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[jagged thicket]

I’m wanting to give up ogrepon

[north tree]

Oi bot learn context

[jagged thicket]

So what I’m getting is to swap ogrepon with H-arcanine, and switch chien-pao with something else?

[fresh flicker]

Pao can stay, but if you'd rather Gambit then Pao goes.

[jagged thicket]

I’ll keep gambit

[wild sinew]

It does bring Grass and Fire, try leading things like Hearthflame Kingambit, Hearthflame Urshifu
Ability to redirect Rillaboom and opposing Ogerpon specifically while still packing amazing power.

I do think the team is fine as it is, and if I were to suggest any changes it would be things that don't effect Ogerpon such as protect over clear smog on Amoonguss

[fresh flicker]

They said they wanted to remove pon.

And don't worry about that, I got it covered.

[wild sinew]

Team has already cut LAIC so I think it's better to get used to it than replace what you don't understand how to use after a few days

[fresh flicker]

LAIC?

[jagged thicket]

I’ll keep using it ig

[wild sinew]

sorry, missed this, Latin America International Championships

[jagged thicket]

Actually, I’ll probably switch Ogrepon to H-Arcanine. I already have a grass type with Amoonguss ig.

[jagged thicket]

H-Arcanine is working, I’m using a choice band set

Thank you

[pulsar trout]

https://pokepast.es/b1799d4708fda472 idk if brambleghast is that good

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[wild sinew]

Are you specifically looking for a good Bramble team?

[pulsar trout]

yea

[wild sinew]

I can link you to one or fix the current team

[pulsar trout]

fix the currect team

[wild sinew]

Well first of you want to use the Focus Sash Poltergeist set for Brambleghast, don't want to ignore your strongest stab move afterall.

Your team looks like it would love sun so I'd suggest sunny day Tornadus here

Make Ogerpon a three attacks set, you don't have enough support for Swords Dance and it can be a momentum sink for your fast paced team.

Make your Flutter Mane bulkier and ideally run a different 4th move as you already have 2 offensive Grass types.

With Sunny Day, Iron Hands gets more value from Tera Fire and Scarf Landorus is preferable in the Iron Bundle slot

[pulsar trout]

https://pokepast.es/c68b85df0ecfe937 sumthing this?

[wild sinew]

Make Brambleghast Tera Ghost and I'd suggest Power Whip or Seed Bomb as more consistent options than Bullet seed

Remember the Energy Ball change

Ideally run less attack EVs on Lando for bulk and go with an Adamant Nature (100/116/36/0/4/252 is an example)

[pulsar trout]

who i give eball to?

oh wait

nvm mb

https://pokepast.es/c8216c377a0aeb3d so this should be the final team?

[wild sinew]

Yes

[pulsar trout]

alr thx

[hearty gate]

https://pokepast.es/e6bb0da5949b6d6b Is this a good team?

[wild sinew]

You're not necessarily using bad pokemon other than Sneasler but the synergy is really blurry and some moves are questionable

[hearty gate]

Ok I'm rather new to competetive so obviously I would make mistakes I'll try to make some improvements

[wild sinew]

You probably hate to hear it but the best way to improve is to pick up a pre existing team and use it to get a better understanding of what works best together

[hearty gate]

Ah ok

[wild sinew]

Here are teams Id suggest taking a look at
https://victoryroadvgc.com/2024-laic/

[hearty gate]

Thanks for the help

[untold estuary]

I'm thinking about making a rain team including amphrose cause I really like that mon and it's shiny yet I'm not quite sure where to go from there.. any ideas to help the gears turn lol

[wanton abyss]

Hi! I’d take that idea to #comp-general

[untold estuary]

Ah apologies I'll go there!

[wanton abyss]

No problem!

good luck

[untold estuary]

Okay came with ideas and playing around a bit ik it's missing mons yet I'm kinda stuck lol

Rose (Ampharos) (F) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Static
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Dragon Pulse
• Tera Blast
• Electroweb

Politoed (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Protect
• Helping Hand
• Haze
• Chilling Water

Basculegion @ Choice Band
Ability: Swift Swim
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Phantom Force
• Psychic Fangs
• Waterfall
• Crunch

Toxicroak @ Life Orb
Ability: Dry Skin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Fake Out
• Protect
• Poison Jab
• Cross Chop

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Wood Hammer
• Spiky Shield
• U-turn

Sorry for no paste idk why pokepaste hates my phone

[tulip totem]

https://pokepast.es/61839d9901b2518d here I put it into a paste

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[untold estuary]

Ah tysm! I'm just gonna put my discription here: I wanted to build a rain team including Ampharos for fun yet I'm kinda stuck atm

[burnt surge]

I see Fake Out Toxicroak and was gonna tell you to use Iron Hands

But Amphy is already an Electric type

Personally I'd keep another Electric STAB on Ampharos

So it can do some damage

I think it's better off with Sitrus over AV tbh

[north tree]

Ok firstly, ampharos isn't a really good pokemon, zapdos is better 99% of the time. The only advantage ampharos has is it's low speed so you could run a bulky rocky helmet static set to beat urshifu with a slow volt switch to pivot into scary attackers like Basculegion and thunder to take advantage of rain. Last move can be a support of your choice.

On that topic, Basculegion should run a life orb set with wave crash, last respects, aqua jet and protect. Politoed should run muddy water instead of chilling water and a berry over leftovers. Ogerpon-wellspring doesn't really want u-turn and infact probably doesn't want to be on the team seeing as you already have two water types.

Toxicroak wants focus sash and close combat and gunk shot over poison jab imo, really helps vs flutter. After this you also have two pokemon remaining so since the team can go in any direction from here, I'll leave it at that.

[untold estuary]

Ty for the help! And don't knock a mon till you try it while nechie I bet I can find a use for almost any mon lol yet the rest of the feedback is lovely tysm if you don't mind me asking tho why don't run U-Turn?? I might just be asking cause I'm so used to it being a popular move in singles so wouldn't it be good here? Apologies once again I like to understand things

The only question is what do I do for a last mon cause I'm still stuck on that

It's a rain team wouldn't you not want to run fire types? It's not like some grass types that have Chlorophyll so it's a trade off for the higher risk yet I don't think there's any fire types that have an ability that works in rain

Just thinking aloud lol

[untold estuary]

Tysm for this feedback!! I'll try to make it work

Fixed it's set I kinda referenced my Murkrow build in my main sun team having sunny day as a back up just in case of other weather teams.

Rose (Ampharos) (F) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Static
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Protect
• Rain Dance
• Dragon Pulse
• Thunder

Was debating on replacing dragon pulse with helping hands yet then I'd be kinda screwed if there's ground types on field

Here's the murkrow build in question if anyone's curious :)
Murkrow (F) @ Eviolite
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Haze
• Sunny Day
• Tailwind
• Icy Wind

(ik tornadus is the "better pick" yet I low key hate its design so I went with Murkrow and it ended up being better)

[fresh flicker]

That's because doubles is more fast paced, so pivoting isn't as common and switching can be a momentum loss.

U turn is still a good move it's just not used as much because your pokemon tend to be offensively potent. As stall is crappy.

[untold estuary]

Ah I see ty for that! So if I'm guessing right amphrose would be a better pivoting mon cause it's slower? Just using her as an example cause it's the only slow Mon on mind lol

[fresh flicker]

Iron hands can have VS it poses more of a threat then most others.

Especially against shifu and flutter.

It's able to take a hit and hit back hard or pivot with VS.

[untold estuary]

No offense I understand your trying to help and I appreciate it yet I kinda hate Iron hands- idk it's just so ugly to me I hate it

No offense to iron hand lover

[fresh flicker]

I get that, I'm guessing your playing for fun?

[untold estuary]

Eeeh kinda a mix

Both competitive and fun

That's why I make these teams including some of my favorite mons cause it's fun to use them

Even if there not the best sadly

[fresh flicker]

At least they are not ladian.

Please look away from the iron fist user with 35 attack.

[untold estuary]

Oh god don't get me wrong it's cute yet god when I tried to make it work I gave up it's THAT BAD

And you know it's bad when even I refuse to work with it anymore

I don't think I ever used the team I just deleted it lmao

Hear me out it's perfect!

In the bin

Now that I think about it I really need to widen my horizons all I use are hyper offense weather teams nothing else

[untold estuary]

Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Ability: Snow Warning
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Giga Drain
• Blizzard
• Aurora Veil
• Helping Hand

Articuno-Galar @ Life Orb
Ability: Competitive
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Freezing Glare
• Air Slash
• Protect
• Shadow Ball

Tauros-Paldea-Blaze @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Iron Head
• Body Press
• Raging Bull
• Protect

Kitty (Chien-Pao) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Sword of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Sucker Punch
• Icicle Crash
• Crunch
• Protect

Dragapult (F) @ Choice Band
Ability: Infiltrator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Dragon Darts
• Phantom Force
• Psychic Fangs
• Body Slam

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Protect
• Dazzling Gleam
• Energy Ball
• Shadow Ball

Hi hi so uh after catching it in game I kinda like Chein-pao lol so I tried to make a snow team including it, originally the team was gonna be a Galar Articuno snow team yet then I got Chein-Pao in my game so it evolved from there lol however when testing the team it just isn't working and idk why please help :c
Sorry for no paste pokepaste hates my phone sob

[wild sinew]

I'd say main issue is using bad pokemon and flawed sets

I'd pretty much have to change the whole team to fix it

[untold estuary]

Damn guess I messed it up bad

This is why we don't make teams when we're half awake lol

[fresh flicker]

@untold estuary also Snow doesn't really help pao, Hyper Offense teams are where it shines.

[untold estuary]

damn mb I'm just so used to making weather teams ig its starting to be a crutch to me now

[naive dock]

https://pokepast.es/8c838f223d6e0d63 thoughts?

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[wild sinew]

Would suggest going Choice Band Dragapult for the power, really struggles to do damage without Pao otherwise

Sucker Punch is better than Ice Shard if you're Tera Dark.

Replace Hisuian Arcanine with Farigiraf here, Team doesn't look all that bulky and you're in critical need of speed control

Urshifu is probably better as Scarf Urshifu Rapid honestly, just no reason to double down on dark types and Tera hoggers here

[naive dock]

how does farigiraf help with speed control?

