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[distant stump]

I would personally take this much more defensively, replace Indeede + Urshifu + Crown for like, idk Grimsnarl + Iron Jugulis and Incineroar or something

and replace Kingdra with Scarf Urshifu-R

[narrow dock]

Ya, I just copied the incin from my trick Room team. I'll change it

https://pokepast.es/c17bc5fa151346ad hows this

[keen escarp]

I would definitely run Protect on Farig, and run atleast some speed on Inci to hit 180

in tailwind

[plush bluff]

is this the team of Tang Shiliang

[oak ocean]

hi! new to competitive teambuilding, interested in getting some feedback on this team
https://pokepast.es/7b43b9296d1ab548

[jovial creek]

you can probably go non tera ground on farigiraf since you don't have any electric type partners

[oak ocean]

true, what would you suggest then? grass would be nice for anti-spore but I already have the calyrex-i grass tera. not sure if that matters too much since it'd be defensive anyways

[jovial creek]

probably fairy

its a good defensive typing

[distant stump]

Ya based of of that, you dont need so many dark types probably

[distant stump]

Switch pelippers item to rocky helmet or something

and maybe like sitrus or smh on amoonguss

[oak ocean]

oo, thank you, i didnt realize i still had it on sash. copied it from another team

would there be a benefit to having rocky helmet on pelipper over rocky helmet on amoonguss? And putting smt like damp rock on peli instead

[minor haven]

One time I played against a dude running Tera Ice Blizzard Kyogre with Sash Tornadus setting snow

[jovial creek]

Damp rock isn't very good because VGC games don't tend to last that long

I'm not sure why choruto said to switch sash but that is pretty up to preference

[oak ocean]

ouu okay, thx

[fluid lintel]

What should I switch about this team

(Should I switch Electabuzz or palafin to ursuluna based on niche usages and how the team could work)

[minor haven]

For the love of God, switch Palafin out for Urshifu rapid

[fluid lintel]

positive?

[minor haven]

Yes

Even if Palafin was permanently in Hero form Urshifu is just better

[fluid lintel]

I tried it before and he never worked well because of the amount of scummy psyshock users

[minor haven]

Surging Strikes, dual stab, Unseen Fist are all very stupid

[fluid lintel]

k

[minor haven]

You have Chi-Yu for that

[fluid lintel]

depends on the situation but yea

I guess

what is the best build for it

choice scarf or bulk

[minor haven]

Rain boosted Tera Water Surging Strikes is going to kill basically anything that doesn't resist water

[minor haven]

Scarf

[fluid lintel]

k

what ecs

what evs

not putting 252 though because I need some sort of way to live above 50percent on a prediction

For speed

I mean

[minor haven]

You need 252 speed and a lot of attack. If you feel it necessary you can also invest a little bit in special defense, I've seen people do that

Also if I were you I'd look into experimenting putting a Pokémon or two on Tera ground in case you ever need to click consecutive Discharges. Not totally required tho

[fluid lintel]

I had Electabuzz for that + rain dance

[minor haven]

Wait does it get Motor Drive?

[fluid lintel]

I mean rain dance isn't necessary

no

it gets static and follow ke

me

[minor haven]

It kinda is tbh. You need a way to boost your water type and turn off opponent weather conditions

[fluid lintel]

K

any other changes

I only use gothitelle and scream tail if I see a stall team

actually I'm gonna jus test ut

[wild sinew]

Perish Trap is unfortunately not good right now

NAIC winning team: 3 Pivot moves + Urshifu
NAIC Finalist: Ghost type, Urshifu, multiple Tera Ghost
NAIC 3rd place: Caly S + 3 pivot moves + Urshifu
NAIC 4th place: Miraidon + Urshifu Dark
NAIC 5th place: Urshifu in rain
NAIC 6th place: 3 pivot moves + Urshifu
NAIC 7th place: 2 pivot moves, Urshifu Dark, Ditto
NAIC 8th place: Tornadus + a pivot move

Urshifus are the biggest problem because you can't protect through Perish Turns, and it gets especially dire with a high damage restricted

[fluid lintel]

that's gotta be annoying

I switched my team

idk what the last 2 should be

testing life orb and choice scarf

[fluid lintel]

(should I put safety goggles on iron jungulis and run an offensive farigiraf?)

[thorny obsidian]

This team good?

[jovial creek]

is that victory road?

yeah that 6 has seen results before

[thorny obsidian]

ok I gotta go make said team now which might take a while

[minor haven]

Wouldn't Fire Ogerpon be preferable over Chandelure or does it have a specific function?

[jovial creek]

Chandelure does stuff

[lost phoenix]

Chandelure hard walls koraidon

[minor haven]

Ok fair enough

Isn't there something else that can do it tho?

[lost phoenix]

Ceruledge can but requires much better speed control so they didnt use it

But its prob interchangeable

[minor haven]

Ceruledge has higher speed tho?

[jovial creek]

chandelure is

good into zama mirrors

walls koriadon

I think it sets tr?

[minor haven]

Yup it sets Trick Room indeed

I think I can see the vision now

[digital fiber]

Didn't that team win in something?

Anywho, it has really good physical specifical split. Countera for both Calys, I think it's pretty sweet.

Pokepaste?

[static basin]

Miraidon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Hadron Engine
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA
Modest Nature

• Discharge
• Volt Switch
• Draco Meteor
• Electro Drift

Incineroar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 68 Atk / 28 Def / 160 SpD
Careful Nature

• Fake Out
• U-turn
• Knock Off
• Flare Blitz

Farigiraf @ Electric Seed
Ability: Armor Tail
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 1 HP
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Helping Hand
• Tera Blast
• Trick Room
• Foul Play

Whimsicott @ Focus Sash
Ability: Prankster
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 1 HP
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Tailwind
• Encore
• Protect

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon @ Life Orb
Ability: Mind's Eye
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 1 HP
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hyper Voice
• Earth Power
• Protect
• Blood Moon

Ogerpon-Cornerstone @ Cornerstone Mask
Ability: Sturdy
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 1 HP

• Ivy Cudgel
• Power Whip
• Follow Me
• Spiky Shield

Need some assistance with EV's would anyone mind assisting me? (or showing me the right place to ask/ find out. I am a bit new sorry)

[jovial creek]

do you know what a pokepaste is

and EV's can be found here https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc/

[static basin]

Thank you

[languid thorn]

I would replace ogerpon with ditto, the team is overall weak with special walls imo. Ditto would improve the win condition

Otherwise standard evs from Rajan et al would work

[static basin]

Thank you!!

[jovial creek]

ogerpon is fine

I don't really see what ditto helps into

[languid thorn]

what role would you imagine ogerpon be doing?

[jovial creek]

lets farig get up trick room

can let miriadon get attacks off

[languid thorn]

Wont trick room hurt miraidon?

Also, far can survive a tera eletric volt switch on electric terrain, by miraidon

Ditto utility allows you to switch in for incin, take their restricted etc

granted, it requires more prediction

[jovial creek]

you have blood moon

[languid thorn]

Miraidon imo is the primary win condition here, blood moon would be fast enough under tailwind anyway, and my understanding of why BM ursa was chosen was to have ground +intim immune

[jovial creek]

You have multiple win cons already

I don't see why adding ditto is required

Cornerstone is an established part of miriadon comps

[wild sinew]

A lot of teams also use Tailwind so you really want a way to take them on, especially Calyrex-S stuff

[keen lichen]

I need advice on making my team. I want to make a VGC centered around Bulk Up Rage Fist Annihilape. So far I have amoongus for healing and support and Incineroar for support. But I’m having trouble deciding what my legendary should be. Any help would be appreciated

[languid thorn]

as i said, you lose to special walls, and more notably bulky grass types.

adding a stone/grass type doesnt help

who started this trend of adding ogerpon anyway? no wonder all the rajan lookalikes on the ladder are using ogerpon

ok i see, its Rajan himself lmao

[blissful zephyr]

Dialga

https://pokepast.es/4971b5f0f361eb54

[drifting onyx]

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[spark salmon]

https://pokepast.es/d7934fd10dabb0a9

[blissful zephyr]

My sun team is better💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿

[spark salmon]

Honestly, Idk why I have Triple Axel on Tsar while I have a Sun Team

[blissful zephyr]

You did that for l coverage reasons, but honestly, she should not be on the sun team she should be on the rain team

[spark salmon]

I only put her on the team for blocking priority moves

[blissful zephyr]

Use Farigiraf

[spark salmon]

That would just make it a TR Team at that point

[blissful zephyr]

True but she just seems out of place

[spark salmon]

Wait..actually a Sun TR combo goes kinda hard imo

[blissful zephyr]

Why so?

[spark salmon]

I can basically outspeed with Trick Room while also having mons that benefit from TR and Sun, aka, majority of my team

But then again, I have 2 Paradox mons that are really fast

And I don't think they would benefit from TR

[blissful zephyr]

What if u just don’t run Trick room

[spark salmon]

..fair

[blissful zephyr]

And just Farigiraf as support team with helping hand

Or go with offensive version, and put throat spray on it

[spark salmon]

I have too many offensive mons, so ill go support

Wait..can I go Mixed?(Support and Offense)

[blissful zephyr]

I mean yeah u could

Throat spray helping hand build is not bad idea

https://pokepast.es/5d199d4d2ee0e214

Something like that

Calculations are gonna be very hard

To do something that’s going to get your damage, but also be able to take an enough hits

Is hard to do

[spark salmon]

https://pokepast.es/dcea1346617dea5f

I did something like this

Tho looking back on it, this feels more offensive

[blissful zephyr]

Gets the job done a defense of Tara fairy

[blissful zephyr]

https://pokepast.es/4971b5f0f361eb54

[jovial creek]

Isn't bad. I'd say go Life Orb 3 attacks on Wake

[blissful zephyr]

Choice specs with the speed boost is scary tho

[jovial creek]

But with Life Orb you can switch moves

And you dont lose too much power

Incoming essay

Then you could go specs flutter over torn

Since groudon doesn't really need tailwind

[blissful zephyr]

Calyrex-Shadow kills it

[jovial creek]

Wdym

You have umbreon

That's your main tool into that matchup

[blissful zephyr]

True

True but then again I would have kick a mon for flutter

[keen escarp]

Interesting take on Sun. A few changes I would recommend:

• Tera Water/Poison > Tera Fairy on Umbreon: Better typing for Umbreon's purpose, Water is very good into Calyrex-I and Urshifu-R, as well as Zacian. Meanwhile, Poison can resist Fighting-STAB moves and Fairy attacks.

