VGC Rates

[tribal void]

for a standard pult sneasler team

[sonic wind]

https://pokepast.es/8e6f11b31ebca3e1
indeed

[soft nexus]

Sometimes it’s good against shadow rider

Sucker punch

But Tera fairy might screw it up

Run AV

if you’re using kingambit in reg g

[west glacier]

Well...do you have evs for that? I know that whats in that paste. I need EVs made by someone who is good.

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/60d1565c5665f898 should I replace entei with gouging fire

[jovial creek]

Find mdb's videos on YouTube

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/8bbd0d5a860264e6

reg g

[thorny aurora]

Chien pao life orb

[jovial creek]

Looks like mdb's world team

[past harbor]

you cant have two of the same item bro in vgc

maybe scarf shifu is better here, and I think chien pao might want to have sacred sword to smack opposing zamazenta hard

consider electroweb / snarl on raging bolt maybe

[sonic apex]

not having a ground resist here is kinda wack

[jovial creek]

Gm trace

Also idt it matters

[sonic apex]

does it not?

[jovial creek]

What ground types

[sonic apex]

I think it pretty much struggles to the Kyogre lando-i team

[jovial creek]

Lando?

[sonic apex]

ya

[jovial creek]

You have pao right

[sonic apex]

sucker does not kill

and you get outsped since the standard rain team runs scarf lando-i no?

[jovial creek]

One of pon/bolt should probably change

[jovial creek]

Yeah but you tank 1 and crash right?

[sonic apex]

not entirely sure tbh but I think it's risky since like

they say they want lo pao

[jovial creek]

Seems worse

Imo

Ursh could be scarf here

And you could try to double prio lando

[sonic apex]

urshifu scarf could def help

or just mystic ajet

[jovial creek]

Yeah

But i think at least one of pon and bolt should be entei or rilla

[sonic apex]

I think pon should be rilla

you don't particularly need pon here

[jovial creek]

But then you have issues with double AV

[sonic apex]

you can also be miracle seed no?

[jovial creek]

I mean I think it's strictly worse

[sonic apex]

yeah but it's better than nothing

alternatively tho you can prob do cm lefties bolt + av rilla

[jovial creek]

Could do glide pon

+rilla

[sonic apex]

mmm

that's also an option but bolt is also broken

this is tuff

[jovial creek]

Probably up to them

[jovial creek]

In conclusion since we kinda yapped, shifu should probably be scarf or mystic water and one of pon or bolt should be entei/rilla

@sonic apex agree^?

[sonic apex]

ja

[thorny aurora]

best?

https://pokepast.es/f4ce8239af658139

@sonic apex @jovial creek

[sonic apex]

consider tera water on rapidfu instead of stellar

[west glacier]

Kuss

[hybrid summit]

https://pokepast.es/26189bec04d1330e further advice on my rain team? I added roaring moon to help against both calys

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[soft nexus]

roaring moon isn’t a great counter to calyrex ice

yeah knock off takes it low

but when tr is set up roaring moon just dies to glacial lance

also some calyrex s’s run draining kiss

[hybrid summit]

Yeah once tr is up you've got a problem

[hybrid summit]

With +1 from booster it ohkos

[soft nexus]

incin or gambit is better

[soft nexus]

Tera or protect

and redirection from amoonguss screws it up

which is why safety goggles incin is a better/safer counter

[hybrid summit]

Hmm makes sense

I'm using it on a rain team so figured I'd use something else than incin because flare blitz isn't very useful

But I guess there are good other fourth moves

[soft nexus]

incin is good on rain, at least it was in reg h

also it’s not really an offensive mon

and knock off as well

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/767a31d23ea7f902 this team did well at worlds with kyogre roaring moon, you don't have to copy it exactly but it could be cool to look at

[soft nexus]

it’s a bulky kyogre set

[hybrid summit]

https://pokepast.es/c1bd74cf59c7ff84 this is what I ended up with with incineroar

[soft nexus]

which is completely different from what they’re going for

Jolly isn’t good on incin it’s too slow

Invest in bulk and some in attack

[hybrid summit]

I figured it would be nice to outspeed caly-s under tailwind

which ev spread would you recommend?

244 HP / 108 Atk / 156 SpD something like that?

[lethal bridge]

just got into VGC and this is the first team i've built and i'd love to get some advice
https://pokepast.es/33cd58e97bd659f8
(the EVs are just slightly modified from preexisting sets i found to fit my preferences and i don't use shiny locked pokemon because im cool like that )

[jovial creek]

just run full bulk, you don't need attack

[jovial creek]

I think groudon really wants raging bolt

[hybrid summit]

Put the 108 in def? Or different spread

[lethal bridge]

yea ik they're good together it's just im weird and only use shinies

[jovial creek]

yeah then idk what else you can change

[jovial creek]

236 HP / 12 Atk / 100 Def / 76 SpD / 84 Spe

try this

[hybrid summit]

Still careful ature?

Why would I want 200 health over 201/

[lethal bridge]

maybe farigiraf, i don't really use it and when i do it rarely does anything besides remove trick room, i was thinking about kingambit instead to help with trickroom, do you think that would help

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/09e48d9161b949a3 how's this team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[past harbor]

it aint a big 3 counter when miraidon spams specs tera electric discharge uncontested here

calc tera electric hadron engine boosted specs discharge from miraidon vs your team

have fun dealing with it

[sonic apex]

yea this loses to miraidon

[past harbor]

dont even forget about its partners

add in helping hand farigiraf

[sonic apex]

not the greatest of answers vs calyice as well

[past harbor]

even more damage

me personally would add rillaboom+ incin somewhere

or maybe Av raging bolt

[sonic apex]

id definitely not bring amoonguss here

it sucks the momentum too much to be useful

[past harbor]

electric terrain blocks sleep btw

[stiff mauve]

rate my team pls https://pokemondb.net/pokebase/rmt/66719/rate-my-2024-reg-h-doubles-team

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/05e8fd8cca14dcae

[soft nexus]

Make it on poke paste

[thorny aurora]

look at mine there

[misty cypress]

https://pokepast.es/2cf4073f6c36c551

Idk if Mukrow is still viable

[jovial creek]

Probably good

[jovial creek]

Murkrow is usable and that's one of the better teams for it, tera fighting>tera fire indeedee

Milotic isn't that good but it could be niche there

[misty cypress]

It's for the banded Meowscarada

But i had a much easier time with a different team, this one was rated better on LabMaus. Idk why

[jovial creek]

Wdym by rated better

[misty cypress]

My Dondozo teams that I run haven't even won any tournaments, this Delphox team placed high consistently by the same person

[jovial creek]

If you want a team that consistently has done well than you could use mdbs team

[misty cypress]

Idk what that is

[jovial creek]

Primarina rillaboom kingambit magmar dragapult sneasler

[misty cypress]

Ill look into that

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/2d4727c9afa0f1a7

which one do you think is better?

