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[distant stump]

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[drifting onyx]

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[distant stump]

We generally use pastes

[topaz edge]

Yea i normally use pastes i just was on my phone so i just had that on hand atm

[distant stump]

Okie

Switching Urshifu formes to Sash and adding Ursaluna BM instead of RIlla would make a pretty good trick room team

[dense nebula]

👍

[hoary marsh]

is this team good enough for reg G https://pokepast.es/562dc7043fc9ded4 any feedback would be great

[harsh zealot]

reg g caly-s centered hyper offense https://pokepast.es/42319c795b0490a5

[wild sinew]

Not really how you play Zamazenta

Use it as an Iron Defense sweeper on a bulkier team, if you're a big fan of coaching it can probably get in the last slot.

[wild sinew]

You have a lot of speed I'd recommend Urshifu-S in the Chien-Pao slot to pressure threats and get the most value out of Tailwind/Sun.

Chi-Yu prefers Tera Ghost because of how common Fake Out is, gives you flexibility in leads.

You're missing EVs on Ogerpon-H, and Caly-S appreciates 20 defense to survive Tera Water Surging Strikes when you can't get sun up. Otherwise this looks pretty good.

[woeful parrot]

Is this a good Sun team
https://pokepast.es/6e8f605ccb1ad766

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Groudon is the one that should be holding Clear Amulet, as it will be your main win condition, Gouging Fire prefers Safety Goggles to get around Amoonguss or Protectless Covert Cloak. Ofc when you choose to go Safety Goggles you'd go Tera Fairy as you don't need the Grass typing anymore.

Rock Slide isn't great, Heat Crash + Tera Fire is a deadly combo however that's ohkoing any ground immune that dares to face you. Yes you keep the water weakness but Sun mitigates that.

Tornadus should have Sunny Day instead of Rain Dance to keep sun up without the need to switch, though this can also be a Whimsicott with Encore or Fake Trears over Taunt.

I don't understand the Roaring Moon here, provides nothing for the team and something like an Incineroar or Farigiraf for your Caly I matchup makes the most sense

[rocky egret]

https://pokepast.es/0b0b75dc3c2d11a2
Just using Pikalytic's stat spreads for all of them, I think Calm Mind Mystic Water Kyogre is looking really good rn, opinions?

was thinking of changing the kyogre tera to Ghost to stop fake out

what did you use to make this graphic? it looks so cool!

[topaz edge]

Its an app on my iphone. called vgc helper

[woeful parrot]

I'll switch groudon up yeah
I thought I had sunny day on torn mb lmao
I just put moon there cuz breaking swipe / rock slide with protosynthesis would be rly strong

would maybe sash be better on flutter mane instead? or just keep specs

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/cfd76e0240c609ee

[drifting onyx]

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[dense nebula]

Wrong set on fari, fixed it

[wild sinew]

I'd say Leftovers on Kyogre with Protect over one of the Water moves is more optimal, as it helps set up more reliably. Tera Grass is better than Dragon to not hard lose to Raging Bolt.

Tera Dark is better than Ground here, getting Tailwind up vs opposing Tornadus is really important on this team and you have enough Miraidon checks.

Dragon feels eh rn, as you're threatened by the Pokemon you try to resist or Tera away from. Big fan of Ghost or Fairy, Water can also be considered here.

Tera Dark is a bit weird but fine, Amoonguss wants less speed IVs to underspeed Calyrex-Ice and shut it down with Spore under Trick Room.

[wild sinew]

Specs is fine, you could go Sash if you prefer

[rocky egret]

the main idea behind Tera Dark was for it to be immune to psychic moves, I've found a lot of psychic types brought to matches against amoongus, and its also my best counter to Calyrex-Shadow

Fair criticism of the kyogre set, I'm really just torn on whether I should use water spout for the high damage and sweep potential under tailwind or origin pulse for scenarios where I don't have tailwind up

I think that Water Spout is better on this set

[wild sinew]

Prob Origin Pulse because speed control is so common and you want to utilise Kyogre as a CM sweeper
But you have lefties G terrain and accuracy is

[rocky egret]

is there any other criticisms with maybe the movesets or EV spreads? I'm pretty new to pokemon competitive in general so I just picked some off of pikalytics lmao

anything really important to survive/KO?

also, I've seen a lot of archaludons on rain teams, do you think that it could work well on this team?

[wild sinew]

Unfortunately not, doesn't work well with Kyogre

But there aren't really problems with your moveset or EV spreads

You can take a look at the Smogon Strategy Dex for spreads of regular pokemon from Regulation F

[split matrix]

i’m like 2 wins off ladder with this terapagos team

[rocky egret]

what counters does terapagos have? I'm having a lot of trouble dealing with it

[woeful parrot]

https://pokepast.es/7d22662cb5988a22 is this better?

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

This is good

[wild sinew]

What's your current paste

[rocky egret]

https://pokepast.es/dd84efe5f12c3f23

[rocky egret]

@wild sinew

[wild sinew]

Utilize Taunt Tornadus and Spore Amoonguss

[pseudo current]

https://pokepast.es/c21d6db6d8e0792c

I feel like this will be an experience with your team based format, and I made this, I feel like every pokemon pulls their weight, every game I play with it feels better and better, however I wanted to get thoughts on what you think could possibly be improved

[harsh zealot]

https://pokepast.es/72a804fe301778f2

reg g hyper offense, though I am unsure about a few things

idk whether to run psyshock or psychic on calyrex, and while tera fairy gives good coverage, I am not sure how it compares to tera ghost

also, the dex does not explain why urshifu-s runs 4 hp and 4 spd, even though it is already sashed and there do not seem to be any relevant multi-strike special moves

also, chi-yu's ev's are designed while assuming choice specs instead of scarf as well as a ghost tera type, so I don't know if the dex ev spread will work with scarf and tera fire (I am running tera fire for the extra damage over the utility)

finally, idk how to deal with TR

please help, any feedback would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

[wild sinew]

I feel like Kyogre doesn't get enough support here to reliably click Water Spout without being outsped or hit by priority. Want to recommend trying the team with Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow. Can even make a case for dropping Shadow Ball on Flutter Mane when using it

Recommend Tera Dark over Tera Normal on Amoonguss and Rocky Helmet, keeps the good Caly S matchup except grants a Prankster Taunt immunity and actual resistances

Protectless Flutter Mane is iffy, how has it been working out?

Tornadus would want a defensive Tera too as yours doesn't seem to be offensive.

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/cfd76e0240c609ee could i get some refinement with this team? trying to work with imprisonment protect w/ bloodmoon ursa

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Tera Ghost Chi Yu would help a lot with Trick Room

Lets you click Astral Barrage Dark Pulse on Farigiraf vs Fake Out leads

[harsh zealot]

what if there is also a torn-i on the other team?

I would have to lead with torn-i myself

[dense nebula]

tera dark taunt

make yours slightly faster

[wild sinew]

So on teams with Tailwind and Trick Room?

[harsh zealot]

yes

if I don't lead torn, I could potentially lose a mon from turn 1

[wild sinew]

A lot of the time you should be able to recover

Kill the Tornadus and position your Tornadus in the back to get up late game Tailwind

[harsh zealot]

if I lead calyrex and chi-yu, and the opponent leads torn and urshifu-s/flutter mane/calyrex, I am probably going to instantly lose calyrex

[wild sinew]

Tera Fairy Astral Barrage Heat Wave looks pretty free vs all of them

[dense nebula]

if neccesary better tera's

[harsh zealot]

so tera fairy is more useful than tera ghost right?

[wild sinew]

This team is good, you'd want speed booster Flutter Mane over Gholdengo for a more flexible team though

[wild sinew]

For this team yeah

[wild sinew]

Tera Dark on Urshifu because you're Focus Sash anyway

[dense nebula]

👍

[harsh zealot]

should I run psyshock or psychic on calyrex?

[wild sinew]

Psyshock

[harsh zealot]

is it necessary to run 4 hp and 4 spd evs on urshifu-s?

[wild sinew]

I don't think so but @distant stump made the spread

[harsh zealot]

are there any relevant multistrike special moves?

[wild sinew]

Tachyeon Cutter but you either invest to live that or Surging Strikes

[harsh zealot]

urshifu is already invested to live surging strikes

[wild sinew]

Yeah that's enough

[harsh zealot]

so can I take those ev's and put them into speed instead for an extra speed point?

[dense nebula]

defensive typing for fari?

[wild sinew]

Yeah

[wild sinew]

Fairy

[dense nebula]

does it matter if flutter's also fairy

[harsh zealot]

oh, and chi-yu's speed ev's seem to have been designed for specs instead of scarf

specifically to outspeed 252 speed urshifu

which I don't think exists

[dense nebula]

farigiraf+bloodmoon and ogerpon/flutter fine as swap ins

[wild sinew]

It doesn't, can run Fairy on both

[wild sinew]

It does

Urshifu R needs 252 Scarf to outspeed Caly S

[harsh zealot]

oh ok

[wild sinew]

Scarf Chi Yu outspeeds that

[harsh zealot]

actually

I do need chi yu to outspeed caly-s so caly gets kill credit

ok, and can I also remove the 4 def and 4 spd and put them into spa?

on chi yu

is this fine? https://pokepast.es/e30d0f28981f8cab

[wild sinew]

They're meant for Urshifu and Flutter Mane but probably fine if you have sun

Btw

Torn Chi Yu is another lead into most tr stuff

Sunny Day Tera Ghost Overheat

[harsh zealot]

ty!

