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[sand minnow]

Physical attacker steel mon

You can use defensive Tera type on groudon or you can add steel type mon like kingambit he has ghost move resistance and psychic immunity and neutral to Tera fairy Terablast or something calyrex-s use energy ball as well force him to terastylized so he can save himself from sucker punch

If he Terastylized into fairy then Iron head him

I literally forgot about ting lu

+2 252 SpA Life Orb Tera Fairy Calyrex-Shadow Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 100 HP / 212 SpD Assault Vest Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 203-242 (83.5 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[sand minnow]

2 hit KO

[wild sinew]

Urshifu could become Snarl Gouging Fire

Urshifu doesn't really fit on the team anyway, not enough speed control

[covert hill]

hello everyone

can anyone give me opinions on this team for reg G?

https://pokepast.es/c1b2e8ee3afecd00

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[wild sinew]

I think Tera Blast variants just in general appreciate Lorb for the damage you miss out on when you arent Tera Ghost. Consider A defensive Tera also helps handle Sash problems, can go Draining Kiss if you find you aren't Terastallizing often

Ogerpon-W is worse than Urshifu-R here because it can't threaten Incineroar as much. Also more of a Tera hog which your legendary doesnt appreciate

Otherwise fine

[covert hill]

okok I'll change ogerpon for urshifu and check for the item

tysm

I'll do some adjustments and then send the team again

but thankss 🙂

[wild sinew]

alright

good luck

[cerulean totem]

personally i think caly-s perfers psyshock over psychic for terapagos

which is already a pretty bad mu

[lost coral]

Hello. Can someone rate this team? https://pokepast.es/c86a410987a659f6

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[lost coral]

It's a Reg G team. I am considering using either this team or another Reg G team for an online tournament coming up.

[wild sinew]

I think the Kyogre doesn't have enough support

Easy to get Fake Out cycled, hit with Rillaboom and Raging Bolt, outsped and threatened

[lost coral]

Do you recommend any substitutions besides tornadus boosting speed with tailwind?

Should I try using Indeedee?

[wild sinew]

That's good over Rillaboom yes, or if you want to keep it, Farigiraf over one of Urshifu or Raging Bolt.

[north tree]

• Farigiraf over raging bolt. Adding onto what Luna said, Farigiraf also gives you an amazing trick room mode. Run a throat spray set with shadow ball hyper voice to hit caly s more effectively.

• The urshifu spread you are using is for reg f. Nowadays they run max speed max attack for the sole reason of outspeeding calyrex shadow and doing more damage to restricteds.

• Kyogre should be bulkier for a specs set imo. Not sure on steel tera maybe grass for amoonguss could be better. If you need a spread, just dm me and I'll make one.

• Rillaboom should be faster to take advantage of tailwind, at least 52 speed evs to outspeed calyrex shadow under tailwind.

• U turn over ice spinner on ursh the pivoting is a huge aspect of scarf shifu's playstyle.

• Knock off over throat chop on incin, bloodmoon isn't as prevalent now, opposing incin don't like facing specs Kyogre anyway and farigiraf you would rather knock off anyway most of the time.

By the way, be prepared to click origin pulse a lot with this team. Water spout is incredibly hard to position correctly and consistently

[lost coral]

Great notes! I will keep these in mind when fixing the team

[hallow ether]

https://pokepast.es/399dfc1c054cb55f

ogerpon more on support

Would rapid or single strike urshifu be better here

Or focus sash rapid strike ?

[woeful parrot]

https://pokepast.es/3ba53bf44e4b4dba
Can I improve this?

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[north tree]

• Grass move on ogerpon is unfortunately essential to hit a variety of different pokemon, mainly opposing water types. Try Wood Hammer, Power Whip or Horn Leech.

• Tera ground isn't a particularly good defensive tera for Tornadus, run dark or steel instead. You also may want a bulkier spread.

• Kyogre can drop 176spa down to 172, they give the same stat since vgc evs give stats every 8n+4 evs rather than 4n.

• Both single and rapid urshifu have arguments here, I honestly prefer single since you already have two water types.

[woeful parrot]

https://pokepast.es/48c9cdab47a1ede2
Sun team

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[austere wasp]

Looks strong

[distant stump]

I'd recommend going for Ogerpon H instead of Amoonguss

[austere wasp]

Grimmsnarl spirit break twave better

[distant stump]

Just a better mon on sun stuffs

[distant stump]

Iya

Aldmish when did u get here

[austere wasp]

I am the epic team rater since almost a year ago.

[wild sinew]

Hearthflame is great in the Amoonguss slot yeah

Would recommend looking into Raging Bolt over Hilligant, with screens, you're not really looking to move first and having something that reliably shuts down TornShifu is more ideal

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/e882764e470c5f22 got to 1400 with this, any thoughts before i go higher in ladder?

im kinda thinking of running encore last on valiant

[north tree]

• Thunder Wave/parting shot > Taunt and Spirit break/sucker punch> throat chop on Grimmsnarl. Thunder wave I recommend to give landorus and Urshifu speed control

• Encore valiant seems good, go bulkier on the spread or run sash with tera ghost rather than covert cloak.

• Mirai should be a lot bulkier since you're most likely going all in on calm mind as your wincon. Defensive tera like fairy also helps rather than electric which keeps your ground weakness

[lost phoenix]

i dont need to worry about any grounds, tera elec is needed for a lot of mons (like indeedee and calyi one shots), without taunt tchop i lose to calys shao and amoong terapagos

+1 228+ SpA Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Ice in Electric Terrain: 264-312 (127.5 - 150.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+1 228+ SpA Tera Electric Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Indeedee-F: 180-214 (101.6 - 120.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

maybe i dont need tchop tho

[north tree]

👍

Taunt could be run on different mons such as urshifu, landorus or even incineroar

This also covers for tera dark amoonguss

[lost phoenix]

maybe taunt shifu works

[late acorn]

Hi i need help in my tournament team, Im currently running https://pokepast.es/a4dd3d0bff820b68 , but i dont think this is so good. I have 3 options to switch, choice band meowscarada, volcarona life orb and rocky helmet skarmory. what do you thinki should do?

[north tree]

Hi, which format is this?

[late acorn]

1v1

and this is the only mons i can use

my current team https://pokepast.es/a4dd3d0bff820b68 , but i feel that the team is not the best. i have 3 mons extra. Muscle band meowscarada, volcarona life orb and rocky helmet skarmory. how would you set up the team with this 9 mons. the team can only have 6 but i cant decide

[north tree]

Unfortunately you are in the vgc rates channel.

[late acorn]

nobody helped me yet in the 1v1 rates

so tried my luck here

sry

[north tree]

No problem

None of us here can be expected to be versed well in 1v1 however

[proud nexus]

New to playing showdown, what pokemon can I switch out to make this team better https://pokepast.es/6630096c7c44a637

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[wild sinew]

Happy to elaborate but pretty much every Pokemon here doesn't really work with Kyogre

Would recommend finding a team online and playing to get a better idea of vgc before teambuilding

[distant stump]

You'll struggle to make a composition like this work for a few reasons, one a lot of the pokemon here are pretty unviable, either being completely outclassed in their roles or just being way too weak in a hihg power level format
then, you suffer from most mons not really having synergy with each other, I strugge to see how rain helps most stuff your running and actually kinda hurts harc and clefable. You also got like no coverage into a lot of stuff like mirai

[gilded bay]

https://pokepast.es/365d2b3d28a6c624

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[gilded bay]

terapagos team

[wild sinew]

Not a big fan of Meteor Beam Terapagos, it still functions as a Tera hog with mediocre damage output but has a much harder time stealing games by itself.

Caly-Shadow kind of just fits this team better, being far less reliant on Tera and doing more damage.

[gilded bay]

could i still do terapagos but with a different moveset

[wild sinew]

Ideally Calm Mind but you'd have to replace team members

[gilded bay]

which pokemon should be replaced?

[wild sinew]

Tornadus is better off as Flutter Mane for the Koraidon match up
Rillaboom can also go for support like Scream Tail or Grimmsnarl as it has anti synergy with Teraform zero

[cerulean totem]

https://pokepast.es/070db0168ade0130 any suggestions?

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[cerulean totem]

the ev spreads are placeholders for now on most mons and if you need moveset justifications i can do that just ping me

[distant stump]

Probably fine

[distant stump]

I'd personally replace Clefairy with Raging Bolt

or Amoonguss

but its fine,

[north tree]

maybe aqua jet > spinner on ursh

[distant stump]

Life dew and after you on clefairy

[north tree]

you already have pao for ice stab and removing your own terrain constantly feels a bit meh

[cerulean totem]

spinner is v nice for more miraidon optioms

[wild sinew]

Imo this is a bit offensive for Pagos

Follows the idea of a Caly-S team instead

[distant stump]

Its fine for terapagos

Terapagos does not need a fully defensive team

[north tree]

oh btw, terapagos should probably run covert cloak

you have enough healing

[cerulean totem]

encore is better into tr for this team because a non setup terapagos is not doing enough damage

[cerulean totem]

aye that is a good shout

[north tree]

I do agree with the life dew suggestion however

[wild sinew]

Ofc
But to reliably set up CM and fair better into Koraidon I'd look into smth like Scream Tail or Grimmsnarl

[north tree]

keeping clef alive too can be very annoying

[distant stump]

Why?

Double fake out is fine

[cerulean totem]

yeah life dew is a good suggestion thanks

[distant stump]

After you is for tr

[north tree]

incin rilla clef

is enough

[cerulean totem]

encore is for tr

[distant stump]

It takes a turn to set up and opps can easily switch out

after you is prolly more consistent

[cerulean totem]

i’m good enough into koraidon with my other members by not bringing pagos btw

[north tree]

nah I actually agree with encore clef

[cerulean totem]

pagos lacks that immediate damage though

[north tree]

you buy time under tr

which is huge

might still be an uphill battle

but better than after you

[cerulean totem]

is taunt on any mon worth it?

