[random wagon]

yes it is, grimmsnarl doesn’t fit with this hyper-offensive combo

gephicka stop the glaze

[unborn hull]

Tera fairy... i kinda hate tera fairy, tera electric offers so much burst damage i mean electorc terrain wuark drive tera electidc choice specs + already being electirc before is a whole lot of modifiers

[random wagon]

Tera Electric just doesn’t hold up great, but I understand what you are saying. Thing about Miraidon is that you often don’t need Tera Electric to nuke things with Electro Drift, especially when in terrain. Tera Fairy helps out loads in the mirror matchup and helps out VS Zamazenta-C, Calyrex-I, Iron Hands, and probably a few others. It also boosts Dazzling Gleam. You can probably keep Tera Electric though.

[unborn hull]

Ok ill try it for lets say 3 practice sets.

[unborn hull]

Idk if I just suck with the team or if the team sucks, firstly I barely even bring iron hands in the first place, and farigiraf and whimsicott feel way too fragile, tera fairy miraidon barely helps with mirror matches because the other miraidons just terrastalize be it fairy or electric, and it still kind of feels wronf to me and zamazenta-c while the fairy type helps with body press i just die due to heavy slam, while my calyrex ice situation tera electric matches up ok agaijst it also.

Tornadus taunt helped me a lot also and while whimsicott can taunt it makes me lose a valuable tool

[ripe turret]

the team is a pretty successful one, you might just need to learn how to play it

it does take a lot of time

so you can't expect to be successful with it immediately

[dense nebula]

i always lose to this team lol. cant do nothin about it

[rigid comet]

thought i'd post my team for my first vgc draft league ever (reg h)

ended up beating the #1 and #2 seeds in the playoffs (court change cinderace countered a klefki lol) but lost in the finals to an archauladon team

ambipom surprised me. it was routinely doing 50% with fake out and ohkoing defensive mons (such as sitrus berry amoongus) with triple axel

i might genuinely try using it on ladder sometime, it was in the lowest draftable catagory (1 point cost) and although it's k/d wasn't good, it picked up huge KO's (the amoongus) and 'assists' with fake out throughout

[sleek laurel]

Got overlooked 😔

[jovial creek]

don't run wave crash dozo in sun

and that looks very cringe

[pallid saffron]

https://pokepast.es/2513f67dfadf2928
Are there any changes i should make?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sleek laurel]

Ngl I copypasted the Dozo set blindly, should’ve been eq

[sleek laurel]

As in bad or as in evil

[jovial creek]

Evil

[sleek laurel]

Lmao

[jovial creek]

I don't like Iron Bundle

Bc

It's a lot of gambling

[pallid saffron]

Do you mind explaining how?

Is not running hydro pump

[jovial creek]

It's frail and either doesn't have coverage or is luck reliant

You also already have nice speed control with twave and Trick room

[gloomy birch]

try chi yu?

i don't get how you would play the team

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/2c8d29a04f4deac6 Reg I kyogre+calyI. I chose AV on ogre cause in all honesty i have no idea what item to put on it. Anything that could change or some outstanding matchups that are bad? I do have to add that wide guard users give me quite some trouble. Mostly zama as lunala that are tera water just kind of get chunked heavily from thunder

[gloomy birch]

every kyogre team needs taunt

bc of its wide guard prob

run taunt on shifu or incin

[broken shuttle]

idt u can fit it on either

maybe shifu but it's shit to click

[broken shuttle]

u could try pump ogre

idk the csr zama balance mu looks super uphill here

[tribal void]

the 2 matches i did play was okay ish

but tbf i am in low ladder cause ive been trying every team to find one i like

what would pump go over anyways?

spout?

or thunder

[random wagon]

opulse prob

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/ae8a4d323f0882cf
How's this team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[unborn hull]

Ok i genuiely need someone to give me a general strategy guide for my team cause it just isnt holding together, farigiraf feels useless only using it for anti-TR, whimsicott gets OHKOd or 2HKOD by even a togedemaru and i invested 400 evs into bulk, iron hands hits hard but just cant to anything against restricteds, tera fairy dazzling gleam from miraidon is way weakee thqn tera electric discharge, and i dont even bring urshifu most of the time