[pseudo current]

I found the kyogre speed problem manageable simply because of redirecting and tailwind, the tera types on torn and amoongus are odd because i am too lazy to get the tera shards in game. Flutter works decently, protect might be better but the thought is redirecting and then substitute for a free calm mind or spore if they double the next turn, i keep mental herb because of torn taunt and incin taunt, and because this team heavily relies on redirect and if they double the partner slot then i get a free spore, or i protect spore and then rage powder or out heal and damage with pollon puff

[wild sinew]

Is it manageable really

Almost every team has speed control and spread moves

[pseudo current]

I think it is manageable

I have in my opinion decent support that can help keep my main mons alive

Not to mention take massive hits from meta threats

[pseudo current]

Do you mind trying it out or giving me one of your teams?

[wild sinew]

Any restricted you want in particular

[pseudo current]

Not particularly

Just want to see your thoughts and wants for your teams when building

[wild sinew]

https://pokepast.es/7867c4519bbcbf52
https://pokepast.es/eac5c3af11fe8cf7
https://pokepast.es/a9619c76d491cf33
https://pokepast.es/cbb1063c2ccfbbc5
https://pokepast.es/507caee0029bdbe6
https://pokepast.es/adce209fca0d7791

[pseudo current]

Wow

Pretty good

Some do seem odd tho in my opinion

[pseudo current]

On the second one i feel like its too defensive, idk it might be good in testing but it just seems a bit too passive, on the third one i feel like you are very weak to intimidate, not to mention lando t kills the whole team i think, on the 4th one, why trick room, and do you have any good flutter counter play? Again, this is all just questions because i dont know how these teams did in testing or the thoughts behind them for the meta or in general

[dense nebula]

cant decide if i want to use amoongus over urshifu

[wild sinew]

That's the point of Terapagos, focus on supporting it to sweep because you want to minimise the amount your other Pokemon Tera. Last two slots are just more options into Zamazenta and other offensive Pokemon. You're not really every punished for setting up Calm Minds and protecting Terapagos.

Half of my team isn't effected by Intimidate, one of them being Kingambit ftr. The other half has Incineroar which doesn't really care either and hearthflame which Tera Fire bonks well enough. Lando T gets its choice lock abused thanks to Fake Out and Protects, can be Intimidated, is ohkod by Tera Dark Sucker Punch, Icy wind Flutter Mane.

Exactly that, Bronzong handles Flutter Mane, Sun, and Tailwind in particular, which are faster paced than Miraidon. It also prevents you from getting 4-0d by Caly I and Zacian. Also lets you afford bulky Modest Miraidon.

[real cedar]

im not gonna !pokepaste you but I think you should try and recreate this in showdown since raters can't see EVs

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/35285eb2f9140853 hows this team

[drifting onyx]

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[pseudo current]

cool, thank you for the info

Ill keep that in mind next time i build

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/2b847216b82f1f6a just got into vgc and this team is doing really well

[wild sinew]

You probably want to know that the first 4 EVs are one stat point and then 8 EVs are one stat point. So numbers like 4, 12, 20, 28 etc are EV numbers, but 8, 16, 24, 32.. aren't.

I highly recommend Amoonguss over Raging Bolt, due to its excellent offensive synergy with Calyrex-Ice. Reliably Spore everything not named Miraidon or a Grass type, but those get Glacial Lanced.

With the change Sunny Day becomes a lot more useless than Rain Dance, and then you can use Bleakwind Storm which is more threatening.

Caly-Ice really wants Attack EVs to put that much more pressure in Trick Room. If you're going to use Tornadus though, consider making your Ursaluna-BM and Calyrex-Ice faster.

[narrow dock]

What ev spread should I do for caly-i

[wild sinew]

Try 236 hp 116 attack 4 def 60 Spd 92 Spe

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/7bba889d43c60d0f is this team better

[wild sinew]

Yes

Probably Tera Fire/Water Caly

[narrow dock]

Also

Ru sure I should put rain over sunny

[wild sinew]

Electric Seed is not great as a Miraidon item, because of how present Rillaboom is. It switches in and both the terrain and Hadron Engine boosts are gone, you lose so much power but you can't switch out and in to regain them if you want to keep the boost. Magnet/Life Orb with Volt Switch and Protect is just more consistent in the last two slots.

Iron Bundle wants Icy Wind over Ice Beam, one of its best niches are that it gets a faster Icy Wind than Flutter Mane.

Tera Water is more optimal on Iron Hands, not having so many weaknesses allows it to 1v1 Caly I and not worry about Spore thanks to Electric Terrain.

Arcanine-H doesn't work as well as Landorus-T on this team. Triple ground weakness without checking Zacian or Caly-I much better. Lando-T just helps your Groudon and Koraidon matchups a lot more too.

Sinistcha is a bit eh on this team, Bronzong and Cresselia fair better into Caly I, so they can reverse Trick Room safely or play the game from there. Would recommend looking into them rather than Sinistcha.

[wild sinew]

Yeah, why?

[narrow dock]

Tho majority of my team gets nothing from rain and at least in sun, heat wave and Ivy Cudgel get a boost

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/2c1a4dac75069794 better?

[narrow dock]

Search smogon 4 better ev spreads

[wild sinew]

Rain helps your Koraidon matchup, neutralises Amoonguss and Caly fire weakness

[severe basin]

https://pokepast.es/be1bf7d133044d70

[drifting onyx]

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[woeful parrot]

https://pokepast.es/af0eb63671161b78

[distant stump]

Theres a lot of weird things here, why are you running Gholdengo and Wogerpon on a sun team? They both rly dont like sun and overlap with Korai and flutters strenghts/roles

Flutter and Raging bolt also have weird items, theres no reason to run lorb on flutter over sash/specs esp on sun where you get a proto boost. What boosts camulet protecting raging bolt from?

I would move this more to a hardcore sun team if your commited to running Koraidon, ex run hearthflame and stuff

[distant stump]

You really want to run tailwind/tornadus here, Urshifu Mienshao and Caly all really want tailwind to function, esp with mystic urshifu. Amoon and Incin look pre out of place here

Also Mienshao really needs focus sash

And dont run Tera Dark on caly s

[severe basin]

Got it. Though I will explain the amulet. I have it because i see alot of snarl being used wether it be opposing raging bolt or incins along with blocking parting shot

[wild sinew]

As Choruto said, Dark hits the same thing Ghost does, you'd benefit from Fairy or Fighting if you choose to go Tera Blast. Expanding Force is also not great without Indeedee, Psyshock or Psychic have more uses.

Farigiraf or Mienshao are probably what you replace for Tornadus, Caly-S Mienshao is really strong but you're running Focus Sash Caly-S and Urshifu already, Urshifu has better synergy with the balance core and Farigiraf so it's appealing.

[distant stump]

I mean, you see that stuff sure

But is it really worth running camulet just for that instead of another item like vest which offers more utility

You could go for groudon maybe on that team

sun but fits more with the balance style, would need to adjust a bunch of stuff tho

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/bb5908f081bf4dbb

So i heard snow is good

[drifting onyx]

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[woeful parrot]

https://pokepast.es/91c2f63df3bf680e is this better?

[fresh flicker]

It WAS good.

Back in regulation F.

Because the conditions were just right for snow to excel.

But in a snow team. DO NOT stack ice types, that makes you vulnerable to the same types. And the mons you are using are not good in the metagame.

3 are good in their own right. H-Arcanine benefits from Veil, Pao is more of a hyper offensive Pokemon. And Ninetail is solid but not great to Groudon, Kyogre, and Koraidon.

Rotom and Lapras are really shitty and don't really do anything but die in 10 seconds.

And they can't even do good damage.

AV Kyurem is decent under snow but generally you'd prefer another restricted.

What I'm saying is try other teams that are popular in the metagame. And scrap this one entirely.

An example is Calyrex-Ice Trick Room. The team style is really good.

https://pokepast.es/679cc806b49e2756
Here is an example I use.

[lost phoenix]

Snow is still good with kyurem white

Just not with 6 ice types

[woeful parrot]

https://pokepast.es/5e49f38c62abcbbf
Trick Room

[rocky egret]

I mean… putting EVs into speed on a hard trick room team isn’t something I’d usually do

[woeful parrot]

I just used Smogon ev spread tbh 😅

Could u help me change them out

[rocky egret]

Yeah I thought so

[rocky egret]

Nrn, I’m in class

Maybe later today tho

[woeful parrot]

Thx bro

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/5ce9f0c612718ea0

[drifting onyx]

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[wanton abyss]

Thanks for sharing your team! Sash Valiant generally works better with the more aggressive Miraidon sets, like life orb or specs. Also, no icy wind? With that much speed? Smh

[lost phoenix]

is there another item i could use? ive been liking valiant here to threaten/take care of scarf shifu korai oppo mirai etc

i didnt think i needed icy wind qg and wg are both too good and when i drop either stab i lose to smth

(lose to sd kingambit if i drop cc lose to flutter calys if i drop moonblast)

[sand minnow]

Ok! Tysm and sorry it took me long to reply 🙂

[wild sinew]

Lose to Gambit despite Urshifu and Screens?