[north tree]

incin or pao imo

[cerulean totem]

because i can sort tr mu by going taunt on incin pao or rilla

[wild sinew]

Then I'd just run the original team that used the best restricted in the format tbh
But that's just me

Koraidon mu also looks borderline unplayable

[cerulean totem]

just don’t bring pagos

[wild sinew]

Without Sacred Pao, Zama is also sketchy

[cerulean totem]

beat it with pao and the others

[wild sinew]

Wyd when I Icy Wind/Tailwind and Flare Blitz

[cerulean totem]

zama is fine tbh well played pagos beats most zama variants

[cerulean totem]

attacking with pthers/ fake out?

[wild sinew]

Incin or Rilla can't really touch Clam Korai

[cerulean totem]

• follow me clef

[wild sinew]

Urshifu is weakened w sun

[north tree]

korai feels like an autoloss unless played stupid well

[wild sinew]

Clef kinda sits there and doesn't redirect Icy Wind

[north tree]

tho tbf you can just give up the korai mu

[wild sinew]

And imagine they also have 4 pokemon

[cerulean totem]

i can’t remember how many korai i’ve played with this team overall but i played 3 yesterday of which i won 2

[north tree]

tbf you probably bring pagos vs korai

[wild sinew]

Might be a personal preference
But would like to avoid auto loss mus to common teams

[north tree]

and pray clef does it

[cerulean totem]

i feel like i can deal with the korai mu in exchange for all the other good mus

[north tree]

just use fake out and clef to buy time for a couple calm minds

and then turn off sun to live a collision

[cerulean totem]

turning off sun and then icicle crashing has won me games a many

[wild sinew]

252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera-Fire Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 172+ Def Eviolite Clefairy in Sun: 171-202 (96.6 - 114.1%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
Ouch

[north tree]

they just terad

big mistake

[wild sinew]

Eh

[cerulean totem]

trust it works

[north tree]

I can see the mu working out

[cerulean totem]

just live it

[cerulean totem]

it does

[wild sinew]

SE Tera Starstorm doesn't ohko unless you're at +1
And you take 80-95 or smth from Course

[north tree]

fb recoil

[cerulean totem]

that’s fine

i didn’t even run the cals that makes it even easier

thanks for the help

[north tree]

124 SpA Tera-Stellar Terapagos-Stellar Tera Starstorm vs. 188 HP / 4 SpD Tera-Fire Koraidon: 110-132 (55.2 - 66.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

fb recoil means sucker picks up afterwards

or you turn off sun and surging

[trail quarry]

my first vgc team

@wild sinew

https://pokepast.es/1492c813bcfb7690

[trail quarry]

@burnt surge @austere wasp @distant stump ?

[burnt surge]

I don't know VGC

[austere wasp]

Yea its meta enough

[trail quarry]

any changes?

[distant stump]

For Reg F this is prolly fine

I would go pao over amoonguss

the coverage and damage boost is very nice

but its up to you

[trail quarry]

wdym by pao

[distant stump]

Chien Pao

[trail quarry]

oh

what is he used for

[distant stump]

I just explained

Coverage, fast offensive threat, and sor boost is nice for urshifu and rilla stuffs

[trail quarry]

ohok

great suggestion

thanks both of u !

which build should i run on him?

glass cannon?

[distant stump]

Sash ya

[trail quarry]

ok so glass cannon

thx

[distant stump]

Good luck

[trail quarry]

thanks, just 1 final question, icicle crash or ice spinner for this team

and tera stellar rigt?

https://pokepast.es/66a7f6dbed95ee5f

[austere wasp]

Yeah chien pao is good there

Stellar or ghost should be fine

[trail quarry]

i did stellar

and icicle crash

i feel like stellar > ghost because chien is also weak to ghost n dark too otherwise

and icicle crash cus rillaboom has grassy surge

[cerulean totem]

move the 4 spdef evs on pao to def evs on pao and i’d run a defensive tera like steel, fire or poison on urshi (the stellar tera is personal preference and you may want to run jolly pao if you do end up running stellar)

[unkempt yacht]

https://pokepast.es/041f2ba3136f9211 RMT its zacian gourging fire

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[unkempt yacht]

Didn’t really know what to do for the last mon i was thinking icy wind but booster energy was taken so flutter would be weird so i just slapped on incin

[wild sinew]

Flare Blitz is better on Gouging Fire for opposing Zacian and Zamazdnta, restricted pokemon are also generally heavier

Tornadus can be Covert Cloak and Taunt, the Amoonguss match up is shaky.

Chien-Pao is good in the Incineroar slot, enables Zacian and appreciates Gouging Fire.

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/b3890d8d37639e1c

Thoughts?

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/99df480766f2ed63 dumb little WP CalyIce w/ mimi support to proc

[ornate cloak]

Okay icl, although I'm not a competitive helper, I'd definitely suggest you rather use Clear Amulet over wp

It's much higher value imo, because wp can be neutralized very easily with Incineroar running around everywhere

And, you don't have a reliable way to check Ogerpon-Heartflame which is REALLY good into your team and cannot be burnt either

You'll almost always have to rely on Archaludon to just not get immediately crushed by Ogerpon-Heartflame

And if you're using Archaludon, Kyogre would prolly be better rather than Caly-Ice, cause you'd rather use Ninetales-Alola/Obamasnow to setup snow and aveil to increase Caly-Ice's longevity

Tornadus could be really good too with either snowscape/rain dance if you decide to run Kyogre

And you need Intimidate support so Incineroar would prolly be good on this team

Not to mention, your only way of stopping Prankster is Farigaraf, which is reliable but that shouldn't be your only way and you should ideally have Pokemon that work well outside of tr (Flutter Mane, Urshifu, Ogerpon, etc)

[distant stump]

This team suffers from a serious lack of coverage

Whats your plan on hitting say Incineroar?

A good player can kinda eat this

[ornate cloak]

Tera fighting Calyrex and Urshifu ig

[distant stump]

I recommend at least switching to Choice Scarf Urshifu-r

[ornate cloak]

Alr

[distant stump]

Thats really unreliable

Esp since Urshifu is choice locked

[ornate cloak]

True

[distant stump]

Mimikyu is kinda unviable

The power level is way too high for it

[ornate cloak]

Also, wp over clear amulet?

[distant stump]

I would switch Mimikyu and Archaludon to Urshifu-R and Incineroar

Generally stronger mons

[distant stump]

Yeah one sec

And nicer synergy, urshifu esp

[ornate cloak]

Wouldn't Amulet be better over wp, cause yk, Incineroar

[distant stump]

Then the sets are a bit wack here, Farig prefers sitrus as it doesen't stay on the field long enough to use lefties. Helping Hand instead of prot is also nice

Calyrex ice clam is better, same as trick roominstead of zen headbut

Idk when you would ever click zen headbut

[ornate cloak]

Oh yeah btw @distant stump is the team better if I change to Urshifu-r?

Like does it need any other major changes

[distant stump]

Yeah, I also dont like tera fighting tblast calyrex

Tghost sash or smh is much more reliable

Mental herb also isen't very useful if you have psychic terrain

Could go lorb tfairy calyrex and sash tornadus

[ornate cloak]

Alr

Tfairy draining kiss?

On Caly?

[distant stump]

yeah

[ornate cloak]

Alr

Also, should I replace Chi-Yu?

[distant stump]

not sure

play around and see how it goes

[ornate cloak]

Alr bet

Tysm for the help

[cyan sleet]

https://pokepast.es/4306e637881620e6 Rate the team. If you have any suggestions, im open to any

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[north tree]

• Gholdengo doesn't feel like it can justify it's place over a paradox mon here, go Flutter Mane or Raging Bolt.

• Groudon should drop rock slide and thunder punch for protect and swords dance

[cyan sleet]

Thanks. The groudon was originaly choice band, since i wanted to try something thats why the entei is there as an incineroar counter. But with a clear amulet set sd an protect are better

im testing choice band groudon right now

[cyan sleet]

https://pokepast.es/2d3da95ac4c67538 here is the updated team. Anything else? Has been working really well btw thanks

[north tree]

• Tera fire Groudon, gives you stab heat crash and benefits from sun.

• Tera normal raging bolt, you can flip an otherwise shaky caly s matchup where they click astral barrage and take most of your health before you calm mind to a matchup where you tera, calm mind and win.

[cyan sleet]

Your ideas are really good. I tested it and I actually got to use the tera normal agaisnt caly s

[rotund fossil]

https://pokepast.es/cd0716575c4605ce Considering switching to a more standardized team as I’m still new and making plenty of mistakes, will this work?

[harsh zealot]

Idk if I'm allowed to give advice, but you probably forgot to change chi-yu's tera type (unless you have tera dark for a reason).
Also, if you want tornadus to boost ogerpon with weather, I would personally run ogerpon-h with sunny day so that chi-yu benefits as well.

[rotund fossil]

Rainy day is more to shut down sun teams since koraidon and Groudon are popular, plus if neutral it gives better bleakwinds. Chi yu is new, what Tera type should I be running?

[harsh zealot]

most people run ghost, I think just because of fake out

[rotund fossil]

I suppose, but then you run the risk of becoming caly s fodder?

