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[keen escarp]

Oh and I would also run Overheat > Flamethrower on Chi-Yu. It's busted

[languid thorn]

https://pokepast.es/f8c96d681f9b1cf9 i hate this team so much, anything else to add?

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[rapid oak]

This is helpful. I figured Iron Hands is better for the team, but I wanted to try to be different, rather than just randomly copy-pasting a team that topped (it’s a personal thing), so I thought mienshao would be a good alternative for P blades, water spout, etc.

Also yeah sash whimsicott sounds more consistent. I just feared fake out cuz I would barely ever lead with whimsicott and farigiraf together, so I just used covert for that reason

[keen escarp]

With Protect, you can still stay safe. And they won't really fake out with rilla etc cus Encore

[rapid oak]

That’s fair enough

[keen escarp]

And if they Fake Out whimsi slot, there is a possibility of you switching out Whimsi for Farig and attacking with your partner (Mirai) which puts them at a big disadvantage

[rapid oak]

Also very true

Yeah I’m def down for sash whimsi

[keen escarp]

You can use these scenario to force mindgames and pressure them

[rapid oak]

Yeah I like that

I basically picked up miraidon cuz I wanna be as non linear as possible

And I love electric types the most

[keen escarp]

It's a good choice. Miraidon is very strong, and you still retain some flexibility in team building

[rapid oak]

Anyways are there any alternate options for iron hands?

Cuz I don’t wanna be copy-pasting mon by mon from a top placement team for now

If there really isn’t a better option, then yes I’ll use iron hands

[teal jacinth]

I actually use hands on my Miraidon team atm, even tho I'm 3x fairy weak because I also have Urshifu (water).

[teal jacinth]

Same. (Fav type, followed by dragon.)

Speaking of my team: https://pokepast.es/5e40ce2e1d41849d
I like it, and bullying trick room teams by leading flutter + chi-yu is fun, but I feel I need a better plan if trick room gets set up besides use iron hands and pray. Otherwise, my plan is to not let trick room get set up to begin with.
Maybe incineroar + cornerstone ogerpon?
Any suggestions?

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[rapid oak]

I would add taunt on flutter mane

If you think that you can’t always have an out to trick room

Most miraidon teams have both a tailwind mode and a trick room mode

[ashen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/a1ef4047db6f2cab

very funky team, tell me how i can fix this sun team

[teal jacinth]

Just from messing around on smogon ladder, the only time I really have a hard time with trick room is when it's an alt mode on the opponent's team (Haven't faced indeedee lead since I started using miraidon)

[rapid oak]

Also Incineroar is cringe (aka it’s a super optimal pick)

[teal jacinth]

Is there a way to have a trick room mode without a setter?

[teal jacinth]

I liked it before I knew about Intimidate

[rapid oak]

Wym

[teal jacinth]

Dedicated mons for if TR gets set up instead of me being the one firing it.

[rapid oak]

Not really

You mostly can use TR if you believe that they are moving too fast

And there are mons that can punish thay

For example, timid ursa bloodmoon (114 speed). It tailwind, it’s speed is 228, outspeeding almost every pokemon outside of trick room

However it can also perform well in trick room against a super speedy team

Just an example, but I hope that can help explaining

[ashen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/a1ef4047db6f2cab rate if u have time

[teal jacinth]

so far, i'm just learning "don't lead miraidon" into certain types of speed control teams (like the mirror and dedicated trick room), but i asked because i'm mostly concerned about lead indeedee teams.

right now i'm thinking of switching my flutter to speed boost to outspeed caly shadow and opposing flutter

[rapid oak]

You can also lead whimsi with flutter

Does your flutter atm ohko caly-s?

[teal jacinth]

Yes.

Only reason it didn't the one time I did face caly shadow was because of Sash (lived because Tera fairy)

[teal jacinth]

why on flutter and not whimsicott?

[keen escarp]

Hmm, something that's good in the mirror works. You could try Scarf Lando-I, or LO Iron Threads. While Hands gives you a better calyI matchup, it's not like the match up is horrible in the first place since you have a Bloodmoon and Elec Seed Farig. So you can try out a really fast ground type like the ones mentioned above to get the edge in the mirror. See how it works

[rapid oak]

What would be a good blood moon alternative?

[keen escarp]

You want to get rid of Bloodmoon? oO

[teal jacinth]

LO iron hands?

[distant trellis]

https://pokepast.es/7293b6a7b69ff259 yo vgc players need some help on this one

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[distant trellis]

last slot gave me some trouble, put on pelipper to try and deal with Koraidon sun while not sacrificing utility on Torn

I am a bit worried bout calyrex shadow tho I don't have too much into it

hence why wide guard

[lost phoenix]

Calys looks fine, im more worried of miraidon here

[distant trellis]

yeah that was another issue

cause amoongus can't stop it with spore

I was considering rillaboom to help out but I'm not too sure

my main issue is I want the alternative speed control that urshifu provides but combined with it pellipper and torn this team is really weak to electric

I could make amoongus tera fairy but that doesn't help much

so yeah any pointers would be much appreciated

[lost phoenix]

Going smth like pao rilla instead of torn amoong prob works

[distant trellis]

hmmm but wouldn't zama need some support

I kinda put amoongus to redirect away from zama while it gets off an iron defence and torn mostly for the tailwind

does whimsicott work instead

so I can compress both roles into one and then slot in chien pao

[rapid oak]

I’m just tryna cook and be unique fr lmfao

[knotty kettle]

https://pokepast.es/7737735747f4613e I did a thing with Kyurem for some reason (it's probably bad)

[teal jacinth]

I just don't like bloodmoon/farigiraf lol.

[jovial creek]

Kyurem wants alolan ninetales so you can spam specs blizzard

I also think someone top cut a regional with AV kyirem in snow

[jovial creek]

Chien pao over torn?

[knotty kettle]

That's a good idea, I just don't know what to replace

[jovial creek]

Flutter?

[knotty kettle]

Ig flutter or shifu both provide a good fast mon, I just feel weaker to CSR and stuff without it

[jovial creek]

AV kyurem behind veil should beat calyrex

[distant trellis]

should I swap in whimsicott for amoongus then for tailwind support

I want a form of speed control

[jovial creek]

Does zama need speed control?

[distant trellis]

I don't have max speed on it

so I'd prefer it

I don't really wanna run max speed because I want it to be a bulky attacker

[rapid oak]

Felt. Competitive wise, it’s one of my favorite cores, and I’m not even a trick room enthusiast

[teal jacinth]

I'm right on the line between true casual and true comp, and my team building choices reflect that
I do like Tera ground farigiraf next to Miraidon tho

[teal jacinth]

Team feels alright, but on paper it doesn't look right. Mainly because of the type overlaps.
(Posting like this as to not ping everyone.)

[real cedar]

Speedweed

[rapid oak]

Try making whimsicott tera ground

[teal jacinth]

Lol

[teal jacinth]

While funny, idk how it's an improvement

[teal jacinth]

Any improvement ideas?

[tawny quartz]

https://pokepast.es/304e798b29c78f02
This is the first VGC team I have made

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[austere wasp]

Looks ok

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/98e6a1303dccd645

[austere wasp]

Would suggest dropping calm mind for protect

[ornate cloak]

It's an attempt at a Calyrex-Shadow team

[rapid oak]

Cuz in case there would be an option that discharge for miraidon is better

So for example, you can do tailwind discharge, and if your whimsicott is Tera ground, it won’t be affected by discharge

It’s personal preference in the end, but just a food for thought

[ornate cloak]

Wouldn't Tornadus pair better with Urshifu-Water tho

You get solid weather control and you get to boost your Urshifu's damage output

Especially since it's mystic water

https://pokepast.es/98e6a1303dccd645

I could use some advice on this team

[teal jacinth]

Torn is weak to electric vanilla, while whim resists vanilla. (So does Rapid, but I wouldn't have it next to Miraidon if I'm clicking discharge)

[teal jacinth]

Don't have chi-yu and incine on the same team.