252 SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Kingambit in Electric Terrain: 172-204 (83 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252+ Atk Black Glasses Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. +1 76 HP / 0 Def Miraidon through Reflect: 73-86 (39.4 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[woeful parrot]

https://pokepast.es/6b6c97e40d63b4c7
is this a little better?

[rocky egret]

oh right sorry

forgot about it

ye looks good

[woeful parrot]

Do I need to change any more evs or ivs

[woeful parrot]

?

[wild sinew]

Cresselia for Amoonguss, you don't need multiple Trick Room setters

Helps redirect for Farigiraf and is a great partner for Caly I under Trick room.

[woeful parrot]

https://pokepast.es/a542e472f5597350

do the evs and ivs look good and everything

[wild sinew]

Move 4 hp from Iron Hands to Attack and yes

[woeful parrot]

?

[wild sinew]

Move the 4 hp EVs to Attack on Iron Hands

[woeful parrot]

no i meant why

mb

[wild sinew]

Ah

248 is wasting EVs

In level 50 you start with 4 EVs per stat point and then 8 EVs for every stat point after that

So 4, 12, 20, 28, 36, 44 etc are numbers
8, 16, 24, 32 aren't

[woeful parrot]

that makes sense to me

should i put every speed ev to 0 or only the sweepers

[wild sinew]

Only sweepers

[woeful parrot]

tysm mate

[stark creek]

this is the first team ive actually built myself so lemme know what you think https://pokepast.es/158cfad5bc6f0f58

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Unfortunately the first half of Pokemon aren't viable

Farigiraf & Ogerpon have set issues

[woeful parrot]

I was thinking of switching out offensive farig for supportive
Do you think that would be better?

[woven rose]

You have a lot of offense on the team so having a little more bulk on Farig wouldn’t hurt. However you want to keep that offense for dicey situations. I wouldn’t differ it too much

Side note. Min speed Amoonguss is the play. Having the fastest spore in TR is crucial

[dawn elm]

https://t.snapchat.com/g9g0FAVW

[severe basin]

https://pokepast.es/a2750db598f79671

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Run Sagety Goggles/Sitrus Berry Incineroar, a faster non prankster Taunt is just not common. Replace Knock Off w Flare Blitz as youre playing sun and itll be much more useful. Remember to use a defensive Tera type.

Koraidon wants Outrage/Dragon Claw, when running Choice Band youre looking to pick up all the kos in the world.

Snarl over Volt Switch on Raging Bolt is ideal, a bit of a Caly S and Terapagos Scream Tail weakness otherwise

Focus Sash Flutter Mane wants to be supportive, as youre not doing much damage without any boosts. Think Icy Wind over Moonblast.

[stark creek]

oh alright

[exotic mirage]

Any advice on what can I changed for these two teams? I can barley make 1290 in rating at time.https://pokepast.es/cc3afce395f73ded
https://pokepast.es/599fb96c83eb3e01

[autumn wolf]

https://pokepast.es/64f4584e72e472c7
im aware that brute bonnet is prob not the best i just think its a silly but anything i should change

[wanton abyss]

Thanks for sharing! Your first team is lacking in protect, and your choice of coverage moves doesn’t really benefit you. The second team has a lot of Pokémon that have too similar coverage and too many similar weaknesses

[wanton abyss]

What speed are you hitting at +1

[autumn wolf]

168

its enough to get a speedboost with ability when koriadon switches in

[wanton abyss]

You get folded by Caly Ice, look into something that can actually take a glacial lance

[autumn wolf]

what would be good against caly ice? i havent played much of reg g/restricted formats

[wanton abyss]

Prayer

In reality, bulky waters help slow it down, it hates being burned, and turning off trick room makes it much more manageable

It’s very hard to knock out so expect a bit of a tug of war

[exotic mirage]

Thank you for the advice for the first team, i'll try and squeeze in some protects there, any recommendation for coverage moves? For the second team im not seeing the same coverage, I can see the similar weakness though. The only mon, I can see to remove is ryhperior but I have specifically for raging bolt. I want to remove him and replace him with something else.

[woeful parrot]

So like keep throat spray but move some evs into def/spdef?

Or just give it sitrus berry or smt like that

[autumn wolf]

also one more thing would there be better moveset for brute bonnet

[rotund fossil]

https://pokepast.es/1337059c28f85886
Continuing to attempt improvement, thoughts?

[harsh zealot]

https://pokepast.es/0d1a5e65e65ff9c5
I added imprison flutter mane to counter trick room reliably, though idk if it will work. (KO’ing them is way too unreliable, especially if both opposing mons have tr) Also, would lorb work better on caly-s than specs, and would tera fighting be better than tera fairy?

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

If you're using Sash Tornadus make it offensive with Taunt over Rain Dance, helps vs Wide Guard and the fast Taunt is one of the reasons to use Focus Sash Tornadus.

[wild sinew]

Lorb is good on Caly S yes

[harsh zealot]

lorb or specs?

[wild sinew]

I prefer Lorb but both fine

[harsh zealot]

or is either fine

ok

[wild sinew]

Try Mienshao in the Flutter Mane slot

[harsh zealot]

it can’t deal with tr though

ik i could feint a wide guard

[wild sinew]

Fake Out is strong
It can't be Faked Out itself so free to CC some tr setters

[harsh zealot]

it won’t work if I’m against 2 tr setters though

[wild sinew]

Like

Just an example

[harsh zealot]

indeedee-f + armarouge

and I saw a lunala with tr once

[wild sinew]

That's a Dark Pulse Astral Barrage matchup

[harsh zealot]

who also had wide guard

oh, and then there’s grimsnarl with light screen

[wild sinew]

Feint would be nice

I think you're just running into the issues HO has

Mienshao is prob more suited in Urshifu slot tho

[harsh zealot]

for sash right

would imprison simply not work?

[wild sinew]

Yeah

You can try Imprison

It's just never something I'd recommend, taking up 2 valuable moveslots to put a bandaid on the trick room matchup

[harsh zealot]

ok, thanks

should i switch to tera fighting?

it has a better match up against incin

[rotund fossil]

Otherwise cloak? I mostly plan to use indeedee so taunt won’t work

[wild sinew]

Taunt still works because Tornadus is a flying type
Unless you Follow Me ofc

[rotund fossil]

Ah, I see! Is it worth keeping taunt on incineroar then or should I switch to soemthing like snarl?

[wild sinew]

I'm a fan of Fake Out

You won't bring Indd every game and it's one of the best moves in the game

[rotund fossil]

Good point! Any advice for a VGC first timer?

[wild sinew]

Anything specific you're looking for?

[rotund fossil]

I’ve watched a lot of play trying to get ready but am not as familiar with the restricted formats, anything to be wary of or do they mostly play like other formats?

[wild sinew]

The teambuilding process is the biggest change

You have to build around your restricted Pokemon and there end up being 10+ very different viable teams, kind of a matchup fish format because you can't account for everything

[rotund fossil]

Do you think my pseudo psyspam will be able to hold up? I’ll definitely have to adjust EVs for the increased power level but otherwise do I just need to jump in and see what happens?

[wild sinew]

yep

[verbal cove]

https://pokepast.es/5a9cbfdc1e7578a2 hows this team

[drifting onyx]

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[north tree]

• Calyrex Ice and Ursaluna-Bloodmoon should both have a lot more speed investment, preferably max to take advantage of tailroom. In calyrex's case, 252 speed with a jolly nature outspeeds calyrex shadow and scarf urshifu under tailwind and 252 speed with a modest nature on Ursaluna Bloodmoon outspeeds Flutter Mane and Iron Bundle not applying protosynthesis and quark drive into speed respectively. With these pokemon, 252/252 spreads are optimal for the team.

• Calyrex-Ice should have trick room over swords dance, your team only has Farigiraf to set trick room otherwise which could prove problematic. Swords dance is usually something you will not get time to achieve.

• Tornadus having sunny day and heat wave is an interesting idea, but bleakwind storm is a much better move. I don't see why sunny day is used, maybe a kyogre answer but tera dragon calyrex and amoonguss seem to be ok into kyogre. Instead of sunny day, perhaps protect, icy wind, or scary face could be options. If your kyogre matchup seems hopeless though, then sunny day is a perfectly reasonable move.

• Farigiraf wants helping hand over protect, imprisoning protect is a cool concept, but helping hand with calyrex ice and bloodmoon and potentially even tornadus spamming spread moves is a huge asset that can be irreplacable.

[stark creek]

redesigned my team and i believe its much better now but might need some tweaks https://pokepast.es/9b5f3f45c8820659

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/cfea74d575d6b678 this is an updated version of the vgc team I uploaded

[drifting onyx]

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[sand minnow]

hold on miraidon should have zap plate

https://pokepast.es/a89b4bead15e65c4

[narrow dock]

I have a question

If I reset my game in front of caly-ice will its ivs change

[wild sinew]

Specs Bundle isn't great, you want Protect and Icy Wind to reliably support Miraidon. Focus Sash is where you want to look.

Incin wants more physical defense investment on Assault Vest as you have the special side covered very well

Iron Defence is better than Helping Hand on Bronzong to make it a threat and more reliably beat Zacian.

Flutter Mane is better off with a Specs set, without Icy Wind you're not really worried about outspeeding everything.

Sinistcha kind of overlaps with Bronzong here and you have very limited ways of damaging Rillaboom, which is one of Miraidon's best checks. This makes Follow Me Ogerpon-H the ideal Grass-type for this slot.

