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soft nexus
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Tera grass may be a good idea

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Tera grass kyogre as well

silent fox
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Okey dokie

ornate cloak
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Why HDB Tornadus

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Stealth rock doesn't see any usage and it's already immune to tspikes

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And damp rock Kyogre?

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Also why icy wind on torn, js use rain dance with covert cloak

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Sableye is js not a good mon, if you want smth to abuse prankster, do it with Murkrow or smth (I wouldn't even recommend that), and Ape needs choice scarf to be useful, lefties setup ape is not too strong in regG, it mostly uses scarf final gambit

nimble hound
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Might be better to give Sablye a focus sash if you really want to use it

ornate cloak
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It's js not a good mon

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Even if we're talking anti-meta, it's js not good

random wagon
# ornate cloak Even if we're talking anti-meta, it's js not good

this is kinda wrong

sableye, in short, is grimmsnarl but if it walled zama-c and was a decent gdon partner

In long:
Just like grimmsnarl, Sableye commonly runs Dual screens+Foul Play (for caly), and is very flexible in it’s last slot:

  • Will-O-Wisp lets sableye p much wall out zama-c

  • Taunt shuts down Wide Guard, TR, etc

  • Fake Out, although less common, provides extra support and board control overall

gloomy birch
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what about t wave

random wagon
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that's grimm's thing mostly

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but you can run it

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also

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sableye is grimm but immune to fake out

gloomy birch
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but worse stats

ornate cloak
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Not to mention

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Sableye just has really awful stats compared to Grimmsnarl, the only thing better here is the typing

jovial creek
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Don't use sableye

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It's ok

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But you have to use groudon

sterile flame
drifting onyxBOT
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sterile flame
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Working on this team for a local tournament next weekend, any ways to improve this for matchups I get outsped in? I don’t want to entirely rely on tr and would like to have something for more speed control

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I’ve tried icy wind on valiant but I get a lot more value out of the other moves

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The team feels good, but only close to complete

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Also would appreciate an ice resist

ornate cloak
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Use leftovers raging bolt

thorny aurora
sterile flame
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Oh what

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Sorry that was a copy error I had sent it over my phone

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It is Av on bolt and miracle seed on boom

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With fake out

rotund fossil
drifting onyxBOT
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rotund fossil
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Forgot tera types: Fairy, Ghost, Poison, Water, Dark, Normal

soft nexus
soft nexus
rotund fossil
wanton yarrow
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cant wait to see how yall are gonna yell at me for this team lol

gloomy birch
random wagon
# rotund fossil https://pokepast.es/68b1459a27f0a1a5 Trying to vary up caly S for a more offensi...

  1. Draining Kiss just isnt doing enough damage without setup, so if you want to stick with Tera Psychic, I recommend Psychic/Psyshock in that slot. If you want to be funny, Tera Normal Hyper Beam is certainly funny (you can also just use Tera Normal and psychic-type STAB)

  2. Two things for Chi-Yu: first is that Tera Fire or Ghost would be much better. Second, Psychic just isn’t great. Snarl is a great option, and Will-O-Wisp or Taunt can be pretty cool too.

  3. Urshifu-S might benefit a bit more from Tera Fire, just makes the Calyrex-Ice and Koraidon matchups better.

  4. Ogerpon-W should have different EVs, you can find those on Munchstats or smth though.

  5. Tornadus can have a more optimized EV spread (again, Munchstats has them), and use Tailwind over Icy Wind.

  6. I recommend using the Female variant of Indeedee, as it provides Follow Me, using Safety Goggles/Rocky Helmet, Tera Fairy/Water, Follow Me, Helping Hand, Trick Room and Imprison.

rotund fossil
random wagon
ornate cloak
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What was the specific thought process behind this team, because uh, it's rather unusual

mystic swift
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how is this full tr team looking

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Ive been testing it sofar and the sweep potential is great

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Reun is a really good expanding force

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and eruption is always a good tr sweep aswell as caly I

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I was thinking abt sableye

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Good tr pokemon with amazing utility

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Immune to fakeout

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Prankster

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And great util moves

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Allows me to get tr up easily

ornate cloak
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Icl Bloodmoon might be better in hard tr over Reu

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Reu js doesn't have the stats imo, even if it has MGuard

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Iron Hands could be nice asw to turn Miraidon matchups into your favour

mystic swift
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Surprisingly I get more sweeps with ren

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expanding force is js way to much dmg

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The only problem is that it lacks coverage moves since its only other option is focus blast

mystic swift
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dropped reun for tera psychic hatterene

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added ironball gzapdos to my team

wanton yarrow
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sorry for the long reply

tribal void
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tribal void
mystic swift
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Anybody on for vgc rates

loud hamlet
mystic swift
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Im tryna make a team around Giratina Origin and Gouging Flames

loud hamlet
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Made a few oversites, corrected version

random wagon
mystic swift
loud hamlet
random wagon
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gouging fire i would only consider next to groudon and maybe zacian-c

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gira-o also kinda gets fucked over by calyrex-s and incineroar

west glacier
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@mystic swift u kinda have to just look at the meta and have a team that has a shot at beating those.

random wagon
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You dont want to build just to counter stuff

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because most of the time that means you only defensive mons

west glacier
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It isn't but if u cant beat the meta u womt go far.

random wagon
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miraidon doesnt need to beat the meta to perform well…

west glacier
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Its probably something u polish oit further in the end but still important

mystic swift
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im not running gira

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oh this the wrong server

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whoops

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i switched up the idea to tr

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after I had a miraculous idea

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of running my fav bird

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zapdos galar

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btw if anybody knows an item

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to cut his speed in half

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without grounding him

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pls tell

random wagon
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gapdos only works with zacian-c imo

mystic swift
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i tried the gapdos with caly b4

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and it worked really good last time

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so im hoping it'll work well again

random wagon
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depends where it worked

mystic swift
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with ironball he was slower than caly so I was able to get a coaching b4 every move caly did

random wagon
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bc it is very easy to make an idea work at 1000-1200 on ladder

mystic swift
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i dont get that high i mainly stop before 1500 or 1600

random wagon
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dont you just lose to other caly

mystic swift
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i used this at around the 1350-1450 range

random wagon
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plus just use urshifu at that point

mystic swift
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like caly s?

random wagon
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opposing caly-i

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like balance stuff

mystic swift
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no gapdos gets slow slow

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like 27 speed type slow

random wagon
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yeah they just

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dont set TR

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or reverse your own TR

mystic swift
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it js depends on how u use gapdos

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hes a great partner

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but u js have to be smart since hes superrr slow and frail but in tr hes an acc monster

random wagon
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actually you almost get 6-0d by a well placed caly-i

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only hope is your own

mystic swift
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i dont have an opposing caly i check

west glacier
mystic swift
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well

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if i can get a spore off with smear or any type of debuff i should be fine

west glacier
mystic swift
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tera grass caly i is a threat forsure

random wagon
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what i mean by 6-0

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is that all your pokemon

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no matter what you bring

mystic swift
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i js realized

random wagon
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lose

mystic swift
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NOT ONE POKEMON

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has a super effective against caly i

west glacier
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@mystic swift what are u going for with the teams tho?

mystic swift
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I completely forgot abt cali i

mystic swift
random wagon
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honestly drop gapdos for scarf ape

west glacier
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Whats ur goal?

random wagon
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with final gambit

west glacier
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Just play teams?

