#VGC Rates

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distant stump
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Lol

wanton abyss
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I am looking at Yawn Empoleon tbh

distant stump
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For final slots

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flutter for sure

umbral valve
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I have a question. When raging bolt comes out would it be just like hands

distant stump
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We literally

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have 0 clue

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well I haven't seen the leaks so

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

umbral valve
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The stats didn't come out yet?

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That's too bad but it's fine

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It has thunderclap

distant stump
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not yet afaik

umbral valve
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Its just fake out but better I think

wanton abyss
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thunderclap is funny

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but we don’t know anything else about it

umbral valve
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Yeah

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So anyway is chi you in a good spot for my team

wanton abyss
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as in, you adding Chi Yu?

umbral valve
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I already had chi yu

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Here is the team I made

distant stump
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Booster flutter and specs yu yeah

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looks pre good

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we already have booster

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so I guess specs or pixie plate

umbral valve
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Ok

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How's ogerpon in my team

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I just wanted a fast physical hitter tbh

distant stump
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You dont really need a fast physical attacker

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flutter handles hands just fine

umbral valve
distant stump
umbral valve
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So shall I keep it

distant stump
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Maybe lando t?

umbral valve
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Yeah maybe

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Anything else

distant stump
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for now should be fine

distant stump
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to get started

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good luck

umbral valve
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Thanks you so much

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Thank you to@wanton abyss

sand minnow
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wild sinew
# sand minnow i like making my own teams and not using rental teams so https://pokepast.es/b22...

I'd recommend a 3 attacks set for Ogerpon Hearthflame here, nothing appreciates the redirection enough and this seems to be a standard Tailwind HO team where Ogerpon wants to bonk as much as possible

With that, you want Sunny Day on Tornadus to boost your pokemon and play better into rain, Scarf Urshifu in particular rips apart your team

Remember to change Iron Hands' Tera, Fairy is a good neutral type and has a better overall mu into things but Fire let's it live opposing fire types and sun cancels out the water weakness, both are strong options for this team

sand minnow
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ty!

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what would you reccomend as a counter for Scarf Urshifu if i were to change out chein-pao? i feel like i only used him for his ability and not as an actual pokemon.

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he's kinda just fodder to lower stats

wild sinew
sand minnow
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ok. thank you!

wild sinew
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Happy to help

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27, 37, 47, 57

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distant stump
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lol

wild sinew
distant stump
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well

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its nearly 2:07 where I live

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tada

distant stump
wild sinew
wanton abyss
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https://pokepast.es/0a50b5cf0a37d3e6 I’m making XernDon again. the goal is to be as close to the Big Six from 2016 as possible, through both design and function. Torn + H-Arc fill the Talon-Mega Mence roles

frosty wadi
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suggesting glide on the pon since you dont even have any priority other than rilla and vs tr if you dont ohko you basically get screwed once they ko rilla

distant stump
wanton abyss
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If we’re trying to make this a legit team, that’s a whole other chat

distant stump
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Yeah I assumed so

wanton abyss
distant stump
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Maybe uhh

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I got no clue

wanton abyss
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If you were making it a real team

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Scarf shifu would go over what

distant stump
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Hearthflame or harc

wanton abyss
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probably lando-i since its ass

distant stump
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(true)

wanton abyss
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Probably heartflame

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Not because its bad

distant stump
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Its overlapping with harc

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and harc fits better there

wanton abyss
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But because I think the team needs intimidate

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Double fire was intentional

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Makes sunny day more justifiable and lets me have a real matchup into watershifu where I click sunny day and he now cant ohko anything on my team

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Torn Rilla H-Arc is solid tho

distant stump
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Torn Rilla Harc Urshifu best core

sage fractal
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its definatly a more offensive core; and you could just splash Flutter and Pao to this and not break synergy

wanton abyss
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but then where’s my primal groudon equivalent uwu

sage fractal
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Missing Precipe blades in gen8 ; Jokes aside Ogerpon + Chienpao would go hard too in the sun

wanton abyss
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Torn Rilla HArc Shifu Flutter/Pon Pao

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seems like a decent core

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except I hate Chien pao

sage fractal
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I can understand that, but Pao gives a lot of synergy in terms of damage thresholds

wanton abyss
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dumb ass ice cat

sage fractal
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I like swordcat

wanton abyss
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I’ve gotten a lot of CP with sword cat so it’s good

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I know it is

sage fractal
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but thats another story lmao

wanton abyss
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I just hate that it has 4MSS

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and is useless into snow

sage fractal
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Yeaaaah

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Honestly I like the crunch variant most

wanton abyss
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having to pick between sacred and lash out is brutal

sage fractal
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since I never found myself clicking Sacred Sword

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Tera Dark Crunch goes hard

wanton abyss
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I got 2nd at a chicago PC with the crunch variant

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Run Sacred Sword

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it makes your life a million times easier

distant stump
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I think it really depends

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on the item your running

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if your lorb for sure sacred if not lash out

sage fractal
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Pao has other items than sash?

wanton abyss
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Band Pao if you’re real

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tera fairy tera blast

sage fractal
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Band Pao the goat

wanton abyss
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AV pao if you’re built different

sage fractal
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But eh, I never found myself in need of sacred because I usually run hands or shifu with pao

wanton abyss
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valid opinion

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counterpoint

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no u

sage fractal
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uno reverse card

distant stump
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if your running lorb thoug