[rapid oak]

https://pokepast.es/e1849857c8eaa859 Thoughts? A problem I have on this team is that I have no checks against ground types, such as ting lu, lando-i, etc.

I am rotating the lando-i spot with several other mons, being urshi RS, ogerpon well, flutter, and iron bundle for now. Just hard deciding which is more optimal

And I am keeping armarouge

[teal jacinth]

Before I cook something else, thought of trying this (tailwind can be rock slide instead):

[teal jacinth]

Could this work?
(I'm OK with using the giraffe. My issue is the cocaine bear, lol.)

[rapid oak]

Arma was meant to be an alternative but worse bloodmoon lmao

This can cook tbh

[teal jacinth]

I'ma be trying it.

[rapid oak]

Just gotta play with the fact that you don’t have a fake out user, and I’m not sure if miraidon teams NEED a fake out mon

[teal jacinth]

What was the team that won the regional?

That team had Incineroar, mb.

[teal jacinth]

Thx and ur welcome.

[rapid oak]

https://pokepast.es/bc75e11fee2077b1

Maybe you were right before with Tera ghost whimsicott

Ain’t sure yet

[ornate cloak]

Minor question, what does vanilla mean

Also, I js couldn't think of a replacement for Chi-Yu for some awkward reason

[rapid oak]

Is the ability moxie good in VGC?

Cuz iirc it’s worse grim/chilling neigh, but I was just wondering if moxie gyarados or moxie krookodile can cook

[ornate cloak]

In regulation G? I highly doubt that

[rapid oak]

Ok

[ornate cloak]

The thing is, Gyarados and Krook just can't produce a high enough damage output

[rapid oak]

Ah

[ornate cloak]

And majority of the time, there are much better options

Urshifu > Gyarados
Lando-T > Krook

[rapid oak]

Cuz I’m just thinking what mons I can use to potentially replace the Lando-I slot (Lando-I was there for the mirror)

I realize I have no coverage against ground types so I’m just wondering if I can just accept my loss against them or use a water mon

[ornate cloak]

Armarouge is unusual

[rapid oak]

It’s my personal pick

Basically it’s the ursa-bloodmoon of the team

[ornate cloak]

You could try using Pelipper, it gets Wide Guard

[rapid oak]

Having two tailwind setters feels unorthodox

[ornate cloak]

Another solid option could be Ogerpon

[rapid oak]

Altho I prob won’t need to run tailwind on it

[ornate cloak]

Ogerpon is always nice to have

Preferably, Rock for this team

[rapid oak]

Yeah I was thinking wellspring ogerpon

Why do people run rock

And why do people run power whip over horn leech

[ornate cloak]

I don't have a clear idea but I'd imagine sturdy being a reason

And it gets spiky shield

So you can freely spam Discharge

[rapid oak]

Yeah

[teal jacinth]

Pre-tera

[rapid oak]

Is there a downside to wellspring in miraidon teams? Or does it just not do enough damage?

[ornate cloak]

Oh alr

[ornate cloak]

The only downside I'd imagine is that you can't comfortably spam Discharge

Which is not something Miraidon appreciates

[rapid oak]

Ah

Yeah it’s the one thing I dislike about choice items

[ornate cloak]

Unfortunately, the choice item is kinda the main factor here

[rapid oak]

It move locks me and if I am locked to, like, e-drift against a ground type, it’s literally GGs

[ornate cloak]

Tbf, discharge is a very solid move

And honestly

[rapid oak]

Nah I really like the move

[ornate cloak]

You could lead with smth like a fake out user and Miraidon

Fake out Tera electric volt switch

And go from there

[rapid oak]

My normal lead is iron hands/whim + miraidon

[ornate cloak]

Speaking of which

Idk if av hands is any good here

[rapid oak]

It normally is

[ornate cloak]

I've seen a lot of amulet hands recently

[rapid oak]

Yeah my Iron hands is clear amulet too

With swords dance too, cuz it can be my trick room beater

[ornate cloak]

On Miraidon archetypes

Thats generally better because the damage output is very strong

You get a really solid offensive core of Miraidon and Iron Hands

[rapid oak]

Yeah

[ornate cloak]

Quark Drive too

[rapid oak]

It could just be better to use ice punch or heavy slam instead of swords dance

[ornate cloak]

Gimme a minute

[rapid oak]

But I been using swords dance in case I read them setting up a TR or using protect

[ornate cloak]

Iron Hands @ Clear Amulet
Level: 50
Ability: Quark Drive
EVs: 92 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Tera Type: Grass
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Close Combat
• Wild Charge
• Heavy Slam

I use something similar to this

But with swords dance instead of Heavy Slam

You could also run AV

But the team definitely needs some defensive backbone

[ornate cloak]

I feel like you could maybe try to slot Incineroar/Rillaboom here

Preferably Incineroar

[rapid oak]

Both of these mons are cringe and not fun

[ornate cloak]

Cause you don't wanna play with 2 terrains

[ornate cloak]

Honestly, I can understand

[rapid oak]

Rillaboom also screws up the quark drive

[ornate cloak]

Ye

You don't wanna play with 2 terrains

Incineroar could be decent here

Fake out volt switch

[rapid oak]

Iron hands just does that better

[ornate cloak]

Uh

[rapid oak]

Cuz he can be my fighting type beater

And can actually do damage

[ornate cloak]

How do I explain this

[rapid oak]

And is more fun

[ornate cloak]

Here's the thing

[rapid oak]

At least only for miraidon teams

[ornate cloak]

This team is kinda dead to Calyrex-Shadow

Actually both Calyrex forms

Which are kinda common atm

I mean Calyrex-Ice had a 21% usage rate during LA regionals

[rapid oak]

I can one shot caly-ice with electro drift in terrain without terastrilizing

Armarouge can also ohko caly-I

[ornate cloak]

Minor problem

Tera fire

Replacing Lando-I for Ogerpon would be a decent way to improve the team

[rapid oak]

Well if that’s the case, then scratch out arma

[teal jacinth]

Then they Tera ground

[ornate cloak]

Yeah his team really falls to Calyrex

[rapid oak]

Yeah I’m hella interested in trying oger-cornerstone

[ornate cloak]

It's definitely worth trying

[rapid oak]

Most caly-ice are either Tera water or grass or fire

If they have Tera ground, then ig they just have it

[ornate cloak]

Tera ground Calyrex is uncommon

[rapid oak]

Altho Draco meteor in specs also Ohko’s caly-ice lmao

[ornate cloak]

I will say

But in the event they setup trickroom

Which, if they do

You're uh, yeah you're kinda doomed

You have no ways to manage trickroom

[rapid oak]

Yeah if they bring both caly ice and another trick room setter, it’s a mindgame

[ornate cloak]

Ursaluna-BloodMoon would be really good

[rapid oak]

My tryhard team has that

[ornate cloak]

Ursaluna-BloodMoon gives you an electric immunity and works insanely well in trickroom with Farigaraf

[rapid oak]

Hence its literally a copy paste from a top team (which I’m trying to avoid lmao)

-mirai
-chi yu
-bloodmoon
-whimsi
-fari
-iron hands

[ornate cloak]

True

Oh yeah

If you add that then it's literally Rajan Bals team

💀

But tbf his team works

[rapid oak]

It does

I’m just stubborn with wanting to be original

Cuz I like creating shit

As a graphic designer lmao

I find the team building process fun

[ornate cloak]

Your team DOES WORK but in a lot of the matchups especially trickroom, you'd have to get a lot of hard reads correct otherwise you'll be on the back foot

[ornate cloak]

Oohk

[rapid oak]

Yeah that I’m just willing to accept

I gotta play mad smart which is fine

[ornate cloak]

Ye

You could try sand tomb Ting Lu

A bit unorthodox

Can't imagine anything surviving that

[teal jacinth]

That could be funny 😂

[ornate cloak]

True

I mean

Sand tomb + Discharge doesn't have many downsides

You trap them click buttons

[frosty wadi]

ur dropping ur own spatk tho

fyi

[ornate cloak]

Thats the one flaw

@frosty wadi wba Hippowdon

[frosty wadi]

not a really good mon

[ornate cloak]

I mean

It just has to sand tomb and then die

[frosty wadi]

u can do dugtrio though or goth+mirai

lando-t probably better

but i saw something better, agility discharge, soak, scald lanturn next to specs mirai

[ornate cloak]

Okay

Now that's actually interesting

But tbh I think the sand tomb idea could work

[tawny quartz]

https://pokepast.es/304e798b29c78f02

I think Raging Bolt could be replaced but I don't know

[ornate cloak]

Life orb on Ursuluna with ep

Covert Cloak Tera Dark Torn-I

Scarf/mystic water Urshifu Rapid >

You could maybe try Rillaboom

[teal jacinth]

Ew

[ornate cloak]

Huh?