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Are u prepping for sth?

mystic swift
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im js climbin ladder for fun

west glacier
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Ok. Fun team do w/e then

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Dont see the point in arguing abt it if its just testing teams for fun anyway tbh

mystic swift
west glacier
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@mystic swift u just gambit the caly

mystic swift
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it doesnt ohko

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nvm it does

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well kk

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ill try scarf ape

tough sleet
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random wagon
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caly-i balance nornally has wide guard or fake out spam

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with access to TR

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and zama teams also have wide guard

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with chien pao threatening most of your team outside of that

tough sleet
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i do have taunt on torn to deal w TR tho

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ig taunt helps with wide guard and tr

tepid jasper
jovial creek
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With moongeist Meteor beam tr wide guard

tepid jasper
tough sleet
tepid jasper
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I see, but in this team is not trick room

jovial creek
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Which is why I'm saying that lunala is really only good as trick room

tepid jasper
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i never played trick

tough sleet
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for reg g it would be like calyrex ice rider

jovial creek
sonic wind
jovial creek
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It's like

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3rd best cm restricted

thorny aurora
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thorny aurora
jovial creek
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You probably won't tera amoonguss much

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But i could see fairy being nice into single strike

hot lagoon
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sun team I can explain any mons if theres issues and run you through my thought process

hot lagoon
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all my tera types are defensive and I run intim Wyrdeer because I didn't want to stack up a 3rd fire mon with incin and intim gyarados wouldnt do well in the sun

clever imp
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https://pokepast.es/8d5becd5b2040a35 Hey! I need help with this team I am working on I have a regional in april, and I need to know what to change on this team anything helps thanks!

hot lagoon
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you also are lacking much of an out for ogerpon as your big offensive mons kyoger and urshifu dont seem to have many good options for it

hot lagoon
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The issue with it is your big Option for ogerpon is basically just down to tornadus who isn't the best option to bring if an opponent pairs ogerpon with a mon like tera electric miradon

random wagon
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Drop thunder for ice beam

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Drop protect for rain dance on torn to counteract koraidon, torkoal, etc

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Also make torn bulkier

random wagon
hot lagoon
jovial creek
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And you resist ivy cudgel/grass moves

hot lagoon
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Still your opponent can remove and overide terrain

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I already mentioned something like miradon

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There's also a lot of psychic terrain I see

random wagon
hot lagoon
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I see a fair few indeedee support mons

random wagon
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next to ogerpon-w is even more rare

hot lagoon
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But still anything can happen

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You gotta be ready for whatever situation you may be put in

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Plus an ice spinner Mon may be more likely with ogerpon

random wagon
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that still isnt really true

hot lagoon
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It's not like ice spinner is a bad move Im pretty sure it's still under for great tusk sets

random wagon
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great tusk is literally never used

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only ice spinner mon is chien pao

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and most of the time they run icicle crash

hot lagoon
random wagon
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Tiers dont matter when it comes to VGC

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since it isnt run by smogon but rather the official pokemon company

hot lagoon
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Honestly I've still found success with Tera steel heavy slam sets

random wagon
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you can find success with anything at 1000-1200 elo

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Even 1300 imo

hot lagoon
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Tusk still has use against a lot of mons

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Heavy slam can 1 hit a flutter

random wagon
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flutter i think is run a lot with zama

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which will be able to probably take out tusk

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also

hot lagoon
random wagon
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flutter can OHKO you or just force tera for later

hot lagoon
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Tera steel isn't a bad move in most spots

random wagon
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tera steel makes you even more vulnerable to zamazenta

hot lagoon
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Honestly in that spot I think it depends on your second pokemon out

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Whether you can attack twice into zama for a ko or do something like rage power or follow me and take out flutter safely

random wagon
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imo great tusk doesnt have enough qualities to be worth it

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plus

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zama can tera

hot lagoon
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Steel fighting is already good and if you think you can ko without it why risk with tera

random wagon
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because zama has partners that force tera

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like rilla or flutter

hot lagoon
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But to be fair my usual support Mon for tusk is Groudon

random wagon
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groudon should NOT be a support pokemon

hot lagoon
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Well not really support

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It's what forces tera

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It's a big attacker with clear amulet and will just spam precipice blades

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It gives tusk sun for proto and acts as a target

random wagon
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There are so many other proto mons that are better and threaten the pokemon tusk threatens

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raging bolt is a big one

hot lagoon
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Tusk threatens bolt

random wagon
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thats not what im saying

hot lagoon
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If I remember correctly bolt wants tera electric right?

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And if people want bolt over tusk they will use bolt more

random wagon
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tera fairy, water, or electric

hot lagoon
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Easy counters for 2 of them

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Heavy slam and ground movss

random wagon
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yeah tusk still loses to flutter, which would be a replacement to tusk on a supposed sun team i assume

hot lagoon
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Yeah

random wagon
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Flutter can force tera and leaves you vulnerable to ally koraidon, groudon, and raging bolt

hot lagoon
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But with my open space without booster I run assault vest

random wagon
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still isnt really doing much to the restricted pokemon i mentioned

hot lagoon
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That's why I run a solar power Charizard for switch ins

random wagon
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still isnt doing anything

hot lagoon
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Takes a fighting or ground move and fires back with a specs boosted move

random wagon
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You get 2HKOd by heat crash from groudon

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and odds are they go tera fire

hot lagoon
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I got tera ground tera blast

random wagon
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And koraidon just 2HKOs you with flare blitz

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only tera worth it is like tera fire or ghost imo

hot lagoon
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I got hurracane

random wagon
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hurricane is literally 50% accurate in sun

hot lagoon
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It's mainly just a back up when against rain setters ngl

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I mainly just fire off dragon pulse or heat wave

random wagon
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no overheat?

hot lagoon
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I did want the spread move but I feel too vulnerable leaving a specs Mon out with a special atk dropping move

random wagon
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Imo drop tera blast for overheat

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or drop charizard alltogether

hot lagoon
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Well most times I don't bring it

random wagon
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Then odds are best move is dropping it

hot lagoon
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In favor of eurouption torcoal or supporting lilygent

random wagon
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neither of those, they are both bad

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id say flutter or bolt

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well, torkoal isnt great in gdon teams, but is a good mon

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lilligant is just bad

hot lagoon
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Chlorophyll lilygant using

  • Quiver Dance
  • Pollen Puff
  • Solar Beam
  • Weather Ball
    Is decent support on speed control
random wagon
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no it is not a good support