[fresh flicker]

Trick room

It flips the turn order with speed. So the slowest mon is now the fastest.

This helps with opposing trickroom and flips tailwind.

[naive dock]

cool. Do you have amy scarf shifu spreads that ideally outspeed the average scarf lando?

[fresh flicker]

You can find the spread in the smogon analysis for urshifu in Reg E

[empty goblet]

https://pokepast.es/d58ee0266e65fece / https://pokepast.es/60c2611e03dbe2e9

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[sand minnow]

tr team with 31 speed ivs
nice

[distant stump]

You want us to say which is better?

[sand minnow]

oh god that torkoal moveset
i'm outta here
hopefully the team will be better when i'm back

[empty goblet]

Looking for feedback and suggestions for both

[distant stump]

Alr

Im heading to bed soon so I'll just do the first one

Gallade is just pretty bad, and if you do use it the only real set is a wide guard support one

You dont want to stack the Cresselia and the Indeedee, their roles are the same basically and you want the offense

The tork set is pretty wild, games dont last long enough for heat rock to matter and its best set is just more offensive

So charcoal with eruption/heatwave/earthpower/protect or soemthing

also go for 252 hp 252 spa attack quite

the ursa is fine but you want another tera and swords dance instead of drain punch, the ground and normal coverage is good enough for Ursa and the swords dance is very usefull

armarouge wants the life orb and heatwave instead of willo

and the indeedee is fine

a lot of the sets are pretty random, I take your new to VGC

[empty goblet]

Correct

[distant stump]

I reccomend looking at teams similar to yours to get inspiration and learn the meta then dive into teambuilding

[empty goblet]

Will do

[distant stump]

Its a lot easier to learn with a good team

Good luck!

[empty goblet]

Thank you for ur time

[north tree]

I will do the second one. Leafeon is pretty much outclassed in this position by hisuian lilligant. Hisuian lilligant has better coverage in close combat and access to support moves like sleep powder and more importantly, after you.

After you allows you to run a more offensive torkoal set as heat rock clear smog yawn is something your team has no time for anyways.

Rillaboom can use a different item other than terrain extender, I recommend assault vest with a set of fake out grassy glide wood hammer and uturn.

Flutter mane doesn't really want ice as a tera, dazzling gleam with tera fairy is way better than icy wind and icy wind can probably be replaced itself by moonblast. Your team either has extremely fast pokemon or pokemon too slow to benefit from icy wind at the moment.

Sneasler could be evd more effectively. Try investing into it's hp stat or hit a specific calc. Some speed investment would be nice too, maybe try to outspeed quark drive speed iron bundle after unburden.

[empty goblet]

The idea for flutter was more or less to OKHO landerous

[empty goblet]

So keep the attack investment for sneasler and reinvest the rest of the stats

What would be the optimized EV star for lilligant?

[empty goblet]

https://pokepast.es/4756f9185ac147c0 something like this? Idk what item to run on lilligant

[north tree]

Probably covert cloak since focus sash is taken by chien-pao. Rillaboom should change knock off and drum beating and learn grassy glide and wood hammer, chien pao should have icicle crash over acrobatics, and flutter mane should have a spread that boosts speed in sun and also has a small amount of bulk. Torkoal wants a modest rather than a sassy nature.

If you want to put sash on hisuian lilligant, which is the best item for it by far you can give chien pao a life orb to boost it's damage and free up the item slot.

[empty goblet]

My bad just realized I used the wrong preset

[empty goblet]

https://pokepast.es/4e7574a7d5929095 something like this?

Idk how much phroto boosts stats

[sterile flame]

https://pokepast.es/5860c02c40d177f6

Dis shit garbage I can’t wait to run this in tournament

Thinking bout changing eiscue’s tera to something that gives it a better match up into ogerpon. Also thinking landorus would be good over urshifu into this team. It would help with the primary fake out mons like rillaboom and hands, plus I’m already running rock slide on urshifu

Also maybe tera water better for sinistcha

[north tree]

I don't think sinistcha and eiscue fit very well here, and choice band eleki is pretty gimmicky in general but I'll deal with it as the better of the two gimmicks. So eleki urshifu tera ghost pao and torn should also be tera ghost as an easy way to use eleki is to tailwind and explosion straight away then bring scarf urshifu in the back to start cleaning. Speaking of scarf urshifu, rain dance tornadus supports that a lot better.

Eiscue can be swapped for flutter mane, another explosion immunity which has arguably better damage potential than eiscue due to being able to spam dazzling gleam and moonblast consistently and take kos without requiring any setup. This also allows you to potentially swap sinistcha for a non-ghost type, I'd reccomend ogerpon rock or fire with follow me, both generally consistent and ogerpon rock has the added advantage of sturdy being able to pair with with explosion and embody aspect ogerrock can probably take explosions quite well.

In conclusion:

• Torn's tera > ghost
• Eiscue > booster special attack flutter mane, get the set and spread from smogondex
• Sinistcha > ogerpon-cornerstone, get the set and spread from smogondex if it's on there OR sinistcha > ogerpon-hearthflame running ivy cudgel, horn leech, follow me and spiky shield.

[sterile flame]

Should I do tera ghost and covert cloak?

[north tree]

If you feel the extra flexibility versus fake out is worth it yes

Rocky helmet,mental herb and sitrus berry are all good items however

[empty goblet]

https://pokepast.es/cdde1b3b76faf9e4 how does this look?

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[north tree]

4 special attack from flutter into special defense, tera ghost on hisuian lilligant, and tera fire on rillaboom might be a good finishing touch.

[empty goblet]

Alr thank you

Anything else?

[pulsar trout]

Why after you on liligant

[wild sinew]

So torkoal can use eruption before getting hit

[pulsar trout]

Smart

[chilly jasper]

https://pokepast.es/25c3803275dc5974

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[chilly jasper]

I really really like this

[pulsar trout]

R u building around arbok?

[chilly jasper]

I am going to test this, but I wanted something different, that is more fun than just extremely repetitive fast paced fights

[chilly jasper]

Kinda

[pulsar trout]

Id feel like ud want scale shot on arbok

And doesnt he get coil

Id say replace glare with protect

[chilly jasper]

No I don't

My arbok set is perfect 🙏

Though protect over glare is smart

The idea for it is to slow down and cripple faster more frail mons and then wrap them, or posion bulkier mons and then wrap then

[pulsar trout]

What does wochien do on this team

[chilly jasper]

Pollen puff

[pulsar trout]

If ur going to do that then id say replave yawn with protect on gastro

[chilly jasper]

That is a great idea

[pulsar trout]

Does sinischa get pollen puff if forgot

[chilly jasper]

I will do that actually

Does it?

[pulsar trout]

It has silly moves so id be suprised if it dorsnt

Ill check rn

It doesnt

Thats crazy

Id say amoong or sinischa > wochien

[chilly jasper]

What does sinischa's toolset look like

[pulsar trout]

I think its rage powder/macha gocha/strength slap/protect

[chilly jasper]

That works

[austere wasp]

Trick room/protect yea

[chilly jasper]

https://pokepast.es/b98baefa6f40df9c

This team is perfect

I actually would be fine replacing ghold or ushifu

But the main four are so solid

Swapped ghold for Clefairy

[austere wasp]

Any reason why?

[pulsar trout]

Follow me + friend gaurd support does more for the team

[pulsar trout]

And also heal pulse

[pulsar trout]

I feel like ud want fm > ape

[maiden beacon]

https://pokepast.es/be6762b732f6b1e1

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[maiden beacon]

Any suggestions?

I really want to slot in U turn on rilla

but I don't want to lose any of my moves

do you think I could get away with changing tera type back to fire and removing wood hammer for u turn

[wild sinew]

You'd want it over high horse power

Choruto do you want to rate the team? I have to go rq

[distant stump]

You defo want high horsepower

[distant stump]

Uh sure

[wild sinew]

Thank you

[distant stump]

Big things im seeing here is that your kinda lacking coverage and the evs are so so

Grass spam isen't the greatest but still viable but you 100% need something like bundle dengo or chien on most teams to make up for the deficit in coverage

For example tera fairy band harc like, rips this apart

Once the lando goes down even nothing really stops it from sweeping as your all physical attackers

[maiden beacon]

do you have any suggestions for the ev spreads?

[distant stump]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc24-regulation-e/

The spreads here are probarly fine

If I were to make some changes

I think you dont really want the grass spam here

[maiden beacon]

It's not really grass spam I usually lead torn next to flutter or ogerpon

[distant stump]

Like heartflame into harc is really nice here, and maybe landorus into urshifu

Right but then why stack the rillaboom and hearthflame

[maiden beacon]

on demand priority and terrain control

I think my hardest MU even with farig is trick room

especially variants with torkoal

[distant stump]

Urshifu and going for rain helps a lot there

[maiden beacon]

Idk I could look at changing ogerpon grassy glide to a more conventional grass move and changing rilla to iron hands

[distant stump]

So your commited to the hearthflame

[maiden beacon]

Yeah

[distant stump]

Uh I feel like harc is just kinda better there

Ok

[maiden beacon]

I like ogerpon into weezing and goltres

and just in general

[distant stump]

Goltres?

[maiden beacon]

galar molres

[distant stump]

I feel like you obliterate goltres

[maiden beacon]

Yeah I like sunny day + tera fire ivy cudgel to delete just any medium bulk mon of the table and low bulk resists even

also reduce surging strikes damage so flutter can live a SS

I don't want to play torn ursh mirrors and also GG is good into torn ursh bundle

But I will def try if glideless is better

[distant stump]

You look like you have a pretty positive torn shifu MU

with sunny day

[distant stump]

Overall I think the team is fine

There aren't very many glaring holes, I would polish up the evs and maybe go tera water on the fig and rilla if your struggling against TR stuff

but it looks ok

If the torn mirror is problematic go for the slow sunny day torn

[maiden beacon]

Here's an example of a win and loss with the team so you can kind of see how it operates and how I pilot it

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-2003744980

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-2003744980

[modern harbor]

Is this moveset good?

https://pokepast.es/7709281063e7dbf8

[north tree]

• Tera water over tera fighting on urshifu

• Tera fire, water or grass on Iron Hands rather than tera fighting

• Tera poison on Baxcalibur, also change breaking swipe to protect, scale shot is your spammable dragon move and protect allows you to position bax better.