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/1c3fa7429d5ecaad how's this team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sonic wind]

this is fine, Shohei cut worlds with a very similar team. Would personally recommend making the Rillaboom faster for more consistent Fake Outs

[stiff mauve]

reg h doubles first team any notes help https://pokepast.es/c96c80a75b60bc58

[west glacier]

@stiff mauve Bite>Crunch. Is stronger on Mousehold AND can flinch the opponent

@stiff mauve the only reason to run Life Orb is so that you can have protect. Consider that for Hydreigon or give it the choice spexs for more damage

@stiff mauve Eject button on Talonflame is really bad since it will get fake outed super often. Covert Cloak is pretty mich necessary on Talonflame if you want Tailwind to go up

@west glacier if you want to run words dance you have to invest a bit into bulk on Garchomp since you wont get any turns out of the boost if priority attackers like gambit can 2h KO u

@stiff mauve id recommend dropping SD and giving garchomp the Life Orb or Vhoice scarf. Depending on What item you give it either add protect or another attacking move over SD or substitute

You have to give your mons Tera types still. They are pretty important.

You generally want to run Heatwave or flamethrower over fire blast on Hydreigon aince its so inconsistent with just 85 accuracy

Also Clash canon could be replaced by dragon puls or Tera Poison Tera Blast

@stiff mauve Amoonguss NEEDS Protect. If you really dont want to you can opt to give it Clearsmog over giga drain to deal with dondozo

Your team has a horrendous matchup into boosted dozo

@stiff mauve roost on Talonflame is bad since litterally nothing does less than 50% to Talonflame. Just also opt for Protect there, or Taunt to stop opposing Trick Romm setters

[stiff mauve]

ok im gonna take these into consideration and rebuild thx alot

[sonic wind]

I do heavily recommend pre built teams

while this isnt as terrible of a first team, pre built teams help you focus on your play and learn the meta so much better, also you grow to understand why certain choices are good while others are not

[finite drum]

ive had an idea for trick room reshiram but i dont know who to add

i tried a game with reshiram, klefki, hatterene and indeedee and reshiram was actually good but im definitely not using klefki😭

[sonic wind]

<- Tailroom Reshiram builder

[wind widget]

https://pokepast.es/e4c597e4717e2254

is there room for improvement?

[finite drum]

i thought tailwind made your team slower in trick room?

[random wagon]

tailroom is an archetype where you have both tailwind and trick room at your disposal

[random wagon]

assuming you are a newer player, i suggest looking at some successful sun teams in VGC Regulation G to get an understanding in how they look, function, and play.

[fast vortex]

https://pokepast.es/8960873b82f0da35

[random wagon]

For example, this would be a good model sun team: (https://pokepast.es/6e42c9fdec7300dd)

[random wagon]

i recommend only using one terrain setter

[fast vortex]

i am not sure about rilaboom and amoongus it seemed fun to be able to change the terrain that much

[random wagon]

having both is just too much

[fast vortex]

yeah it didnt feel optimal to me too

[random wagon]

archaludon is also much better off using assault vest with a defensive tera

and stamina+body press

i would personally drop indeedee-f for incineroar, tornadus, or landorus

rillaboom should also be holding miracle seed, using wood hammer over drum beating (this one is optional)

[fast vortex]

huh but then what would set up trick room?

[random wagon]

you dont need trick room tbh

if you want you can drop indeedee-f for farigiraf

also fix up somr evs and give amoonguss rocky helmet

[fast vortex]

https://pokepast.es/09154f7b610984f7 this was another team that i made from the same core ig this one would be better

[random wagon]

for this one tornadus is almost 100% better than whimsicott

bc it gets rain dance

[fast vortex]

ok

i was constantly switching them out anyway it was one or the other

[finite drum]

oh

mb

[fast vortex]

Tornadus (M) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
IVs: 0 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Tailwind
• Taunt
• Rain Dance

this or protect instead of taunt?

(to block trick room)

[random wagon]

probably wants covert cloak over sitrus berry

and tera dark or steel

[fast vortex]

oh yeah for fake out

[fast vortex]

i forgot to change the tera's of all of them thanks for reminding

[finite drum]

is ogerpon a good mon to benefit from trick room but also benefit from tailwind

nevermind

im looking for pokemon that are slow enough they benefit in trick room but also fast enough to benefit from tailwind

[fast vortex]

ogerpon is faster then most of the restricted so i think not

[finite drum]

yeah

cause i want a pokemon that is kinda able to fit in either one

so i dont always need to bring a fixed team for every match

[fast vortex]

i am not a rater so take my advice with a grain of salt but i would look for 70 80 and around that ballpark of speed

[finite drum]

okay

here what i got so far

reshiram

whimsicott

ursaluna

and the giraffe thing however you spell its name

https://pokepast.es/afabf7d67ef5137f

[fast vortex]

looks good i think you can check the speed of other pokemon yourself too i think just make sure you are above 100 base speed max investment in tailwind

[finite drum]

i thought people didnt use speed investments on tornadus

[fast vortex]

its for mon like chi-yu typhlosion and such

just look at pokemon you feel like you would struggle and check your speed i dont exactly know all the meta i used to play in gen 8 but idk

[finite drum]

oh

makes sense

[finite drum]

added incin

cause base 60 speed helps in tailwind and trick room

and counters h thyplosion

[wind widget]

Oh I thought G only allows 1 legendary

[random wagon]

It allows one restricted legendary

[wind widget]

So that's why Koraidon is included

As ogerpon nor raging bolt aren't restricted

Is it regulations g now?

[wind widget]

Oh its still H

[finite drum]

reshiram is so good wtf

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2268338460-9mnomnifocmgw43w1vp3l23o760k71upw

[west glacier]

there is a good kyurem white team out there to consider

[jovial creek]

that mon is not used in reg G

overall reshiram isn't very good

[west glacier]

^

its bad tbh.

u got luck hte guy has a horrendous team

https://pokepast.es/bc1a8a181e071405

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[west glacier]

Try 5his kyurem white team

Geta close enough

https://pokepast.es/bc1a8a181e071405

[finite drum]

man

[jovial creek]

if you need a kyurem white team then just ping @modest dune

[sonic wind]

:wtf:

[jovial creek]

<3

[random wagon]

reshi cope

[modest dune]

[humble lichen]

help me build a team
https://pokepast.es/e04e59b36f72e61d
i know most of this is just horrendous

[heady horizon]

https://pokepast.es/7a8be950e3e0fbad

[thorny aurora]

Scope lens in maushold

[soft nexus]

Mausape is mid and rarely ever gets pulled off

don’t use beat up

[soft nexus]

This goes for you

and if you have hope in it go safety goggles because amoonguss

[jovial creek]

this isn't true

[soft nexus]

it is though?

Tell me last time you saw mausape anyways

[jovial creek]

early meta

[soft nexus]

Yeah EARLY

It’s only good early

It initially surprises opponents but they get used to it

But this is late meta

[soft nexus]

no Pokémon really benefit from sand here

you should go Excadrill

over dragapult

dragapult is frail and often gets taken low

the sand can finish it off

[jovial creek]

you don't need a mon to use sand

wide lends is better on maus

[soft nexus]

no mons benefit from it though

[jovial creek]

I'd make pult banded

[jovial creek]

thats not neccesary

[soft nexus]

and go Excadrill

[jovial creek]

and make maus technician

[soft nexus]

no Excadrill here is making me angy

[jovial creek]

it doesn't matter

ttar as a balance mon is a thing

forcing exca isn't good

[soft nexus]

Ok but Excadrill can do really well in sand

[jovial creek]

that doesn't matter

what you should be looking at

is does excadrill fit on that SPECIFIC team

and what would it give/what would the team lose without it

[soft nexus]

speed

[jovial creek]

right now I don't really see a dondozo matchup so amoonguss should be clear smog spore rage powder pollen puff

dragapult is speed

[soft nexus]

There is dragapult but it dies to sucker punch badly

[jovial creek]

with double redirection?