[tall trail]

https://pokepast.es/3d2cb5eabfa82637

This team is showing some promise. The concept is a Trick Room team for Reg I

[lavish nexus]

Who would work well for the second restricted https://pokepast.es/08d2f50ea3afee4e

I was thinking about palkia for the rain core, but I'm not sure how it's doing in reg i

[gloomy birch]

need something fast that works outside of TR

[gloomy birch]

ohh zacian

[tall trail]

I assumed I would I just didn't know what

[sleek laurel]

Expanding Force Ice Rider is NOT it

Other than that it looks pretty fine as HardRoom tbh

[tall trail]

I thought that was like the thing tho

[sleek laurel]

But you need to replace that with Trick Room 100%

[sleek laurel]

It’s only viable on special attackers

You cannot run a special move on CIR

[tall trail]

Oh okay

[sleek laurel]

I would personally like

Maybe change Terapagos to Lunala or NDW

And give it Meteor Beam + Expanding Force

[unborn hull]

If it was reg G then maybe cause you can use your non-restricteds more freely so indeede could set up trick room, but i reg I its judt like you dont want to waste one of your slots on indeede

[tall trail]

Okay

[sleek laurel]

No Indeedee is still fine

But

You need two TR setters

And you cannot use a special move on Ice Rider

[sleek laurel]

Then give it like

[unborn hull]

Also no electric stab on iron hands

[sleek laurel]

Give Ice Rider itself Trick Room over Expanding Force

And give the Lunala/NDW the set Meteor Beam, Moongeist Beam, Expanding Force, Trick Room

[tall trail]

Oh yea,

[sleek laurel]

Hands wants Electric STAB here

It doesn’t run Electric STAB on Miraidon comps sometimes

Because Miraidon already

Electric STABs everything

[jovial creek]

Id run a lunala on hard tr over pagos

[unborn hull]

Also i dont like the ice rider ev spread its not terrible but i dont like the lack of atk investment

[sleek laurel]

Yea I told them to run Lunala or NDW over Pagos and fix the Caly-I moveset

Other than that it seems fine I think

[unborn hull]

Yeah but sometimes it wants to go fof draco meteor or dazzling gleam if its ters fairy

[sleek laurel]

Bigfoot is here now so he can probably give more educated advice

[sleek laurel]

Tbh

I will never believe in Hands without Electric STAB

But I can’t deny that it’s viable on Miraidon teams

But on CIR teams no lol

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/fd7b3fe1ceb08e33

Fixed it up

[unborn hull]

Oh and can we talk about his ogerpon having no speed evs

[tribal void]

mfw lando I, but honestly since lando is not as common wild charge is probably better in reg I

[sleek laurel]

Is Tera Ice on CIR intentional?

[tall trail]

no Actually I haden't thought of which tera types to give each yet

[sleek laurel]

I would give CIR either Fire or Grass here personally

[tall trail]

I was going to see what pokemon seemed to be the biggest problems for each

[unborn hull]

He peobably wanted extra damage on glacial lancd

[sleek laurel]

Then Indeedee probably runs Fairy

[broken shuttle]

yo

[sleek laurel]

It definitely doesn’t run Psychic with no attacking moves

That’s for sure

[broken shuttle]

lemme tell you the sauce

for NDW

[unborn hull]

Water and fairy are also decent, i prefer tera grass tho

[sleek laurel]

For HardRoom

I would do Grass

Because Amoonguss is pain

[broken shuttle]

you gotta go 0 spe modest

[sleek laurel]

What for

[tall trail]

okay this is being used too much, what does NDW mean

oh wait nevermind

[unborn hull]

Am i one of the unlucky ones sho played a Toedscruel weezing combo and looked in horror at a 100 spe spore user

[sleek laurel]

Necrozma Dawn Wings

[broken shuttle]

basically

[tall trail]

as soon as I typed it I knew

[broken shuttle]

it's so that when they lead incin + rilla into you

[sleek laurel]

Lol

[broken shuttle]

er

incin in general

you always outspeed them outside of TR and OHKO

[sleek laurel]

You get to Meteor Beam it first?