[north tree]

• Replace Tera Ice for Tera ghost on bundle, u-turn for protect and Choice specs for life orb. This offers more consistency.

• Bronzong should have gyro ball over heavy slam, it's not particularly heavy and you still ko flutter mane while having a general better stab vs the metagame.

Apart from that, whatever Luna said

[dense nebula]

anything that needs changed? (besides tera fighting on urshifu)

[lost coral]

Are you all rating just Reg f teams? Or can you all also rate a Reg G team?

[wild sinew]

We can rate both

[wild sinew]

Your Urshifu is Tera Dark which is good, nothing jumps out to me as needs changing no.

Ghost Bloodmoon is interesting but has its values

[dense nebula]

Kinda forgot fari is immune to fake out

Got a better defensive typing?

[wild sinew]

It usually goes normal to delete everything
Grass is what I prefer for defensive, primarily for Amoonguss.

[north tree]

Tera dark or tera stellar is actually better than tera fighting on urshifu.

Flutter Mane should have moonblast over tbolt.

Tera normal bloodmoon instead of ghost especially with farigiraf.

Farigiraf set looks off, imprison tr protect isn't really necessary just run hyper voice throat spray and transfer goggles onto incin with tera ghost if you want. Or drop protect for psychic and imprison for helping hand to power up ursaluna to stupifying levels.

[dense nebula]

Ive never seen anyone use stellar urshifu

[dense nebula]

Alrighty, will do

[lost coral]

Hi can you all rate this regulation G team? https://pokepast.es/f76fbb1b8dcdfb35

[drifting onyx]

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[austere wasp]

Thats the good replacement on the 222 gj

Would recommend tera blast over draining tho

[lost coral]

Are you referring to the Calyrex? I will do that!

[distant stump]

This is probably fine for a 2-2-2 copy, but I would definetly run more bulk on Chi Yu and maybe Specs as you have no speed control to just outspeed and blast targets

Adamant Dragonite is preffered, then for Dondozo, your wasting a lot of evs

I assume your using level 100 for ur mon evs, in vgc everything is auto set to lvl 50

where evs are in multiples of 8 +4

Bream (Dondozo) @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Unaware
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 4 HP / 156 Atk / 20 Def / 76 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Wave Crash
• Order Up
• Earthquake
• Protect

What I like on my dozo

[lost coral]

I like that! Thanks for the recommendation!

[woeful parrot]

whats the best miraidon set?

[wanton abyss]

Using Koraidon instead

[distant stump]

Specs or Covert Cloak

Specs is far more popular

[woeful parrot]

thank you

i was deciding between spec, lorb, and cm leftovers

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/8c432f2cca53b7bd
https://pokepast.es/6d3a94a653174a6d
Which team is better

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

I prefer the 2nd

[topaz edge]

https://pokepast.es/40675da96640ab84 Don’t have any experience with Calyrex-S so if this team has major issues please let me know

[north tree]

• Throat Spray>Helmet on Farigiraf and shadow ball> psychic to hit opposing caly s

• Perish song on primarina should be switched for maybe calm mind with a leftovers set to take advantage of grassy terrain and two fake out mons. Tera normal may be good for this set.

• Enamorus can be swapped for an ursaluna bloodmoon, enam itself is just not a very good mon. Life orb bloodmoon frees up assault vest to be used on Rillaboom too. Your amoonguss matchup can be covered with goggles incin.

Not too certain how good the team as a whole is but best to test it out and see what works, nothing can be crossed out or known for certain at this stage in the metagame

[north tree]

First seems more solid if piloted correctly

[halcyon smelt]

https://pokepast.es/d9aca4eda67de051 what do we think gents

[halcyon smelt]

yea id say team 1

[wild sinew]

This is good

I'd say Follow Me is ideal on Hearthflame as it's a Fairy resist, lets Koraidon click Flare Blitz and Raging Bolt set up a lot easier. Don't exactly need Wood Hammer when you have Rillaboom.

With Follow Me your Amoonguss match up becomes strong and Kingambit can get away with Black Glasses and even Tera Dark puts so much pressure on the otherwise difficult Caly-I.

Sash Flutter doesn't need any bulk, you're able to go Max speed for the most value from Icy Wind here.

[halcyon smelt]

thanks, its always the weirdest type match up for me the (fire res fairy type) is just mega weird but yea i totally agree with ur points

[north tree]

Along with the points Luna made, U turn can be considered over high horse power on rilla to let koraidon position easier.

Your caly s mu still seems rather annoying even with gambit and flutter so I suggest tera normal raging bolt to simply take advantage of caly s and use it as fodder for setting up calm minds.

[spice raft]

https://pokepast.es/5bb6e74e0c5affa5 How's this one

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[halcyon smelt]

If I don't take HH on rilla my ability to remove incin is then limit to either setting up RB or getting a collision course off on koreidon but maybe ur right and I'll give it a go, I do think the tera normal raging bolt could be interesting and I'll try it

[north tree]

I don't think incin is a huge problem but if it ends up getting too much with uturn rilla revert to hhp

[north tree]

AV arch with draco meteor as last move, power herb isn't the most useful considering rain gives you the charge turn removal anyway.

Tornadus over bonnet, can reset rain and provide speed control

[halcyon smelt]

The constant pivoting with incin has been mega annoying in ranked that's why I made the change but it could just be a skill issue and I can possible just make due with koreidon

[north tree]

Oh an dengo might want metal coat and tera normal

[north tree]

Uturn does give you the ability to play around incin as well

Rather than chipping with hhp you get a free switch into korai to pressure incin

Then you uturn back into rilla

The concept is similar to incin rilla pivoting or singles voltturn but more offensive

[halcyon smelt]

True unless caly s is already out then I'll be constantly taking poke as I do that

[north tree]

Mhm

Gl on ranked mate

[spice raft]

What Item should I choose instead of power herb?

[north tree]

Assault vest

AV is an abbreviated way of saying assault vest

[spice raft]

In that case what do I put on Kyogre since AV is already on it

[north tree]

Choice scarf, mystic water or choice specs

On mystic water sets run protect instead of either ice beam or thunder

[spice raft]

I'll probably run Choice Specs since I've already got the Mystic Water on Basculegion

[north tree]

👍

[haughty crag]

https://pokepast.es/4751c1336af98800 I did a kyogre team and its not working at all

[half timber]

Good spread for caly ice? It has basic set, clear amulet, glacial, TR, protect and high horse.

[lost phoenix]

kyogre needs much more support and synergy to not be outclassed in this regulation so here are a few core tips

• kyogres best damage boosting item is mystic water in tandem with mystic water, life orb lessens kyogres longevity and lessens the power of water spout upon consecutive use
• one of kyogres best synergies is landorus incarnate, giving it a 101% accurate sandsear storm upon switch in and helping kyogre against electric types (namely raging bolt and miraidon)
• kyogre has a few bad matchups, namely rillaboom, ogerpon wellspring, terapagos, and koraidon, and you do not adequately cover for any of these matchups so,
  make your tornadus covert cloak with taunt and rain dance. this helps a lot against screens, terapagos, and koraidon. use the dex spread as it is fine
  make your raging bolt assault vest, while this does make you a bit weaker into ogerpon wellspring, it vastly increases your options into common pairings such as indeedee-f calyrex-s, and ogerpon wellspring terapagos. also helps against nasty plot gholdengo which can be troublesome if it has tera to resist water like dragon
  use landorus incarnate instead of amoonguss for the aforementioned reasons
  this comp leaves you weak to opposing landorus incarnate, so i advise on running urshifu rapid strike or ogerpon wellspring instead of urshifu single strike. if you go with scarf on urshifu rapid, you may keep incin, but farigiraf is also a good option in its slot to provide a second way of speed control and a more solid check to calyrex-s + mienshao.

[stark creek]

made this reg f team and it might need some tweaks https://pokepast.es/95f66a911906db3a

[dawn frost]

https://pokepast.es/5bc755e9cdc7adc7
this is my first ever doubles team, u guys think its gonna work?

the evs all over the place

[north tree]

You can run a rapid strike choice scarf urshifu instead of ogerpon and a calm mind raging bolt instead of regidrago and the 6 will be ok. This frees up assault vest for archaludon. I'd recommend getting sets and spreads from the dex page

[drifting onyx]

VGC24 Regulation F (Gen 9)

• Sample Teams
• Viability Rankings
• Speed Tiers
• Metagame Discussion Thread
• C&C Reservation Thread
• VGCPastes Repository
• Discord
• Pokémon Showdown! Room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[north tree]

Dex page at the bottom

[dawn frost]

ty

i js did drago cuz i like it but i can switch it out

and arent arch and bolt a lil too similar

i feel like they do similar things other than priority clap

[north tree]

• flutter mane wants tera fairy, booster spa and dazzling gleam over thunder wave. Take a spread from dex sets.

• Take farigiraf spread from dex sets and protect > helping hand.

• Hearthflame should have follow me ivy cudgel wood hammer spiky shield and spread seems ok.

• Iron Hands wants clear amulet with close combat fake out wild charge heavy slam dex spread.

• Sorry, palafin is a worse urshifu rapid strike on this team get a mystic water urshifu set from dex spreads.