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your using pao more on its own

sage fractal
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Thats fair

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Does Lorb pao get heatran?

distant stump
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not as a team thingy

sage fractal
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Dont know the calcs

distant stump
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Me neighet

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though pao in any case

wanton abyss
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I think you’d need either the lash out boost or a low bulk tran

distant stump
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does not want to go up against tran

wanton abyss
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tera poison tera blast to cover for the grass and fairy tera ogerooh

sage fractal
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AYO

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Now we're talking

wanton abyss
sage fractal
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But what if its the fabled Tera Bug Tran

wanton abyss
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at that point you’ve been matchup checked

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take your L and go

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Tbh

sage fractal
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valid

wanton abyss
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Tera Bug tran only has two weaknesses right

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Flying and Rock

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so if you pair it with another steel

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theoretically, isn’t it actually pretty good

sage fractal
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on paper

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it would be good

wanton abyss
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…I cooked too hard

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it would be good for the same reasons tera fairy tran is good

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not weak to ground or water, resists fighting

sage fractal
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Yeah except fairy has an even better defensive profile but basically yeah

wanton abyss
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don’t bring your facts and logic into my safe space

sage fractal
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Alright alright I'm sorry

wanton abyss
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Pao is both good and bad

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I’m prob gonna try Lash Out soon

sage fractal
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Pao sure is the glass cannon of all time

wanton abyss
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Heatran beating Chi Yu out for fire type slot is so funny to me

lost phoenix
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you having only one proper fire resist also seems bad

hot monolith
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wild sinew
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@distant stump, are you free to?

snow bluff
distant stump
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Yeah

distant stump
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Specs flutter icy wind is not the best way to establish speed control lol

hot monolith
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would sash bundle work instead of flutter mane?

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I realize I have 2 fairies

distant stump
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First is ditch A tales and moon and add Tornadus and maybe rillaboom

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Something like that is already a great core, and your team is leaning towards HO anyways

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If you want to stick to snow, I think you should switch off sash on ninetales and add in baxcalibur

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Maybe instead of the Urshifu

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Most snow teams have something like Moon, Bax, Tales and Water pon so thats also a good start

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Also

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dont forget to change the teras, go for Water on Shifu, Fairy/dragon on Harc, Water/Ghost/Fire on A tales

hot monolith
distant stump
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Cresselia to set up trick room for nobody, ceruledge and scizor are kinda unviable but stacked together, 2 speed control mons with tw/icy but nothing to abuse it

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If your new to teambuilding I reccomend looking at tournament results or taking a rental team to start out with

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Here are the toronto results as a starter

dawn elm
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I thought rain could be really strong but I’m not sure if the ev spreads and roaring moon’s move set is the best

dawn elm
distant stump
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If you aren’t committed to peli

wild sinew
distant stump
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Go torn and scarf shifu

wild sinew
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That being said, Peli isn't bad and you'd play fine with Scarf Urshifu and a Roaring Moon replacement

distant stump
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Right

wild sinew
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Would still recommend Torn if you want to build rain

distant stump
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Agreed

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Then the evs are part wack

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Especially hands and amoon

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I recommend taking evs from here or from other teams

sage fractal
# dawn elm https://pokepast.es/a0b8bb25e57444e0

its crazy to me that drizzle is actually inferiror to tornadus, as choruto said, tornadus has major advantages to pelipper and still deals significant damage; I also dont think that this team needs 2 tailwind setters especially since roaring moon and pelipper are super dependant on the first turn to set it up properly about the EV's you can go for a rule of thumb if a mon has a lot of HP in Base you should invest in the defenses but thats some Math things that we can get into if you want.

magic light
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So, I'm trying to get into VGC. It's... Challenging me, and it keeps making me feel like I should quit, but I'm still trying. Decided I'd try to build something a bit more standard, rather than utilizing a gimmick 'mon like I usually do. How's this?
https://pokepast.es/f50117db9e1a5eee

drifting onyxBOT
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fresh flicker
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And ChSc > ChBd.

magic light
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Those are... Letters and words, for sure. I have no idea what they mean though--

fresh flicker
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Lando can be amulet.

fresh flicker
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And Choice Scarf is preferred over choice band.

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Landorus-Therian can be clear amulet.

magic light
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Why Amulet, by the way?

fresh flicker
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By H-Arcanine and other Lando-T

magic light
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Ah

fresh flicker
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And Protect over U-Turn on Landorus-Therian.

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Also flutter probably can't get away with those EV's.

magic light
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I dunno, I kinda feel LOrb would be better than Amulet, becuz there's not really a potent thing the Amulet is protecting? Like, Amulet on Garchomp in early Reg A made sense to me, cuz it's protecting your stat increases with SD. But here?

fresh flicker
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I recommend using the standard Special attacking variant.

fresh flicker
magic light
fresh flicker
magic light
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Ah, okies. So Clear Amulet is being run here less so as a "Protect this mon's strength!" and moreso as a "Ehh... Not very much else to run in this thing, why not?"

fresh flicker
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Unless if you're in DOU, you can't really get away with it.

magic light
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If it's longevity it needs, couldn't we run Lefties instead of Amulet?

fresh flicker
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Then we would Sacrifice some power.