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send the paste of the team that you have rn and ill decide

hot lagoon
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random wagon
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honestly

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drop everything except koraidon

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And even the koraidon set is off

hot lagoon
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It's a sun team I'm supposed to not use any mons good in sun

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Like I understand the wydeer being weird but I have a reason for it

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I wanted an intim mon but I didn't want to stack a third fire Mon with incin or a mon like Gyarados with weak stab in the sun

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But wydeer has actually been a surprise underdog with its normal psychic, it's been surprising useful as a switch in on calyrex shadows astral barrage firing back with shadow ball

random wagon
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honestly intimidate isnt necessary either

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and there are mons that are good in sun and better than the pokemon being used

hot lagoon
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Intim is always good

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It's never bad to have

random wagon
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it isnt necessary on every team

hot lagoon
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There's no situation where using intimate will be bad aside like foul play

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Still even here I'd replace wisp with flare blitz

random wagon
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plus just use incineroar, torkoal and charizard shouldnt be used anyways

hot lagoon
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I just wanted a good spread fire move and torkoal eruption or heat wave after a shell smash still does damage

random wagon
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spread fire damage can be from chi-yu

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who is much stronger overall

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and torkoal without trick room is ass

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hope you learn smth from the rentals

last tinsel
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chat i dont play VGC, i need help building a decent team. I want to keep Chi Yu and Farigiraf, and ideally have a way to have sun up but other than that I’m open to completely changing the team around

https://pokepast.es/93ac5301c0c73bd2

stoic junco
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@random wagon try sending that as two messages

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odd

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I think Choice Scarf Chi-Yu is better here, with either Tera Ghost or Fire (Ghost for Fake Out and Fighting-type attacks, Fire for more damage). I’d say drop Psychic for Snarl, does better into Calyrex-S and Terapagos.

Honestly, Throat Spray on Farigiraf could be kind of heat. Tera Fire is a great option, as it does well into Calyrex-I and is complemented by Sun, as Sun weakens Water-type attacks from the likes of Urshifu-R. Double Screens isn’t super necessary, so I recommend running Trick Room and Psychic/Helping Hand/Protect.

Focus Sash might be better on this team for Whimsicott. I would also drop Fake Tears for Encore, but you can probably keep it. Tera Ghost works a lot better here, and going Max Speed and Max Special Attack with a Timid nature is best.

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Solid Koraidon set, although Clear Amulet is much better when dealing with Intimidate, Icy Wind, etc. Flame Charge is also probably better over Iron Head, grants a needed speed boost into Calyrex-S, Flutter Mane, Chien-Pao, and more. A bulkier EV spread can be used to compensate for the usage of Flame Charge.

Rillaboom can be replaced by Choice Specs Tera Fairy Flutter Mane with Icy Wind, Moonblast, Dazzling Glean, and Shadow Ball.

Replace Clefairy with either Incineroar or Raging Bolt IMO. Raging Bolt should have Assault Vest with Thunderbolt, Thunderclap, Draco Meteor, and Snarl/Volt Switch/Electroweb with Tera Water/Fairy/Electric if you choose that, and if you choose Incineroar, a Tera Ghost/Grass set with Safety Goggles, Knock Off, Parting Shot, Fake Out, and Will-O-Wisp/Flare Blitz.

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i prob got around it on account of being staff but

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odd that the automod didnt like that. wonder why.

last tinsel
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Ty, much appreciated :)

sonic wind
last tinsel
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Word, I'll test this one out too ty

clever imp
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random wagon
# clever imp So I got feedback from the team I made for my regonal so heres the updated one! ...

looks solid! Some things I’d like to note:

Tornadus should be WAY bulkier, finding EVs on Munchstats for now should be fine, or calc for your own!

Urshifu-R doesnt really need Jolly with scarf, Adamant is enough to outpace calyrex-s

Landorus-I should be timid instead of adamant, probably a error there

Rillaboom with 252 HP/116 Atk/4 Def/124 SpDef/12 Spe is probably better than the one you have now

clever imp
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ok thanks for the feedback!

jovial creek
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That torn set is fine

mystic swift
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Hi I saw this team from a reginals in late 2024 and wanted to kinda change a bit of it. Do yall think this is a decent team or is my vision flawed

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Im entering a friendly online tourny soon

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I am struggling to find Pokemon to assist in the comp

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Its telepathy on oranguru i missclicked on symbosis

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Symbiosis

jovial creek
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Miraidon is much better with specs

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Pachirisu is also best left to the past

mystic swift
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yeah i scrapped it ngl

mystic swift
jovial creek
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Maybe make csr spell tag

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Rilla AV

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Chi yu scarf

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And then I'd just leave it there and test it actually

mystic swift
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alr ty

mystic swift
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Whats a good suggestion for the team?

jovial creek
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I wasn't sure which is why I think testing first is worth it

mystic swift
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oh alr

hot lagoon
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hot lagoon
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trick room team I made

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havent figured out the tera types to use yet tho

sonic apex
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This looks like an instalose team to terapagos

hot lagoon
sonic apex
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I think having essentially 0 protect in your team is also really bad

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because unironically p2 is one of the few mons in ur team that actually doesn't need it

hot lagoon
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I havent come into many terapagos yet tbh so I dont know much counterplay

sonic apex
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I think calyice definitely should have both trick room and protect

hot lagoon
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why run 3 tr setters

sonic apex
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It only needs like 2 attacking moves, high horsepower and glacial lance

hot lagoon
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calys my sweeper and I would rather have him attacking

sonic apex
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I think having so many normal types also sucks

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because you'll have a really hard time vs zamazenta

hot lagoon
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all 3 normal types play entirely differently due to the typings

sonic apex
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well yea

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that doesn't still change to the fact it loses to zamazenta

hot lagoon
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and blood moon ursaluna can do good damage to zama with earth power

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and high horsepower calyice

sonic apex
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and die to body press

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Ursaluna ain't living a body press

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I'm not sure why you have ability shield on incin too

hot lagoon
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I may make Ursaluna tera ghost tbh

hot lagoon
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intimidate is the best ability

sonic apex
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unless you're facing weezing but

hot lagoon
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it can be negated and over ridden

sonic apex
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You don't need intimidate vs the weezing calyrex team

hot lagoon
sonic apex
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that being said

hot lagoon
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then here I swapped it out for heavy duty boots

sonic apex
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Why

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I think you're better off with safety goggles or even sitrus

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same w/ av on rilla

hot lagoon
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okay right forgot about the safety goggles

sonic apex
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I don't think you really need covert cloak given you have farigiraf

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part of me thinks it's probably better to switch out p2 for a mon that will function outside of trick room at least

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I think committing to hard trick room is generally not a great idea from what I've experienced in ladder

oblique fractal
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Not with that attitude!