[broken shuttle]

yes

[sleek laurel]

Insane

[broken shuttle]

it's good EV tech

bc they expect you to be slower and greed it most of the time

[unborn hull]

Incin is still op but am I the sees littls to no incineroara in reg I

[sleek laurel]

I have seen a few

Incin is like

[unborn hull]

Last tiem i played on was likd over 10 matches ago

[sleek laurel]

It’s really warping just not

As much as it was in Gen 8

But this is a common mons thing like

[broken shuttle]

you may not have seen many incineroar, but it's still a fairly common metagame presence and even if it's not as common you still should account for it in the builder bc if you don't you'll run into it and be worse off

[sleek laurel]

They added counterplay to it, but it’s so warping that you need to run that counterplay

[broken shuttle]

is what i should have said

[sleek laurel]

Otherwise its still like 30% usage will shit on you

Yea what geph said fr

I still need an Incineroar ingame frfrfr

[unborn hull]

Incinerosr wasnt healthy for the game, but it feels fair compsred to other OP pokdmon like zacian-c on gen 8

[sleek laurel]

Incineroar was more warping than Zacian in Gen 8

Just this time around they added

Actual counterplay to it

Clear Amulet, Covert Cloak

Terastallization also helps

But it’s still goated just not the S+++ tier Mon it used to be

[unborn hull]

It still felt more fair than xerneas and smeargle

[sleek laurel]

Well that’s not

Particularly impressive

But fair LMAO

[unborn hull]

Its just for a S+++ pokemon its extremely fair compared to the rest

[prisma sandal]

https://pokepast.es/1d021835cdd895e6

i tried to make a team with these two but im simply not able to output enough damage or take any damage

I’m sorry if u have a stroke looking at the Evs

[dusk sun]

is male or female indeedee better?
https://pokepast.es/2232019afd730144

[jovial creek]

Do you mean lunala zamazenta?

I like the duo but it is very hard to build

[unborn hull]

I had a stroke looking at ursaluna with focus sash

[wispy night]

https://pokepast.es/a43636c123d3de9b

[drifting onyx]

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[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/26ad87b6d0ea6de5
I know someone's going to ask about gholdengo, and it's spread is enough to ohko a bulky lunala with tera (also outspeeds the bulky and sweeping sets on smogon) and csr, although you need tailwind for it, my main issue rn is iron hands, but asside from that i have counters to most threats

[sleek laurel]

Personally not sure if I like the Gholdengo spread idea, I think access to a defensive Tera is more important especially on this kind of team

Gholdengo usually wants to focus on clicking Make It Rain more than Shadow Ball and having to commit Tera and locking into Shadow Ball for Lunala isn’t the greatest trade, esp since the opponent can also just Tera the Lunala

That said I fuck with this team for sure, just some set updates I’d say

Probably would want some more dedicated rater advice but from my experience as a player this is sick

[lavish nexus]

If not gholdengo what should i use against lunala, wide guard and trick room are an issue for the team

[sleek laurel]

I don’t like this Gholdengo set

Also, Scarf Urshifu in Rain deals a billion to it

[jovial creek]

That team looks too all over the place

You have calm mind kyogre with no support

Fire blast palkia with rain

[sleek laurel]

What’s over the place about it beyond Ghold?