[harsh zealot]

You can also run tera fire for bigger heat waves and overheats, the consensus seems to be tera ghost though.

also, if you want to, you can scarf it, which makes it faster than caly-s

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/7745790038911fd5 hows this team

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[wild sinew]

Only after you Tera

And you do have Wide Guard Mienshao

Tera Ghost / Fire are good

Tornadus also wants a defensive Tera like Dark or Steel

Otherwise fine team, I will recommend trying Sunny Day as Caly S has a decent match up into most sun teams anyway

[rotund fossil]

I’ll keep this in my back pocket!

[rotund fossil]

Good call on the torn, dark would block prankster which I got caught off guard by

[rotund fossil]

I’ll see how I like it now that I have chi yu to take advantage of the sun (as well as ogerpon’s secondary typing)

[tropic tinsel]

This is for ladder: https://pokepast.es/392a95a8b7f3cd2b

[wild sinew]

I would run Amoonguss over Clefairy thanks to its synergy with Caly I and the lack of spore immunities you have.

Trick Room is better on Caly I for this team imo. You could get away with Swords Dance if you had another trick room setter or a realistic fast mode with pokemon like Flutter Mane and Scarf Urshifu, but a lot of the time you'll want to play a balance approach where you can't fit Farigiraf and TR on Caly I brings extreme value. Consider Tera Fire as well for the Will o Wisp immunity and Steel resist

Otherwise team is good

[narrow dock]

I want my team to be all trickroom

[wild sinew]

Then go Trick Room on Caly I over Swords Dance

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/bd9b29e131cc7da4 hows this

[north tree]

Go amoonguss over Clefairy and have you helping hand be on farigiraf instead of protect.

Also ditch ewebs for tbolt on raging bolt

[plush bluff]

Suggestion? https://pokepast.es/8ca17b663eda908d

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[north tree]

Is this regulation F or regulation g?

I will assume regulation F

• Tornadus > Whimsicott, fake tears will not work well in psyterrain.

• Scarf annilihape instead of setup, you don't have time for bulk ups with this team, final Gambit is a lot more valuable.

• Armarouge should run weak armor, endure> trick room, and tera stellar. Very potent since annilihape can uturn, and you have stellar eforce at +2 speed

• Urshifu single strike instead of sneasler, a sash set will serve you well with damage and preventing protect counterplay to stall out either tailwind or trick room

[narrow dock]

Then how do I stop opposing amoongus

[north tree]

Run tera grass on your calyrex

[dim python]

https://pokepast.es/aceedb9d570c6797 Rate my reg g caly ice team. I've been doing pretty well with it but I'm kinda low elo so idk if the team rlly works. I am open to any suggestions!

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/ae1bb7bb934ea9e8 hows this

i tried amoong instead of rilla a bit but offensive mirai becomes scary

[dim python]

I feel like tera normal raging bolt is kinda useless, chi yu does a pretty good job at countering caly shadow. Your team might have a problem with terapagos, so you could change your mienshao to tera fighting to ohko tera stellar terapagos with adamant and tera. with adamant u can also ohko pre tera terapagos without using tera. Jolly is useful but adamant has more uses.

But its ur team so do whatever

[lost phoenix]

I need normal cuz without it chi yu weakens my own mons and i need to sack one mon

[dim python]

does beads of ruin not work on normal types?

[north tree]

Looks good, you might be able to fit torn somewhere if you want to run tailroom but I assume you have hard tr

[dim python]

Ye, i prefer hard trick room. Idk what to do with ogerpon w bc i almost never bring it

[north tree]

You seem to be running bolt as a caly s counter, looking at tera normal. Give it booster energy on a calm mind set and pass the AV to rilla and replace protect with uturn.

[lost phoenix]

Alright

Ill keep the defensive spread tho korai and pao are scary

[north tree]

I also think kyurem white should fit draco meteor on a specs set

[lost phoenix]

I hadnt ever clicked draco

Ig earth power isnt really necessary

[north tree]

You ohko incin

Earth power actually does less damage to incin than draco

[lost phoenix]

Alright ill use that then

[north tree]

Also change the chiyu set to scarf since you now have calm mind bolt

Gives you much needed speed

[lost phoenix]

Can i afford modest in this format

[north tree]

Yes in fact

236 modest outspeeds scarf urshifu

[wispy solar]

ik its always up in the air

but what is the most useful 4th move slot on specs flutter

[north tree]

Depends on who you ask

But usually power gem or icy wind

However you can get away with running

• Perish song
• Protect
• Charm
• Thunderbolt
• Energy ball
• Misty terrain
• Trick room

In no specific order

[wispy solar]

ok cool

i was running charm but didnt know if they were any new meta adaptations

misty seems interesting too tho

[wild sinew]

F or G?

[wispy solar]

g

[wild sinew]

In G options like Thunderbolt, Energy Ball, Charm, Protect might be harder to justify but Taunt is now a great 4th move as well

[harsh zealot]

https://pokepast.es/4dce62575107fef0
https://pokepast.es/61b198a7eccee0b0
which one works better as hyper offense? I was surprised to learn that bulky support does work in ho, so wanted to try to apply it and potentially improve my team.

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[wild sinew]

Second one is better, would look into Mienshao over Urshifu dark

[harsh zealot]

wouldn't psychic terrain work against feint and fake out though?

also fake out feels like it generally slows the battle down (which is the antithesis to ho)

[wild sinew]

You don't have to bring both every game, and with Urshifu dark team isn't nearly as consistent vs Incineroar

If you're in a position to Fake Out you're also in a position to Feint, making it tough for your opponent

[harsh zealot]

I notice myself not really bringing indeedee that much

except into tr

I’ll look into mienshao, thanks

[wild sinew]

Hope it works out, have fun

[plush bluff]

is this an okay team going to use it soon? https://pokepast.es/a359e0e01e5bddd9

[wild sinew]

Armarouge Indd just doesn't fit with the rest of the team

Nothing to proc weak armour and reliably sweep

Might as well go for stuff like Urshifu, Glimmora, Landorus

[cerulean totem]

why are people still making reg f teams?

stg ladder is dead af

[sand minnow]

i still use a reg a team in reg g 😢

anyway

https://pokepast.es/63822bdae199cd4c

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[sand minnow]

its a mix

inspired by pokevilage backstar brawl 2 winning team

[harsh zealot]

this paste doesn't have ev spreads

you need to click "upload to pokepaste", not "upload to pokepaste (open team sheet)"

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/e47bff4505b16da3

Im cool with spread optimizations!

[north tree]

• Replace Raging Bolt with Urshifu Rapid strike so you can deal easily with incineroar. Both scarf and mystic water make fine sets.

• Flutter Mane should run Icy wind instead of one of it's attacks, provides the ability to win calyrex speed wars, even if they have tailwind.

• Nasty Plot instead of will o wisp on calyrex, I like the idea of support calyrex personally but a 1 restricted format means you really want your restricted to provide as much value as possible.

• Replace sunny day with rain dance on Tornadus as you now have urshifu. Tera ghost is unnecessary with cover cloak so run tera dark or tera steel. A better spread for torn may be required too, try 252/0-/92/4/132+/28

• an extra 4hp or def on caly s could be useful, you never know when it comes in handy and it doesn't cost you anything.

[sand minnow]

does the flutter and incin spread need work?

[north tree]

@wild sinew

[wild sinew]

Nothing relevant wrong with them

[fresh steeple]

https://pokepast.es/f8b1f78e24cf6de8

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[fresh steeple]

caly i + alcremie tr, help is appreciated

[north tree]

Not sure if psyspam is the direction you should be taking with alcremie trick room but I'll work with it:

• Ninetales alola > Abomasnow, Ninetales has an overall better typing and the higher speed under tr is mitigated by access to helping hand and faster aurora veil to allow you to set up said tr. Take a dex spread and adjust moves wherever you feel like it, it's a flexible pokemon.

• Change armarouge to a weakness policy weak armor set with tera stellar. Give primarina assault vest and aqua jet to replace protect. You now have a very powerful fast mode.

• Run trick room rather than shadow ball on indeedee and rocky helmet instead of eject button. Follow me is incredibly valuable to have even when trick room is up.

• Tera Ice calyrex. You're running snow so this keeps the defense boost and powers up glacial lance to incredibly dangerous levels

• Run a different item on alcremie like sitrus. You can position your IVs in such a way that you don't need iron ball to underspeed your own calyrex and your armarouge will be running speed investment anyway

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/ee597bb5a6b0d1cc

[topaz edge]

https://pokepast.es/4c86d6552ac67e05 I’m interested in using Rayquaza mainly cause it’s one of my favs but Im not sure entirely on what type of spread/moves are best for it so I went with SD clear amulet with howl support from gouging and incin and amoongus for redirect/fakeout stuff. Dark urshi and torn are there to try and help with speed and caly matchups. Torns moves are set up so that wide guard doesn’t completely wall it and since I have Rayquaza I’m not concerned about having weather up.

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[north tree]

• If you are using gouging fire, drop incineroar.

• Replace dark shifu for water shifu and then use your slot that used to be incin to have pao

• Adjust gouging's spread so that you go before your own urshifu with speed booster

• Rayquaza should have tera normal as a better defensive type vs the calyrexes and to boost extreme speed to dangerous levels of power

• Flare blitz over heat crash on gouging, a lot of restricteds are heavy

[topaz edge]

Is water shifu still better then dark even without weather? I figured dark is a better matchup into the horses and didn’t have a bad match into raging bolt.

[north tree]

Water shifu has a better pairing with rayquaza

Turning off sun turns sun from a non watershifu matchup to one where watershifu dominates

[topaz edge]

Ah ok I see. I was worried about horses making water shifu struggle a lot

[topaz edge]

https://pokepast.es/1b24a61bbbbdfbad

[topaz edge]

Edited the team based off your feedback.