[north tree]

You could switch one for flutter then

[dawn frost]

alr

ty

[small basin]

Hey all, not sure how to get this to work -- is there a Reg G out yet? I want to get a sample team to try out -- I'm not so hot at teambuilding and just want something that works, then I can tinker with it

[drifting onyx]

Unrecognized tier; please choose one from the list

[wild sinew]

Unfortunately not yet

[small basin]

Okay! Thanks for letting me know. 🙂 I'll look around for teams elsewhere for the time being - unless anyone here is aware of a good place to start?

[wild sinew]

My dms are open if you trust me
Tho there are probably tons of videos with teams already

[plush bluff]

is this okay?

Raging Bolt @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
IVs: 20 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Thunderclap
• Protect
• Draco Meteor

[wild sinew]

Dragon Pulse is better to not lose your Calm Mind Boosts, Tera Fairy + Leftovers helps you set up more reliably. But you could also just put Thunderbolt over CM since that synergises with the rest of the set.

Better to ask this in one of the comp general channels as this is for rating full teams

[sand minnow]

I think i may have something but i dont mind some tips
https://pokepast.es/f5e18b67f6a37933

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Certainly a team

[plush bluff]

I need tips to improve this two teams
https://pokepast.es/4f6dc5e1320e4db1
https://pokepast.es/2fc11db0f13abd21

[wild sinew]

Team 1:

Replace Raging Bolt for Landorus, your opposing Raging Bolt and Landorus match up is far from great. Sabdsear storm being 101% in rain makes Landorus really strong under it.

Archaludon wants Body Press over Protect as you have Assault Vest, and Tera Fairy/Grass is better so you aren't Earth Power food. Why Rash and not Modest?

Your Pelipper wants Max speed and Tera Ghost, what is bulk going to do on a Focus Sash Pokemon.

Urshifu-R wants bulk EVs and Tera Water/Poison/Steel to better take on Flutter Mane.

Rillaboom kind of overlaps here and struggles to reliably pivot with the core without AV. And Amoonguss' Fairy resist + Pollen Puff are invaluable qualities for Archaludon.

Team 2:

This is kind of just Zombi's team with Urshifu so take Insertable's advice above.

[unkempt anvil]

https://pokepast.es/433dafd06af2c756

I decided to do something very stupid. Is this remotely useable?

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Actually yes

As long as you're willing to change the unserious Korai set

[unkempt anvil]

Wait really?

My genius terrifies me

[wild sinew]

Yeah

Some minor changes but most of the mons are good

[unkempt anvil]

Any idea on what I should do for Korai?

[wild sinew]

Koraidon is better off with an actual set like Band, Scarf, Loaded Dice, or Clear Amulet. Clam can go for Swords Dance Low Kick if you wanted to play that.

Gouging Fire makes 4 Dragon types which is simply not great, Koraidon is already a nuke without boosts and the other two have specific values, so you'd want to replace Gouging Fire. This can be with Farigiraf or Tornadus to get some speed control, mandatory in Regulation G.

You don't have any status to actually use Hex on Flutter Mane, might as well use Taunt for Trick Room or Icy Wind to roll over slower teams depending on which speed control option you pick. Flutter Mane needs to be Timid regardless to reliably put pressure in the mirror, vs Miraidon, and Calyrex-Shadow

Raging Bolt is better off with Assault Vest here, you don't want multiple set up pokemon with the limited support you have.

[unkempt anvil]

Do you think whimsicott could work for speed control?

[unkempt anvil]

Changed the team up following your suggestions. Wake and Ogerpon remain unchanged

[distant stump]

If ur full commiting to ho

You can prolly run Chi Yu and smh else

Something to threaten flutter

[unkempt anvil]

Who could I replace with Chi Yu? I'm thinking Ogerpon, but maybe Bolt

[distant stump]

Dont you only have 4 mons

[wild sinew]

Wake and Firepon last

[unkempt anvil]

Wake and Ogerpon. Those 4 are just the ones I changed following Luna's suggestions

[wild sinew]

Looks good btw, recommend Outrage Koraidon and Draco Meteor on Bolt but Dragon Pulse is fine

[sand minnow]

Kyogre rain team with himshao
https://pokepast.es/4201b18da9fd639f

I just spam ev spread

Thought will fix it later still don't know how to

[unkempt anvil]

https://pokepast.es/d07dcaa4facc4374

Here's the team after some tweaks and changes, though I'm thinking about following Choruto's suggestion and replacing someone for Chi-Yu. Best I could find was this scarf set from smogon, though I might run specs if changing mane to Scarf is more advantageous

[drifting onyx]

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[north tree]

This looks good, your caly s and caly I matchups looks slightly weak though. Chiyu looks ok here and if you were to change flutter's item to fit in a specs variant give flutter mane a focus Sash.

[wild sinew]

Mienshao isn't really doing anything here, Fake Out helps set up Trick Room but then it becomes dead weight, and while Wide Guard is useful, it's never worth an entire teamslot.

Rillaboom has Fake Out and answers Miraidon much better than Ice Spinner can, while also being bulky and mid speed to take better advantage of Trick Room.

I recommend using the sliders, you're currently wasting EVs on many Pokemon

[umbral crystal]

I havent touched vgc since reg C so ive been trying to catch up on current information for about 2 weeks now and came up with this team, I'm looking for any and all input

Is there a way to squeeze Body Press into Archeludons kit?

Ive also seen some people running Rock Tera Rock Slide on Sneasler is that worth loosing SD?

I was running 12 speed + Jolly on Annihilape so that under Tailwind I can out speed Scarf Urshi? But it looks like the general consensus is no one runs min maxed Urshi anymore?

https://pokepast.es/fb0804b30c375664

[balmy valley]

Are you building for Reg F or G

oh F

[umbral crystal]

F I hope I can adapt this play style to G

[balmy valley]

well sad to say Archaludon isn't good outside of Rain

Sneasler Psyspam is viable (kind of?)

[umbral crystal]

I don't even know where to alter for G, maybe kyogre + elector shot?

[balmy valley]

yeah Kyogre Archaludon Tornadus is totally viable

the cookie cutter template is
Kyogre Tornadus / Archaludon / Amoonguss / Incineroar / last mon

[umbral crystal]

Would I drop ape for kyogre?

[balmy valley]

yeah Whimsicott Annihilape isn't viable

it gets killed too fast

[umbral crystal]

Even with this bulky spread?

[balmy valley]

yeah Calyrex-Shadow existing is not good

[umbral crystal]

I was hoping for some beat up synergies as well as self proc Defiant if need be

[umbral crystal]

:/

I forget about the horses

[balmy valley]

yeah lol you get blown up by Astral Barrage before you can even move

[umbral crystal]

I guess a forced Terra :/ or don't bring ape if they have spect

Damn that things 145/130

Goofy as hell

Thanks for that tip ill definitely have to practice alot more

[balmy valley]

not Spectirer

[drifting onyx]

Calyrex-Shadow (Gen 9)

Typing

Psychic / Ghost

Abilities

0: As One (Spectrier)

Base Stats (BST: 680)

100 / 85 / 80 / 165 / 100 / 150

Weight

53.6 kg (80 BP)

Gender Rate

Genderless

[balmy valley]

it has 165 / 150!!!

[umbral crystal]

Aint that banned?

[balmy valley]

not in Reg G

[umbral crystal]

Holy hell

Oh yeah

Power creep is ridiculous huh...

How did people deal with it last gen? I did enjoy the vgc with 1 mythic allowed last gen with my Zygarde team (why the fuk ain't Zygarde in the game but zek resh AND KYREM are)

[balmy valley]

you dealt with Calyrex-S by dynamaxing, taking over 50%, and clicking max quake

LOL

and with Incineroar

[umbral crystal]

Is Tera Dark going to be a thing just to survive?

[balmy valley]

but oh look now there's no dynamax to sponge hits and oops they gave it Tera Blast and Draining Kiss

[balmy valley]

nah. it has tera blast fighting or fairy

people run Tera Normal Calyrex-S though to win mirrors

[distant stump]

It’s a good Mon fs but not like unbeatable in any sense of the word

Bulky pivots like incin rilla are good into it

Fast options like shifu tw zacian

I’d also strong

[umbral crystal]

How can urshi compete with its speed?

[distant stump]

You just have to play well into it

Choice scarf at max speed adamant outspeeds caly s by 1 point

So u can twater surging

[umbral crystal]

Ah!

[distant stump]

To ohko

[umbral crystal]

So ill prob see min maxed urshis again?

[distant stump]

Torn tailwind is also good

Same as icy wind stuff

I run max max but you’ll prolly still see 156 adamant urshifu

Attack wise

With some investment into hp and spedef

[umbral crystal]

Gotcha

If I want to run ape still hypothetically I'll need 12 speed in Tailwind hmm

222 speed is a nutty threshold to deal with

Anyone got tips on Archeludon?

Should I just run AV or is the Focus Energy set worth it? I loved Steel tera + Focus Energy Hydreigon several seasons ago

[wild sinew]

Unfortunately too frail to make it work

220 SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 244+ SpD Archaludon: 117-138 (59.3 - 70%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Actually calc is a bit better with that bulk

But underwhelming damage even after the set up and you're ofc really slow

4 SpA Archaludon Flash Cannon vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane on a critical hit: 128-152 (89.5 - 106.2%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
4 SpA Archaludon Draco Meteor vs. 188 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt on a critical hit: 198-234 (88.3 - 104.4%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
4 SpA Archaludon Draco Meteor vs. 236 HP / 124+ SpD Incineroar on a critical hit: 118-139 (59 - 69.5%) -- 75% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

[umbral crystal]

Any recommendations for Arch replacement, now that I'm practicing it NEVER feels good to take him. Only 1 game where I turn 1 beat up into Arch for a 3x damage body press into Heatran did it feel good

Preferably something to synergize with Whims

I love how Whim + Ape feel together

I tried the AV set for Arch and it's even worse honestly

It might not be bad but it's not working within the team I made :/

[wild sinew]

I'm not the biggest fan of WhimsApe in general but can do Landorus, takes advantage of Tailwind and Fake Tears.

