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tribal void
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its better than jollly

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unless you really want to get the jump on other urshi

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besides from that

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adamant is overall better iirc

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actually

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nvm

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6.3 is wrong

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it doesnt ohko

soft nexus
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the calyrex will switch

tribal void
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but still

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point still stands

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adamant is overall better

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unless you're that worried about other scarf urshifus

soft nexus
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what else

tribal void
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wdym

soft nexus
tribal void
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adamant gives you a bit more power that with some chip could get some KOs that otherwise jolly couldn't, while jolly only really has one specific interaction with mirror matchups

tribal void
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but sitrus sets still live iirc

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but still threaten hard

soft nexus
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aren’t most of them orb or something

tribal void
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yeah but theres a rare sitrus

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here and there

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but

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also

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nvm

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i was about to type something but then remembered the only other weather is sun

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but yeah thats really the whole point

west glacier
tribal void
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true

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but still adamant is better

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my reasoning using sitrus is faulty

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but

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adamant's damage boost is better than the barely impactful speed from jolly

west glacier
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Choice is and has always been a popular choice and found success.

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Sure there is risk and Mystic water might just be the better option

tribal void
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i mean the scarf urshifu

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the kyogre

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specs/scarf is just very inconsistent with wide guard being around

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and weather wars with koraidon sometimes

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or sunny day whimsicott

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that just pops up sometime

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not very common

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but

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sun is still weird with koraidon if you lock into water spout

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you will have to play around it a lot or support

west glacier
# tribal void it doesnt ohko

surging strikes adamant Urshifu Choice Scarf Tera Water 75% OHKO on Calyrex Shadow.
Calyrex Ice is never dropping to anything from Urshifu

tribal void
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extra damage is worth it though

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jolly's speed is negliable so might as well take the extra damage

west glacier
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not arguing against that

soft nexus
soft nexus
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there is also flutter mane

tribal void
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the problem with this

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is that kyogre is choice locked

soft nexus
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switch out

tribal void
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it would be fine if ogre wasnt choice locked

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cant they take advantage of that

soft nexus
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kyogre can either be two ways

  1. early sweep
  2. late sweep
tribal void
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cause imo you're giving the opponent too much leeway

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to do stuff

soft nexus
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if they have wide guard I go late sweep

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keep it in back

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should I add waterpon

tribal void
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waterpon is useless here imo

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3 water types seems redundant

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and too rilla weak

soft nexus
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farigiraf

tribal void
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waterpon doesnt do good against rilla anyways

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its mostly wood hammer

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not glide you're scared of

soft nexus
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ice beam

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choice lock into ice beam

tribal void
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you could do that

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but not always will your kyogre stay alive

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hmmm

soft nexus
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what really threatens kyogre tho

tribal void
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miraidon, raging bolt, waterpon, rillaboom

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calys basically

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koraidon if played correctly

soft nexus
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calyrex can’t do a huge amount of damage

tribal void
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it can

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trust me it can

soft nexus
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140 sp def

tribal void
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without assault vest

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it can chunk that whale

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+2 252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 138-163 (78.8 - 93.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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while no calys is max spatk

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it will still do like 60-80

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if you let it np up

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which can be easy to do with incin

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that thing hits hard

soft nexus
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origin pulse

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also the urshifu remember

tribal void
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but you'll have to lead urshiful

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thats the only problem

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adamant under rain might kill

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actually

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its like a 75% chance i think

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or smthing if tera water

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which replecates rain

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boost

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any anti miraidon tech u got

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cause

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you might be fucked against mirai

soft nexus
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archaludon

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Draco meteor

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flutter mane

tribal void
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flutter mane speed ties it

soft nexus
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then archaludon

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it can live a Tera electric choice specs discharge (i think)

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dragon move then Tera

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If they lock into a dragon move they are screwed against flutter mane

tribal void
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uh any thought for the iron hands or ursabm thats commonly placed with these teams

soft nexus
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sounds like trick room to me

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Fuck trick room; farigiraf is there to reverse it

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i also can’t use ursa bm

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because I don’t have it

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I got it from the quest thing

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then my stupid ass traded it to Larry

tribal void
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ursa is sometimes used with whimsicott on tailwind

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also

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you cant really cover for all of them

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so i recomend a mon that covers 2 or more mons

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on the team

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maybe replace flutter

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it just doesnt seem right on rain

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but if you want to keep it

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recomend using booster energy, specs, or sash

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sash would obviously have no bulk

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but the others might require heavy bulk investment

west glacier
west glacier
tribal void
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or does rain have a different multiplier compared to tera water's jump from 1.5 to 2x stab bonus

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cause i thought the rain's 1.5 boost would replicate the 2x boost from tera water

west glacier
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Seems to scale different

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252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow in Rain on a critical hit: 192-228 (109.7 - 130.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

tribal void
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oh i just realized

west glacier
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That is in rain no Tera

tribal void
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its 1.5 x1.5

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not 2x

west glacier
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252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow on a critical hit: 168-204 (96 - 116.5%) -- approx. OHKO

This is Tera no rain

tribal void
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which means its more

west glacier
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Good to know weather boost is stronger. Dont really care why.

