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[tribal void]

oh yeah nvm thinking of goggle

[jovial creek]

No

[tribal void]

why?

[jovial creek]

Please don't give advice if you don't know about the meta

[tribal void]

urshifu isnt nearly fast enough with adamant

[jovial creek]

Grassy Glide priority is very good

And sash urshifu doesn't need to worry about speed as much

[thorny aurora]

the tera fighter I just forgot to change

i use grass

this flutter mane is a more supportive type to give speed control to the team and be able to deal a lot of damage with moonblast to some pokemons

grassy glide gains priority on grass terrain, and since it has rillaboom

this flutter is becoming very popular in some teams out there, some use twave instead of trick room, but as most of my pokemons arent that fast I preferred trick room

[soft nexus]

too frail

this flutter gets wrecked by choice scarf urshifu-r with surging strikes/cc if tera

[thorny aurora]

no?

besides being faster than the urshifu scarf because of the energy booster

her evs are made to withstand an adamant

and kill hk with moonblast

[soft nexus]

that’s not even mentioning zamazenta

[soft nexus]

Tera water?

[thorny aurora]

i have incineroar to give will-o-wisp/parting shot, my urshifu and ogerpon to give a lot of damage to one zamazenta

[soft nexus]

incineroar doesn’t outspend

outspeed

heavy slam ohkos

[thorny aurora]

so, if you follow this logic, no one can use flutter mane

because she will die to a surging strikes

[soft nexus]

it’s hard to use

pretty hard

And not all the time people will lead urshifu-r

They could use their Tera on another mon

And while fake out exists farigiraf does too

Your mons aren’t even that slow

[amber cloud]

https://pokepast.es/b92b59d5f0948c46
Does this team need a dedicated flutter mane counter

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[jovial creek]

whats your point

their team is fine

[jovial creek]

no

maybe go nasty plot calyrex though

[amber cloud]

Ok

[errant merlin]

using this logic nobody can use any pokemon because x pokemon counters it

thats the point of pokemon

[west glacier]

Logic wise it should be the other way arnd as Urshifu base just isnt fast.

Adamant on sash makes more sense as u dish more smg back.

[jovial creek]

Both work

It's just not definitely 1 or the other

[west glacier]

U run adamant urshif defo on scarft thi cause u dont need jolly to outapeed anything

[soft nexus]

My point? the team isn’t really fast nor is it slow, it’s kinda in the middle(except for incin who doesn’t really need trick room). Trick room barely does anything and wastes a move slot that could be used for something like another offensive move or helping hand/protect

honestly, if they want trick room, go something like calyrex-ice

maybe even farigiraf

[jovial creek]

It's a bit of a weird set but id encourage them to see how it works

If they don't click it much or feel like a different move is missing then they can switch

[soft nexus]

The teams average speed is 97

Not really screaming trick room to me

I mean 95

[jovial creek]

It's a potential mixup into faster teams

[soft nexus]

While that is true flutter has booster energy

And if they replace trick room with shadow that allows flutter to outspeed and ohko calyrex s

[jovial creek]

But calyrex should always tera

[west glacier]

^

TR can also just be used to counter opposing TR by just reverting the same turn. No one will expect TR on Flutter

Wait nvm

I feel taunt and TR is overkill no? U can just always TR for either TR or Tailwind

Both cases u win

@thorny aurora sure you cant stop setups or FM then

https://pokepast.es/8310d4c25f0a10c0

So Idea is I want Dpult I like Tera Ghist to just shread so we have that. Tera Ghost Struggles with SP so Giraffe for Armor Tail to cancel these out. Bulky giraffe(no specific spread yet just min dmg overall, PSA no one is perfectly sourced yet since im not on my PC to do calcs)

Electabuzz mainly is there to extend the life time of the sweepers. Taunt also makes it my Anti TR. E-Web 2HKOs Pelipper. Pairs with Tera Dark sneasler into Expanding Force teams. Another option there is sneasler to duo with Incin.

Rillaboom for double Fake out and Terrain counter with AV for bulk. HH vs Archaludon 1TKo with Sneasler(if he teras im cooked).

Giraffe work in TR but I just dont want it up.
Need to check Annihilape MU.
Probably need Tera Fire/Water Rillaboom for Fire Tera Eruption stuff.

[sonic wind]

TR reversing is inconsistent considering Flutter Mane's bulk, and Terap doesnlt like Amoon or Wide Guard very much.

[sonic wind]

When fatser, probably refers to Tailwind, considering how common Tornadus and Whimsicott are.

[finite drum]

https://pokepast.es/b69152d86e96da83 what should i add to this

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[finite drum]

raichu just counters archaludon and pelliper

primarina counters dondozo

added incin

i just need a supporter

https://pokepast.es/c0c1dc1fe3c94c71 though amoongus would enjoy the passive healing

also whats the best tera type for amoongus

[finite drum]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2260981245 yeah apparently haze WOULD’VE made this match alot less scary

[errant merlin]

i liek tera water but it can eb anything really

"anything" being probably a defensive tera

if you're really strugglign against psyspam i guess you can run tera dark? not recommended though

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/fc5054233bc9aa7d after fiddling around with teams, ive come to the conclusion that i enjoy more offensive teams. Would zacian work on a offensive team and does anyone have a suggestion for a redirector as i know misty terrain + amoongus is not the most ideal team comp

[west glacier]

@finite drum Rillabooms EVs are bad. You are loaing free stat points with that spread.

Raichu and Breloom are really off meta.

Then u always want spore on amoonguss. Drop either Pollenpuff or Sludgebomb.

Raichus EVs are bad, but aince you cant have 2 focus sash i guess u dont have a great variety if options in the item.

Amoonguss and Prim.need a defensive Tera, Water/Steel Amoonguss and Poison for Prim are popular

You name raichu as ur Archaludon counter but you have only 1 way to hit it for super effective and that needs 4 hits to KO if its stamina Archaludon

Archaludon has other moves than Electro Shot

8rs still a tank with good dmg output

Prims EVs are very simple.
Incins EVs are also bad for the same reason as Rillabooms

Assuming you play Reg H and in game with this team

[jovial creek]

If you want to use zacian id recommend checking out the ones that did well at worlds

[tribal void]

i was inspired by grant weldon's team in terms of how offensive it was but i didn't like the weak miraidon matchup that was kind of dependent of tera so i decided to make a offensive zacian team with a more easier matchup into miraidon using misty terrain while stopping status with it as well but just wondering how other people feel about it

[finite drum]

yeah i added that

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/3a8982f63039f206

[tribal void]

just wondering why such a slow flutter

[jovial creek]

It should have a good or at least decent miraidon mu

[jovial creek]

Rock polish pagos isn't good, same with Meteor beam

[thorny aurora]

slow?

she only loses to another flutter in speed

[tribal void]

its 4 speed

oh wait bvm

nvm its timid

im blind

[west glacier]

why somuch bulke without set up?

Rockpolish over Calm Mind?

the bottom 4 are cool

but the top 2 are a lil weird

[soft nexus]

ok you fixed some issues

but why icy wind on trick room💀

also you can’t use icy wind on your own Pokémon

[thorny aurora]

i changed some things again..

https://pokepast.es/5f22361eefb33417

depending on the matchup I use tailwind/trick room

at least its working for now

(tornadus tera steel)

[jovial creek]

You could go farig over flutter

[west glacier]

Imo Fluttermane coverage here is better.