[umbral crystal]

!

Thanks!!

Will do

[fresh steeple]

https://pokepast.es/5747ed812cdfdd61

cosmic power etern, help/feedback appreciated

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[umbral crystal]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2109514484 wait how was Lando faster?????

I had tail wind up....

Omg the speed drop!

I'm dumb

[sand minnow]

Before mienshao I thought about rillaboom but then I remember I should try something new and that EVs spreading is just spam idk how to give spread EVs

[normal tiger]

Hi i will have pokemon vgc tournament with friends 2010 rules and want to ask on opponions on my team. Should i send text here or screenshot

[north tree]

Can you use poke paste?

[normal tiger]

I Have no idea what IT Is 😅

[umbral crystal]

Pokepaste, Google it and it should be the first site @normal tiger

I think it is or was .es

Pokepast.es

[umbral crystal]

I had mixed results with Lando, im trying bloodmoon rn. Is there any pokemon I can outspeed without a minus in speed nature (with wind that is)

Should be 142 speed with max IV

[normal tiger]

Yeah i Have it

[umbral crystal]

Build your team in showdown and use the extract text function at the top right

[normal tiger]

Should i post link here

[umbral crystal]

And extract to pokepaste

Yes post the link

[normal tiger]

I have done it

https://pokepast.es/4a318506e3179e80

We agreed on not using to much tryhard team comps

[umbral crystal]

Specs on Ramp?

[normal tiger]

First time building own team

Didnt know what to give him hard stone?

[burnt surge]

isn't 2010 a double restricted meta?

[normal tiger]

We have our own rules but we use 2010 format for building

[umbral crystal]

Spec is only for sp attack 👀

[normal tiger]

should i post here our rules? So u know

[umbral crystal]

Prob

[burnt surge]

I mean if it's ur own rules I don't particularly care

but your teambuilding makes 0 sense

[normal tiger]

Battle Rules
• Double Battles (2v2)
• Best of 3 fights (if we have enough time)
• Bring 4 pokemon only into each battle (but prepare a team of 6)
• Share pokemon teams (ONLY NAMES) to other players
• 45 seconds to decide on move/action in battle
• No using items in battle (except held items)

Team Building Rules
• Set in Generation 4 (so no hidden abilities & gimmicks like Mega-Evolution, Dynamax, etc.)
• 5 pokemon with maximum Base Stat Total of 555
• 1 pokemon that can be above 555 BST but max 600 BST. Anything above 600 is banned. (Legendaries, Mythicals, & Pseudo-legendaries up to 600 BST allowed.)
• Cannot have the same pokemon multiple times in your team
• Pokemon levels set to 50 or lower
• Set IVs for all stats to 31
• Can teach any moves learned by the pokemon in gen 4 (including leveling up, TM, Breeding, & Move Tutors)
• Can use any held items that exist in gen 4 (exception: Soul Dew)
• All pokemon must have different held items from each other

Special Rules
• Endeavor (move) is banned
• Only 1 One-Hit K.O move (OHKO for short) on the entire team (Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Sheer Cold)
• Try not to use too much VGC metagames so everyone can have fun!

[burnt surge]

so this looks like the 2009 metagame but with extra constraints

I guess Dragonite and Tyranitar are technically legal

[umbral crystal]

Last bullet point is kinda cringe

[burnt surge]

just like

[normal tiger]

yeah they are legal

[burnt surge]

use a rain team

[umbral crystal]

Or ttar sand

[burnt surge]

you can't build around sand in dpp

[umbral crystal]

Oh wait you can't have gar and ttar

It's set to 50 tho

Not like the old rules

[burnt surge]

yeah the rain abusers are usually below 555

[normal tiger]

I want to keep gengar in team at any cost i stated i will use it against one frined

[umbral crystal]

Run specs gengar I'd assume?

[normal tiger]

I have leftovers on him rn cuz i run curse destiny bond thunder perish song i build him as troll mon

[umbral crystal]

That's ass

[burnt surge]

Gengar in VGC is ass

it's too frail

[umbral crystal]

It's weird ur asking for build help with troll sets

[burnt surge]

ok so

[normal tiger]

Im i wanted to ask if it can work basically i would say

[burnt surge]

no

[umbral crystal]

No

[burnt surge]

my thoughts are that the team in its current state are just a bunch of mons thrown together without consideration for any synergy

[normal tiger]

And one tactic is Metagross expolsion and gengar have immunity to it

[umbral crystal]

So non stab suicide?

[burnt surge]

that is like

the only tactic that you have

staraptor and rampardos make the least sense of the mons here

[normal tiger]

What would u recomend then?

I dont want use too much meta game

[burnt surge]

you said you wanted to play with crobat

erm

[umbral crystal]

Wing it than brother

[burnt surge]

gengar

I was thinking dpp tailwind setters

but yeah build around gengar, don't just slap it onto a team

because it needs support to do well

[normal tiger]

I have tailwind on staraptor and gliscor rn

[umbral crystal]

If it's 2010 doesn't it still have levitate?

EQ spam maybe

[burnt surge]

yeah but neither of them are good tailwind setters

[umbral crystal]

Would be ALOT better than suicide

[burnt surge]

let's start with gengar's item

it's very frail, so I think a focus sash would work well here

and the offensive coverage of shadow ball and focus blast work well here

[normal tiger]

But focus sash in gen 4 works differently doesnt it?

[burnt surge]

no

[umbral crystal]

I don't think so

Still single use

[burnt surge]

if the mon is at full hp and it would be koed by a move

it is left at 1 hp

[normal tiger]

Oh i mistake it with sturdy

[burnt surge]

gengar has quite a large movepool actually

I think protect is a must on this thing

[umbral crystal]

Willowisp too for ggar

It's fast enough to cripple other attacks even if it dies

[burnt surge]

and the last can either be destiny bond (which I think is not the worst) or icy wind for speed control

also hits dragons

which would you prefer?

[normal tiger]

And doesnt perish song works in 3v2 scenerio?

[umbral crystal]

Shadow ball, focus blast, willow Wisp, icy wind maybe?

[burnt surge]

perish song does work

but you can't really support it with shadow tag pokemon that well

considering it's only wobbuffet

[burnt surge]

you want protect

gengar is so frail

and you can use intimidate if you want to deal with physical attackers

[umbral crystal]

To each their own I guess, tho I definitely agree with protect

[umbral crystal]

Perish trapping requires MASSIVE prep

[burnt surge]

@normal tiger anyway I would recommend either icy wind or destiny bond on gengar

Ability: Levitate  
Level: 50  
EVs: 4 HP / 4 Def / 244 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Shadow Ball  
- Focus Blast  
- Protect  
- Icy Wind / Destiny Bond```

can also go modest or with more bulk but I don't feel like calcing

[umbral crystal]

I tried playing a team with that on regulation B or C and wow is it hard/awkward to use right

[normal tiger]

I will go by destiny bond

[burnt surge]

ok

now, you want a pokemon that helps deal with gengar's weaknesses

which Pokemon beat gengar?

[umbral crystal]

Icy winds good too for speed control

Which doesn't

[burnt surge]

normal, dark, and steel types

so, a good fighting type is great to support gengar with

and the best fighting type in the format is hitmontop

[umbral crystal]

I love top supportish

If only I had my ancient sets

[burnt surge]

after fake out and close combat, you have many many options for hitmontop

ok it seems like wide guard and quick guard aren't in the game yet

no worries

you still have a deep movepool beyond them

[umbral crystal]

Sucker?

[burnt surge]

protect, sucker punch, helping hand, and rock slide are some of the options you can pick from

[umbral crystal]

Everything and their grandma has access to toxic too

[burnt surge]

toxic isn't good in vgc

unless you're building a defensive team

[umbral crystal]

It's in a recommend set so idk

[burnt surge]

but this guy isn't

[normal tiger]

Could galade work?

[umbral crystal]

No clue what the dp meta game looks like sry

[umbral crystal]

Top is a support your team would appreciate

Different roles

[burnt surge]

Ability: Intimidate  
Level: 50  
EVs: 244 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 4 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Fake Out  
- Close Combat  
- Detect  
- Helping Hand / Sucker Punch```

Probably go with something like this

[burnt surge]

Idt it would; it doesn't work as well with Gengar since it stacks bad matchups into opposing Ghost-types while Hitmontop also has intimidate

[normal tiger]

I dont want use top meta games mons too much cuz others probably wont so its fair so like decent options r ok

[burnt surge]

you're using gengar

it needs the help

[umbral crystal]

Top as a support aint game breaking either

[normal tiger]

Okey i see so gengar is like f tier something like that?

