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[hazy hamlet]

so i maybe replace urshifu-r with tera poison urshifu-s like on my calyrex-s team

[burnt surge]

 | Comfey                                 | 
 +----------------------------------------+ 
 | Raw count: 3205                        | 
 | Avg. weight: 0.005775236996568579      | 
 | Viability Ceiling: 77                  | 
 +----------------------------------------+ 
 | Teammates                              | 
 | Incineroar 88.864%                     | 
 | Rillaboom 58.201%                      | 
 | Terapagos 40.248%                      | 
 | Zamazenta-Crowned 33.359%              | 
 | Volcarona 33.289%                      | 
 | Thundurus 33.131%                      | 
 | Grimmsnarl 17.576%                     | 
 | Ogerpon-Cornerstone 17.358%            | 
 | Ogerpon-Wellspring 16.363%             | 
 | Azumarill 16.293%                      | 
 | Dragapult 15.218%                      | 
 +----------------------------------------+```

Yeah it mostly sees use w/ Terapagos and apparently Zamazenta-C

I still don't understand whether you are trying to build around Comfey or Caly-I

If you're looking for a Caly-I team that can function in either Trick Room or Tailwind, then Pelipper is the preferred Tailwind setter

[hazy hamlet]

see https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2025regg-2312582474

boring ass strats fr https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2025regg-2312587405

[burnt surge]

anyway, you should use the dex set for Calyrex-I

you don't need 3 Ice moves

[heady horizon]

incin has intimidate, i forgot change a few things

[marsh grail]

https://pokepast.es/07508cc63d2495d1

Beat Up Justified sand team

It’s awesome

My issue is even though I’m positive with it, the beat up part feels lucky and the sand part is lacking

[sonic wind]

unfortunately this is unviable

• No restricted legendary
• Sand is bad
• Justified Beat Up is Gimmicky at best and barely works in a high power level
  You wont find useful help here since we try and make it good for top level play

[marsh grail]

I thought this was reg g

[sonic wind]

yeah

Reg G is restricted format

[marsh grail]

It said one restricted legend

[sonic wind]

yes

[marsh grail]

Oh I read it back

I see wym

[sonic wind]

Restricted legendaries are box arts, like Calyrex-Shadow and Miraidon
you can use as many sub legendaries like Terrakion and Landorus as you want

[marsh grail]

I had caly shadow for a little bit but I felt like it did nothing for the team

[west glacier]

U can use Zama

Steel typing protects from Sandstorm

[marsh grail]

Is it faster than sand rush excadrill

[west glacier]

No. But its a restricted?

[marsh grail]

But it’s worse than excadrill

Doesn’t hit as hard nor does it outspeed

It’s not like having a restricted is going to inherently make it better

[burnt surge]

It very much will

like what happens when Rillaboom is pressuring Terrakion?

[broken shuttle]

+1 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 105-124 (62.8 - 74.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Life Orb Excadrill Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 82-97 (49.1 - 58%) -- 96.5% chance to 2HKO

into the same target with the same base power of move with a neutral hit

zamazenta does more

zamazenta-c hits harder

[marsh grail]

But only with body press

[broken shuttle]

its primary attacking move

[marsh grail]

When I already have two fighting types

[broken shuttle]

i mean

that's probably an issue with the team itself

[marsh grail]

I respect the effort but all of this advice blows team synergy completely out the window

[broken shuttle]

im not talking abt this in the context of the team, just explaining that you're wrong when u say that

[broken shuttle]

if you can't figure out how to fit a restricted on a specific team, there are plenty of sample teams https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-25-regulation-g-sample-teams-thread.3747193/ here to get you started

[marsh grail]

Tera grass rock slide

It doesn’t kill but it wins the matchup

[sonic wind]

The thing is,, not using a 700 BST beast is a significant disadvantage regardless, trying to make a team work without it is why team synergy can look messy to you. Restricted Pokemon are the centre piece of a team and this format, so you should be starting with it and working towards it instead of trying to fit it onto a cool team

[west glacier]

Iz for sure hits a lot harder than excadrill does

[west glacier]

If your concern is too much fighting may I suggest the other dog?

[unborn hull]

I think I did a good job :D https://pokepast.es/bb7b6a8ccb552752

[fresh flicker]

All things considered this is not a bad team, however I do note there are a few mons and spreads picked up from Wolfe-

[unborn hull]

Im new to vgc thats why.

And the i chose the pokemkn (for example im thinking of removing rillaboom)

[fresh flicker]

I think you don't need to as the team isn't exactly broken

[unborn hull]

Also the urshifu build is also the most used by far its not wolfe spread

[fresh flicker]

It in fact is

[unborn hull]

Rillaboom feels like my weakest link

[fresh flicker]

Well not inherently

[unborn hull]

Its been on smogon before the world championships

And also urshifu is kind of obvious that full offense is the best with focus sash (at least for me thats the build i planned on using and then i saw wolfes championship video so i knew it was good)

[fresh flicker]

However I do want to ask why change the Farigiraf and Raging Bolt?

[jovial creek]

Maybe make waterpon a raging bolt

I don't like double water

that's not a wolfe spread it's just normal shifu

[unborn hull]

I picked incineroar since its OP and rillaboom to deal with miraidon, ten i oicked urshifu for sweeper, i saa the wolfe video and oicked calyrex, then tornadus for speed control, and ogerpon cause im used to him

The moves and set for incineroar rillaboom and calyrex are of wolfe tho

[unborn hull]

I suck with rwging bolt ive used him on old teams and i just cant

[jovial creek]

You can probably go life orb calyrex

[jovial creek]

Wdym

Bolt is easy to use

[unborn hull]

I suck so bad with him im better with maushold than rwging bolt, idk i just cant

Also ogerpon is good in the rain tornadus can set up

[fresh flicker]

Yeah I'm confused. Raging Bolt is just a Bulky mon who spams thunderbolt and Thunderclap except for like the 5 things that resist its electric STAB

[unborn hull]

And ogerpons followmme is useful

[fresh flicker]

Of which in that case use Dragon Pulse

[unborn hull]

I also just almost never picked him when I oicked my pokemon

He just never felt important in any of the teams i did with him

[fresh flicker]

So if I'm going to guess you wanna go a more HO route no?

[unborn hull]

Whats HO

[fresh flicker]

Hyper Offense

[unborn hull]

I mean kinda, tornadus incineroar and ogerpon arsnt that offensive

[jovial creek]

But so does urshifu

If you want redirection you could try clefairy

Helps into tr teams

[unborn hull]

Idk ogerpon also has good offense making him versatile

[fresh flicker]

Yeah I forgot about Fairy for a second. It's definitely a good pick in place of Ogerpon

[fresh flicker]

Here's the thing you're missing

[jovial creek]

Here's the thing

[fresh flicker]

Your team is weak to TR atm

[jovial creek]

Urshifu and ogerpon step on each other's toes

Its not too weak to tr

But you'd have to be good

[fresh flicker]

Which he's new so technically he has a TR weakness

[unborn hull]

I dont know what TR is

[fresh flicker]

Trick Room

[jovial creek]

Exactly

[unborn hull]

Oh TR stands for trickroom

[unborn hull]

I mean, I am new

[jovial creek]

Yeah so i think clefairy could be nice

Since it makes the matchup super easy

[fresh flicker]

Clefairy has After you which can help patchup that match-up

[unborn hull]

Wait let me try to make a clefairy build tell me if its good

[fresh flicker]

Also it allows you to make hits a bit easier to stomach hits a bit easier

I think Clefairy already has a build in the smogondex no?

[unborn hull]

Clefairy @ Eviolite
Ability: Friend Guard
EVs: 252 HP / ? Def / ? Sp. Def
Tera Type: Grass
Sassy Nature

• After You
• Helping Hand
• Follow Me
• Protect

[fresh flicker]

Clefairy @ Eviolite
Level: 50
Ability: Friend Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 116 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
Tera Type: Grass
Sassy Nature

• After You
• Helping Hand
• Follow Me
• Protect

Here you go

[unborn hull]

Thx

Ima play a few rounds and see if i like it better

I got busy and have only done 1 game and, HOW DID CLEFAIRY SURVIVE THE WHOLE GAME, also rsging bolt gets hard countered by clefairy with follow me if the ragin bolt used thunderclap

Omg clefairy helping hand helped me make a comeback

[hazy hamlet]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9metronomebattle-2313397896 best turn one i have ever seen lol(expired) :(

[unborn hull]

I once OHKOd both of my opponent pokemon in turn 1 due to astral barrage wuth helping hand and both of my opponents pokemon were ghost types

[fresh flicker]

Don't share random battles here, this channel is not for that

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/e36ceddee17bf228 Koraidon team cuz im bored of calyrex-shadow

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[jovial creek]

Looks fine

Id ask how the mu into calyrex ice is

[broken shuttle]

i don't necessarily think u want incin and chi-yu on the same team

also knock off>tect on incin

[nimble flame]

See i couldnt decide between knock off or tect so thanks

[jovial creek]

I think you could get away with it

[broken shuttle]

i guess i'd say replace one of them with bolt but you get shamoned by cir without some additional tech

[broken shuttle]

i would try tera water or fire amoonguss

water is probably a better but fire isn't bad if u find yourself struggling into ogerpon hearthflame

it lets you tera into CIR a little more safely

[nimble flame]

CIR is ice caly right?

[broken shuttle]

yes it is mb

[nimble flame]

I just wanted to make sure i was reading correctly dw

Does cir run anything to combat tera water?

[broken shuttle]

not really

if you play GC you may see tera grass AV with seed bomb

but it's very rare

[jovial creek]

It runs friends

[broken shuttle]

this too

[nimble flame]

Fire is probably the safest choice then

[broken shuttle]

i'd test both and see which fits better + how the cir mu feels

[nimble flame]

I havent gotten any cir mu is the issues

[timber lake]

https://pokepast.es/637419e619759d93 doop dee Doo here we go again with a trick room team

wait don't check it

I forgot a few things

[broken shuttle]

ayo is that the whimsicott??

[timber lake]

https://pokepast.es/391ab1c0ce75c40a

I'm back

[broken shuttle]

ok so

regulation g is a restricted format

[timber lake]

I dont care

[broken shuttle]

well

[timber lake]

I'm poor

DLC legendaries are out of my reach, and Miraidon is too fast to work on this team

[jovial creek]

then you wil probably have to change

since we help for optimal teams

and the only way to do that in reg G is with a restricted mon

[timber lake]

I have Miriadon

And I'm working on getting Chien-Pao

but fine here https://pokepast.es/bd121ab4fbcb6317

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/3482c188f74acde8 this was my calyrex shadow team

[nimble flame]

What about from sword and shield?

[timber lake]

don't have any from that time, although that is a good point. calyrex and zamazenta are valid options for my team

I'll look into it, thank you!