Is silk scarf Bloodmoon a thing now?

[teal jacinth]

To rillaboom

[ornate cloak]

Fake out

• grassy surge recovery

[teal jacinth]

Ok but I like electrically charged arenas, not grass-covered ones

[ornate cloak]

Understandable

But

Some of his sets are uh

Not ideal

Also @teal jacinth Urshifu Rapid would be better yeah?

[teal jacinth]

I've been using it

[ornate cloak]

Tera fire Incineroar

Is ambitious

To say the least

[tawny quartz]

wait what do i replace with rillaboom

[ornate cloak]

Rillaboom is optional

[ornate cloak]

Make these adjustments

And look at some of the sample teams for a better idea

You could find better ways to improve your team

[tawny quartz]

ok

thanks

[rapid oak]

@ornate cloak https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2132573085-s2ol4falpb9fhiov3dkj3kldndyqozepw kinda not the best showcase but this is an example of how I can play through TR

also cornerstone definitely was the answer tysm

[teal jacinth]

Well I lucked out https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2132584152-prvp31mhsp24skj932cqg490szovqrxpw

KEKW https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2132589891-n8c9q02ffh5xlppuslg8yhc1yjmgw2xpw

I'm tempted to build wide guard iron Val next to Miraidon

[rapid oak]

It’s good

Quark drive is nice

[trail quarry]

https://pokepast.es/e8a5cf985a8b197a @rare slate suggestiosns?

feel like 0 speed control should replace raging bolt with tornadus

only electroweb

[trail quarry]

https://pokepast.es/57be5b022ea5c3fe this is reg f rn

which mon should i replace with a restricted and which restricted?

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[wild sinew]

That's the ideal option if you really want speed control

[trail quarry]

i tried tornadsu with terapagos

have to say i prefer raging bolt

[wild sinew]

Can live without it then

[trail quarry]

@wild sinew but what do u feel

ur more experienced

[wild sinew]

Other Options include trying to outbulk your opponents with Screens or Scream Tail

[wild sinew]

I think there are multiple good Terapagos teams
This, the Tornadus variant, and Grimmsnarl variant, are all good imo

[trail quarry]

ok

[trail quarry]

what about this? @wild sinew

[wild sinew]

Not sure how to help there
The team is an inconsistent gimmick

[trail quarry]

i can try withotu erstricted

[wild sinew]

You want something good into Zamazenta and Groudon

[north tree]

Latias with calyrex shadow

[cerulean totem]

https://pokepast.es/e9125094035f0ec8 should i replace urshifu and what’s a good peliper / farigiraf spread?

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[north tree]

No and look on the smogon strategy dex

[cerulean totem]

bless, thanks

no reg g for peliper yet @north tree

[north tree]

Ah it hasn't passed GP yet

Check on contributions and corrections on Smogon forums, VGC analyses, choruto's analysis on pelipper

Or maybe he did sash

[cerulean totem]

what speed would you generally advise?

[north tree]

Don't play peli

[cerulean totem]

because i’m min speed but idk if that’s the play

[north tree]

So can't tell you

[cerulean totem]

alr

[wild sinew]

just go Focus Sash 252 SpA 252 Spe Pelipper

[cerulean totem]

boring

covert cloak is the play

[ashen monolith]

please tell me how i can help deal with other restricteds on this team

https://pokepast.es/c90136e3a2b30f37

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[wild sinew]

Which ones

[ashen monolith]

i just want to know what my team may be weak to

[wild sinew]

It's best to playtest your team before asking for a rate

But it looks incredibly weak to Calyrex-Ice Trick Room, Electric Seed Farigiraf in the Urshifu slot can help with the problem.

[ashen monolith]

i have playtested it a lot

is there anything else?

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/0c7a1460a2634976 bando!

[wild sinew]

Are you adamant on keeping Alolachu?

[wild sinew]

That Peli

[lost phoenix]

dark helps a lot into torn ogre

[wild sinew]

No Protect and Tera Dark pressures you to use Giraffe which doesn't fit very well

[lost phoenix]

ig i dont need

tailwind

i never get to click it

[wild sinew]

Yh that's what usually gets dropped

[lost phoenix]

Is there anything else

[wild sinew]

With Protect Peli you can probably drop giraffe

Not sure what for but can never go wrong with Bolt

[lost phoenix]

M

I could also go rilla

I guess

My av is free and more support against bolt and mirai never hurt nobody

Wait no

[wild sinew]

Also works well

[lost phoenix]

I have a bando

I shouldnt do that

Okay i decided im going speed control flutt

Taunt moonblast icy wind tect

[keen escarp]

You could try AV bolt with snarl and ewebs as an alternative form of speed control

[teal jacinth]

How good would this fair into/in trick room?

[teal jacinth]

How u dealing with caly?

[keen escarp]

I have actually seen some Volc sets place well in Limitless tour. Typically run the goggles set with WoW, rage powder, struggle bug etc

Not quite sure how it matches up against post LA meta

It seems nice against non-tera fire CalyI, Pagos, and very good into Zama

I personally don't like relying on Roar/Whirlwind to get past TR, since a lot of their Inci run Taunt and can disrupt you. It can work though if you can equally pressure the Inci slot

[teal jacinth]

I'd replace whirlwind with protect

[knotty kettle]

.

[teal jacinth]

@keen escarp solid for why i asked or no?

[keen escarp]

Ok, on that team comp it can work. Threatens amoong and sets up Fiery Dances, can wow any Urshi/Rilla/CalyI (Non tera fire), and you have Foul Play Eseed farig as an additional answer. I think it can, work yeah

[ashen monolith]

i think it can be good but if it's not good i can remove it

[teal jacinth]

Any fire type threatens rillaboom
Ok.
I'm just looking for ways to bolster my trick room match-up without worsening my other match-ups. (I run chi-yu on my main build.)

[teal jacinth]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2133620257-6t4cnmurtbop0zeyyijam4znt2kenfjpw
Well this went well.

[frosty wadi]

stop being so toxic ur at 1300s ur not close to high ladder, at least get high or only be toxic if ur opp is toxic frst

+ur family are farmers

and ur balding

+ur bloodline is ending here

[winter gulch]

??? This was so unnecessary, chill

[frosty wadi]

sorry my baldness due to user daunt vs is damaging me

[ashen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/19707cda20e78d25

[drifting onyx]

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[ashen monolith]

this is a team i tried building around regidrago

tell me if i'm too weak to flutter mane

[teal jacinth]

Sry. Indeedee trauma.

[distant stump]

Whats Zamazenta doing there?

I feel like you would benefit a lot more from a more offensive restricted like Terapagos or Zacian

More synergy that way

[ashen monolith]

i thought it would help against urshifu dark

[distant stump]

I would probably go for Zacian

[ashen monolith]

alright

is iron crown and indeedee good

[ashen monolith]

i feel like they don't rly synergize with the rest of the team

[distant stump]

Not sure

I think Chi Yu is better instead of crown tbh but its probably fine

[ashen monolith]

ehhh maybe

cause why would i run chi yu with indeedee

[keen escarp]

I'm not really sure how you are handling Whimsi/Torn + Koraidon. The Indee + Tachyon feels off. Not quite sure how it works on that team. Though I can see Indeedee working with a Protect-less Zama

The zama slot itself feels like it doesn't have enough support to back it up

[keen escarp]

Indeedee gives fake out immunity while Chi-yu handles steel-types and Rillaboom which can offset terrain, further buff's Terapagos should you choose to use it over Zama. And with a Tera ground scarf set, can OHKO Miraidon

And chi-yu is not Terrain reliant to unleash strong moves unlike Crown. Rillaboom and Miraidon are running rampant after all. You would benefit from strong burst damage right off the bat

[ashen monolith]

how can i shift the team to handle this?