• Horn Leech on ogerpon-wellspring instead of grassy glide, you can also consider wood hammer.

• EV spreads could use some improvement, use smogon dex for your spreads or at least inspiration.

[modern harbor]

Ok

[north tree]

Oh, and detect over uturn on urshifu, for the same reasons as bax

[empty goblet]

https://pokepast.es/4ef9737b4a7365aa

[wild sinew]

Insertable hasn't said it but
Urshifu wants either detect over U-turn (what Insertable suggested) or a Choice Scarf equipped, not the best speed tier and it's very important to preserve.
Swords Dance is far better than Dragon Dance on a scale shot set, as Scale Shot can raise your speed and you're one of the bulkiest pokemon with Aurora Veil.

[wild sinew]

This has been already rated, why do you need it rated again?

[empty goblet]

Just wanted second opinions

And some extra feedback from other ppl my apologies

[wild sinew]

No need to apologise but probably better for you trust the raters here

[empty goblet]

I do

[north tree]

Actually there are things that I will pick up on the 2nd time round that I didn't go for the first time but you're still correct that most of the time you don't need a team rated twice

[north tree]

• HP investment on sneasler may be better than spdef unless you have a specific calc.
• Tera fire over tera ghost on rillaboom, also find a better spread on smogon dex, the rillaboom is quite frail as is at the moment.
• Would recommend power gem over mystical fire on flutter mane, great into hisuian arcanine which your team can struggle quite badly against. If you come back later with any matchup problems, I'll be happy to help with lines/suggestions. My personal opinion is that sneasler is the easiest link to remove on the team so if you ever feel like removing a mon for something that helps with common matchups, it'd be the sneasel.

[empty goblet]

What would you suggest replacing sneasler

[north tree]

Not able to think of anything right now, you should probably try this team out on ladder/limitless/bo3 with friends and see if sneasler is worth it

[empty goblet]

Something like Chi-yu maybe so that flutter does even more Damage with terra fairy dazzzling?

[pulsar trout]

I was thinking heatran but i dont think hes hot rn considering that tornfu is running around

[shy flare]

https://pokepast.es/be4b79a8bf02af1c Can you survive the 5 turns in Trick Room?

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[north tree]

• Tera normal isn't usually used on ursaluna, if you plan on doing so for the extra power I'd recommend putting a lot of bulk in, 76 adamant is enough to rip through everything with tera normal.
• I would recommend having mental herb/safety goggles on cresselia and perhaps slot taunt on urshifu rapid-strike to deal with amoonguss and taunt tornadus more effectively. If you go down the safety goggles cress idea, you can also run mental herb amoonguss to redirect taunt t1 and still have room to spore under tr the next turn.
• Shadow claw should be swapped for headlong rush on ursaluna, hitting hard under grassy terrain is quite valuable and so is the single target option vs certain steel types.
• If you want an amoonguss immune to fake out, run covert cloak on the set you're not so worried about urshifu. You can run tera dark as a substitute to mental herb in that case.
• The strategy is extremely linear, I get the point is to ask "can you survive 5 turns in trick room" but the answer for a lot of teams is going to be yes especially in a bo3 setting. I do appreciate the humour however so I won't delve into it further. The kingambit set is something I cooked up early reg d so I can understand it.

[empty goblet]

Decided the change it out for Grimsnarl that can setup screens and taunt opposing tornadus

Or whatever the green one is called again

[pulsar trout]

https://pokepast.es/ecfe267053d5cb4d i feel like id need to replace clefariy with a grass type

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[wild sinew]

Your own Amoonguss is good here

[austere wasp]

Amoonguss do be the perfect replacement there if you need the role almost the same to clef

[pulsar trout]

whats the evs for amoong

[austere wasp]

It varies but I use

Amoonguss @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 236 HP / 204 Def / 4 SpA / 52 SpD / 12 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Protect
• Rage Powder
• Spore
• Pollen Puff

[pulsar trout]

alr thx

https://pokepast.es/f0b754e9a25b0922 i got this rn

[odd osprey]

Hello I'm new to VGC I really like the pokemon in this team but I need help to possibly increase synergy maybe in moves or strategy.
https://pokepast.es/dc8b9e1d38c83e05

[pulsar trout]

urshifu rapid strike over toxicroak

[odd osprey]

Any move or IV recommendations?

[pulsar trout]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Scarf
Level: 50
Ability: Unseen Fist
EVs: 44 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 92 SpD / 212 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Ice Spinner
• U-turn

or u could go for a more bulkier set

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Level: 50
Ability: Unseen Fist
EVs: 44 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 140 SpD / 164 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Aqua Jet
• Detect

[odd osprey]

This Is really helpful, thanks. Any other changes?

[pulsar trout]

if u want tailwind support u could run tornadus over peliper

[pulsar trout]

also u'd want gholdengo over flutter mane bcus its harder to take down in rain

[odd osprey]

Leftovers set?

[pulsar trout]

and u dont rly need damp rock on peliper cus vgc matches are usally short so u'd get more out of sash

[pulsar trout]

yea

[odd osprey]

Noted

[pulsar trout]

also make sure ghold is tera dragon so it doesnt get destroyed by ogerpon

[odd osprey]

Should I swap out ludi for amongus?

[pulsar trout]

yea

its a better grass type and brings something to beat urshifu with

[pulsar trout]

id also replace overqwill with iron bundle to deal with mons like sinischa and rillaboom

[odd osprey]

Does overqwil not handle them? Cos of poison jab and cruch

[pulsar trout]

yea but qwill doesnt like to deal with scarf lando

[odd osprey]

I see, thank you. Been a great help

[pulsar trout]

rq iron hands over thunderus

iron hands does everything u want it to do

just make sure its tera grass not tera firre

[digital sierra]

https://pokepast.es/2c08baf1482d4886 am i cooking or did i burn down the kitchen

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[austere wasp]

I dont not like it

[wild sinew]

Clefairy feels a bit passive for screens, I think Ogerpon Wellspring can function as an effective redirector while still carrying offensive pressure. Simply because the screens are there the pokemon need less dedicated support so it's rare to see Clefairy or even Amoonguss on Veil teams.

Protect over Encore or Moonblast is strongly suggested on Alolatales, helps position it, when its brought down, your team has to play completely differently and is in general at a huge disadvantage

Ting-Lu -> Landorus as a ground type here, just provides a lot more pressure and has a lot of respective utility, no obvious Tera hogs so Lando can make for a great Tera candidate. Ting Lu really struggles right now because it has a poor meta matchup.

Make Rillaboom the Assualt Vest set now that Ting-Lu is gone, more consistent here as you're not exactly trying to outdamage your opponents quickly in this playstyle

Now that you have Intim utility, I'd suggest Heatran in this slot as it performs a similar role but more consistent with a slower playstyle and makes you better into Kingambit.

[digital sierra]

should i go for just the standard life orb set on heatran?

[wild sinew]

Yes

[digital sierra]

k

thanks

[prime mountain]

silly ogerpon-hearthflame team i made in 5 mins, would appreciate feedback
https://pokepast.es/81ab21a9e25d65b0

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[simple mesa]

https://pokepast.es/950e7010b64c1915 thoughts?

[north tree]

• Swords dance is probably better than focus energy on ogerpon, you can outpace intimidate by simply spamming it if you feel like and even at +1 you get the same power as focus energy and a boost to horn leech too.
• Ting Lu running stone edge is a bit akward, consider rock tomb for a bit of long term speed control (flutter is frail) or perhaps fissure/lash out.
• Tauros could use a stronger fighting move than double kick. Try close combat since you're already playing it as a nuke with life orb.
• Booster icy wind flutter mane doesn't benefit all too much on the team, consider icy wind clef or rock tomb ting lu or perhaps just do without speed control. Specs flutter mane can provide a better source of damage output here and the strong fairy coverage works out well for ting lu who can clean up the fire, steel and poison types your opponent has to bring to deal with flutter mane.
• Overall I think the concept of your team is strong, but you may be going a bit all in with the ogerpon strategy. If you feel yourself needing to set back the ogerpon shenanigans and have another mode I'd suggest taking off ting-lu, clef or water-tauros to start making room for a another offensive mode.

[prime mountain]

double kick was mainly because the team felt a little weak to sash chien-pao, but i'll 100% change everything else

[north tree]

sash chien pao alone is probably not a reason to overdo it and run double kick on tauros (pao can tera ghost anyway) and you can always try dazzling gleam on clefairy to break it's sash

I don't think the team is too weak to pao anyway, water-tauros helps on that end by resisting it's stabs and having intimidate

[north tree]

• Focus sash on sableye over eject button, eject button makes you susceptible to grassy glide or aqua jet switching you out and focus sash provides longevity.
• Consider adding tera ghost speed boosting booster energy iron valiant with a set of focus blast, moonblast, hypnosis and detect/support move instead of espathra. Valiant already comes equipped with a speed increase, is more offensively threatening and can take advantage of prankster gravity immediately with either hypnosis or focus blast with tera ghost to avoid espeed and fake out.

[simple mesa]

Thank you!

[pulsar trout]

https://pokepast.es/6c0290c5dce6f69f i tried to make tail room

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[wild sinew]

I think either Kingambit or Amoonguss should be replaced with Iron Hands here, in general for on both modes and helps set up tr which can be difficult sometimes. If you do choose to replace Amoonguss, run black glasses on Kingambit and a different Tera Type as you have plenty of Amoonguss counterplay.

Chi-Yu doesn't really fit here, Choice Specs Gholdengo is the preferable Drago partner as it applies significant pressure to Fairies (basically Flutter)

An option you can consider is focus sash Torn, as you have Farigiraf and aren't exactly reliant on Tailwind.