[nimble flame]

Also raid dens can get you kegendaries from previous gens including the main good ones like landorus, urshifu, plus others

[nimble flame]

Well i know this much i have a bit of a problem going against miraidon teams which is annoying

I have to drop either chi yu or ogerpon and im not sure which i need to drop and for who

https://pokepast.es/0d35208ddc0936f5 new idea i changed cornerstone to heartflame and replaced chi yu with raging bolt

[humble lichen]

Why 27 speed IVs on Amoonguss? Enlighten me

[burnt surge]

Underspeeds -Spe Caly I

[humble lichen]

Cool

But at that point why not 0

[sonic wind]

Because then youre slower than opposing Amoonguss which can be terrible in any other match up, when you tera you become vulnerable to spore and they can sludge bomb you/partner before you can do something like pollen puff

[loud hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/62b124c8fb6006ce

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[loud hamlet]

Tr set, all criticism is welcomed

[jovial creek]

The first 3 were solid

But idk why you added dusclops luna and enam

Something like amoonguss raging bolt+1 would probably be better

[broken shuttle]

amoon is there alrdy bro

he meant raging bolt and urshifu-rapid-strike

[jovial creek]

Run another

[broken shuttle]

fr

[jovial creek]

Amoon and shifu are pretty much the same

[loud hamlet]

clops was supposed to be an alternative tr setter/support, enam is a koraidon answer, and Luna is another TR attacker

[broken shuttle]

you actually don't rly need enam for a korai answer

calyrex ice + friends already has a pretty positve matchup into korai

[jovial creek]

I'd say

dusclops luna enam->raging bolt urshifu rapid and one last mon of your choice

maybe a rockpon

[broken shuttle]

definitely a rockpon

[echo wadi]

https://pokepast.es/98b4b696fc77be61

TR, I have no experience with VGC but thought it sounded fun and wanted to try making a team and playing it, all feedback is greatly appreciated

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/84a5dfc6c938d3e3

try this if you are new

its better to learn the meta and how teams work before you try to make your own

[echo wadi]

no EVs or IVs listed there. im very familiar with OU, if that changes anything about your response

[jovial creek]

yeah I can send some if you need

[echo wadi]

if you have the IV's and EV's for that team i'd appreciate them, thanks

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/005b1f4ff1a15752 try this

[echo wadi]

thank you

[outer hazel]

plz rate my team https://pokepast.es/5e2ee5e4253b97f6

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[jovial creek]

its not very good, if you are new to doubles I'd recommend checking out a team that an experienced player as made so that you can get familiar with the format and how teams work before you try to build a team of your own

[random wagon]

agree with the above, it just feels like you put your playthrough team into vgc

[rough compass]

Rate this reg g team (please if it’s bad tell me I want improvements and recommendations)

(Flutter mane has life orb)

[random wagon]

there are a lot of things wrong with this team, whether it be the sets or your restricted of choice (necrozma-dusk-mane sucks, doesnt provide much)

i suggest running a sample/rental team

this team built also looks like it really wants koraidon or groudon as the restricted mon

[rough compass]

Necrozma dm is a good tank

What do you recommend I do with this team

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/a0987d5e3cccd973 was thinking about np or cm on calys but i almost never click either one and i don't particularly need any more damage, any ideas for replacements for dkiss or any possible changes to the team?

[jovial creek]

Probably go expanding force caly

Id say pollen Puff too maybe

And then whatever tera type you want

Whims over hands could probably work too

So you can go fast

[burnt surge]

I mean you have generally solid non-Restricted Pokemon (Ursh-R, Incin, Whims, Flutter) so you can just pick a different restricted like Miraidon or Zamazenta-C

[pallid saffron]

https://pokepast.es/93f582f751833eba

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[pallid saffron]

is this good?

[broken shuttle]

i'd say so! i like the core of ting-lu/dozo/pao/zama a lot and having flutter mane x ogerpon to round it out makes sense

[sonic wind]

This is very similar to a sample team with Flutter > Bolt
I prefer Bolt as it more easily pressures the Urshifu Ting-Lu is scared of but Flutter covers for the match ups where Urshifu pops off so Id say its fine

[dense nova]

I am trying to build my first team. I have never played competitively before. Currently have three pretty basic pokemon. Please @ me with any suggestions!

Incineroar @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Def / 160 SpD
Nature: Careful
Fake Out
Flare Blitz
Knock Off
Parting Shot

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Nature: Adamant
Fake Out
Grassy Glide
Wood Hammer
U-turn

Tornadus - Base @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid
Tailwind
Bleakwind Storm
Taunt / Rain Dance / Sunny Day (Weather Team)
Protect

[random wagon]

this channel is for conplete teams, you can take this to the smogon vgc discord or comp gen for more help

[dense nova]

ok

[loud hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/f1124cb2afad7e55

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[loud hamlet]

not 100 percent sure which restricted I should use but I’ll probaly run terapagos depending on what I should change

[sonic wind]

I'd highly recommend against building like this.

A restricted is the centre piece of a team and its way harder to find one that makes the team good instead of finding a supporting squad for your restricted to excel.

I'll say already team kind of lacks synergy with a lot of typing double ups and no particular Restricted appreciating this specific support, Tailwind Smeargle Sneasler suggest HO but Sneasler's bad, Urshifu doesnt synergise with Koraidon, Miraidon has anti synergy with Rillaboom, offensive Kyogre prefers Tornadus, Calyrex-S can't appreciate the inconsistent Fighting-types and lack of mirror countermeasures

[glad vortex]

https://pokepast.es/7c578ee9ad27db0f here is my team. im open to any changes

[hazy hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/01aae847c5dacec8 rate my team arararararar

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[hazy hamlet]

why reg H?

why tera normal ghodengo???

[random wagon]

why are you running ceruledge? Ive personally never been a big fan of ceruledge, just feels like dead weight a lot of the time, plus, you have urshifu that deals with csr and lando that pins zama pretty well, forcing it to tera and letting urshifu get the ko

I could see it doing well into koraidon, but at that point why not just run something that has a broader impact, such as raging bolt?

[hazy hamlet]

its a trick room attacker ppl dont prep for

thats why i didnt use the more common ones

[random wagon]

well some pokemon are common for good reason

there is also skeledirge and chandelure which tend to just do better than ceruledge for different reasons, from wisp to a strong scarfer

even with urshifu you feel sort of weak to calyrex-s

[glad vortex]

@SaltedBread my gholdengo is tera normal so it can take hits from other ghost types like opposing gholdengo

also im using reg h for link battles or battle stadium in pokemon sv, i just sant to get a feel for my team before i actually use it in competetive play

*want

[hazy hamlet]

k

[random wagon]

some other nitpicks for your team:
Lando-i’s evs dont really make much sense, you can probably run 252/252/4 or take the tang gang’s spread
You probably want tera dark, ghost, or stellar on Urshifu, since it can provide more damage or a fake out immunity.
Sucker Punch should be used over Poison Jab, grants more utility.
I personally don’t like Tera Grass Lunala, although you could probably keep it as Tera Grass, I like Tera Fairy or Dark. Tera Grass is fine though.

[hazy hamlet]

tera poison for the fairy types it is useless against

and tera grass to prevent spore

[random wagon]

if you really want to practice with your team i suggest playing the current format which is regulation g. It lets you have more practice into prevelant theeats so you can prep for things like tours.

[random wagon]

well you have sash so thats not that big of a deal

Tera grass i get just for me it’s a preferance thing

[hazy hamlet]

the reason i ran ceruledge and not skeledirge or chandelure is that ceruledge is a physical attacker, if my opponent gets a special defense buff like calm mind calyrex-s or creselia, my team would struggle to damage it

[random wagon]

Well cresselia doesnt really exist now does it

and urshifu already does this with wicked blow

[hazy hamlet]

there isnt a type combo that resists poison dark and fighting

its mainly a whimsicott counter

ig

since whisicott is 4x weak

[random wagon]

why would u need a whims counter

plus

lando gets sludge bomb

since whims is a support you generally arent trying to counter it

[muted portal]

https://pokepast.es/23f06fc3a0519d90

this is my first team

i tried centering it around the concept of making ceruledge do insane damage

[random wagon]

in the format of regulation g, you are allowed to use one restricted pokemon. Without one (like you have here), you are at a severe disadvantage. Since you say this is your first team and i assume you are a newer player, i suggest checking out sample/rental teams to get started.

[muted portal]

Do u have any recommendations for a restricted mon for my team?

[random wagon]

no offense to you or your team building ability, but i think it is best to start from scratch. If you want to use some well established teams to learn a bit about different restricted Pokemon, i recommend checking out these teams: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-25-regulation-g-sample-teams-thread.3747193/

[burnt surge]

So you will typically start teambuilding with a Restricted Pokemon in mind because you only have one of them instead of the other way around

In this case, it's probably better to try and build a new team around a Restricted Pokemon than figure out how you can adapt a team without a Restricted to have one

[copper citrus]

https://pokepast.es/e70dc0567887a5d1

Is there something I can improve on this team?

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[random wagon]

IMO a lot of these builds are off, or just the Pokemon choices (gastro, king, and arboliva feel off tbh)

i do think groudon next to ursaluna can be pretty cool, like a semi-trick room team

for starters, i would move clear amulet to groudon, switch earth power to precipice blades, fire punch to heat crash, will-o-wisp fo protect, and stealth rocks to swords dance.

and a ev spread of 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD and an Adamant nature should work for now tbh

For Ursaluna, i suggest flame orb as a item, as Guts ignores the negatives of burn and actually makes you do more damage

crunch should be swapped out for substitute. Headlong Rush already takes out all Ghost-types so Crunch isn’t totally necessary. Substitute also lets you call out defensive plays and stuff.

Finally for Ursaluna, i would switch Tera Normal for Tera Ghost or Tera Fairy, specifically for the Urshifu formes.
Incineroar looks pretty good already, i just suggest Safety Goggles for the Amoonguss matchup.
Tera Water is good and all, but I do like Tera Ghost for the Zamazenta-C matchup while still being good into Urshifu-R.

I think Farigiraf could be kind of funny over Kingambit, and Amoonguss over Gastrodon could be funny as well.

For the final slot, Chien-Pao could work, but so could Urshifu-S. Preferance i guess

[copper citrus]

Thank you 🙏

[wispy night]

https://pokepast.es/173679ac9c196644

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[distant trellis]

https://pokepast.es/4e002bffb277ae32 tryna give terapagos a chance for once instead of hating on it

[cursive mason]

Why fig luna on this build?