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It just takes good synergy and not relying on one setter

hot lagoon
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I mean if I run calyice as a tr setter as well I can find a mon that can run well in both tr and not tr

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I was maybe thinking raging bolt

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heres a small update

sonic apex
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I think raging bolt is a good idea yea

sonic apex
oblique fractal
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It's fun!

sonic apex
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I mean if the goal is to win, fun isn't enough

stray violet
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i mean i played a lot of showdown with this and i struggle a lot

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idk if its the team or its just a skill issue since i started playing vgc like 2 or 3 weeks ago

sonic apex
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I'd consider having farigiraf w miraidon

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I think miraidon biggest weakness is that it's super susceptible to fake out spam

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w that u don't auto lose to fake out spams

stray violet
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aight what should i switch it in for?

sonic apex
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I'd probably do ajet over uturn on shifu too personally

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I think ursaluna honestly

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it's probably not doing that much for your team bc it's still too slow under tailwind

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and while I think it's there for trick room stuff

stray violet
sonic apex
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I think there are better ideas

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or you can just encore either works

stray violet
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true

sonic apex
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w farigiraf you can also reverse the trick room

stray violet
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oh yeah

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makes sense

sonic apex
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electric seed helps w ur defense and armor tails also helps ur miraidon not getting stopped by fake outs

stray violet
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aight lemme update it

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tysm for the advice

thorny aurora
modern shale
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thorny aurora
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ornate cloak
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Although go with 0 speed IV on your Amongus so you don't lose to other Amoonguss' in trickroom (but this is optional)

ornate cloak
ornate cloak
# modern shale https://pokepast.es/c2239af3e87a3e20]

Go with clear amulet Calyrex-Ice with Tera fire, and high horsepower over Icicle Crash, use a more defensive support Farigiraf with safety goggles/sitrus berry. Urshifu needs to be focus sash/mystic water

Slot in choice scarf Landorus-I over Ting Lu to deal with Miraidon, and replace Gholdengo and Murkrow with smth like Flutter Mane and Amoonguss so you have speed control outside of trickroom and Amoonguss can disrupt your opponents with spore/rage powder potentially enabling your Calyrex/Landorus to deal heavy damage

hot lagoon
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I need help because they just keep using encore on caly ice and I lose

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or they run a random mon with TR just to unset it

thorny aurora
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kill the pokemon with encore before trying to set a trick room/protect

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or you use redirects

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follow me/rage powder

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im not sure but if you have the giraffe on the field you cant get encore from a pokemon with prankster

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like whimsicott/sableye

hot lagoon
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the issue is they just kill the giraffe

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and if tr isnt up they will win

thorny aurora
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your team depend 100% on trick room?

hot lagoon
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did you look at it?

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the main sweepers are ursaluna bloodmoon and calyice

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and sure rilla farigaraf and incin can do damge its not enough

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and if I want to bring bolt I either give up support or a sweeper

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ornate cloak
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Regulation G is a restricted format, you need a legendary

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Your options are Calyrex-Ice/Kyurem-White/Kyurem-Black

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Blizzard spam would go crazy tbf

slim cradle
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I was looking at kyurem white. Who do you think i should exchange for it?

ornate cloak
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I'd say start from scratch

vapid grail
slim cradle
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Okay but why? I dont understand where I'm going wrong so i dont make that mistake again

ornate cloak
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You're way too weak to common threats such as Chien-Pao, Incineroar, Urshifu, Ogerpon, Rillaboom, p much every restricted

vapid grail
distant trellis
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please send one team at a time

jovial creek
fossil mango
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anyone got a team i can try

gloomy birch
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yes

hot lagoon
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Or am I just only supposed to have one?

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Because how the hell does a SCARF lando work in a TRICK ROOM team

jovial creek
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Or use it before tr goes up

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It got second at worlds, calm down

hot lagoon
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Kyrum:

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Kyrum black or Kyrum white

jovial creek
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This is useless

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Clearly you don't understand

hot lagoon
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I have a team that already runs 3 ice weakenesses

jovial creek
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I'll send an updated paste with reasoning soonish

hot lagoon
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And tera only helps one and sure I do want some support outside of trick room but that's why I'm running bolt

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Ursaluna is a great sweeper who covers weakenesses of the team

jovial creek
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Raging bolt is 70 speed

hot lagoon
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Yeah he functions in and out of TR

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Thunderclap has priority so he still helps when I need TR back up

jovial creek
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No

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70 speed is slow

hot lagoon
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you clearly don't understand

jovial creek
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Having a restricted that works well in Trick room doesn't mean you SHOULD set it 100% of the time

hot lagoon
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CALY ICE HAS 50 BASE SPEED ITS SLOWER THEN RAGING BOLT

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IF I PUT IN A SCARF LANDO I BASICALLY HAVE TO PLAY WITH THE GIMMICK OF ONE OF MY MONS IS WORSE WHEN MY MAIN GIMMICK IS IN PLAY

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LIKE HAVING A SPORE MON IN A TEAM THAT USES ELECTRIC TERRAIN

jovial creek
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I'm not trying to be rude but thats a skill issue

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Scarf lando I obviously works

hot lagoon
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Oh and if anyone else is running caly ice and I set up tr scarf lando is just gonna die

jovial creek
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The reason you don't need tr is because glacial lance is a bs move

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And most tr counterplay doesn't like a glacial lance to the face

hot lagoon
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Yeah and the reason I need it is dark types exist

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And knock off on a good physical Mon does like half my health in damage

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If my opponent goes first they can attack twice into Caly ice and kill him

jovial creek
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You have fake out

hot lagoon
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The only way I play around that is with fake out

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But oh wow if I'm not using TR they go first every turn and Fake out doesn't work every turn

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It's like saying using tailwind on a team isnt something you should have up when you can

jovial creek
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something like that

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I'm not sure how good farig is there either but idk what to do about that without testing

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oh and change the farig set

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Farigiraf @ Throat Spray
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Hyper Voice
  • Psychic
  • Trick Room
  • Protect
hot lagoon
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Farig doesn't even need protect, a helping hand move can kill almost any threat to Farig

jovial creek
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protect tends to be better on the offensive sets

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could also change to something like goggles tera water defensive

hot lagoon
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But also you want me to remove incin?

jovial creek
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I don't see what it does there that another mon can't do better

hot lagoon
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Intimidate

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Fake out

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And parting

jovial creek
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intim isn't needed when your team is that bulky

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i know what it does

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but what does it contribute to that team in general

hot lagoon
jovial creek
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?

hot lagoon
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I can't take hits because the team isn't bulky unless they get the drops from incins parting shot and intimidate

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Your telling me I should use scarf lando because he got second at world's but saying not to use incin who has the second highest usage rate

jovial creek
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no

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I'm saying that scarf lando I getting second at worlds is proof of concept

hot lagoon
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And incin being on almost every team is also proof of concept

jovial creek
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on calyrex teams?