[pulsar trout]

for hand the smogon set recomends 124 speed does he have to be that fast

[wild sinew]

Generally recommend at least 92 to outspeed Urshifu

[pulsar trout]

alr thx https://pokepast.es/f8e2da726c5a1c6d i got this rn

[rapid sail]

Hey Guys, Im stuck with this team in singles ultra ball tier. Not sure what to do or if I need to get rid of something.

https://pokepast.es/186debf93b8ef578

Can anyone help with this. I can try to change some pokemon too if needed or moves etc

[distant stump]

Singles?

[rapid sail]

Yea

3vs3 online singles in scarlet

Is this not the right channel for that?

Or do people not do singles lol

[distant stump]

Aint the right channel

This is for VGC, or doubles

[rapid sail]

where is the right channel

[distant stump]

Dunno

[rapid sail]

Do people not do singles?

[distant stump]

This entire server is mainly singles but im not sure the right channel for you

[wild sinew]

#1060690402711183370

Oh you found it

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/dfa7b9f5bf90a76a messing around with vgc teams again

[wild sinew]

If you have fun by all means go for it but my advice would be to grab a sample as a bunch of things are unviable there

[dense nebula]

Hawlucha sweeps mostly everything - thd ghold thing

[wild sinew]

It's kind of worse Sneasler

And Sneasler is already pretty bad

[pulsar trout]

i think u need protect

[wild sinew]

That's a general thing
Team has 0 protects which is a huge issue in doubles

[pulsar trout]

i think u'd want the 29 speed iv rilla set for this team

unless its not the hot rilla set rn

[winter gulch]

I just think dual terrain is not it

[wild sinew]

That too

[dense nebula]

yeah, didnt really think of that

replaced grassy surge with overgrowth

[pulsar trout]

I think u should replace rilla in general

Also odk what dragonite is doing eith a mixed set

[wanton abyss]

Thanks for posting your team! I would recommend spending a few minutes reading vgcguide.org to get an idea of how to build a team

[dense nebula]

lol i dont know either

i just put it there as a filler

[wanton abyss]

Common mistake I see from players. There should always be a reason you put a move on a Pokémon

Nothing should ever be there “just cause”

[dense nebula]

fair enough

ill probably replace grass seed for psychic seed

replace rilla for gholdengo as a justincase

[wanton abyss]

Just in case what?

[dense nebula]

hawlucha dies

it does pretty good

[pulsar trout]

Amoogus would work better

Imo

[wanton abyss]

It’s worth pointing out that your team has a horrible Chien Pao + Urshifu-Rapid-Strike matchup

And having a bad Watershifu matchup is not a good thing

[dense nebula]

ima go mess around with shed tail

[wanton abyss]

I think the premise of the team is flawed. There’s very little synergy between the six Pokémon you have on this team. They share weaknesses, they get in each others way by rewriting terrain, they don’t complement each other by side activating a weakness policy.

Synergy between two Pokémon is when you put them together and there’s more than one reason that you go “oh nice, these two support each other through (x)”

[wanton abyss]

Easy example is Reg C Ting-Lu + Orthworm. Ting-Lu had Earthquake to activate Orthworm’s Earth Eater, and Vessel of Ruin helped shore up Orthworm’s middling Special Defense stat. In turn, Orthworm with Sitrus Berry almost always got up Shed Tail and allowed you to put whatever sweeper you wanted behind a substitute

[pulsar trout]

Was urshifu allowed in reg c

Im guessing not prolly

[north tree]

Me putting ursh torn rilla harc pao and flutter on a team "just cause"

[rapid sail]

Do people mostly play VGC in competitive?

Is that the offical format? LIke nintendo doesnt do singles

[tulip totem]

vgc is primarily what people play on cartridge, yeah. there is a decently sized community for the singles metagame though, although there aren't as many competitions for it as doubles

[latent salmon]

i have a pretty goofy team

nvm

i changed it so its kinda normal yesterday

https://pokepast.es/dbfd34712cf716d4

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[fresh flicker]

You need some heavy changes.

Now my main question is:

Why the choices you made?

[latent salmon]

i wanted to see and test how unused mons work

and well

this team works decent and i wanna know what alternatives i could have

for comparison and what works best with my playstyle

also i cant use premade sets wven out of vgc for some reason

[north tree]

I have been so astounded that I need some time to think about how to rate this.

[wanton abyss]

Thank you for sharing! As far as trick room teams go, this one stacks weaknesses unnecessarily. You have no water resistance, your team does not have a strong variety of offensive coverage, you’re using Pokémon that are not good at their jobs, and you’ve given us no explanation on what the team does, how it plays, and why it shouldn’t be torn apart, but instead looked at with careful consideration.

[wild sinew]

[Gdansk]

[latent salmon]

what do you suggest i add here instead

it used to me kind of a joke so im trying to keep it away

i usually bring gslowbro, glastrier, ting lu/hands and whatever feels like it fits at the end

and its meant for maximising the damage in trick room and doing more damage than they can handle

i kinda like the damage output of glastrier

[fresh flicker]

That can be shut down easily with tuant.

[severe basin]

https://pokepast.es/7fe5e93c810eb613

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[wild sinew]

Hey, assume you're new to vgc? This team faces a lot of set and synergy issues and it'd be difficult to fix without pretty much building a new team. Would suggest you take a look at pre existing teams and play with them to understand the format and what's good together.
Here is the most recent event, Gdansk; https://victoryroadvgc.com/2024-gdansk/

[empty goblet]

https://pokepast.es/9a3062007c777798 idk king gambit might be better instead of scissor, and maybe Who-chien over tin Lu

[simple mesa]

https://pokepast.es/ac1918583cfcb8a1 wondering how to improve

[junior forge]

Hi, im trying to learn VGC and made this team https://pokepast.es/56c7d8da54cf7f1b and wondering what i can do to improve it.

[fresh flicker]

The team other then trick room and ursaluna, has no synergy. I'd recommend checking teams used in tournaments to get a grip if the meta. https://victoryroadvgc.com/2024-gdansk/

@junior forge

[wild sinew]

I think you find the same synergy issue here, Cress/Ting Lu is too passive for PsySpam, Scizor has anti synergy with indeedee, Sylveon struggles to do much on either mode tbh
Would recommend taking a look at Gdansk teams

[empty goblet]

I usually don’t pair siczor with indeene

[wild sinew]

Still not very favourable. Not to mention Scizor is a pretty bad pokemon rn

[empty goblet]

Wabu king gambit?

[wild sinew]

It'd work better but I'd still suggest picking up a pre existing team

[empty goblet]

Will do

[wild sinew]

ArmaDD synergizes with nothing there
And Cress would only pair well with Kingambit
There's also general issues like no protects, it's just way easier to get into the game using pre existing teams

[empty goblet]

I understand

Thanks

[native knoll]

hi can you vote this team pls and if it has got a good match up against psyspam thx https://pokepast.es/40e93867d92e5921

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[wanton abyss]

Hi, thanks for sharing! This team has a good matchup against psyspam. Hope that helps!

[north tree]

Great team! I don't think your psyspam matchup is terrible with the likes of spinner pao and kingambit.

[native knoll]

ok thx

[digital sierra]

How many spatk evs does specs flutter typically run?

[north tree]

Hi, we usually only rate fully made teams rather than answering questions. A better way to do this would be to take a rental team and ask for advice on the flutter spread.

Anyways flutter mane usually don't run that much special attack investment on specs sets. The usual is 36 with a modest nature but this isn't a hard and fast rule. For example wolfeyvgc ran 220 special attack evs with a timid nature. Assume 36 modest for most flutter however.

[fresh flicker]

https://pokepast.es/2398fdb466850420 I know what you're probably thinking, what are you doing!? What I did was a attempted to repair some issues, first of E-Speed and Fake Out were beginning to become apparent issues. So I put Tsareena in place of rillaboom to keep the fire water grass core, I use hands as my new fake out user and I use RM as a tailwind setter to 2 details, it outspeeds most other pokemon and isn't affected by Prankster. This does mean I lack rain for urshifu, but however I felt to enemy priority issue needed to be resolved without Farigiraf.

[north tree]

A) I'd like to know what calcs clear amulet tsareena hits, you may want to consider a different item.
B) roaring moon desperately wants knock off on it's set, have it be replaced for taunt and if you really want a taunter, slot it on tsar over uturn.

[fresh flicker]

164+ Atk Tsareena Trop Kick vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 116-140 (64 - 77.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I don't think Powerwhips miss chance is worth the extra power.

[wild sinew]

I think I'd recommend Amoonguss or Ogerpon-Wellspeing in the tsareena slot for redirection, you have 3 ground weaknesses and being able to protect them is crucial, your Urshifu mu is also poor imo, so something that nullifies and can switch in isideal. Redirection also helps Gholdengo set up nasty plots much safer. You have protects and an immunity to scout fake out and if the Dragonite locks into Espeed, things like Harc are very reliable.

I think Moon needs Knock off, also experiment with Tera Poison Breaking Swipe as a reliable option of support.

[junior forge]

Hi, i was here yesterday and tried to take the advice to make a more synergistic team and would like to know how well i did with this and what i can still improve or did i fail miserably? https://pokepast.es/58130785479c2610 and the reason for flutter mane is for emergency recovery in case theres a mon on the field that prevents trick room going up.

[fresh flicker]

We'd recommend using teams from the tournaments to get a grip on the meta.

Urshifu is very prominent and even using your Tera on coal isn't ideal.

[wild sinew]

Synergy is much better yes but VGC is pretty cruel, Vikavolt and Coalossal are pretty bad pokemon

[north tree]

Truest statement of the century

[wild sinew]

I can try to salvage the team rq

[north tree]

Hands for vikavolt oger hearth for coal change up the sets and we're fine

[winter gulch]

https://youtu.be/Xs3-17RLdYY?si=_-jue-NaArS0Isvl

[wild sinew]

Suggested changes

• Amoonguss wants protect and Pollen Puff over Clear Smog and Foul Play, healing is especially good for its playstyle and you want to protect it from certain threats. It wants Tera Water for the Fire and Ice resistances.
• Cresselia wants Psychic or Moonblast over Trick to not be a sitting duck (haha), Tera Fairy to flip its dark and bug weaknesses or Water/Poison for certain resistances are good.
• Ursaluna wants Facade over Double Edge as its stronger and doesn't have a drawback, Tera Ghost or Fairy are notably good defensive teras for it
• Coalossol can be replaced with another choiced pokemon, a Nuke like Dragonite, Chi-Yu, Ogerpon Hearthflame are reliable options, but it can also be a Focus Sash Chien-Pao or Urshifu-SS. All these can be part of your fast mode.
• Vikavolt can be an Iron Hands to support Cresselia and the team with fake out while also being a great trick room pokemon itself
• I think Speed Booster Energy Flutter Mane is ideal here, with Icy wind to help the chosen nuke and protect for survivability and stalling out trick room when on the field

[wild sinew]

Lmao

[sand minnow]

Hey is there a Doubles speed tiers page?