[sonic wind]

This has a lot of fundemental issues so I'll just redirect you to sample teams
Cloak Kyogre is mediocre, and no Water Spout on a Tailwind HO is also crazy
Basc sucks(unecessarily stacks typings)
No Wood Hammer on Rilla sucks (Needs to ohko important targets)
Clear Amulet on Urshifu sucks (Surging Strikes ignores Intimidate)
Garticuno sucks (outclassed and unimpressive)

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-25-regulation-g-sample-teams-thread.3747193/

[distant trellis]

Tbh Farig was there for priority control like fake out which can break Tera shell and also so I have a potential trick room mode while being able to reverse opposing TR teams, since my pagos is p slow and obv ursaluna, who just gives me an extra damage dealer that isn't terapagos

Although I am considering Lando I

[jovial creek]

Do you want a good pagos team

It's a weird mon to build

[distant trellis]

I like the rilla ursh incin pagos core but the last two feel kinda whatever 😭

yeah I wouldn't mind smth

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/158c1c9fdb083e39 try this

[distant trellis]

alright ty

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/a660c6172d901bce been thinking about having a banded dnite spam espeed and bait out a potential tera ghost from something for calys

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[tribal void]

any suggestions as for ev or set changes as well as mon changes?

pao's throat chop is also there to bait out tera's from stuff like farig or indeedee

also i am aware that pollen puff would probably be better thaan dpulse on calys im just tinkering around rn

[hazy hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/af1abf48a2caa99f respond if you wanna improve my team

[loud hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/c7b1a328b395c9c1

took some suggestions and would appreciate more

[untold relic]

something over zen on ogerpon, other than that it's aight

[steep walrus]

Working on an Articuno team. https://pokepast.es/eede5e766822f81c

[drifting onyx]

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[broken shuttle]

hi, just wanted to start out with the fact that at high level competitive play articuno is completely unviable in regulation g, meaning any team with it is suboptimal by default. use these https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-25-regulation-g-sample-teams-thread.3747193/ sample teams as a basis for quality!

[hazy hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/f55e26376e725e02 rate my team ararararar

[jovial creek]

It looks pretty suboptimal

For smeargle cir i think you either go hard tr or just balance

But indeedee ursaluna messes with the balance part

[jovial creek]

The question is just which one do you want to build

[hazy hamlet]

a cir smeargle team

[jovial creek]

Do you want to go very tr focused or more balanced

[hazy hamlet]

more balanced

i dont want my team to be too reliant on tr

[south token]

https://pokepast.es/790c3921278e6bf2 my first vgc team (1 - 10)?

[jovial creek]

Then I'd change indeedee and ursaluna to raging bolt and something else of your choosing

And for the smeargle go fake out spore decorate follow me probably

Also go clear amulet calyrex

[hazy hamlet]

burning bulwark is for physical attackers like rillaboom, other cir, and iron hands

and plus, portect is a great move already

heart swap is for when i get a good roll on moddy

moody*

like +atk -spa

ill be able to give it to my other pokemon like ursaluna

or ogerpon

decorate was chosen for obvious reasons

and helping hand was also chosen for obvious reasons

[jovial creek]

I know what they are for but generally things like spore and fake out make smeargle even more of a threat and help you set up tr or get an attack off with something

[real coyote]

https://pokepast.es/c6026044e2722aa4 been able to climb from 1000 to 1300 mmr with this team but im worried that it will begin to fall off soon so hoping to get some more experienced eyes to look and help me patch anything glaring. from experience, urshifu dark is its biggest weakness

[south token]

https://pokepast.es/790c3921278e6bf2 1 - 10? i like archaludon and miraidon

[hazy hamlet]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2317347816 biggest comeback ever lol

[south token]

https://pokepast.es/f556f643c025cb33 thoughts?

[random wagon]

I personally do not think archaludon is worth running unless run next to kyogre

And even then it's a bit meh

Dragonite and Politoed also kind of stink as of now, and I personally wouldn't want to run Flutter Mane on a Miraidon team.

Even looking at the Whimsicott, on these Miraidon teams, Covert Cloak tends to be better overall

Sash also gets removed thanks to Miraidon's dischdischarge

Well not removed but you know what i mean

*discharge

I recommend picking up a miraidon sample team or maybe one that did well at the recent Vancouver regionals and look at those or play with those to get some inspo

[random wagon]

This server is not the place to send replays unless it is related to the conversation/is relevant in the conversation.

[random wagon]

I do think snow+av caly-i could be really interesting, running so much bulk to make yourself almost unremovable is pretty cool

I do notice that, aside from Icy Wind, you sort of lack speed control

Chien-Pao also doesn't reallt work here IMO, i think you'd be better off with something like sash or scarf or even mystic water coaching uurshifu-r

[jovial creek]

That's probably less of an issue imo, I think that a team that isn't running clam cir needs 2 or 3 ways to strongly deter incin

[random wagon]

If you do run Urshifu-R i would potentially consider Ogerpon-C over Ogerpon-W

[jovial creek]

Id also be interested in maybe raging bolt over rillaboom

Helps threaten incin and is solid into miraidon

[random wagon]

Agree with that, maybe a Calm Mind set to take advantage of screens and fake out from incin

[jovial creek]

I don't like calm mind bolt in reg g

3 attacks life orb/booster is just more consistent

[random wagon]

I could see both working out

Also forgot to mention, switching up Ninetales's Tera to Water, Ghost or Fire and Calyrex-I's Tera to Water, Fairy, or Fire would be a nice change

[jovial creek]

Id also change some sets, blizzard>weather ball and maybe something else over icy wind

Can go tera ghost

[random wagon]

Tera Ice just isnt great defensively

And doesnt do great offensively besides tera blast and blizzard spam tbh

[jovial creek]

Cir tera could probably be anything

It's so flexible

[south token]

https://pokepast.es/723ccaf880e93692 any tips?

[real coyote]

Thanks dude I will try those changes. Ngl I rarely took chein pao so replacing them makes sense. I’d rather pick an urshifu counter over urshifu itself because follow me ogerpon-w is my main answer to Kyogre teams.

[real coyote]

Thanks for the suggestions dude, I’ll probably swap out weather ball for blizzard but I’m gonna keep icy wind because it allows (atleast from my experience) calyrex-I to outspeed a lot of support mons after being hit once allowing it to get a hit on before things like incineroar parting shot or rillaboom u-turn

[hazy hamlet]

where is tho?

[random wagon]

either the smogon vgc server or

Yeah thats all i can think if rn

[hazy hamlet]

ok

also

rate my team

lemme get the pokepoaste link rq

https://pokepast.es/a098bd86029d2302

[drifting onyx]

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[sterile cedar]

https://pokepast.es/512eec31827443dd I know it looks a little weird, but I’ve seen some pretty good games with this team. Mirrai, whim, ogre, and incin are standard. Val is ev’d to booster speed and have a lot of atk, and cc + moonblast actually goes crazy coverage. Coaching supports mamo and ogre, and wide guard also stops self discharge. Av mamo… is the mamgoat in practice. Trust on that one

Also ogre fire follow me is better into rilla than water. I know Mirrai teams can struggle with that matchup

[hazy hamlet]

wanna 1v1 to test your team?

bc im confused on what to correct

[sterile cedar]

Bet

[hazy hamlet]

k

SaltyPoultry2 is my username

[sterile cedar]

Indeedee becomes self sabotage since it cancels smeargles fake out and forces Urshifu to drop sucker. And it misses the benefits of terrain without an expanding force abuser. Possibly look into farigiraf and dropping taunt for follow me on ogre.

[hazy hamlet]

i dont bring more than one support mon

but ty for the tips

poison jab is for the fairy types that resist dark and fighting

[tribal void]

weakness policy will almost never proc well for the torkoal so i recomend charcoal or specs

drop lum from calyI for clear amulet as incin can just intimidate all over it and you have a lot of redirectors to redirect status

also fake out on smeargle is fine as long as you either dont bring indeedee when u bring smeargle or play smeargle in the lead

also go min speed on torkoal to underspeed amoong in tr

also evs are a little wacko imo

[hazy hamlet]

i use lum berry bc if amoonguss and other smeargle spore calyrex-i against a good matchup mon like koraidon, rillaboom

ill run min speed iv on torkoal

[tribal void]

redirection is there for that reason

max hp smearg instead of spdef

it allows you to live adamant surging from ursh

[hazy hamlet]

ok

[tribal void]

and tera grass is better to be immune to spore

[hazy hamlet]

k

imma replace indeedee

with farigiraf

im running tera ground on farigiraf so its immune to iron hands and miraidon

mental herb to disable taunt for 1 turn

thunder wave to stop high damage mons from using moves as often

wait]

nah

imma use protect instead of thunder wave

[latent flower]

https://pokepast.es/826e37e4a9884966
Hey, i'm new to VGC and made my first team! Was wondering for any suggestions or MU's that my team might struggle into

[random wagon]

Looks like a solid start! Specs Terapagos isnt doing too well right now, but is still very powerful. I'd probably cut the last three although, and in place would add Tornadus for Tailwind, Urshifu-R with Focus Sash because it's pretty broken tbh, and then something else that you would like to add

In that last slot you can probably keep Flutter Mane as well

Terapagos with specs likes to run max speed, although one did t4 vancouver with bols i think

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/98052ae4741c0e1e

[random wagon]

*bold

[jovial creek]

Id just use this

[random wagon]

was Alex running bold terap?

I know he tweeted aboyt his team i just haven't gotten around to reading it yet

[jovial creek]

Idts

That's mainly cm

[south token]

https://pokepast.es/b0bd9e2e5d87e3e8 thoughts?

[earnest frigate]

What should I use as my last pokemon

https://pokepast.es/58eae9a9f7bf2efe

[drifting onyx]

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[sonic wind]

Urshifu-R -> Hearthflame and Sunny Day > Rain Dance
kinda overlaps with Mienshao and Ogerpon still keeps the strength into important match ups like Pagos, ZamaC, Amoon, CIR, etc. Covers for Kyogre with Sun support too!

Last slot seems good as another anti Incin and even ZamaC Pokemon like Landorus. Also improves Mirai match up!

[earnest frigate]

Thanks 👍

[echo wadi]

https://pokepast.es/98b4b696fc77be61

[south token]

https://pokepast.es/b0bd9e2e5d87e3e8 thoughts?

[gilded stone]

Hello, I'm new to the forum and want to learn more about competivitive pokemon and try new things. Here my Team, that I built. https://pokepast.es/803902c56bf3af4f if there's anything that I should change let please me know?

[lost coral]

Hi guys can you all rate this team: https://pokepast.es/d8fea8966a25efbc

[drifting onyx]

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[lost coral]

I want to use this team for an upcoming regional that I am going to compete in soon

[jovial creek]

Hatterene>porygon 2 (another good psychic terrain abuser that also sets tr) charcoal>eject pack on torkoal (incin is everywhere so you don't want them to force a swap)

[jovial creek]

I think you are too all in on tr

Id recommend adding some Pokemon that work outside of it as well like Urshifu-R and Ragimg Bolt

Probably over cress and p2

[broken shuttle]

don't use giratina-o! it's not viable in the current format and does not have a niche over mons like calyrex-s and miraidon

sample teams are here https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-25-regulation-g-sample-teams-thread.3747193/ if you need something for any of the other viable restricteds

[jovial creek]

I was typing that

[broken shuttle]

you already sniped all of the comments i was thinking for the other two

smh

[jovial creek]

I was here first gg

[broken shuttle]

lies

[jovial creek]

I don't really like koradion dozo

But if you want to use it

https://pokepast.es/f7fe6f89c197ba84

Use that

[lost coral]

Why is tatsugiri tera normal?