[soft nexus]

And sand can finish it even with Tera

safety goggles gambit exists

[jovial creek]

not as much

13/38 were goggles at toronto

and gambit usage was down there

overall sucker punch isn't too relevant in this metagame

I would be interested in a tailwind corv set here

[soft nexus]

then Tera dragon

fighting is okay

but dragon is a bit better

[jovial creek]

yes you would change the tera if you decided to go more supportive

the more I think about it the more I like specs pult here

but I'd say tera fire>dragon

[soft nexus]

hear me out…

[jovial creek]

what

[soft nexus]

Excadrill works with 3 of the mons

on his team

[jovial creek]

you just sent usage stats

from pikalytics

[soft nexus]

why would people use this stuff if it’s not good

[jovial creek]

I'm saying you have to back up usage stats with an argument, they don't tell you anything on its own

[jovial creek]

because ladder is dumb?

[soft nexus]

The higher you go the smarter the ladder gets

Also sand won a regional in this reg that had Excadrill iirc

[jovial creek]

you still need to explain your reasons

[jovial creek]

quite a while ago

on a compleletly different team style

[soft nexus]

Sand hasn’t been that popular tho

Best resource you can get for sand

[jovial creek]

so?

[soft nexus]

One of the only sources of a good sand team

This team isn’t entirely sand but ttar could backfire with sand on some of the mons

Like drag because most hits slap it hard

And get it low

Which then causes sand to KO it in some occasions

And why the hell does ttar have a brave nature?

There isn’t a trick room setter so there isn’t much occasions that it’s good

Unless that it’s brave for the specific reason of outspeeding psychic types in trick room

But they probably have 31 IVs in speed

[jovial creek]

its not sash so I don't think it matters too much

[soft nexus]

Neutral hits do more than half a lot

The sand damage really hurts dragapult

Over time

Ghold would be a better option

For special coverage

[jovial creek]

yeah you could go plot dengo if you change corv

[heady horizon]

What about corviknight?

[heady horizon]

How can i see that kind of data?

[heady horizon]

That solves my question jaja

[soft nexus]

pikalytics

[soft nexus]

Corv is neutral to sand

[soft nexus]

It doesn’t take damage from it

[steep mesa]

https://pokepast.es/33f6bef1182c221a

first time building for VGC, im doing current 2024 ruleset. I hit top500 doubles ou with a similar team, js want some feed back 🙂

[soft nexus]

Why weather ball?

For single targets?

[steep mesa]

yes, in double ou i encountered a lot of wifeguard so i but weather ball on it

idk how much wifeguard is in vgc but i thought it would be good to have

[soft nexus]

I mean

Most common wide guard user is pelipper

But you probably wouldn’t want to bring torkoal out either

Because most pelipper run sash

And they’ll switch it out if torkoal is brought in

[soft nexus]

Also a problem with weather ball is that a Pokémon that sets up another weather could be brought in. Seems unrealistic until you realize the amount of pelippers in this meta

This can lead to you targeting a Pokémon weak to fire, say, amoonguss, being hit by weather ball, only for pelipper to come in changing the weather to rain.

[steep mesa]

you think i should use earth power? thats what i use on my dou team

[soft nexus]

earth power or solar beam

[finite drum]

https://pokepast.es/1a02f1aa766ef8ca thoughts?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[soft nexus]

3 ice types?

chi yu is having a field day

and urshifu

[finite drum]

maybe i should have a mon with machpunch or something

idk

[soft nexus]

Mach punch is too weak

Go iron hands or smth

[finite drum]

otay!

[digital fiber]

EV Spread is way too basic imo, don't just 252 252 4 all the stats, find stats thay can satisfy majority needs. Like u want speed defense and offense all. Some things u can 252 252 4, but I wouldn't do all of them.

[finite drum]

had that cause of tailwind for speed and snow boosting defense

[finite drum]

https://pokepast.es/79344a1b00e881c6 i played a match and they said i need a hard hitter

i had ting lu for chi-yu counter

[finite drum]

yeah i definitely need another hard hitter

i might replace articuno

idk with who though

[final summit]

Hey

[soft nexus]

Wild charge over Thunder punch

[finite drum]

i was scared of the 50% recoil if i use it on a ground type switch

[soft nexus]

you realize how tanky iron hands is right

[errant merlin]

wild charge

not the other one

90 bp, 1/4 recoil of damage dealt

supercell slam is a different move

[soft nexus]

supercell slam is ok but don’t think 95% accurate is true

I use rock slide (90% acc) and it still misses😭🙏

it’s really 60% acc

[finite drum]

oh

mb

[errant merlin]

well duh the % is the miss %

[random wagon]

supercell slam turns protect into an offensive move

Wild Charge Iron Hands is miles better

[errant merlin]

yeah nobody uses supercell slam lol

dont know why wild charge is in the not commonly uses moveset

when its used way more than supercell

[tame idol]

https://pokepast.es/20362e2bd150c681
maybe a bit rng reliant but would appreciate any changes

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tribal void]

commander dozo should almost always carry order up for boosts from tatsu

[jovial creek]

It doesn't need to

[jovial creek]

Id say fake out over chop and stellar sneasler, dozo set is rng heavy but if it works

Maybe eq/order up over yawn

[modern shale]

https://pokepast.es/93799665787c67a7 Can I have some help for this team for Reg H

[knotty harbor]

looking for something to replace amonguss do not mention the elephant in the room https://pokepast.es/a2649c2b3fe4bcbf

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[errant merlin]

rillaboom/smeargle? whos the elephant

[knotty harbor]

this is psyspam no rillaboom and what smeargle set

[errant merlin]

spore/follow me/burning bulwark(or detect)/choice

focus sash

you can run a bunch of stuff for ur 4th slot

[halcyon escarp]

https://pokepast.es/50bed29375c3d53b
What teratypes should I use

[soft nexus]

No facade on ursa?

Meows should be sash so you can get that overgrow boost

[jovial creek]

you should change necrozma to meteor beam power herb over knock off room service

[soft nexus]

And murkrow should have eviolite

Jolly should be adamant, meows is already very fast so nothing really outspeeds it

Yeah sneasler exists but meows outspeeds it at base and most sneaslers run adamant

[knotty harbor]

room service is so that it works better in tr and is slower then caly ice

[jovial creek]

yeah but you have other options into cir

its already so slow that its better to be able to remove incin

[knotty harbor]

fair point i suppose

[knotty harbor]

also what do you think is a good option to replace amonguss

[jovial creek]

Why do you want to remove it

Also make granbull clear amulet over wide lens

[knotty harbor]

i just generally dont use him

[knotty harbor]

i made granbull focus sash so i can switch him in

[modern shale]

https://pokepast.es/f696a51dd8cbc548

[soft nexus]

Dude I replied to you before

[oblique fractal]

This looks more like a bss team

[halcyon escarp]

https://pokepast.es/50bed29375c3d53b

[oblique fractal]

Maybe drop EQ on ursaluna for swords dance?