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We want to be fast hard hitting, but you can't be reckless with HP as you'll wear yourself down.

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And Clear Amulet doesn't provide any negatives which is quite handy.

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Unlike Orb where 10% or more is spent on attacking.

magic light
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I guess

mint scaffold
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i

fringe wigeon
mint scaffold
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@wild sinew

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:3

fringe wigeon
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Lol thanks mate

wild sinew
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@mint scaffold

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:3

fringe wigeon
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Just a quick glance to see of its OK or not

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I can tweak it myself if yall busy but I'm new to competitive

mint scaffold
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sorry for the long wait they might idk be doing smtn

fringe wigeon
mint scaffold
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@wild sinew sorry for double ping just saying rate plsss

wild sinew
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For one, Volcanion is illegal

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And while these pokemon are viable, they lack synergy

fringe wigeon
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I've been using this for Scarlet and violet doubles

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That's why I put it in sv OU

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I see there's a dou page

mint scaffold
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oh shoot

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sorry leo

fringe wigeon
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I found the right oage

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I'm pretty sure

pulsar trout
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cus torkoal so slow pelipers drizzle activates first then torkoals droughts activates meaning peliper doesnt get the rain up

sage fractal
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This is also true; but Tornadus also brings utility and a overall better statline to the table

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while having bleakwind storm

mint pilot
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austere wasp
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HHP is optional

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can go glide

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its OK tho

hollow plaza
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I’m pretty new still so I’m not sure how this is, i feel like it’s not awful but i also feel like I’m missing something? Do i want tailwind or trick room or something? Or maybe I’m just not using it right? https://pokepast.es/7ca8d36d46d3a9f6

austere wasp
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team comp looks good only need to fix in ev department

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hold up let me get some evs

hollow plaza
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Bet bet

austere wasp
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Iron Hands @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 12 HP / 188 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpD / 52 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Heavy Slam
  • Fake Out
  • Drain Punch
  • Wild Charge

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 124 HP / 12 Def / 196 SpA / 4 SpD / 172 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Moonblast
  • Shadow Ball
  • Protect
  • Icy Wind

Amoonguss @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 228 HP / 244 Def / 36 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Pollen Puff
  • Rage Powder
  • Spore
  • Sludge Bomb
hollow plaza
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Yeah EVs is the department where i lack lmao i usually go full 252 cuz I’m horrible at figuring out how to calc right 😭

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Thank you!!

austere wasp
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personally not good in ev department myself

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tho i go to other ppl heheheh

wild sinew
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Would suggest Heatran over Harcanine for a better Hearthflame mu and less of a Tera hog, Intim being less necessary with Landorus

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I would also suggest something like Baxcalibur over Flutter Mane, you have a lot of support in aurora veil, Fake out, redirection, and intimidate
A set up pokemon could very easily fit there, Bax is seen most often as it has the most synergy with Alolan Ninetales

distant stump
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Whats the calcs for 188 attack

austere wasp
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HIT HARD

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for super bulky thund ig

hollow plaza
wild sinew
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Good luck!

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Remember to change your Tera types

hollow plaza
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Yep yep 🫡🫡

fresh flicker
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It's easier to rate that way.

austere wasp
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it was random evs from my random pastas

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idk why discord makes

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the - bad now

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zzzzz

sterile flame
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I just won a local with this team, there’s a couple things I wanna improve tho

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Maybe ev spreads or a better item for ninetales and ogerpon/something to replace fling

wild sinew
sterile flame
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I honestly beg to differ

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Special eiscue is a pretty decent Ogerpon counter rn

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Freeze dry ohko’s wellspring

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And standard

wild sinew
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Your team is already fine into Ogerpon
Not to mention Eiscue relies on an 80% chance to beat a common form (assuming it kills pre Tera Hearthflame), and freeze dry losses if Waterpon Teras. It has a bad matchup into the rest of the meta and doesn't bring much other ice types don't offer

sterile flame
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With ice face form, he has 110 defense, so terra dragon is really small even against mold breaker

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What ice type would you recommend instead

wild sinew
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Baxcaliber is best with Alolan Ninetales
Chien Pao or not running an ice type is better with Illumise
I wouldn't recommend both on the same team as they play very differently

sterile flame
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Both of who

wild sinew
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Illumise and Alolan Ninetales

sterile flame
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Ah yeah

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Illumise is primarily for speed control, since bundle doesn’t really work with this team

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It was nice since this team can be weak to setup from stuff like goodra-h

wild sinew
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Use Icy Wind over Moonblast on Alolan Ninetales or forgo it entirely

sterile flame
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Valid I like that idea

wild sinew
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Your goal is to bulk through teams with screens and not care about moving first

sterile flame
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Therefore I put ting lu on the team

wild sinew
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Well you would care a bit but it shouldn't be a priority

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How come?

sterile flame
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Bro doesn’t die

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Plus would help out hands and eiscue both with bowl of ruin

wild sinew
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I think Heatran is the best mon in that slot for a better Fire type check, you don't exactly have resistances
Ting Lu is unfortunately not good this regulation

sterile flame
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Yeah

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Urshifu does that to a mf

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Heatran’s a good start

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Plus tera grass I’d have more answers to amoongus

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Also a switch in to steel moves for ninetales

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Also wtf do I put over fling