Like for SV OU?

[winter gulch]

Depends on when slainey retired

[junior forge]

Hey thanks for the advice, and also catching trick on cresselia thats was from an old strat idea it had focus sash and once it finished setting up T-Room it could give it to someone else

[winter gulch]

I could swesr we had them, apparently not

[wild sinew]

For VGC?

[wild sinew]

Happy to help, good luck on ladder!

[wild sinew]

Idk if my pinned message is ideal

[winter gulch]

What pinned message

[wild sinew]

The one with speeds

[winter gulch]

alright do you want to start doing VGC main forum contributions?

[wild sinew]

I can try!

[sand minnow]

Ah thank you

[wild sinew]

Rest btw

[sand minnow]

Oh ty

I’ll

Connect them together lol

But yeah this is very useful, ty

[burnt surge]

If you do make a speed tiers post, I can add it to !vgcresources

[wild sinew]

Alright

[digital sierra]

https://pokepast.es/372e2b54a39b274b do i need to change the EVs on annihilape? im thinking maybe dropping some speed for atk or spdef to make the tornadus matchup not so abysmal

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[distant stump]

I can send you an ape set if you want

[digital sierra]

would it work on this team?

i also just realized this paste is slightly outdated since i made some tweaks

[distant stump]

I dont really like ape

but if you want to use it im not gonna stop you

the team is pretty well constructed for building around ape

[digital sierra]

oh wow

i usually suck at teambuilding lol

[distant stump]

Like you could probarly get some wins with this

I think you like urshifu here, and bax instead of ape but ape is the whole point so kinda mish

[digital sierra]

the changes i made were switching annihilape's tera to fire, changed rilla and ninetales to tera water, and dropped blizzard for freeze dry so i dont get dumpstered by pelipper

[distant stump]

peliper?

I feel like pon would be the main target but ok

[digital sierra]

you know what

ur right

[digital sierra]

also idk how much of a difference this makes but i am planning to bring this team to a premier challenge this weekend

[distant stump]

GL is all I will say

[wild sinew]

Keep Tera Water on Annihilape, biggest threat to you behind screens would be Urshifu as it crits theough your boosts. Aware you have Wellspring but its not a perfect answer.

Otherwise good team yeah

[digital sierra]

k thanks

[sand minnow]

k thanks

[tulip totem]

https://pokepast.es/85c9ffe662f56c38 pretty standard regidrago tailwind team, farig is mostly there for tr mu, but I’d be willing to make any changes if you guys think something else might be better in that slot

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[wanton abyss]

Thank you for sharing your team! Honestly this is a really solid 6! I hate your EV spreads though

what do they do

[tulip totem]

They’re just the smogon sample spreads, most of them don’t have descriptions with the sets

[wanton abyss]

I find myself feeling more comfortable with a team when I make my own spreads to do what I want

[golden patrol]

https://pokepast.es/0dcc64961aaf2654

Having problems, I want to build around Ape and rilla if that’s possible

Wanted to avoid ToFu as well as just countering them right away

Wyt ?

[fresh flicker]

ToFu?

[pulsar trout]

torn + ursjifu im guessing

[pulsar trout]

why 25 atk and 11 atk ive on chiyu and clef

why is Farigiraf here

[winter gulch]

that's a great way to say TornUrsh

[twilit pollen]

https://pokepast.es/9e2941c62a36fd27
hello can someone give advice on how to change this team
i kinda just put torn and fmane then had no idea what else to use 😅
if it's too unsalvageable pls recommend me some sample team pastes

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[twilit pollen]

lots of raters

[distant stump]

Ya lol

[distant stump]

Its fine honestly

[twilit pollen]

hello again

[distant stump]

Hiya

[twilit pollen]

o that's good 2 hear

[distant stump]

I do recommend going for specs on the flutter

[austere wasp]

Wow

[distant stump]

and rain dance on torn

[austere wasp]

Good job choruto i was about to

[twilit pollen]

okiedokie ty

[distant stump]

But otherwise you can climb with this

[distant stump]

:0

Im faster

[twilit pollen]

speed is justice

even on smogon

[austere wasp]

(specs mane)

[distant stump]

You already have tw

[austere wasp]

Rain dance / sunny day honestly on pref

[distant stump]

Specs is a lot more valuable there

[twilit pollen]

alright :)

thanks v much

[austere wasp]

team doesnt really need speed it needs power

[twilit pollen]

okiedokes

what would be good for that

[austere wasp]

If u really want to win speed uncan go scary fsce

Specs mane...

[twilit pollen]

makes sense

idt i can do scary face that well

ill use specs mane

same evs?

[austere wasp]

Yeah

Change protect

[twilit pollen]

okiedokie

for what move

[austere wasp]

Id recommend icy wind or power gem or tbolt

But u can do misty terrain trick room perish song too

[twilit pollen]

what does each choice hinge on

[austere wasp]

Depends on ur pref

[twilit pollen]

wow that's a lot of move

s

okiedokie ty

[austere wasp]

Yah haha

Usually useless tho soo

[twilit pollen]

ill pick tbolt ig i already have tailwind

o

makes sense

thanks v much :3

[distant stump]

Np

Good luck with the team!

[twilit pollen]

thanks :D

[wild sinew]

I second the suggestion of rain dance Tornadus, though I'd also recommend Banded Harcanine over Heatran here, utilises Tailwind better and has great synergy with the team.

[twilit pollen]

Alrighty

ive never found a chance to use tran

tysm!!

:3

tera normal or fairy tho (smogon set

[distant stump]

fairy tera blast imo

[twilit pollen]

okie dokie

is there another set besides the smogon one?

also ty!

[distant stump]

Should be fine the way it is

[twilit pollen]

alrighty then

thanks again :3

[winter gulch]

2-3 months ago we on our last stand LOL

[twilit pollen]

oh xD

makes a lor of sense then

lot*

[wild sinew]

I saved ! (Partially true)

[austere wasp]

No YOU definitely saved

Shoutouts Leo and Choruto

[wild sinew]

Choruto does a lot yeah
rare for me to open the channel to see the team already rated

[twilit pollen]

o wowsers !

[distant stump]

I dident do that much

[twilit pollen]

u probably did

considering u arrived at lightspeed

[distant stump]

Oh I just redirected you from the smogon vgc server so was kinda waiting if you would post here

[twilit pollen]

o well makes sense

[pulsar trout]

https://pokepast.es/9a4fb3a6ac23074e i got bored and made a sylveon sunroom

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[north tree]

No need to use dgleam and hyper voice on the same Sylveon set, try hyper beam in the third slot and tera blast in the 4th as hyper voice with tera fairy does more to flutter anyways.

Ursaluna doesn't need stone edge try swords dance bulk up ice punch substitute shadow claw or earthquake.

I think scarf Lando can be traded for iron hands, this pokemon is the secret sauce behind cress tr.

Tera water instead of grass on amoonguss.

[pulsar trout]

i had a brainfart putting dgleam and hypervoice on the same set

https://pokepast.es/9f91a753dde5b671 will this be alright?

[distant stump]

Oh hi

Dont go for tera fighting on hands

and also fix your ev spreads a bit

[pulsar trout]

oh yea thx

[distant stump]

The sets https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc24-regulation-e/ here are good

and while you dont have to use iut

EVs: 228 HP / 124 Def / 124 SpA / 4 SpD / 28 Spe
Modest Nature

This is my sylveon spread

[pulsar trout]

does it have any funny calcs

[distant stump]

I dont remember them all off the top of my head, made this a long time ago

[pulsar trout]

its alr

do i have to be that fast for this team

[distant stump]

you live things like heavy slam from hands, tera normal SoR dragonite Extreme speed, tera fairy specs flutter mb, and some other stuff

[distant stump]

Nah you can drop it if you want

[distant stump]

Dont remember the offensive stuff though :<

[pulsar trout]

alr thx

[native knoll]

hi guys can you help me with this team. I think it has not got a good match up against tailwind staf+arcanine hisui https://pokepast.es/1c59c16504d8f428

[pulsar trout]

i feel like gambit would be to slow for this team

if u put rocky helm on amoong u have a way to beat tornfu

is there any important calcs with the ivs

[native knoll]

onestly no are classic spreads

[pulsar trout]

?

wdym

[pulsar trout]

i think u just have to change the evs

[north tree]

I think you just need clearer gameplans your matchup looks even. The spreads could do with a bit of work and some of your choices look experimental but overall the team is perfectly fine. I agree with stuff on the helmet idea it can really go a long way.

[tidal solstice]

https://pokepast.es/84c557bf5711d7ba focused on beating trickroom/psyspam

[fresh flicker]

First off why inteleion?

[pulsar trout]

i had a mental reset when i saw that geeko

i prolly spelt that wrong

[tidal solstice]

i like it and snipe shot to ignore follow me and rage powder

[pulsar trout]

why acrobatics

[tidal solstice]

oh mb thats supposed to be protect

[fresh flicker]

Urshifu can replace it no issue, Taunt shuts Amoongus down so we have no problem.

[pulsar trout]

ill give that inteleon this

[fresh flicker]

Besides inteleion is unviable.

[pulsar trout]

its got the best name ive ever seen other then that roaring moon named "MF MOON"

[tidal solstice]

MF MOON??

[pulsar trout]

perfect name for roaring moon

[tidal solstice]

but I run into trickroom psyspam every day and this felt like a good solution

[tidal solstice]

yes

but what about the rest of the team

[fresh flicker]

Rillaboom is also a good counter. Removes their terrain is excellent by all means.