And AV instead of focus sash, maybe go tera blast ground or ice?

[halcyon escarp]

Tera blast on who

[oblique fractal]

Oh! Lurantis! My bad

Or you can run leach life if you need recovery

[jovial creek]

Ignoring the lurantis part, looks good!

Eq on luna is fine

And i think sash is probably best

[halcyon escarp]

:(

[jovial creek]

I meant that everything else looked good

I have no idea why lurantis is there but im assuming you wanted to use it

[halcyon escarp]

Im sad because Lurantis is a bad pokemon

She is so cool

[soft nexus]

anyways go eviolite murkrow sash meows so you abuse overgrowth

and go the normal ursa set like
earthquake
protect
headlong rush
facade

and also air balloon is useless on gholdengo because priority moves exist

And don’t go 252 4 252 on bulky mons

[sterile flame]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2025regg-2270193210-1vz7myl98ilodvnx4yv363l0zrgtsifpw

I'm struggling to find what I bring to san antonio but I like this bird

[loud hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/414163429f4885f3

Made a lot of changes from my previous team mainly do to the difficulty of actually getting TR setup on my previous build

[old kindle]

https://pokepast.es/c692e8d9977402d6 id love some feedback on how to make this a functional team as id like to practice with a team to learn how everything interacts with each other

[jovial creek]

If you build your team on pokemon showdown and then use the export to pokepaste option then it ends up looking a bit better btw

[old kindle]

i see ty lol

for some stupid reason i took it from showdown into pikalytics to make a paste 💀

there we go fixed the link up, not sure why ogerpon is broken on my end

[jovial creek]

Ok so whimsicott probably isn't the best option there, it triples up on grass types and overall just isn't neccessary with setup calyrex sets, you could try making calyrex tera fairy draining kiss and adding a secondary redirection mon like clefairy

Urshifu can also change to a Focus Sash set

[old kindle]

hope this doesnt come off as rude or anything but can i ask for like the thought process through these things? as im relatively new to competitive (like few days) and i wanna see the thought processes put through these things as id say team building might be one of my worst if not worst aspect in comp pokemon in general

[jovial creek]

Yeah that's not rude at all, tera fairy draining kiss pairs well with rillaboom since you have so much recovery when it's in Grassy Terrain. Clefairy gives you a nice bulky redirection mon. It can help with more offensive teams but that last slot seems flexible

Could try a cornerstone over the hearthflame and change clefairy

[old kindle]

im assuming cornerstone is like a physically defensive version of ogerpon? since from what im seeing from their tera mask abilities that fire ogerpon is like an offensive/bulky offensive support?

[jovial creek]

It has sturdy, which works very nicely with Follow me since you guarentee redirecting 2 attacks

[old kindle]

i see

i havent really actually explored much of s/v and i only picked em up a while ago just for the purpose of getting into competitive 😅

[jovial creek]

Yeah the new mons are weird

[old kindle]

im assuming if i threw iron moth in there, id probably be selling the team, right?

nvm i just realized, what purpose would i even serve with moth

[jovial creek]

Yep

Iron moth is sadly held back by having 0 good poison moves

[old kindle]

that sucks, it actually has such a clean design

[jovial creek]

Have you seen its Meteor beam animation

[old kindle]

not yet

how does this look?

https://pokepast.es/8640ff8919234032

i wasnt sure what i was missing in the team so i figured, ill put in an objectively strong pokemon and see if it would round out the team or not

on second thought maybe i shouldve went for a glass cannon flutter mane since ogerpon could support it with follow me
or maybe specs

[jovial creek]

This could work, I'm not a fan of the double special attacking ghost types but I can't really think of a better option

Maybe pao

And scarf shifu

[old kindle]

oh i completely forgot to switch shifus set lol my bad

just pretend its scarf then lol

[old kindle]

oo actually chien could provide some very nice ice coverage

alright boom
https://pokepast.es/5c0f475bbaa47fbd

opted for sacred over throat chop since id like the coverage against incin which is its main check

wait dupe sash

this isnt gonna fly

ill rock life orb instead - fixed

[old kindle]

im not sure why but a lack of some sort of speed control sort of scares me

since all of these besides like rilla and incin seem to be fairly quick and would probably get ruined in trick room

[past harbor]

imo pao wants sash more than shifu

[halcyon escarp]

What can I use to replace it

[wind widget]

Jesus everyone is pulling no punches with their team

[jovial creek]

hatterene

[halcyon escarp]

What does she do

[soft nexus]

bounces back parting shots from incin

[soft nexus]

and also it does really well on trick room, as it’s very slow and does a shit load of damage with expanding force because psychic terrain

[jovial creek]

Slow expanding force spammer

[steep mesa]

https://pokepast.es/9fe5d1bab3fcafd9

i want to use wellspring rain team, js having trouble thinking. i used this team with like a 20-6 record

[jovial creek]

why all the 31s

[steep mesa]

js used Pikalytics and didnt bother to change ivs

[jovial creek]

you can use real ev spreads

[steep mesa]

ah i forgot to change their ev spreads in the website

https://pokepast.es/361f27fadf3c79ad

[soft nexus]

3 water types? Seems kinda risky you could get screwed over by raging bolt

And miraidon

You are kinda cooked against miraidon

Yeah rillaboom but if the tailwind setter on the miraidon’s team is tornadus you’re fucked

[jovial creek]

are you not building on showdown

[jovial creek]

its not torn so thats good

[soft nexus]

It isnt

But rillaboom is the only counter to miraidon here so

[steep mesa]

no im not

[jovial creek]

its much better, I'd reccomend doing that

[soft nexus]

And why does tornadus have no held item

Cloak or sash would be good

[steep mesa]

its covert cloak js forgot to add it

[soft nexus]

Oh ok

Any thought for hands/lando incarnate?

Or ursa bm

2/3rds of your team doesn’t have natures also

[steep mesa]

let me fix that, my pc is really slow today

https://pokepast.es/a653831a04292c45

did that fix it

[steep mesa]

i thought abt lando i js dk where'd i put it

[soft nexus]

Rillaboom

Replace rillaboom because ogerpon w exists

[steep mesa]

mkay did it

ill mess around w it

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/8c2ad30e4aceab1c are there any changes I should make

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[jovial creek]

Whats the reason for kingambit

[narrow dock]

Csr and miraidon

Should I replace farig and rill with Indeedee-F and Sinistcha

[jovial creek]

No

Change the farig set

To helping hand psychic noise foul play trick room

Maybe go incin over gambit and make rilla AV

[sonic wind]

Kingambit can quickly become a tera hog when so many teams run Urshifu + Fire-type to threaten it, which is pretty bad in a restricted meta. Also takes away AV from Rilla. Using Rilla for your Mirai match up and slotting in Incin to better help with the Calys feels much better.