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Ig if I’m taking illumise off I can put encore

wild sinew
sterile flame
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I’ll fiddle with the 3 and see which works best

wild sinew
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I like Wellspring there but Base also works

sterile flame
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Yah I like normal better tbh

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Just more fun

lost phoenix
drifting onyxBOT
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lost phoenix
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gapdos probably isnt good but i just wanted to try it

wild sinew
lost phoenix
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i need harc to have a semblance of a flutter matchup

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hands over bloodmoon is fair tho

wild sinew
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I think Ghold + Amoon is fine

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Also I believe SoR Brave Bird ohkos Futter anyway

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Yep
252 Atk Sword of Ruin Zapdos-Galar Brave Bird vs. 28 HP / 212 Def Flutter Mane: 157-186 (117.1 - 138.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

lost phoenix
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gapdos + harc is nice since gapdos is an intim punish that does well into wellspring

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i also was meaning to ask

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i dont have 76 evs on my harc and have no idea to put it

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should i just attack?

wild sinew
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Wdym?

lost phoenix
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i have 76 evs left over

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and i have no benchmarks i wanna hit

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should i just invest it into attack

wild sinew
lost phoenix
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i did a few test games

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hands does seem better than bloodmoon

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but i didnt get sold on pao

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just made my harc banded

distant stump
wild sinew
distant stump
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harc is basically the only thing stopping flutter chien from rolling the entire team

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especially with tailwind and taunt

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from torn

wild sinew
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And Gapdos is rlly good into the fwg core

Doesn't seem unwinnable

distant stump
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Nothing is unwinnable

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but like tornadus flutter is not good for your team

wild sinew
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I think I generally am not a fan of Harc on slower paced teams because it's defensive typing becomes a bit of a hindrance

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It's fine as it does fix mus

lost phoenix
distant stump
lost phoenix
wild sinew
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Yeah

lost phoenix
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lives pao sacred and ohkoes tera water shifu with head smash

wild sinew
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One point slower than Eleki but it's not a real mon

north tree
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Breaking swipe is usually run here

lost phoenix
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i need to run it to not lose to kingambit

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swipes makes me lose even harder to gambit

north tree
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You have drain punch hands, close combat gapdos and your only intimidater can flare blitz kingambit. I'm not too sure whether your kingambit matchup is that bad that you need to run brick break which is an otherwise less optimal move.

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Amoonguss also has a good matchup into kingambit due to redirecting sucker punch and threatening spore

candid kiln
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wild sinew
candid kiln
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i'm mostly coming from singles play

wild sinew
candid kiln
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okay

wild sinew
candid kiln
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okay thanks

digital sierra
winter gulch
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local sunroom expert here hates sunroom now bc Rain Dance Torn is too common

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also Solar Beam is kinda mid, I'd switch to Earth Power

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also what does that Flutter spread do

wild sinew
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(Die)

winter gulch
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^asking that for all spreadss actually

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dex flutter spread is actually so op

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also bold no investment Cress is weird

wild sinew
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Believe you waste evs doing that

wild sinew
frosty wadi
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anyone got any tips? built this with a friend and its insanely fun to use and holds it own vs most matchups, even the illumise is bulky and if you want to see the calcs it lives, you'd be surprised https://pokepast.es/cf926e63214087b7 yeah there are some clear problems with this team but you can play around them (flutter, etc.)

digital sierra
frosty wadi
winter gulch
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use torn

wild sinew
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use tornadus

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I didn't say use torn!

wild sinew
frosty wadi
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walked into that one tbf but do you have anything else

distant stump
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flutter food

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isen't it

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only teras I see

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save you

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but still

winter gulch
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I assume you've seen I think Confer's Ilumise team

distant stump
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like a flutter/heatran/landot core

distant stump
winter gulch
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I was talking to the one who is getting an Illumise team rate ._.

frosty wadi
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flutter gets smoke

distant stump
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oh sorry

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:(

wild sinew
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Hands -> Rillaboom
Kommo-o -> Lando
Sinistcha -> Farigiraf
Is a direction I'd go

distant stump
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illum->torn

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fake tears and encore is nice

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but bleakwind and taunt are nicer

frosty wadi
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ok how about help about the mons cause im not changing any mons as of now

distant stump
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i feel like the sets are fine

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the problem is in the team composition

frosty wadi
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im doing this to flutter everytime yall aint stopping me

distant stump
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Your the one who asked for advice

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

frosty wadi
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aside from flutter tho what else does the team seem to have a problem with

sterile flame
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guys what do you think of this set for ogerpon? I think it has good potential

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wild sinew
sterile flame
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oh my bad og

burnt surge
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https://pokepast.es/e9abb6269e60998d
Wanted to build something around Regidrago, and wanted to try and use Waterpon over Watershifu as a way to support the team against special attackers.
I also haven't really used Arcanine-H, nor have I really found a reason to bring it, would something more offensive be a better bring?

winter gulch
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H-Arc is there to boost your chances of winning a regional event by 50%

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besides your Psyspam MU looking maybe a bit dicey I think its solid (although I'm bad at rating so don't trust me)

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also how do you handle opposing TW mirrors

burnt surge
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uh

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I haven't thought of that yet

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how good is something like mimikyu?