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/a94f51dbb5778285
https://pokepast.es/e04d318ef867d800
Which team is better

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2nd

[woeful parrot]

https://pokepast.es/a42e56aa3162d53f
tips? i dont have any evs yet sry

[wild sinew]

Don't go for Dragon Cheer

And Pawmot is pretty bad, it's kind of worse Iron Hands and your team wants Farigiraf to help Ursaluna-B

[north tree]

• Electro drift> overheat on miraidon, sometimes you will want a single target move so your ally is safe. Also a defensive tera is better here.

• Pawmot should switch to AV iron hands, hands doesn't take too much damage from parabolic charge and can heal it off with drain punch while being a generally better pokemon.

• Iron bundle can be switched for a trick room setter like farigiraf, bloodmoon and hands both thrive on a tailroom archtype.

A bit of a gimmicky team but good luck with it!

[sand minnow]

Im kinda having trouble against trickroom, esp farigraf

[wild sinew]

I'm guessing Caly Ice Amoonguss?

[sand minnow]

My palkia team

https://pokepast.es/bb1d0cc99cce5779

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[woeful parrot]

What Tera should I use?
I was using pawmot for the fake out/ upper hand + nuzzle, I think it's rly good imo. Also v absorb
I'll prob use farig but with tailwind max speed Ursa can outspeed calyrex s

[north tree]

Fairy probably

[north tree]

You run both tailwind and trick room

[woeful parrot]

Should I not use dazzling gleam then? Or just keep electro drift

[north tree]

Keep electro drift

[sand minnow]

Caly ice yea

[wild sinew]

Would recommend Safety Goggles Taunt/Will O Wisp Incineroar in that case

[sand minnow]

Is it worth having fluttermane if I have shadow rider?

[fresh flicker]

No, it isn't.

They both do the same thing just that Calyrex does it better.

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/7801a99aaad2ed1d

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[wild sinew]

You'd want Ogerpon-H over Amoonguss for something more reliable into Zacian.

Consider Freeze Dry over Ice Beam to threaten Ogerpon, Urshifu, and Kyogre

[ornate cloak]

Alr

Would Urshifu-Water be decent into Zacian?

[wild sinew]

Decent but inconsistent considering its weak to Play Rough and Tera Water is common

[ornate cloak]

Welp, I got Urshifu-Water and Oger-H

Ig that should be enough

[wild sinew]

Yeah along with incin it'll be okay

[ornate cloak]

Yea

Also, if it Tera's I can use freeze Dry

Should I maybe switch to Tera Ground on Kyurem?

Maybe Tera ground or Tera Fire?

[spiral frigate]

https://pokepast.es/2a7634af2e0e4a04

Made this and I'm pretty proud of it. Would like to use on a tournament with a prize pool this 5th of May.

Caly ice and Bloodmoon are my main trick room abusers (caly ice uses tera fire to ignore most things and set up trick room).
Life orb gives Ursa the ability ti hit hard instantly

Ogerpon and Indeedee are my redirectors. Indeedee gets up TR and gives out support, while ogerpon hits hard when adamant.
This also helps ogerpon to underspeed mienshao on TR and taunt it.
Both help me redirect amoongus's spore away from the big boys

Mienshao is also support. Takes care of annoying incins, fake out pressure for Trick Room (specially alongside cali), wide guard for kyogre, other caly ice, and caly ghost) and coaching as a last semi-filler move to boost up caly.

Flutter mane in the back gives me some offensive pressure in the form of specs dazzling gleam and moomblast.
Specially alongside helping hand indeedee it hits hard and takes out certain targets for TR in the back.

(And fun fact: They're all named after songs that match them. Feel free to ask the reason for each)

This is a remake of a previous team, mostly the big changes being amoonguss into ogerpon, farigiraf into indeedee, kingambit into flutter mane and gallade into mienshao

My main strategies to get uo TR:

Fake out mienshao into caly/indeedee tr

Indeedee TR into ogerpon follow me

Follow me indeedee/ogerpon into cly TR

Flutter mane specs pressure into a rabdom TR

Teraing caly ij a lot of matchups

Spreads are standart. Only weird things are adamant ogerpon to underspeed mienshao under TR (bulk is useless since it exists to die and ensure trick room) and flutter.mane (bulky specs set)

Gonna post the same team again just to make sure the bot works. Its the same as the one above

https://pokepast.es/2a7634af2e0e4a04

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The last bot ping was 2 hours ago, it's on cooldown

But you're allowed by the server to ping non-offline or DND raters

(Actually not sure about DND)

Even if the bot is on cooldown

@wise flume can you ping any rater or just visibly online ones btw?

i'm figuring it's pretty uncool to ping offline ones but is it allowed

[spiral frigate]

I'm gonna wait just in case, dont want to cause trouble

[wise flume]

[sleek laurel]

That's pretty nice too lol

[wild sinew]

Doubt Mienshao is best here, can set up Trick Room but can't do anything inside it thanks to its Speed tier. Wide Guard Pelipper looks troublesome so would look into something like Raging Bolt in this slot. Because Focus Sash Pelipper will be 2HKOd anyway, Amoonguss and Gholdengo are all options with their share of good match ups helping Caly-I.

With double Spore immune Follow Me, Indeedee can get away with Dazzling Gleam/Alluring Voice over Psychic which is important to target common Focus Sash Pokemon.

Otherwise team is pretty good

[exotic mirage]

Made some edits to this team from the last time. Though im still not 100% on the lando slot. https://pokepast.es/8600dca8360593e0

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[sand minnow]

Question: Between the Grass/Dark cat, and Fire/Ghost crocodile, which one is better?

[exotic mirage]

depends on what your using it for. the cat is good for revenege killing and droping toxic spikes. the crocodile has stall potential with unware and gets 100% spa boost when using its signature move.

[sand minnow]

The thing is that both have potential. Only concern, is getting teammates that share the same weakness as well as the same typing.

[wild sinew]

Vgc?

Neither is viable, though you will be less punished for using Skelidirge

Btw these type of questions go in one of the comp general channels or for this week, #archive-totw

[north tree]

• Landorus should run Substitute > Grass knot, with redirection support it is easy to set up and can prove to be an extreme nuisance to the opponent.

• Trick Room > protect on Lunala, Terastallization, shadow shield, redirection and friend guard are enough to not need protect, and the ability to have another pokemon be able to set Trick Room makes the trick room mode more consistent.

• 252/252 urshifu-s is just optimal if you're running focus sash.

• Helping Hand > heal pulse on Indeedee, you already have clefairy and the damage boost is pivotal.

• Ursaluna > Garganacl, it's a potent sweeper that can take advantage of trick room turns.

[exotic mirage]

thanks for advise. Though what can I used for wide guard support when switching out garganacl?

[north tree]

Wide guard support isn't a neccesity

[exotic mirage]

ok, ill try it out thx

[lunar garden]

New guy here, do I post my team in this thread for team rating?

[north tree]

when building a team on showdown, you have an option to "upload to pokepaste". That should create a tab displaying your team. Copy the link and paste it here

[sand minnow]

Sounds good

[lunar garden]

https://pokepast.es/540093fe3d78f45c

This team was designed to have a better chance against Calyrex shadow rider

[high shadow]

https://pokepast.es/864692952cf0812e
I'm trying to make a weather team for Regulation G but I couldn't think much. I really need some advice for a casual local that's coming up in a few weeks.

[woeful parrot]

https://pokepast.es/cfebb9e869e3f76a is this better?

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[north tree]

Yeah also sorry for forgetting to make spreads. Imprison or foul play > protect on farigiraf and fairy > electric tera on Mirai.

[north tree]

Regulation G allows you to use one restricted pokemon. This means you can use koraidon for sun. Look online on labmaus for koraidon teams would be my advice. Try a few and see how you like them.

[north tree]

• chien pao over Metagross, farigiraf over flutter mane and incineroar over zoroark. This gives you an amazing shadow rider matchup.

• Tera dark amoonguss instead of poison, better calyrex shadow matchup and immunity to prankster taunt.

• Tera normal > tera dragon on rayquaza, more powerful extreme speeds. Also run swords dance over dragon dance since swords dance boosted tera normal extreme speed ohkos pretty much everything that isn't a ghost, rock or steel type. Switch crunch for protect for more consistency.

[woeful parrot]

Do you think you could still help me out with spreads btw?

[north tree]

I'll try whenever I can.

I'll dm you once I've got round to it

apologies again

[unkempt yacht]

https://pokepast.es/e31643381a5602cd RMT its a lunala tailroom team thought i should try something fun

[high shadow]

Thanks for the advice earlier, I did some research and revised my team: https://pokepast.es/9768d7a975a8495a
Any thoughts?

[pine current]

https://pokepast.es/30d1542ae10c1222
any improvements?

[sand minnow]

I just found put that wide guard can be spammed over and over again unlike protect

[high shadow]

Nice

[north tree]

• Replace Whimsicott with Tornadus. Bleakwind storm is a lot better than moonblast and Tornadus is generally a better pokemon.

• Replace Entei with Rillaboom. You have three fire types, replace one lol.

• Give koraidon swords dance > u-turn to take advantage of double fake out pressure.

• Use a dex spread for incin

[high shadow]

Thanks, I'm still a novice in competitive so I really appreciate it

[lunar garden]

Thank you very much! I’ll give it a go! I appreciate your time!

[sand minnow]

Before I commit to trading, what do you think of this variant of a trick room team?

[wild sinew]

Think the pokemon you're relying on are just not up there with the powerlevel

[sand minnow]

That’s true, but this is what I made use of with what you can get in the story.