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/0c645a275b220cd7
How about this

[sonic wind]

I think Rillaboom is better than Ting-Lu by a lot

[uncut harness]

how good is ceruledge

I need help with team building

[sonic wind]

Ting-Lu is weak to every offensive Mirai partner, weak to Rilla/Shifu when trying to handle CSR, and has to bank on Fissure to be a threat.

[uncut harness]

Was thinking of making a Water, fire, grass core. With Chi-yu and ogerpon (water)

[sonic wind]

has a niche alongside Zamazenta and Terapagos iirc

[uncut harness]

aii

[sonic wind]

walls Koraidon and opposing Zamazenta, Shadow Sneak do numbers on CSR

[uncut harness]

no idea but this is just what i am thinking of

For Reg G

might take out urshifu but that Mon is too strong

if anything

might just take out ogerpon for Rillaboom

but not sure

[finite drum]

how many protiens can one pokemon have? 😭

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/430b21b34a9a944b

[soft nexus]

make it on pokepaste and show the teras and movesets

and also you don’t need to run both flutter and calyrex shadow

[knotty harbor]

https://pokepast.es/4db291316ad4b658

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[soft nexus]

This looks like a regulation H team mixed in with regulation G Pokémon. Also what’s the enamorus-T for? And since you have a flying type, you should go earthquake on ursa over CC.

[knotty harbor]

enam t is for fairy stab which i find is good in this metagame and shes pulled a lot of weight for me i will do the third team but i dont know what you mean by the first poitn?

[soft nexus]

fairy stab? it’s basically covered by calyrex ice just missing the dark type

you need a strong fighting Pokémon

like iron hands

It also add fake out

[soft nexus]

I’d also say go hearthflame ogerpon over wellspring

Wellspring has sun

That hinders it

And the burn problem is covered by it

[halcyon escarp]

https://pokepast.es/4cbfd4554bad01c5
Made some changes how does this look

[uncut harness]

I thought so…might have to replace one…flyer is good with chi-yu but caly is broken

[wind widget]

I wanna pull no punches and I desperately need advice. Ivysaur is my best pokemon and I wanna make a team that can help him in Reg H

[oblique fractal]

Use him on a sun team

[wind widget]

Ah yes cause of chlorophyll correct? But I was looking for some pokemon that can help out ivysaur

Like disruption, attention drawing, healing, or late game cleanup or early game setup

[finite drum]

can anybody give me advice on how to train my pokemon in scarlet and violet

i don’t understand how anything works in that game

with the protiens and stuff

like idk how to do that stuff

[wind widget]

You'd wanna aim for certain stats based on the pokemon

Example: Delphox is a special attacker

So the vitamins you wanna primarily use are Calcium and Carbos as calcium increases base sp atk and carbos increases base speed

[finite drum]

also cause i havent played violet in like a year

my switch was broken

[finite drum]

i know i meant

idk how many proteins a pokemon can have.

are they called iv’s?

i just called them protiens

[wind widget]

Up to 26

[finite drum]

oh

[wind widget]

Because the max is 252

[finite drum]

26 in one stat?

[wind widget]

One protein grants +10 base attack

[finite drum]

oh

[wind widget]

So you'll need 26 proteins OR 25 proteins and 2 muscle feathers

[finite drum]

oh okay

makes sense

thanks

now i just need like 6 fresh start mochis to fix my fucked up stats😭

[oblique fractal]

Ivysaur could be a good sleeper @wind widget

Sorta like lilligant

Go something like
Sleep powder
Worry seed
Acid spray
Knock off

[wind widget]

wont worry seed defeat the purpose of sleep powder?

[oblique fractal]

@wind widget yeah, but sometimes it can be more useless, say if you're up against a farafigiraf

[wind widget]

worry seed the farigiraf?

got it

so who's in attack position with Ivysaur?

[jovial creek]

Why are you using ivysaur

[loud hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/9a1cc2f5debaef08

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[sonic wind]

most important question
wheres your restricted

[wind widget]

Ivysaur is my favorite

[uncut harness]

https://pokepast.es/7b97135c3cbe58d1

Wait so is this team even legal?

[jovial creek]

its legal

[uncut harness]

Ok

Rate it

this is the team I made from scratch

I used smogon for the ev spreads tho..

[uncut harness]

Im planning on taking this to in person vgc events btw

[sonic wind]

if you wanna go ho Id always go Lorb CSR and drop set up

slotting indd over waterpon is also probably ideal

[uncut harness]

wait write these out completely bc i didn’t understand any of this lmfoaoao

[sonic wind]

oops

[uncut harness]

Sorry😅

[sonic wind]

If you wanna go hyper offense then Id always recommend Life Orb Caslyrex-Shadow, and using a coverage move over Calm Mind.
using Indeedee-F instead of Ogerpon-Wellspring is preferred on this comp.
after that its good to test and check what youre weak to/uncomfortable with so you can adapt

[uncut harness]

hmm I think I would want to keep ogerpon (w) here bc of the fwg core plus it helps with Caly and urshifu with the misdirection

tornadus with both rain and sun control can help either both oger and chi-yu

that’s what i was going for

imo

but the life orb i’ll agree with

[sonic wind]

Remember to not fall into the trap of a fwg
FWG is good because they can switch in on each other's weaknesses, but absolutely not necessary, especially on an HO team that doesnt want to switch as much.
Can use rain for urshifu ! Indeedee provides you with a more reliable Trick Room match up and Psychic Terrain is great at keeping momentum vs Fake Out

[uncut harness]

ahh ok ok

that’s a fair choice

i didn’t think of that

indeedee provides terrain when switched in right

?

i might want to still try this team and then try the indeedee

[sonic wind]

yeah

good luck with your testing

[uncut harness]

aii

thanks

[uncut harness]

lowk ogerpon is fine here, helps with Kyoger

[halcyon escarp]

I didnt have any restricted

[soft nexus]

Nobody saw anything

[loud hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/5255c28f7bf03131

[sonic wind]

again, where's your restricted?

[tribal void]

no restricted mon like the calyrexs, zama, or pagos?

[soft nexus]

choice band with protect💀

[errant merlin]

heatran is best restricted

w

[narrow dock]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2271326005

https://pokepast.es/998d2ac9044c1d88
How's this

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

The bottom 3 are solid, top 3 are weird choices

[narrow dock]

Indeedee-F is to get rid of electric t

And egg is there to reactivate Drought by skill swap and either give grou or toed chlorophyll

[jovial creek]

Rillaboom can do that and provide you with fake out

[sonic wind]

if youre trying to go for this then its just better to run a tailwind setter with sunny day

easier to reset sun and provides consistent speed control

Rillaboom > Indd and Life Orb on Raging Bolt for sure
Indd has anti synergy with Thunderclap and Rillaboom still provides you with a way to set up Groudon. Can also pivot and resists electric so its much better into Miraidon.

Toedscrool is honestly pretty bad, and means you have 0 Caly Ice match up, the biggest issue with sun.

Id recommend Gholdengo or Safety Goggles Umbreon in that slot for ways to beat CIR.