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could make it a mental herb trick roomer

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wait this thing doesn't get poltergeist

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hmm

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let me cook

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yo I can haze away dozogiri boosts 🧠

wild sinew
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You can tech Icy Wind on Torn if you find the matchup to be bad, Covert Cloak variants don't need Protect
Tho I think you'd use your defensive options to break mirrors (intim, redirection, fake out)

burnt surge
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yeah my main idea for TW mirrors is tera waterpon

lost phoenix
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Tera dark can also help for tailwind mirrors (faster prankster taunt)

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I also dont think no flare blitz harc is good

winter gulch
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Yeah you need it to threaten immediate offensive pressure

burnt surge
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eeveon do you have some other sitrus harc ev's

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cuz I think I just stole this spread from the pikalytics calc for regular arc

winter gulch
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@wild sinew probably has one

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I don't build much tbh

burnt surge
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wait harc should be tera water

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oops

wild sinew
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I make one rq

distant stump
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I think you want rilla instead of hands

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And urshifu instead of oger water but you said you want to build around it

burnt surge
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yeah I wanted to try the compression of waterpon

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so that I could use a different fake out mon

distant stump
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Band harc is also good here

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The damage from rilla and harc is kinda too much to give up

burnt surge
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I can go band harc

distant stump
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Yeah

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Also

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EVs: 132 HP / 92 Def / 124 SpA / 20 SpD / 140 Spe

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I would use this specs Dengo spread

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I don’t know the exact calls but a friend made it and it’s really good

wild sinew
burnt surge
burnt surge
sharp aurora
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What stats should I give my Cresselia?

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Cresselia @ Mental Herb
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 132 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Trick Room
  • Lunar Blessing
  • Ally Switch
  • Moonblast
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This are the ones I have for now

burnt surge
distant stump
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You’re opening up another Lando-t and flutter weakness with hands

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Rilla also just has a lot more damage

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You don’t really need the electric or fighting coverage

burnt surge
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is two grasses fine?

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that's my main concern

distant stump
burnt surge
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aight

distant stump
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Or shifu on the wellspring slot

burnt surge
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what is this pokemon

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sharp aurora
wild sinew
north tree
sharp aurora
north tree
sharp aurora
north tree
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Haven't used ursaluna much however so you may be better using a set from someone else or from smogon dex

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This set has a favourable roll to live two glides from 116 adamant rilla, minimizes flame orb recoil and hits the 2nd and 1st atk bumps respectively. The special defense investment is due to ursaluna's low base spdef

sharp aurora
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Ah ok got it

sharp aurora
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Ok. After some fixing and help from others. I ended up making this team. It’s a hybrid team and would really appreciate some help to improve the team. What changes would you recommend me? https://pokepast.es/cf88d7486a48b7b8

(Also need help with Ogerpon’s stats. I kinda just rushed them and I know they could be better)

drifting onyxBOT
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austere wasp
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considering you have a lot of eq weak in ur team , consider headlong rush! other than cress no one wants to get an eq, ive looked around for a wellspring spread , this one is wolfe's

Ability: Water Absorb  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Water  
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Atk / 12 Def / 4 SpD / 164 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Ivy Cudgel  
- Spiky Shield  
- Horn Leech  
- Swords Dance  ```
modern harbor
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I would like help with adding a rillaboom on this team can I please have help :3

The link:https://pokepast.es/f40419b936c8952f

If there is something else I could add too this team I would like help

austere wasp
sharp aurora
austere wasp
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overall solid offensive team

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I think you can have a chien pao somewhere

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or , if you dont wanna change a lot , you can make the ursaluna BloodMoon

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as it can cover your lack of Special attackers

sharp aurora
wild sinew
# sharp aurora Ok. After some fixing and help from others. I ended up making this team. It’s a ...

My personal thoughts

Iron Hands appreciates Tera Fire for this team, you already have enough checks to Amoon and Urshifu in Lunar Blessing and Wellspring

If you don't intend to go Tera Fairy Tera Blast, Head Smash's kos are more valuable than Close Combat

I don't like Rillaboom on this team, it's weakening EQ and kind of doubles up on roles here, I think something as simple as Flutter Mane is strong, Booster Energy preferably for this comp

I second Aldrich's suggestion on the bulkier sd, though I would also suggest testing Follow me here, gives you a better matchup into the aforementioned Amoonguss and Urshifu, help Cress set TR, help Luna set up Swords Dance, and is in general a really strong move.

austere wasp
sharp aurora
austere wasp
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earthquake

sharp aurora
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Ah ok

sharp aurora
wild sinew
sharp aurora
wild sinew
austere wasp
# modern harbor I would like help with adding a rillaboom on this team can I please have help :3...