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it was on 4/24 at worlds

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if you think your team works then you don't need to listen to me but you also don't need to talk here

hot lagoon
jovial creek
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that doesn't matter

hot lagoon
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Oh but scarf landos win does?

jovial creek
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yeah because its relevant to this case

hot lagoon
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But was that win due to scarf lando?

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WolfyVGC wins games with mons like yanmega but that doesn't make Yanmega any better

jovial creek
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I'm not talking about wolfe or about small limitless tours

hot lagoon
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I did already have another Mon in mind to swap out for incin anyway, evolite follow me magmar

jovial creek
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why

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magmar is not very good in reg G

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lando I and Incin

hot lagoon
# jovial creek magmar is not very good in reg G

Magmar is running as a support Mon with evolite being trained in bulk it's ability flame body has 20% changes of burn on it which it will be when using follow me, it will have protect for defense helping hand for support and flamethrower so it can do some damage

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It lands burns, makes my other mons stronger and takes hits

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Makes TR easier to get up, and helping hand Glacial lance is terrifying

sonic wind
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whats happening

jovial creek
hot lagoon
# sonic wind whats happening

He was trying to get me to replace Ursaluna blood moon with Scarf Lando for my trick room team and it kinds devolved from there

jovial creek
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I can't get through to them

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I would also like to point out that your team had about 0 Miraidon mu with ursaluna bm

hot lagoon
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And or Blood Moon

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140 base power move is insanely good and takes out a lot of redistricted mons

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If anything I should be more worried about Zamazenta

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He can't understand that a team built around trick room wants to be in trick room

sonic wind
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from the paste I saw, the team is better with scarf landorus though

There are many turns where you don't want to be in Trick Room, and there are teams that hard deny Trick Room. Going off the Miraidon example, its often difficult to keep Trick Room up when Electric Seed Farigiraf is on the field threatening to reverse it at any moment, and then its teammates Miraidon and Iron Hands blowing you up. Ursaluna-B is undersped by Iron Hands but outsped by Miraidon and makes this match up very shaky, but Scarf Landorus outspeeds and threatens Miraidon so you can play outside of Trick Room more reliably

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This isn't hard trick room, this is balance with the ability to use Trick Room

hot lagoon
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It's not like urslauna is a super frail mon or anything

sonic wind
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CalyIce threatens Miraidon but loses to Iron Hands in a 1v1 when under Trick Room and is Electro Drifted if Farigiraf chooses to reverse Trick Room.
Tera is extremely unreliable as your answer to something, especially when its no longer a Ground-type AND it isn't your restricted, the Pokemon you want to be Tera-ing the most

hot lagoon
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But my caly tera is water

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That would be stupid

sonic wind
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Landorus significantly improves the match up

the Zamazenta match up too which is probably more notable since CalyI/Rilla/Incin has a very hard time hurting it

hot lagoon
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Incin flare blitz still does like 3-40% depending on what it does and damage rolls

sonic wind
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and its ohkod by Body Press

hot lagoon
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Yeah

sonic wind
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Having Ursaluna be as your main way to hurt Zamazenta can suck a lot
especially when they use Amoonguss, straight up making you question if you should click Trick Room

hot lagoon
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But back to that iron hands example what if it's just running an Ice move

sonic wind
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Ice Punch is extremely rare
I think Id rather cover for 90% of options than have a better match up into that one 10%

hot lagoon
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Having that frail of a mon always go last isn't good

sonic wind
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most recent event

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sonic wind
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like when their Farigiraf reverses it or if the opponent has Amoonguss

hot lagoon
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And that makes since but then just putting in Lando means they now I have to pick and choose

sonic wind
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what do you mean?

hot lagoon
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Well considering a lot of teams I faced so far not all have an out for TR

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I basically have to guess if a team has TR solution or not and if I guess wrong or right I still only have 1 sweeper with the other one not as good

sonic wind
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Do you find the guessing games fun? If not Id always enourage the best of 3 ladder, it has open teamsheets and is very good practice to improve as a player or figure out what your team is lacking

hot lagoon
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No, thinking about it I may run lando instead of incin or rilla and keep my two TR sweepers

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If I see a team has no TR solution I can bring both sweepers and if not I can still have lando and bolt as out of TR support

sonic wind
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If you still want to play Best of 1 Id probably still recommend Landorus > Ursaluna since you can bring it to Zamazenta and Miraidon more consistently. But best of 1 is in general a mess and not something I can help further with, since it has different optimisations.

hot lagoon
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Maybe it's just a personal thing but I really value team synergy and how well it works at what it does

sonic wind
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The Calyrexes are a little silly and can do solo missions with the rest of the team acting as support. So it might be a bit different compared to what you're used to.

Think Calyrex + anything not Lando when you want to play in Trick Room, and Calyrex/Landorus/Incineroar/Raging Bolt or whatever when you want to play out of Trick Room.

It doesnt hurt to try Landorus for a few games and see how you find it, especially since the core is proven good (2nd place at world championships, and Life Orb Lando alongside Regieleki with Calyrex-Ice got top 8)

hot lagoon
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Honestly I was thinking of replacing incin with a support Mon for caly ice

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Evolite magamar

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Flame body ability Follow me, protect, helping hand, flamethrower

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I was thinking it would help as a deterrent to encore

sonic wind
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what encore Pokemon do you run into

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Whimsicott is the only one that coems to mind and thats dealt with by clicking Glacial Lance turn 1 or having Farigiraf

hot lagoon
hot lagoon
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with koridon as a big threat along with zamazenta would their super effective fighting moves be a downside?

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even zacian who isnt as good now could do big damage with a stab fairy move

sonic wind
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that Urshifu is Focus Sash and likely there for a better Calyrex match up, which Urshifu-Rapid can't provide as reliably. You could use Urshifu-Rapid on this team though imo.

ornate cloak
ornate cloak
hot lagoon
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so I did end up trying the new team that was suggested

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great team ive been winning with it

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but ive yet to be in a situation where TR was better then just spamming spread moves

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and its fun but I feel like its not exactly what I wanted ideas wise and I may end up swapping out calyice

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I may end up trying to make a more general team

hot lagoon
sonic wind
# hot lagoon but dont all Calys run teras like water and fairy?

I mean,water is even worse for Urshifu-Rapid, and the most common Calyrex-Shadow Tera is Normal.

Forcing them to commit Tera is still very valuable anyway, means that they're threatened by Raging Bolt and Rillaboom, or potentially commiting Tera on a Pokemon that really doesn't want to stay in Trick Room.

hot lagoon
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also something really confusing just happened in a game and I need explanation

sonic wind
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sure

hot lagoon
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I went to use suckerpunch with urshifu into their low health urshifu rapidstrike

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they use aqua jet

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sucker punch fails

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last I checked aqua jet was still an attack

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like I dont think I miss played and its not like they had farigaraf

sonic wind
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Sucker Punch fails if the opponent moves first

hot lagoon
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since when?