tribal void
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its moreso it being multiplicative

west glacier
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Yeah

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Tera is 100*2

Rain is(if STAB) 100x1.5x1.5

plush pollen
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west glacier
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@plush pollen tornadus for Whimsicott

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Else im not in the Reg meta so cant help

west glacier
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Granted the guy wasnt really good but love when stuff just work without troubles

errant merlin
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wrong channel

tough sleet
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https://pokepast.es/a24d5cb591d0b85e

i feel like the team is good but ive been losing since i started playtesting. i'd like suggestions

i also have replays i can show if you're interested in watching the team

narrow dock
random wagon
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you can just run amoonguss instead of rilla here since rilla negates EQ damage

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from ursa

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and you might want to remove annihilape for smth else like gholdengo, bascu, etc

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since ape feels kinda random here

tribal void
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which is why whim is more popular on mirai teams

tribal void
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also having double intimidators is not worth it + hitmontop is too frail for an intimidator

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choose one or the other

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incin or hitmontop

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if you want a fighting type iron hands is a great option

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if you want wide guard, iron valiant is a niche option as well

tribal void
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greninja is just too frail and weak to justify using imo

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also dropping tailwind off corv can be considered since you already have whimsicott as a tailwind setter

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maybe slot on rillaboom if you dont want to get rid of corv

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to protect the team from common eq spam

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is there even a way to play reg g rn or are people just prepping teams for when it comes back?

tribal void
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tribal void
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any big flaws that could be pointed out?

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the only one i can think of is rain

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also i have fake out on sneasler

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only because theres nothing to click coaching on and fake out has a chance to be used when im using sneasler outside of terrain

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also ignore the tera ghost whim i changed that

tough sleet
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i might drop tailwind on corv tho i kinda figured that out

tribal void
soft nexus
soft nexus
tough sleet
tough sleet
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also i js really like greninja and greninja helped against weaknesses so i added him 😅

tribal void
brazen lodge
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i am still struggling on who should be on the last slot

west glacier
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u have Tailwind so

brazen lodge
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Hey that's a good point

tough sleet
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me when the king get faster

brazen lodge
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when the king gambits his speed

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i should check what i need to outspeed

narrow dock
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tribal void
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or A-ninetales

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you dont have to worry about dragapult cause that just drops to a sucker punch

soft nexus
tribal void
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That’s why eq does around the same damage as stomping tantrum on chomp if accounting for one target

soft nexus
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what if: neutral damage

tribal void
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Wdym

soft nexus
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neutral damage spread move

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Also having to trick and then protect takes too much setup

tribal void
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Like a spread move that does the listed amount of base damage?

soft nexus
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nah normal is good at hitting things for neutral

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That’s why hyper voice

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And it’s a spread move

tribal void
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hyper voice still will do less and if i need to click a spread move it will always be expanding force

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trick + protect is mostly not used

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its only really used if i need to trick

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thats why theres protect

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but overall the indeedee will mostly stay scarf'

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having a neutral hitting spread move doesn't matter when both are resisted by the same stuff besides psychics or darks

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which i would never try to fight with indeedee in the first place

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also expanding force in terrain will do more than hyper voice

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or close to it

soft nexus
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still, neutral damage is good

tribal void
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actually nvm

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its only neutral to dark

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compared to psychic

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but then there will never be more than 1 dark type on the field

soft nexus
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if you’re unhappy with that go dazzling or something

tribal void
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meaning tera blast will do more

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dazzling is too weak

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its a 80 base power move that is spread and non stab

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dazzling will almost be always outclassed by expanding force besides from archaludon

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shadow ball is the only other option

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its either shadow ball or tera blast for me

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since hyper voice is not worth it

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anyways indeedee m is not what im worried about anyways

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its moveset could come later

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but do you think there are any outstanding bad matchups for my team

soft nexus
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no quiver on volcarona?

tribal void
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this is a expiramental team mostly

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i have another team with quiver volc

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but on this team

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its tailwind

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with ursabm

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and honestly its doing pretty good

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i was intrigued by a few life orb volcs that were used on like the rilla sneasler balance teams

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and this works out pretty well

soft nexus
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some things might be weird

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Like no stomping on garchomp

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(It’s to bait flying types and then rock slide)

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and worry seed on amonguss (for ursaluna)

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the problem? My losses have spiked

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now I’m ranked 4747

tribal void
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besides from that

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a solid team

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also what i mean by talonflame being too frail for roost is that either talonflame dies or sticks around but doesnt take enough damage to roost off attacks

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or attacks do too much to talon straight up

dense bison
soft nexus
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what

tribal void
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ignore him

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hes trolling

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hes in a call with me rn

soft nexus
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jk

frail bay
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You're better off investing into bulk + damage.

frail bay
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🤣

soft nexus
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Amoonguss doesnt need trick room though?