[jovial creek]

Calyrex shadow

[lost coral]

Got you. That makes sense. And safety goggles is perfect against amoongus

I definitely got to practice with this team. But I do see the potential in it

[south token]

they are fast pokemon and it doesnt matchup with my tr team

[jovial creek]

You won't always have tr up though

So you can cover for that with some mid speed mons that also work in Trick room

[south token]

thats a good point

which pokemons i change then?

[jovial creek]

Cresselia and porygon 2->urshifu rapid strike and Raging bolt

[south token]

k

tysm

[silver dune]

Just out of curiosity sake too, can I get some feedback on my team build? :D
https://pokepast.es/d2ecd091540b44ee
It was originally built for VGC Reg H but unfortunately, the regulation used rn is reg G
but I'd like feedback on how this can be made viable for reg G (As a bonus though could I know how this team would fare hypothetically if this was still in VGC reg H pls? Thanks! :D)

[sonic wind]

Id say you wont find a way to make this a G team without replacing like 4 mons, Restricted legendaries are already huge, but sub legendaries and paradox Pokemon rule the usage stats and make it very hard to make a Reg H team work. These are the current Viability Rankings to give you an idea.

As for how good it is during Reg H, I cant definitely say anything as I barely played, but both Dondozo and Garchomp HO look brutal to face

[silver dune]

What's garchomp HO?

Also primarina was made to counter Dodonzo w/ tera blast (grass)

Would that not have been enough?

[sonic wind]

https://pokepast.es/c9210a63afe824be an example

Primarina isnt consistent as Dondozo can also tera and still 2HKO

actually Indd Gallade might make Dozo fine

shaky but manageable type

[harsh dagger]

https://pokepast.es/e21cdfb6b30e8fe1

I'm trying to make a curse based team where dragapult curses one of the enemy pokemon, then the rest are there to cause a nuisance and takedown any stragglers which may survive, what do you think?

Any updates on what pokemon could be swapped out what be greatly apprectiated

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[random wagon]

IMO this team should be dropped immediately, none of the pokemon are viable, or are just barely viable and have bad sets

I recommend sample teams, found here: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-25-regulation-g-sample-teams-thread.3747193/

[kindred sorrel]

I cannot help you with this, this team is genuinely baffling. Seeing this team made me feel like I got hit by a 4 times super effective focus punch cause I'm confused as hell right now.

[icy meteor]

https://pokepast.es/07d4c3d1c4ab38b3
so basically this is a hyper offensive team for the ladder in game (i need to get back on it again) and ive made like 6 quick teams today w their EVs done and everything so rn I’m tired asf and I need to sleep so if u could just help w this one that would be great. All I really need to know is the team’s more obscure weakness so I can EV for them and tweak the team if i need to. Feel free to give recommendations for the actual team too like what may be generally better cause like i said, I’m tired asf; I might have missed stuff

[kindred sorrel]

tbh everything in the team looks pretty good how many matches have you played with the team? If you play around 20 matches or so you should find what weaknesses there are pretty quickly

[icy meteor]

Literally none 💀

Well that’s not true
I played one but I’m so fatigued that I made the worst blunder ever turn one so I ff

[burnt surge]

Is Archaludon good in Reg G?

also surely you go Stamina > Stalwart on it

[kindred sorrel]

ah mate you gotta get some matches in then. we can't tell you how the team will perform if you haven't used it, I can see there's good stuff on the team and theres definitely good synergy but alot of the weaknesses are things you'd have to plan for yourself

[icy meteor]

Stamina = stall
Stalwart = dont get slowed down by redirection

Ironic given the names

[icy meteor]

Aight well thx anyways

[kindred sorrel]

I'd suggest getting some rest then trying out the team for a few days taking some notes of what pokemon give you trouble, then if you haven't found out any good counters you could come here with some more detailed questions that will more effectively allow you to build your team

[icy meteor]

Mmm thx

I see the team not doing well against Miridon teams, which is a huge problem obviously, but I’ll work on that tomorrow
Thx for the help once again
Appreciate it

[drifting onyx]

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[broken shuttle]

what is this even pinging us for

[jovial creek]

Deleted message

[untold relic]

dw dw it's totally not the demon etern team I've been building

[graceful veldt]

Heya, I’m new to VGC. Could I get some advice for this team?
https://pokepast.es/1279ff4d54830130
I’m doing pretty badly against Shadow Rider, specifically.

[untold relic]

snow is pretty bad right now, esp the articuno versions (I'm assuming you referenced the old articuno team that won a regional a while back)
quick claw caly-ice is also suboptimal, clear amulet is much better as it stops intimidate cycle / parting shot etc
roar should be trick room

if you're having trouble with caly-s could try to build around the roaring moon / caly-ice core

[graceful veldt]

Thanks!

Yeah I was referencing that team, lol

[icy meteor]

Right so I did some games, here is the team I ended up using for this @kindred sorrel

https://pokepast.es/033d8fff28c0d208

here are the replays, btw there were more but yeah idk, this was a very early this morning I did these and now it’s 7pm so I don’t remember shit

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2319789534 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2319795028 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2319800278 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2319804817-u58041wt2xt66ax6oi4cm98x12vieogpw

My rooms are like 1150 to 1250

[cinder delta]

So I have 2 teams and they both arnt good i think, can u tell me what i am doing wrong (feel free to @ me to respond

Team 1 Kyurem-Black @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Teravolt
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 172 Atk / 84 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Dragon Claw
• Ice Fang
• Tera Blast
• Fusion Bolt

Landorus @ Red Card
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 100 HP / 252 Atk / 100 Def / 24 SpD / 32 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Stomping Tantrum
• Smack Down
• U-turn
• Tera Blast

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 24 HP / 150 Atk / 24 Def / 60 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• U-turn
• Close Combat
• Bulk Up

Skeledirge @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Unaware
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 164 SpD / 92 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Torch Song
• Shadow Ball
• Alluring Voice
• Will-O-Wisp

Ogerpon-Cornerstone (F) @ Cornerstone Mask
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 50
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 68 HP / 252 Atk / 28 SpD / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech
• Swords Dance
• Spiky Shield

Metagross @ Life Orb
Ability: Clear Body
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 140 Atk / 116 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Meteor Mash
• Knock Off
• Iron Defense
• Agility

Team 2 Ho-Oh @ Blunder Policy
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

• Fire Blast
• Air Slash
• Earth Power
• Calm Mind

Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 180 HP / 100 Atk / 100 SpD / 124 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Seed Bomb
• Poison Jab
• Spore
• Stun Spore

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 180 Atk / 76 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Ice Spinner
• Close Combat
• Bulk Up

Azumarill @ Shell Bell
Ability: Huge Power
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk

• Aqua Jet
• Play Rough
• Draining Kiss
• Belly Drum

Mamoswine @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Thick Fat
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 24 HP / 252 Atk / 156 SpD / 76 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Avalanche
• High Horsepower
• Iron Head
• Stealth Rock

Landorus @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Stomping Tantrum
• Smack Down
• Tera Blast
• Bulk Up

[burnt surge]

!pokepaste

[drifting onyx]

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[burnt surge]

but also you're using unviable restricted Pokemon and horrendous sets

both of these teams should be scrapped and rebuilt around viable restricted Pokemon

[wanton abyss]

Hi, thanks for sharing! I would recommend borrowing teams before building your first team. There are also a lot of team building resources. To be blunt, these teams are unviable, so I strongly recommend using those resources to polish your skills

[fringe scarab]

https://pokepast.es/2f3e35a9ad3b2b40 So I wanted to build a team using Vileplume and this is what I got. I’ve been playing it for the past few days and I really like it. I do however struggle with a few matchups like the DAMN TURTLE, the horse riders (mostly ice), and then Kyogre is more a 50/50. Also Volcarona doesn’t seem that helpful. Out of all the games I’ve tested with this team I brought twice (against a Tera water Ice rider and a Zamazenta) but I don’t want to replace it because of these few matchups it helps in. Anyone care to share their thoughts?

[drifting onyx]

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[fringe scarab]

Sorry for the long post

[random wagon]

IMO vileplume isnt worth it. Jumpluff is much better with more utilitiy like Tailwind and Encore, on top of Sleep Powder.

Helping Hand on your restrcited should be Heat Crash, shouldn’t be run on any restricted pokemon outside of Double Restricted formats. Thunder Punch also tends to not work, Swords Dance works better tbh

AV Urshfiu doesn’t make that much sense honestly, Scarf or Band does much better with Tera Fire

and close combat over drain punch and uturn over poison jab

[pallid saffron]

https://pokepast.es/1569b70bc12db351
Zacian + Umbreon is my favourite combo but the rest of the team is just slapped on. Any changes i could make

[random wagon]

since you have the sun, flutter mane can also run sash.

walking wake also isnt good tbh, raging bolt with Lorb or AV does much more work here

[fringe scarab]

I know there are better options but I just thought it’d be more interesting to run plume, helping hand was an experiment but heat crash works better, and thunder punch is just for Kyogre.

[random wagon]

Finally, ogerpon-h probably does much better than volcarona here, especially since it still does well into caly-i and zamazenta whilst gaining a better kyogre MU

[fringe scarab]

It’s for shadow rider

[fringe scarab]

Got it

[random wagon]

if you run scarf you outspeed shadow rider, and you could also use sucker punch

since it has prio

[fringe scarab]

I did not know it outsped

[random wagon]

only with scarf

[random wagon]

there is really only one good zac+umbre team, the one used by kian back in 2024. I probably wouldnt deviate from it much

[fringe scarab]

Drain punch was for healing but since we’re not running best then yeah cc is better, poison jab is for fairy type and Tera poison was to boost its power

[fringe scarab]

I prefer booster so it isn’t as reliant on sun and it doesn’t tend to get one shot

[random wagon]

poison jab often doesnt come into play aside from pokemon going for tera fairy

u-turn also provides more momentum

and tera fire provides a burn immunity and caly-i resistance

[fringe scarab]

Good idea. I thought wake would work for since it’s faster but I’ll change it

[fringe scarab]

Thanks

[random wagon]

also flutter gets one shot like 60-75% of the time

that’s why ones on sun teams use sash, especially since sun grants the speed boost booster would give

[fringe scarab]

Really? I saw it a few times but not that often. Noted

[random wagon]

and if you use jumpluff then you can run sunny day on it to help with kyogre

[fringe scarab]

Actually what set should I run?

[random wagon]

ivy cudgel, follow me, horn leech/wood hammer/power whip (your choice on that one), and spiky shield. A EV spread of max attack and max speed with jolly should be fine for now

[fringe scarab]

Ok thank you

[cinder delta]

where to look

[vapid grail]

https://pokepast.es/fa42890734ccced7

looking for a final Pokémon really struggling with other calyrex ice and kyogre

[jovial creek]

I don't think that team is very good

A lot of the item and move choices are weird

And the mons seem random

[random wagon]

check here for teams: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-25-regulation-g-sample-teams-thread.3747193/

[graceful veldt]

Are there any notable mons that run 170-177 speed?