[keen escarp]

If you are planning to run Zama, I would recommend adding a Pelipper

[ashen monolith]

why can't i just run rain dance on tornadus?

[keen escarp]

That also works, forgot you had torn for a sec LOL

[ashen monolith]

i actually meant to run that but chose protect on accident

[ashen monolith]

so is my zamazenta set fine or should i tweak it

i'm just not sure about having terapagos as i have little experience using it

[keen escarp]

Have you considered Zacian

[ashen monolith]

oh i put zacian on it lol

[keen escarp]

How did it work out

[ashen monolith]

let me show you my updated team

https://pokepast.es/a47f03b2520e2c39

[ashen monolith]

offense is nice and it pairs well with torn

[keen escarp]

Yep

I would either run goggles indeedee or tera grass zacian just cus Amoonguss can be a pain

You have the drago mode to handle CalyI mu, and rain to stop fire types from running amok

[ashen monolith]

yeah that's why i run trick room

[keen escarp]

Follow me pon also seems nice

Try this, see how it works

[ashen monolith]

alright

[keen escarp]

also, run overheat on chi yu > psychic

and snarl > tera blast

I would also make it tera fire/ghost/ground

Try one of those and see how you feel

[ashen monolith]

i thought you said run tera ground to ohko mirai

[keen escarp]

If you are running tera ground, run tera blast. Else run over heat + snarl

That's why I mentioned ground last :3

[ashen monolith]

aww i see

[keen escarp]

I suggest testing out fire first

252+ SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Shadow Rider: 168-198 (96 - 113.1%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

As you can see, this fails to kill bulkier calyS

You have indeedee to get around FO to an extent

[ashen monolith]

i see

i have this team too you don't have to rate it i'm just putting it out

https://pokepast.es/0f98fe206d17c2c9

[keen escarp]

I think I saw it before oO

[ashen monolith]

oh lol

[vivid bane]

my first vgc team!

https://pokepast.es/bb5ca63740451419

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[distant trellis]

whats up with the evs on walking wake

[wraith locust]

I would love some feedback on the team I'm working on, first team I've built for reg G
All of my questions and concerns are discussed in this post
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/looking-for-advice-building-off-a-lunala-and-ursaluna-core-vgc-reg-g.3744307/

[distant stump]

If its your first vgc team I recommend taking a sample from https://cut-explorer.stalruth.dev/2024/regional-los-angeles

here

Your team has not great synergy, calyrex is very random and you dont have coverage at all

[quaint cradle]

hey! this is my first personal vgc team that was built mainly around alolan muk—my favorite mon

i tried playing vgc with sample teams a while back and found the two biggest threats to be fragirath and caly shadow! both have sp attack capability, the former can set up trick room and has follow me, the latter had insane damage output and does well with fake out users

i realized that a really good answer to this was assault vest alolan muk! with 105 hp 100 spd and a poison dark typing, i could completely wall both of those mons, while also stunting other sp mons by using snarl, making muk very annoying if left to its own devices

i found this paired really well with trick room friag on lead and trick room caly ice on the back roster; for the former, i liked making use of throat spray friarg with trick room because it was a very immediate threat that needed to be taken out quickly, forcing people to focus on killing them and letting muk be annoying with snarl (and additionally rock slide, which works nice with trick room) and eventually get armor tail! if they for some reason try going after muk first, friag is an amazing supporting pokemon towards the two big threats on the team (the aforementioned caly ice and ursaluna bloodmoon)

ignoring caly ice (because its purpose is pretty evident) ursaluna bloodmoon was a great end game threat that wasnt shut down by intimidate and also hit every single mon out there; i found myself using my tera on this most often with hyper voice because it was reliable; i used a life orb, not sure if something like specs wouldve been better

those four mentioned mons (muk, friag, caly, and ursaluna) are pokemon that work great and ones i have no doubts a out existing on the team, but… i wasnt really sure what to use for my last two slots, so im currently trying out the following:

smeargle! yes, this is kinda a cheesy one, but a mon that ive found works very well on a lead with muk; a common problematic match up i found myself

facing was kyogre and incinceraor; this very reliably could shut my muk friag lead down because my muk wouldnt be able to get a snarl off before getting hit with water spout and my friag with taunt; this is initially why i added smeargle, he could fake out into kyogre, let muk get off the snarl, take the taunt from incineroar and switch into caly; i put enough evs to just barely outspeed incinceroar with a fake out, and this oftentimes was quick enough to let me spore any other threats; as for the other two moves… i was pretty stuck. currently im using life dew to keep muk healthy and make sure the sash is up on smeargle, and my fourth move is sucker punch incase i need to take care of caly shadow. power of alchemy also does take moody when smeargle dies which i.. really like. it isnt a consistent thing, sure, but muk really benefitted from any of its stats being increased; if it was its bulk, it was obviously harder to remove, if it was either of its attacks, rock slide or snarl became more effective, and its speed being raised or lowered made it useful in or out of trick room; nothing really hurts it there

the last mon i use is clefairy… though to be honest, i dont find much use for it; yes, it can support caly, but it’s difficult to use when not as a lead and i really want to clear certain threats before caly is on the field, so id love to know which mon to use for that slot

that’s pretty much it

https://pokepast.es/ebc1913f6c755cbc

[jovial creek]

I think if you want to use alolan muk then the most consistent set is gonna be AV with something like Knock Off, Poison Jab, Shadow Sneak and Snarl

clear amulet Calyrex is better than Weakness Policy

and you can run high horsepower over close combat since it allows you to live longer

[quaint cradle]

ooooooh i didnt even think of that, that would make caly sm better

[jovial creek]

also a couple of those sets can be changed a bit

farig wants protect over energy ball and psychic over gleam

ursaluna bm runs protect over moonblast too normally

[quaint cradle]

ah right

[jovial creek]

drain punch might be better here somewhere but muk actually has a good movepool

I don't like smeargle but if it works it works

[quaint cradle]

whats av mean)

[jovial creek]

assault vest

[quaint cradle]

ah right, ight, that sounds like itd work

[quaint cradle]

for a threat like dondozo, what do i do?

[jovial creek]

this team might be weak into other calyrex-I though

[jovial creek]

dondozo isn't too common but ursaluna-bm can probably spam hyper voice/blood moon

[quaint cradle]

thats true, maybe i should run a dark sp attacker instead of clefairy

[jovial creek]

and if you get a poison then you might just win

[quaint cradle]

ahh, i see

[jovial creek]

tera water muk might? help

calyrex ice mirrors are weird

[quaint cradle]

yeah, havent seen that match up too much yet, ty

[jovial creek]

gl on ladder

[dark tundra]

i have 2 incineroars do i win?

[jovial creek]

Yes because double intim>one intim

Ez math

[dry granite]

https://pokepast.es/16c350c14fcea9b5

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[dry granite]

yo this is my first team in a while

so itd be appreciated if I could get some help

so far, Raging Bolt, Rilla and flutter have been kinda carrying this team, and Ting-Lu has definetly been putting in good work (originally it was incin but I kept losing hard to miraidon teams so I swapped it for a somewhat offensive ting-lu and its been working well), idk about the zama and amoonguss slots though

[jovial creek]

I think you want AV ting lu

and miracle seed rillaboom

you could try changing flutter to a TR setter like farigiraf

tera ground bolt is probably worse than tera fairy too

[dry granite]

idk i feel like if i swap out flutter then i lose my big special firepower

[dry granite]

fair

[jovial creek]

you could run booster raging bolt instead of CM

also I think ting lu wants heavy slam over stone edge

[dry granite]

i am running booster bolt

[dry granite]

you sure?

tornadus has been kinda an issue

which is why im running sedge

[jovial creek]

oops

[jovial creek]

thunderbolt over calm mind on bolt maybe?