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Kingambit is almost never used on trick room

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Primarina has that middling speed tier

sand minnow
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tribal void
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if you want a better ground

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chomp is very good along side a ground immune pokemon to spam eq

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dazzling gleam is also too weak on whim

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moonblast is a better option

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due to higher single target damage and has that 30% spatk drop chance

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or whatever the number is

soft nexus
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Also gliscor is better off running toxic orb poison heal

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Another thing is that sneasler has only one attacking move. Dire claw is what makes it so broken, (putting threatening mons to sleep sometimes). It especially needs it here, because this team is so weak to rillaboom.

wanton abyss
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Does whims get rain dance?

soft nexus
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I think so

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oh it doesn’t

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;-;

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just slot pelipper in or smth

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And then replace palafin with life orb swift swim basculegion

soft nexus
west glacier
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@sand minnow Gliscor for Pelipper, dire claw for rain damce on sneasler and you are good.

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Option to slot encore for protect on Whimsicott but only if u love encore. Protect is too good

west glacier
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With 204 Speed EVs u beat max speed sneasler in Tailwind(give it doesnt really matter cause he drops to a sucker punch too)

jolly jacinth
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Im new at VGC

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But I am participating in a local Reg H tournament

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And had an idea for a team with Milotic

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ive has a sub optimal win rate in showdown when using it

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so I wanted. to ask some advice on it

west glacier
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@jolly jacinth your EVs are mostly not good

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Imma work it over and send you my suggestion

jolly jacinth
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The EVs are very basic

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Theres not like

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“Specifically 100 evs to survive band basculegion wave crash”

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It was just min max

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Cause I just had the idea a few hours ago

west glacier
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So you wanna work on them yourself?

jolly jacinth
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I want some heads up in like

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What pokemon should I ev to survive

west glacier
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@jolly jacinth parting shot > prot on incin could be an option

jolly jacinth
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I know some top threats like Kingambit, Ghold and Ursaluna

jolly jacinth
west glacier
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To slow down the opponent

jolly jacinth
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I was thinking since my speedi tiers are middling

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I could have a tailwind setter when facing slower teams
And use trick room fari against super fast teams

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And maybe have fari with imprison in case I go against hard trick room teams

west glacier
jolly jacinth
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Which was KGB?

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My team struggles against most pelipper + archaludon rain teams

west glacier
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KinGamBit

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Basculegion, the Ape

jolly jacinth
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Although my glimmora can outspeed and one shot most pelipper variants

west glacier
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Expanding forcers

jolly jacinth
west glacier
west glacier
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Its in the name

jolly jacinth
jolly jacinth
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I was saying cause ape is a nightmare

west glacier
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Well u need to be able to counter psy spam, rain teams(Basculegion/Archaludon), Trickroom(Ursaluna Variants), BeatUp Rage fist combos, Tailwind Eruption/TR Eruption(not so common tbh)

jolly jacinth
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Do you think if I ev/change movesets

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My team can manage them?

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Or should I change members

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Or maybe even trash it for something new

west glacier
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Idk. Not that great with team compositions. Havent foind a great team that deals well with everything yet unfortunately

jolly jacinth
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Besides the parting shot incin

west glacier
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Meta seems extremely flexible so anything can work really.

jolly jacinth
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Any angles you see on the team?

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This team was made with the idea of a balanced core that shuts down incineroar

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And can deal with a variety of cores

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I have been playing it and have had a bit of trouble with rain, tailwind and sneasler cores

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But Im low ladder so most pelippers don’t have sash

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And I rarely play with high level players

west glacier
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If ur going to an reg H tournament that will vhange so you have to account for good sets

jolly jacinth
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It’s a local tournament

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Max 10 players

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Small town stuff lol

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We dont have a big scene

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Which means no one has any idea what anyone will bring

west glacier
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Tbf Incin isnt as popular as it used to be.Still broken tho.
Sneasler,Gholdengo,Incin and Dragonite have been the big deals at Sacramento

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The Bears are also dangerous

jolly jacinth
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Should I change amoonguss?

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Maybe slot in rillaboom?

west glacier
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No. Moongus is big

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Spor goes crazy.

jolly jacinth
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It does lol

west glacier
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Not happy abt ur Tera ans Item choice but I see why.
You could try und use sitrus on amoonguss and do an offensive girafe set with Throat spray.

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Urs can be ok too. Just for sure isn't optimal

jolly jacinth
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At that moment I decided I wanted Fari to be bulky

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Because deadass that shi was embarrassing

jolly jacinth
west glacier
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Amoonguss

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Water or Steel are better

west glacier
jolly jacinth
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I thought it was like

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80

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Because

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Well

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Sunflora

west glacier
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Anyway. I feel like the biggest issue is that your team neither is great in TR nor is it great in Tailwind

jolly jacinth
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I was thinking of adding disable to my Fari’s moveset

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To annul opposing trickroom setters

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And I can get around not being great in tr by disabling other TRs
If my opponent goes for tailwind I pull out TR

west glacier
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Makes you insanely reliant on farigiraf though

jolly jacinth
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That is true…

west glacier
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But is also formsure an argument to keep it bulky

jolly jacinth
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Any ideas?

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For the team?

west glacier
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Still a decent idea. Icy wind helps you against naturally faster teams

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I would fix EVs and then play a bit

jolly jacinth
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Im not hood at EVing sadle

west glacier
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See how it goes. Note why and how you lose and make changes to fix that

jolly jacinth
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Which EVs should I change

west glacier
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All

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Lol

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Lemme make one

jolly jacinth
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Ah damn

west glacier
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Not comfortable with Glimmora.