[balmy quiver]

https://pokepast.es/26656e03a334657a i'm wondering if there's any better alternatives to anything i'm running

[drifting onyx]

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[random wagon]

not much tbh, maybe max speed dozo?

[broken shuttle]

hi! you have a few weird choices on this six

first off, the comp itself: miraidon and amoonguss have some pretty big anti-synergy because miraidon's electric terrain prevents amoonguss's spore from working, meaning that amoonguss on a miraidon team would just be a passive redirection pokemon. Dragapult, in addition to not really offering anything to the team defensively, is not a quality pokemon in the current regulation.

https://pokepast.es/c59671f43a2e516a

this is a very similar composition that fixes a lot of the issues yours has

[balmy quiver]

ah i see

yeah honestly i kind of forgot about how electric terrain compromised amoongus

[pallid saffron]

https://pokepast.es/65529d113e1af773

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[pallid saffron]

I wanted to use gholdengo so i made this team

[wispy night]

https://pokepast.es/881e86a32dae94eb opinions?

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[slate echo]

Hey, I’ve been playing around with a few ideas. So this team is kinda a mess but for some reason seems to work. Anyone got any ideas of how to just make it better. Because this can’t be optimal. https://pokepast.es/36f8f71975a3ddbb

Also in my head koridon does not operate at all as a dragon type and ogerpon is basically a fire type and raging bolt is an electric type

Snealser is basically there for fake-out and because I couldn’t find a tailwind user I liked so speed is just priority and flutter and snealser ability

The big matchup that is awkward is trick-room that’s why rilla is there to remove tarrian and allow fakeout

[sonic wind]

This can suck into Farigiraf or just Calyrex-Ice with support. Especially considering almost your whole team hates Incineroar. I think Life Orb Koraidon is just not worth it on almost every structure and that Clear Amulet is significantly more useful. If Sneasler is just there for Fake Out, its better as anti-Trick Room like Ditto or Umbreon.

Also I think we can both agree Koraidon is pretty much a Fire-type, Ogerpon-C has more synergy than Ogerpon-H as less offensive overlap and Cornerstone can smack a lot of the Pokemon Koraidon doesn't like.

[slate echo]

Yeah honestly, maybe a helping hand umbreon set could help just to ensure damage

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[broken shuttle]

lucario is a pretty unviable mon, i would check out this version of Kian Campbell’s world’s team for a pretty similar zacian-c build!

https://pokepast.es/dfbecdb1733cad82

[graceful veldt]

https://pokepast.es/a3f70b12328a55a1
Hi hi! Here’s my scuffed team. I’m trying to see how high I can get on the ladder with almost mono ice…
My biggest issue at the moment seems to be Zamazenta. How can I reliably counter it?

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/749a8e50b25fd5fe

Stole this from a Brazilian streamer, made one or another slight adaption, Wo-Chien + Kyogre with Swords Dance Hands

edit: fixed the Kyogre spread

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[sleek laurel]

their original team I felt was too reliant on Kyogre for damage (it had no Urshifu and a Klefki) so I changed a bit of stuff while keeping the core

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/e10072ad998ad11a i saw a lot of people in tournaments running ground types on mirai and wanted to try it out with landoI. The main problems ive had so far have been from cornerpon + calyI teams and against arubega mirai teams. was wondering if anyone had any advice or changes for the team or me

[random wagon]

prob want taunt on shifu

[jovial creek]

Why do so many people run taunt shifu

I don't get it

[broken shuttle]

i think you probably still want psychic farig there

i think the damage on shroom is better than blocking dpunch

you have SD hands so you should damage trade into opposing hands just fine

• raw damage is way better into hands and shroom

[broken shuttle]

crutch against shroom for teams that greed super hard into it

[broken shuttle]

what if you try hands>incin and urshifu-s over urshifu-r?

this keeps your csr mu a bit more intact while improving the mirror and cir

[broken shuttle]

i suppose you could try lando-i, but snow is really bad and ice rider doesn't rly have any synergy on the team

i would just use a sample team

that 6 is pretty unviable

[tribal void]

the problem with running ursh s when i use it feels like fighting lando

since lando threatens so much of my team

[broken shuttle]

yeahhh

that's fair

i just don't rly see a way to fix the CIR weakness without compromising the CSR mu

[sleek laurel]

Ah ok thanks

[broken shuttle]

the meta has shifted away from psynoise i think

the team looks cool tho

[sleek laurel]

Anything else stands out or that’s it?

Thanks lol

Will forward to the guy

[broken shuttle]

i would maybe test scarf ursh

[sleek laurel]

I considered it, don’t think anything benefits from Coaching so I’d just go U-Turn + Jet

[broken shuttle]

yh

actually

[sleek laurel]

Will test both tbf

[broken shuttle]

i think you rly want it here

[sleek laurel]

Yea now that you speak of it

[broken shuttle]

revenging csr is super important

[sleek laurel]

The Speed control is DIRE if Tornadus drops

Or vs opposing Tailwind

[broken shuttle]

• u have farig alrdy so nbd if bolt

[sleek laurel]

Yea

[broken shuttle]

scarf ursh is great in the mirror asw

[sleek laurel]

True, good spot there

I considered it briefly but didn’t give much thought to the CSR mu immediately when I did so

Thanks

[sleek laurel]

Question, do I go Tera Water on it or remain Grass?

[broken shuttle]

i think water

but if u find you're losing too much into amoon then grass is still good ofc

[sleek laurel]

I thought so too yea

Thought I’d check Ty

[broken shuttle]

but i think u kinda need water to revenge caly effectively

[sleek laurel]

Amoong seems like a bit of a problem on paper, but Grass Kyogre + SD hands should be able to overwhelm it

Yea that was my main concern

Ty

[broken shuttle]

i mean

oka

SD hands does not overwhelm amoon

grass ogre + farig + torn should work tho

personally i also rly like 'cane on torn

bleak is fine tho ofc

[sleek laurel]

Mostly Kyogre tbh

Forgot Amoong can heal for a moment there (edit: and also the resists LMAO)

Ok well it’s just Regen but

Brainfarted

This is why you don’t sleep 4 hours then go to cram school for 6

[burnt surge]

Built more Bird but I wasn't sure about Taunt on Watershifu and Psychic Noise on Farigiraf:
https://pokepast.es/7279ed2a5c12f362

Also is BE or LO better on bolt?

or Lefties

[sleek laurel]

I am personally a fan of Taunt, but I'm not sure this team wants it as much (Bird + Farig + Urshifu being Grass Tera for Amoonguss and just Imprison Farig for Trick Room)

Psychic Noise on Farig is something I'm used to automatically putting on the builder but gephicka wasn't the first to tell me it's getting outdated, I just put it on muscle memory

usually Life Orb on Bolt is more relevant on Sun teams (when compared to Booster), but for that one I'd 100% wait for someone else

and whenever "someone else" reads this, can you make use of it to confirm me that 3 attacks Raging Bolt really wants to use 252 HP / 4 Def / 252+ SpA?

because I have been skeptical of that since The Big Bang but never got to ask

[normal nacelle]

lefties is mid on non cm bolt and cm bolt is not that great this meta
seems like you're bulky bolt especially w/ screens so I would reccomend booster here; sun probably isnt common enough anyways, mainly just about how much you switch which I dont thin you do enough of anyways
psychic noise is mainly for hands which you're fine into anyways, helps into amoong and cm pagos too (cm pagos does look like a weak point for this team)
u could go either way with taunt, I like it here since you have other forms of priority; you could use it over cc tbh and just rely on surging for the pagos mu, preference based tho

[south token]

https://pokepast.es/0565249de80c971b thoughts?

[broken shuttle]

i don't necessarily like farigaraf here

it feels a touch too passive, outside of bolt and ursh you're lacking a bit in damage

[broken shuttle]

or grimm for that matter

i think u rly only need one of them

[burnt surge]

I was thinking so but I was also concerned about both speed control and Miraidon

and CSR to a lesser extent

I considered Porygon2 but opted against it and settled on Farig

[broken shuttle]

looks good! only have 3 real notes

1. I would go choice scarf urshifu over choice band as you don't have a real way of actually outspeeding and OHKOing calyrex-s, it gives you much needed speed control
2. Personally I would go 196 hp on bolt to garuntee surviving glacial lance, as with 188 it's a very slight roll to live (this is personal preference however and is not a final suggestion)
3. The Pelipper spread is super weird! First off– it's a focus sashed mon, meaning that you don't necessarily need to run anything besides max special attack and speed. Also, a lot of your numbers are not actually numbers that give you stat points and you have a lot of weird numbers there

[broken shuttle]

i do like farig here

i think helping hand>imprison is better

and then i would replace grimmsnarl for something

i like the idea of either choice scarf landorus-i or life orb landorus-i

if you do lorb then i would change the urshifu to scarf

[burnt surge]

I can do Lando

[broken shuttle]

it's a tradeoff either way

you get more consistency out of lando with scarf, but you lose on being able to OHKO CSR like scarf ursh rapid

both versions should be pretty playable either way, it's just up to comfort and whatever works in testing

[burnt surge]

I'll try the Scarf Ursh variant

I'm just terrified of Tera Caly I

since Ho-Oh can struggle to deal with it

[south token]

so what should be the pelipper evs?

[broken shuttle]

252 special attack 252 speed

4 hp

[south token]

k ty

[broken shuttle]

timid

[graceful veldt]

fair lol, I’m aware the team really isn’t good. Still hoping to reach top 500 without switching the first four mons though XD
Thanks!