[umbral crystal]

It's just consistent

[umbral crystal]

Yeah :/

Squishy

[burnt surge]

hitmontop isn't a monster that crushes everything in its path like metagross or something

it's just a very nice support pokemon

[normal tiger]

Okey

[umbral crystal]

Id still recommend an EQ spammer instead of Ramp

You got birds and ggar

[burnt surge]

True, Gengar does pair nicely with EQ users

Idt you want to use Staraptor

rn we're building a new team around gengar

[umbral crystal]

Give us some prefered ground type pokemon @normal tiger

Since you don't want it to be "meta"

[normal tiger]

Let me check

[burnt surge]

anyway, I would tell you to use Garchomp but since pseudo legendaries are now a constraint we can explore our options

[normal tiger]

Flygon? Its part dragon

[burnt surge]

basically your only options are Flygon aka worse Garchomp or Swampert

I'd probably go Swampert since you can run a special set that ignores Intimidators

though then you may have a coverage concern

[umbral crystal]

Id leant to flyagon

[burnt surge]

I personally lean Swampert

[umbral crystal]

Since chomp is very meta

[burnt surge]

since it's great at taking down a lot of pseudo-legendaries

which your opponents may gravitate toward as their >555 mon

[umbral crystal]

I retract my recommendation

Why is Flyagon BST so low lmao

Swamp > Fly

[normal tiger]

So EQ swamp protect and?

[umbral crystal]

Surf?

Waterfall?

Not sure

Ice punch for dragons too

[normal tiger]

And full atk and speed?

[umbral crystal]

Na id imagine Bulk with leftovers

Its got a decent tying and good natural bulk

[normal tiger]

I see

[umbral crystal]

Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs:
Adamant Nature

• Earthquake
• Waterfall
• Ice Punch

[burnt surge]

16 speed doesn't work

nor does 240 hp

I also would lean special

since you don't have to deal with intim

[umbral crystal]

It's point was to be an EQ spammer no?

[normal tiger]

Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Protect
• Earthquake
• Waterfall
• Ice Punch

This?

[umbral crystal]

Id say it would work decently

[burnt surge]

EQ or EP both work fine

[umbral crystal]

Bummer you don't get swift swim

[normal tiger]

Should i use grass water fire core?

[umbral crystal]

Idk the speed tiers are in DPP but maybe icy wind ggar into slightly faster swamp eq spam could be a thing

Ud have to do math's

🫠

[normal tiger]

I dont know how to calc speed in pokemon

[umbral crystal]

Well ur at 3 mons now so that's good

They share some synergies too

[burnt surge]

Ability: Torrent  
Level: 50  
EVs: 244 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 4 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Earthquake  
- Waterfall  
- Ice Punch  
- Protect```

I'd use this

[normal tiger]

Ok

What about grass type to prevemt sleep?

[umbral crystal]

👌

[normal tiger]

Sleep spore

[umbral crystal]

What even has spor in dpp

Smeargle

Prasect + Shroomish lol

I guess Brelooms

But that's about it

[normal tiger]

So no need

[umbral crystal]

Yeah I don't think bre can even afford to run spore?

Especially since it doesn't have poison heal

[normal tiger]

Okey

[umbral crystal]

Some one might bring it but if you have speed Control you'll be fine

[normal tiger]

As fire magmortar with flame body?

[umbral crystal]

Like icy wind into ice punch id imagine would be enough

Is eviolite in the game?

[normal tiger]

No

[burnt surge]

Grass types are not immune to sleep powder/spore in dpp

[burnt surge]

eviolite is not in dpp

[normal tiger]

Its gen V

Eviolite

[umbral crystal]

Ah also looks like magmar doesn't get follow me back than either (if the move even existed back than) so disregard

[burnt surge]

magmar does have follow me

[umbral crystal]

Seen a few people running magmar support recently

[burnt surge]

it was used in gen 5 because it was obtainable from gen 3

so you can technically run follow me magmortar

but you also have just better follow me users

namely togekiss

[umbral crystal]

I don't even see that referenced in Serebii

[burnt surge]

I'm in the showdown teambuilder

[umbral crystal]

POKEMON XD

Lmaooo

Gales of Darkness

Shadow pokemon learned unique moves after purification in that game

[normal tiger]

Togekiss
Ability: Hustle
Level: 50
IVs: 0 Atk

• Protect
• Follow Me
• Tailwind
• Helping Hand

[umbral crystal]

Totally forgot

[normal tiger]

Support toge?

[umbral crystal]

Serene grace stun lock

[burnt surge]

you could run togekiss if you wanted

[umbral crystal]

Pray to RNGesus

[burnt surge]

so far you have gengar, hitmontop, and swampert

I think you should consider how you will handle trick room teams

[umbral crystal]

Tog being a ghost block too back then

@burnt surge would you recommend sweet kiss on tog since confusion was kinda busted gen 4?

[burnt surge]

no

[umbral crystal]

👍

[burnt surge]

togekiss wants more than 4 moves

sweet kiss is not one of them

[umbral crystal]

Guess that's more of a singles

[burnt surge]

togekiss doesn't use sweet kiss in singles

it uses thunder wave

[umbral crystal]

Oh Jesus it has alot

[normal tiger]

Reflect?

[burnt surge]

I'm not 100% sold on togekiss

[umbral crystal]

Heal bell

Some flying offense with support functions

It would pair decently with the rest

[burnt surge]

I think that role is better done by crobat personally

since it has a fast taunt as well and is immune to fake out

but togekiss is also solid with follow me and helping hand

[umbral crystal]

How is cro immune to fake out?

Lol

[burnt surge]

inner focus

[umbral crystal]

Ignore me

Yeah

I forgot it had that

I guess it's player choice. If they want pure support or if they want an sp attacker with supportive skills

[normal tiger]

I would prefer pure support id say

[umbral crystal]

Than it's up to you if you want 60% flinch chance or fast taunt

Tho Tog can also run heal bell to heal swamp from burns

[normal tiger]

Togekiss @ Lum Berry
Ability: Serene Grace
Level: 50
EVs: 244 HP / 12 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature

• Protect
• Follow Me
• Helping Hand
• Heal Bell

[burnt surge]

burns are less prevalent in this metagame

you definitely want air slash > heal bell

[umbral crystal]

You NEED airslash

Yeah swap heal for slash

[normal tiger]

Togekiss @ Sharp Beak
Ability: Serene Grace
Level: 50
EVs: 244 HP / 12 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Protect
• Follow Me
• Helping Hand
• Air Slash

[umbral crystal]

👍

4/6

[normal tiger]

What about counter trick room with trick room when its used its cancel the previus one doesnt it? Or run 1 slow sweaper?

[burnt surge]

I'd run Lum Berry > Sharp Beak

[normal tiger]

Done

[umbral crystal]

Thays a great question

I don't have an answer

[burnt surge]

yeah there isn't a clear-cut answer here

[umbral crystal]

In the past ive run TR on things just to cancle out opponent TR

Maybe a tank with TR and support tools (idk how Bronzong hold up here)

[burnt surge]

Bronzong is probably fine

though I don't think that it has great support tools here

[umbral crystal]

Levitate too for more EQ spam lol

Slow hypno XD

Idk spit balling for fun

Trick macho brace

Or keep macho brace for bigger gyroballs

[burnt surge]

wait a second

mythicals are legal

oh no

[normal tiger]

yeah

[umbral crystal]

👀

[burnt surge]

so uh

did you know that jirachi gets follow me

[umbral crystal]

Are there any mythical under 600 BST

[burnt surge]

under? no

all mythicals are 600 bst

[umbral crystal]

Did I misread?

[burnt surge]

I'm pretty sure all the mythicals are either 100 across the board or are deoxys

in gen 4

[umbral crystal]

Deoxys is so cool

[burnt surge]

I do think you want a dedicated anti-TR Pokemon

since the best setters are likely to be Bronzong, Dusclops, or Cresselia

[umbral crystal]

Zong as the 5th slot and 6th dedicated to mythic

[burnt surge]

it doesn't have to be a mythical

the problem with zong is that it can't touch other zong

and you also have a problem with opposing water-types

[umbral crystal]

Hmm

6th fire type?

[normal tiger]

carvine with levitate?

[burnt surge]

no

[umbral crystal]

No

[burnt surge]

carnivine has 0 bulk

it will just get ice beamed

[umbral crystal]

Also doesn't have TR access

Zong is both a TR setter and an ANTI TR if you play it into TR teams

It becomes mind games

Levitate is the cherry on top

[burnt surge]

if you run zong + last fire type then you have issues w/ opposing water-types

you could run explosion I guess

[umbral crystal]

Explosion immune ggar 😉

Some very minor synergy XD

[burnt surge]

you have 4 protects

boom is probably fine

[normal tiger]

Bronzong @ Berry Juice
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature

• Trick Room
• Explosion
• Protect
• Stealth Rock

[umbral crystal]

No stealth rock

Ur not playing a tank team

Gyroball

[burnt surge]

Ability: Levitate  
Level: 50  
EVs: 252 HP / 248 Atk / 8 SpA  
Brave Nature  
- Gyro Ball  
- Explosion  
- Trick Room  
- Hidden Power [Fire]```

something like this maybe

[normal tiger]

Flame orb trick?