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Idk if it does enough dmg with +1 still have to do calcs

jolly jacinth
west glacier
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Rill, Dengo, Archaludon

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Everything but dengo works. Idk if dengo works imma know in 2 mins

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Mh

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So

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jolly jacinth
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The Ev spreads

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Lol

west glacier
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Best I can do. Sorry. Dont wanna wast hours on someone elses team. Glimm is complicated. You could probably drop all SpdDef for more dmg invest.

jolly jacinth
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Okok

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Thanks!

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Love ir

tribal void
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the team feels too ground weak

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incin, gambit, glimm

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all targets for the rare exca, or chomp

west glacier
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@jolly jacinth 3-0

jolly jacinth
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True*

west glacier
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@tribal void yeah but you also ahut them down with teras, milotic, intimidate

tribal void
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also sneasler fodder

west glacier
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Played an excadrill and it was pretty easy. Just led milotic

west glacier
tribal void
tribal void
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for kingambit

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but glimm sometimes wins

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depending on bulk

west glacier
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U have a lot if bulky mons. You can just switch arnd that. It works fine. Its not crazy good yeah. But it works pretty fine.

tribal void
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also why the aguav on gus

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wouldnt helmet be a better option?

west glacier
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@tribal void i was trying different items

tribal void
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ah

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mental herb, helmet covert(i feel like it has potential) or chilan berry could be considered

west glacier
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the EVs really only mattered on that paste. Rest is up to Jase.
Im just playing it on showdown a bit fir fun.

tribal void
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i think

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speed on incin and another item

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would make this team pretty good

west glacier
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@tribal void chilan?

tribal void
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the only problem(which will have to be only outplayed)

west glacier
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For ursaluna or?

tribal void
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cause ursa ohkos most of the time without intim

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its more like a plan b

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if incin goes down

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the problem with this team feels too defense heavy, with only glimm for offense, but glimm is also too weak with only 76 spatk

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gambit is also offense

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but more defensive leaning

west glacier
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Facade is 60%

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To.kill

tribal void
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for 156?

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or max

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cause last time i checked

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it was an ohko

west glacier
tribal void
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without intim

west glacier
tribal void
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wait

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im speaking gibberish

west glacier
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62.5% to be exact

tribal void
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to outplay

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glimm being weak

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or less offensive

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is only something

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you can play around

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not improve on

west glacier
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This glimm beats bulky Archaludon and not timid Gholdengo

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Also max attack max speed rilla boom

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And max hp max attack rillaboom

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Sneasler

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Is a bit of mind game arnd spikey shield

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Its like 1 ht EVs. Its probably not perfect

narrow dock
jolly jacinth
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Why loaded dice bullet seed?

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I get the idea

west glacier
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Idk why people are copying the Wolfey Weezing Toedscruel that he used like 6 months ago

jolly jacinth
west glacier
jolly jacinth
west glacier
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idk why people over hype dice

west glacier
jolly jacinth
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But casuals didn’t see the tourney

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They saw the vid

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Not everyone follows vgc like a hawk

west glacier
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its just like he said. Every idiot is using it.

west glacier
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except hero to zero every ability is actually pretty valuable.

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Hero to Zero especially but it still procs so it doesnt matter.

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I guess best way is to use Pelipper and dolphin.

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cause its pretty neat to activate drizzle after ur opponent by switching weezing out

narrow dock
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Ok then

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Help me finish this team

west glacier
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add dengo and rain

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basculegion, pelipper, gholdengo

west glacier
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Swift swim basculegion only really fears priority sucker punch

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Gholdengo in the rain is tanky and pelipper gives Tailwind and Rain

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Tera Water Bascu, Tera Steel Dengo, Tera Stellar Pelipper. Sash Pelipper, Metal Coat Dengo, Choice Band Basculegion

narrow dock
west glacier
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@narrow dock for what exactly are the defensive investments on sneasler, Basculegion

narrow dock
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To last longer

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U saying basc shouldn't have Def investment?

narrow dock
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@west glacier what ev spread should basc have

west glacier
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Nono. I'm asking why did you give these EVs? Its unusual for it yes. But def can be reasoned if it gives u a guranteed extra turn against a counter/meta threat.

U want to have Basculegion run max attack max speed to make sure it hits as hard as possible and to out speed everything, even a lot against Tailwind and also scarfed mons.

west glacier
west glacier
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Would probs be better on AV rillaboom

tribal void
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https://pokepast.es/9bdf0bb1768c5c24 is there anyway to slot on ghold onto this team because i feel like indeedee sneasler leads give me problem but i dont know what to replace with ghold

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tribal void
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i want to keep the original essence of the team

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so i have no idea what to drop for ghold

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or maybe a suggestion as to how to outplay these leads

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if you can't think of what to get rid of

random wagon
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oh my oh my smeargle

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my eyes

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tbh you might just wanna drop volc or blursa

west glacier
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@random wagon dropping volc=nothing for dragons, dropping Ursaluna=archaludon just hard claps

random wagon
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ghold checks arch?