[south token]

tysm bro, gn

[broken shuttle]

gn

[slate echo]

Any advice? This feels pretty solid but struggles and relies a lot on positioning when versing farigiraf mirdidon

https://pokepast.es/9b3e143f7d500bc4

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[slate echo]

Main thought are maybe swapping ogerpon or flutter as they kinda feel just their. Like they work but they don’t feel crazy. But my removing them I lose my speed control and redirection

[sonic wind]

Think I gave my feedback alr
Umbreon/Ditto are better vs CalyI and fit the Incin slot
you suck pretty badly into Incin without Clam Korai

[slate echo]

Cheers

[humble tendon]

This team sucks because I'm new but pls leave tips

might be blurry

[fresh flicker]

I recommend using sample teams if you're new to team building

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3747193/

[humble tendon]

thanks

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/7fa06860ce827701
How's this team for reg I

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[broken shuttle]

definitely a little all over the place

the nonrestricted mons form a bulkier core while you have 2 restricteds that are basically the most offensive in the game

you have direct anti-synergy with rillaboom and miraidon, and basically 0 zacian mu

if you want something generally consistent, https://pokepast.es/b4f350b69e671214 this won a decent sized limitless tour and is pretty well build overall

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/0910dba2ad1d159a
How about this

[narrow dock]

It says page not found

[broken shuttle]

oops lol

fixed

[broken shuttle]

this works & is probably smth worth testing

[broken shuttle]

you should do psychic over psyshock on caly, power whip over horn leech on ogerpon, and either taunt or aqua jet over coaching on urshifu

also use this zamazenta spread

Zamazenta-Crowned @ Rusted Shield
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 100 HP / 4 Atk / 236 Def / 4 SpD / 164 Spe
Impish Nature

• Behemoth Bash
• Body Press
• Wide Guard
• Protect

[kindred kiln]

https://pokepast.es/4b16e145086ae1ef im trying to do a tailroom team but im struggling to think of other team members for this

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[kindred kiln]

Only other things i can think of is maybe bundle or bloodmoon but thats about it

Possibly cresselia too but still not sure

[unborn hull]

Idea: loaded dice urshifu-rapid strikes

[burnt surge]

loaded dice doesn't make surging strikes hit more than 3 times

[unborn hull]

Judging from the slowking is there a strategy with this team thats more complex? As theres usually better trickroom setters (Porygon2 or calyrex-ice himself)

[unborn hull]

Oh :( is it an exception

[burnt surge]

yes

because surging strikes naturally only hits a maximum of 3 times

[unborn hull]

Makes sense itd be way too op

[broken shuttle]

i don't think this concept is good

for starters, slowking-G and specifically trick black sludge are not at all valueable

you have a lot of type overlap between gking calyrex and chien-pao

calyrex is not EV'd to actually function under trick room and tailwind

and tornadus is usually not the best for tailroom style teams (although i'm sure you could make it work)

if you wanna use caly-i tailroom i'd suggest picking up justin and shiliang tang's san antonio team https://pokepast.es/df89193701b771ed

[kindred kiln]

Ngl my choice was either tornadus and whimsicott for this but kinda defaulted to torn

I might run it with rain dance if i go with lando aswell as a backup

[broken shuttle]

if you wanna start with caly-i torn that's fine

gking and pao do not fit on that core tho

[kindred kiln]

Oh ok ty

[cedar cedar]

Dual Restricted format team

[broken shuttle]

idt you need tera blast torn, i would just go for protect or taunt

[cedar cedar]

Psychic Terrain blocks priority, so Tera Blast is the replacement because it allows Tornadus to counter Miraidon. 0 SpA Tera Ground Tornadus Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Miraidon: 98-116 (52.1 - 61.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[broken shuttle]

running a mid move for a 2HKO is kinda questionable

[cedar cedar]

A lot of teams are going to have Miraidon in a dual restricted format

[broken shuttle]

i think protect is good here bc it allows you to position around opposing tailwind teams

[broken shuttle]

obviously, but you don't need tera blast ground to deal with it

you already have CSR to outspeed and damage it, indeedee to change terrain, and zama and ogerpon to take hits from it

the team is fine into miraidon, you get more out of a better move like protect

[cedar cedar]

Alright understandable

[dense belfry]

could I get some advice on this team, wanted a team built around dragonite, not sure whether im missing any important stuff as i usually play singles and am getting into vgc
https://pokepast.es/45e75b1e98b61a1b

brief thought process:

dragonite: standard band set bar iron head to catch fluttermane switch ins

tornadus: bleakwind storm for decent chip damage to open the path for espeed and to cover for the lack of aerial ace, tailwind is just there, was thinking of getting rain dance instead of sunny day as I am running energy booster on fluttermane and can then remove boosts from opponent paradox pokemon while making bleakwind storm 100% accurate, while sunny day helps against stuff like kyogre

incineroar: its incineroar

chien pao: for sword of ruin partnership, also hits grass types with ice spinner

fluttermane: just enough speed evs to get speed boost and booster energy for when there isnt sun to outspeed other paradox pokemon/calyrex-s

koraidon: helps checks zacian-c after tailwind/icy wind/bleakwind storm support or a flame charge

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[cedar cedar]

I would suggest replacing Rocky Helmet on Tornadus with a Covert Cloak to not have a problem with Fake Out. Also, use this EV set instead.

It’s guaranteed to live a spread Astral Barrage.

As long as it doesn’t crit

[solemn juniper]

hi, im new to competitive pokemon specially in doubles and i tried to do my first doubles team and was wondering how good it is and stuff, i tried to do a rain based team so ye

[dense belfry]

i see

thanks!

[jovial creek]

thats not very good, most of the pokemon are too weak for the current format that allows restricted legendaries (kyogre and groudon and such), there are some rain teams that use stuff like overqwill that I can send you if you want!

[dense belfry]

are there any other suggestions pokemon wise

not too sure how incineroar fits in the team or if there are better options

[solemn juniper]

they allow legendaries? i was watching wolfie and i swear the most recent didnt allow them guess im wrong

[jovial creek]

That was 1 format ago

[solemn juniper]

ah

[jovial creek]

The current one does

[solemn juniper]

stuff changes too quick xd

[jovial creek]

True

[solemn juniper]

i tried this team some battles and i like the strategy in general but my opponent had sunny day which kinda screwed me over

[dense belfry]

theres a pool of legendaries that are considered restricted and it allows 1

stuff like tornadus entei etc arent restricted though and can be used

[solemn juniper]

would a tornadus with rain dance (if he learns that xd) help in my team in case the opponent decides to take the rain away?

srry if the questions are dumb i never double battles before pokemon games dont prepare u for this xd

[dense belfry]

it depends on the rest of your team ig

[solemn juniper]

something like this and replace prob floatzel?

[dense belfry]

but i think as bigfoot said most of the pokemon u are using are too weak/have better alternatives

[solemn juniper]

ik that pelipper amoonguss and archaludon seemed pretty good no? or is that bc of the no legendary etc thing?

[past harbor]

Aerial ace kills flutter anyways

[dense belfry]

it doesnt

[jovial creek]

Team looks quite flutter weak

At first glance

[dense belfry]

yeah tested it abit

had trouble dealing with fairy teras as well

maybe ill replace tornadus or incineroar for something that deals with zamazenta zacian/tera fairy miraidon raging bolt

any suggestions?

[cosmic salmon]

https://pokepast.es/35a56dbbcc84da04 is this good for reg g doubles?

[burnt surge]

Choice Scarf > Choice Band on Urshifu; you probably want to go Adamant as well to get the KO on Caly S w/ Tera Water Surging Strikes

Tera Ghost seems redundant w/ Covert Cloak on Torn, and truthfully you could probably put a bit more bulk on it

Black Sludge is not good on Amoonguss because it is actively detrimental if you want to Terastallize; go with Sitrus Berry or Rocky Helmet

Otherwise looks fairly standard

[cosmic salmon]

ah alright

thanks

any other way it can be better?

[random wagon]

on urshifu, i would drop ice punch and drain punch for aqua jet and uturn
Icy Wind Tornadus is cool and all but tends to not work in practice, I recommend Rain Dance/Taunt
Incineroar doesn’t really need Tera Grass when using Safety Goggles. I personally enjoy Tera Ghost to help beat Zamazenta-C, but Tera Dragon and Ghost work as well.
Incineroar’s EVs could also use some work (u can check on munchstats). I also recommend dropping Protect for Will-O-Wisp.
Giga Drain Amoon is a fraud, Spore is 100% necessary. Also drop Clear Smog or Protect for Rage Powder.

[pallid saffron]

https://pokepast.es/754d332acfb6441f
Pretty standard miraidon team but I was wondering if ursaluna-bloodmoon would work here. Any reccomendations/optimizations would be nice

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[broken shuttle]

the mirror matchup looks pretty rough here

you aren’t fairy miraidon, they’ll usually have whimsicott for speed control and light screen

it’s probably playable if you can get up tr but even then i think hands under TR has crazy value into you

[pallid saffron]

should i change to tera fairy dazzling gleam? I wouldnt be opposed to it

[broken shuttle]

i would go tera fairy dgleam

yeah

esp since you’re max speed

that makes the mu way better

that aside i kinda like bloodmoon here

it means you can go TR into CSR balance really easily w. like mirai + farig lead w. bm hands in back

i can’t necessarily see any other mus that seem particularly bad

i don’t super care for impish pon on miraidon but i think it makes sense here

even with tera fairy you’ll still have to be careful abt the mirror

[broken shuttle]

only other suggestion i have is psychic>hvoice on farig, other than that looks good!

[pallid saffron]

how should i deal with the mirror?

[broken shuttle]

it’s tough

i would do smth like ogerpon+miraidon

and follow me + spam dgleam

i don’t actually think bloodmoon is thst great in the mirror unless they don’t have hands

so if they don’t have hands i would suggest miraidon+farig with bloodmoon hands in back

if they do miraidon + pon is probably the move

and then hands + farig in back

[pallid saffron]

alr tysm

[broken shuttle]

if you can get TR set up then it’s def more playable

[broken shuttle]

totes!

[elfin plaza]

New to VGC Teambuilding, having Some trouble with Defensive IV spreads, also unsure about Cresselia on this Team

(Edit: Incen is Running Flareblitz not Temper Flare)

https://pokepast.es/a52c84721ba9ce65

[broken shuttle]

hihi! you have some weird picks here that may not necessarily be obviously as weird to you bc you’re knew

i’m gonna run through what makes the team weird and then give you a few alternative teams to help you get started

calyrex-ice rider is primarily a physical attacker and due to that does not like running the move psyshock because it uses its weaker special attack in damage calculations

[elfin plaza]

Thanks Alot, Ive switched the Cresselia for Amoongus and Psyshock for Draining Kiss so Far. Unsure what to do with Iron Hands, since i rarely Bring it and i would Rather have Life orb on Lando bc of Sheer Force

Also i Struggle against Dondozo/Tatsu

[broken shuttle]

ninetales-alola isn’t super commonly used in the current format as the power level is a lot higher so it often gets overpowered and taken advantage of, same goes with cresselia as they are both fairly passive

a lot of your EV numbers are a little questionable as well

[elfin plaza]

Yeah I figured Cresselia is a Dead End even tho i been Enyoing AloTails so far since my positioning isnt clean yet and Aurora Veil Helps keep Mons Alive

Any Suggestions on Better EV spreads?

[broken shuttle]

for now i would take a team from here: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-25-regulation-g-sample-teams-thread.3747193/

they should have enough teams to get you started and figure out the game

[elfin plaza]

Roger that

[broken shuttle]

if you're interested in learning more abt VGC i'd also suggest you join the Smogon VGC Discord: https://discord.gg/QjWTrvcp

[elfin plaza]

[broken shuttle]

they'd be happy to help you with any VGC-related questions (feel free to send teams here asw ofc!)

[past harbor]

You can also go ice spinner + U turn to remove miraidon terrain, btw

[random wagon]

ice spinner ursh-r just isnt good tbh, you click it much less than expected

[lilac wadi]

Hey everyone! I'm kinda new to VGC teambuilding, but I've already put together a few teams with different strategies. I'm seeking for some help with two teams, one uses Trick Room and the other one I try to mix Perish Song with Regigigas + Weezing w Neutralizing Gas.

Both them are really struggling against Miraidon, Kyurem, Reshiram and Amoonguss + Spore teams.