Genuine question

[jovial creek]

Cm kyogre wants like

A balance core

Not really hyper offense like that is built

[sleek laurel]

Oh I didn’t notice CM

I saw Origin Pulse + Thunder

And assumed it was standard bulky

[sleek laurel]

I was gonna mention this one

But you were faster lol

[jovial creek]

@lavish nexus you could go zacian over palkia

And make kyogre mw 3 attacks

[sleek laurel]

Feel like Kyo Palkia was kinda what they wanted to do here but they can tell that better

[jovial creek]

Maybe change dengo if you do that but idk

[sleek laurel]

Yea I was gonna ask

If they do run Zac then Dengo becomes unneeded

[lavish nexus]

it was origonally kyogre csr

i have an old version of the team as well i can send

[sleek laurel]

Oh if you don’t want to keep Palkia

[jovial creek]

Dengo could be drago

[sleek laurel]

Then Zacian is better yea

[jovial creek]

Zacian kyogre is a very good core

Sword fish

[sleek laurel]

Yea

And since it’s a Tailwind kinda stuff then standard Drago with Zac is goated here

LOrb or Dragon Fang

[jovial creek]

(That means tera dragon dragon fang)

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/23fbcb9a77d50f56 used to look like this

[sleek laurel]

I will always

And I repeat

ALWAYS run Dragon Fang on my Dragos

[jovial creek]

It's best imo

[sleek laurel]

I do NOT get the appeal of LOrb

Compared to Fang

On that Mon

[jovial creek]

It's fine

First dragon energy is stronger

2nd is the same bp

[sleek laurel]

I know its fine yea but like

I don’t vibe with it at all LOL

Might be personal preference too

[lavish nexus]

If not gholdengo, what do i use for lunala

[tribal void]

i like lorb cause first denergy hits like a truck and it also powers up coverage like tghost tblast(though realistically people are clicking draco 99% of the time) and makes draco even more of a nuke

drago doesn't exactly live for long anyways

its like a 5% decrease for draco if you go fang

[lavish nexus]

Ok I think this should work
https://pokepast.es/ed84f4ba2787b899

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/d6aef66af7b8e39b
How's this team

[lyric void]

https://pokepast.es/6013641db6bafc8a

Trying to make a bulky Luna a aurora veil team

Also trying to build around slow king

[jovial creek]

Rillaboom over sinistcha is probably better

Fake out and built in lefties

[lyric void]

https://pokepast.es/91611846ebc55d81

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lavish nexus]

An update to the team, now being a swordfish set
https://pokepast.es/33f7e765af7800f1

[random wagon]

please dont use slowking

it sucks

under any circumstances

has like no niche whatsover

[random wagon]

no sucker punch? in this economy?

but seriously, Sucker Punch can be slotted over Crunch here so you get priority to KO Calyrex-S and Flutter Mane with ease without having them move first, while also sniping things like chipped down Urshifu-R and Sturdy Ogerpon-C.

Ice Beam is also probably better than Thunder here, necessary to hit Grass guys like Amoonguss (this guy in particular is scary)

Maybe consider Tera Water Urshifu for more damage as well? Tera Grass is cute, Tera Ghost could be another cool option too.

Have you tried AV Rillaboom by chance? Might help out against Miraidon, especially since idt you outspeed Jolly ones with Zacian-C, and if they are Scarf definitely not.

[unborn hull]

That rillaboom is not it, no assault vest, why do you have tera grass (it isnt nessecarily bad just want reasoning), and no bulk to stop miraidon helping hand boosted drsco meteor from OHKOing you preventing you from stopping miraidon, or honestly just regular draco meteor from mirsidom

[lavish nexus]

chien can ohko miraidon

[unborn hull]

I think its a for funsies team, I like using niche pokemon.

[unborn hull]

terrastalizes now you cant

[lyric void]

Is kyogre lugia a viable team core

[broken shuttle]

no

[lyric void]

Ok I’m thinking kyogre lunala

[broken shuttle]

that could work yeah

[lyric void]

What set do I run? My kyogre ha sleftovers

Power herb comes to mind

https://pokepast.es/208cb37927e302d8

[broken shuttle]

i like this, i would go wide guard over tect on lunala

and the lunala spread is bad

Lunala @ Power Herb
Level: 50
Ability: Shadow Shield
EVs: 180 HP / 140 Def / 68 SpA / 116 SpD / 4 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Fairy
Modest Nature

• Moongeist Beam
• Meteor Beam
• Wide Guard
• Trick Room

u can adjust the tera type to what works

[lyric void]

Based

[lyric void]

Is there a way to run sludge bomb and pollen puff on amoongus

[lyric void]

Like maybe over protect or rage powder

[broken shuttle]

you can drop tect

idt it's great

[lyric void]

Rage powder then?