• Safety Goggles > Leftovers on Umbreon: You have Moonlight for recovery, and you need Goggles to better handle Calyrex-I Rain team which would otherwise obliterate sun compositions. Goggles also lets you instantly pressure Amoonguss + Calyrex-S + Inci/Rilla compositions.

• Get rid of SpA on Umbreon, invest it in bulk. Also, I would consider Yawn > Snarl, as team is rather offensive in nature it doesn't necessarily require Snarl. Yawn has more immediate pressure.

• Life Orb > Choice Specs on Walking Wake: Wake is a threat because of it's flexible move choice boosted in Sun. You don't want to lock it away. It still gets the required KO. You also need Protect because Wake can be frail.

• Flutter Mane/Raging Bolt > Tornadus (can be tested). The team isn't a fast paced team, and Tailwind wouldn't benefit much. The Protosynth monsters are VERY strong.

• You are wasting 4 EV's on Rillaboom. Make it 4 SpD and 4 Spe. You are also wasting EV's on Umbreon, but like I mentioned before, get rid of SpA EV's.

• Run more bulk on Groudon and an Adamant Nature. Heat Crash picks up KO's.

Hope this helps, Good Luck!

[blissful zephyr]

I like it I take some it to mind

Every talking about flutter who kicking off the team for flutter

[keen escarp]

You kinda need the Rillaboom to handle Mirai

I would test Flutter over Tornadus first, and over Ogerpon

[jovial creek]

nah keep snarl on umbreon

also stealing my wake idea 💢

[blissful zephyr]

Lol is good idea

I need torndaus to keep the sun up verus kygro

[keen escarp]

You can keep Snarl, but uhh, Yawn is simply too good against Calyrex formes

[blissful zephyr]

Foul play versus ice

Snarl for ghost

[keen escarp]

Snarl is not helping vs Nasty Plot Calyrex-S

They set up over your debuff's very rapidly

imo

[blissful zephyr]

Snarl does 50 percent on the ghost one

[fluid lintel]

give annihilape weakness policy then one shot every ghost type with priority

[keen escarp]

Yeah, but they ain't staying in Ghost type against an Umbreon

Most of them goes Tera Fairy

[blissful zephyr]

So your saying I need a steel type then

[jovial creek]

if you force them to setup then anything else can attack

drop taunt fr

[keen escarp]

tbh, test it over taunt or snarl

See how it works out for you

This must be one of those things that has to be decided by testing lol

[jovial creek]

test the team as is and if you aren't clicking taunt or snarl then replace

[keen escarp]

^

Also iPet, I only mentioned LO again to elaborate!!

smh

[blissful zephyr]

TESTING ok got it

[jovial creek]

I said almost all the same stuf smh my head

for wake

[keen escarp]

(I didn't notice much, k?!)

[blissful zephyr]

Agree with u too lol

[lost phoenix]

I like the idea of umbre in sun tbh im gonna build korai goth with umbre

Thx for the idea 🙏🏽

[jovial creek]

cooking

add chi yu fr

[lost phoenix]

Raging bolt and flutter are guaranteed slots im not sure about the last slot tho

Maybe just go with speed control

[blissful zephyr]

Anytime

[keen escarp]

Could do eweb bolt and icy wind flutter. Or even try Grimmsnarl

With Groudon, I would try going for a bulky approach

Farig also works with the semi TR option, ig

[lost phoenix]

Im doing korai goth

Not groudon

[keen escarp]

oh, then go for Whimsi

[fluid lintel]

koraidon and gothitelle?

[keen escarp]

Yes, it's good

[fluid lintel]

to lock bad match ups or

[keen escarp]

One of sun's major weakness is Pelipper and Rain Dance Torn/Kyogre

With Goth, you can lock them out or force them in and neutralize them

[lost phoenix]

Goth stops volatile korai checks from switching in and out

[fluid lintel]

I was thinking that

[lost phoenix]

Also has taunt for rain donce torn

[keen escarp]

And fast Taunt also prevents Inci from switching out

Goth + Chi Yu is also a strong lead

[fluid lintel]

do you always save your tera for goth then

[keen escarp]

Nah

You have FO and very offensive partners

[fluid lintel]

oh ok

but what if gothitelle is threatened while a koraidon threat is locked

[spark salmon]

https://pokepast.es/c9a4debceefeff5d

Updated my team from Yesterday, thoughts?

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[jovial creek]

are you trying to use typhlosion

go gleam over taunt/icy wind

protect somewhere on farig (probably over gleam)

[spark salmon]

Wait rewind:

1. Yes I'm planning on using Typhlosion
2. You just said get gleam over Taunt/Icy Wind, then immediately after said to replace it..so what do I do?..

[jovial creek]

first on flutter second on farig

go gleam on flutter and no gleam on farig

[spark salmon]

Ah

But I already have M Blast for Flutter

[jovial creek]

gleam gives you a spread option

[spark salmon]

Well im trying to play around some wide guard shenanigans as well with Flutter, hence that moveset

Cause you don't know what people can do in VGC

Cause I played a Wide Guard Mienshao my first practice match on showdown(with past team) and they had Dark Ursh, Heart Oger, Mienshao and idr the 4th

But I won't degrade from your plan

https://pokepast.es/38b6a29e1ed4bf8d

[copper brook]

IMO if you use Groudon, pair it with rillaboom

It helps control Miraidon and Kyogre

Bolt is good for that too but i like rillaboom for fake out and pivot

[blissful zephyr]

https://pokepast.es/a8ab3e3be41181dd

New team build

[blissful zephyr]

WE BEEN MAKING SUN TEAMS ALL DAY LOL

[spark salmon]

I know..

Well technically not all day..

[blissful zephyr]

I spend most of my day testing

[spark salmon]

Testing what?

[blissful zephyr]

My team

[jovial creek]

Go magnet tera electric raging bolt since you can't run AV

It has crazy calcs

[blissful zephyr]

Bettt

[flat ice]

Hello, this is my first VGC team and I just sorta used pikalytics and stuff to build this so can someone give me some reccomendations on how I can improve this team https://pokepast.es/f80e293d905cffd6

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[jovial creek]

Team is good. Probably make Iron Hands Tera Water or Grass

[flat ice]

ok, i think i forgot to set tera

[distant stump]

Personally

I would not run

252/252 timid ursaluna

with Iron Hands

go for a slow variant

[jovial creek]

Fair

[flat ice]

ok makes sense

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon @ Life Orb
Level: 50
Ability: Mind's Eye
EVs: 252 HP / 196 SpA / 60 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
Tera Type: Normal
Quiet Nature

• Blood Moon
• Earth Power
• Hyper Voice
• Protect

does this work

[distant stump]

Ya probably

[blissful zephyr]

YALL I need help making trick room team

[jovial creek]

Caly I amoonguss raging bolt incin peli+1

[blissful zephyr]

Dialga-Origin seems like fun choose

[eager crag]

https://pokepast.es/be360d0b5ad0f905

Main premise of the team: Make Storm Drain Tatsugiri as good as possible

A-Lad-in a Cloud: Always goes first. Sets up tailwind and if opponent sets up a different weather, set it back to rain

Groudon Stupid: Rain + potential to sweep

Suicusaurus: Offence + Buffs Tatsugiri with Surf

SUPREMACY: The star of the show. Meant to steamroll everything with either Boosted Muddy Water or Dragon Pulse

Donbozo: Mostly meant to mess throw off opponents by thinking I would use Commander when I'm actually using Storm Drain, tho it can be helpfull against teams with trick room

Filet-o-Fish: ...honestly I might replace him since I rarely use him. He was meant for coverage but it's kinda irrelevant when Kyogre, Walking Wake, and Tatsugiri steamroll everything

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[distant stump]

But why 😭

is this intended for bo1 or bo3?

[eager crag]

Bo1

[distant stump]

Okay

I would personally axe dondozo

its just kinda useless, ur never gonna bring it

if you dont have commander

then also you have like 4 water types!

[eager crag]

Yeah the 4 water types was something I felt was bad, which was the reason I had Chi Yu, but I never brought it since Kyogre, Wake, and Tatsu destroyed so much

[distant stump]

thats a lot of overlapping

roles?