[finite drum]

thoughts on contrarty superpower lurantis

[tribal void]

contrary on lurantis takes too long to set up and lurantis is destroyed by common mons like chien pao, calys, calyI

well pao is not common

but the 2 calyrexs are common

btw

https://pokepast.es/da53200cefede955

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[tribal void]

do'yall fw screens zacian

the only real problems i have is with status like wisp or spore

wondering if anyone can think of a solution

[errant merlin]

aroma veil /j

idk prankster misty terrain?

helps against things like rillaboom and psyspam too

and miraidon

[tribal void]

i like being trigger happy with twave

besides misty would be counter-intuative with rilla

twave is practically my only speed control

thought of removing rilla before though

but don't know what id replace it with

[west glacier]

misty terrain weezing

[errant merlin]

i mean iron leaves

or ogerpon

stomping tantrum ogerpon

[tribal void]

yeah but theres still the problem of twave being mostly my only speed control

but ill try out ogerpon

probably hearthflame or cornerstone

cause firepon patches up some of the problems i have with the zama mu

while corner pon helps with incin

[jovial creek]

Really?

Pao should help

Pao+zacian

Could change to fake out rilla

[tribal void]

its mostly incin

spore is fine for the most part

but sometimes its annoying but thats how moong goes

[tribal void]

would i end up using miracle seed then? or switch around iron hands

with something else

[west glacier]

just use entei

the goat

[tribal void]

Nah firepon shall do

[errant merlin]

i was tryna find something that had a good grass move and a supporting ground type move

[tribal void]

rillaboom

high horsepower sets are a bit inconsistent imo since you're trading the utility of fake out

for a better matchup into mirai

[soft nexus]

https://pokepast.es/bbc14af01314abb3 chi yu is for when I don’t bring peli

also I hate incineroar

some things may be weird

[errant merlin]

to replace rilla

[tribal void]

why tera grass on moong

did u forget to add a tera type?

[soft nexus]

nah I don’t really Tera amoonguss anyways

[tribal void]

have a tera type just in case

you never know when you'll need it

[errant merlin]

tera water

personally

[tribal void]

i prefer tera dark to resist astral barrage

but tera dark does compromize your iron hands and urshifu matchup

[soft nexus]

I’m thinking about adding lando

[tribal void]

maybe over chi yu

landorus actually ends up benefitting from the rain if u decide to use sandsear storm

[soft nexus]

what set

[errant merlin]

tera dark leaves you vulnerable to a random dazzling gleam

so i dont like it

[tribal void]

yeah

[errant merlin]

like sometimes i tera and it just fucking

[tribal void]

its not optimal by any means

[errant merlin]

dies to something rnaomd

holy FUCK random

[tribal void]

but you already naturally resist dgleam without tera

[errant merlin]

yeah

[tribal void]

so there really should be no need to tera

infront of gleam

[errant merlin]

but normally they're just going for my other mon

[tribal void]

unless its whim

[errant merlin]

tru

[tribal void]

whim or torn

tera dark is good to get rid of encore and taunts

but thats about it

if you feel very confident in the gleam mirai matchup i think tera dark is an okay choice

[errant merlin]

i dont have amoonguss rn im just speaking from experience from when i did have it

[jovial creek]

Chi yu with no speed control is bad, go tera water amoonguss and tera stellar/ghost peli

Helping hand on peli could also be protect

[errant merlin]

the 2 major tera types for the mushroom is water/dark right

[jovial creek]

Worlds was water and fairy

[soft nexus]

I replaced chi yu with life orb sheer force lando

[jovial creek]

why not scarf

[soft nexus]

because urshifu

[sonic wind]

your miraidon and tera water Incin are super rough, I'd definitely slot in Raging Bolt over Chi-Yu/Lando slot

Peli is sash so Id recommend just 252/252 and Protect.
Foul Play is much better than Eforce on Farigiraf, makes it less passive

I second the tera recommendations

[soft nexus]

miraidon always teras, which means it dies to surging

If not I’ll go scarf lando

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/6f3b4d29532f46fd i keep running into dondozo for some reason and it gives me some slight trouble cause my only way to beat it is to force tera

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[tribal void]

any suggestions on improvements

or should it just stay like this

also i am seeing a lot of tera ghost idef zams for some reason

it feels like it just hard walls the team

also been wondering if pao is really neccasary

[errant merlin]

https://pokepast.es/2f8bc3c2d6f9f55e

changed the team around again

hatterene is 1 point slower than amoonguss :yippie:

i do NOT have type diversity though

which is probably very bad

[tribal void]

why iron ball on lunala

ik to slow down in tr but lunala relies on meteor beam for the spatk boost

[errant merlin]

ignore the lunala lol

i couldnt think of anything else

and i have helping hand to substitute for the spatk

[tribal void]

(personally) id rather rely on the after you from hatterene to substitute for the speed problem than the helping hand substituting for the spatk problem

besides thats the reason why lunala is sometimes paired with base ursa

cause its not slow enough to work in tr

[jovial creek]

This doesn't look very good

It's kinda hard tr but without any good abusers

[west glacier]

team has no point...just play CIR if u want to play TR

Lunala is Tailwind or nothing not TR

[tribal void]

lunala is not tailwind

[west glacier]

or nothin

[tribal void]

its tr but takes up a more supporting role with wide guard

and meteor beam to chunk opponents

it usually has base ursa because it needs something to abuse tr

[west glacier]

use dawn wings for TR

[errant merlin]

trol

[west glacier]

slower and more power

[errant merlin]

i like lunala :(

but yeah

[tribal void]

lunala has wide guard

thats why its more popular

[finite drum]

what is the best oricorio?

[errant merlin]

ghost offensively prob

idk defensively

[finite drum]

https://pokepast.es/226d3020fefcb41e also anybody got recommendations for what these pokémon specific stat spreadsheet should be i tried looking them up and they like all said 42 different things

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[tribal void]

bullet seed without loaded dice is too inconsistent of a move to click

[soft nexus]

Rock is a shitty Tera type

[west glacier]

munchstats

Shows unthe most used ones

[soft nexus]

labmaus

It shows graphs n stuff

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[onyx sleet]

https://pokepast.es/a3dbee6651f8f168
I need to figure out the tera types mostly as well as a few EV's

[severe basin]

https://pokepast.es/aaea5f92f8081aa6

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[soft nexus]

for starters with the Teras, rillaboom. A good Tera type would be fire for defense or grass for offense

next kilowattrel

Should go ghost because fake out will break your sash and you don’t have cloak

now the Pokémon

first of all iron defense arch is very gimmicky and power herb on rain

Secondly firepon doesn’t do well here

You have rain and rillaboom

Try using urshifu-r

[onyx sleet]

yeah i had fire pon just incase other weathers were set up but looking back that isnt the best plan

[pallid saffron]

https://pokepast.es/d5514815dbd9a8b6
First time making a team so its probably pretty bad. Exeggutor and gholdengo were kinda just thrown on

My matches into trick room and sneasler teams are really bad

[ornate cloak]

Koraidon sun

https://pokepast.es/e3bc9883e89b0ac1

[ornate cloak]

Of the top of my head:

Heatwave over extrasensory on Hyphlosion
Go lorb Ursaluna, cause it really needs protect
And replace something with Farigiraf, otherwise you're really vulnerable to Kingambit

And if you want to use expanding force, you need Indeedee, otherwise eggie is kinda bad.