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and also resists dragons

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especially dnite

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you can also just use gleam

west glacier
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Idk. Then probs drop ursa. Volc is a little more flexible

stiff cosmos
wanton abyss
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use a different Garganacl, maybe this one has bad vibes

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I think Porygon2 could do well in this slot

stiff cosmos
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What for?

wanton abyss
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trick room, general bulk, flexibility

tribal void
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but volc does sometimes clutch up

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but not as much as blursa

errant merlin
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i feel like burn is more important than damage

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for physical attackers

tribal void
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bulwark doesnt block status

errant merlin
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?

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dire claw is your only other semi-reliable status unless im missing something

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oh wait you mean

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nvm

tribal void
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status moves

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spore

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taunt

errant merlin
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yeah lol

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i was thinking of the enemy team not the smeargle

tribal void
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i also dont want the enemy to be burned

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cause spore spam

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one time i had 3, +2 speed boosts in a row on smeargle once

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and just spammed spore

errant merlin
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oh

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well gamble away

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i hate these teams lol

tribal void
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it isnt really gambling for moody most of the time

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even speed drops can be helpful

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its mostly just decorate spam

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with some support

errant merlin
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i meant more the sneasler

narrow dock
drifting onyxBOT
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New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tribal void
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nothing else

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no para

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no poison

random wagon
tribal void
drifting onyxBOT
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New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tribal void
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even with ghold

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throat chop sneasler always screws me over

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feels like i need a really good read to beat the lead

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esp since bursa only has a 50% chance to ohko sneasler with ep with the psychic seed boost

soft nexus
tribal void
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It’s for the time that I bring sneaker out of terrain

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It works sometimes

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I’m still doubting whether to keep it or to go with throat chop

random wagon
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Have you considered running some cool tech on sneaslee to beat opposing sneasler?

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You can go 4 attacks woth cc, dire, acro, and chop

jovial creek
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or when you use it

tribal void
jovial creek
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use that

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and sneasler

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not sneasler

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smeargle

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follow me+make it rain

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and have your sneasler in the back

tribal void
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Make it rain is far too weak

jovial creek
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not with life orb

tribal void
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Cause spdef boost from psychic seed

jovial creek
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it should still do most

tribal void
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It’s against throat chop to unburden sneasler indeedee leads

jovial creek
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and then you can finish them off with your sneasler

tribal void
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+2 make it rain life orb only has a 75% chance to ohko

jovial creek
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you don't need +2

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your CC should do about half

fringe scarab
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https://pokepast.es/d636e0a78a6d8b15 I’m kind of new to VGC but want to use a Pokémon I like that isn’t like a top threat (Snorlax). I’ve played a few games but 1: I kind of get destroyed by any rain team and 2: I never use Kingambit and rarely sneasler. I’m open to any suggestions (except getting rid of Snorlax)

soft nexus
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and you have psychic seed

tribal void
soft nexus
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Then why have psychic seed?

tribal void
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Most of the time I do take it with terrain

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But the few times I don’t

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Is where I use fake out

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I also made sure it was plenty fast even with seed inactivated

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I’m don’t want to rely on terrain all the time in order to bring sneasler

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Even being practically ability less and item less it’s still very good

soft nexus
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yeah but what if: kingambit

tribal void
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Wdym gambit ain’t doing shit to sneasler

soft nexus
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what if kingambit and you lead indeedee

tribal void
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The other team leads kingambit?

soft nexus
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yup

tribal void
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I never lead indeedee without sneasler

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But I will lead sneasler without indeedee

random wagon
# fringe scarab https://pokepast.es/d636e0a78a6d8b15 I’m kind of new to VGC but want to use a Po...

Here we go:

  1. Snorlax would be better as Ursaluna, but you don’t HAVE to change if you don’t want to. It overall does more damage with better bulk, except for the chip damage from Flame Orb.

  2. Swords Dance Kingambit would probably be better than Assault Vest Kingambit here, outputs more pressure, and a set with sucker punch, kowtow kleave, swords dance, and protect would be nice, holding black glasses and tera dark

  3. Snorlax’s nature should be changed from Serious to Adamant or Brave for more damage.

  4. Tera Fairy on Incineroar would be better as Tera Ghost, does better into Fighting-types, specifically Sneasler.

  5. Sneasler should be holding Focus Sash, just works better there. After that, you can run Poison Touch and a Jolly Nature. You can even consider Coaching over Fake Out, up to you.