[pine current]

https://pokepast.es/3e95ca659423db71
help improving my team please🙏

[unkempt yacht]

https://pokepast.es/4bc6d6f537c471b0 RMT its a gourging fire av groudon team

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[unkempt yacht]

Nvm i scrapped it

[autumn wolf]

https://pokepast.es/790c22e8906d4f89

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[wanton abyss]

Thank you for sharing! You are unacceptably weak to Raging Bolt and Miraidon with this team.

[autumn wolf]

thats what pawmot was supposed to be for mainly

[north tree]

• give kyogre a bulkier spread. I think there's gonna be a dex spread soon for it (gp team hurry up).

• make urshifu's spread 252/252. more effective in reg g due to caly s being everywhere and probably a defensive tera

[wanton abyss]

Pawnot does not check either of those, I would recommend something that can resist electric and hit them for SE damage

[north tree]

• replace pawmot with pao and your bolt/mirai mu should be fine

if you still struggle, replace pao for Landorus Incarnate

[wanton abyss]

Pao is a good choice. I prefer Lando-I on these kinds of team

[north tree]

you could also run both and replace farigiraf

unfortunately pawmot isn't a very good pokemon in general and revival blessing isn't appreciated by anything on this team as ursh will now be in range of glide and kyogre will have weakened water spouts

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/7c4fb87bcd4c9b55

[knotty thicket]

Brand new to vgc and only ever played gen 3 ou in the past. Basically complete beginner and am making my first attempt at a team. I'd like to build around multiscale Lugia and my main idea here was to protect Lugia and debuff enemy sp def while calm minding Lugia but i admit i don't 100% know what I'm doing. Thoughts on where I should go from here with this?

https://pokepast.es/5b4b65059130243a

[hasty owl]

try looking in labmaus

[wild sinew]

Lugia's main downside is being a worse version of Terapagos

[modest dune]

Hey it did get on stream during Indy..... didn't make day 2 sadly

[distant trellis]

@zinc salmon here

[zinc salmon]

Thx

[distant trellis]

yw

[zinc salmon]

https://pokepast.es/7c9603d4520c8266 anything i should change to improve this team?

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[brittle gate]

vgc rates, rate this team

i've used it a bit and it's really countered by ground

[sleek laurel]

Member here since 6th of august 2022

I can't tell if you're doing this on purpose but in case you aren't, you mixed it up with #1059653209678950460

[jovial creek]

Scarf is probably better on urshifu because it allows you to function out of tailwind

It also means you can beat things like calyrex shadow with tera water surging strikes

A lot of nasty plot calyrex shadow run psyshock for the terapagos matchup too

Then I'd say protect is better on chi yu over fire blast so you can position better

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/622f1a3a8d75b0fd Reg G/F team

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[austere wasp]

some reg g teams are just reg f team + restricted

I guess you can add a kyogre there for Thundurus

Rain + Thunder...

[north tree]

• This is a reg f team, Reg g usually has one restricted.

• Wide lens on kingdra is a nice try, but life orb is what makes it do damage. you just have to accept that your moves are going to miss sometimes.

• Krookodile isn't very good here, replace with farigiraf so you have a way to support both metagross and ursaluna-bloodmoon

• Ursaluna bloodmoon should run life orb instead of covert cloak and kingdra should become a scarf urshifu rapid strike. Now that trick room is on the team, the extra speed is not as necessary. Hyper voice > yawn as the spread can quickly spiral games into your control, especially with helping hand farigiraf and tera normal.

• Tsareena should switch for amoonguss now as Farigiraf already provides priority block. Amoonguss offers redirection and can abuse trick room with spore.

• Thundurus can be replaced for pelipper, flying tends to be a better stab than electric and access to wide guard is crucial.

[sand minnow]

what about kyogre as my restricted

[thorn root]

https://pokepast.es/0ee1f518f1fdffa4

this joint kinda gets farmed by pagos

is there anything i can do to fix it

[north tree]

Replace Groudon with Koraidon. Problem solved.

[thorn root]

koraidon is a fraud

and then i lose to other stuff

[austere wasp]

Actually thats the fix bec collision course owns terapagos

Also has blitz/scaleshot/bswpie

[verbal cove]

https://pokepast.es/09fb91e66c1632c0 hows this team

[umbral crystal]

https://pokepast.es/53eaa706c0164309 can anyone help me with my team into Kyogre, rouge Peliper, and the cursed Horses? My 6th shot used to be Rillaboom I've also thought about Rockpon or Firepon but I'm not familiar enough with Ogrepon to know which would best fit on my team?Also heard buzz about Bronzong of all things becoming a new counter to Caly-i, I'm also interested in possibly Flutter over Raging but I'm not sure if that's a wise change?

[brittle gate]

this was an accident, thank you

[sleek laurel]

Lol

Natural

[brittle gate]

i don't do this much as you can tell

[subtle solar]

https://pokepast.es/ab1efbbcb9b7e086 I tried making a team for my new favorite Pokémon this generation and I’m curious what y’all think and if there are any changes, I should make

[unkempt anvil]

I made a few mistakes very unserious teams because I felt like it. Are any of them vaguely useable?

Terapagos/Rillaboom: https://pokepast.es/811d42eafe4c9de2
Terapagos/Whimsicott: https://pokepast.es/ffecdcb86ad8f477
Miraidon: https://pokepast.es/2d0e15f67ef13e02
Calyrex (That was but an attempt to make my VGC22 team work, it's 100% unserious.): https://pokepast.es/c61e3d0334d5ba09
Koraidon: https://pokepast.es/81c202958732d38a

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[wild sinew]

Terapagos A is actually pretty good

[wild sinew]

Flare Blitz is the better STAB move on Incineroar, a lot of important calcs ride on the 120 BP move.

Bug doesn't really help Farigiraf, Fairy grants it a Dark resist and can make a case for Ground for Discharge Miraidon.

Urshifu is shaky, making you weaker to Rillaboom and Flutter Mane, also lacks Protect for flexibility. I'd consider adding something like Hearthflame to threaten Rillaboom or Ursaluna-B to obtain a Trick Room mode.

[subtle solar]

I picked the kung fu panda because I needed something to counter ground types since Pawmot and Miridon can’t

Honestly, I thought you were going to mention the horrible spreads more than anything else

[wild sinew]

Solution is Draco Meteor Hearthflame and Bloodmoon should do tons of damage to if not ohko the relevant ground types anyway

For EVs I recommend using the sliders at level 50
Avoids wasted EVs

[subtle solar]

I do like the idea of blood moon

But then again, most of my team is fast

Might be a problem too, especially since I have tailwind

[wild sinew]

Your Koraidon is Adamant so I'd look into Flame Charge or Scale Shot 3rd move, Heavy Slam doesn't provide anything as Tera Fire Flare Blitz kills Flutter Mane two times over.

Id suggest making the Raging Bolt Assault Vest so you have an easier time pivoting and against Kyogre Farigiraf/Tsareena, can also remove Pelipper when its clicking Wide Guard.

I don't really get Indeedee here, Farigiraf synergises better with Raging Bolt and Incineroar.

Speaking of Incineroar, it's probably what I'd put in the Ogerpon slot. Your team isn't exactly weak to Intimidate so nothing to fear, something that helps set up Trick Room is good. Can even just put Hearthflame for a Fairy resist and sun abuser, as Follow Me helps set up Trick Room just fine.

Your current Whimsicott set is suited for Covert Cloak, Focus Sash requires Tera Ghost and 252/252 fits better.

[wild sinew]

Gives you smth to do other than block priority when you bring Farigiraf

[subtle solar]

OK, that works

What EV spread would you recommend for ursaluna?

[umbral crystal]

Thank you for the input! I posted somewhere else and they also recommend I swap to AV Bolt and for Flame Charge over Heavy Slam so I'll def run those up. I used to run Covert Cloak on Whim but was told to swap to Focus Band, I'll swap back tho. I was also recommended WaterPon but I like the sound of FirePon more honestly since I don't suffer the negative Synergy.

Originally Whim had Light Screen as the 3rd move but I'm far more worried about rouge Pelipers now, do you think Sunny Day is a better slot in choice over Light Screen? I had it on there to help with my match up into Kyogre and Caly-s

[wild sinew]

220/0/4/252+/4/28 is good

[wild sinew]

Imo yeah, especially with Snarl Assault Vest Raging Bolt

[subtle solar]

Wait, if we’re using it for a trickroom mode though, why speed?

[umbral crystal]

Is that in relation to sunny over light?

[wild sinew]

It's good on Trick Room but doesn't need it to function, sometimes it'll just be outspeeding stuff like Landorus with Tailwind

[wild sinew]

It's worth keeping Sunny Day since Raging Bolt handles those match ups

[umbral crystal]

Thank you!

[subtle solar]

OK, thanks for the help

[wild sinew]

Happy to

[umbral crystal]

Is Draco Meteor still BiS for AV Bolt?

[wild sinew]

BiS?

[subtle solar]

https://pokepast.es/8be231608a264453 here is the new and probably improved team

[wild sinew]

Recommence Life Orb on Bloodmoon

[subtle solar]

Electric seed is so we can take advantage of the terrain, but also become harder to remove

[wild sinew]

Recommend Pelipper in the Bloodmoon slot and making Calyrex-I Tera Grass, makes the Incineroar Amoonguss mirror so much more manageable.

[wild sinew]

This is how people misused Miraidon earlier and why it was considered a fraud going into the regional

You don't take advantage of terrain, as when terrain is up, you should be clicking Electro Drift and protecting Miraidon. The issue comes from Rillaboom who will remove your terrain and team exists to stop that.

At least how I'd put it into words

[subtle solar]

what if we had a pokemon with ice spinner?

[unkempt anvil]

really? hm, that's good to know!
any changes I could make to improve it?

[wild sinew]

Probably don't have 3 Grass types even with how scary Urshifu can be, recommend a Flutter Mane or Grimmsnarl in the Wellspring slot for a better Koraidon match up.