[dry granite]

what does heavy slam on ting hit again?

[jovial creek]

flutter

tera fairy mons

ting lu kinda has 4mss

[dry granite]

it does yeah

[jovial creek]

snarl is pretty good too

over ruination/fissure

[dry granite]

tbh though, the only mon ive really felt a want for heavy slam against is whimsicott

cuz stomping is already really good into flutter

especially with grassy glide and thunderclap on the team

as well as wide guard stopping dgleam spam

okso

so far the changes that ive made are tbolt over cm, lefties rilla (its been functioning really nicely as a tank and I wanna keep that aspect) and AV ting

do you think its worth swapping out amoonguss?

I havent found it to be of much use

since im bringing rilla to most games and the team is already fairly fat

its nice with zama but thats about it

[jovial creek]

you can drop amoon if you think you aren't using it

but also it really likes having a tr mode

[dry granite]

yeah

though youre saying to drop flutter for tr?

dont i get like

6-0ed by sun then?

[jovial creek]

I'm not sure

you have fake out+tr

and then amoon spore

tera water amoon too

[dry granite]

yeah but then amoon doesnt beat opposing flutters and it nothing on the team takes a wake draco

idk

also what else on the team really benefits from tr

theres ting-lu which doesnt really hit that hard, and amoonguss which is a support mon

im just not seeing how a tr mode would be necessary here

could use pelipper instead of amoon

[jovial creek]

yeah if you think the rest is consistent enough into bolt

[north tree]

Ting-Lu's set is very unorthodox here, perhaps not the best. On a leftovers set I'd reccomend having protect, you can drop stone edge. Stone edge in unreliable and doesn't hit that much that you wouldn't ruination anyway.

Bulkier Flutter Mane spread, dex spreads are available.

Raging Bolt with a bulkier spread, and a different tera like grass or fairy.

[dry granite]

bolt isnt a mon ive really struggled with tbj

[north tree]

Lol I forgot to press reply

[north tree]

.

[dry granite]

ye

[north tree]

oh and if you're running fissure Lu you don't need so much attack investment

[dry granite]

i switched it to an AV set, I kinda picked ting-lu because I felt like I struggled with fires and flyings a lot so having a good rock move was something I wanted

[north tree]

ogerpon-cornerstone is available if you want rock stab

you could also run urshifu-rapid strike

hits fires and the main flying types are pelipper and torn

neither of which appreciate tera water surging

[dry granite]

torn particular is one that I otherwise struggle with

[north tree]

utilize bolt well

[dry granite]

fair

[north tree]

you have wide guard too in case

[dry granite]

yeah ting-lu was my catch-all to both torn and miraidon in one slot

idk

[jovial creek]

tera grass zamazenta is good into miriadon

[dry granite]

its good, but not great

[dry granite]

Regardless, thank y’all for the help

I’ll mess w/ the ting-Lu set a bit more

[wild sinew]

The team has a crazy lack of Protect and a difficult match up into Koraidon and even Calyrex-S. Pelipper is better in the Raging Bolt slot to significantly help with these match ups.

Chien-Pao is also generally a better Dark-type than Ting-Lu on the team, Sword of Ruin boosts Body Press damage and Sucker Punch allows it to threaten Calyrex-S better. Also provides the team with speed control.

Less relevant stuff but consider a slower bulkier Zamazenta and Flutter Mane, Zamazenta benefits more from the bulk since you lack speed control, and Flutter Mane needs it to survive important hits. Smogon Strategy Dex has sample EV spreads for the two

[dry granite]

Pelipper over raging bolt?

How does that help the caly-s MU?

[modest dune]

Who needs protect anyways, I only have one Pokemon with it

[cosmic ferry]

https://pokepast.es/0bdbfbcfd58678d3 opinions?

[jovial creek]

Wide guard

[dry granite]

Fair but like then what do I do to the caly

[jovial creek]

Kill it with your partner

[keen escarp]

Alright so here we go.

• Team looks very weak against Koraidon. A Tera-Fire Koraidon can sweep through that 6 without much trouble. Yes, you have Tera-Fire Zacian, but it's not doing much back to Korai while Korai cleanly 2HKO you (by outspeeding if it's Jolly).
  +1 156+ Atk Tera-Fire Zacian Sacred Sword vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tera-Fire Koraidon: 67-79 (38 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

• Miraidon in Tailwind can go through this. You can pull off 1 Play Rough, but besides that you still struggle. Especially now that Mirai is running Hands and Choice Scarf Chi-Yu.

• An opposing Urshifu in Rain is also a major threat to you.

You can make some slight changes to patch these things:

• Pelipper or Rain Dance Torn > Garganacl: Helps tremendously against Koraidon. You can flip the tables on them. Pelipper also gets access to Wide Guard and Tailwind should you need it.

• I get you are running Zacian-Hero form to get past Intimidate, but is it worth it? Zacian-C has better typing and overall stronger burst damage. You can run Swords Dance to get past Intimidate. If you still want to run hero form, I would recommend running the Tera Ground Tera Blast variant to have better Miraidon match up. Oh, and run Jolly max speed imo.

• Having a Raging Bolt or Rillaboom helps deal with opposing Urshifu. You can consider it over Heatran (which doesn't seem to add anything much to the team). Rilla also helps against Miraidon a lot.

Hope this helps, good luck!

[tropic tinsel]

https://pokepast.es/2b2e848a528a7539

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[north tree]

Kyogre > Palkia, mystic water set
Helping hand > follow me on clefairy
Rain dance > sunny day on torn
Rock slide > wild charge on harc

These are the changes I see that can be made without scrapping half the team

[jovial creek]

I think clef follow me is good

Means kyogre can't just get smacked

I'd drop icy wind instead

[north tree]

WAIT I'M DUMB I MEANT DROP ICY WIND

[keen escarp]

smh smh

[jovial creek]

Mods ban this guy

[north tree]

😭

https://tenor.com/view/dondozo-goodbye-chat-gif-14368916044478970077

[cosmic ferry]

So I made some of the changes you suggested and this is what I went with. It’s been working pretty well so far imo https://pokepast.es/e6e7c817f255b51c

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[jovial creek]

Looks solid

[dawn elm]

I thought dozo could still be good. How does this look? https://pokepast.es/f6168dcd5071b14c

[wild sinew]

I don't think Koraidon sun would be your approach if you're trying to use Dondozo, as Koraidon is one of the bigger Tera hogs and weakens you through sun. Ends up forcing Dondozo to run Safety Goggles on top of Tera Grass which can be redundant. Choice Band is also probably pivot reliant, which your team can't offer.

I'd look into Miraidon or Caly S

[dawn elm]

What another Pokémon could be used with miraidon

[wild sinew]

Probably Tornadus & a Fire type

[jovial creek]

glimmora probably wants a different item

and sludge bomb over sludge wave

[dawn elm]

Air balloon?

[dawn elm]

How does this look? https://pokepast.es/5b9a5253f4bb1d53

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[wild sinew]

Dondozo would prefer Leftovers or Clear Amulet + Unaware because you're using a Miraidon team.

Glimmora does better with a Focus Sash set and Tatsugiri prefers Choice Scarf for fast speed control with Icy Wind.

Less relevant but use the EV sliders to avoid wasting EVs, other than that, good team

[dawn elm]

Thanks

[ashen monolith]

here is my sun team

https://pokepast.es/776b5a2554c01acf

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[jovial creek]

urshifu wants protect over poison jab and tera dark/stellar
groudon wants clear amulet and heat crash+protect over twave and rockslide
you should either not use venusaur or run covert cloak with sleep powder over frenzy plant and protect over weather ball/sludge bomb and switch to rocky helmet torn

[plush bluff]

Any things I should change? https://pokepast.es/224675978ca9c059

[wild sinew]

Farigiraf Bloodmoon doesn't really work with this composition, Terapagos itself isn't a Trick Room sweeper and the rest of your team fails with the mode as well. I like the idea of stopping Fake Out spam but there are other Pokemon that can minimise that like Scream Tail or Flutter Mane which also help against Koraidon. Can even use Covert Cloak Terapagos if it gets tiring and use Amoonguss for healing and anti Zamazenta. Just make sure your next slot takes Koraidon into account. The aforementioned Fairy types and Rain Dance Tornadus are really good at that.