I would remove wake and dondozo personally, replace them for like

landorus rillaboom or something idk

[eager crag]

Dondozo maybe

But the main gimmick for Wake is having it Surf Tatsu and buff it's special attack

so he is a must stay

[distant stump]

run t-fire on chi yu and use over heat, tornadus should go covert cloak

[distant stump]

Its just not worth it though

you already have kyogre with specs thats fine enough

walking wake has not so much synergy with the rest of the team, and running a mon just to boost tatsugiri by +1 and do some chip on opponents isen't rly worth

over coverage from like lando

maybe run surf on kyogre I guess

if ur commited to the gimmick

[eager crag]

I thought about having Kyogre surf but the problem with that is it's slower than scarf Tatsu (and I use scarf since it almost guarentees that I outspeed anything that is 1) Not Proto Speed Flutter or something, 2) another scarfed mon, and 3) Shadow Calyrex, assuming tailwind isn't up for either of us, or it's up for both of us) and I want it faster so that Tatsu can get the full effect of it's buffs

Plus, usually, Kyogre is the first to die since people see it as the biggest threat, so they would try to play around it, while Walking Wake and Tatsu are seen as too big of a threat, so they wouldn't try play around it and assume they can roll over it with whatever and not realize how dangerous they are until it is too late

Basically, this team is meant to mess with people's head since while it looks like a bad team, it's because it is meant to look bad. Most people think the threat is Kyogre and Tailwind while the real threat come from Wake and Tatsu. Plus Wake does good damage on it's own as well so even if Tatsu gets killed, Wake can still do very well.

I will say however, this team has one MASSIVE weakness that is pretty hard to go around, especally if Tornadus dies: Wide Guard since it shutsdown basically everything (it also has a weaknesses to Rilaboom and water Ogrepon but I can play around them pretty easily). Also, this team is practically useless in Open Team Sheets but I like closed more anyways. This team isn't fully meant to be competitive (tho it can kick butt), it's mostly a team I have fun with, and I just want to improve upon the gimmick I've created (being surf with Wake and Destroy with Tatsu)

Also I just love Tasugiri and Walking Wake so That's why they are the main part of this team

[distant stump]

Hmmm

Can you afford removing Kyogre for somehting?

[eager crag]

I mean I could since reallyhe just sets up rain and does major damage before the real threat shows up

[distant stump]

If not

Yeah

You might be better off with like

could go koraidon or groudon tbh

and add bolt in the dondozo slot

or add CSR and go full hyper offense

[eager crag]

what is CSR?

oh nevermind

Calyrex

yeah I might go with Calyrex since before Kyogre was legal, I just used Tornadus to set up rain anyways. And I def don't want Groudon or Koridon since it would hurt my team more than help since water doesn't pair well with the sun.

and the whole point is to make surf and muddy water very strong to sweep up everything, which the sun will make it hard to do

[distant stump]

I mean if u add bolt it would only hurt tatsugiri

I guess

but if u want to center it around tatsu then dont

[languid thorn]

Personally i think tatsu is too frail as your wincon, especially since you dont have psychic terrain protection

Grassy glide exists

[blissful zephyr]

https://pokepast.es/64501f84d4b85e91

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[eager crag]

That is definitely a weakness in my team but it is also pretty easy to play around since they usually just bring it in at the start to kill Kyogre, so I can do big damage with Tornadus on Rilaboom

[languid thorn]

I guess? Thunderclap is also thing yanno

I just feel like rain teams really got shafted this reg

Might as well do a surging strike from urshifu under sun instead

[eager crag]

Raging Bolt usually goes after Walking Wake and it is risky using it in general because of... well dragon types

And Rain has definitely taken a hit becuase of Koraidon, but that's a reason I use rain, to fight off against Koraidon.

[languid thorn]

Im trying it out but its feels quite bad tbrh

[eager crag]

Open teams or closed, cuz if it is open, then this team is basically useless cuz one of the major points is that it trick people since most people don't think of storm drain tatsu

[languid thorn]

closed, simply because tatsu dies to everything

Im contrasting it vs a good team like https://pokepast.es/b6c6fb823ae550cd

Where you can just pick mirai+whim and ursa+ditto every game and you still have a positive win rate

[jovial creek]

I don't think indeedee is good here. It has 0 synergy with the rest of the team other than being a follow me bot and it shuts off incin's fake out.

If you want to block priority then farigiraf is an option

Also leftovers amoonguss isn't very good, Rocky Helmet is more consistent and Regenerator is a better source of healing.

[blissful zephyr]

Alright

[blissful zephyr]

Cresselia???

[peak wraith]

This is a team I'm currently testing, I'm pretty new but I'm hoping to be able to actually compete in vgc someday
https://pokepast.es/ddbc7e2cabbe74bf

[jovial creek]

The current VGC format allows you to use one restricted Pokémon that is stronger than a normal one.

And most of those sets aren't very standard

[twilit hound]

Ursaluna is not supposed to be Terra ground

[blissful zephyr]

Hands needs clear amulet

[blissful zephyr]

It won’t work now that’s not great team or maybe I don’t see the vision give me the play by play what’s the goal of the team

Delphox not good mon

[dusky fiber]

So its my first time ever building a competitive team, i got 5 Mons i feel good about, but i dont know what i should add as a 6th to help the team the most. I dont care if its not like, a tournament level team, i mostly just want to find a way to make it function well. https://pokepast.es/0ba1953c04065917

[jovial creek]

Go protect over helping hand on farigiraf and choose a defensive tera(I'd recommend fairy) Ting Lu's set isnt very consistent so I'd say change that.

[blissful zephyr]

Heavy duty boots needs to go

[rancid phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/99574ed14ad8b67a

Best team oat

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[spark salmon]

Which team should I use? knowing you guys you're probably gonna choose Team 2

https://pokepast.es/ef01e89f578e0684

https://pokepast.es/9ac3a723e1cd1e15

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[jovial creek]

are those not the same team but with chi yu over typhlosion

but team 2

chi yu in sun hits crazy hard

[spark salmon]

no surprise there..

[jovial creek]

and id say go trick room over helping hand on farig

[wild sinew]

If you're gonna ask for competitive advice you're going to be suggested the best Pokemon yeah

[spark salmon]

I'm not doing trick room tho..

Just Sun

[keen escarp]

The team would benefit from TR

[spark salmon]

Well if that's the case, why not go with the Typhlosion team?

[keen escarp]

I would also run Icy Wind on Flutter > Taunt

And you could try Imprison TR to handle opposing TR teams

Denying TR is harder as their TR setter (CalyI or Lunala) can just straight up attack and OHKO flutter while you Taunt, or they can Tera and tank the Fire spam to set up TR

Flutter is a high value mon which would should preserve imo

[keen escarp]

Chi-Yu compliments the Flutter + Bolt composition

And it's dark typing is strong against Tera'd opps

I would also recommend running Helping Hand > Swords Dance on Groudon

[spark salmon]

So..Farigiraf getting Helping Hand is terrible, but Groudon getting it is okay?..

Again, Groudon, the literal base of the Team, should be getting Helping Hand

[agile fable]

It’s not that it’s terrible it just doesn’t make a lot of sense on this farigiraf set

[spark salmon]

But it makes sense for Groudon...

[agile fable]

Hey I didn’t say that lol but I’d be interested in hearing the reasoning

[keen escarp]

Groudon provides sun for flutter and chi, which combined with helping hand can hit for targeted strikes

You will be bringing groudon to more matchups than Farig

3. Groudon doesn't really require SD

[lost phoenix]

groudon rather usually doesnt have the time to sd

due to its weaknesses and how common kyogre and peli are

[keen escarp]

4. Moveslots are kinda crunched on farig to afford a slot for HH. TR can be a game changing move, literally

In this team*

I would also get rid of either psychic or HV on Farig and run a bulk set with maybe goggles

And maybe run volt switch on Bolt to pivot into Sun, which can be quite handy vs Pelippers

[agile fable]

yea TR or TR Imprision are just way to impactful on Farig thats why I jus typically Dazzling Gleam for chip and just straight bulk and support

[spark salmon]

Not accusing/assuming anything, but your making me feel like my team is dog shit

[jovial creek]

you are running offensive farigiraf so you want to either set up for a sweep or be attacking

[blissful zephyr]

No
One said that

https://pokepast.es/ddd64e07501b378e

Any changes tell me

[spark salmon]

No like, based on how many changes are basically needed, it feel like you're saying that I'm bad at Team Building

[blissful zephyr]

U could be THATS ok

That’s why everyone is here to get better

[spark salmon]

Also..idk how but I have Chi Yu registered in my dex, but i don't have it in my box

[blissful zephyr]

U can trade for one

[spark salmon]

I usually try and get one myself if you mean to use it for my VGC Team

[blissful zephyr]

Me too

[spark salmon]

Oh..

[jovial creek]

Change rilla tera and protect over ewebs on bolt

[spark salmon]

This any better?.. https://pokepast.es/879a729c6707f6bf

Also should I keep Throat Spray on Farig or give it Sitrus?

[blissful zephyr]

252 in Hp? On choice scarf

[spark salmon]

Look, im using Pikalytics to help with my team making/sets

So most of this is on that site

[blissful zephyr]

U only run 252 Hp on choice specs

And that’s maybe

[spark salmon]

Then what would you suggest?

[jovial creek]

Take the smogon dex sets

[spark salmon]

...I genuinely forgot that thig existed

https://pokepast.es/4e376d4c1e495986

[blissful zephyr]

NOW THATS GOOD TEAm

[spark salmon]

Really?..

[blissful zephyr]

Yes

[keen escarp]

Every team goes through many changes during optimization. These are very minor changes

[spark salmon]

So..I can start creating my team in game now?

[spark salmon]

Think this is good enough to start creating?

[peak wraith]

got a concept team, the description explains poliwrath https://pokepast.es/d5d003f1b9f241b3

[digital fiber]

Remember: No team is unbeatable, they all have a weak spot. Some just less than others.

[distant trellis]

https://pokepast.es/68b5eba8e60bc84f came up with this a couple days ago it seems relatively solid? I'm just not too sure on a couple sets

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[north tree]

Luna can you let me warm up on this <3?

[wild sinew]

For the record we are currently in Regulation G, which allows restricted legendaries

Sure

[keen escarp]

Rip my essay

[north tree]

• Kyogre with mystic water sets generally tend to run protect. Have it over thunder as both opulse and water spout are essential and the coverage gained from ice beam tends to outweigh that of thunder.