[burnt surge]

hp fire to weaken opposing steel types

[umbral crystal]

If you want trick over hp fire I'd say macho brace

[burnt surge]

8 SpA 30 IVs Bronzong Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 84 SpD Occa Berry Bronzong: 34-41 (10 - 12.1%) -- possible 9HKO

oh wait it does no damage lol

[umbral crystal]

Macho buffs gyro damage and can be used to cripple a fast mon

[umbral crystal]

XD

[burnt surge]

u

wait

heatran with eruption has a quiet nature

you can run eruption heatran

and it'll delete tr teams

[umbral crystal]

6th mon easy?

[normal tiger]

So hearan instead of zong?

heatran

[burnt surge]

I think so

you have a bunch of protect mons

you can position around trick room attackrs

also works nicely with togekiss

[normal tiger]

So Gengar, Toge, Hit, Swamp, Heat

As 6 does electrivire work?

[burnt surge]

probably not

you really want to be able to deal with water types

and electivire doesn't cut it

[umbral crystal]

Is there any decent grass gen 4

[burnt surge]

though the grasses are kinda bad as well tbh

[normal tiger]

I dont think so most of them have chlorophill

[umbral crystal]

With base 60 speed

XD

[normal tiger]

Heatran @ Choice Specs
Ability: Flash Fire
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature

• Eruption
• Iron Head
• Stone Edge
• Protect

so this heat works?

[burnt surge]

I personally think this is better

Ability: Flash Fire  
Level: 50  
EVs: 252 HP / 8 Atk / 248 SpA  
Quiet Nature  
- Eruption  
- Hidden Power [Ice]  
- Explosion  
- Earth Power```

if you're using specs then most of your attacks should be special

not eruption, two physical attacks and protect

[umbral crystal]

Specs locks you into 1 move too

Not sure if you are aware

[burnt surge]

I think your last should be a rotom forme

I'm just now realizing how slow your team is

[umbral crystal]

Rotom fridge maybe?

[burnt surge]

we should fit thunder wave on togekiss

[umbral crystal]

Or maybe another speed Control user

Tail wind

[burnt surge]

hm gengar doesn't get twave

well it has icy wind now

[umbral crystal]

Id say icy wind on ggar

[burnt surge]

the forme of rotom isn't the most important anyway

we want tbolt and twave on it

[umbral crystal]

Blizzard for grass and ground types

[burnt surge]

but we can't use sitrus on it unless we figure out what else we want to put on hitmontop

[umbral crystal]

Tho you have flying and water so

[normal tiger]

And im expecting someone use spiritomb or sableye how shoul i go against them?

[umbral crystal]

Beat them up

Low BST

[burnt surge]

you have heatran

[umbral crystal]

Just smack em with EQ

And heatran eruption is murderous

[burnt surge]

helping hand + eruption go brr

[normal tiger]

Okey

[umbral crystal]

They might not take super effective damage but they also don't resist jack shit

[burnt surge]

yeah you can overwhelm them with damage

my thoughts are that cresselia will give this team fits

but it's also cresselia so it's constrained out

[umbral crystal]

Is he allowed 2 legendaries?

[normal tiger]

Drifblim @ Kasib Berry
Ability: Aftermath
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature

• Thunderbolt
• Thunder Wave
• Protect
• Tailwind

?

One

[umbral crystal]

Yeah heatran is his 1

[burnt surge]

I think you should go rotom

it's just better and you don't need two tailwinds

[umbral crystal]

Does rotom count as a legendary

[burnt surge]

no

[umbral crystal]

Why not it's only 1 per game I thought and from event

Probably a dumb question

[burnt surge]

they restrict for mons with over 555 bst

[normal tiger]

I dont have tailwind rn. I have helpinh hand protect air slash follow me tode

toge

[umbral crystal]

Oh

I thought Tailwind was on Tog

[umbral crystal]

Hmm

Shoot

[burnt surge]

togekiss doesn't have tw

[normal tiger]

Togekiss @ Lum Berry
Ability: Serene Grace
Level: 50
EVs: 244 HP / 12 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Protect
• Follow Me
• Helping Hand
• Air Slash

[burnt surge]

and even if it did I would use thunder wave anyway

[umbral crystal]

Is deoxys really 600!?

[burnt surge]

no its 580 I believe

[umbral crystal]

Wow

[burnt surge]

nope it's 600

nvm

lol

[normal tiger]

Drifblim isnt optin? since have all needed moves?

[umbral crystal]

It's not gonna help at all

Non stab electric

[burnt surge]

it doesn't help enough against water types

[umbral crystal]

@burnt surge the tog set is there a way to fit Tailwind?

[burnt surge]

maybe if you dropped one of the other support moves

or protect

[umbral crystal]

Id drop protect

[normal tiger]

Jolteon? 130spe and 110 spa

[burnt surge]

yeah the vgc 2012 set appears to be follow me/air slash/twave or tw/protect or roost

you could go twave + helping hand/protect

jolteon could work I guess

It's a bit frail though and you already have locked up your focus sash

and it has 0 coverage

[umbral crystal]

Yeah run em if you want

Can't build a team to handle everything

[burnt surge]

but you should have a plan into everything

[umbral crystal]

Itll be a niche pick to help against aposing rain

[burnt surge]

jolteon does not handle opposing rain at all

[umbral crystal]

Idk 🤷‍♂️

[burnt surge]

if you want to handle opposing rain then you need to utilize hitmontop like crazy

lanturn could work actually

[umbral crystal]

We dont even know if this guy will get flamed for "meta"

[burnt surge]

I don't care if this guy gets flamed for "meta"

[normal tiger]

XD

[umbral crystal]

XD

Why Lanturn?

Aint even seen one in my life

[burnt surge]

Electric type that resists Water

[umbral crystal]

One of those pokemon I think is gen 3 but actually gen 2

Like Skarmory

Oh neat it gets Volt Absorb too

So it'll be able to switch in for Tog to heal in the right situation

[burnt surge]

that's true

Ability: Volt Absorb  
Level: 50  
EVs: 44 Def / 252 SpA / 212 SpD  
Modest Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Thunderbolt  
- Hydro Pump  
- Thunder Wave  
- Ice Beam / Protect```
I just moved sliders around and got this

you don't need too much HP investment because Lanturn already has naturally high HP

rindo berry lets you take a grass move from ludi and paralyze it

https://pokepast.es/0ab768bf41b1eed3

this is what I built

[umbral crystal]

Gengar, Swampert, Togekiss, Hitmontop, Heatran, Lanturn

[sand minnow]

they really should have given swampert regenerator

[burnt surge]

swampert + hitmontop also are good into disquake

[normal tiger]

Okey got it thnx so much

[umbral crystal]

Good luck and kick some ass

[normal tiger]

I hope

So main strat is EQ spaming and if oppont has potential of trick room take heatran

[burnt surge]

um

it's mostly just goodstuffs

[umbral crystal]

IT all works together

[burnt surge]

but with less good

[normal tiger]

I see

[burnt surge]

spread paralysis and abuse it with your hard hitters

[normal tiger]

Got it

[umbral crystal]

Run up Tailwind if they have multiple speedies

[normal tiger]

I will try to test it out in next days

[burnt surge]

thunder wave is way better since it quarters the opponent's speed

so it overpowers tailwind

[normal tiger]

I thought its halve the speed

[burnt surge]

that's from gen 6 onward

[normal tiger]

I see

[umbral crystal]

Holy shit

1/4

[burnt surge]

you can thank thundurus for that

[umbral crystal]

I know Para proc is also 50% not 30%

[burnt surge]

it was always 25% tmk

[umbral crystal]

R we sure?

[burnt surge]

according to bulbapedia yes

[umbral crystal]

I swear it got nerfed

Oops

[burnt surge]

https://www.serebii.net/games/status.shtml#paralysis

[burnt surge]

other options:

• gengar can probably still run destiny bond over icy wind, especiallysince you're paralyzing faster Pokemon
• Protect > Explosion on Heatran, which lets you scout out EQ and let a partnered Togekiss paralyze their Ground type and then Heatran can attack the turn after.
• Shuca Berry > Rindo Berry on Lanturn and Chople Berry > Shuca Berry on Heatran: Lets Lanturn retaliate against Ground types with Hydro Pump or Ice Beam, but you become less reliable into rain teams with Ludicolo

@normal tiger

[normal tiger]

Okey i will take it in consideration

[umbral crystal]

@burnt surge do you have any knowledge for the up coming Regulation G?

I'm not vibing with any of the restricted mons, the only one I like is Zygarde but it's not in the game

[burnt surge]

A tad

One of my teams was in TotW in the VGC room but apart from that I'm not a VGC fiend like others here

[umbral crystal]

https://pokepast.es/5bd158a8b4fab6ab

This is the team I just recently made and ive been having a blast with, maybe I'll swap bear with Calyrex?

[burnt surge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[umbral crystal]

Do I NEED one of the restricted?

Their stats are so damn high

[burnt surge]

Technically no, but there are 0 mons that are on their level

[umbral crystal]

Whats TotW mean?

[burnt surge]

Teams of the week

[umbral crystal]

Oh congrats

[burnt surge]

Thx

[cerulean totem]

by ruleset no, by ‘i want to win’, yes

[wild sinew]

^

[umbral crystal]

Is there a restricted that would approve of Whims support?

I'm guessing just Calyrex spam with option Tail Wind or Fake Tears can't go THAT badly

[burnt surge]

Caly-S probably can work well w/ Whimsicott yeah

[thorn root]

https://pokepast.es/6da1f9501ed7c6b9

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[thorn root]

this team kind of gets bombed by tera fairy caly-s

what can i do to improve it