[hot lagoon]

Heres my team I was trying something new for a team https://pokepast.es/0b820f0784ade706

I kinda wanted to swap out krook but idk

[sonic wind]

4.5 Glacial Lance weaknesses, and the resist is Chi-Yu

Korai's already rather tough to use so should probably look at worlds teams and take inspiration from how they handle CalyI and Pelipper teams

[sonic wind]

This team looks weird

Kilowattrel means your team wants to be on the offensive with Tailwind and Mystic Water dishing out the most damage, but you lack prankster and the ability to reset rain without Kyogre, which slows down your momentum a lot.

Ogerpon-H is pretty anti synergy, as not only is it weakned by Kyogre, but it doesnt help scratch Raging Bolt and many bulky Grass-types with Intimidate support.

Hitmontop is also super whatever, its offensive output is extremely mediocre and Kyogre isnt desperate for Wide Guard support when it comfortably stomachs attacks from the Calyrex formes and opposing Kyogre. You already have Fake Out and definitely need more offensive pressure against Water-resists with this slot.

I'd use Tornadus as the Tailwind setter to keep up with opposing Tailwind and reset Rain with Rain Dance against Koraidon and opposing Sunny Day Pokemon.

Hitmontop makes more sense as Choice Scarf Landorus, better patching up the Miraidon, Raging Bolt, and Zamazenta match-ups.

Ogerpon is tougher to replace, This slot is pretty flexible depending on comfort, a priority blocker does wonders for Kyogre against Grassy Glide and Thunderclap, but you could use a defensive tera and another Pokemon like Raging Bolt, Urshifu, or Flutter Mane, each with their own benefits.

[onyx sleet]

Oh yeah I replaced ogerpon with prankster grimsnarl and im planning to add another rain setter on the team. My hitmontop does big damage in games even with me decreasing its evs in attack to focus on bulk. I will likely replace Kilowattral with tornadus though

[sonic wind]

Hitmontop can do some neat damage but I cant imagine its the damage youre looking for
A Pokemon that can threaten to near one shot Bolt like Chien Pao, Lando, Flutter Mane sounds more viable

[finite drum]

y’all think this would work or anything

i got magic powder cause it can make grass pokemon no longer immune or something

and also they become weak to gholdengo or something

idk

nevermind

grass types are immune to magic dust

[ornate cloak]

I looked at some of those teams

But they use Rillaboom

As a way to counter Tera water Calyrex-Ice

Tbf shouldn't Raging Bolt be good in to Pelipper CalyIce

[pallid sedge]

hellooo

I have a team to be rated :>

[jovial creek]

into the peli part

[pallid sedge]

not sure if it's a good team

[soft nexus]

Dragonite shouldn’t be there

Sand breaks your multiscale

[pallid sedge]

:< any other pokemon you could recommend?

[soft nexus]

Also ninetales clashes with your own ttar

[soft nexus]

Excadrill, chomp

[pallid sedge]

ph ye that makes sense

imma take tyranitar

out

should I also take dragonite out?

[soft nexus]

If you’re doing that try bax

[pallid sedge]

thank youuu

[pallid sedge]

I really dont but if it has to be I'll do it

oh wait

I could also just change dragonite ability

ye that would work too

[west glacier]

IF is usually better anyways cause u dodge fake out and intimidate which are both incredibly common with Rillaboom, Sneasler and Incin who are all three in the top 10 of most used

[pallid sedge]

alr

so

I took out tyranitat

changed for excadrill

[west glacier]

nah nah

ecca only works with sand

if u want to run snow add baxcalibur for Dnite(bac gets a defense boost in snow+Aurora Veil makes him tanky af)

if u remove tyranita

u can try weavile or mamo for offensive ice, glaceon for support or just go a meta mon that profits from veil

[pallid sedge]

no idea if dragonite is still viable with this new team

[ornate cloak]

Wdym

[jovial creek]

it beats peli, loses to cir

[west glacier]

just play it, figure out what bad

change that

[ornate cloak]

Cir always runs twater, yeah.

[west glacier]

nah

most

but not everyone but yea hur point stands

[ornate cloak]

If it's Tera fire

[ornate cloak]

Then GGs skill issue on my end

[west glacier]

Caly I tera tyoes

by usage

[jovial creek]

no

[ornate cloak]

If it's grass or normal then I've got nothing to worry abt

[west glacier]

thats the usage

Fire highest

I run dragon eg

[ornate cloak]

It only becomes troublesome when it's fire

[west glacier]

so qa qiarter of a time u just accept its probably a loss? itsthe most common type

[ornate cloak]

But tbh ion know what beats tera fire Cir

[west glacier]

kyogre

[ornate cloak]

Sir

I'm running Koraidon

[west glacier]

at least purely offensively

[pallid sedge]

kyogre is banned in reg set h?

[west glacier]

well yeah but like kyogre does

[pallid sedge]

from what I remember

[west glacier]

so is CalyI

[ornate cloak]

True

[pallid sedge]

mhm

[west glacier]

we are talking about a different Reg

[ornate cloak]

Best bet is Tera ground Chi Yu

Wba that

[jovial creek]

to beat cir?

[ornate cloak]

Ig

I mean I can't think of anything else that beats

[jovial creek]

do you see the problem there

[west glacier]

glacial lance ohkos

bruv

[ornate cloak]

Ye

Yache berry Chi Yu

[jovial creek]

wouldn't even work

[west glacier]

idk man

[jovial creek]

because of unnerve

on top of being bad already

[ornate cloak]

😭

I forgot

Incineroar maybe?

[jovial creek]

ngl

with koraidon

you kinda just lose

[west glacier]

caly ice doesnt run psychich moves

[jovial creek]

thats why I wouldn't recommend it

[ornate cloak]

Knock-Off

[west glacier]

sh you can go with urshifu for tera fire

[pallid sedge]

oh

[jovial creek]

no one said it does

[pallid sedge]

makes sense

[ornate cloak]

Against Cir, ye

[jovial creek]

yeah

[west glacier]

gut then u double into fighting types which idk

[jovial creek]

but you beat csr

[ornate cloak]

But Koraidon is still fun to use tbh

[ornate cloak]

Yh

Tbf I could just tfire Koraidon and CC

And encore it into trickroom

Way too specific but that's the only out I can think of

[jovial creek]

a lot of them run follow me

can you send your team?

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/ff813283adcb85cf

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[jovial creek]

thats pretty close to a team I have

[ornate cloak]

Wait actually?

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/672a12a860055ab1

the cir mu isn't perfect but dengo+cornerstone helps

you could probably change the gholdengo tera too

[ornate cloak]

I was abt to suggest Heartflame Oger

But ye I can see why Cornerstone

[west glacier]

that was a: It doesnt run psychic moves, eg. u can run fighting types into it type of thought process typed out

[ornate cloak]

@jovial creek how would Heartflame Oger fair against this in sun

[jovial creek]

Wdym

[ornate cloak]

Can Firepon beat CalyIce post Tera in sun

With boosted Cudgels

[jovial creek]

Idts

They will probably have a peli or a redirection mon

[ornate cloak]

Ye ig

Ig Rillaboom gotta go

@jovial creek

Ogerpon-Cornerstone (F) @ Cornerstone Mask
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 50
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Follow Me
• Ivy Cudgel
• Spiky Shield
• Wood Hammer

This alr?