[tidal solstice]

i tried rillaboom but I had trouble with weezing teams

[fresh flicker]

That's normal

[pulsar trout]

u got high horsepower

[fresh flicker]

They're still not easy, but they are simple to handle with the right experience.

[tidal solstice]

what about the rest of the team?

other than inteleon

[fresh flicker]

As for tailwind, everything is fine, I'd say perhaps go the Urshifu-S route if you want sun and to replace inteleion with that.

[pulsar trout]

classic blunder putting protect on fm

[tidal solstice]

i replaced it with tbolt already I realised it

[pulsar trout]

dw i make the same mistake countless wtime

[fresh flicker]

Also offensive > Specs, even if you don't have sun up Booster Energy special att still does big damage.

And Protosynthesis ignores weezing

[pulsar trout]

https://pokepast.es/5de56abf4664e814 i think this'll be good if u dont mind replacing inteleon

29 speed allows to underspeed 31 speed indeedee setting ur terrain last

[fresh flicker]

I'd say the Urshifu-S route is better if you want to threaten them immediately with big damage.

Rillaboom can't do that if Arma goes for Armor canon.

[pulsar trout]

ud just have to go rain dance > sunny day

right?

in retrospect urshifu prolly is the right way

[pulsar trout]

what do u do infront of tornfu

ig u'd go hands

[fresh flicker]

Yea, the lead does not want to be dealt with wild charge.

[wild sinew]

Team looks fine honestly

Pao Hands is dominant into TornShifu and you can utilise Lando and Hands for Harc, should also abuse the opportunities you get to spore with Amoonguss as it's really big for stalling out Tailwind

[wild sinew]

Snarl Chi Yu is basically an auto win vs Psyspam.
Though on the team itself, I think Inteleon is out of place here, Urshifu, Ogerpon, or Chien Pao bring significantly more value

Remember to replace protect on your Flutter Mane as youre choice specs

[tidal solstice]

.

[tidal solstice]

those dont work as well with chi as I would like. dont benefit from beads nearly as much as the already glass cannon spatker inteleon

[wild sinew]

They don't need to be boosted from Beads of Ruin because they have other synergy with the team that is more valuable than what Inteleon could bring

[tidal solstice]

such as?

[wild sinew]

Urshifu is kind of an upgrade here due to the bulk, surging strikes, and unseen fist, can be paired with fake out or in general strong offensive pressure, it's nice that you have things that pressure Urshifu's worst matchups and that's especially good for it due to unseen fist.

Chien Pao has better synergy with Landorus and its a fantastic pokemon individually due to the Offensive typing

Ogerpon can patch some unfavourable matchups here like Iron Hands Amoonguss and being a great sun abuser itself

What do you want from the Empoleon slot exactly?

[golden patrol]

Torn urshifu

[golden patrol]

Lolwut- I definitely wanted to put on SpDef

Or reg

[digital sierra]

https://pokepast.es/fada2835567b3403 should i swap ogerpon for specs flutter? i feel like ogerpon never contributes much to a game and i need more tools to not get ruined by torn

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[austere wasp]

You can

Also i think rilla doesnt need water tera, instead it can go fire tera

[digital sierra]

k

[wild sinew]

Wellspring is best here imo

Not much to comment about the team as it looks good, would recommend a bulkier Alolatales spread but that's it.

[digital sierra]

ive lost a ton of games to torn and really need a good answer for it

unless tera water ivy cudgel can ohko torn?

plus i feel like i need a bit more offense that doesnt get crippled by rain

[digital sierra]

how is my team supposed to handle torn?

[distant stump]

Rilla -> hands

[digital sierra]

touche

[digital sierra]

do you think ape could use some more defense investment?

[distant stump]

Annihilape @ Leftovers
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 228 HP / 36 Atk / 76 Def / 140 SpD / 28 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Drain Punch
• Rage Fist
• Bulk Up
• Protect

try this set maybe

I made this one for someone pretty recently

Same bulk up ape stuff

[digital sierra]

i remember you suggested bax last night

is that worth a go?

[distant stump]

yeah sure

Bax also seems good there

[digital sierra]

would it be better than ape?

[distant stump]

I think so

[digital sierra]

what set should i go with?

[distant stump]

The dex set should be fine, maybe swords dance

[digital sierra]

im a bit worried about intimidate

maybe im just being irrational

[distant stump]

Clear amulet?

[digital sierra]

oh i forgot i could do that

should i still run the same moves or switch them around?

[distant stump]

Maybe no swords dance, so like crash scale shot hh and protect

[digital sierra]

aight ill give that a shot

[digital sierra]

should i invest more into attack?

i feel like without SD bax will hit like a baby

[distant stump]

I've never used bax befoer honestly

I think its fine but do some testing yourself

[tidal solstice]

https://pokepast.es/d3d709409b553253 I updated the team based on the received feedback. Thoughts?

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[native knoll]

urshifu: give item mystic water and change ev in low hp and more spd

[native knoll]

flutter mane: give more bulk

[tidal solstice]

tried both: died to hornleech from ogerpon in 1 hit which I live now. mystic water resulted in too much dmg taken from rocky helm indeedee

[tidal solstice]

then the name flutter nuke doesnt work anymore

[native knoll]

Indeedee has more probably ps seed

[tidal solstice]

seen rocky helm farigiraf and amoonguss too

[native knoll]

ok don't worry if you come down easily

[wild sinew]

Mystic Water Urshifu is ideal here yes, make sure your Flutter at least lives Adamant sucker punch him Chien Pao

[tidal solstice]

Ok thanks I’ll try

[tidal solstice]

https://pokepast.es/56fe96683d97919e

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[north tree]

adamant hands > careful hands and I would suggest overheat over snarl on chiyu

[tidal solstice]

Snarl has helped against indeedeerouge psyspam and it a good way to shut down flutter

But I can go adamant hands

[north tree]

Ah ok that's fine then

adamant hands is my only suggestion then gl with the team!

[tidal solstice]

Tyy

The ev’s all good?

[wild sinew]

Good call on Hands

I missed that

[wild sinew]

Yes they should be fine now

[tidal solstice]

Okay thanks a lot

Thanks everyone

[tropic tinsel]

All the cards stacked against me but I learnin' how to deal: https://pokepast.es/f6e7ea57be6abf7a

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[tropic tinsel]

No I did not run calcs

Also the last 4 coal evs go in spd

[north tree]

Coalossal isn't good in this format at all and the way you have built it does not convince me either. You share a typing with your hisuian arcanine (which btw has tera blast normal??) while just being a worse version of it offensively. Dragapult is now relegated to support while normally with farigiraf it can spam powerful banded attacks without fear of sucker punch.

If I were to change the team, I would replace bundle for pao, throw coal off the team, get dpult to run a banded set, give giraffe a set of psychic dgleam hh trick room with helmet/sitrus and finally add a tornadus or scarf urshifu in the last slot.

If you want to build coalossal, you'll have to find a set that isn't just inferior to most of the special attackers in the format. Steam engine is nice and all but why not run tornadus plus a better specs attacker? For example specs flutter mane next to is just undeniably better being faster stronger, not as reliant on tera, the speed control being prankster, a spread move, better stabs etc.

[winter gulch]

how does nobody have a g-max coalossal gif on the entirety of Google

[north tree]

Not a gif, but it works

[pseudo current]

https://pokepast.es/88a1b73a3c22c840

[drifting onyx]

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[pseudo current]

Hows that?

[wild sinew]

• Would recommend Choice Band Dragapult with Tera Ghost Tera Blast, the good set right now which maximises damage. Or you could use Flutter Mane in this slot, if uncomfortable with 6 physical attackers
• Hydreigon is pretty unviable right now due to a poor meta mu and is generally inconsistent in its roles, Chien-Pao to boost Dragapult and Kingambit, while threatening what they can't, is ideal here.
• I'd suggest Follow me Ogerpon Hearthflame over Chi-Yu and Swords Dance Kingambit over Iron Great. Two pair really well and it allows Kingambit to safely use its strongest set, while also pairing well with Rillaboom.

[pseudo current]

How about this? https://pokepast.es/cba14c9f094dc716

[wanton abyss]

What’s your Chien Pao matchup

[wild sinew]

Kind of the same advice
I think Follow me Hearthflame and Swords Dance Gambit fits really well here
Salamence is better off as something like Chien-Pao, just doesn't really fit the team's playstyle imo
You want a bulkier SpA Booster spread for Flutter Mane (28/0/212/68/4/196 Modest is an example)

[wanton abyss]

giving out free spreads smh

I do agree with the Mence to Pao change

[chilly jasper]

https://pokepast.es/3866e6d8bddcfcbb

[drifting onyx]

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[chilly jasper]

Pretend mudsdale is tera steel

https://pokepast.es/220aba1ff082110c

Unfortunately mudsdale is terrible

[chilly jasper]

https://pokepast.es/3317bb28abfe3b49

[north tree]

Grassy glide is an amazing move on rilla, don't forgo it. Either switch out hhp or U-turn. Flutter mane spread wise can do with a slight edit. Drop your speed to 124 investment and add the 8 evs to spa. Due to rounding and booster energy, this actually gives you 4 extra special attack for one invested stat.

[chilly jasper]

I will swap uturn for it and do the spread, thanks

[wanton abyss]

im preferential to tera poison king because you get to set up in front of way more stuff

[chilly jasper]

Posion resist both of flutters stabs right?

I also forget what resists ghost

Oh also, king is 110% only there for fluttermane

And rilla has hh for hands

[wanton abyss]

not both, but flutter isnt shadow balling you

[chilly jasper]

Sounds good, thank you

I don't know why I am spending so much time on this tean

This reg is almost over

And I plan on swapping king for archaludon IF it is good

And I am considering incin over harca

But I really like arcanine

[wanton abyss]

https://pokepast.es/f1f22900a918c8dd one last Reg E local double header. can I cut with this

[winter gulch]

yeah looks solid, just gotta game

[wild sinew]

You can yeah

Though Cress doesn't look like it fits well here
or id Cress is mandatory I find smth like Luna to be stronger over Lando

Smaller notes but not a big fan of Flutter being threatened by even Jolly Crash, and you probably want mixed defences on Pon, at least surviving -1 Lando if you keep your own.