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and why doesnt it say that on the move

sonic wind
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since forever
something about you cant surprise someone if they already moved or some other thematic reason

hot lagoon
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oh so nothing I could do

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once again its just gambling on now if they have priority and if they would win on speed and what damage threshold im at and if im in crit range and how much a mon in the back would take if I swapped in

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feels like half the time using protect is the worst thing I can do

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and with this team I never have speed control because fast frail mons shouldnt be in TR

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and therefore I end up losing if they bring a lot of counters for calyice making me choose not to bring him just to get screwed for it

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i get screwed if I bring the mon and I get screwed if I dont

west glacier
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@hot lagoon

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No need to move first

tribal void
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sucker only fails if the priority move on the other team goes first

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and if its against a status move

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sucker doesn't just "fail vs priority moves"

loud hamlet
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what should I add too this setup?

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tribal void
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not exactly adding, but if you really want to go with weakness policy, run protect over sd as +4 is extremely overkill

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but weakness policy isn't very good to begin with

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so id put clear amulet and still drop sd for protect

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in terms of adding teammates

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farigiraf is a better tr support mon than cress

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ogerpon corner stone can help with beating incin and gives a redirector

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i don't play too much calyI but I think (someone back this up or refute this claim) that you can have a variety of teammates like leaning more into tr with farig and bm ursa or play more out of tr with lando I, urshifu, rilla, peliper, ogerpon

west glacier
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shifu isnt faster

tribal void
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that just means its scarf'd

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test it out

west glacier
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i know mine isnt scarfed

tribal void
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then the urshifu is scarf

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it only fails if it moves second

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or on a status move

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ive sucker punched glide rillas before

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a quick search proves that it doesn't fail on some priority moves

sonic wind
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sucker punch works if youre faster than their raging bolt

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its still a sneak/surprise attack if they havent moved yet or smth

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https://pokepast.es/0183b63eb57c697b

trying something different.

Using Jolly Raging bolt 20 spatk ivs 0 evs to get a +speed Booster energy so it becomes 208 speed allowing me to properly use it as my speed control. counters tailwind regidrago which im running into atm

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forgot to change the tera to ghost on raging bolt

tribal void
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If you want a fast electric speed control look at eleki

west glacier
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Its just never worth to tera this ngl. Especially not an offensive tera

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just run icy wind on flutter mane

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Gleam, Shadowball, icy wind, mystical fire

tribal void
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mystical fire is too weak

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slot protect on flutter if you are going to use it

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and always have moonblast

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if you're running support flutter

snow summit
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im not great at teambuilding

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autumn orchid
mystic swift
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The Quincy names r cool

autumn orchid
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Thx

mystic swift
sonic wind
sonic wind
dense nebula
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the usual vgc reg g

sonic wind
# mystic swift https://pokepast.es/708ae4a2279b5a7c

Incineroar Raging Bolt > Hitmontop Chi-Yu or Tornadus Mienshao > Hitmontop Urshifu. Hitmontop just sucks as a Pokemon and can feel extremely passive without the option to pivot out, pretty much outclassed by Mienshao for the Wide Guard Feint Fake Out combination, who's immune to fake out and intimidate making it a lot more offensively potent. These can work on offensive tailwind structures with some set changes.

Incineroar however outclasses Hitmontop when trying a bulkier balance build, since pivoting is vital and Intimidate is an important factor in how long CSR gets to live. Then Chi-Yu overlaps and you'd rather have Raging Bolt's offensive power and speed control.

Lmk which direction you want to go so we can do more specific set fixes

sonic wind
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thorny aurora
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thorny aurora
snow summit
ornate cloak
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Flutter Mane isn't super good here either, if you want speed control go with Farigiraf and Whimsicott for trickroom mode and tailwind respectively

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Urshifu-Water is more or less fine, Incineroar could probably be either Heartflame/Cornerstone Ogerpon for redirection and the Rillaboom should be an Iron Hands for fake out support and to abuse Electric surge and be a good trickroom attacker

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Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Level: 50
Ability: Unseen Fist
EVs: 60 HP / 76 Atk / 20 Def / 196 SpD / 156 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Adamant Nature

  • Surging Strikes
  • Close Combat
  • Taunt/Aqua Jet
  • Detect

This is a more optimised Mystic water, Urshifu-Water set

sonic wind
sonic wind
snow summit
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calyrex just snowballs so fast

snow summit
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This is the Miraidon team I use, I usually try to utilise Whimsicott and Chi-Yu, followed by Miraidon and most of the time, Iron Hands

jovial creek
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I like the idea of zama+ting lu

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but I think you want a chien-pao

jovial creek
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And the rest of the team is kinda outdated

ornate cloak
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Cm Rbolt wants lefties, no?

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sonic apex
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You desperately need a ground resist

distant trellis
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Also perish trap isn't great rn

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Like this is the start of a good Mirai core but perish song is just a weird mode to put with it

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You can probably build perish trap but they require a lot of lil optimizations

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Or basically, there's a reason very few people find success with them aside from Wolfe, they're hard to build

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As much as I love perish trap

ornate cloak
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^

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Perish trap is unviable in RegG due to the amp'd up offensive pressure from restricted and most importantly, Urshifu

sonic wind
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^^^
No protect stalling, easy to get blown up, everything has a pivot move
h had it a lot more workable with the lower power level and lack of urshifu

sonic wind
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Ursaluna formes, Iron Crown/Leaves, Urshifu are pokemon receiving recent success

chilly jasper
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chilly jasper
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Made some changes since yesterday

tribal void
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also im more of a fan of having tbolt on booster bolt than calm mind imo

chilly jasper
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Any sweeping changes like Mon swaps you'd recommend here?

tribal void
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not exactly mon swaps

chilly jasper
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And yeah I do want goggles, thank you!

tribal void
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but flutter could change to a support set

chilly jasper
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Flutter exists to help with urshifu, since rs completely mogs my core

tribal void
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a support set with booster will beat ushifu rs

chilly jasper
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What should I give bolt

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Maybe lefties?

tribal void
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bolt can be life orb if you really want the boost in damage or magnet but magnet is rare

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i also recomend dropping idef on zama for wide guard

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since chien pao + zama hits hard already

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if you want you could also switch around items with ting lu and bolt

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giving lu lefties and bolt av could work maybe

jovial creek
chilly jasper
chilly jasper
jovial creek
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I do like booster flutter

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Maybe do that

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It's up to you

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If you do then go life orb bolt

tribal void
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if you want to keep booster bolt maybe drop flutter for something more supportive like amoongus/rillaboom or urshifu rapid

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besides incin the team looks thoroughly threatened by hearthflame

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but i wouldn't listen to this too much

chilly jasper
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Flutter really helps my mostly average koraidon mu

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And of course with urshifu

tribal void
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yeah maybe go with booster flutter and life orb bolt then

chilly jasper
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I'll try booster flutter lo bolt though

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Yep yep, thank you both!

jovial creek
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Id try to slot Ruination on ting lu somewhere too

chilly jasper
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Over throat chop?