[unkempt anvil]

does this set work?

[wild sinew]

Yes

[unkempt anvil]

Noice

I'll change it tomorrow

[plush bluff]

what should i replace armarouge and indeedee https://pokepast.es/a359e0e01e5bddd9 (reg f)

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[distant stump]

Glimmora and Urshifu-S

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/2010c35060889380
Hows this team

[wild sinew]

^

[umbral crystal]

Best in Slot

@wild sinew thanks for the help last night, this is what I updated to

https://pokepast.es/a6a8b050388f9901

[north tree]

-Protect on this sort of Farigiraf set is not particularly optimal, run psychic, foul play or tera blast instead.

• Replace Bloodmoon for a coaching choice scarf urshifu rapid strike, it's a common set which gives your calyrex ice support outside of trick room along with being a genuinely good offensive set.

• Snarl on raging bolt could be changed for volt switch and tera grass for electric. Farigiraf raging bolt then becomes a potent lead which can threaten with helping hand tera electric thunderclap/bolts or being able to vswitch into calyrex as you trick room.

• Tera fire on calyrex Ice, prevents will o wisp burns. The raging bolt and now scarf urshifu should be able to compensate for the rain matchup.

[north tree]

What choruto said but also run icy wind on your flutter mane instead of shadow ball. Gives you extra speed control in tailwind mirrors and allows you to run choice specs on chi yu.

Alternatively, arrange the evs so the booster energy gives a spa boost. This makes flutter an offensive beast next to chiyu.

[still spindle]

Hey guys, i just recently got into VGC after just casually playing Pokemon for years. Wanted thoughts on this team idea I had for a mono type team. Was thinking if replacing one of them with Sinistcha but idk who. Any other tips or advice would be lovely:) https://pokepast.es/a6368bff17a899be

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[austere wasp]

Drop u turn on dragapult to maybe breaking swipe

[still spindle]

Ohh ty! I appreciate it!

[austere wasp]

And maybe tera fairy flutter mane with moonblast, do you even need a ghost move because you have other ghost types!

[still spindle]

Oh! That's good, you have a point!

[austere wasp]

This is because i think theres no good switch ins to pivot to so better stay as pult

[still spindle]

Gotyyya. Any advice on who to replace for Sinistcha?

[still spindle]

Ty btw!

[austere wasp]

Probably the ceruledge

Sinitcha.is better rhan it because it can rage powder at the least

[still spindle]

I was unfortunately thinking the same thing. Love Ceruledge but 2 supports is better than 1

Truuue!

[austere wasp]

Also i love monotype teams it is fun

[still spindle]

I've always wanted to try one and since I gotten into VGC I was wondering if I could make one competitive

[austere wasp]

Ghost is a great typing to monotype to but i think ur team is weak to tailwind astral barrage so how about having tera normal sinistcha?

[still spindle]

Loooove that.

[austere wasp]

With trick room but i think it will be less used

[north tree]

The team is rather setup heavy without much way to support the setup. Replace ceruledge for sinistcha as the weak link, tera water sinistcha.

Next, give your own calyrex and defensive tera like fairy or normal and a bulkier spread to take advantage of hospitality. Remove focus Sash for maybe spell tag or spooky plate or even sitrus berry. You could also drop nasty plot for a cool support move such as encore, disable or snarl.

Then give that focus Sash to dragapult and provide it with a support set. Shadow ball to hit opposing caly s and stab, draco for Mirai and crew, will o wisp to cripple physical attackers and light screen for special mons. Probably tera normal, grass, steel or even stellar.

Annilihape > tera normal, you can flip the caly s matchup completely. Flutter Mane going for tera fairy should be obvious to be able to live a caly s hit and maybe taunt over shadow ball as you have 6 ghost types so less priority for ghost stab and more priority for shutting down strategies like calm mind terapagos.

This is probably one of the better attempts at a monotype team I've seen, ghost is an excellent type to use. My advice would be to test a lot and see what mons can fit the purposes you want them to fit, building with conditions usually ends up with weird and wonderful picks/sets.

[still spindle]

Thank you so much! Ill be taking this advice and changing my team accordingly! Thank you so much!

[harsh zealot]

https://pokepast.es/4ce95335fca54a16
rest of my team has been checked multiple times already, can someone just check the caly-s? now that the dex is updated, I realized that it deviates from the dex but I have reasons: bulk investment doesn't seem to be worth as much with lorb recoil, I'd rather run tera blast over draining kiss since draining kiss is simply too weak (and can't touch incin), and psychic is a lot stronger than psyshock when chi-yu is on the field.

(btw not using indeedee because I'm bad at using it 👍)

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[distant stump]

Fine, probably

just run draining kiss

its worth it

incin is taking nothing form caly-s regardless

Btw Ideally you would run bulk on torn

and then covert or smh

[harsh zealot]

tera fairy tera blast is still doing a good chunk of its health, and draining kiss seems like it'll be worse than tera blast both inside and outside of tera (simply does less damage)

[harsh zealot]

I actually feel like I want torn to die faster, since then I can abuse more tailwind with a free switch

oh, btw, should chi-yu also run max-max in reg g? the reg f set had bulk but idk if that still applies

[harsh zealot]

so psychic over psyshock and no bulk are fine right?

[distant stump]

You dont need to tera for draining kiss to be useful

and the recovery is very nice

[distant stump]

Eh

Your still losing a pokemon

and tornadus by itself is a useful damage piece

more bulk is still worth

[distant stump]

Dunno

[distant stump]

I dont really care which, I think spychock is prefered?

[harsh zealot]

it's because chi-yu buffs psychic but not psyshock

[distant stump]

Okay

Psychic then

[harsh zealot]

btw torn still survives an astral barrage with no investment

[distant stump]

Just run more

Its worth for stuff like Surging Strikes

[harsh zealot]

is no bulk just worse now than in reg f?

also the bulky set gets outsped by everything, and idk how much damage it is dealing with no spa investment

[distant stump]

FOr Chi Yu?

[harsh zealot]

and dkiss recovery is kind of useless if it's not dealing any damage (it's a 50 bp non-stab move, it's not going to do any damage)

[distant stump]

I have 0 clue

[harsh zealot]

for torn

[distant stump]

Just run bulky

Its worth it a lot

esp with fake out stuffs

[harsh zealot]

I could still run cloak on offensive though

[distant stump]

If you really insist

Then run no bulk

[harsh zealot]

ig i'll try bulk

ty

[dusky smelt]

New to teambulding and feeling unsure about the chi yu and groudon, any advice or tips would be nice https://pokepast.es/45611e5bf54bba27

[distant stump]

Groudon usually runs clear amulet to dodge Incin intimidate

which is otherwise really annoying

I probably woulden't run Chi yu and chien-pao here

they dont offer terribly miuch

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc/

Theres prolly a few sets here

[topaz edge]

https://pokepast.es/3de18915025e900e thoughts on this Zamazenta team?

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[north tree]

• Tera grass/ghost on zama you have enough dark shifu counters.

• Tera stellar/ghost pelipper.

• Scarf urshifu r, you need the speed.

• Grass incin for the amoonguss matchup.

[topaz edge]

Hmm I see.

[verbal cove]

https://pokepast.es/3cb0188d9ed5478f is this what u had in mind

[unkempt yacht]

https://pokepast.es/5e210f9004504e59 RMT this is my main team rn its a more defensive zama team

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[north tree]

The team seems more geared towards offense with a defensive zamazenta mode.

Replace ting lu and Clefairy with Urshifu r and AV rilla. Use hearthflame as your follow me user.

The defensive mode becomes rilla hearthflame zama + one more, usually ursh.

Ursh r with mystic water and taunt tera grass seems like a good fit here, you can deal with amoonguss even more effectively now.

The tailwind mode now has insane flexibility, with ursh being able to deal with incin more effectively. I'd recommend changing to rain dance Tornadus for this too.

Good luck with the team, if there are specific matchups you need help with or the changes end up being detrimental, DM me or simply switch to your old team.

[unkempt yacht]

Alr ty!

[unkempt yacht]

Taunt over aqua jet?

[unkempt yacht]

@north tree my team seams kinda weak to peliper

My mons that can hit it take super effective damage or get blocked by wide guard

[woeful parrot]

https://pokepast.es/e72181cf0c69be31

[dire drift]

Any tips for my Miraidon team?
https://pokepast.es/7a05134e1d64d9bb

[unkempt yacht]

What about like latias over torn

Tho he gets taunted by torn and doesn’t have prankster

[distant stump]

I dont think you need that many paradox pokemon

Something like rilla hearthflame or smh would work nicer instead of gougin liligant

maybe throw in walking wake

for extra coverage

[distant stump]

Idk where to take this really

Miraidon doesen't feel like it had great synergy with any of the mons here

and I dont think any of the mons here benfit miraidon really

[dire drift]

Miraidon's been working pretty well next to Farigiraf or torn depending on the speed match up. Ice caly is kinda rough though

Any mons you'd use other than Miraidon then if none of them have synergy with it?

[distant stump]

Miraidon fig is pretty good

Though you see it on teams like this

https://pokepast.es/ef07017d2c4cd6f5

Popular mirai team

Specs has more pressure

Stuff like cornerstone with sturdy and stuff have better synergy with fig and tr, as well as miraidon

[trail quarry]

can anyone provide ev/iv spreads and nature for this team

and tera types too.