I found a kind-of similar team here https://pokepast.es/eb8aa454770f6606 (Nash) / https://pokepast.es/2a2307ede81a4d96 ( Magnetman) ; but if u want to change a rillaboom I think Sinistcha/Iron Hands has to go - Rillaboom provides Fake out , Terrain + u turn but its not as bulky as u want like hands, but it kinda have the same roles as hands. (wants av, fake out , pivot, hits hard with wood hammer) , Or Sinistcha - personally I think your team doesnt really need trick room (useful, but u seem more of a faster team that doesnt benefit trick room, but having trick room + sinistcha is nice (strength sap + bulky + hospitality))

sharp aurora
modern harbor
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I mean on the drain punch and all its very good

austere wasp
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yeah if ur going to trade sinistcha I recommend a miracle seed version with wood hammer + grassy glide

modern harbor
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Oka

austere wasp
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and like u can free hands tera to something else? maybe fire / water

wild sinew
modern harbor
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Just so you know I did not make this team

sharp aurora
modern harbor
austere wasp
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mostly for covering others like if fire u cover hearth flame + flutter mane

modern harbor
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Okay

austere wasp
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you dont really need grass since u have rilla + grasstran

modern harbor
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Grasstran whats dat

austere wasp
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grass tera heatran

modern harbor
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Ye

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I also kinda want ogerpon on the team but for who?

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Iron hands?

sharp aurora
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I finally made the team. Now how do I use it? I’m the worst when it comes to how to make the team work. (For example leads and all that) anyway is this ok? https://pokepast.es/13bd09959b29c1ee

sage fractal
# sharp aurora I finally made the team. Now how do I use it? I’m the worst when it comes to how...

Except for some EV choices which I would recommend you look some up one the https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/iron-hands/vgc24-regulation-e/ Threads your team seems solid at first; especially your iron Hands strikes me since HP Ev's wont do that much mathematically, same goes for your fluttermane and the investment in bulk and no HP essentially. Also is Tera Ghost intentional on Flutter?
Your Team has a Trick Room setup with Cress+Luna , but the other Mode lacks a bit of support, Ally Switch Cressellia will be a bit volatile since you force a guessing game , at best, with it for you and your opponent.

uncut harness
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I am not the best team builder but this is my first time building a team for this regulation

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I just want to know if these mons specifically will work well in a team together?

north tree
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They do work well in a team, no one would know you are bad teambuilder if you showed them a finished version of this

uncut harness
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I try not to copy specific meta teams

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I try to make my own very own team

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With some meta pokemon ofc

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I am going to use an all out attack Ogerpon

north tree
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Few tips for completion:
Have iron hands be somewhat fast with an av set primarily focused on spdef and atk.
Flutter mane can run choice specs and tornadus sunny day which gives you more power and also helps ogerpon reach it's full potential.
Landorus should be scarf with stomping tantrum, tera blast flying, uturn, and a rock move, preferably rock slide.
Chien pao's most common set is focus sash which I feel is still best here.

wild sinew
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Lmao

north tree
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Nvm it was just the chatgpt response

uncut harness
uncut harness
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I want to start joining in person vgc tournaments and earn CP

uncut harness
wild sinew
uncut harness
tall stirrup
drifting onyxBOT
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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tall stirrup
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I figured because of psychic terrain I could run choice items without fear of being revenge killed by priority

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And trick room is on indeedee to help counter their teams

simple inlet
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U can't use fake out in psychic terrain as well

tall stirrup
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What should I tera on them tho? I figured chi yu would want tera fire for power

sage fractal
simple inlet
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So in short these are the adjustmenets u want to make - Remove fake out from indedee, remove calm mind on armarouge, its already super strong have moonblast and shadow ball on flutter set, overheat on chi yu, heavy slam on iron hands and spiky shield on ogerpon. Also u need to rework your evs in general. My suggestions for defensive teras on - Hands (grass), Chi yu (ghost) and indeedee (fairy)

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Also on team comps like this u should have trick room on indeedee as well

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Also you can get some general ev spreads from smogon as Aylona suggested or you can calc some on your own but I suggest u start from the dex sets

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Leo can u add my name in the ping bot if that's possible?

tall stirrup
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Alright thanks. Besides the moves and evs is everything else like synergy and items ok?

simple inlet
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I think synergy wise there are some ways u can improve too. A good flutter booster set with icy wind and specs chi yu is the way to go

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With this addition you can have a trick room mode with indeedee arma, iron hands and slow but bulky ogerpon with set up and follow me

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And a speed mode with flutter chi yu ogerpon hands or flutter chi yu indeedee arma

tall stirrup
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Ahh ok

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Cause my original idea was to weaken stuff or blow past it with dgleam and heatwave spam but some stuff really just shut it down

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Thx

simple inlet
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Alright test your team well and let us know what problems u face in general 🙂

tall stirrup
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Alr, thanks again

simple inlet
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Anytime 🙂

wild sinew
# tall stirrup This is my first real vgc team. How is it? https://pokepast.es/e265cdc83a52f862

I know it was what you were aiming for, but ArmaDD just doesnt fit here. The other 4 have had consistensy as a balance core and appreciate a slower paced comp like Cresselia + Ursaluna, Dusclops + Bloodmoon, Kingambit + Landorus, etc. ArmaDD works as a Hyper Offensive Trick Room duo on Sunroom or Tailroom compositions, this team can't fully support that style as its a lot slower paced.

Sets are generally questionable, would recommend Speed Booster Flutter with Icy wind to support Choice Specs Chi Yu, who would prefer Tera Ghost to dodge Fake out & Extreme speed. Chi Yu is generally the one with the damage output and Scarf isn't a good item with the current power level, you miss out on kos and get ohkod back.