[wanton abyss]

I always forget the defensive benchmarks for flutter; will adjust that spread as needed. I will hear no Cress slander. It could be a Farigiraf honestly. Probably will cave and do timid specs Flutter and cry when I miss the KOs

[north tree]

36 modest is a pretty good benchmark for modest flutter, you can run the standard booster spa spread with 36spa instead of 68 then have even more bulk than usual

My specs flutter went pretty slow and was evd to live 252 adamant surging strikes from urshifu, 252 modest make it rain from gholdengo without boosts and lorb ice spinner from pao.

[wanton abyss]

Slow flutter might be the play here

[north tree]

If you need a starting point my spread was 196hp 204def 36spa 4spdef 68spe

Only meant to outspeed jolly shifu

[naive dock]

https://pokepast.es/5b7993e344cce61d :3 Thoughts?

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[wild sinew]

Ideally Rillaboom over Iron Hands as it synergizes better with Urshifu and Chien-Pao.
Ally Switch is relatively inconsistent on Farigiraf, Helping Hand, Imprison, Protect, etc bring more imo
Missing 4 EVs on Flutter btw
Remember to change Urshifu to Tera Water

[naive dock]

I've been doing quite well with ally switch ngl

[wanton abyss]

I think Scarf Urshifu makes this team weaker. I like your Hands/Farig/Pult/Pao core, and flutter is just slappable on teams like this. A splash plate or safety goggles mid speed urshifu would work pretty well here, as it adds to your trick room offense options and still allows it to be useful. Also, please change to tera water

[pseudo current]

https://pokepast.es/9c3cf7ed17a631e9

[winter gulch]

you can make Flutter SpA Booster at 180 speed which is personally imo one of the most impressive Flutter feats

bc you outspeed everything you could possible want except timid max speed dozo

[wild sinew]

What was your thought process when building?

[winter gulch]

what is december 11

[wild sinew]

Idk

[pseudo current]

I wanted to build around a fire water grass core and i felt like amoongus was underutilized in the format so I decided to run it with rocky helmet and add other pokemon that had high potential against other meta pokemon threats like roaring moon, urshifu, and rillaboom i figured that lando t and baxcaliber get shut down by urshifu so i added thunderus to go with amoongus to add more counters to urshifu

I felt like it had an over all even matchup or favorable againt most of the meta

[wild sinew]

Issue with Lando/Shifu is that both demand Scarf on balance, so you either sacrifice Shifu for Waterpon or Iron Bundle, or sacrifice Lando for something more offensive in Kingambit, Chien-Pao, or Lando-I

My big issues however are Baxcalibur and Thundurus is they're not very good here, like Baxcalibur functions as a less reliable Chien-Pao or Roaring Moon on this team, underperforms outside of Veil because really no reason to use it.

Thundurus here is just better as an Iron Hands, who isn't scared of Tailwind Surging Strikes, Iron Hands also pairs really well with Amoonguss, who can heal it up and fake out + spore on occasions, redirect a Stomping or a Moonblast, and so on. One of the best duos right now and you'd be missing out

[severe basin]

https://pokepast.es/21d46bfa9507e6a7

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[distant stump]

Overall team comp is fine, I would switch out cresselia for another trick room abuser like torkoal

A lot of the teras and moves are weird

You want rocky helmet or a recovery item on indeedee, games just dont last long enough for terrain extension to matter

[severe basin]

Could you elaborate a tad further?

[distant stump]

Sorry went to the toilet

So deedee you dont want terrain extender, and you generaly dont want heal pulse on that last slot, something like helping hand is much more usefull

arma wants tera psychic or grass to resist common weakness or do more damage

also wide guard or focus blast instead of energy ball, its kinda useless

Why are you running 252 modest amoonguss?

[severe basin]

Honestly I just clicked auto

[distant stump]

I see

you really want sitrus and then pollen puff/spore/protect/rage powder

flutter wants specs or booster energy, sitrus is pointless your just going to die before it procs

[distant stump]

I reccomend you get sets from herehttps://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc24-regulation-e/

[severe basin]

👍

Any other comments?

[wild sinew]

When you go for Specs Flutter go for a much faster Flutter, this is so Flutter becomes a lead option and you're more versatile in what you can do

Otherwise 6 is fine, maybe try Hilligant over Amoonguss and see what you prefer

[distant stump]

Diden't catch that sorry

[distant stump]

Also december 11th?

[wild sinew]

Means nothing dw

[distant stump]

mkay..

also where did espeon go :<

[wild sinew]

My friend was supposed to come back yesterday

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[spark salmon]

Wtf?

[real cedar]

dw its normal

[spark salmon]

Oh wait..I messed up one of the links

Hold on

Team 1: https://pokepast.es/c4ca6a6ba88b82cd

Team 2: https://pokepast.es/0bee160304f22301

[wild sinew]

I hate to break it to you but I don't think the teams are viable

[spark salmon]

I checked with showdown and they said they are

So...

[wild sinew]

Hm?

Ninetales is a bad pokemon, and sun is usually used manually with prankster

Charizard is just worse Chi-Yu, Chi does more damage even w solar power into account and has a better mu into Heatran and Harc

Murkrow is Tornadus lite, this should be your sun setter

Garg isn't really great either, has anti synergy with your team and poor into the current meta

Brute Bonnet isn't a good mon either, vulnerable to far too many things and little to offer

Leafeon is unviable and worse H-lilligant, I don't think this is the type of team Sylveon wants to be in, you're just making Heatran an auto lose mu honestly

[spark salmon]

Okay

1: I'm doing a challenge where I make a Competitive team baed on wonder traded mons, and can only use the mons I got from trades

2: I'm trying my best, and I'm still somewhat new

2.5: I'm not using rentals..

[chilly jasper]

Then why ask for it to be rated

There is only so much that can be done if don't want to use more meta pokemon

[spark salmon]

🤦

I feel like I can't say anything at all..

[chilly jasper]

Some of these pokemon are usable for some niche they provide, like zard solar power is decent on sun but gets absolutely destroy by the Omni present hisuian arcanine
Murkow is a bit worse than torn but with pranster thunder wave it has different utility than torn
Overall you are extremely hisuian arcanine weak on team one

Firstly every single ev spread on both teams won't work well in vgc, most Pokemon invest heavily into defenses and hp and very rarely invest 252 into one stat, but I am not quite experienced enough to give good ev spreads for each member

[spark salmon]

Well I was using the suggested Showdown Spreads for each mon

Idk why

[chilly jasper]

Actually imma stop for a moment

I highly recommend grabbing a sample team and learning the meta before using a more creative team like this

[chilly jasper]

These are singles sets, you need to manually click vgc for the vgc sets

You could do something with these teams, but you absolutely can't if you aren't at least familiar with the metagame

[spark salmon]

Oh...

[chilly jasper]

I don't mean to be harsh, everyone starts somewhere

But building your own teams comes after you learn what you need to deal with and prepare for

[spark salmon]

..would watching people play the meta help or do I need to experience it myself?

[chilly jasper]

Watching does help actually!

Very well

But you do want to play at least a bit yourself

[spark salmon]

Well I don't know what the major obstacles are in this meta

[chilly jasper]

I would say sample team

But I am not sure if smogon has vgc samples

[spark salmon]

Does that mean "use rentals"

[chilly jasper]

They are rental teams on cart and sample teams on showdown

[spark salmon]

So..they're the same thing but for different purposes?

[chilly jasper]

They are the same thing basically

[spark salmon]

...okay then

[onyx vortex]

https://pokepast.es/cb9063d7347037c5

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild sinew]

I hate to see it but I think you'll want to look at sample teams, as 4 of your pokemon are bad and the two good ones use the wrong sets

Ting Lu is just weak to everything and the power level is far too high for fissure to be consistent

Blissy and walls are in general way too passive for doubles, you can switch in on Flutter Mane but what if Iron Hands is its partner? Just doesn't work out

Torkoal takes a more offensive set from what I've said before, usually uses eruption under Trick room and pairs with Hisuian Liligant for a fast mode

Flutter Mane prefers bulk and a stronger item, like Pixie Plate, Booster Energy, or Choice Specs. Wise Glasses just doesn't hit hard enough in the current meta and misses notable kos

Meowscarada struggles because of its speed tier and damage output, they can't make up for its frailty in a Flutter Mane and Chien Pao metagame

Goodra is just not good at all, doesn't output enough damage and is vulnerable to many things due to its speed. Best set is acid armor body press so it can actually do damage, but it's generally outclassed by Kommo-o in said role

[onyx vortex]

what are the two mons that are good but wrong sets?

[wild sinew]

Flutter and Torkoal

[onyx vortex]

ah okay. What about this?
https://pokepast.es/b6929b039ce52dc9
(dragonite and kingambit were fillers)

[wild sinew]

I think a 6 of Torkoal Flutter Mane Hisuian Liligant Armarouge Indeedee Ursaluna suits what you're trying to run

[onyx vortex]

ill try and make a team around this and send it for review if thats okay

[wild sinew]

Alright

[fathom token]

https://pokepast.es/2e65b7909e66eb6c

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fathom token]

I wanted to give brute bonnet a shot here

it can be rlly useful, even with its unfortunate type combination (dark is rlly weak in this meta)

I selected EVs so that brute bonnet can outspeed iron hands

the rest of the team came naturally to me: N.gas weezing (I love it and its very powerfull) speed booster icy wind flutter for speed control with tornadus tailwind, band dragonite...