• Tornadus over thundurus. Taunt and speed control are still options, and even better due to tailwind's superiority over thunder wave. Focus blast and electric coverage aren't as necessary to be honest, you would much rather have rain dance taunt tailwind bleakwind torn for the sun matchup.

• Tera grass clefairy. Take advantage of the rain's fire dampening powers to use an amoonguss immune tera. Steel also works.

• If focus blast is for a specific target, run sacred sword on chien pao to hit that mon over crunch, Crunch however, is a fine move thought throat chop tends to be more common as incineroar switchins lose parting shot access and you can shut down ursaluna bloodmoon in certain situations.

• Life dew clefairy is not the best, you do not heal gholdengo thanks to good as gold so perhaps sing is a better option, or icy wind for further speed control.

@keen escarp rmrmt (rate my rate my team)

[distant trellis]

Hmm ok, although the point was to build around a thundurus rain core

I liked the idea of spreading para coupled with wildbolt storm under rain

It's just that coverage wise I'm a bit lost

I was considering knock but that's more a utility thing not a damaging move if I don't have any attack investment

I'll do the other suggestions though, but I'd rather try and keep thunderus so how do you think I can exploit it better so it's not just outclassed by torn

[keen escarp]

Gj on the essay

[distant stump]

The best use for thundurus is prankster eerie impulse and t-wave, use taunt eeire impulse twave wild bolt

It’s type is also good

Why it’s been only played with zama, I would go much more defensive if u want to keep the rain idea

Lean into kyogre being defensively strong

[distant trellis]

I see

ty

[spark salmon]

https://pokepast.es/96c5cf5b2c71b90a

Im looking back at my Sun+Trick Room Team and I genuinely don't see how these mons benefit from Trick Room except Farig, Groudon and R Bolt

[keen escarp]

You kinda need Trick Room if you intend to use Imprison to shut down opposing ones

And Farig + Groudon + Bolt is solid as a TR mode vs faster teams against which you cannot normally compete in speed

Flexibility is always good

[spark salmon]

But everything else seems to be speed invested

Flutter, Oger and Chi Yu

[keen escarp]

A nice example would be Rajan's Indianapolis regional winning team

[keen escarp]

Farig had TR, max speed timid blood moon is still relatively slow compared to rest of the format, so it gives flexibility to switch modes

You can run TR even if a lot of your Pokemon are fast, because having the option itself is good against faster (tailwind) teams

@valid mesa you are here oO

[dusky fiber]

In doubles Reg G, what item works best for Galarian Slowking. I’m using it mostly as a special tank support

[sterile cedar]

https://pokepast.es/71f13e8c00a28e12 taking some inspiration with the raichu + zama core wolfey did. modified with manual rain oger, and specs flutter for some more offensive presence

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[blissful zephyr]

https://pokepast.es/363f08c0d8f647ff

[drifting onyx]

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[blissful zephyr]

It’s great team I most likely add a dragon on the team

[jovial creek]

I think electabuzz isn't very good there. Its mainly used on Trick Room teams, I'd recommend using another mon to help into Dark types since your calyrex can't touch them

and then leftovers on calyrex should probably be some damage boosting item

[blissful zephyr]

It’s bulk calyrex and that’s gallade

[jovial creek]

wdym

right now calyrex is trying to be offensive and a setup sweeper at the same time

[blissful zephyr]

That’s what it’s trying do with calm mind

[wild sinew]

Team doesn't really suit it that way
Calm Mind Calyrex is better with Draining Kiss on a balance composition to get more set up opportunities and to sweep even if they have a Dark-type (they always do)

[blissful zephyr]

Fairy Tera and draining kiss ok

Any more ideas

[jovial creek]

If you go tera fairy kiss then you should change the rest of the team to fit that

[keen escarp]

Some issues I found with the team:

• Opposing Calyrex formes can really hurt you. Nasty Plot sets and Calyrex-I in TR can run through the team.

• Snarl, which isn't uncommon, neutralizes your SpA buffs

Some changes I would recommend:

• Mienshao > Electabuzz: You get access to Wide Guard, Feint, etc. And is a solid answer to dark-types.

• Amoonguss/Clefairy > Gallade: Gallade is rather slow for the team, you won't get much opportunity to use it. Clefairy or Amoonguss is a strong redirection option.

*Covert Cloak > Leftovers on Calyrex-S: This is to counter Snarl spam or other secondary effect based debuff. Very good with calm mind sets. Also run Tera Fairy and maybe Psyshock/Draining Kiss.

Alternatively, if you want a more offense oriented approach, you can run Life Orb on Calyrex-S, add a Chi Yu or a Tailwind setter like Whimsi and work with that

Though I feel the team's very frail other than the redirectors

[blissful zephyr]

Fixed the team

https://pokepast.es/5f694e30c314dc58

[clever imp]

https://pokepast.es/e6b83720c21577e8 Should I add anythinh else on this team

[drifting onyx]

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[jovial creek]

Thunder Kyogre with Raichu is anti synergy, Its probably fine but thats something to know

[clever imp]

hmmm

[jovial creek]

If you are struggling with Fake Out leads then adding Farigiraf over Raichu might be good

[clever imp]

hm

Should farigiraf be like offesneive??

https://pokepast.es/172239872549fb45 what about this icy wind

[jovial creek]

probably defensive since I could see a trick room mode working there

[clever imp]

But what about torn

[jovial creek]

What about it

[valid mesa]

Wait until you see who started the thread

[keen escarp]

;-;

[ancient herald]

https://pokepast.es/a0c52992885653bc

need some help, i've been running this prankster tail wind helping hand team to support my groudon against the new popular miraidon teams but running into a few problems being Wide Guard/Trick Room and Kyogre

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[jovial creek]

typhlosion is not good

walking wake wants protect over roar

and tera fire

[ancient herald]

used to have cresselia as a 6th slot with trick room/lunar blessing, icy wind and dazz gleam but removed it bc I din't think it helped

[jovial creek]

clear amulet is better than wide lens on groudon, run tera fire with heat crash over thunder punch

parting shot>uturn on incin

knock off>protect

[ancient herald]

was running wide lens to land precipe blades more often

[jovial creek]

last 2 are up to you

[jovial creek]

clear amulet is more consistent into intimidate

since incineroar is everywhere

[ancient herald]

any tips on who to choose over Typhlo and a 6th?

[jovial creek]

flutter mane is really strong on sun teams

and then you could go AV raging bolt

[ancient herald]

i'll try it out for a few games thx

[fathom token]

https://pokepast.es/7da07391cb964d54

(Read notes pls)

[flat ice]

https://pokepast.es/bb24f8598880b524 Can someone please rate this Koraidon team and give some feedback

[jovial creek]

Looks good, maybe life orb/magnet over leftovers on raging bolt

[blissful zephyr]

https://pokepast.es/dd422478bfd0114a

[drifting onyx]

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[blissful zephyr]

I REALLY LIKE THIS TEAM

[keen escarp]

I would suggest Iron Jugulis > Salamence

And AV Kyogre

Right now, you have a big weakness to Tailwind + Miraidon

[blissful zephyr]

I do i keep on losing to him

[keen escarp]

What exactly does registeel contribute here? An answer to Calyrex-I?

Honestly, I would get rid of Flutter and Salamence, and add Scarf Landorus maybe, and Tornadus

[blissful zephyr]

It’s fairy and dragon and steel core registeel kills calyrex ice and and any dark type with body press

[blissful zephyr]

Ok throw the core away gotchu

[keen escarp]

Scarf Lando in Prankster Tailwind does great into Miraidon

[blissful zephyr]

Good point earth power does kill it with one shot

https://pokepast.es/4ac37f8723543187

New team

[keen escarp]

I would run Scarf Lando, since Whimsi + Mirai still give you big trouble

And you can go for like, taunt Urshifu-R and AV Kyogre

Would also run Tera Water or Tera Grass on Urshifu

[blissful zephyr]

Taunt urshifu-R is something I never seen before

[keen escarp]

It's a thing

[fathom token]

Thanks

[blissful zephyr]

Really neat

[fathom token]

Why did my team got forgotten behind these last messages tho 😭

[blissful zephyr]

Cause your team was great already

[fathom token]

Oh

But it needs to be told by a competitive helper

[blissful zephyr]

True

[fathom token]

[plush bluff]

https://pokepast.es/2415cccccb1f4083 what should I change to counter against caly-i and lunalas

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/a1fcec509ca5cff8 hows this team

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/be0da5b904c8ffac anyway to make my ursaluna b slower? if i use room service then i lose out on damage against bigger threats that ko me like Caly ice or groudon

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[distant stump]

Dozogiri is kinda just bad

In general unfortunately

Your best bet I think is go full offensive and replace maybe ogerpon bundle with chien nite

[distant stump]

You can probably win games with this

On miraidon teams electric seed farigiraff is kinda just better than tsareena, it’s bulkier and sticks on the field longer, and tr is nice with hands and to deny opposing ones

Iron bundle is also kinda just bad

It’s not that offensive but u could get a lot better value with something else

[distant stump]

You don’t have a restricted

This would be way better with caly I over flutter and Ursaluna b

[dense nebula]

i never really use flutter so i could replace it for caly

[plush bluff]

@distant stump Is this much etter? https://pokepast.es/dade1b7b19a97157

[narrow dock]

@distant stump what about this https://pokepast.es/98b1394e77f97d99

[distant stump]

Oh I mean do that if u stick with dozo LOL

[distant stump]

Yeah

I still don’t like bundle but that’s fine

[plush bluff]

Ohh but I'll lose the fire grass water core though

[distant stump]

Fire water grass doesent matter really

It’s a treat if u get it but it’s kinda irrelevant as most teams have a lot of coverage

[narrow dock]

I have bundle to take care of ground and electric

A life Orb, terrain boosted ground-tblast will ohko miraidon

[plush bluff]

Ohhh I can see the difference now against caly-s and lunala thank you

[lost phoenix]

Other waters ices grasses are just better than bundle

[distant stump]

It just doesent do enough damage

To be worth

[lost phoenix]

Cornerstone ogerpon is a common choice, u can probably run like scarf urshifu or smth as well

[distant stump]

And you already have speed control

Cornerstone, chi yu, urshifu, other stuff I can’t remember

[distant stump]

Yeah good luck

[lost phoenix]

Ive used pao and bax before and both have been better than bundle

Esp since bundle manages to lose to rillaboom

[plush bluff]

Also should I replace bundle or no?