[jovial creek]

Power whip>wood hammer but yeah

[ornate cloak]

Ight

Tysm for the help

[pliant horizon]

https://pokepast.es/52363b24d4fc8190

personally cooked

[wanton abyss]

this actually looks very fun!

There’s a bit of antisynergy with palafin and weezing, and slaking is bad, but I like it!

[pliant horizon]

bruh

also not really antisynergy

[wanton abyss]

Oh!

I have learned something today

thank you for correcting me

[pliant horizon]

slaking kinda shit tho i agree

its really hard to make use

and it always force a weezing tag teaming it

[wanton abyss]

With that said, I think the team looks really cool, swapping out slaking for something like dnite could make it really cool

[pliant horizon]

wouldve been crazy if slaking could setup

[wanton abyss]

Truant is just so damning

how do your rain and sun matchups feel

[pliant horizon]

about the same

i mean slaking can blow up something at will so pretty useful

[wanton abyss]

Something more consistent would probably be valuable in that slot

and not completely reliant on weezing

[finite drum]

https://pokepast.es/58b0f6bdf580829b what do i theoretically add to this

[west glacier]

u can always have slacking be alone with sth on the 1st turn and then bring weezing in

like incin parting shot out into weezing

[errant merlin]

follow me smeargle without sash?

why not life orb gholdengo

also i this regH or regG

im assuming H right

[finite drum]

you’re right

i added that

i just forgot to send the one i updated

[finite drum]

yeah

[finite drum]

i mean

i didnt even consider that

[errant merlin]

and for pokemon, idk

you ca add a perish song user

if you feel like that

otherwise, probably you can run something that can benefit from the amount of support you have

so ursaluna BM or ursaluna

and maybe power herb archaludon(or AV)

to counter rain teams

[tribal void]

i mean metal coat is fine

if u want more longevity

and bulk compared to lo

[soft nexus]

why are you running both smeargle and amoonguss with follow me and rage powder respectively

[finite drum]

what should i run on them perchance then?

[west glacier]

Why spam teams like that .D

Anyway

Add Politoed, Archaludon

With a Perish aong option on politoad for clean up

Stalwart Archaludon with bulk and protect+defensive tera for staling out perish and just more electronshots

Also would just get rid of either smearfel or Amoonguss

Probs smeargel

Just slot him for an incin

[finite drum]

i had him for soak to hit spore grass types

i just thought it would be cool

[pallid sedge]

hello! if someone could rate my team and tell me if I should change something or not (this team was made to counter meta)

[soft nexus]

Ursa with no speed control is going to suffer a lot

From stuff like sneasler

Especially considering you don’t have tatsugiri

Go trick room on gothitelle

[pallid sedge]

alr

[pallid sedge]

otherwise is the team good?

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/afaa8d6869a307bc

im still going to do the evs

[soft nexus]

It’s pretty good otherwise. Some minor things tho

[pallid sedge]

alr :>

it's my second time making a team for meta

so I'm really happy it turned out right (with some minor changes)

[soft nexus]

First of all serperior should be rillaboom

ok maybe not really minor changes but

Serperiors coverage sucks

[pallid sedge]

ah no serperior is support

[soft nexus]

Rillaboom has more options

[pallid sedge]

that's why it's almost last :>

[soft nexus]

Paralysis is mid, sleep is better

[pallid sedge]

alr

[soft nexus]

Go amoonguss if you want a grass support mon

[thorny aurora]

@soft nexus

good?

[pallid sedge]

thx

anything else?

[soft nexus]

Ice shard won’t pick up the ko most of the time even if it’s priority

Plus A9 doesn’t really need priority

It’s pretty fast

Fissure is also gimmicky on dozo

And steel/grass is a better tera

[pallid sedge]

alr

tyyy

[soft nexus]

this team is pretty solid, just that ursa bm should be normal ursa

The special power is already there in gholdengo

And p2 + ursa is deadly af

Since this team is heavily physical you should try coaching on sneasler

[soft nexus]

I forgot, if you wanna keep serp go tera stellar tera blast

And if you make the change from serp to amoonguss maybe go incin over magmar

[pallid sedge]

tyyy

[past harbor]

huh...?

really?

because if i recall correctly, tera stellar blast is fraud

[soft nexus]

contrary

[pallid saffron]

what teammates should i use for a Hisui-Decidueye team in reg H?

[west glacier]

Dont use Hisui Dec

U can use him as a disruptor or in low ladder as a cointer to Gholdengo due to scrappy

[dusky timber]

https://pokepast.es/432d191dc16eb63c

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dusky timber]

here's a decidueye-hisui rain team that i really like

[west glacier]

https://pokepast.es/aecf04d6e8951b82

Ideas for the 6th slot please

[errant merlin]

why does ur raichu only have 3 moves

and also chien pao maybe for extra ground type coverage

[west glacier]

Cause I remeoved a nove to ltr add a new one.

[jovial creek]

Urshifu-r and then farig over raichu

[loud hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/32afa99640185341

Literally my first ever competitive team

[west glacier]

solid for 1st

[west glacier]

armarouge is giga frail and will always die to most dark type hits. I feel you should just cut calm mind, give it TR next to Indeedee to get spy spam up

Incin and Corvi also work in TR

same for Amoonguss

keep Garchomp as a mon that funktions without TR same for Corvi and Incin and Amoonguss and Indeedee

You can have to modes then

TW from Corvi with Garchomp as the Main man

Or TR from Armarouge Indeedee

you just needto figure out a different Item for either garchomp or armarouge as u can not have 2 of the same items

The same goes for Corvi and Amoonguss

Also heavy duty boots are bad in the VGC format

TL.DR
Change your teams items they are mostly bad and not allowed(1 item clause)
Give Armarouge TR over Calm Mind to add a 2nd speed mode
-all ur mons but Garchomp work well in and out of TR

Item suggestions:
Incineroar: Safety Goggles(improve ur teams matchup into amoonguss/Sitrus Berry
Corviknight: only thing left would be covert cloak/lefties/rocky helmet
Armarouge: Life Orb
Indeedee: Psychic Seed -> change EVs to 252 HP, 244 Def, 12 SpD
Amoonguss: Leftover/Rocky Helmet
Garchomp: Choice Band/Clear Amulet -> if Choice Band change SD for Stomping Tantrum, change Protect for Iron Head, can change Outrage to dragon claw
-> Loaded Dice -> change move set from Outrage -> Scale Shot

Additional changes: Change Earthquake to stomping tantrum as its super effective on 2 of ur team members and only 1 is immune.

[west glacier]

can replace BB on Corvi with Body Press but then you get walled by Ghost mons.

[soft nexus]

that’s not the problem rn, the problem is that you don’t have 4 moves on miraidon(discharge would be nice) and raichu-a should be normal raichu (volt absorb). And also you have 3 electric types

This team gets cooked by lando

Or groudon

[west glacier]

Sir...i just want a 6th slot I know that I need to add a 4th move and I already added discharge.
The Raichu was just a gimmick for a min and has been long replaced with Urshifu.