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I like fissure to fish and boost s.t.

jovial creek
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Probably over Slam

tribal void
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Stomping tantrum twice does the same amount as fissure stomping tho, doesn’t it?

jovial creek
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Flutter shouldn't be too big of a problem

chilly jasper
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I like ruination over heavy slam

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Also why does zama run slam

tribal void
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Hits most things that isn’t called calyi harder

jovial creek
chilly jasper
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I'm fine with missing fissure because most of the value I get from ting lu comes from it just existing

chilly jasper
jovial creek
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Since more cir and Raging bolt are going tera fairy

chilly jasper
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Overall how was the team build? It is my first team of g and I thought ting lu and zama had good synergy so I built around that

jovial creek
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It was built like an early reg g team if that makes sense

chilly jasper
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That makes sense haha, yeah I'm naive to the format

sonic wind
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you do shit like ohko flutter after intim iirc
but it can live bash

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Bash's uses are limited to smacking Caly-I (You can still Body Press freely) and Tera Fairy Raging Bolt

bitter meadow
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Indeedee @ Focus Sash
Ability: Psychic Surge
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
Imprison
Encore
Dazzling Gleam
Expanding Force

Fluffter (Whimsicott) (F) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
Moonblast
Tailwind
Encore
Protect

Jack (Calyrex-Shadow) @ Spell Tag
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
Protect
Tera Blast
Astral Barrage
Nasty Plot

Ogerpon-Hearthflame @ Hearthflame Mask
Ability: Mold Breaker
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
Ivy Cudgel
Horn Leech
Spiky Shield
Follow Me

MarshallMathers (Urshifu) (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
Wicked Blow
Close Combat
Sucker Punch
Crunch

Cornelius (Tornadus) @ Mental Herb
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
Tailwind
Scary Face
Protect
Bleakwind Storm

Can anyone help improve my team it doesnt let me do the fucking pokepaste link please just read it

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bitter meadow
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The whole thing is there

sterile flame
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why are you crunch urshifu

bitter meadow
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Nothing else to use when I have Band

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bitter meadow
west glacier
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@omxn_. Poison Jab>Crunch

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@omxn_.

west glacier
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A lot of stuff is heavy in Reg G so Slam often doesnt hit hard

sonic wind
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But most of the heavy stuff you wanna be Body Pressing

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the only restricted you want to Bash are Shadow and Ice, Heavy Slam does more to one of them

jovial creek
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# bitter meadow https://pokepast.es/33f42ce4bac39241 Here you go youre all making this more of a...

Go with Tera dark on Whimsicott, you don't need fake out immunity when you're running psyspam and are covert cloaked, also run 252 hp on Whimsicott instead of 252 SpA, U-turn instead of crunch on the Urshifu-Dark (I'd personally suggest you switch to Urshifu-Water instead tho)

Give Calyrex Expanding force instead of psychc and go with a defensive Tera type such as dark or normal so you don't auto lose to opposing Calyrex-Shadow

Use a more bulkier Indeedee

Indeedee-F @ Psychic Seed/Rocky Helmet
Level: 50
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Fairy
Bold Nature

  • Follow Me
  • Trick Room
  • Helping Hand
  • Psychc

I'd personally use Ogerpon-Cornerstone as it's the better redirector and lastly, drop Tornadus for Chi-Yu, it pairs really with Calyrex-Shadow, supporting it with Beads of ruin, use Choice scarf on it.

Side note: If you do end up using Urshifu-Water, use a focus sash/mystic water set

wraith arch
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so far all of them feels nice besides urshifu dark

distant trellis
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yeah ur right about the caly s item

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leftovers doesn't rly do much for it since you're quite frail, and also psyshock and psychic is a bit redundant, you're not gaining much from that moveslot

wraith arch
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so far i’ve changed leftovers to focus sash and changed urshifu dark to black glasses

distant trellis
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Caly S nearly always runs protect if its not choiced (or sash), allowing it to have some form of a defensive tool to alleviate the weaknesses of its typing and its defensive stats

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yeah sash is good

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I'd drop one of ur two moves tho

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and also make calm mind nasty plot

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(if you keep this EV spread anyway)

wraith arch
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i changed that aswell

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i still dont know whether to drop psyshock or psychic

distant trellis
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alright then, maybe you could go with draining kiss or smth

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psyshock helps you handle the special walls like rillaboom

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and also the special defence boosting restricted mons

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like kyogre and pagos

wraith arch
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ic

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i think i will drop psychic then

distant trellis
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yeah I agree with that choice

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draining kiss could be decent

or tera blast

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those are standard options

wraith arch
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alr

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wb the urshifu dark

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it feels out of place but it is definitely handy against opposing caly s

distant trellis
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ursh is fine, I prefer banded urshifu dark to just break any physical walls over black glasses but the move flexibility is fine, if you do end up running band I'd make it u turn over sucker punch

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since choice locking into sucker punch kinda sucks

wraith arch
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ic

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should i run iron head for fairys?

distant trellis
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that works too

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aside from that tho, this seems fine

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flutter mane usually runs the utility set on teams like this but another special nuke is ok

wraith arch
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alr thx

distant trellis
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np

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jovial creek
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are you trying to use zacian

languid thorn
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Yes

distant trellis
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use knock over lariat on incin btw 🙏

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lariat is good sometimes cause ignoring boosts is cool and its a decently strong move but the main defence boosting mon in the format is zamazenta, who quite frankly is not afraid of a darkest lariat

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broken matrix
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https://pokepast.es/2ff738aabf0ff0d6
made this with my friends and we're pretty confident, but i wanted to make sure it would potentially work. lmk if you have questions about why stuff is there

wraith arch
# broken matrix https://pokepast.es/2ff738aabf0ff0d6 made this with my friends and we're pretty ...

im new to team building but im gonna give my thoughts anyways,

the lack of speed control against tail wind teams might hinder the teams abit but i do understand the clefairy after you set, btw what is your booster energy boosting on flutter just curious , as a summary your team is defo solid against tr team but might struggle against tail wind team, please remember to take what i say with a grain of salt (sorry for ping)

broken matrix
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nah it's alr i only see messages when i get pinged

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i forgot to set it

wraith arch
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ic

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a counter play to tailwind team would be a tr which your team would be great in

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idk if clefairy learns tr tho

broken matrix
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it doesn't

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don't most flutter mane's run booster?

wraith arch
thorny aurora
thorny aurora
broken matrix
wraith arch
broken matrix
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k

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the arcanine was a suggestion by my friend specifically for speed control (tera normal espeed) and amoongus (goggles)

wraith arch
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yeah it is fine

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the addition of snarl is also quite nice

broken matrix
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ye

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the thing im worst with by far is spreads, there are just too many unique interactions with it for me to keep track of

wraith arch
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fair point

broken matrix
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the only time i think ive ever made a good ev specific choice is making my cetitan with slush rush perfectly outspeed non scarf calyrex-s, but calyrex-s is usually scarfed so 🤷‍♂️

wraith arch
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well mine is not scarfed and not max speed so that is that but imo ev spreads is time consuming rather than difficult

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i suggest just making an ev spread to do something against 2 or 3 specific mons even being good against 1 specific mon that is popular is already great enough

broken matrix
# thorny aurora i should change something?