Trick Room: https://pokepast.es/8270bbd5391f2f89
Perish+Neutralizing: https://pokepast.es/3c9fb87d43bd0769

Would really appreciate any help and feedback!

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[quaint seal]

Try taunt, safety goggles, or maybe even substitute

[sonic wind]

You're using a handful of unviable Pokemon and it makes it hard to identify if your losses are a team or play issue. Id highly recommend just starting out with sample teams to get yourself familiar with the metagame and whats good

[drifting onyx]

VGC24 Regulation G (Gen 9)

• Sample Teams
• Viability Rankings
• Speed Tiers
• Metagame Discussion Thread
• VGCPastes Repository
• Discord
• Pokémon Showdown! Room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[fringe hare]

https://pokepast.es/7395c48da9ac3072

Kyogre sets up Rain and is set up to be bulky, Ogerpon is also bulky, Incineror and Primarina are both sweepers and Kilowatteral can set up tailwind

[lilac wadi]

thx a lot! I'll try to build a team with more meta pokémon... most of my picks were just because I like them

[pallid saffron]

https://pokepast.es/19a19f224f3522cd
Not really too serious of a team but i find grafaiai unbelievably funny to use

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[jovial creek]

I think chien pao would just be better over grafaiai right?

If you want to keep it

Give dozo wave crash/eq over sleep talk

And probably swap chi yu and tatsugiri items

[jovial creek]

Actually nvm don't do that

I changed my mind

[pallid saffron]

maybe but grafaiai serves more as a support mon. Also i dont want to run icicle crash pao cus accuracy

what evs should wave crash dozo run? I just copy and pasted the one from the csr team i use

[jovial creek]

Same probably work

I'm not really a dozo expert

[tribal void]

usually id run enough speed at +2 to outspeed adamant ursh

and everything else is free game as long as its not spatk

thats what i find good enough for dozo evs

[random pollen]

Guys I know this is a rates for already existing teams but

I’m tryna make an ursaluna, caly ice, oranguru trick room kinda team

[elfin plaza]

Im using Slow Lando-T with my Caly Ice rn, not too bad but im by far no expert lol

[fringe hare]

Changed some stuff up now, how's this?

[earnest frigate]

Why do you have protect on a specs kyogre

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/2862f8357d261b44

[drifting onyx]

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[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/9dd051b487ad7461 any things i should change or could improve on? I want to mention that the ogerpon was a last minute throw on I tagged in cause i had no idea what to put in the last slot. In hindsight, a scarf lando or some speed control would be nice in this slot but oger has slighty been paying out in the games ive played

also would appreciate if anyone could point out possible bad matchups or mons to look out for

[broken shuttle]

i think the team is still a touch slow for CB urshifu

also not entirely certain abt the CIR spread

the structure is a little all over the place i don't necessarily know what the team is trying to do

you could try a faster calyrex-ice and then drop ogerpon val for torn +1

but i think tornadus is a bit awkward on cir comps

i guess it's like

what are you trying to build

[fringe hare]

How is this team? https://pokepast.es/246ce5bed5f2712d

It's a sample team I found off reddit from 2 months ago

[broken shuttle]

definitely some strange choices, boots on incin is essentially useless since entry hazards barely exist in vgc, you need rage powder on amoonguss for redirection, you have two booster energies which is banned by item clause

i think u could clean it up a bit

https://pokepast.es/175e54770eed88b7 this is a really consistent kyogre six with a lot of results

[tribal void]

sorry for the late response, I guess im trying to build a calyI team with like wide guard + coaching support from iron val and I slapped on banded ursh cause i found that going against ditto was annoying sometimes. The thought process is that urshifu can punch holes or pick up some ohkos that would help calyI clean up and iron val with coaching and wide guard would support them. Bolt is for waters like ursh rs and kyogre. I did mention that I was thinking about some sort of speed control but i feel like a lot of the common speed control mons like twind torn,whims or roaring moon would be awkward to fit into the team

i also want to add on that I have difficulty going against zacian with this team due to not really having anything that hits zacian hard

[broken shuttle]

i think the core of cir/ursh/bolt works pretty well but the problem is val has so much overlap with the existing core that it doesn’t really contribute much to the team

you could go a lot of ways with it, you could try the Rio-winning six (https://pokepast.es/8449e8df4d2dcc1a) or the second place worlds team (i don’t have the exact paste) or the standard cir rain balance

i just don’t think the structure of the team is very coherent and you’d be better off trying proven CIR cores and adapting them to what you like

Ian’s top 8 vancouver team and the Grimmsnarl CIR stuff are pretty solid asw as the other three options i mentioned

https://pokepast.es/170a0ed3b4a574f8
https://pokepast.es/298ef28874b42ad9

[tribal void]

thanks for the tips! Ill try out these teams to see whats more comfortable for me.

[jovial gulch]

https://pokepast.es/2d50653c4b850bda any advice would be greatly appreciated; team feels good but lacking somehow and I’m not experienced enough to know what I’m missing, I think it’s damage but I’m not sure

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[prisma moat]

https://pokepast.es/bd6d21ea177da03e This is my first attempt at teambuilding. I would ryly appriciate any tips on what to change, some better EVs and any lack in important coverage. I feal like the least usful pokemon on this team is Torkal, should I replace him by something else?

[tribal void]

@prisma moat @jovial gulch Since you both are not very experienced at building, I highly recomend checking out the sample teams that are provided in the following link. https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-25-regulation-g-sample-teams-thread.3747193/ Since you both are not experienced looking/testing out sample teams may help out in terms of learning how to build and understanding the meta game better before building.

i suggest this due to both teams using pretty unviable mons with unviable movesets. looking at the sample teams and playing with them can help out in learning good common partners with your restricteds of choice

[jovial gulch]

While I agree that my movesets need work I would argue that calling my team “unviable” is a pretty bad take; the only mon on my team you could reasonably argue that for is armarogue and he’s my least brought mon anyway so I’m not too worried about that
I was more hoping for actual feedback on my team instead of just a “you suck use these” answer but thank you for your time.

[prisma moat]

It was mainly to me, I use 3 mons that have near 0% usage

[jovial gulch]

He tagged me and included me in the answer so I assume everything applied to me too
I feel like it’s not a great answer to you either as you also asked for actual feedback and not just a “you suck use these” answer
I can explain and justify why each and every mon and move is on my team and was hoping for a little more of a nuanced convo

[tribal void]

i never said it was unviable

[burnt surge]

3 normal types and a dark type seems excessive

and the support you have doesn't help Specs Terapagos

It wants damage amplification like Chi-Yu, not screens support from Grimmsnarl

Also, almost no Terapagos are Choice Specs anymore

[tribal void]

sorry if it might sound like i am trying to say that you're team sucked, but it was more about how the team has 1 unviable mon and a few sets that are a bit iffy. I just wanted to say that i recomend checking out the sample teams for learning more as you said yourself that you lacked experience and the sample teams are a great way to learn if you're lacking experience with building and to improve on your teams

[burnt surge]

the most common Terapagos set is bulky Calm Mind, which would actually benefit from much of the support you have

Even still, some of the Pokemon (like Armarouge) and the move choices (Moonblast Blursa, Psychic Terrain Farigiraf, Fake Out Grimmsnarl) are suboptimal

[prisma moat]

I put some justyfications for all unusuall mons in the notes. I was mainly hoping for some tips about EVs and Torkal, witch never feals worth bringing to battle. If you could say something about that it would be great.

[jovial gulch]

You’re all good bud I just have been using sample teams and watching videos and stuff for a while now so I finally wanted to dive in and get my feet wet on actually going for my own spin on stuff

[tribal void]

brave on torkoal makes no sense as torkoal is a special attacker and its fire type attacks are mostly special attack. I recomend running 252 spatk with a quiet nature and 252 hp on the torkoal

[burnt surge]

https://pokepast.es/d74613d4b31fbb66
This is what the main Calm Mind Terapagos team looks like; you can take it and tweak it as you like

[jovial gulch]

I appreciate the feedback; yeah no I don’t think I’ve clicked psychic terrain on the giraffe once lol I’ve had it on there just for the odd time I bring armarogue
The moonblast on blursa was strictly just for coverage
I haven’t tried the calm mind set yet on the turtle so I’ll give that a go thank you

[burnt surge]

I've seen SR on Heatran swapped out, Scream Tail swapped out for Flutter Mane, etc.

[burnt surge]

Blursa gets more out of dual Normal-type moves in Blood Moon and Hyper Voice

[burnt surge]

I don't think Stored Power is worth building around; if you're using Necrozma-DW (which is a fringe Pokemon at best), you're better off using Expanding Force and dropping Alcremie and Magnezone

it also pretty much means you're committed to running hard Trick Room

[tribal void]

also water type urshifu doesn't synergize well as the sun weakens the water type attacks, if you want an urshifu form on a hard TR team i recomend darkshifu. Alcremie is also naturally bulky so i recomend dropping sash for something like sitrus for more longevity or safety goggles for spore immunity. torkoal item could also change as it wants to spam eruption and life orb's hp lowering effect isn't very synergetic. something like charcoal or specs would be much better. I don't actually have any advice for the magnezone part other than (and im going to be honest here) remove it and add another supportive mon like smeargle or another offensive mon. Stored power is also just generally worse than something like expanding force or photon geyser as it needs to build up with decorate to hit hard

[prisma moat]

Thanks, I will do most changes you are recomending.

[burnt surge]

Make sure that Necrozma itself has Trick Room

Changing Urshifu-R to Urshifu-S is a sensible move, as it also improves the Calyrex-S and Calyrex-I matchups

Like Ethan said, changing Torkoal's item to Charcoal and replacing Overheat for Heat Wave (and probably Ancient Power to something else) makes it better under Trick Room. Shifting the Attack investment to Special Attack investment is also important

finally, you'll want to think about other ways of handling Miraidon and Kyogre

given that this is Psyspam, you can't exactly slap on Rillaboom and call it a day, so you may have to add two Pokemon to handle them

I think this would just be better if you had Lunala instead of Necrozma

because then you would have the option to go with either Tailwind or Trick Room

[prisma moat]

I will slowly do recomended changes and see what's working for me best. I think I may replace Magnezone with more popular Iron Hands

[zinc roost]

https://pokepast.es/8147ace92a8b2254
hello! i recently built this team and am looking for any and all advice around my choices and how to play with stats. the idea is a sun team (Koraidon/Typhlosion core) with potential for either Flutter Mane or Typhlosion to sweep, with Gastrodon for vs. water support and Whimsicott for general speed control/support, & Koraidon to be a bulky distraction who can set up sun. i'm really struggling with synergy, but i am not quite sure how to change things around. completely open to changing pokemon and strats! im not new to battling but i am new to the VGC format. ^^

[tribal void]

some advice for the team. The first thing is that air ballon armarouge is pretty bad as balloon is easily broken. armarouge is also pretty unviable. If you want a special attacking fire type chi yu is a great choice. Specs pagos also likes having twind support as it has a sort of middeling speed tier that really likes tailwind. Ursabm doesn't really fit and something like urshifu would be really helpful to this team. For the farig slot, you could go for a bulkier set that has foul play, psychic, trick room and helping hand. Farig would be great support and its not really good offensively in the meta rn since its weaker compared to other mons like raging bolt. Item choice could be safety goggles or sitrus. Alternatively, you could run something like ogerpon hearthflame or ogerpon cornerstone. Make sure for cornerstone evs to have at least 4 in defense to live adamant unboosted surging strikes from max urshifu rapid strike. Last thing is that many of the evs are pretty cut and dry with 252 252. this is fine in low elo but in higher elo more balanced ev spreads will work better. The ev thing is just something to keep in mind as you learn and improve

[broken matrix]

https://pokepast.es/6269210216aba895
very wacky silly goofy (my first time trying perish and it's off a random idea of eleki thundercage)

i also haven't worked on spreads and am taking recommendations for tera types asdf

[broken shuttle]

hi! here's an example of Koraidon offense with full evs that did well at a regional: https://pokepast.es/a7b36e3bee685fb3

i would test this out for now and see what works for you!