[broken shuttle]

never

[lyric void]

I think it’s valuable with how bulky my team is

[broken shuttle]

spore + rage powder are mandatory moves on amoonguss

[lyric void]

Ok

So over tec is the only option

[broken shuttle]

yes

or over sludge

[lyric void]

Yeah I see

I like running sludge, I usually just run pollen puff cuz I like healing tho

[unborn hull]

Am i actually the only person on earth that likes spore/rage powder/protect/sludge bomb amoonguss

[broken shuttle]

no

i like it too

it's definitely optimal sometimes

i'm just saying it's an option

[unborn hull]

Once i was playing with amoonguss as my only pokemon left against a rillaboom without slude bomb i would have lost

[lyric void]

pollen puff is super effective too

against that rillaboom

[broken shuttle]

yeah if it's amoon v rilla u should win that even with ppuff

*depending on how chipped ur amoonguss is

[lavish nexus]

got annoyed with trying to get rain to work so here's a sun team
https://pokepast.es/c4d0d7e2d2478a90

[onyx bear]

Why urshifu-r on sun team?

[lavish nexus]

I realised I was being stupid and now it's lando instead

[onyx bear]

Ok lol

[jovial creek]

you can go grassy glide hearthflame

I would go focus sash flutter mane over urshifu

/lando

because right now your team has no speed control

[onyx bear]

[broken shuttle]

pokepaste pls

[lavish nexus]

forgot to pase

rip

https://pokepast.es/763ecb53822adf32
I wanna add a whims, dunno where tho

[drifting onyx]

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[jovial creek]

Did you try flutter mane

If you don't go AV bolt then magnet/life orb is probably best

[flat oyster]

I firmly believe you will get decimated without speed or trick room

I love Raging Bolt into Kyogre or other watermons

Zamzenta and Koraidon turn 1 is a lot

You will need a team of more offensive players to maximize Zamzenta imo

Even with Whim most speed teams are running whim or tornadus tailwind

They will still outspeed you and will turn 1 whim most of the time if they see a mirror

If you're going for fire stabs or sunny day stabs you should just start with groudon and amooguss spore

[brittle gate]

hi there!! i've got a terapagos team that i really don't know what i'm doing with. i think i'm pretty certain with using incineroar and amoongus/oger-h with it but i have just filler mons on the rest of my pokepaste

https://pokepast.es/f1357825de31981b

[drifting onyx]

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[lavish nexus]

Why would you bring both restricteds turn one?

updated version https://pokepast.es/499064f5528750bf

[flat oyster]

Zamzenta is more support in comparison to the present meta mons

You would need a good damage follow up

wide guard into cal-s is really nice with zamzenta and I see cals a lot

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/05708b8ba2eaed31 can i use ogerpon wellspring instead of the urishfu and why

I hate urishfu soo much and ogerpon is one of my favorites

[flat oyster]

Go pull up their base stats

see who is faster

You'll probably get got by close combat urshifu

and the amount of protect on showdown for reg I right now is wild

[random wagon]

although you hate urshifu, i recommend keeping it here

[jovial creek]

I would go rillaboom over flutter mane

double fake out+better into miraidon

[sand minnow]

Does urishfu have any weaker alternatives i can work with?

[flat oyster]

Sneasler

[random wagon]

not really

[sand minnow]

I just don't like to play with urishfu

[flat oyster]

But thati s a downgrade

[random wagon]

nothing else hits through protect

[flat oyster]

^^

Whole reason you run it

[sand minnow]

Oh thx

[jovial creek]

what does lando do

here

I don't see it

[flat oyster]

There is no sunny day on that team ^^

I couldn't figure it out earlier