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[north tree]

^

Probably not wolfey's spreads but they work

Tera types are shown on the photo, torn is dark, caly s ghost, rilla fire, incin water, ursh water, clef water

There is currently no Clefairy spread up at the moment but maybe 252hp/140def/116spdef with a sassy nature works

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[trail quarry]

Thx

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/b84b219d6fc20583

[trail quarry]

good or not i found it on thread

made by a person with 6 badges

[distant stump]

bad

[distant stump]

Looks similar to

https://pokepast.es/75d11966a2bf33b6

this team which t8 indy

[lost phoenix]

it is

but i dont like av kyogre

[distant stump]

I think tsareena over rilla cuz prio blocking is so good

[lost phoenix]

so i ditched av and tsar

[distant stump]

Oh

[lost phoenix]

i dont need priority blocking with protect on kyogre

[trail quarry]

what u think fo zacain at s+

crowned

[lost phoenix]

i like mystic water for its ability to 2hko bolt with tera water spout into tera water opulse

im also using landorus cuz zamazenta proved to be annoying and i never brought incin

[distant stump]

It isen't

[distant stump]

Prio blocking is rly good though

[lost phoenix]

zac is pretty bad

[distant stump]

for stuff like glide tclap fake out and for urshifu and flutt

[lost phoenix]

it is but it isnt essential enough for me to give up my mirai matchup

esp with tect kyogre

[trail quarry]

yeh das what i thought

in a 2v2 it is bad

ull have to pivot out so often itnerprid sword is useful and it will be hard to setup

what u all think of this

also can u all provide a strat for this

https://pokepast.es/e4300cbcdbc84691

[lost phoenix]

doesnt play much different to other calys balance teams just deal damage get the kill on the calys check and clean with calys

[trail quarry]

yup

thats what i do

hows the team outa 10 tho

[lost phoenix]

i mean its the best a clef team gets

[trail quarry]

oh

ok

[north tree]

Taking into account originality, 6.64/10

Otherwise 8.57/10

[wild sinew]

Very old

<--- the person who made it...

[trail quarry]

ohh

its u

[wild sinew]

Indianapolis will give you better information on what's relevant

[trail quarry]

ok

thx

is smeargle viable? (if its allowed) sicne it lost dark void

[wild sinew]

But the Calyrexes, Kyogre, bikes, and Terapagos primarily

[trail quarry]

rn am using that clefairy team only

[north tree]

On some very niche teams yes

[trail quarry]

man

am getting tire

of trick room teams

@north tree

ccan u help me

im having truble countering trick room

im facing it like every game

[north tree]

If you're using the wolfey team, utilize the turn they set up trick room to get the nasty plot up, and utilize after you Clefairy well

[trail quarry]

https://pokepast.es/e4300cbcdbc84691

[trail quarry]

ok

[north tree]

+2 252 SpA Tera-Ghost Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tera-Water Calyrex-Ice Rider: 194-230 (93.7 - 111.1%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

In range of maybe fake out, glide or aqua jet

[trail quarry]

this team? https://pokepast.es/283db6e53bd95a84
top of the ladder

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[north tree]

This is a joke team, the player using it did not intend to build optimally.

[trail quarry]

wdym

oh yeas

nvm

i see the lunala build

[north tree]

He was fooling around

Horn drill quick claw is for fun

Not for consistently winning

The player himself was incredible which is why he hit the top of the ladder

And the team took off due to it's uniqueness

[trail quarry]

oh

i found a new weapon for low ladder

[distant stump]

No, this is an actual team

That they built

It was in the making for along time

[north tree]

Doesn't exactly make much of a difference

Horn drill quick claw dewgong and gloom seem to be mostly fun picks

At best they are bo1 techs

[trail quarry]

i use these 2 teams which would u prefer for reg g

https://pokepast.es/85443243189d5a77
https://pokepast.es/343d90c7bdf79203

@north tree how much do u rate the new 1st team?

[north tree]

Tera ghost > fairy on caly but fine otherwise

[trail quarry]

which one do u prefer

[north tree]

Both are pretty equal

Playstyle dependent

[trail quarry]

ur personal choice

what would u pick

also why is tera ghost better then tera fairy on caly s rider?

[distant stump]

they weren't, I read the guys team report

its a really well constructed team

it doesen't even rely on quick claw horn drill/ohko moves

its more so controling game flow with fast offensive modes at the start

[trail quarry]

since ur here choruto

can u answer my question?

[distant stump]

to close with perish stuffs and a bulky endgame

[distant stump]

what question

[trail quarry]

i wanna know ur opinion, most people prefer the 1st (amoonguss team)

[trail quarry]

this

and also why tera ghost except of tera fairy on calyrex s-rider

[distant stump]

the first team is more standard

you dont need a defensive tera if your focus sash

[trail quarry]

ok so u prefer 1st team?

and i should change tera fairy to tera ghost on caly s?

[distant stump]

ghost

[trail quarry]

and the 1st team right

[distant stump]

porbably

[trail quarry]

ok

thx

[trail quarry]

updated it now its a 10/10 https://pokepast.es/e4db1d4391daa8e4

[north tree]

Ah ok

@trail quarry ignore what I said about the team being a joke

[trail quarry]

that team didnt suit me

anyways

but thx

[cunning spoke]

is this supposed to be ranking the restricteds in reg g

[trail quarry]

yup

[cunning spoke]

ok then its bad

caly i is easily a top 2 restricted

zac is nowhere NEAR that placement (despite me liking it to an extent)

zamazenta crowned is fucking good

terapagos is higher than B+ fs, I'd personally rank it high A (prolly below Mirai tho)

[trail quarry]

the creator itself said the list is bad

[cunning spoke]

i see

for future reference questions about tier lists would be better suited to the comp general channels

[trail quarry]

ok

[trail quarry]

wdyt of this team https://pokepast.es/e4db1d4391daa8e4

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/43f7b0bb99264cbf
How's this team

[north tree]

You have 3 water types. Replace either waterpon for Chien Pao or urshifu for incineroar.

Give Tornadus covert cloak and rain dance > protect, resetting weather is important.

Gives Kyogre at least 12 speed investment to outspeed calyrex shadow in tailwind and tera grass rather than tera water to remove both your rilla and bolt weakness.

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/34643a6d77b7c647
https://pokepast.es/207ac4a18c962723
Which team is better

[north tree]

Please choose one team and ask us to rate it. Choosing between two teams is a lot more subjective and doesn't end up in very constructive feedback.

These teams play very differently

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/34643a6d77b7c647
How do I make this team better

[unkempt yacht]

https://pokepast.es/9d7018b89e57749e this team is really weak to peliper and torn what can i do to fix that

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[north tree]

if you're having trouble with those pokemon specifically, replace ogerpon-H with booster energy raging bolt.

[unkempt yacht]

That could work but i feel like fire and follow me are both important

[north tree]

you could also replace flutter mane or tornadus for the raging bolt slot.

if the fire stab is important, rain dance tornadus with the urshifu rapid strike mode hinders that so you'd rather drop torn and go for a scarf urshifu.

alternatively, you could just chop and change special attackers, flutter mane for bolt, and have a better urshifu, torn, and peli matchup

[unkempt yacht]

Yeh i like the last idea a lot i feel like follow me is p important

[unkempt yacht]

Just standard 3 attacks thuder clap, thunder bolt, draco, protect right

[north tree]

yeah

[real cedar]

they didn't rank caly-b cosmog or cosmoem terrible list

[unkempt yacht]

https://pokepast.es/f072415b29dfd671 hows this draft of a specs terap team

[mint pilot]

no they were too high on the list you can't even see them

on another note would anyone happen to have a good ev spread for the rajan miraidon team?

[trail quarry]

https://pokepast.es/c980368e675cd259

[midnight ember]

https://pokepast.es/df8bc92b9ab7fb48 lmk if theres some major issues w this

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[north tree]

• Heat crash > Fire punch on Groudon, Groudon's weight allows it to be 120bp vs a lot of major targets.

• Tera Water/Fairy on Farigiraf, you prefer defensive value.

• Shadow ball>tbolt on flutter, Stab.

• Hearthflame> venu: venu isn't very good unfortunately.

• fake out>uturn on incin and tera grass>tera water for the amoonguss immunity.

• Electroweb > discharge on raging bolt.

[trail quarry]

fixed evs n ivs to make it work with trick room

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/8860d61e8f8d505d specs turtle is funny

[midnight ember]

thank you, those were mostly mistakes bc i rushed it but ill stick with venusaur bc its just him

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/38d161b20e65e6de what should I do for tsareena

[wild sinew]

Go Adamant Shifu!

You probably want Amoonguss over Cornerstone here, more Zamazenta and Urshifu answers, the better. Not sure what cornerstone even does here tbh.

Also should let you run Tera Ghost Chi Yu either though that doesn't matter as much when you're running Terapagos

[wild sinew]

Make it a Farigiraf

[lost phoenix]

Cornerstone was mostly for threatening calyi to tera so that terapagos could early kill their restricted and also sturdy follow me is awesome

Ill make it an amoong tho since ive lost to zama more times than calyi and korai combined

[midnight ember]

About the hearthflame>venu, I see the offensive difference but how is ogerpon disrupting?

Also chlorophyll Venusaur is faster

follow me might be just as effective helping set up groudon but it can’t stop Trick room from going up etc

[wild sinew]

Ogrepon isn't a disruptor, Follow Me is generally a much better move than Sleep Powder or Helping Hand

[midnight ember]

But that’s a completely different role what makes me wanna swap?

[wild sinew]

As Insertable said, Venu isn't very good

Hearthflame helps Groudon and Farigiraf set up, and provides significantly more offensive pressure

[midnight ember]

😞

going amoongus wouldn’t work?