[halcyon escarp]

https://pokepast.es/4cbfd4554bad01c5

[sonic wind]

what format

h bans enamorus and cresselia
you don't have a restricted legendary for g

[halcyon escarp]

But you dont have to use them

[sonic wind]

yes if you want to be extremely sub optimal

rule 4 states

Your team must be competitive, and you must be willing to have it optimized. We will not stop you from using whatever team you want, but if it’s not competitive, it does not belong here. If you are building a "fun AG team" and don't want to use viable Pokemon because you don't like them, this is the wrong place.

[halcyon escarp]

K so how do I optimize it

[sonic wind]

using a restricterd pokemon

[halcyon escarp]

Is there any slow one?

[sonic wind]

Calyrex-Ice is great

[halcyon escarp]

Who do I replace

[finite drum]

thoughts on slowbro for a trick room setter

it has oblivious for prankster taunt and its bulky as hell

[sonic wind]

Id recommend redoing the whole team, restricteds are supposed to be the centre and wincon

[sonic wind]

all my friends are dead syndrome (too passive and easy to ignore after setting tr)

[finite drum]

i had this idea idk if it’ll even work but what about shadow tag future sight

cause they cant switch out

[oblique fractal]

@sonic wind not if ya yawn!

[sonic wind]

thats neat

[oblique fractal]

Guaranteed sleep, puts pressure to switch, allowing for more opportunities to calm mind your Slowbro, then free psyshocks or ice beans

[finite drum]

oh thank you

[oblique fractal]

If you need help picking partners, I'd definitely recommend pokemon that can redirect electro shot

@finite drum use psych up + t-bolt if you need help against dondozo teams

[finite drum]

how about raichu

also redirects electro drift

[oblique fractal]

Huh?

There's no electro drift anymore

[finite drum]

what

im talking about reg g?

i see alot of miraidons

[oblique fractal]

Why would I assume that?

[finite drum]

oh

sorry

what trick room restricted legendary pokemon are good in trick room?

[jovial creek]

Calyrex-I mainly

[finite drum]

oh

was just hoping for something different 😭

[loud hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/a3b8bcb573bad30f

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[uncut harness]

https://pokepast.es/4d031b12b8c0b521

Ok I think this works better

Please any feedback

Kinda wondering if i should give chi-yu focus sash instead or smth

[soft nexus]

Aqua jet on psychic terrain? Go farigiraf over indeedee f

[finite drum]

what do i add on this

https://pokepast.es/89a4973d3001cdf1

i replaced helping hand with trick room

[oblique fractal]

Honestly? I'd say get rid
of heal pulse

[finite drum]

im starting over

i got gothitelle cause yawn + shadow tag with calm mind stored power worked when i tested it

[finite drum]

https://pokepast.es/31feec95cbd27b8b genuinely dont know who to add to this

[soft nexus]

Amoonguss

or you could go perish trap

[finite drum]

dont think i wanna perish trap

i have gothitelle to keep opponents in and forcing them to sleep

while setting up calm minds and using stored power

[soft nexus]

problem with gothitelle is that it dies to astral barrage

[uncut harness]

i should change the item and put protect too

[soft nexus]

change it to mystic or smth

[soft nexus]

you could also go detect too if you are afraid of imprison but there are very few Pokémon that actually run it

and protect has 5 more pp

your preference

[uncut harness]

aii bet

[uncut harness]

I also feel like changing Craly to ice instead of shadow…

[finite drum]

what items do calyrex ghost riders usually have

[errant merlin]

sash, life orb

i forget

i think specs sometimes?

life orb is definitely the most common

sash is uh there sometimes but its relatively easy to play around in open team sheet

if its closed team sheet pray for your life they're not sash

or you can double into it but like

why

[uncut harness]

i gave it life orb

[uncut harness]

yeah that too

[uncut harness]

in person events it’s gonna need team sheets

[errant merlin]

yeah ik but on regular ladder

[uncut harness]

imme be bringing it to in person events

soo i wanna try and make this team good as possible

[errant merlin]

oh fair enough

yeah life orb is probably the play there

[finite drum]

cause if people ran specs on it i wanted to run chein pao

like even if its not choice specs

just would have a better chance

about to make a whole fucking pokémon dedicated to murdering this horse bro😭

[errant merlin]

a lot of people do that lol

[finite drum]

ima actually run choice scarf chi-yu

i think choice scarf max speed chi-yu out speeds max speed calyrex ghost rider

[finite drum]

https://pokepast.es/849f35ac586ff3b1 random team so far

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/d9c8ac2232bdb5ae
How's this team

[jovial briar]

https://pokepast.es/aee9fee05fa33956 i feel like im lacking in speed and physical

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/c653685b3a256ac4
Here's my best advice

If you want to use Kyogre that you need either farig or tsareen

And if you want a rain team then tornados and Archaludon is a good pair

And Archaludon and tsareena help each other with bullet seed + stamina

Urshifu can get rid of TerRain and gets a boost from rain

And incin is there just because

[jovial briar]

tsareena?

[digital fiber]

https://pokepast.es/0fce8bb07b53cea4

Wanting to try a snow team with this. Could I by chance swap out Helping Hand on my Atales for Foul Play for physical pressure (especially against Caly I)?

Already entered a small tournament today and got a 3-2-0 score on it. (placed 5th out of 19 people)

But I don't know if I could be more offensive with my Atales, or if it's better off as a supporter.

HH has worked well, but Foul Play has been used a decent amount on other mons (Like Farig) so idk if it'd work super well here. If it could work, I'd like to give it a shot.

After running through the damage calc, a CIR with 60 SpD, highest SpD in Reg G smogon suggestion, with a fusion flare HH boosted has a 68.8% chance to ohko, but without it and + Foul Play, if it had 196 atk and even in snow, guarenteed KO.

Also as for other mons, it already deals a lot to them and I can hurt them hard with an attack by Kyurem White + Moonblast or Foul Play already, just wanting insight.

[vast thicket]

https://pokepast.es/336b0b8d347c7cc9 please give me tips I started playing a few weeks ago

its for reg G

[languid thorn]

you already have urshifu, do you have an example replay where you think its the worst matchup

[languid thorn]

might want to check faf in some way

[cursive mason]

I mean sure for torn ogre u prob need it but a lot of the successful (aka the 2 I've seen) ogre teams don't have either

like the one cm one at worlds is just a balance with moon

and tang runs a lot of dmg reduction like screens and wochien

[narrow dock]

Faf?

[languid thorn]

farigiraf

[digital fiber]

Anything for this?

[jovial creek]

Uhhh

@modest dune

[modest dune]

What's the rocky helmet on Incineroar for?

Ah grass anti urshifu

[digital fiber]

In funny terms: "F*ck off Urshifu!"

[modest dune]

Ic

[digital fiber]

Also I was talking in VGC discord and decided not to do Foul Play, instead I'm considering Fake Tears over helping hand.

[modest dune]

I am not too sure if that's the best way to go about it but it probably works

[digital fiber]

Oh it does, I've already screwed urshifus over with that incin, and with willowisp, it is very annoying.

[modest dune]

My own Kyurem team runs fairly different to this so I don't have too much advice here, I can see calyrex ice being an issue if you can't knock off the clam

[digital fiber]

I've fought it before and my main way of dealing with it is also incin, WilloWisp (since it halves its attack without having to remove clear amulet) and then whatever else after that.