[pulsar trout]

why is weezing here

[chilly jasper]

Ngas has anti synergy with a lot of your team, turning off pranster and inner focus is really really harmful to your team

You would much rather run chi-yu or roaring moon over brute bonnet

And probably rilla over weezing

[fathom token]

just two of them get harmed by it
I can just grab em out if I need to, or if I feel that its not being useful at a given moment

[fathom token]

please justify your answer

I really think brute bonnet is good here

[chilly jasper]

Both better sun team dark types

Chi-yu is literally Johnathan Sun and still does damage off of sun

And roaring moon actually shouldn't even be talked about

[fathom token]

I do know that, chi-yu rules

[chilly jasper]

The best sun team dark type is just chiyu

[fathom token]

poor boi

[chilly jasper]

I keep forgetting you have torn as a tailwind and sun setter

[fathom token]

its not really that much of a sun team, it just has that to activate proto

[chilly jasper]

Maybe you should lean into one thing or another either go sun and build around that or go ngas and build more around that

Imo anyway

[fathom token]

I'm a bit of a mixer

I don't usually do that kind of stuff

that's why I like bonnet, lil boi's just like me

offensive and support

[chilly jasper]

Why ask for advice? Seems you are pretty content with what you have

[fathom token]

that's true

I just

I think I just like to share my teams in general and idk

is there a specific channel for that?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[balmy valley]

https://pokepast.es/d5a5054c6ae503ff

some thinking for reg f

[onyx vortex]

https://pokepast.es/586f586d2667c289

@wild sinew

i put the team together, any recs?

[wild sinew]

252/252 Torkoal here, better than wasting EVs.

I'd recommend Moonblast over Calm Mind and going a bulkier Tera Fairy Choice Specs Flutter Mane (28/0/212/132/4/132 Timid is an example) for more survivability and to strengthen 2 of your stabs, while also dodging opposing Flutter Mane

Liligant wants focus sash to make up for frailty and close combat over petal blizzard for Heatran, Tera Ghost or Fighting in that case which are most effective with focus sash

Armarouge should run trick room over dark pulse and either protect or wide guard over destiny bond, generally works as a trick room pokemon because of how fast the meta is. Also terrain extender doesn't effect it so go Life Orb or Twisted Spoon

Heavy duty boots is bad on Indeedee as hazards aren't relevant, consider safety goggles for Amoonguss or rocky helmet to punish Urshifu, even Psychic Seed to round out bulk. Switch to a Phys Def female version btw

I'd suggest Regular Ursaluna to not stack too many special attackers here

[onyx vortex]

what evs do i 252/252 on torkoal?

[wild sinew]

Hp and SpA

[onyx vortex]

https://pokepast.es/c41455697b9ddfbe

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Give Torkoal, Armarouge, optionally Indeedee and Ursaluna a quite (brave for Luna) nature with 0 speed IVs to maximise use of trick room.
Make Indd a bold nature and dump all of the SpA into HP, intended to be a support Pokémon. You'd benefit from follow me over fake out which doesn't work in Psychic terrain

Headlong rush is preferable over high horsepower for the power and you want protect over seismic toss to safely proc flame orb or to position

[onyx vortex]

https://pokepast.es/78dd514d127134aa

[wild sinew]

This should be fine

[onyx vortex]

wooooo okay thank uou so much

[gentle lagoon]

hey i haven't finished the team yet but would bloodmoon ursa and iron hands still be good trick room attackers in the new meta

[chilly jasper]

https://pokepast.es/e77572c3402d2e87

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[chilly jasper]

I think I cooked but I might need ev tweaks

[distant stump]

I mean, overall it looks fine

If I had to say what is arch doing there?

It feels kinda out of place

but like I think you can win games with this, ya the evs could also use some adjustments

[chilly jasper]

It's a rain team

Electro shot doesn't need to charge in rain and I needed a steel type that isn't weak to a flutter stab move

Used ghold for awhile for that role

[distant stump]

Does arch even ohko flutter?

I feel like arch just doesen't really fit in the overall composition of the team

you want to be going fast and offensive

Rilla and incin are already filling the defensive roll so you need offenses to cover for them

and arch just kinda sets there

[chilly jasper]

A few changes I am going to make

Swapping rolls for amoongus and giving arch the av

I genuinely have a lot of faith in archaludon, I think it helps a lot with a lot of problems my old team had

[distant stump]

I say give it a shot

doesen't look bad by any means

I think the first draft of the team is better tho

maybe lorb on dura?

[chilly jasper]

That could help with it's current lackluster unboosted damage

Leo recommended those two changes and I usually trust them

But I really like countering psyspam with rilla

Yeah I prefer leftovers

It wearing itself down hurts a lot

[distant stump]

Alr

[distant stump]

GL with the team

[chilly jasper]

I am bringing it to the San Antonio regional so I am going to test it a lot

Also because I do have a brain

I am swapping aura sphere for body press

[latent salmon]

i wish i could go to tournaments but i have 2 issues

1. i dont live in a major city
2. im not skilled enough to make it worth it

[chilly jasper]

@distant stump why are the new paradoxes legal

Are they not events?

No, no that aren't okay

[distant stump]

?

Afaik they are in the Pokédex

[chilly jasper]

I thought they were like how wake was introduced

Theu are static encounters now

[distant stump]

Even if event only

I think it’s alllowed

[chilly jasper]

Wake wasn't legal in reg e

Because it was event only

[distant stump]

I got no clue

[chilly jasper]

But they aren't event anymore

So yeah def legal haha

[pulsar trout]

I thought the ruleset for regf wasnt announced

[distant stump]

There’s a reg f ladder up on showdown

[pulsar trout]

Will it change when the rules are announced

[odd osprey]

Lurantis is my favourite Mon and I think it'll be really good with incineroar running around due to contrary, so I made this team any advise is welcome but I really want to keep lurantis.
https://pokepast.es/2148dae617e634c6

[chilly jasper]

Swap kingambit for armarouge ushifu does very very little for you, you would prefer either usraluna

[odd osprey]

Ursaluna or?

[chilly jasper]

Ursaluna or usraluna bloodmoon lol

Either of the two ursalunas

[odd osprey]

💀 alright, thank you kind stranger

Any recommended builds?

[ornate cloak]

VGC reg F team

https://pokepast.es/129eea87c0935b19

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Spiky Shield for survivability is preferable over Trailblaze on Ogerpon, utilise other pokemon to protect it from faster threats. Would also suggest a bulkier EV spread fit for the role

Maushold is just a bad pokemon right now and can't keep up with the stats, can use Scarf Urshifu to complete a Fire water Grass core.

Archaludon doesn't achieve much on balance, Iron Hands is the better AV pokemon here

Make Flutter Mane bulkier SpA Booster Energy I would say, with Moonblast over Calm Mind.

Amoonguss should be Tera Water here, and using Rocky Helmet or Sitrus Berry over Black Sludge which hurts you if you Tera.

[ornate cloak]

Alright

Ty

[gentle lagoon]

reg f team; not really sure what to use cause i havent played vgc in a while but i wanted to try out something like this
https://pokepast.es/6ac694b09d5965b7

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild sinew]

Anything specific you're building around?

[gentle lagoon]

the idea was to have sinistcha/ursa/hands able to trick room against faster teams if needed while still being able to pick them to counter trick room leads, mane is there just for extra damage against urshifu, hands, etc, and clefairy and arch are meant to pair together to deal with attacker + follow me support leads

in hindsight i think it might be lacking for physical damage since hands is the only one who does that

[wild sinew]

In that case I'd recommend going for a pivot heavy core recycling hospitality and Iron Hands' fake out. As you already have a redirector and lack a pokemon that demands much, Incineroar can go over Clefairy synergising well with the core and being the best pokemon in the format.

Consider regular Ursaluna over Bloodmoon for the damage output, spore immunity, and bringing in another physical attacker.

I think Flutter Mane wants a Bulky Choice Specs set to apply maximum pressure here without losing its boost as you pivot.

Archaludon is just frail without AV and isn't that big of a threat without rain Electro shit. Gholdengo fills in a steel type well and abuses the available support with Nasty Plot.

[gentle lagoon]

alright tysm!!!

[cosmic nexus]

https://pokepast.es/765f18bbbac48cf8

(reg f) any thoughts? :3

[wild sinew]

Urshifu wants standard Close Combat and Aqua Jet on a Tailwind team, very offensve and hard for yu to benefit as much from Sub or Ice Spinner.

I'd recommend Chien-Pao or Amoonguss over Metagross for a better Raging Bolt and Flutter Mane matchup. two make it hard for Urshifu.

Tornadus is better than Whimsicott here, team reall wants rain, esp Urshifu. Not to mention it hits much harder

You want another move over Thunderbolt on Flutter Mane imo as you already have Raging Bolt

Raging Bolt needs Thuderclap over Tera Blast, Poison keeps the Lando weakness and doesn't bring you enough value, consider Fairy or Grass

[cosmic nexus]

thanks for the input

[distant stump]

Btw the urshifu set is the james boyt urshifu

Not good for the team but its not half bad honestly

[worn turtle]

Reg F trick team! Please help-

[distant stump]

Stacking way too much support honestly

Basically the only threat here si the ursaluna and hatt, maybe the reuni

If they have a psy spam answer your cooked

[burnt surge]

!pokepaste

[drifting onyx]

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[worn turtle]

Do I need to change any moves or something? (Keeping in mind I’d like to keep this team-)

[distant stump]

Its kiknda hard to see the moves

[wild sinew]

Yeah, it on Tailwind is the main issue

[distant stump]

I think pretty much everything needs some adjustments

[wild sinew]

Expanding Force > Draining Kiss is one

[distant stump]

You really want protect on a lot of the mons like ursa

You really really want indedee here

[worn turtle]

Honestly I wanted a healing move for Hatterene but I do see how putting ef would work

[worn turtle]

I don’t know- I’d rather have Reuniclus set up and do that or have both Hatterene and it on the field so at least one of them can hit it off. Then again Reuniclus and Hatterene do have higher special attack then Indeedee-

[wild sinew]

It's that manually setting it up takes time and you could be ohkod before you do anything, the meta is at a higher power level rn

[worn turtle]

True but can’t I just focus SWSH

Sash*

[burnt surge]

The foe's Incineroar used Fake Out!

[worn turtle]

I don’t like that

[burnt surge]

The foe's Urshifu used Surging Strikes!

[worn turtle]

I haven’t played swsh and incineroar sounds terrifying

But do I need protect on everything

[wild sinew]

Not everything but in general a good move

[gentle lagoon]

hey i tried the team out and only then did it dawn on me that i had 3 ghost types

is that too much of an issue cause like