[wild sinew]

It's an option

[cosmic ferry]

Hey so I built this Terapagos team and it’s been doing pretty good so far. The one thing is that I don’t usually bring torn, like at all, so idk what to do with him. Any thoughts or recommendations? https://pokepast.es/4eda83509d55f99a

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild sinew]

Urshifu-R over Ogerpon-W might make it easier to bring Torn

[cosmic ferry]

What could I go for that then? I haven’t really used rapid much

[wild sinew]

Scarf Tera Water Surging CC Aqua Jet U-turn

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/9d1133c0c2c3b46d
Wanted to try a Zacian team out went with a pretty basic set with LandoT to help w/ Miraidon matchup but willing to swap it to smth else

[wild sinew]

I think an issue you have is 116 speed Zacian, going up to 156 allows you to outspeed Miraidon and not worry about the match up nearly as much.

Pelipper over Landorus-T makes Koraidon and Groudon easier to handle, and frees up Incin from having to run Tera Bug, Fairy or Ghost provide more valuable resists along with Fighting.

A very similar Zacian team did well at Stockholm so I can send that to you if you're interested.

[rapid oak]

https://pokepast.es/ab459955c2054200

Im tryna make Cinderace work optimally. And I still need to learn optimal team building. So thoughts on this?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rapid oak]

Also I’d appreciate it if someone gave me a recent guide to optimal team building basics, cuz once I got those down, I can cook with my creativity (yugioh deckbuilder, I am).

[jovial creek]

How much have you played VGC

[unkempt yacht]

https://pokepast.es/219ae12488c5b34f RMT its a cm terap double intimate team with band lando t, TW, and amoongus

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rapid oak]

Started at sw/sh, then played the first 2 regulations of violet, took a break, then came back to the last week of reg f

[jovial creek]

I'd recommend using a rental team to learn the meta first

[jovial creek]

Looks solid

The calyrex ice matchup seems a bit challenging though

[jovial creek]

Libero is probably better on cinderace and you could go specs flutter mane

[rapid oak]

I figured out the meta. It’s mostly caly shadow with Incineroar and/or indeedee right?

[jovial creek]

Calyrex shadow isn't too common

It's definitely a threat but it hasn't done well in tournaments

More of a MU check

[unkempt yacht]

Its alright if i postion good but yeh kinda iffy

[jovial creek]

Yeah that's what I thought

Terapagos vs calyrex ice is like that

[rapid oak]

My meta-meta team is kyogre + archaludon

[jovial creek]

That's a pretty good archetype

[rapid oak]

Interesting, then yeah I ain’t too sure of the meta

[unkempt yacht]

You think i can do anything about it

[rapid oak]

Yeah I used to main kyogre + torn in sw/sh

My favorite weather setter

[unkempt yacht]

Cally i is kinda not really common on ladder rn tbh

[jovial creek]

It's very common in tournaments though

Same with zamazentac

[unkempt yacht]

Yeh

I got taunt torn for zama ig

[jovial creek]

Miriadon zamazenta and calyrex ice are really common

[jovial creek]

You have amoon right

[unkempt yacht]

Yeh but ive seen some tera grass zamas recently

[jovial creek]

If they tera then they are weak to starstorm

And you have tailwind

[unkempt yacht]

Thats true yeh

I actually need to adjust my terap evs

Prob like 52 speed and rest in hp and sp attack

[rapid oak]

Yeah imma need t figure out counters to caly ice, since it’s really tanky

[unkempt yacht]

Ueshifu dark, kinggambit, zamazenta

Idk tho

[rapid oak]

Yeah I was trying libero first. Then I figured “what if I activated blaze with stab pyro ball on focus sash?”

Similar to focus sash overgrow meowscarada

[snow star]

IDK if this is a good team for Doubles OU? https://pokepast.es/8bbab25c139dfc62

[unkempt yacht]

https://pokepast.es/ca3dd8a0c306e8aa sorry ive made so many teams today all of mine were kinda outdated but this is my zama rilla chien pao offensive core

[sacred path]

I tried building a team around my favorite legendary

[real cedar]

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[drifting onyx]

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[sacred path]

Ohhh

Okay thanks

A team I tried building around Lugia https://pokepast.es/df9d73eb81dd7266

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sterile cedar]

https://pokepast.es/fcfee6dd6e16b462
Did I cook? Struggles with trick room and tailwind mirraidon

Wanted to build around the new zama + pow synergy. Opted for a more hyper offensive style than the orig team, hence oger and specs flutter. Lati keeps the offensive pressure, but more importantly gives tailwind support. Incin mainly for an intimidate and bulk. Running sub on zama to keep on the field longer since no recovery support.

[unkempt yacht]

You aint got speed control bro

And you struggle vs farig

[unkempt yacht]

If you want more HO use offensive rilla and tw

You kinda just loose to most teams if you dont have TW rn

Priority isn’t really a tw counter either with amoong and ogerpon tedirection and farig and indeedr

[sterile cedar]

Banded rilla? I just thought stacking choiced mons isn’t a great idea. And I’ve already got incin for bulky fake out

[unkempt yacht]

Idk what latios and incin really do here

[unkempt yacht]

Nah i use grassy seed

[sterile cedar]

Ok so bulky rilla, swap incin for lando maybe?

[unkempt yacht]

You dont need intimidate imo

Zama can take phisical attacks fine and there are dark types that deel with TR and stuff better

[unkempt yacht]

The team i sent before you is my version of the chien pao zama team

Rilla is one of the main core members in that team

Rilla helps a lot with mira

But im not an expert so don’t take my word for it

[frosty wadi]

https://pokepast.es/1b486c82a38c4333 how does this gdon team look, i like fast gdon to pair with flutter, the flutter lives caly-s after tera and mienshao helps with a lot of matchups like the caly-i MU, etc. i think incin and amoong are must have (max spdef amoong to always live specs mirai and help with caly-i MU+ turbo incin with will o to also help vs caly-i, raging bolt here is for caly-s mainly and kyogre while flutter is just good, the gdon set ohkos mirai and the incin set lives +2 tfairy dkiss from caly-s+amoong lives hhp - >>> lance (if u tera) + the only bad MU's are like lunala, lugia, ray and palkia (mirai/korai are bad MU's but like 55/45 for them and zama can be annoying but just burn it)

[wraith lake]

https://pokepast.es/3f8882fe1a9f9c0d just need some other opinions on this team

[rapid oak]

https://pokepast.es/47eeb0dbd882d81f

Should I use Lando or Incineroar for this?

[wraith lake]

i'd personally use lando-i for intim over incin because incin doesn't really work on rain teams (less damage on fb) and lando can hit grass types (like rillaboom) for huge chunks of damage with u-turn. Your kyogre will usually be able to finish the job against most rillabooms. lando will also be a better option to deal with waterpon

[rapid oak]

Interesting

I was experimenting with the other lando form

[wraith lake]

oh

[rapid oak]

And I was left and right thinking if I needed an intimidate user

[wraith lake]

thought you meant lando-i

[rapid oak]

Nah

[wraith lake]

the other lando form would work better than incin as well tbh

[rapid oak]

Also does rain normally struggle against caly ice?

[wraith lake]

kinda

[rapid oak]

Cuz I was prepared for the miraidon MU

[wraith lake]

your team looks like it can handle it pretty well

[rapid oak]

Archaludon is a fun mon but I’ve been barely using it nowadays

I always send like a combination of Kyogre, torn, lando, and raichu/ogrepon

[wraith lake]

that seems good

but if you do struggle with the calys i reccomend saftey goggles gambit

[rapid oak]

Also even earlier I was trying this team out with 2 forms of speed controls

With farigiraf as well instead of lando

But I didn’t have any electric coverage

[wraith lake]

farig is good but i don't think it really fits on your team

[rapid oak]

Yeah figured

[wraith lake]

unless you struggle with prio like grassy glide

[rapid oak]

Grassy glide ain’t that big to me

Torn normally gets the job done against rilla

[wraith lake]

yeah i thought so

and you have ice beam so it should be fine

[rapid oak]

I was actually considering gambit now that you mention it

I really do not wanna remove raichu for chien pao

[wraith lake]

i have a set that you could use

if you'd like

[rapid oak]

I’d appreciate it

[wraith lake]

ok give me a second

showdown is still down so i have to do it in offline mode

[rapid oak]

https://pokepast.es/ae1f8bf7b094db9a

also this is the team I use now

That link before was an old variant

[wraith lake]

yeah

looks good

evs are a little odd on waterspring imo

but it still looks good

[rapid oak]

The EVs are still experimental with water spring

Cuz I want it to be a bit more offensive

As a second rain beater

Altho idk if lando is considered as a rain beater

[wraith lake]

ah i see

lando can be ig

but can work outside of rain as well

https://pokepast.es/f60a485c9947c75e

you can use sucker punch over sd

[rapid oak]

Yeah that’s why I was thinking of replacing Ogerpon with gambit

Interesting on no max attack ev

But tbf you had swords dance

[wraith lake]

yeah

little extra spd for caly-s

[rapid oak]

Yeah imma try gambit over ogre

[wraith lake]

and goggles to be immune to guss in tr

[rapid oak]

Yeah

And spore immunity

[wraith lake]

mmhm

which was my main issue

i actually used that gambit on my caly-i team

[rapid oak]

Aight imma try this out

Ty for the advice

[wraith lake]

np!

[wraith lake]

still need opinions

[meager solar]

why tera grass on zamazenta

[wraith lake]

i didn't know what tera to use

https://pokepast.es/75cd3345d35fa774 yall aint ready for this new game breaking mon

[modest dune]

Most calyrex Ice run Clear Amulet

U can't counter it with a status decreasing move

[wraith lake]

uh

i'll get a knock off user

like incin

ez

[unkempt yacht]

https://pokepast.es/ca3dd8a0c306e8aa RMT this is my take zama rilla chien pao offensive core