[modest dune]

Yeh that works

I would say u could try fake tears in Ninetales

Over helping hand

[digital fiber]

Also if they don't have Farig or Indeedee, Taunt could piss them off too.

[modest dune]

Its not too major

[digital fiber]

I'm probably gonna, HH is good if ur tryna hit both targets for extra with blizzard, but fake tears severely nerfs one of them, and then it'll probably already hit the other for lots.

Only other major downside is Fake Tears isn't priority unlike HH, but Alolan Ninetales has pretty decent speed, and is bulky in Snow, so since it's faster than Kyurem, it can nerf enemy and then Kyurem can go absolutely APE on them.

[modest dune]

Yeah helping hand is just useful for targeting a specific restricted you wanna take out

I mean fake tears

Mb

Like if u wanna take out calyrexS immediately

[digital fiber]

Although another issue is it won't be able to hurt clear amulet CIR, but it's a 2hko without it and with helping hand it's only a 68.8% chance to ohko.

[digital fiber]

Oh that thing I can work pretty well around, since my KW has a LOT of Special Bulk

[modest dune]

Yea, at my Indianapolis run with Kyurem I lived like 3 helping hand astral barrages and won a 1v2 against a calyrex S+Clefairy using Blizzard outside of snow

Sp def bulk is goat

[digital fiber]

And in snow its gets 50% more physical defense which is awesome, AND aurora veil is LS & Ref in one, AND it can tera out of it if it's more worth having a resistance in a case than a 50% damage reduction.

What's good about it is it's good at dealing strong, straight to the point damage without needing any boosts, while Caly S, yes is stronk asf, can be blocked if not given the chance to get a grim neigh boost.

[modest dune]

You gotta run the milotic with it though... That's how you crush Calyrex Ice

https://pokepast.es/60526e8adb956462

My team is way more jank (doesn't even have a physical attacker, I did have urshifu at a point)

But see if there's anything that you can use here

[west glacier]

Hey guys how are we?

@modest dune what MU would you say is the hardest?

[modest dune]

Zacian technically

but thats not very common

[uncut harness]

https://pokepast.es/fe3016ae5378fb72\

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[uncut harness]

What if I put Caly Ice here

Or instead of flutter I put Rill

idk my team building is rough

MIGHT need a coach lowk

[uncut harness]

idk if its me or am I not finding any success with this team
Feel like going Caly ice
and Rillaboom (instead of flutter) but then I feel like chi-yu wouldnt be good here bc the team will lean towards a balance team i feel like

[soft nexus]

you don’t need flutter and calyrex shadow on the same team

and also timid miraidon kind of demolishes your whole team

maybe go scarf lando i over chi yu

[random wagon]

id just go raging bolt with tera fairy tbh

Scarf Lando kind of falters into rillaboom

which this team can sometimes have issues with

even despite chi-yu

[uncut harness]

this is very true

[uncut harness]

honestly might just replace flutter with rillaboom

[soft nexus]

that’s where sludge bomb comes in (for non AV sets)

[random wagon]

yeah still does eh

[west glacier]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2272847623
Im really liking this team.
Havent lost with it yet(still low elo rn but still).
I havent even run calcs for anyone but Incin lol.

https://pokepast.es/abb7664d7e9ec992

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[soft nexus]

U got lucky with that heat wave miss

[west glacier]

@soft nexus i know

@soft nexus even then. If I just dont forget abt fake out I win regardless

Nuzlockers would say: never punished

[finite drum]

https://pokepast.es/1fce68e062764813

what do i add

im trying so hard to make slowbro work

and he has so far

just cant find good partner pokemon

[soft nexus]

incineroar the rillaboom matchup is way too dicey

slow bro does have ice beam but it’s not very powerful

and that slowbro set should have a supporting move set

stall just doesn’t work in vgc

[uncut harness]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2272937789-29fzmls4e046mmdj7o84pnus84x4yn1pw

this battle was rough

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2272940283-rj37b3eak1l8fyr8pp5dldn790cy2whpw

damn

[west glacier]

@uncut harness who are u?

[uncut harness]

Red126789

[west glacier]

@uncut harness ur team is horrendous into miraidon

Why do u have indeedee?

If u want follow me take clefairy

If u want TR take Giraffe

Idk why u want tr on a caly team though

[uncut harness]

redirection for the Caly and urshifu

[uncut harness]

so true

[west glacier]

@uncut harness clefairy is better

Friend guard, eviolite

Follow me, after you, life dew, protect

[uncut harness]

I might just start from scratch and make a team around Caly ice with a fwg core

[west glacier]

Tera dark for the mirror and to avoid prankster taunt

Or a defensive tera

[uncut harness]

aii

but one question

what rank are you in val?

[west glacier]

@uncut harness uh what?

I used to be Ascendant to Immortal peak but havent played in 1 and a half years

[uncut harness]

nah I just see me and you are in the valorant server

[uncut harness]

ah ok

and also I hate copying so i wanna try and build this team from scratch

and def add TR to the team too

[west glacier]

The team is a bit gimmicky

No TR for a reason

I have yet to run it in Bo3

[uncut harness]

aii

[west glacier]

In Bo1 its been doing really well

Also some movesets are more test tan final

[uncut harness]

imma be going in person events

[west glacier]

Same

Maybe test team in bo3 for me 👀 👉 👈 ☺️

@uncut harness

[uncut harness]

I am not tryna copy teams 😭

I can use my team against yours

we can battle

[west glacier]

Nah.

Im a little higher in Elo atm and I also.think my MU is pretty good

Imma just have run it myself then. Just gotta find time

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/fb89fd0ae2c16a9a
How's this team

[west glacier]

@narrow dock is just kians team without fake out

[jovial creek]

Why is torn no bleakwind

https://pokepast.es/3a531d0cd990cbf4

Just use this

[soft nexus]

Can anybody give me a team at worlds that did well with calyrex-ice

[soft nexus]

https://pokepast.es/d9dc06d1d2320677 found one I just need ev spreads

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fleet thorn]

idk if this is the right chat to come to but this is my first ever time making a team with no knowledge whatsoever. if something is really bad or wrong please tell me🙏 i wanna try a team w mienshao

https://pokepast.es/cc4a1a74b98693a8

[random wagon]

regulation h has ended, you should slot in a restricted pokemon for reg g.

Since you are a new player, i recommend toying around with samples around good pokemon so you can figure out how the meta works

[fleet thorn]

oh i see i didn’t know ty

[versed shell]

https://pokepast.es/edc3a5655cd55f0c caly ice + bm ursa tr

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep mesa]

i need some help, im decently new to team building. i want to make a rain team w kyogre and this is what i currently have; https://pokepast.es/8fc48461d91dbaed

i js need help on the last two mons. i was think lando/rillaboom/incin/ogerpon but i can't decide. if yall have any valuable input lmk, and if you have more suggestions for additions lmk too

i was also thinking of using pelliper instead of kyogre and using a diff restricted

[jovial creek]

I could see this team struggling outside of trick room because of how slow it is. You could change hands out for raging bolt or maybe make urshifu scarf

[jovial creek]

For the second point, I'd recommend picking your restricted before you build around it but for this team I'd recommend landorous+rillaboom as the last 2 pokemon in order to help the miraidon matchup

[versed shell]

could i do both?