Yall need to kinda learn to just answer the requested part.

Like you didnt even answer the initial question

[tribal void]

add farig and drop gleam ngl

if u plan on using discharge and tera electric

gleam sucks

you need dragon stab

but thats side stuff

farig patches up TR and pairs nicely with hands

[soft nexus]

That isn’t really a big problem

There are more important things

[tribal void]

well not really cause clearly the most important thing is the 6th slot

cause they're asking about it

[west glacier]

It is the biggest issue man. I dont need help with the rest of the team. I left some slots open cause I just didnt add a move there at that time. But I dont need to know what move you think fits best in there. I wanted suggestions for a 6th partner. Which has been decided to be the 🦒

[burnt cedar]

Is this a good team? It’s definetly the one I have had the most success with but as a relatively new player I wanted to see if anyone had any tips to make it better

[soft nexus]

Why no restricted

[burnt cedar]

Like I said I’m new so I don’t know which are restricted and which aren’t. I thought walking wake and roaring moon were restricted

[burnt cedar]

.

[soft nexus]

base 670, cover art legendaries etc

like kyogre

calyrex shadow

Koraidon

Miraidon

calyrex shadow could replace gholdengo here

Anyways amoonguss should have a tera other than grass or poison or rock, like dark or water

Incin should have sitrus or goggles

[soft nexus]

Doesn’t it say which ones are restricted when you pick a Pokémon

[burnt cedar]

I mean isn’t rock a good defensive tera for amoonguss?

[sonic wind]

pick the format before building, and it'll show that

[burnt cedar]

It resists water and flying

[burnt cedar]

What would calyrex shadow do that gholdengo can’t?

[soft nexus]

There are better Tera’s and rock is weak to both of urshifu’s types

[burnt cedar]

Ooh fair

[sonic wind]

stats

[soft nexus]

A Broken spread move

[sonic wind]

speed in particular

[soft nexus]

Air balloon is useless because double target

[sonic wind]

Rock is rather unoptimal because flying isn't common offensively, strictly used by Tornadus. The Ice resist provided by Water or Fire is much more appealing, and so is the ability to stomach Calyrex-Shadow's attacks with Tera Dark

[soft nexus]

If you decide to run calyrex-s you could try out clefairy

[sonic wind]

and I'll say this, its advised you build around your restricted Pokemon rather than just slot it in on your current team, the format is heavily centralised around them and how good of a supporting cast the rest of your team is

[soft nexus]

Since you’re a new player, the world championship winning team may be nice to try out. A good website for a beginner is victory road vgc.

[burnt cedar]

Is this good? I have amoon and incin foe support walking wake for some backup damage and my two restricted

Roaring moon is arxhaljdon counter

[tribal void]

you can't run double restricteds in this format

its only single

koraidon counts as one

so if you're planning on running a sun team, drop calyrex for another ghost type like flutter mane or ghold

if you are planning on just going calyrex as your restricted, run something other than koraidon

also you should probably run protect on calyrex and either tera dark, fighting, ghost, normal, or fairy on calyrex

[burnt cedar]

Ooh I need a hard hitter like caly s but koraidon i need for sun

[tribal void]

actually ignore tera fighting

ghold or flutter can still be hard hitters

hurricane on walking wake + sun is not a good combo btw

sun lowers hurricane accuracy

[burnt cedar]

They can and I had gold. Would tornadus sunny day work as a koraidon replacement?

Oh good to know

[tribal void]

not really

[burnt cedar]

Huh

[tribal void]

torn doesn't work as a koraidon replacement

unless you only want koraidon for sun

[burnt cedar]

I really only want koraidon for sun

[tribal void]

since the restricted mon should be the big weight lifter

[burnt cedar]

I have too many dragon types already

[tribal void]

the one that does most of the work

[sonic wind]

Koraidon abuses its own sun by dishing out lots of damage and being fast, and Walking Wake and offensive Roaring Moon are pretty bad Pokemon imo. I recommend looking at worlds teams and using one to better understand the format and vgc

[tribal void]

^

[burnt cedar]

What wrong with offensive roaring moon when I play it right it’s amazingly powerful for me

Eq and iron head plus steel Tera is really good coverage too plus an awesome defense against fairy

[tribal void]

it has nothing to hit fairies hard with, dragon dance is hard to set up, and intimidate spammed/weak to wisp

[sonic wind]

Its not doing enough against the main powerhouses of the tier and cant outboost Intimidate, pressured by Fake Out, threatened by the major threats in the format. Hard to set up safely and take more than 1 kill reliably

[burnt cedar]

I see

Wow my whole team needs restructuring I’m crap at this

[sonic wind]

EQ hits your partner and is weakened by Rillaboom which are both rather annoying

[tribal void]

it all part of the learning process we've all been here one way or another

[sonic wind]

We all start somewhere, my first team had 5 fairy weaknesses in a Flutter Mane meta

[burnt cedar]

So I’m thinking using caly s as my restrict is it fast enough to use as is or am I gonna need indeedee follow me trick room

[tribal void]

trick room reverses speed tiers with slow mons moving first and calys is the fastest mon in the meta

so don't think you need much on the speed department

[burnt cedar]

Oh I’m thinking caly ice

My bad

[soft nexus]

Honestly you should go use a rental first

That’s the best strat for beginners

[tribal void]

make sure to check out commonly used teams/team comps. Its very useful to look at how others build their teams and what they account before

[burnt cedar]

How am I gonna build team building skills if I never team build

[tribal void]

you try yourself

playing the game is a great way to develop initial teambuilding skills

[burnt cedar]

True thx. I’ll come back for more help if I need

[soft nexus]

Rentals are good for you

[tribal void]

as you understand the meta and threats much better

[sonic wind]

using pre built teams is the first atep. When you use a good team, you understand why each choice is made, what the meta is like, and have a better understanding of what makes a pokemon or move choice good.

[burnt cedar]

I guess. Feels cheaty and unoriginal tho. Like I’m using someone else’s hard work and coasting off of them

[tribal void]

sample teams are made for others to use and as tools to help

[sonic wind]

https://pokepast.es/502b4993ed67385c
https://pokepast.es/326868174cfee255
https://pokepast.es/8e44b85c5505beef
https://pokepast.es/1b54662fd0cc662b
https://pokepast.es/c330d71013b2f3de
https://pokepast.es/aa81b9e88ce935f6

[tribal void]

it might seem cheaty and unoriginal at the start, but they're resources that are there to help you and others start out and learn

[burnt cedar]

Alr. I’ll check them out

Probably doesn’t help that I’m watching Wolfe and trying and failing to understand what he talking about

[tribal void]

the more you play the better you'll understand

i used suboptimal teams at the start and barely understood what anyone was talking about as well

takes a lot of time to get this knowledge, pokemon is a very diverse, complicated, and information heavy game

[burnt cedar]

Whew time to pull an all nighter learning this than studying for my test. This game is way harder than I thought

[tribal void]

lmaooooo

[burnt cedar]

These teams don’t have ev,s

[tribal void]

yeah they're ots of some of the world championship teams

if you want to know some general evs

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-24-regulation-g-sample-teams-thread.3747193/

here are some sample teams

with evs

though keep in mind they are a bit outdated for the meta game

well some of the teams atleast

[burnt cedar]

Bro… idk how to use half these Pokemon

[tribal void]

some of the evs might look complicated

[burnt cedar]

I’m still trying to get the hang of amoongus and incin

I’m straight up screwed

[tribal void]

it is very complicated

but don't be shy to use them

look at movesets

try to understand the individual pieces before you jump into a game

or if you like to figure stuff out as you go

you can jump right into a game

[sonic wind]

I'll see if they can beupdated soon!