  6. Tera Poison/Steel Primarina is probably better here, Water provides really nothing besides damage.

tribal void
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Sometimes

soft nexus
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what if they lead a mon that’s weak to fake out

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or that you need to stop

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like a tailwind setter

tribal void
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Whim is stopped by unburden sneasler

soft nexus
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Prankster.

tribal void
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Sure it’ll get tailwind off

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But

soft nexus
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they still get tailwind

tribal void
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I have a unburden boost

soft nexus
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meanwhile, with fake out you can reliably stop it

tribal void
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But if I don’t lead indeedee sneasler

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I’m have my own tailwind

soft nexus
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anyways the point is

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you should remove fake out

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it just won’t work

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like what if you have a Pokémon that’s low

tribal void
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I’m not leading sneasler with psychic terrain always

soft nexus
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and they’re staring down rillaboom

tribal void
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Sometimes indeedee is useless

soft nexus
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well just remove fake out

tribal void
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Why

soft nexus
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because

fringe scarab
soft nexus
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psychic terrain

tribal void
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I just said fake out is used when not paired with indeedee

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And when I see team preview

soft nexus
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what if you pair it with indeedee

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there you only have 3 moves

tribal void
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Then I won’t click it

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The only thing I could possibly want added

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Is throat chop

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And that’s still situational

soft nexus
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you have volc

tribal void
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I dropped volc for expiramenting with ghold

soft nexus
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what about a physical Pokémon

random wagon
soft nexus
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then you could spam coaching on it

tribal void
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They don’t really fit though is the problem

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Chomp has no flying type to pair with for eq spam

soft nexus
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Tera flying sneasler

tribal void
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Gambit doesn’t help my bad matchup with indeedee sneasler

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I’m just looking for a way to patch up the indeedee sneasler lead matchup

soft nexus
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with garchomp

tribal void
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Chomp dies wdym

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cc + expanding force kills

soft nexus
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hey don’t you have sneasler indeedee

tribal void
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And expanding force kills sneasler while killing chomp

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I do

soft nexus
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what if: you do some games and lead with them

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and see what you die against

tribal void
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But the problem is the opponent leading

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For my team

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Not for other teams

soft nexus
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well you will be the opponent

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see what you die against

fringe scarab
soft nexus
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and then you could copy it

tribal void
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I actually haven’t lost a game with lead indeedee sneasler yet

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Mostly because of some luck

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But

soft nexus
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keep leading it

tribal void
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For the most part nothing deals with it

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Huh maybe you are onto something

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Just keep leading it

west glacier
fringe scarab
west glacier
drifting onyxBOT
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New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

west glacier
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Also scyther

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@fringe scarab

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Disc lagged or sth

fringe scarab
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Ohhhhh It’s a new Snorlax team

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Hold on let me go make it then try it out

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Also Scyther

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Also @west glacier I should probably ask now, tips on how to play the team properly?

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Also also thank you

jovial creek
west glacier
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Lead for snorlax is Indeede Snorlax. Belly drum + follow me if there is no dangerous spread move.
The just start koing with snorlax(custap gives him prio turn 2) + set up TR to keep out speeding.
Have in the back whatever fits.
If the opponents are heavy anti TR or have a better TR team(Ursaluna beats lax). Work with sun mode to out speed turn 1 with after you and the following turns with torkoal in TR

west glacier
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U cant fully rely on Trick Room

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Imprison, other Trick room reverser, Taunt can shut u down.

west glacier
fringe scarab
west glacier
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Psychic Terrain + Expanding Force users

fringe scarab
fringe scarab
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Sorry if these are dumb questions

west glacier
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I feel like I prefer Snorlax with high horsepower cause else archaludon is super hard to deal with. But Snirlax and Torkoal for Archaludon

fringe scarab
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Ok last question for now, against Peliper/Archaldon would it be better to use the indeedee snorlax trick room or the sun team?

fringe scarab
west glacier
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TR with Torkoal, Snorlax and a 4th depending on bavk up

fringe scarab
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Ok thank you @west glacier

west glacier
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Against full rain id say scyther(with tera)

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Can beat all rain mons but archaludon

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Archaludon is the hardest match up imo

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Ursaluna is solved by reversing TR and leaving snorlax behind

fringe scarab
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Got it.

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Thank you

west glacier
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Its not an easy team but fun cause u got a few rare mons.

fringe scarab
narrow dock
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What's the best Tera Type for swift swim basculegion

random wagon
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water

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but grass is alright

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and some have been using things like tera fighting tera blast

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although thats more scarf adaptability sets

narrow dock
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Ok

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Also where can I get an ability patch

desert lion
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Or do what I do and surprise trade

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I’ve gotten 2

open magnet
narrow dock
desert lion
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I sold one

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I have one left

desert lion
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Guys

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I need a 6th Pokemon

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I have
Lucario (sweeper) (fighting core)
Garganacl (wall) (Hazard setter)
toxtricity (wall breaker)
Bronzong (Psychic core)
Murkrow ( Hazard control) (Dark Core)

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This is for 2v2

tribal void
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2v2 dont need hazards

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its too fast paced

desert lion
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Oh

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Well

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Umm

tribal void
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and you dont really need wall breakers

desert lion
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For 1v1s then

tribal void
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idk

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since i play ou

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i cant tell you whats good in like some teams like this

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ill have to see

desert lion
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Ok

tribal void
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priority

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something fast

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nothing on that team is remotely fast

desert lion
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Any recommendations for 6th Pokemon

tribal void
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something fast

desert lion
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That why my murkrow was gonna have tailwind

tribal void
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tailwind has essentially 3 turns of use

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since the first turn wastes the first turn

desert lion
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Something like Jolteon?