[distant stump]

I personally would

[plush bluff]

With who should I replace with? Urshifu-r?

[keen escarp]

You could maybe try whimsi, since you struggle against opposing whimsi/Mirai. Iron Hands is also a nice option

Whimsi/Mirai/Chi Yu is strong

[fathom token]

https://pokepast.es/c02381c3c4dd28e9

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/51a42fa79b528c63 replaced Ogerpon with Amoongus. works great

[drifting onyx]

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[past harbor]

Hey uhhhhhh this is my first time building in vgc, can somebody help me fix up the ev spreads? Most here are placeholders. The team focuses on using the sheer power of life orb calyrex-shadow to sweep with the help of chi-yu, so if you can, please keep that, unless life orb caly is unviable.

https://pokepast.es/660f9d0c9274e00f

[keen escarp]

I assume you meant Trick Room on Farig and not Trick?

[past harbor]

Yeah

I really wanna have a brainless team where I can just click the funny button but still be viable

But miraidon teams keep running into that monke

So I went for caly

[keen escarp]

I would recommend running bulkier Caly-S with spell tag

And maybe goggles on farig or urshifu, and scarf ChiYu

[past harbor]

Ok… idk how bulky but is it fine if you can fix some stuff up and send over the paste?

Scarf chi yu ah

[languid thorn]

mirai-whim-ursa-ditto, ditto for the monkey

[past harbor]

How is ditto gonna fix the monke problem?

[languid thorn]

what i do is always volt switch into monke, then ditto u turn the monkey

[past harbor]

That’s kinda specific

[languid thorn]

yes, because the monke is a hard counter

im effed if they run protect but usually they dont

[past harbor]

How much experience do you have in vgc to give me such advice?

[languid thorn]

i mean, you're looking to play for fun

[past harbor]

No my guy

I’m a competitive player, winning is what matters here

[languid thorn]

if you want to appeal to authority, then go ping wolfey lmao

[languid thorn]

comp players usually have a team of their own..?

[past harbor]

I don’t care about using my favorites so much, what I care rn is really just viability

Comp players play different formats

[languid thorn]

i dont really understand what you mean

[past harbor]

I might be new to vgc but I’ve had experience in many singles tiers before

[languid thorn]

its still vgc

singles exp usually dont translate to doubles imo

[past harbor]

Some concepts are still the same

Anyways

[languid thorn]

which concepts are you thinking of?

[past harbor]

We can talk elsewhere

Like in comp general

[languid thorn]

sure

[plush bluff]

https://pokepast.es/62895b3dc3b68763

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[plush bluff]

Changes I should make for lunala?

[austere wasp]

Calm mind set would be good

[wild sinew]

You might be interested in these if not Miraidon
https://pokepast.es/fa5a7635e95db8dd
https://pokepast.es/323729afa848d65e

[keen escarp]

Luna, just why

Why must you entertain Scarf Ape

[wild sinew]

I think Calm Mind Lunala with Moonblast is better here, you don't actually have anything to exploit Trick Room.

Same issue with Farigiraf on this team, blocking Fake Out cycling is nice but your primary wincon is immune to Fake Out. I'd look into Pelipper which is also strong against the Fake out cycling balance while supporting your team better.

There is a lot that can go in the Raichu slot tbh, but with Rillaboom and Lunala you really do not need a hard Miraidon answer, if it's so scary you can switch to AV Rillaboom and pivot better than Miraidon. You'll probably want your last Pokemon to support Lunala or help against Terapagos

[wild sinew]

They want to click funny buttons

[past harbor]

Shadow claw ape 🔥

[wild sinew]

Yeah since you're Scarf

[past harbor]

Me when I don’t have EV spreads

[drifting onyx]

VGC (Gen 9)

• Viability Rankings
• Metagame Discussion Thread
• C&C Reservation Thread
• VGCPastes Repository
• Discord
• Pokémon Showdown! Room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[wild sinew]

Dex page at the bottom

[past harbor]

Ah thanks

[plush bluff]

https://pokepast.es/1dcf885d751a55d7 this should be much okay?

[wild sinew]

Looks good

[past harbor]

Nvm TR isn’t my style

Let’s see the caly one

The shadow one

[vital ibex]

Beginner team buildorrr. Any help is appreciated

[sleek laurel]

My VGC knowledge is a little limited but I might be able to give some advice at least, double check with a rather thk

Personally, I think Trick Room teams might want at least 1 or 2 more abusers or semi abusers

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon over Landorus seems pretty good here to do similar stuff with Trick Room up and have overall better damage output, and (optionally) Amoonguss over Ogerpon gives you a slower redirector which can also heal you and give sleep, but Rage Powder is worse than Follow Me so idk

[jovial creek]

I think you can drop flutter lando and pon for like amoonguss bm raging bolt

[sleek laurel]

Ok I got 2 out of 3

👍

[jovial creek]

And make caly tera grass

[sleek laurel]

Oh yeah I didn't see that either

Water is viable but its the worst tera out of the three imo

Idk what you think @fallen valley

Bruh

@jovial creek

(Sorry Ludi i mispinged lmao)

[jovial creek]

Spore immune is so good

[sleek laurel]

Yeah I usually run grass because it does everything water does except like, resist flare blitz

But it gives the spore immunity

Helps Kyogre's matchup anyway

And beats most forms of redirection esp with Glacial Lance

[jovial creek]

And miriadon

[sleek laurel]

Oh yeah that too

Also since you're here can I ask you something

https://pokepast.es/45f52bc372112340

Love this team but barely ever used Flutter

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[sleek laurel]

...bruh

I just meant to

Okay ykw nevermind at least use this to rate the guy's team above

But anyway

Ive used urshifu a decent amount of times but barely used Flutter, considering changing it

[jovial creek]

Raging bolt?

[sleek laurel]

Back my bad

Didn't think of that, pretty genius if you ask me

Normal ev spread?

Also which set lol

[jovial creek]

either

[sand minnow]

Can someone teach me how to put together a team?

[keen escarp]

Won't be able to rate today as I'm out of town

[wild sinew]

3 attacks preferably

[normal escarp]

I can try

I’m not that good but I kinda understand team comp

Lugia @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Multiscale
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Recover
• Aeroblast
• Earth Power

Sableye @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature

• Taunt
• Reflect
• Fake Out
• Light Screen

Incineroar (M) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Will-O-Wisp
• Taunt
• Fake Out
• Knock Off

Raichu @ Focus Sash
Ability: Lightning Rod
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Nuzzle
• Fake Out
• Encore
• Protect

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech
• Spiky Shield
• Follow Me

Toxapex (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Infestation
• Toxic
• Recover
• Stockpile

Rate this team

[languid thorn]

Sableye is strictly outclassed by grimmi, no?

Dont understand where damage is going to come from

[wanton abyss]

As a Screens setter, I tend to agree. Sableye can distinguish itself with some of its other status moves, and this team doesn’t make use of those moves. I agree; this team doesn’t put out nearly enough damage, and since it seems to be built in a way that implies longer games, it doesn’t have some of the hallmark Pokémon that help VGC games go longer—namely, Amoonguss. Toxic is not a solid strategy in doubles, and has very niche uses in toxic spikes and Glimmora. The team comp itself is interesting, I think this is the only way to use Lugia at a high level, but I think scrapping everything but Waterpon, Incin, and Lugia would be a start @normal escarp

[languid thorn]

That being said, i just got cheesed by the psych up lugia with lugia, alolan muk, smeargle and the gen 9 flamigo

[fathom token]

https://pokepast.es/b9aec8686d6ee993

[drifting onyx]

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[fathom token]

What if Calyrex-I was used outside of trick room
With 196 EVs in speed and tailwind, even caly can outspeed a 252 Spe miraidon

[jovial creek]

Calyrex-I kinda needs tr

all of the pokemon that you would want to outspeed run tailwind

[fathom token]

People don't really lead with Tailwind anymore, at least in this reg, that's why I do so here
And in the case they do, I always have icy wind flutter on my back

[wild sinew]

You could but that would be with Trick Room and Protect on Caly-I

Because the pokemon is so slow, Tailwind definitely won't help you keep up with opposing speed control
Having Trick Room as another gameplan is good.

[fathom token]

Oh as a choice? I didn't think about that one, I like it

So should this team be good to go then?
https://pokepast.es/ae4c8a119a5b0ac6
I also changed the Chi-Yu cuz I didn't like how it looked

[keen escarp]

I'm curious about the Koraidon matchup

I would also run choice scarf Tera ground chi yu, to get the jump on Miraidon

If you intend to use CalyI in Tailwind, I would suggest going all out on speed to outspeed Timid CalyS in Tailwind (It can do that iirc, on my phone so can't check)

Not sure how to feel about Hitmontop, can it atleast survive Draining Kiss from Tera Fairy CalyS?