Jolly Rillaboom is also far from great, better to dump the speed into hp and go Adamant.

[ashen monolith]

ok

[naive dock]

https://pokepast.es/dcdbb09b96d99289 Thought eternatus had a neice, considering like 3 of the top 10 mons are weak to poison, so I built this

[jovial creek]

I think power herb meteor beam is better over lefties recover but that's a good team.

If you want to go dual stab on pao throat chop is better than crunch though

[wild sinew]

I'd go with some form of speed control over Cornerstone or Amoonguss as they both are Grass type redirectors. I also support going Power Herb Meteor Beam Eternatus.

[naive dock]

I don't like the idea of power beam eternatus because I prefer using it as a bulky "If you can't kill me I will" type

[drifting onyx]

Eternatus (Gen 9)

Typing

Poison / Dragon

Abilities

0: Pressure

Base Stats (BST: 690)

140 / 85 / 95 / 145 / 95 / 130

Weight

950 kg (120 BP)

Gender Rate

Genderless

[wild sinew]

Offensive just kind of suits it, especially when its your only legendary

[naive dock]

Im already putting on a ton of pressure with my other guys imo

[rapid oak]

https://pokepast.es/f372b419fce5cdb7 Doing a lil experiment here. Thoughts?

Thinking of replacing Ogerpon for Tsareena just for queenly majesty. For this variant specifically, I don't think I need a trick room mode

[lost phoenix]

ace kinda doesnt do anything, mirai rly wants consistent speed control also

peli and ace just dont fit

[rapid oak]

Alright I can replace peli

[rapid oak]

I really wanna make Ace work, so is there any good alternatives for peli? Maybe whimsi?

https://pokepast.es/281c557aa68260f7 I think this will be the solid core for now

Any suggestions for the other 3?

[ashen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/19f9619db523abb2

Team i centered around clefairy and dusk mane necrozma, this set can be extremely bulky and can live hits from various threats like urshifu dark and calyrex, i eved it to live hits from both of these as well as ohko with +2 sunsteel

i chose tera steel on necrozma to get rid of the psychic weakness and boost sunsteel

urshifu is there to deal with things like incineroar and both calyrex

Raging bolt is there to spam snarl and deal with things like kyogre and tornadus

i have my own tornadus to have speed control as well as having leer, this is to ensure sunsteel strike, psychic fangs can kill certain mons

[jovial creek]

I think protect is better over morning sun and then photon gyeser is better than psychic fangs

probably sash tera dark ursh here too

[ashen monolith]

well i like having more longevity with morning sun

[ashen monolith]

yeah true

[jovial creek]

You already have really good bulk

And intim+fake out

[ashen monolith]

intim is blocked by amulet

[jovial creek]

Maybe run heal pulse clefairy

[ashen monolith]

ok what else would you say i could fix

https://pokepast.es/19f9619db523abb2

[jovial creek]

Probably protect over leer unless you are clicking it a lot

On torn

[rapid oak]

Any help with the other 3?

Or are there any better restricted legendaries that pair well with Cinderace? (The one I prioritize the most with working)

[jovial creek]

Torn/whims are good

[rapid oak]

You think the restricted mon pairs fine?

Or are there better options? Or does it not really matter for Cinderace

[jovial creek]

It's a Cinderace so idt it has to be too complex

[rapid oak]

https://pokepast.es/0b87495853f8d18d

This team has been successful for me

[jovial creek]

Do you need iron head on cinderace?

[dawn elm]

Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/0f5b4007b5b27fd6

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[dawn elm]

I replaced ogerpon with among us

https://pokepast.es/01d62cebbc396751

[austere wasp]

Heavy Slam is stronger than behemoth bash

[jovial creek]

Is there a reason you aren't running AV ting lu?

[wild sinew]

^

[wild sinew]

You want AV Ting Lu and Tera Grass Zamazenta

[jovial creek]

And probably impish zama

[dawn elm]

Cinderace really doesn’t need iron head. It would must rather have a fighting move. Also wims doesn’t need to be so fast with prankers. Invest in its defenses

[rapid oak]

Tbh it’s alright

[rapid oak]

Gotcha. I only made whim fast to outspeed torn

So you think I should just rock with high jump kick? (Deja vu from that move missing)

[jovial creek]

like are you using it?

if you aren't then run hjk

[rapid oak]

I am using it

[jovial creek]

for what mons

[rapid oak]

Mostly flutter mane, and I already have a consistent fighting type with iron hands

https://pokepast.es/6c524262ada66070

Speaking of, idk if my flutter mane should be invested in speed or ATK for booster energy

[ashen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/3928142b6028d81b

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[ashen monolith]

Yo this is a team i made

tell me what i can fix but i want to keep the rillaboom + landorus + heatran core

[wild sinew]

Is there a specific reason you want the core

[keen escarp]

Heatran feels random there. Doesn't quite contribute to the team

I can see it working vs zacian, but that's kinda it

[jovial creek]

if you want to keep that core then I think you have to drop raichu

for something like urshifu

[ashen monolith]

heatran + rilla is really good

grassy terrain protect and leftovers means heatran can stay in for a long time

rilla boom helps heatran spam magma storm

[wild sinew]

This doesn't work out as well in a restricted meta

[ashen monolith]

y

[wild sinew]

Big nukes flying around
You can't trap the top restricteds

[ashen monolith]

true but it is still strong offensively and defensively as a core

[wild sinew]

Caly S runs away because Ghost
Miraidon spams Volt Switch
Terapagos and Caly I nuke you with ground coverage before you trap them
And ofc it means you're not using Incin which helps vs a ton of restricteds and supports your own restricted exceptionally well

[ashen monolith]

so how could i fix my team

i guess you could get rid of heatran but i really tried to build the team and fit heatran in it

that's why i used both lando and rilla to try and fill incin's place

[sand minnow]

Why heatran?

[ashen monolith]

cause i just got a shiny one in bdsp 😗

[sand minnow]

Ok lol

https://pokepast.es/2aee69868d6b78af

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[sand minnow]

Anyone what’s rate my team

[distant stump]

How commited are you to weezing

[sand minnow]

It’s the whole point of the team

[ashen monolith]

just so you know they patched slow start so it's not affected by weezings ability so get rid of that

so you still have slow start regigigas

also ogerpon wellspring would benefit the team a lot more

and most of the pokémon on your team benefit from their abilities so weezing is just kind of a nuisance

[sand minnow]

WDYM I never heard of this

[sand minnow]

No most my team abilities won’t turn off or just plain out don’t need them

[jovial creek]

I'm pretty sure this isn't true

[sand minnow]

Me too

[jovial creek]

run nasty plot caly

and taunt/flare blitz incin

you dont need double wisp

AV protect on wake

and I just don't think it fits there

I think you drop crush grip on gigas for protect

tera fire wake is better than steel

[sand minnow]

I love it

I want to grass type, but a lot of grass types need their ability

With nasty plot clay I just run lefts overs

And flare blitz incin instead of knock off

[jovial creek]

sash or spell tag is better

[sand minnow]

Why is this better play?

[ashen monolith]

it is bro

[sand minnow]

I think you’re talking about photosynthesis

[ashen monolith]

i swear i saw a vid about it being patched

i should look it up

https://pokepast.es/43c40602021c0e7d

Rmt i know it looks funny but let me cook

[sand minnow]

Fake out on incin it’s not good because you have psychic surge going on

[ashen monolith]

true but it's not always up

it's mainly there to help mewtwo set up and to help it live a wicked blow

(i eved it to live non choice band wicked blow)

[ashen monolith]

the only thing about my team is i really never use ogerpon unless i'm fighting something like kyogre

so what would i replace it with?