Hands is fine otside of the Tera & EVs, and switching Stomping Tantrum to Heavy Slam, which youll find on Smogon Strategy Dex

Wellspring wants spiky shield for positioning and ideally follow me on this team. Replcaing Encore and Swords Dance

I also notice that youre new to VGC, you have 0 protects and the synergy is iffy, a lot of the sets also being quesionable. While with the changes, the team works, I would highly suggest using pre existing teams for a better understanding of the meta and how vgc as a format works. This is a successful Toronto team that is pretty similar to yours https://pokepast.es/51c26794405088c8, while this is the list of the teams from the latest regional, https://victoryroadvgc.com/2024-toronto/. As I said, your team can work with the aforementioned changes but it'll be hard to pilot well, you want þo generally question what bad plays you made instead of if the team is bad when you ladder/play.

Victory Road
Alberto Núñez
2024 Toronto Regional - Victory Road

All you need to know about the 2024 Toronto Regional, one of the major VGC events in North America, held on 28–29 October 2023!

wild sinew
simple inlet
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Ooo I see its for the rater stuff got it :0

tall stirrup
winter gulch
simple inlet
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Sure thanks Eeveon I will check that out

burnt surge
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When I see someone saying "eeveon" in the chat I always think of dark eeveon the bw player

austere wasp
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Fyfy u sound fsmilisr

distant stump
simple inlet
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Yeahh

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Fyfyyalt1

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:0

austere wasp
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OHHH that one

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No wonder it felt like i knew u from somewhere

simple inlet
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Yupp

austere wasp
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Regidrago tsareena kid right

north tree
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I think torn ursh kid is more accurate personally

simple inlet
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Yeah I used to run regidrago tsareena in reg d

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and torn shifu rn

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Both teams had torn shifu tho :0

lusty cipher
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Calling the pokemon hivemind

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I've made a team around gliscor - please help me fix it!

drifting onyxBOT
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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

lusty cipher
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Rip it apart as much as you want but Gliscor has to stay!

wild sinew
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Gliscor is just unviable rn

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If you're playing for fun you don't really need advice as you're not serious, but if you are, then your first step would be to drop Gliscor

lusty cipher
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Nahhh surely there's a way to make him viable

fresh flicker
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It's not.

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It's bad in a doubles context.

wanton abyss
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You can certainly TRY! I promise you that you will struggle.

hot monolith
wild sinew
hot monolith
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if that's the case, what should I swap weezing for?

simple inlet
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@lusty cipher The sad case is that gliscor is unviable rn. I suggest you run another mon like landorus t in that slot with provides intim support and doesn't need set up in the first place. All the other elements are solid. Evs need a lot of reworking and use lunar blessing on cress tera grass/fire/water on hands, defensive tera like dragon on dengo with a lot of bulk and either metal coat or life orb. Also arcanine can run tera water in this scenario too.

simple inlet
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This team could actually benefit with amoonguss on the ogerpon slot and scarf shifu in general

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Amoonguss might seem a niche pick rn but a lot of teams aren't prepared for it and u could actually utilise hands and amoonguss in a defensive sense really well and once u land the spores well u can set up the roaring moon.

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This also seems a niche item but u can run mental herb on amoonguss, pretty uncommon but really effective as most of the team's only way to deal with amoonguss is either harc or taunt or lando, scarf shifu solves the harc and lando issue and mental herb allows u to take one taunt and put a key pokemon to sleep.

modern harbor
north tree
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Tera water on urshifu

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Water is a good defensive to type and it brings surging strikes to even more powerful levels

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Apart from that the team makes sense, just tidy up the spreads

sage fractal
# modern harbor Well here is my comp team may you please have a look over tis This is my first ...

You are running a very Setup dependant Mon with Komoo and dont have the Support to help it setup. While Alola-Ninetales and Ogerpon CAN help with Aurora Veil and Follow Me they exert little to no pressure and are weak to Iron Hands. Kommo-o is sacrificing HP for it's setup and is mostly forced into Teraing. In all honesty, Kommo-o feels out of place for this team since it lacks the support it needs for a setup and or Sweep. For your other Mons you should look at optimizing your EV's https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc24-regulation-e/ which you can look up here, as well as potential Teratypes. Also I would not recommend running Flamethrower on Heatran because I think generally the ability to do Spread damage helps Heatran and your Team more.

wild sinew
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Yeah don't be afraid to replace mons

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Kommo-o -> Bax and Urshifu -> Lando would be my suggestions, would like to see the two of you elaborate

north tree
wild sinew
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Lmfao

modern harbor
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And I think I'm fine with these mons

wild sinew
modern harbor
wild sinew
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On this team, this 2 would bring more value

north tree
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I do agree with aylona on kommo o however you have too much to set up

simple inlet
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Imo this team could actually use sub heatran also with aurora veil support

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one of the mons that come in my mind for set up is gholdengo but since u are running heatran that might not be the choice

north tree
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But flamethrower is honestly understandable

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"The opposing x avoided the attack!"

modern harbor
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Ahhh so much going on

simple inlet
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Another option is that u run h-arcanine urshifu gholdengo ninetales rilla/iron hands and a follow me user

modern harbor
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Ajhagsggsgqgwv i said I'm not changing anymore mons

simple inlet
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What is the final core u plan to run?

modern harbor
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The next reg I will change

north tree
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Ok just tidy up the spreads then

modern harbor
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I didn't make this team originally

north tree
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Iron press kommo feels better than clang soul

simple inlet
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True

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with right support one body press is super good

modern harbor
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Okay I will change all of this

simple inlet
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sure let us know ur feedback after proper testing, have fun!!