[burnt cedar]

Im going to try and learn by playing I’ll give them a cursory look but after that im gonna lose like 400 points before i get the hang of it

Otherwise I never will

[tribal void]

it fine to lose a few points

you'll get them right back if you end up being able to learn

[burnt cedar]

Okay… I just swept some random dude entirely with caly shadow. Omg this team is cracked I see what you mean now

[jovial creek]

Let me do it part 2!

[burnt cedar]

I’m always learning so much it’s dizzying. I thought I already knew like 75% of the game. Ignorance is bliss if

[sonic wind]

ask the nerds (forum mods)
I have no power

[jovial creek]

Where do I reach them

[burnt cedar]

How would one properly set up caly shadow? I think I’m doing it right but I just feels so wrong

[sonic wind]

use the fake out and redirection support to create turns where you can click nasty plot

[burnt cedar]

Is it normally loss after loss after loss when you start out?

[jovial creek]

Yes

[burnt cedar]

Hey I got bored of losing and made my own team again. Idk why but I started winning again a lot. Does anyone know a replacement for skarnory tho? Ik it suxks but I can’t think of any other defensive support Pokemon that doesn’t overlap with two or more types

[loud hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/64a65ac7d506ac35

I took a lot of your advice, the team definitely feels a lot stronger and safer from the matches I've played

Although now I'm thinking I should replace garchomp with another Mon like ursaluna

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/d959766976720b4f how's this team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[west glacier]

Even better spread move, more power, more speed

[west glacier]

Ursaluna BM works in Tailwind with max speed.
Also please make Amoonguss Tera Water its a way better defensive type than ice is. Ice is realllly ass as a type. Weak to fighting, Steel and Fire which both are insanely common as many of the best mons rn have these types

[west glacier]

Weezing is potentially turning of 3 incredibly strong abilities 8n your team. Unseen fist, armor tail and As One are insanely strong

[narrow dock]

1. As one doesn't get turned off
2. I made the team so urshi and farig can only pair well with incin or caly

Or each other

In no scenario will urshi or farig be out at the same time as weez

But do u think I should replace incin with ditto

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/b5c83f5e51df5b90

[thorny aurora]

it is good?

[near rain]

Hey is my team anygood

[jovial creek]

!pokepaste

[drifting onyx]

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[west glacier]

@near rain thats not your team tho

Its just Wolfeys VGC team in Doubles with meh EVs

So yeah the team idea is good. The EVs dont work though since you are missing info on why he did certain things

@near rain 1. Wrong Format, format is VGC Reg H

[jovial creek]

Oh wait this is dou

That's a different format and goes in a different channel

[jovial creek]

Change the dnite to loaded dice set and make prim an Electabuzz

[west glacier]

Then he made sure that opposing porygon never get the spA boost from download by creating a gap in the Def and SpD of Incin and Porygon that is as big as the highest gap inthe team being Archaludon(that gap cant be closed tho) -> its probably the gap of Ursaluna which is 35 points.

You dont need to do that 8ts just an optimization you could notice in the matches.

I stole the team when he used it in the tourney so I have some experience with it

His Sneasler was surprisingly bulky too

@near rain

Can give u my evs if u want

[near rain]

Sure plz ty

[loud hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/bd8bf14f87fc7746

[finite drum]

https://pokepast.es/08387ab8699fdc1b who should i add to this

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[finite drum]

wait

why my primarina thing like that

hold on

https://pokepast.es/eff072b470100559

[soft nexus]

ice beam isn’t good on primarina, if you want to run an ice move go haze or icy wind

Excadrill is useless without ttar

Hydreigon should be corviknight

For the next members I’d choose psyspam indeedee-m and psychic seed sneasler

[finite drum]

https://pokepast.es/65481699fbd16961 i should change some stuff

[finite drum]

oh

i had excadrill for fast fairy and poison coverage

[finite drum]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2265636793

idk about the stat spreadsheets

[soft nexus]

Steel isn’t a great offensive type

Almost everything it does in this format is handled by sneasler

Ghold is strong because base 120 spread moves hit insanely hard

Not because it’s steel type

[finite drum]

sighhhh

excadrill💔

[soft nexus]

but ground is good still

and that doesn’t mean you should remove it

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/93564afc0c75b3c0

[humble lichen]

Snow cloak on Ninetales?

And I'd much rather use an AV set on the Dragonite with Ice Spinner and Extreme Speed

But that Indeedee with a priority spammer doesn't sound like good synergy

[misty cypress]

https://pokepast.es/4c5cc8ff2c9cbf7e Can someone rate my team?

[fresh flicker]

Get a sample team because this team has MANY flaws

Wigglytuff does nothing even with setup

If you use Perish song they can just switch out-

[misty cypress]

I was gonna change wigglytuff, I was expecting coverage to be the issue though

I mean it's VGC and perish song worked pretty well tbh

[fresh flicker]

It's works on Perish trap. It can't be used any other way

[misty cypress]

That makes sense

[fresh flicker]

I'd recommend you try use Wolfe Glicks team for Sacramento if you want to use Perish song

Because this team doesn't cut it.

To the pokemon and their movesets the only one who has a proper set is Ape

[misty cypress]

Why isn't the water absorb uproar a proper setup?

I wanted to try to keep that part of the team

[fresh flicker]

It's because Lapras is very mediocre. Plus you can just use Liquid Voice Hypervoice and destroy everything regardless

[misty cypress]

He used lapras for a OHKO team. I thought that might work well too on the team

[fresh flicker]

In practice it really doesn't against a skilled trainer

[misty cypress]

You've tried the team? Lapras bulk works pretty well IMO

I try using lower tier Pokémon usually, this was a new strategy I wanted to implement somehow

[fresh flicker]

It can take hits, it's just passive here.

[misty cypress]

I mean it runs freeze dry for rain teams

Dragons too

[fresh flicker]

Even rain teams have Archaludon

[misty cypress]

Good point

I wanted a fire type

[fresh flicker]

Other then Ape, this team looks like a Archaludons lucky day

[misty cypress]

I thought maybe rainbow terrain, gets rid of blizzard stab

I mean freeze dry

[fresh flicker]

sigh I recommend using a sample team to see what's good in Regulation H and also what can work well against it.

[misty cypress]

I know that

[fresh flicker]

Because in every level this team doesn't cut it.

Even a smart enough 8 year old can beat this.

[misty cypress]

I mean primarina and lapras are great

[fresh flicker]

Primarina is a solid mon. Lapras is just bad

It can take hits but that's all it can do.

Besides, liquid voice Hypervoice. There's 0 reason to run aria over that

[misty cypress]

What about perish song screamtale? Do you know an ability?