[sand minnow]

I don’t think you do it gives you redirection for your mewtwo also does a great deal damage

It fits your team really well

[ashen monolith]

yeah i just thought about it

im experimenting with mewtwo and it's doing pretty good playtestinf

[sand minnow]

The thing I would change Urshifu-Rapid-Strike and gives you a full water grass fire core, and does the exact same amount of damage that the wicked blow van does

[ashen monolith]

but i'm trying to distinguish it so it's not just a worse calyrex

the thing is mewtwo can take hits tho

[sand minnow]

Mewtwo it’s not horrible but it’s not great either

[ashen monolith]

yeah true + sucker punch is blocked by terrain

[sand minnow]

The psychic type never does

[ashen monolith]

but if i run rapid i have no answer to calyrex

so would i run sash for that?

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/32b938ab38bbe452

New updated team

[sand minnow]

Just run snarl on the incin

[ashen monolith]

replace fake out?

or knock off

[sand minnow]

Fake out half the time that move won’t be going through because most of the time you gonna bring mewtwo and most of the time you going to bring psychic surge with it

So the value of fake out goes down drastically

[ashen monolith]

true

[jovial creek]

You go blitz over wisp

Weezing already has wisp

[sand minnow]

I put taunt there

[jovial creek]

That works too

[sand minnow]

ITS GOING SO GOOD the team feels really good

https://pokepast.es/32b938ab38bbe452

New updated team feels amazing

[jovial creek]

Still have AV protect

Go flamethrower

[sand minnow]

U right my fault

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/6876dddf7703aac5

Trickroom

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[north tree]

Farig over Porygon helping hand is really nice and armor tail.
Trick room over dance on caly I you have enough offense.
Urshifu over flutter (either form and a variety of sets can work)

[ornate cloak]

Alr

The Incineroar + tr setter lead is so strong tho

[ornate cloak]

Actually, I was using tr on Caly-I, but I wasn't feeling as comfortable with it so I switched to sd

[north tree]

Becomes even stronger with farig

[ornate cloak]

Yeah

[north tree]

The turns that the opponent is using protect can be taken advantage of with urshifu

[ornate cloak]

True

Abt the sd tho, I js feel more comfortable using sd rather than tr

[north tree]

That's fair

Have you considered dropping protect for tr?

[ornate cloak]

I did

I mean tbf I could do that

I'll test a bit with tr over protect

Thx a lot for the advice

[royal marsh]

Hey so I'm totally new to any of this....played Pokemon forever but never competitive. But now thinking about dipping my toes in a bit.

Drew up this team. I like alolan Ninetails and AV provides a strong defense. Also tried to take advantage of milotic now having scald but overall being flexible. Please give me any advice, critique, other options etc. Like I said, I'm brand new to this

[jovial creek]

if you are new to competitive then I would recommend taking a team that has done well so that you can learn the meta

[jovial creek]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axlwmzPA49rYkqXh7zHvAtSP-TKbM0ijGYBPRflLSWw/edit#gid=418553327 has a lot of good teams

[sand minnow]

I want to make Reshiram team with a physical set Reshiram

[jovial creek]

special reshiram is much better

[minor haven]

https://pokepast.es/445235bf99db5692 This is the first team I've built by myself, feedback from more experienced builders welcome

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[minor haven]

Wait shit no EVs, here's the one with the spreads https://pokepast.es/dc526f215b7c9f48

[jovial creek]

that looks solid but urshifu-r want focus sash over choice band

archualadon doesn't really fit there too, amoonguss is better with trick room and then you can run assault vest raging bolt

[minor haven]

Yeah the initial idea was Tailwind Tornadus + Band Urshifu, I can see now how that'd be really awkward. Archaludon was thrown in there for Rain Dance Electro Shot

[jovial creek]

archauladon is better on kyogre teams

[minor haven]

Or maybe Incineroar instead for Fake Out support

[jovial creek]

if you want incin then you could drop raging bolt/torn

[minor haven]

Just thinking out loud, I'll probably use Amoonguss if Archaludon doesn't work the way I'm imagining it in testing

[jovial creek]

idk if this team has the support for cm bolt

so id say run booster energy and 3 attacks

[minor haven]

Fair enough. What should the spread for that be?

[jovial creek]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/raging-bolt/vgc/

[minor haven]

Sweet

[ashen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/881ab1039f8efd31

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[ashen monolith]

here's a team i built

[minor haven]

That's probably gonna be awkward to pilot at times. Electric Terrain stops Amoonguss' spore from putting enemies to sleep if I'm not mistaken.

Also I'd personally want Amoonguss to have Tera Dark for the Caly Shadow matchup since Tornadus is already there to shut down sun strats from Koraidon and friends

Also Safety Goggles on Incin is unnecessary for the most part since Electric Terrain protects from sleep

[jovial creek]

You don't need tera dark

But amoonguss doesn't really fit there

No option for TR and miriadon almost always wants electric terrain up

Scarf>mystic water on that ursh set and you can probably replace amoonguss with something like farigiraf

[hardy condor]

I’m torn between three possibilities for a kyogre team

1. Is kyogre, farigiraf, archaludon, rillaboom, chi-yu, and tornadus

2. Is basically 1 but landorus instead of rillaboom

3. is 1 but ursaluna instead of rillaboom

Which of these would be the best?

[ashen monolith]

wanted fore water grass core

[jovial creek]

That core is less good in restricted formats

Since things like koriadon destroy it

[jovial creek]

1

Rilla is nice for miriadon

[ashen monolith]

and semi counter to trick room

[minor haven]

I'd say take Rillaboom, you wanna be able to change the terrain against teams with Indeedee and Miraidon

[hardy condor]

I kinda thought so, but i’m kinda worried about dealing damage to raging bolts/miraidons/lunalas

Anything i should do there?

[ashen monolith]

yeah

i wanted to counter tr and. fill out water fire grass

[ashen monolith]

yeah but i have rain dance +intim so i thought it would be ok

if amoonguss isn't good what should i replace it with

[jovial creek]

Could go farigiraf

Blocks fake out and you can spam helping hand

[minor haven]

Grimmsnarl's also an idea

[minor haven]

Most Koraidons are running Clear Amulet so getting Intimidate to work requires Knock Off + outplaying which is pretty hard when Koraidon threatens a ton of ohkos

[ashen monolith]

ok

so will this wall things like korai in rain

[ashen monolith]

ok

do you guys think mamoswine is a good addition?

[hardy condor]

mamoswine has the best offensive type in the game right?

[jovial creek]

It's niche but ice+electric is good coverage

[jovial creek]

One of

[ashen monolith]

yeah

[minor haven]

It should. Reflect neuters it's damage even more and can hit back for 4x super effective if it doesn't terastalize

[ashen monolith]

in playtesting i found myself using it almost every time

[ashen monolith]

how do i deal with trick room with grimm

does it get trick room?

[minor haven]

I think so

If the setter isn't Farigaraf or a Dark Type you can taunt it as well

[ashen monolith]

ok

[ashen monolith]

i feel like i need to fit to many moves tho

so spirit break

reflect

trick room

parting shot?

[minor haven]

Yeah Grimmsnarl is a very unfortunate victim of not enough moveslot syndrome lmao

[ashen monolith]

i don't wanna do taunt cause farigaraf

would i benefit more from parting shot spam or thunder wave spam

[minor haven]

Yeah, you have some mons that can function in Trick Room anyway

[minor haven]

If you already have PS on Incin go with Thunder Wave

[ashen monolith]

yeah alr

that would pair well with mamoswine right?

[minor haven]

That pairs well with pretty much everything lmao

[ashen monolith]

lol

[ashen monolith]

Grimmsnarl @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 212 Def / 36 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature

• Spirit Break
• Reflect
• Taunt
• Thunder Wave

does this look good?