[jovial creek]

Yeah

[versed shell]

https://pokepast.es/cb12daffa1b9bbb0 better?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

Id recommend Pollen Puff amoonguss and foul play farig over Tera blast

[versed shell]

Alright, ty bigfoot

[soft nexus]

https://pokepast.es/82c23b6ad4918eb6 I wanted to do something a little off meta with calyrex ice. I don’t know if I should slot protect on calyrex ice but im not replacing swords dance

[jovial creek]

Why not high horsepower

[soft nexus]

wide guard and then stomping

which ogre should I use or do I just go indeedee

or farigiraf

[jovial creek]

Wdym

[soft nexus]

yea I use glacial lance they wide guard and then stomping

[jovial creek]

That doesn't double the bp

Unless wide guard and protect work differently

[soft nexus]

it does I think

[jovial creek]

Protect doesnt

I don't see why wide guard would be different

[steep mesa]

mkay !! ty for the suggestion, will definitely try it 🙂

[soft nexus]

I made the change anything else? I also edited it a little https://pokepast.es/3aa258f202cce53d

[jovial creek]

Run some speed on caly

[patent merlin]

https://pokepast.es/ec51e078efa4e400

i used a variation of this team to push 1600 in Gen9 DoubleOU, however I want to start playing in VGC and js wanted to know what yall think abt this team. (Only change was swapping Diance for Lunala)

[oblique fractal]

https://pokepast.es/ecf2b58496fc8190
help! I need to build a mono psychic team to beat a mono bug team! any advice?

[sonic wind]

double terrain is not great and NDW works better on hard TR

Lunala is more of a balance mon with Power Herb Meteor Beam or Calm Mind Moonblast

[oblique fractal]

How the heck do I get lunala?

@sonic wind this...is regulation H...

Wait, they reverted?!

[warped spire]

https://pokepast.es/50ca3a512087c742
o/ trying to get into vgc from smogon doubles but im bad at building
torn was a weird 6th that i havent been able to refine, but it plays well enough

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sonic wind]

I was replying to kuik, who was building for 2025 Regulation G, going on till april 31st

monotype is not my thing so I abstained from rating yours.

[sonic wind]

I don't think Tailroom Caly I is great but if you will use it, Id definitely recommend dropping Iron Hands for Landorus to flesh out the Tailwind mode more. The mon has some overlap anyway, Urshifu is already a Fighting-type attacker and Incineroar is a Fake Out pivot. Landorus is better into Miraidon as well.

I'll say youre pretty good vs compotent Kyogre teams though, even with Iron Hands, I'd consider switchng the Calyrex to Tera Water. And Aqua Jet is too broken to drop for Coaching.

[warped spire]

do you have an example of a caly-i team that isnt full trick room/a tool to find said teams?

a good caly-i team*

[merry bridge]

https://pokepast.es/a1bf53a63d1cb130

Please give advice

Only team req is greninja

I'm fine swapping anything else out

[soft nexus]

1. no restricted (I recommend kyogre because that’s how your team looks rn)
2. toxapex is a stall mon and that doesn’t work in vgc
3. go Tera ghost greninja because of those urshifus running around

also darkest lariat should be knock off

iron valiant works better as a supporting mon with coaching encore and wide guard

[merry bridge]

Alright

I chose Valiant for murdering arch

So idk if I can still do that while leaning into support

[soft nexus]

arch isn’t a big threat rn

and you could just use urshifu if you’re afraid of it

[merry bridge]

Single strike right?

[soft nexus]

your choice

[merry bridge]

But rapid would become fried bear

Bc it's water typing

[soft nexus]

if you choose to use kyogre as your restricted and add rapid you have 3 water types on the same team

which is really easy to abuse

next you should have some speed control

you should go tornadus over corviknight

[merry bridge]

Alright

[soft nexus]

with rain dance tailwind taunt and bleak wind storm

you could also play around with protean greninja

with scarf

to outspeed urshifu

[soft nexus]

I take back the Tera ghost option it makes you helpless against calyrex shadow and urshifu single

Tera fairy would be a better option

[merry bridge]

Alright

https://pokepast.es/c72dda81eae3da8b

I don't think I can test this one bc there's no reg g doubles ou in showdown rn

[jovial creek]

Wdym reg g doubles ou

Those are seperate

[merry bridge]

Is there a vgc mode

Ik they are

That's the issue

[jovial creek]

There's a vgc ladder

[merry bridge]

Wait what the hell

I found vgc reg g 2025

And it said greninja bond is banned by flat rules?

What

What are flat rules

Is greninja too curvy?

[jovial creek]

It's because battle bond is an event form

[merry bridge]

So it's not allowed?

Wait it isn't what the hell

Why 😭

Greninja is literally uu

What is going on man 😭

Well looks like I'm not playing vgc

Greninja protean has literally no reason to be used over meowscarada protean or cinderace libero

At least no reason that I can see

If anyone knows a good reason that I could use to make protean greninja work in a team please tell me

Oh wait I already have a vgc team that took me to masters anyway

So I might as well just use that

[merry bridge]

Still if anyone knows pls tell me

[wanton abyss]

Hello! Greninja could maybe work as a special attacking sash attacker. There are faster and stronger mons that do the job, but it’s not completely unviable. Its biggest issues are Rillaboom and Raging Bolt applying a lot of pressure to it, and its relatively low offenses leading to not being able to pick up OHKOs or even some 2HKOs

[wanton abyss]

Valiant is best on Caly-Ice teams because its particular skill set makes it perfect for tail room teams

[wanton abyss]

VGC moved back to Regulation G until May 1st

[merry bridge]

Would protean ice beam work against rillaboom?

[merry bridge]

It says it isn't in effect until the 6th

I tried using a team I used to use back when legends were allowed

[wanton abyss]

You would be hard pressed to pick up the 2HKO with Ice Beam versus AV Rillaboom. And Grassy Glide would bring you down to sash or knock you out before you ice beam

[merry bridge]

Ok

[wanton abyss]

Oh, has in game ladder not reverted?

[merry bridge]

In game it said Jan 6th

So Monday it will go into effect I think

Also I saw a few mentions of people saying to share replays in here and I feel proud of this one

It makes me feel smart

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9doublesou-2274453771

Xtreme diarheaa VS Elgatocat

[wanton abyss]

Well, first and foremost, that is a Doubles OU replay, and Doubles OU is not VGC

[merry bridge]

Ok

[wanton abyss]

so you may be in the wrong place for advice

[merry bridge]

I just wanted to share the clip

[wanton abyss]

Okay!! This is for rating teams, and clips can be shared when used to explain how a team functions. The clip isn’t useful because DOU is a fundamentally different format than VGC, so it can’t help us understand whether it’s a good VGC team or what your VGC game plans are

tl;dr cool clip, wrong place

[merry bridge]

For vgc I made it to master ball awhile ago with a explosion regieleki team with flutter mane rapid urshifu regidrago farigaraf and tornadus for tailwind

Also flutter has trick room