[fresh flicker]

Screamtail is banned in reg H

[misty cypress]

Does it use perish trap

I know but that's not the point

The reason I posted it here was because I knew it needs changes, but I wanted to know what those might be

I mean wigglytuff hypervoice has good coverage, I'm missing ghost I'm pretty sure

[finite drum]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2266104981 rock slide

[misty cypress]

For perish trap?

[fresh flicker]

The first issue is synergy

[fresh flicker]

The entire team

How does the team contribute for one another and how does it handle their weaknesses?

How do they handle certain threats?

[misty cypress]

It has synergy, but I was thinking that hurricane would probably work better for a rain team though

It's just not good synergy, but I was hoping to have people pick that out specifically

I don't believe that a Pokémon has to be OU to make a good team either. It kind of has to do with base stats IMO

Unless it's prankster

Lapras is a good pokemon to me for example

[fresh flicker]

Wdym OU?

[misty cypress]

Yanmega in Wolfeys Team was an example of utilizing a lower tiered pokemon in VGC in a viable way

I mean OU Smogon Tier Pokémon

I noticed that water absorb uproar is difficult because of the typing, hurricane being more common with water stab. Also attack is more useful in VGC, but it was designed to be very defensive tbh

That's why I added Wigglytuff, but that was the worst pokemon for the job I feel.

I had a different team i wanted to work with, but I feel like it was a little cheesy to ask others about coverage support and synergy

[fresh flicker]

Listen. Let me make this clear

In VGC there's no such thing

[misty cypress]

Omg I know that

That's the entire point

[fresh flicker]

Then why did you mention it?

[misty cypress]

Because there's factors like dividing the team into 4 based of coverage, etc. That's why I wanted a ghost/fire mon, but to have more synergy I'd need more water absorb utility. Water has more base coverage opposed to fire

[fresh flicker]

There's multiple key points wrong with this team. It's too passive, I get you probably are new to this to let me get things straight. Lapras, Indeedee Male, Abomasnow, and Wigglytuff HAVE to go

They just won't cut it

[misty cypress]

I think Lapras is completely viable

[fresh flicker]

And primarina might have to go too if the team calls for it

If you want something against rain then Ttar is a good choice. It blocks rain until the rain setter comes back in and it blanks Archaludon not carrying Body Press or Aura sphere

[misty cypress]

Tyranitar 😅

Ground team?

[fresh flicker]

Just wait,

Then you can add Indeedee-F and Sneasler, they have good synergy and Ttar can help Sneasler remove any Ghosts that get in its way

[misty cypress]

Sneasler is good, but I think Weavile might work better for my kinds of teams

Depends i feel

[fresh flicker]

Weavile isn't good trust me.

It's blanked by the #1 mon

[misty cypress]

I don't know what moves it has or the builds

I just know it's general typing and what advantages it might have

I assume it could probably be good if you use it efficiently

[fresh flicker]

Just wait a sec I'll build you the team

[misty cypress]

I mean do you think Noivern is good?

I wanted to build a Noivern team, I feel like you kind of have to know what Pokémon are good to counter them, and nobody knows that rn

What I didn't like last time was that when I used more popular Pokémon synergy, it got a little to specific to possibly win something like a tournament. I was thinking having more base coverage sweeping would work

That's kind of why I like the Wigglytuff and water coverage of the team, along with fairy types

[fresh flicker]

https://pokepast.es/d90dc27cea4dec61

Here's the team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[misty cypress]

I was probably gonna keep that part of my team

[fresh flicker]

You can use it

It provides many similar tools and tools that work in the Meta

[misty cypress]

I feel you did that Indeedee dirty

Use what?

Oh the team ig

I would change that Indeedee tbh

I noticed it has little defense as well, people said that is better for VGC, but I was currently looking at defensive teams. I'll compare it to my other team though

[fresh flicker]

Indeedee Female is a support

Male is meant to be a offensive Psychic terrain setter

[misty cypress]

It has a different type of coverage then my teams, which I'm considering being more of an issue now, but it's sort of the last thing I think i should consider ATM

[misty cypress]

That makes sense, I didn't really know the difference because it was new to me. I had more of other mons

I mean i have another team i can't easily show you, i got it from someone else. It used Pokémon like Staraptor, I feel like that's ultimately a better choice to make generally, that's why I mentioned having more general base support, like with a rain team for example

The current meta is like too easy to counter because of people having too much of the same information I feel

Hard to win consecutively

I made 4 teams out of what was initially 1 team, and I wanted to see which configurations worked better. I really wanted to get that Liquid Voice/Uproar element working with like a rain team possibly, it eliminates Blizzard though for Hurricane. I just liked the idea of a defensive team that used that combo

[west glacier]

Verry simple. If you want to run persih song u need to play Perish Trap. If you want a good Perish Trap team take Wolfeys. You wont do better trust me.

0 chance

[misty cypress]

I mean could you explain the ability or move that traps pokemon?

I mean someone said his competition in some month, idk how to check any of that information, just in videos?

[west glacier]

Gothitell with Shadow Tag prevents anyone that isnt a ghost pokemon or a mon that has a pivot move like UTurn

[west glacier]

LabMouse

u can check tournaments there

[misty cypress]

Thanks

[west glacier]

and used tewams as well as performance

if u look for niche stuff:
James Beak and CybertronVGC or talonVGC on YT

[misty cypress]

I hope what I said about having more general coverage made sense. People are using ursaluna now, but Inwas thinking about rain team could work well

[west glacier]

sure u need coverage bu U should do that with useful mons and moves. Marilland Teambuilder helps u see how good you defensive and offensive coverage is

u need to enable advanced mode to see ur offensive coverage

[misty cypress]

I injured my neck and brain i think btw, sorry if I sound dumb

That sounds good, thank you. Idk any site can judge synergy though, i feel that's the harder part when trying to use lower tiered mons

I wanted to say that I saw people using perish song without a trap in Smogon. It's a forced Switch , in VGC it works in 50% of the battle with no trap. On a defensive team, I think Perish Song could work well without Shadow Tag

I modeled the 4 teams i made from the Sound typing idea. I loved the Water Absorb Uproar idea a ton, but the meta isn't full of Hazards/Sandstorm teams anymore. It'd work well for that on a rain team I think

[rugged zinc]

any advice on how I can improve either of these teams (or just outright tell me how garbage they are?)
https://pokepast.es/b3812efb23bfea37
With this team I feel like i lack dmg if I don't bring Ursuluna, but I also really like the idea of frosmoth ninetales even though I find myself only bringing frosmoth when they have 2 dragontypes like garchomp/dragapult/dragonite
https://pokepast.es/9973c00ee2d8a647
I think I tried to get too much of everything in 1 team (lots of dmg, lots of supp, bit of speedcontrol)

(its reg H)

[west glacier]

yeah u simply lack damage

[misty cypress]

I would say your item choices are a little unoptimized, that's really it. Personally I'd try to run a Noivern opposed to Primarina, might not give you type advantage though

[west glacier]

hard disagree

prim is a meta threat and pairs good into draga pult

noivern doesnt work in this team except for the Tailwin option

[misty cypress]

That's essentially what I use it for

[west glacier]

Though he should just opt for the SneaslerPult archetype and drop one redirector @rugged zinc

you are legit in that except for amoonguss

[misty cypress]

Throat spray on Primarina is a very limited use case id say

[west glacier]

no

[misty cypress]

That's why I'd run a Noivern, to get more out of throat spray, and have a fast sweeper.