[minor haven]

Yeah I think that's pretty good

[ashen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/a6537015e7b6c053

final team

[ashen monolith]

yeah i'm pretty sure no type resists both without levitate

[hardy condor]

Yeah!

[minor haven]

I think I'd give Incin Sitrus instead because Electric Terrain stops sleep anyway

[ashen monolith]

true yeah

[minor haven]

The Miraidon + Incineroar lead makes Amoonguss' life hell

[ashen monolith]

yeah amoonguss has to just sit there or die to save his teammate from draco

[minor haven]

Pain

[distant stump]

Why mamoswine?

this team very much feels like a terapagos or set up caly-s composition, miraidon mamoswine feel very random

[sand minnow]

I NEED SOME TEAM BUILDING HELP

[distant trellis]

https://pokepast.es/b684af54d2b1401a

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[distant trellis]

I'm kinda mixed on the whimsicott set

and its evs

but I think this is ok

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/27771e46c6de5850

[distant trellis]

should I drop weather ball for hydro pump on pelli in case the sun comes up or does it not really matter

[sand minnow]

No hydro pump is not consistent as weather ball is

[distant trellis]

this kinda dies to miraidon

your best counter is to tera terapagos and cancel its terrain but thats a bit of a commitment

[sand minnow]

What’s good answer to I GOT IT

LANDORUS

[distant trellis]

think is not much actually checks miraidon defensively

even lando

and lando is a bit shaky rn

it usable but idk how one slots it into a team, both forms

but yeah I also struggled with miraidon thats why I tossed on Chien pao

can remove terrain also threatens it with huge damage

[distant trellis]

actually lemme make chien pao tera ghost

[sand minnow]

But can get one shot tho still

https://pokepast.es/ab9fd380edda7566

[distant trellis]

I'm not the best at vgc tbh so lets wait for a rater

[sand minnow]

ME either but it’s fun tho

[distant trellis]

also I could've sworn cott got follow me but ig not

[sand minnow]

Nope

[distant stump]

Thing that stands out most to me here

Is the team composition

You dont need whimsicott there, it overlaps with pelipper and on ur zama team peli does that better

You can run Tailwind over protect and maybe covert or rocky helmet

or just run no speed control

go for maybe rillaboom with choice band, thats popular on these type of teams

then for the sets

zamazenta has wack evs, run impish

Zamazenta-Crowned @ Rusted Shield
Level: 50
Ability: Dauntless Shield
EVs: 220 HP / 4 Atk / 84 Def / 84 SpD / 116 Spe
Tera Type: Grass
Impish Nature

• Iron Defense
• Body Press
• Heavy Slam
• Protect

This is the dex set

peli has weird evs but its probably okay

I like modest

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Level: 50
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 100 SpD
IVs: 27 Spe
Tera Type: Ghost
Impish Nature

• Will-O-Wisp
• Fake Out
• Knock Off
• Parting Shot

I would go for this on incin

[distant stump]

Your just running way too much support here

Pick like one out of clefairy, farigiraf, and volcarona, I recommend volcarona

my gut says incin + something else, I think the common pick is scream tail

then ur sets are a bit weird

assault vest rillaboom is preferable here

and why no protect/calm mind terapagos?

[distant trellis]

I found speed control useful with more bulky zama spreads as it needs to setup to have some damage output so I'd rather setup before everything else has a chance to move

[distant stump]

tailwind pelipper is enough

no need for the immediete speed control from whimsicott, you have enough bulk to set up

[distant trellis]

Tailwind over protect?

[distant stump]

whatever is fine

[distant trellis]

Alright then

[distant stump]

tbh

most run protect

[distant trellis]

I'll try with and without speed control see what's more useful

I do have scarf urshifu rapid in case something outspeeds me ig

[distant stump]

thats a good idea

good luck

[distant trellis]

And rilla will have grassy glide priority

[distant trellis]

Thx

[sand minnow]

Cause it’s set up build it’s supposed set up but I was thing taking tri-attack off but wide guard

[sand minnow]

Why

[sand minnow]

Why scream tail

[distant stump]

You definetly need protect

besides being a very good option, blocks fake out and stuff which is common to counter set up

[sand minnow]

Volcarona can be set up too and not just be support mod

[distant stump]

your screwed otherwise

[sand minnow]

That’s why fairg is they to block fake out

[distant stump]

most pagos go covert cloak starstorm/ep/protect/cm

dodge fake out and snarl that way

calm mind is the best set up option

wait im going through these

[distant stump]

more bulk really

its just a strong pivot option, I dont think you neccesarily need the damage

[sand minnow]

Ik but this Japan winning set I was trying

[distant stump]

Uhh

I think

yeah its encore disable stuffs

Im not sure the exact mus it fixed

fixes

but in general im sure its important

[distant stump]

wait wth I just noticed your set

all volcarona basically run rocky helmet or lefties and on ur team I would go rage powder

flame thrower struggle bug rage powder willo wisp

strong support option

[distant stump]

yeah but like

its not worth it

[sand minnow]

I had that but I was ev’ing wrong it was dying too fast so I want with offense set

[distant stump]

when you bring it to a game thats 25% of your team for something with not great value when an item or smh can do the same

[distant stump]

pretty sure thats just a playstyle thing

your running it with pagos for the support value

as pagos is the big set up win con

[sand minnow]

Fair point I need other follow me or rage powder Pokémon

[distant stump]

Iya

you can go amoonguss or flutter with some of those slots tbh

instead of scream tail

probably more consistent

[sand minnow]

Body press is the issue here how do I stop that from killing my pagos

[distant stump]

Amoonguss

or encore disable with scream tail

like get em to protect infront of your fake out from rilla/incin

[sand minnow]

Your right that Volcarona needs to support

I’m rebuilding this team lol

[distant stump]

good luck

im happy to help if you need it

[sand minnow]

Ok let’s start from the ground up

Terapagos @ Power Herb
Ability: Tera Shift
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 84 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 164 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Tri Attack
• Meteor Beam
• Rock Polish

I want run this Terapagos set because it won Japan regionals

Let’s take out tri-attack for protect

So the new one would look like

Terapagos @ Power Herb
Ability: Tera Shift
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 84 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 164 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Protect
• Meteor Beam
• Rock Polish

Now cause teragos is normal type needs set up we need find a way boy to be killed by body press and buy it as much time as we can

Volcarona great start we just need it to live a plus one body press

What would be great Tera type for volcarona water I think let’s go with water

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/715d4780eccdfd10 ive been wanting to complete this team for a while

basic idea is that 4 of the 6 mons force tera in some capacity

(lati since not many resists to dragon psychic, flutter since not many resists to fairy, chi yu same deal, amoonguss for rage powder and spore)

so specs pagos goes to town

[sand minnow]

Lati takes hits like flower

Everything else seems ok

Pagos specs with earth power makes no sense to me

[ashen monolith]

ice coverage helps against ground types and amoonguss

ice ground and electric types are super strong offensively

[ashen monolith]

why run lati?

there are many better psychic types you could use

[lost phoenix]

Tell me any other real offensive psychic

Any

Lati has seen actual success

[keen escarp]

It ohko fast Inci in stellar form

Also ohko'd Mirai iirc

[keen escarp]

Tbf, Lati saw success on that team for a couple reason: It walls CalyI with wide guard support/Tera steel. Ohko's amoong which Zama struggles to get rid off. Draco ohko shifu/bolt

It did specific jobs to function efficiently with zama

With Tera dragon, you force lati to play a linear playstyle, and gets directly threatened by most of the format

[lost phoenix]

Here it was mostly for tailwind + threatening tera and other dragons

I could just make it tera steel

[keen escarp]

With Tera steel, you got a case to work with, yeah

[lost phoenix]

Psychic is a good type to have alongside pagos cuz it threatens fightings

Is the rest of the team ok

[keen escarp]

Also, I would consider snarl > dpulse on chi yu

Just something you can try out

[lost phoenix]

Aight sure

[keen escarp]

Rest seems fine more or less. Try out lati, I'm curious to see how it functions here

Wait, run AV on hands