[sand minnow]

I need some advice on a team that has been doing good but recently ran into a Calyrex shadow problem paired with a grimmsnarl honestly probably could have won if paralysis wasn’t hitting me every turn but regardless wanted to get some thoughts on this team if possible and some notes on what could be improved

https://pokepast.es/a622d0a0cbc8b796

[jovial creek]

you are missing a restricted pokemon

and just a good pokemon in general

most of those mons are not very good

[sand minnow]

Damn tell me how you really feel

[minor haven]

Yeah this team is rough...

Only ones worth keeping are Grimmsnarl and Moltres

Also how the hell are you running two sashes?

[jovial creek]

Grim and moltres are good on different archetypes, everything else is very bad

[sand minnow]

I was being sarcastic but damn

[minor haven]

Look into using sample teams so you can get a feel for the meta before trying to build a team yourself. It's not as easy as it looks.

[jovial creek]

Mb lmao

[sand minnow]

For sure cause this team was more so thrown together im just getting into the meta itself by watching a lot of videos and battles

It’s had success though against eternatus and kyreum

So props for that I guess

[minor haven]

Judging by the lack of a restricted and outdated mons you weren't even looking at videos for the current reg so

lmao

[sand minnow]

And I suppose you’re the expert then?

[minor haven]

Well not THE expert, there are people more qualified than me, but I can answer most things relatively confidently

[sand minnow]

Again I was being sarcastic

[minor haven]

Yeah I suck at social cues, being online doesn't help

[sand minnow]

Eh true online is more so text 😅

But what would make this team great cause I like the Moltres build but I feel like a pivot would help balance the team so others could switch in

[minor haven]

Ok first off on Moltres itself, take off the boots. Hazards aren't prevalent in VGC, like at all

The only hazard you're realistically going to run into is toxic spikes from Glimmora and Moltres is already naturally immune to them anyway

If you want a mon for pivoting, go with Rillaboom, and then going from there you'll wanna go with Zama for your restricted.

[sand minnow]

Makes sense

I like the sound of that

I have a rillaboom in game but transferring sucks due to home destroying my movesets

Zama I’ve been dying to use

[minor haven]

Zama hasn't gotten any moveset nerfs in Gen 9. That aspect actually got buffed to compensate for the stat/ability nerfs.

Rilla hasn't gotten any nerfs directly to it afaik so you should be good, but the normal moveset it used to use still applies. Fake Out, Grassy Glide, Wood Hammer, U-Turn

[sand minnow]

For sure

[languid thorn]

https://pokepast.es/c37c4bb5c05c2c7c not sure about the sixth slot

[drifting onyx]

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[languid thorn]

Eternatus and kyurem are at the bottom of the pile atm

[keen escarp]

Raging Bolt seems nice. Also a few points for the team if you want

[languid thorn]

Yeah sure

[keen escarp]

• Clear Amulet > Choice Scarf on Koraidon: Intimidate can really nerf it. Run Flame Charge to compensate for Speed.
• Chi-Yu > Iron Moth: Far more powerful, and boosts Flutter and Bolt. You can run Choice Scarf Tera Ground set
• Do you really want to keep Gastrodon and Rhyperior?

[languid thorn]

Thanks, gastrodon is for the kyogre matchup, was thinking of rhyperior for miraidon, but its a dubious pick

[wild sinew]

Raging Bolt kind of goobs Kyo well enough

Better than Gastrodon at least

[keen escarp]

goobs

[fathom token]

Sure, I can remove Overheat for Tera blast
Does this tera ground tera blast OHKO tera fire koraidon?

DAMN

Caly-I just barely outspeeds on tailwind Timid 252 spe caly-S, shadow rider's total speed would be 222

New ev spread it is

Oh trust my boi, it can even survive a full HP kyogre water spout if needed

Look at thaaaat
Top ate his veggies, he's just fineee

He even survives when Caly's on a bad mood and goes all out on sp. Atk

[quaint phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/f94af4b6e7ec2b88

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[jovial creek]

that team looks weak to amoonguss

I'd recommend going tera grass zama and pelipper over thundy

[golden girder]

https://pokepast.es/adbbfd9af498f109

may someone help me with my team i have no clue what i'm doing <33

[jovial creek]

are you trying to use kyogre

[golden girder]

yes

[languid thorn]

You might as well go with standard smogon sets for these mons first instead of AV breakbrick kyogre

[cedar haven]

https://pokepast.es/a6dc724969eeb852

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[cedar haven]

haveny played in months just threw together a team

[wild sinew]

I recommend looking at teams on top cut explorer to better understand the metagame

[cedar haven]

oh yeah the meta ☹️

[keen escarp]

Like iPet mentioned, team has Amoonguss problem. A well played Calyrex-S with redirection also gives it trouble. Koraidon can brute force through the team. Some changes I would recommend:

• Tera Grass > Fire on Zamazenta: Gets around Amoonguss, better into Kyogre and Urshifu-R.
• Wide Guard > Iron Defense on Zamazenta: Body Press at just +1 does the job. Wide Guard is too invaluable.
• Safety Goggles > Figy Berry on Incineroar: Helps vs Amoonguss a lot.
• Rain Dance > Electro Web on Thundurus: Helps a ton vs Koraidon.
• Heavy Slam > Throat Chop on Ting-Lu: To hit Tera Fairy Calyrex-S and Clefairy.

NOTE: Refer to Smogon standard sets, to optimize.

[wild sinew]

I mean

ID Zama is fine

[wild sinew]

I'd like to add to the above that Taunt Incineroar is especially useful against Amoonguss, Flare Blitz is in general not the most valuable right now.

Rillaboom wants Assault Vest to better pivot against Miraidon and Kyogre imo, but offensive should work fine, not Life Orb though, one of the biggest strengths of Rillaboom is its longevity, and getting chipped every time you click Fake Out hurts.

With the Tera Grass Zamazenta change, you have the ability to use a real pokemon instead of Gastrodon, which doesn't offer a lot for the team now that you have multiple ways to shut down Water attackers. Chien-Pao, Flutter Mane, and Ditto help with Zamazenta's worst match ups, being Calyrex-S and Miraidon. Moltres-G focuses on being a harder counter to Caly-Ice and Shadow but I don't think it belongs with Ting-Lu.

[wild sinew]

https://pokepast.es/3b910884e7544e69
AV Kyogre 👍

[golden girder]

thanks for being zero help !! i didn't ask for you to send me someone else's team i asked for help with my team

[wild sinew]

You said you have no clue what you're doing
So you can learn vgc and the metagame with a team that follows the same idea

[golden girder]

but i still made a team that i liked

[wild sinew]

If you're primarily playing to have fun go ahead
But if you send a team here you'll get competitive advice

[golden girder]

https://pokepast.es/f3e738a425e70a04

[drifting onyx]

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[plain brook]

https://pokepast.es/282fa5c8a710edd1

Can you guys rate my team

I have tried this team in a few battles on showdown and I have won against almost all Calyrex teams (maybe 70% of them) but my team seems to struggle against Miraidon teams

[opal thicket]

https://pokepast.es/9e7a45adad87648f, team for regulation G, got a tournament coming up, how does it look?

[plain brook]

Your team looks pretty good and honestly I wish I could tell you more but I don't know much about VGC yet since I'm new but good luck in your tournament

What tournament are you playing btw

[opal thicket]

VGC doubles in my small city haha my first local

[plain brook]

Oh then good luck 👍

[opal thicket]

tysm!

[plain brook]

Should I switch Flutter Mane for Farigiraf

[jovial creek]

probably

[jovial creek]

Rayquaza is not very good right now

[opal thicket]

shuts off weather and when paired with chien pao it can ko boosted zamazenta, as well as terapagos and tera fairy calyrex shadow

it kinda works, I was looking for advise on the support pokemon

[jovial creek]

probably go sitrus or goggles on incin

other than that if you want to use ray its good

[wild sinew]

I don't think it can ohko Zama

[opal thicket]

not OHKO, it's 2KO after a swords dance

[opal thicket]

I'll change it to sitrus probably, but with aguav berry it heals a lot more, I'll keep trying and if not, I'll make the change

[sleek laurel]

+2 252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Rayquaza Dragon Ascent vs. +1 220 HP / 84+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 144-169 (73.8 - 86.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

chien can finish it off with, not to say that this automatically makes the mon good but it does beat zama in a vacuum

especially with body press resist (it lives one even if -1 physdef)

although this is assuming zama doesn't idef & there are more variables to account for so amogus

[wild sinew]

That yeah

Zama's best partner is arguably Chien Pao

Typing is kinda meh
Pressured by almost every restricted and their partners

[river thunder]

https://pokepast.es/3252438e258fa7f7 is there anything I need to change or add?

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[keen escarp]

Team looks very frail. You don't have any TR abusers. Some changes I would recommend:

• Iron Hands > Long Sneasel: Hands is very bulky, helps against mirror and TR with the AV set.

• Electric Seed and Foul Play > Throat Spray on Farigiraf: Elec Seed and Foul Play is very strong in Miraidon teams. You can ditch Hyper Voice. With this, you have a solid duo that can work well against opposing TR .

• If you are running Discharge, run a Ground type like Ursaluna Bloodmoon or Tera Ground Farigiraf. Right now, the entire team gets erased by self Discharge.

• Helping Hand on Farigiraf: Very strong with Miraidon.

Try these changes, hope this helps. Good luck!

[river thunder]

If I want to go with bloodmoon Ursa what should I replace?

[keen escarp]

You can try it over bundle or inci. Test both imo, see which one you prefer

[shut prism]

can somebody rate my team pls https://pokepast.es/647334adbcccb6ec

[keen escarp]

I'm curious about the addition of Sun to the team

Some issues I found within the team itself would be:

• Brave Nature on Incineroar contradicts it's Speed EV's. You often don't even need the Fire coverage on Incineroar. You can go with Smogon's sample set instead.