[west glacier]

how does noiver get more out of throat spray?

Prim is way bulkier and with the boost does exceptional damage in the regulation

[misty cypress]

I think the primarina build is too limited

[west glacier]

give a reason though

just cause u think so doesnt make it a correct statement.

[misty cypress]

You're gonna run a throat spray on a Primarina for just Hyper Voice, and you don't even have a tailwind mon for VGC?

That's death fodder to me

It has resistance type advantage I guess, but it's squishy otherwise.

I mean it just has a base 80 HP stat? So the only "bulk" you're getting is type advantage, which is 5 resistances

I think late game Primarina goes bad with the throat spray, something like helping hand on a defensive wall would probably give enough damage with STAB as an alternative idea

[dusky timber]

i like primarina for the perish song option

[misty cypress]

That's what I was thinking tbh, it's a good forcing tool on stalls and setups, it would probably go well with regenerator

Tangrowth is still illegal though! It sucks, toedscruel sucks!

I wanted to note though, VGC teams are usually hyperoffensive

When SV first came out, the VGC meta reminded me of Gen 1, now they banned all the paradox forms though. It's picked up a lot since then, but I feel it's just in a weird spot

[west glacier]

for what?

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/98ee189254ea0916

[rugged zinc]

what would you change?

[west glacier]

keep reading

[rugged zinc]

I did but I thought that you were talking about the second team there... mb (:

but you would say drop ninetales + frosmoth for sneasler dragapult?

[shadow mason]

https://pokepast.es/d8df4c440bb78e0f Zamazenta Offense Reg G

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[west glacier]

No. Im rntirely on team 2.

I feel like ur first is good for what u want to do. If u want more dmg u gotta drop frosmoth for sth more powerful

Tbh

125 is decent though. You just have a lot of spread damaga with it whixh xould feel bad.

[west glacier]

I think AV rilla is a lot better as it improves its matchup into Miraidon. Thats his main use case

[shadow mason]

Yeah I'll switch up AV

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/ff6271ef8f3c71ee

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/f3adeb3cc2b3efd5 how's this team

[sonic wind]

is this not Kelsh's worlds team with Hearthflame over Entei

[finite drum]

https://pokepast.es/4d61a25b054ab430

[finite drum]

any ideas for a scream tail team for reg G

[languid thorn]

Glad to see my double speed entei team pick up

[sonic wind]

you lack ways to damage Pelipper when Terad, and it nukes half your team. Id use Raging Bolt, Iron Hands, or Ogerpon-C over Grimmsnarl

though if you do that might be wiser to use Tera Water Dengo for an easier CIR

[jovial creek]

Use with pagos

Incin rilla amoonguss

+1

[west glacier]

?

[errant merlin]

scrolling twitter and i see THIS ABOMINATION WOLFEY WHAT IS THIS

PLEASE.

[tribal void]

wdym adaptability banded wave crash basculin white striped

its peak

[sonic wind]

vgc lc probably

[errant merlin]

ITS
REGH

REGULATION

H

[sonic apex]

that's just world champ difference

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/f92fba11b2f0f5b6
How's this team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

It doesn't really look like a zama team to me

[narrow dock]

How about this

https://pokepast.es/a5d220736baf8269

[jovial creek]

Interesting tsareena set

I prefer farig on kyogre teams though since it can tr

You could also go mystic water fish

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/c105a5b4a624ae6e

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ornate cloak]

I really like psychc seed Csr because It hinders Knock-Off and the redirection combined with constant offensive pressure applied by csr is really good

[random wagon]

Honestly life orb is overall better here

And since you have terrain you definitely want expanding force over psyshock

[ornate cloak]

Expanding Force + Astral Barrage hard loses to wide guard

The reliance on tmu becomes very critical atp

Psyshock isn't even allat bad tbh

[random wagon]

Then run psyshock over np

[ornate cloak]

Then my damage output is significantly hindered

Can't always rely on csr taking KOs

[random wagon]

Lorb+csr already does massive dmg

And if you pick up a ko you can steamroll

[ornate cloak]

"if"

[random wagon]

Yeah and most of the time you will

[ornate cloak]

And I'm neither running dkiss, not gsurge, nor heal pulse

Lorb does more harm than good imo

[random wagon]

It does way more good

It doesnt matter that you dont have healing

[ornate cloak]

It kinda does tho

[random wagon]

bc csr is more ofna late game mon already

[ornate cloak]

And vulnerable to Knock

[random wagon]

so lorb chip isnt that big of a deal

[random wagon]

you have follow me with indeedee-f and potential to use tera fairy

No matter what csr is vulnerable to knock off because of its typing

[ornate cloak]

True but even so, psyseed kinda makes the Knock mu slightly better w Twater which is mostly what I go for

[random wagon]

Yeah slightly better doesnt mean anything

Like it doesnt xhange much

[ornate cloak]

True

[hybrid summit]

Hi all, I'd love some advice on my Kyogre team. This is the one I've been having most success with:
https://pokepast.es/8f32f0594e7faab0
But these are other builds I've tried:
https://pokepast.es/c983f14ea6205bc5
https://pokepast.es/620168a48d83c486
All advice would be much appreciated. Thank you in advance!

[tribal void]

idk if this would be 100% true(pretty sure but if anyone wants to back me up or go against what I say since i don't play ogre) but usually I think ogre teams require some sort of priority denial since ogre is weak to the most common priority moves, grassy glide and thunderclap

something like tsareena

or farigiraf should probably be considered

[jovial creek]

Don't require but it's nice to have

[jovial creek]

I don't understand what flutter mane does there

[hybrid summit]

Mainly just have big damage

But I'm open to scrapping it

[cursive mason]

not necessary (i.e tsltangs ogre team) but I think the more offensive ones tend to have giraffe or smthing ye

top ogre team at worlds also didn't have any prio block

but they had amoong

and it was a cm ogre so prob bulky

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/14dbd472b730d5a2 how's this team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

entei on rain is not very good

could probably go pao over that, farigiraf over tsareena and some fake out mon over arch

[narrow dock]

How's this for TailRoom

https://pokepast.es/695409efa4185d63

[jovial creek]

cir tailroom not that good

[wanton abyss]

Yall just be saying anything huh

[jovial creek]

?

[wanton abyss]

@narrow dock thanks for sharing! I like the concept of the team

I think it has some potential. It definitely seems quite weak to CSR and Miraidon teams, which is not a matchup you really want to be losing

[jovial creek]

I think its weak to everything

[wanton abyss]

You also look a little weak into opposing CIR

yeah the big 3

My first changes would be dropping Farig and putting rain dance + taunt on tornadus over sunny day heat wave

[narrow dock]

Then what

[jovial creek]

adding bleakwind storm

so you can contribute

[narrow dock]

I have a question

Is kingambit a good counter to the cir and csr and miraidon

[jovial creek]

no

[west glacier]

Ill slaughter yall

Is such a mood sometimes

Anyway, Does anyone have a good past for a SneaslerPult team with Gambit

[tribal void]

aint that just rilla sneasler pult gambit prim magmar/elec