tribal void
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and the second turn is wasted by switching out

desert lion
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Or Taichung

tribal void
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jolt

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meowscarada

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weavile

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pult, a scarf mon

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like ghold

desert lion
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I had

tribal void
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noivern if you like niche mons

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greninja

desert lion
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Golduck for cloud nine

tribal void
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loads of fast mons to choose from

desert lion
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But nvm that

tribal void
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also you shouldnt be asking this here

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this is a vgc rates channel

desert lion
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What does that mean

tribal void
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rating teams for the offical vgc 4v4 doubles format

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which is bring 6 pick 4

desert lion
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Ah

jovial creek
soft nexus
unreal arch
tranquil nova
jovial creek
west glacier
west glacier
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As far as I know there should be channels for each Meta game. One thread OU singkes related or Ubers or VGC(this one) and so on

west glacier
west glacier
# tranquil nova I'm just getting back into a lil vgc after a long time of no pokemon, can someon...

Is thus for solos? Why do you run a moonlight Ursaluna? Healing moves arent good on mons that are not made to be insanely bulky cause u can just get doubled up and drop even with healing.
Rather go Protect. It will deny damage taken instead if healing it essentially making it more valuable.
You can play someone like Amoonguss or Sinistcha, they get moves that heal their partner and they are pretty tanky.

tranquil nova
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thanks anyway though

west glacier
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@tranquil nova bro reg G is in showdown still Lmao

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Reg H will be relevant for VGC until January 6th

tribal void
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i see so many reg g teams

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but theres no reg g ladder up

brazen lodge
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it used to be there like a week ago its gone now 💀

random wagon
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reg g is officialy returing in january

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but people had enough of reg h

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and i think ladder us going up soon for g

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and h will still be up ofc

brazen lodge
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finally ill be able to use the reg g team i made

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and completely forgor about

west glacier
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wait

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NOO

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nvm

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im lost

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G will be 1 restricted right?

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idk which one I wanna use

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zama, ice/shadow rider, Groudon and shit I wanna playem all

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I want to go to Birmingham but Idk what team to use man

tribal void
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i feel like groudon stocks will be up

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since mirai is going to be popular

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kyogre stocks down as well

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shadow rider stocks will also go up

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cause it eats up non av dons

west glacier
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yeah idk if I want AV or clear amulet

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but dunno. wake will probably have to go

past harbor
tribal void
tribal void
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also tornadus is worse than whimsicott as a tailwind user in sun i believe

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just because

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it stops tornadus from clicking rain dance

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also isnt booster flutter bad in sun

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cause sun already activates proto

west glacier
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yeah change the set without swapping item

tribal void
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sash if you want survivability in the sun

west glacier
west glacier
west glacier
past harbor
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Lemme see what fairy types are there…

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Whimsicott is weak to flame anyways

tribal void
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if you want a grass type that threatens water types

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hearthflame

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or rillaboom

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boom actually isnt half bad in sun

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since hurricane becomes 50% accuratwe

west glacier
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calm down lol

tribal void
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calys is practically a fairy atp with how much it tera fairies

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also

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flutter mane, the rare zacian, actually scrap that basically just flutter

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i feel like flutter will be popular tho

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cause mirai

west glacier
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shadow

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or what is calys?

random wagon
west glacier
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like

random wagon
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My beloved

west glacier
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grammatically correct would be calies

random wagon
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:((

west glacier
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zacian is cool

random wagon
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calys is calyrex-shadow

west glacier
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but zamatenta is cuter

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and better

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Zamazenta-Crowned @ Rusted Shield
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Tera Type: Fighting

  • Body Press
  • Heavy Slam
  • Iron Defense
  • Protect
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prolly just this for zama

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but what is good with her?

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Honestly

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anyone wanna help maybe figure sth out to make Kyurem work?

tribal void
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like

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not bad, bad

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but like

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mid bad

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double restricted you will never catch me not using her tho

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zacian kyogre

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zacian calys(cause i feel evil but incin would probably destroy this)

random wagon
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Zacian in single restricted is actually kinda underestimated. Good? Not really, but it can put in work

tribal void
#

you need to put in a lot of work to get rid of incin

random wagon
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Not really

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It gets a lot of cool tech

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Also urshifu

tribal void
#

tbf i am a lot better than i was when reg g first came out

random wagon
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Incin is definitely scary but things like sacred sword and tera ground blast hit hard inti it

tribal void
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so maybe i just sucked

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sacred sword ignores the opponents stat drops tho

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not your own

random wagon
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Ik

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It still hits hard though

tribal void
#

wisp is the main issue i find

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since the main taunt users have prankster

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screw the prankster nerf

random wagon
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Redirection is common with zacian for that reason, specifically with tera dark

tribal void
#

clefairy?

random wagon
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Amoonguss

tribal void
#

ah

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but safety goggles no?