• Miraidon often has better things to do than resort to Thunder Wave. It's a fast offensive Pokemon meant to take out KO's quickly, and not quite suitable as a support option. Not to mention, not investing in Speed means you won't be able to take advantage of that monster offensive prowess. Also, Dazzling Gleam > Tera Blast if opting for Tera Fairy.

• Tera Water/Grass/Ghost on Choice Scarf Urshifu, and get rid of Acrobatics (Doesn't get the boost) and Fire Punch (Close Combat does the job, you don't really require Fire Punch, not that it does very little against Amoonguss when you are better of positioning.

• Clawitzer feels very random. Clear Amulet doesn't help much at all.

• The Torkoal seems like an odd option considering Miraidon doesn't really struggle against Rain. You are better off running some form of speed control.

Will suggest more changes once I hear the idea behind the current 6, btw

@shut prism

[shut prism]

My boy Torc is for sun setting ready for flutter main and getting rid of Kyogre, Miraidon i just didnt know what to put on him so i just slapped on a few moves. Clawitser serves as my healer/big hitter (Clear amulet insures Incin cant just use Parting shot and lower my Sp Attack). Thanks for ur advice for Urishifu as well.

[jovial creek]

for miraidon you can run specs with volt switch and dazzling gleam over twave and tera blast

[shut prism]

Nah Miraidons purpose is to stay in and do wreaking, not nesserily get out.

[jovial creek]

volt switch lets you hit hard and ohko things then do it again lategame

[shut prism]

Ive changed to dazzling gleam too

[shut prism]

However, i never ever start with Miraidon, its only there to finish off the final 2 (possibly 3) mons

[jovial creek]

but you can if you have volt

since you can outspeed and do damage

then still be healthy for lategame

[shut prism]

ok, so ive made a slight change in my team which u can see here https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2162088554

[blissful zephyr]

https://pokepast.es/e75d78965439daad

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[jovial creek]

Switch urshifu's tera and it's probably good assuming you want to use tsareena

[blissful zephyr]

Ok

[wild sinew]

You want Chien Pao over Archaludon on this type of team imo, synergises with how offensive the team is while being a soft answer to Miraidon.

[regal juniper]

https://pokepast.es/58ca15508c365055

im going to use this on a tournament between friends :D.

[lament rivet]

https://pokepast.es/a95059661a0ccc37
first vgc team ive made

[drifting onyx]

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[jovial creek]

Zebstrika isn't very good, I'd recommend a different electric type like Raging Bolt or maybe Rillaboom to help vs Miraidon. This also frees up Focus Sash for Chien-Pao.

Clefairy doesn't really fit there, that team is very offensive and Clefairy doesn't help with that. You can adjust that slot but something like Incineroar could work to pair well with Urshifu.

[keen escarp]

Certainly not bad for a first team. The foundation is there, with Tailwind for speed control, Urshifu to take advantage of rain etc. Considering it's an offensive team, like iPet above me said, it would be advisable to get rid of Zebstrika. Electric-type attacks isn't the major threat. Miraidon itself is. Getting rid of it's Terrain is a much better nerf in the long run. With that, some other changes I would recommend:

• Landorus-I > Zebstrika: With Prankster Tailwind and Rain, Landorus-I can dish out Sandsear Storm after switching in to an Electric type attack.

• Rillaboom > Clefairy: As mentioned above, Grassy Terrain is handy, and you can check opposing Urshifu-R and Kyogre. The Fake Out is also powerful in general, especially when stalling out speed control like TR and Tailwind.

• Focus Sash > Life Orb on Chien-Pao: Already mentioned by iPet. Pao really needs that Sash, it gets OHKOed easily.

• Not a mandatory change, but you can try opting for Tera Ghost on Urshifu, to get the jump against Fake Out users. Would be an interesting tech to consider.

Hope this helps, good luck!

[jovial creek]

oh lando I is good

do that

[rustic hollow]

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[keen escarp]

Megas have been removed from the game since Gen 8

[rustic hollow]

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[lament rivet]

https://pokepast.es/58a91ac179920a23

How's this

[wild sinew]

This is good, you definitely want Earth Power on Landorus and probably use a sample set for Rillaboom

[clever imp]

https://pokepast.es/969989cb12a677e5 I need help I keep losing with this team

[jovial creek]

That zama spread looks weird

I'd recommend using the smogon dex one

[clever imp]

okay

the only porblem is I dont have enough Evs for Spd and atk so heres this one https://pokepast.es/0be944256a54b5b9

[jovial creek]

You don't need attack or speed

Flutter mane can provide speed control and body press uses your defense stat

[clever imp]

ok

[plush bluff]

https://pokepast.es/ffde61d6525b6204, lunala tr counter team evs not finalized

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[past harbor]

I doubt flame charge on incin

[jovial creek]

Flare blitz>flame charge on incin and then the lunala set should probably be closer to the smogon one

Rock slide on ursaluna can also be sub/SD

[keen escarp]

You are wasting EV's on Ursaluna and Indeedee-F. Expanding Force with dual Terrain feels awkward. Lunala really needs some protection. Most of the team is fully invested in Speed for it to be a TR team. I would suggest going full TR mode with just a couple fast attackers. The changes I would recommend besides the EVs:

• Swords Dance > Rock Slide on Ursaluna: You want to be able to get around Intimidate, and Swords Dance boosts makes Ursaluna even more of a threat in TR.

• Flare Blitz > Flame Charge on Incineroar: Incineroar isn't going to be staying in a lot to take advantage of Flame Charge, it needs to switch around a lot. Flare Blitz is much better consistent damage on Assault Vest set.

• Wide Guard and Trick Room > Moonblast and Expanding Force on Lunala. More consistent way to pull off Trick Room, and Wide Guard helps against the Calyrex formes, which are very threatening. Especially Calyrex-I to your Trick Room mode.

Note: Would recommend the Smogon spreads for optimization.

Hope this helps, good luck!

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/66b971609855a89b anyone got suggestions? trying to work with a team working around miraidon and iron hands

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[wild sinew]

You definitely want to go more offensive with the Iron Hands set, really put that attack boost to use with Adamant and Close Combat rather than Body Press. Also definitely want Fake Out.

That being said, idt the team builds around the two and kind of drifts off course

[fervent depot]

https://pokepast.es/f41f181909da1415 This is my first vgc team and suggestions for it would be amazing i tested a couple rounds and the main problem is kyogre and terapagos.

[jovial creek]

safety goggles>heavy duty boots on incin, hazards aren't relevant in vgc.

Volt Swith Raging Bolt is anti-synergy with booster energy, I'd reccomend assault vest with thunderbolt over discharge and snarl/electroweb over protect

Indeedee can also run an attack like dazzling gleam or psychic

[keen escarp]

Certainly not bad for a first team! Right now, your primary means of damaging Terapagos-S is Mienshao, which alone is not enough. Terapagos players usually carries Flutter Mane, Chi-Yu etc, which is troublesome for you.

Moreover, your team doesn't have any means to get around Wide Guard with your restricted. Some changes I would recommend are:

• Rillaboom > Get rid of Indeedee. As of now, the team is very linear, and Indeedee-F counteracts your Fake Out users and Prankster Encore. You are also unable to use Feint due to Psychic Terrain should you choose you run it. Rillaboom provides set up opportunities with Fake Out, is tanky enough to survive Tera Starstorm, and checks Kyogre.

• Tera Fairy > Tera Psychic, and Draining Kiss/Psyshock > Expanding Force: Since we got rid of Indeedee, you don't have to rely on psychic spam, which can be linear in a format where you want flexibility. You need a defensive Tera else you get destroyed by Flutter Mane, Chi-Yu, Opposing Calyrex-S etc. I would also recommend Spell Tag > Life Orb on Calyrex-S.

• Feint > Knock Off on Mienshao: Your answer to Wide Guard.

• Thunderclap > Discharge and Thunder Bolt > Volt Switch on Raging Bolt: You don't have any partners to Discharge safely with, and Thunderclap is VERY good, especially against faster threats like Rillaboom. Volt Switch is counter-productive on Booster Energy sets as you lose the boost.

• Safety Goggles > Heavy Duty Boots, and Fake Out > Bulk Up on Incineroar: As iPet mentioned, no one uses Hazards much in VGC. And Incineroar is a Pokemon that has to move around a lot, so Bulk Up is low value on it, especially when it only runs 1 attacking move.

NOTE: Refer to Smogom spreads to get optimized EV's for your Pokemon, for the intended purposes.

Hope this helps, good luck!

[versed shell]

https://pokepast.es/94be35876fbe9a26 really wanna use slither wing i love it sm

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[past harbor]

Choice band first impression is a huge momentum sink if you ask me.

[versed shell]

What other item could I put on slither?

[supple field]

https://pokepast.es/4744cfa23e9dd27d im not new to showdown or anything, just kinda stink but I like to use pokemon i like. For sneasler i have unburden and white herb, and i can use close combat to lower my defence, and then the white herb will trigger getting rid of the defects and activates unburden to double my speed (i felt i needed to explain because i havent seen an enemy sneasler so far). I usually send them out in groups, exactly how their set up in column mode. I think some feedback on it would be nice because I dont know anybody thats into compettitive pokemon

[supple field]

im getting used to it my rating is 1119 currently (its now much lower im not doin so hot D:)

[wild sinew]

What metagame is this

[supple field]

can u explain that further im a bit new

[wild sinew]

Oh oops this is vgc rates

[supple field]

lol

[wild sinew]

So you're trying to build a vgc team?