(im pretty new to comp) i think you have pretty good coverage, only thing i think i'm a little worried about is urshifu-rs. raging bolt is really your only hard counter, and they usually run sash, so thunderclap wouldn't be as effective. You would likely need to double with two outspeeds. or i'm wrong, which is verry possible.

wraith arch
broken matrix
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cornerstone provides decent flying coverage for the team but wellspring would defo be better for urshifu rs

thorny aurora
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how will he ruin my team

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i have sun that cuts water attacks in half

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and volcarona to use rage powder with 30% burn with each hit

wraith arch
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fair enough

thorny aurora
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raging bolt thunderclap

wraith arch
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honestly its mb for not catching that one

jovial creek
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I like wake there ngl

thorny aurora
jovial creek
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You have AV bolt

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And cornerstone

thorny aurora
jovial creek
thorny aurora
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the most offensive

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astral

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psychic

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np

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farigiraf can also make fake out + setup strategies difficult

narrow dock
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silent fox
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So I'm trying to make a sand team but don't know what restricted legends could synergize well with it, any suggestions?

past harbor
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  • pelipper meta
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kindred kiln
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I might change the speed evs for groudon for weather wars tbh but i mostly want suggestions for the last slot

sonic wind
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I think its best to stick to the original composition, Umbreon is better when you have a 2nd dark-type and Fake Out because it doesn't deal with the Calyrex formes nearly as well as Farigiraf

silent fox
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silent fox
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advice is welcome

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silent fox
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that should be

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like

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the first thing you do

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when building in a restreicted format

silent fox
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ye fair

sonic wind
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You can do it 2nd/3rd if youre interested in using something specific

halcyon escarp
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pure carbon
hot lagoon
past harbor
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That Solgaleo set is absolutely vile

pure carbon
past harbor
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They are generally very good

pure carbon
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k

distant trellis
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Also I just wouldn't use solgaleo

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Straight up

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It's poor at best and if you rly wanna use psyspam shenanigans necrozma dawn wings and lunala are much better at clicking expanding force

ornate cloak
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Trickroom isn't the only approach for psyspam, you can also use Calyrex-Shadow

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A faster expanding force option if you're into that

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Also, Iron Valiant and Articuno-G serve no purpose here, you're better off using smth like Iron Hands and Farigiraf maybe

distant trellis
pure carbon
pure carbon
ornate cloak
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Then your only option that's unique and good is Lunala

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Necrozma-Dawn Wings is also ok but imo Lunala seems better

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You could try smth along the lines of Indeedee, Meteor Beam Lunala, Ursaluna, Amoonguss, Urshifu, Ogerpon

jovial creek
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Id recommend choosing another restricted

pure carbon
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Which Ogerpon would you recommend for the team that you listed?

west glacier
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.@pure carbon fire is always a good bet. Cornerstone for Sturdy too. Since this team probably runs TR and Corner usually just runs 252 252 to profit of Sturdy by maxing dmg and speed Firr is probably ur best bet.

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If u find Water to be great on some MUs go for her.

pure carbon
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Was thinking about Hearthflame but wanted to ask just to see what you guys thought. Thank you for the help!

dense nebula
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jovial creek
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if yes I'd recommend making Ursaluna Life Orb instead of throat spray, replacing Incineroar with Whimsicott for a tailwind mode and adding Low Kick to Iron Hands instead of Thunder Punch

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electric seed farigiraf is also better to make its bulk crazy

sonic wind
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Stone Edge is really bad, only 5 BP stronger for its accuracy

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Id suggest Poison Jab/X-Scizzor/Megahorn for nuking Rillaboom since you dont have Chi Yu or Hearthflame

chilly jasper
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chilly jasper
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Zama has wide guard not id

west glacier
jovial creek
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Grass can work if you want the help into amoonguss

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Tera dragon also works

chilly jasper
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Any other suggestions

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And yeah I have grass tera to resist surging strikes AND another spore immune

west glacier
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sleek laurel
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https://pokepast.es/2457ca81c656253a

I think now is a good time to send this here

So this is the team I’m currently building with and playing in-game, and it’s the semi-finished prototype that I plan on bringing to my first-ever regional in Fortaleza

Because it’s for in-game VGC, as in actual cart VGC, there are some limitations regarding what I can actually get in-game (e.g. 0 Speed Calyrex) but everything in terms of Pokémon species is manageable

I’ve been considering running Amoonguss over Ogerpon at some point because this is more Trick Room-oriented than your standard Calyrex-I team, but that’s the general gist

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jovial creek
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why is your bm so fast

sleek laurel
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In terms of speed and bulk creep

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That is actually something worth asking

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Because BM spreads like Caly-I spreads are like

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There’s a billion

jovial creek
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I don't really think bm is worth running

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lando I is probably a better ground type

sleek laurel
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I’ve thought that too but

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Isn’t Lando too fast to add on these Tailwind-less styles when I already have an Urshifu anyway?

jovial creek
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nah

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thats a pretty common thing to think

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but you aren't always setting tr with caly

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maybe you glacial lance t1 and get rid of their tw setter

sleek laurel
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Yea I learnt that in play

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Some matchups it’s better to postpone TR

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And ig it helps a lot with the Zamazenta matchup

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Because that one is a tough cookie if I can’t reliably set TR against it

jovial creek
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thats what peli helps into aswell

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also amoonguss would help

sleek laurel
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I thought of Amoong over Oger these days yea

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Also massively helps with opposing Calyrex-I which is a rough mu

jovial creek
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yeah

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you could go pon->amoon, bm->lando and maybe farig->fake out bro

sleek laurel
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I’ll test about farig in practice because atm Farig does help a lot vs Calyrex-S and teams with Whimsicott

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In the form of setting Trick Room vs them

jovial creek
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csr could be rough

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but you still have shifu

sleek laurel
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True

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And ig Incin would help vs that too

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If I were to switch Farig out for that

sleek laurel
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@jovial creek sorry for the random ping 8 hours later but

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Can you give me a lando-I EV spread & Tera Type

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The one on Smogon has like 252 Speed so I just wanna make sure that’s really what I want on this team

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Esp because Lando is another billion-spreads mon LOL

west glacier
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@sleek laurelwhat ur team?

sleek laurel
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(Read the rating process lol)

west glacier
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@sleek laurelgimme a min

sleek laurel
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Bet

west glacier
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u are lorb?

sleek laurel
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On who

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Lando?

west glacier
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yes

sleek laurel
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Yea

west glacier
sleek laurel
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Amoong or Ogerpon do major heavy lifting

west glacier
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ok cause amoong isnt on that roster