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unless sitrus is now more common than goggles in reg g

random wagon
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Also ogerpon-h

thorny aurora
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this is good?

tribal void
#

grimmsnarl doesnt fare well with the hyper offensive nature of tailwind

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screens usually leans towards slower team comps

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take the grimmsnarl out imo

thorny aurora
tribal void
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its fine

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being beginner

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only thing i can think of rn(im not really thinking hard but) is having no dozo check or answer

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dozo is rare

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but if you do encounter it

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it might be lights out if you dont have ghold

finite drum
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https://pokepast.es/7409381da82a1342 i’ve been trying to make a serperior team cause its my friends favorite pokemon and like i still don’t understand how evs should be distributed on certain mons and like all the ones i’ve attempted to find online kinda weren’t really all that informative and all that junk

drifting onyxBOT
#

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

finite drum
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i originally went with a focus sash serperior with max speed and special attack but my friend said i should go with with a defensive set cause serperior wants to stick around

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also i dont know what to do with rillaboom

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ev wise

jovial creek
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serperior is pretty hard to build around since its not very good into this metagame, id recommend trying to find a team online

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for evs you can try finding some online

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but generally you want to boost mons in the roles that they accomplish

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so for an offensive mon you probably want offensive evs

tribal void
finite drum
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yeah

tribal void
#

serp rather have a defensive tera like fire that it can still use offensively with tera blast

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if you were to use serp

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also

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serp is so naturally weak

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even with +2 from leaf storm

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its weak asf

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so have some spatk investment

finite drum
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thank you

tribal void
#

but like not a lot, but just some

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it needs to survive one hit if you do use wide lens

finite drum
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i originally went with a fast offensive serp

wanton abyss
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generally you want to EV around picking up certain 2hkos or ohkos at +2

finite drum
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my friend said to use it defensively

tribal void
#

dont

finite drum
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okay

tribal void
#

it has no defensive value

wanton abyss
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and you always want to outrun garchomp. a-tales maybe as well but that requires almost max speed timid

tribal void
#

besides glare, which is only because it has a fast glare

wanton abyss
#

serp has good bulk but it is not a wall

finite drum
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so if i were to not run zoom lens what would i run

wanton abyss
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miracle seed, sash, life orb, etc

tribal void
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life orb is a bit iffy imo

finite drum
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ima try sash

tribal void
#

since serp doesnt have the best survivability anyways and dies to many moves

finite drum
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cause as long as it isn’t doubled it can get like 2 glares off or something

wanton abyss
#

serperior should be used with a redirector anyways

finite drum
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or 2 leaf storms

wanton abyss
#

aim to live a +1 heat wave from volc or smthng

tribal void
#

thats a lot of bulk

finite drum
tribal void
#

maybe like live a neutral draco from arch or smthing?

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or +1 pulse

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cause anything supereffective just means your going to die with serp

finite drum
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yeah

tribal void
#

"usually"

finite drum
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thanks

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this is what i got

IMG_4607.png
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should probably invest in more special defense

west glacier
#

holy shit is serperior bad

finite drum
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i dont think so

west glacier
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his stats are really bad. attack is horrendous. speed is solid but It cant use it well. Only use full status is glare und it really also is not bulky.

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Dont get me wrong, Have fun playing him when u want. It just has bad stats.

finite drum
#

i mean yeah

finite drum
west glacier
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do u want to keep AV aka defensive?

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you can also play him as a nuker

#

Rillaboom (M) @ Miracle Seed
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Atk / 12 Def / 4 SpD / 124 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Fake Out
  • Grassy Glide
  • Wood Hammer
  • High Horsepower@finite drum
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Agro boy

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AV Pivot-Rillaboom (Rillaboom) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 180 HP / 116 Atk / 12 Def / 92 SpD / 108 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Wood Hammer
  • Grassy Glide
  • U-turn
  • Fake Out
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One poss AV set

finite drum
#

thanks gang

west glacier
#

You can always check the Smogon website also for possible sets.

finite drum
#

yeah that site just confuses me 😭

west glacier
#

They dont always have sets for the role you are looking for but it gives you ideas on how to play it and which EV spreads make you life or kill certain things.

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My rillabooms have a lot of Speed investment

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As I do not have notes on them cause I dont main the teams they are in idk why.

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but there was a reason

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You can just invest these into defensive stats instead if u dont want to be faster than special threats

finite drum
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alright

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thank you for your help

#

i really didnt know what to do with rillaboom tbh

jovial creek
west glacier
#

@finite drum same for me man. I love team building.

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I just make teams that I never get to play sometimes

finite drum
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thats why i like pokemon

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i like building teams and seeing them work

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or least some kd them work

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my switch doesnt work rn but it just made me realize how showdown was just the thing i like about pokemon but like a million times easier

tribal void
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i love teambuilding

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the one time it has worked is smeargle

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cause its smeargle with decorate

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no one expects it in reg h

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and since theres not a lot of taunts, its basically free real estate

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my volc koraidon team in reg g worked for a while as well

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before miraidon won the first regional

narrow dock
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I need help

#

What happens if you go Tera stellar and use weather ball-f and then the next turn, weather ball becomes water? Do you get the boost for the water or lose it after weather ball-f

finite drum
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i think the boost would count as one boost for one move

thorny aurora
finite drum
soft nexus
#

you could also add glide to serperior

finite drum
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i have it there to set up grassy terrain for power boosted grass moves

soft nexus
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most teams only run one grass type

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because they don’t synergize well

thorny aurora
soft nexus