[supple field]

ig

[wild sinew]

Vgc is cruel and doesn't let you use fun pokemon often
I can continue to help in dms but in here you'll just be directed to sample teams

[supple field]

idk my winrate is pretty decent so far

i dident just pick my favorites. decidueye is a pretty good counter at trickroom ursaluna from the games that i have played, and same with gliscor being a decent counter for incinaroar.

[wild sinew]

They're not exactly counters

Ursaluna is pretty bad and Bloodmoon ignores your Ghost typing, Gliscor barely 2hkos Incineroar, while being vulnerable to Fake Out and partners. This lets Incin Parting Shot or Will O Wisp around your team more often, an Incineroar answer is a Pokemon that forces it to run away (I.e, Urshifu Rapid) or a Pokemon that punishes the constant switching

[supple field]

ah i see. ima keep at it lol

[versed shell]

https://pokepast.es/74332b2cf439a306 replaced the band on slither with lefties

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[supple field]

i also have sneaslers close combat for incinaroar

and dicidueye is super slow so he can run in someones trickroom

[wild sinew]

Not slower than the pokemon that are using Trick Room though

[supple field]

its slower than some of them but not all

60 speed i think he has

[wild sinew]

The common sweepers are like Calyrex Ice and Ursaluna Bloodmoon

[supple field]

i usually use close combat on ursaluna and can use reshiram for calyrex ice

and i have haze on decidueye to negate the effect of his ability sometimes

[wild sinew]

You can try it you want
But it won't really work, Ursaluna ohkos Sneasler and Calyrex-Ice ohkos Decidueye
Your best bet is Reshiram which still kind of loses to Incineroar, Spore, and Pelipper, while also being cleanly 2HKOd by Glacial Lance.

[supple field]

i have been ohko'ed by ursaluna once so far, and obliterated him around about 3-5 times, and I have water tera for decidueye. But your right on the reshiram thing that does happen

[wild sinew]

I'm impressed that they are ignoring the threat
this channel will be suggesting you the most viable Pokemon for competitive advice and these are only a few issues. You can chose to continue to play with this if you prefer the fun but you won't receive much help.

[supple field]

okee

[versed shell]

https://pokepast.es/dbace07c29490e47

[supple field]

i would help but i havent played in a while idk the meta enough to help

[versed shell]

lol that's okay i was mostly hoping luna would hepl

*help

[versed shell]

@wild sinew hi luna

could u rate/help with this plz

[jovial creek]

Slither wing just isn't good

That's the main issue

[versed shell]

😔

singles lock unfort

can we at least pretend it's good

[jovial creek]

Ignoring the slither wing, Flutter Mane should be sash with protect over gleam

Or if you want it to be offensive go specs with scarf chi yu

[versed shell]

i dont really know what to do with torn's evs so i kinda just put some into hp spatk and speed

bolt's evs are also kinda just me putting numbers in

oh luna you're in apollo's server, sick

[agile fable]

I get using Pokémon you like the teams cool but I would try to implement maybe 1-2 meta Pokémon Gliscor is mid better tailwind setters for sure, Sneasler without sash can go down quick, Decuidye is just kinda bad from what I remember ur running haze so I see the use but just depends on if it can make it thru a turn, Reshiram is just pretty mid rn Miraidon counters super heavy or TR teams and with Empoleon again a lot better options to setup snow

[crude otter]

https://pokepast.es/3f96935084363245 can anyone rate my showdown later vgc reg g ingame team.

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[past harbor]

Assault vest calm mind tech for knock off 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

In all seriousness don’t use assault vest calm mind.

[crude otter]

mb lmao

i forgot to take it off

i meant too im just dumb

thanks

i definetly wouldve forgot

[past harbor]

You are using alotta ghosts on your team, and last respects isn’t great in a 4v4 format.

[crude otter]

thats true but i dont want to get rid of flutter and annihalape because their my only fast pokemon if i cant do trick room.

[past harbor]

Trick room teams usually need something fast in case trick room can’t go up

So they can stay

But

Generally, I’ve only seen Lunala be paired with rillaboom and leftovers to abuse shadow shield

[crude otter]

oh i didnt notice that. do you think i should invest less into health and spA Evs and get a more into defense and spD to hope that i can keep at full with leftovers

im already gonna get like 60 buffs using expanding force

so the less special attack ivs shouldnt matter

evs not ivs

@past harbor

[past harbor]

I just feel like that Lunala is not as great of a trick room user compared to ndw but I could be wrong

97 speed is pretty decent

[crude otter]

i did give it a quiet nature

[past harbor]

Tho, do you want to keep it?

[crude otter]

i already have it in the game and i dont want to find another one

[past harbor]

Ah

[crude otter]

and i want a psychich to run expanding force

[past harbor]

You spent the time to get that 0 atk and 0 Spe

[crude otter]

not yet

[past harbor]

Oh

Also bold nature on Indeedee

[crude otter]

oh right i cant control that

[past harbor]

Over impish

-spa is self sabotage

[crude otter]

?

i have it +defense -speed

[past harbor]

Impish isn’t + defense - speed

It’s + def - spa

[crude otter]

yeah but i dont want -spa

was it on impish

when i posted

i changed it

[past harbor]

Yeah then don’t use impish

[crude otter]

its on bold now

i realized

[past harbor]

Or you can use relaxed

That’s probably what you wanted

[crude otter]

oh i meant relaxed yeah

[past harbor]

Also basculegion is bad here

Vgc is 4v4

So no 300 bp last respects here

[crude otter]

that would get rid of a ghost

since i have 4

right now

[past harbor]

Trick room has better abusers than basculegion

[crude otter]

tru

[past harbor]

There is bloodmoon ursaluna

That’s probably good somewhere here

[crude otter]

i dont like using ursaluna but i could

[past harbor]

Also

Sucker punch gambit and Indeedee is anti synergy

[sharp aurora]

So I made this box of Pokémon and tried to make some sets for em and well. Let’s say I’m not good at that so I wanted to ask if I could get some help making sets for each Pokémon? (Or for at least some?)
https://pokepast.es/08dce9a42d34db96

[past harbor]

Where is your restricted pokemon?

This looks like a singles team

What format are you looking for?

If you are looking for a singles team with no restrictions go play AG

[sharp aurora]

This is for singles and really isn’t competitive. I just want to make sets for all this Pokemon

[past harbor]

Yeah then you are in the wrong channel

We only do competitive stuff and finished teams

[jovial creek]

This is for competitive vgc teams

[sharp aurora]

Oh

So… Where should I ask?

[past harbor]

Maybe I can help in private

Fellow Kirby fan

[jovial creek]

#comp-general maybe

[sharp aurora]

Oh! Thanks! ^^

[past harbor]

Can I dm you?

[versed shell]

https://pokepast.es/cb8b54d3020999b2 repost, what could i replace slither wing with?

[jovial creek]

have you been strugling with anything?

also some of those sets aren't optimal, I'd reccomend looking on the smogon dex

[versed shell]

i havent tested the team out yet, but i remember you saying that slither wing just isnt good

[jovial creek]

you could go a grass type over slither

something like amoonguss

[versed shell]

https://pokepast.es/d6cb1d1279f59e49

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[versed shell]

fixed it up

[jovial creek]

looks good

[versed shell]

thanks! im trying to get back into vgc, wanted to use slither but im okay with not doing so if it means that the team is better

what teams/mons should i watch out for?

[jovial creek]

Calyrex-I might be annoying

[cosmic ferry]

https://pokepast.es/9cc86e869567e579 would somebody mind giving this team a look over and see if there is anything to improve on

[crude otter]

if any of you saw my earlier team i've made some changes like removing basculegion and not making it a trick room team. https://pokepast.es/73f2a6e00a1fd6f1

[jovial creek]

urshifu-r>ceruledge, Zacian appreciates the incineroar counter and it pairs well with torn

replace sunny day with rain dance

tera fairy clefairy->tera grass. Lets you redirect spore from amoonguss

[fathom token]

https://pokepast.es/9a47b57012587530

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fathom token]

sooooo yeaaaah....

my team already eats through everything

specially the reshiram-torkoal duo

any way to make it even more unstoppable?

[crude otter]

would'nt a kyogre just eat through that

[keen escarp]

I'm more concerned about Rain Dance Torn

Not running Raging Bolt with Sun feels like a mistake

[keen escarp]

Urshifu-R in rain and Pelipper can be a major nuisance. Some changes I would suggest:

• Have you considered AV Reshiram? It feels much better into Kyogre, Miraidon, Calyrex-S. You can also slot in Earth Power.

• Raging Bolt > Walking Wake seems better long term. Bolt is bulker, has better coverage into Urshifu-R and Pelipper, and can run an Life Orb set with Tera Electric for huge damage in Sun. Just something you can test

[fathom token]

nah, I have 2 sun setters, a wide guard mon and rilla
I'm bing chilling with drizzling kyogres

[fathom token]

reshiram has a pretty good bulk and a incredible typing, protect seals off the deal and saves reshi from lots of issues
having earth power sounds really really nice tho, and both caly-s (with nasty plot + shadow ball) and miraidon can potentially destroy reshi... I will consider assault vest, sure

and raging bolt, oh dear
I really wanted to include bolt at the beginning for your same reason, but I think that the rest of the setup I've got like rilla for urshifu and wide guard hitmontop for water spout etc already covers these inconveniences, even if having a very strong electric protosynthesis coverage mon sounds amazing
also, I really need water coverage in this team, thas primaraly the reason why I chose wake here

[past harbor]

You just refuse to use good mons.

Reshiram is just bad

There is a reason it’s unranked among the vgc restricted

Idk when was the last and first time I’ve seen reshiram in modern vgc

[wanton abyss]

Big agree with this. Raging Bolt on sun teams is almost a must

[past harbor]

But is it bad tho?