[zinc roost]

thank you!!

[broken shuttle]

i would probably stay away from building perish because it's a prohibitively difficult style to play well. you're already putting yourself on the backfoot by using pretty bad mons (kingambit, ho-oh, lapras) which are dragging the overall quality of the team down

this is wolfe glicke's perish trap team he won EUIC with: https://pokepast.es/ae4e6f640ae46164 i would test this out and see how it works for you and adapt it as needed

[broken matrix]

i looked at wolfey’s euic team a bit, i just made the one i pasted with my friend for the silly

[broken shuttle]

your offensive mons have so much type overlap that it means the team has a lot of anti-synergy offensively and defensively and a lot of your mons are just redundant or bad. Armarouge is essentially outclassed by a lot of other, better mons, and stacking three normal types on the team isn't defensively sound

i would try to focus the team more around dealing with Terapagos's weaknesses

https://pokepast.es/81c7653d11f25c2e

this is a variant of specs terapagos that did well at vancouver that has multiple ways of accounting for pagos's bad matchups: Ogerpon to redirect fighting type attacks, light screen + encore whimsicott to punish passive plays and reduce damage as well as provide tailwind, farigaraf to block priority and set trick room

[dusty egret]

hi, im trying to build a team for this friendly poke tourney where we have to use our chosen type(dual types allowed) and i have no knowledge on comp pokemon. could i get some good lead and pointers. this is what I have as of rn

https://pokepast.es/d4c1fbf0e600f3cc

[burnt surge]

!nolegends

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[dusty egret]

my bad then; could we help me build just a dark type team for comp so i could learn a thing or two about what i want for my team

[south token]

oras team: https://pokepast.es/141ac6df32660644 thoughts?

[broken shuttle]

what format is this even for

[humble lichen]

I ask the same what format is this for
Mega Lopunny isn't good in VGC, at all
This looks like a really scuffed singles team more than anything

[jovial gulch]

I appreciate the advice
I went with arma over Chi due to me tryna use trick room as my speed control
If I swap arma for fishie and big bear for karate bear would you suggest dropping the trick room set entirely maybe and running the grimmsnarl and a whimsicott for a tailwind team? Also the ev spreads have no def investment since I use grimmsnarl to set up screens which frees me up to invest in hp and attack stats
That has bit me in the cheeks a few times already though as basically if I don’t get the screens up my team falls over to a stiff breeze

[tribal void]

for the most part, grimmsnarl shouldn't run much, if any attacking investment at all since the extra bulk is sometimes pivotal for living hits to set up full screens, esp since mirai and other hard hitters litter the metagame. Most notably, urshifu rapid strike who can crit and ignore the screens. grimm's attacking moves are usually in a more supportive role, with spirit break lowering spatk and fake out providing a turn in which one of the other mons can't do anything. If you drop arma and ursa, you can still keep trick room around as having your own trick room can help against faster tailwind teams and also reverse opponents trick room if necessary

pagos should also have more speed investment on specs as to take advantage of the tailwind

same thing with amoongus

its attacking moves like pollen puff are for a much more supportive role with healing

so it should generally have no spatk or very little investment

should have mostly bulk investment with def and spdef

also add tera types

[jovial gulch]

I honestly didn’t even realize that urshifu still does full damage through screens too sheesh I knew he hit through protect and stuff but not screens
Huge shoutout for all these tips bro I really appreciate it
How do you determine your ev spreads? Do you just slap the mon in a calc against what you want it to live and go from there?

[south token]

vgc oras

doubles

[tribal void]

usually for me i look around for a certain speed tier i want to beat or calc and sometimes make sure to have some calcs for speed but you'll end up learning how to ev more specifically later on as you play and watch, at least thats how it ended up for me

asking around isn't a bad idea either

[jovial gulch]

Bet thank you
I’ll definitely be implementing a lot of what yall told me it was all super helpful
I’ll do some tinkering and post the new paste when I’m done!

[jovial gulch]

Haven’t done the ev spreads and such but does this look a little better mon and moveset wise?

[tribal void]

id recomend dropping giga drain on moongus for rage power for redirection and id recomend dropping whims in this team as its using cm pagos which likes more support over speed but it fine otherwise

if you want to run a faster pagos that utilizes twind

specs is the way to go

cm pagos usually utilizes fake out users and supportive mons to easily set up

a difference in sets can make a huge world of difference in terms of team composition

[jovial gulch]

Rage powder that was the move I couldn’t freakin remember lmao ofc thank you
Instead of whims should I be using rilla then for the fakeout support?

[jovial creek]

Yeah

[tribal void]

rilla or incin would work

[jovial gulch]

Much appreciated thanks guys

[jovial gulch]

The finished product
Huge shout out to Ethan and Gephicka for the help; excited to try out the new team

https://pokepast.es/8e7f881187f59484

[drifting onyx]

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[zinc roost]

hi! while i appreciated the regional team rec, i still need some help with the team i have here. if any more information is needed, i am willing to talk! i just want some tips on this team, particularly any changes to deal with trick room as it seems to be a major struggle for me

[broken shuttle]

this team doesn’t work in any of the three gen 6 VGC formats, restricteds are banned in 2014-15 and it’s a double restricted format in 2016, you’re only running one restricted and your sets are suboptimal

[broken shuttle]

apologies my explanation was a bit bare bones, the original team u sent contains 2 essentially unviable mons in the form of Typhlosion-Hisui and Gastrodon. Typh gets outdamaged by Chi-yu, has a really middling speed tier, and overall isn’t really worth investing in as it doesn’t contribute much to any team it’s on in a restricted format. gastrodon is fine on paper, but it’s generally too passive and unnecessary for the koraidon build you sent. I sent the regional team to give you a model of what actually works on a koraidon team as well as provide you with real EV spreads because all of your spreads are 252/252 (which can work, but isn’t good for mons like Flutter Mane abd Incineroar) and a lot of your item selections and pokemon choices are suboptimal- it would be better to start with the regional team as a base and adapt as needed than try to force your original team to work

[broken shuttle]

you’re still missing tera types here, i would do water farigaraf, fire rillaboom, fairy amoonguss, and water urshifu

i would also consider running choice scarf urshfu here as without it your team is fairly slow

[zinc roost]

oh i see! thank you so much this is very helpful ^^ i’ll play around with it and see what i like and come back if i need anything else!! tysm

[broken shuttle]

• with tera water scarf ursh allows you to revenge KO a boosted calyrex shadow if it ever gets in a good position against you in addition to providing good speed control

[broken shuttle]

ofc! we’ll be around

[earnest frigate]

https://pokepast.es/034a50f90e75d5df

[drifting onyx]

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[earnest frigate]

I switched stealth rocks for taunt bc it never got used

On lando

[broken shuttle]

honestly looks totally fine to me, only change i'd suggest is sandsear storm as your last move on landorus

it's nice spread

you could also theoretically use sub but i think you kinda want the extra spread damage a lot fo the team

[earnest frigate]

I don't really like the accuracy problem that's why I don't have it

[broken shuttle]

yeah that's fair

i would also suggest swapping hearthflame or amoonguss for urshifu-r, but i think the team is perfectly usable without it

[earnest frigate]

Sheer force life of hits really hard and I don't often find myself in a spot where 2 ground weak mons are both on the field without switching

[broken shuttle]

i do think there's smth to be said for having the option to click it if you need to win an endgame or if clicking it puts you in a better position

[earnest frigate]

Ill try it

[broken shuttle]

• ppl have to respect the option if OTS is up

[earnest frigate]

What's OTS again?

[broken shuttle]

open team sheets

basically i'm saying if your opponent can see sandsear you have to respect it

[earnest frigate]

Ah ok

Not many people do use OTS tho sadly

[south token]

so i need to use 2 restricteds?

thats awesome

[inner basin]

Im not sure what i should have as my last pokemon

https://pokepast.es/7568b9273ae1475f

[drifting onyx]

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[broken shuttle]

i would test swapping iron hands with booster energy spa raging bolt and adding choice scarf ursh-r

i don’t think hands does a whole lot there, it’s a touch too passive and compounds your intimidate weakness

tera fairy booster bolt gives you a strong option into zamazenta and kyogre teams bc of its raw damage output

& scarf ursh gives you much needed speed control

i would probably make your incineroar tera grass with rocky helmet, your six appreciates the ursh deterrant and additional spore immunity

you do have to be careful about how you handle urshifu-r with this team bc any time u have an urshifu weak calyrex tera

i would adjust the farigaraf spread to smth more like this:

Farigiraf @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 188 Def / 68 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 9 Spe

• Psychic
• Foul Play
• Helping Hand
• Trick Room

physically defensive with 68 spa lets you OHKO no bulk urshifu-r and 2HKO iron hands which is rly nice into the miraidon mu

[inner basin]

How should i Ev raging bolt?

[broken shuttle]

honestly you can just do max special attack and max hp for now and then adjust as needed

[bright gull]

https://pokepast.es/33dbf0313cbe56ed

Pls don't roast too hard

Want to keep Rayquaza and Zoroark, Chien there as Ray support, Ursaluna cause I didn't have any better ideas.

Regiegigas I could replace with Regieleki so then Ray, Zoro, Eleki, Chien + 2?

Volcarona and Urushafu?

[inner basin]

https://pokepast.es/8e7fd0a444f92447

[drifting onyx]

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[inner basin]

I really like this team though I feel like I struggle against trick room

[jovial creek]

Run protect over heal pulse on clefairy

You should be fine into most tr

[broken shuttle]

just spam after you with caly

[jovial creek]

Go incin over hearthflame so you don't have 3 grass types

And add protect on shifu

Tera fire>grass on rilla

[broken shuttle]

i feel like scarf or sash shifu is better here no?

also use this rilla spread

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Level: 50
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 244 HP / 116 Atk / 20 Def / 76 SpD / 52 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Adamant Nature

• Wood Hammer
• Grassy Glide
• U-turn
• Fake Out

[inner basin]

Originally i did, but i didn’t want to lock myself into taunt