north tree
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Leo can probably have a field day making specific spreads for scarf ursh behind screens

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Same with the rest

modern harbor
simple inlet
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That's nice to hear

mystic parrot
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oh here okay

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hello everyone

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I dont think the team is suboptimal btw I think for what they're going for the team is fine

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I changed some moves and spreads around to be more standard and tera types

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you might also want to change boom's tera to fire and run a more defensive set

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Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: fire
EVs: 188 HP / 28 Atk / 164 Def / 108 SpD / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Grassy Glide
  • Wood Hammer
  • U-turn
  • Fake Out
    i've had alot of fun with this
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glide is pretty meaty even at such low investment and woodhammer can kill most bulky mane

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uturn and fake out are util and don't need investment

mystic parrot
simple inlet
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It won a regionals so has some potentials

mystic parrot
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@modern harborhttps://pokepast.es/2eb1c84fb4496a4f a few more changes

modern harbor
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Ok

mystic parrot
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people here seem pretty sure on IDBP for kommo-o can't hurt to test it

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Its a version of mattie morgan's toronto team but i used spreads I liked more

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lmk what yall think 🙂

simple inlet
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I think its a tried and tested core

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Pretty strong but needs good positioning on kingambit

mystic parrot
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Im pretty mediocre I think

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positioning is something im working on

simple inlet
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Its all about setting gambit with all the support in general

mystic parrot
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fair

uncut harness
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@wild sinew I finished

drifting onyxBOT
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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

uncut harness
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That’s what I got so far and thinking of using it in the in person event I am planning on going to

distant stump
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Some minor stuff, you want either thunderbolt or a supportive move instead of protect on flutter

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I think you want a more offensive instead of a swords dance variant on the hearthflame, but if your commited to SD run some defenses

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the chien set is weird, you definelty want protect instead of sacred/crunch

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I assume sacred there

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252/252 adamant is the best set for dark

uncut harness
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Alright

distant stump
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If your going to run sacred instead of crunch

uncut harness
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Thunderbolt on flutter could be fine

distant stump
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run tera ghost

uncut harness
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Hm why?

distant stump
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Because what dark moves will you be boosting

uncut harness
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This is a team I put together for in person vgc tourney

distant stump
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Not worth boosting suckers damage

uncut harness
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Ok ok

distant stump
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ghost is more utility

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I like lorb on pao with jolly if your running sacred but sash is fine

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preference in playstyle

uncut harness
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Maybe fighting tera?

distant stump
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Dont

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Its not worth it

uncut harness
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Oh ok

distant stump
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Poison/ghost/dark are the best, ghost if your sacred with no lorb imo

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then on landot

uncut harness
distant stump
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dont run spikes, run stomping

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EVs: 156 HP / 76 Atk / 76 Def / 4 SpD / 196 Spe

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For swords dance

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this should be ok

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but your already super Ho

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I think just go full offense

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especially with pao

uncut harness
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Hmm doesn’t stomping hit teammate as well?

distant stump
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Earthquake does

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stomping doesen't

uncut harness
distant stump
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Hearthflame with swords dance

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Dont run 236 speed, might as well go for 252 on the lando t

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The torn evs are pretty bad, for covert

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EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 116 SpA / 116 SpD / 20 Spe This is the most common ev spread

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I like sky plate but for covert run that

uncut harness
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I love the offense

distant stump
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then dont run swords dance!

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I mean

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you can run it

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but like at least go wood hammer instead of horn leech

uncut harness
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I did horn leech bc it’s frail and it can heal

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And do dmg

distant stump
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The extra damage on wood hammer is more usefull

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esp on a full offense set

uncut harness
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Hmm

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Alright

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Imma run some of the other changes and try it out

distant stump
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Alright

uncut harness
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then i’ll see if I need

distant stump
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also not the biggest fan of the flutter evs I think the speed is worth

uncut harness
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I feel like tornadus should be bulkier

uncut harness
distant stump
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is jolly

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and the torn spread

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is modest

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for flutter

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EVs: 68 HP / 196 Def / 44 SpA / 4 SpD / 196 Spe Modest

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Or

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EVs: 28 HP / 212 Def / 132 SpA / 4 SpD / 132 Spe Timid

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are both good

wild sinew
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Choruto have you noted that rain dance should be sunny day yet

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Boosts Hearthflame and Flutter, while rain doesn't do anything for the team

distant stump
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Yeah diden't see that

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Go for sunny day

wild sinew
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With that change you'd probably consider Tera Fire Hands for a fire resist, with your own Lando being a switch in to opposing Lando

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I second
Horn Leech -> Wood Hammer
And
Swords Dance -> an attacking move like Knock Off
For Hearthflame

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And as Choruto has said, Protect is mandatory on Chien Pao

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Protect is useless on Choice Specs Flutter Mane, many attacking or supportive options can be considered
Stealth rock is also unviable on this team, vgc is much faster paced and you're not getting enough value from rocks in general. This is without mentioning your team is hyper offensive, so you'll have a harder time switching and resting the Choice Lock. Stab in Stomping Tantrum gives much more value

uncut harness
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Should I not have made an HO team for vgc?

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I was thinking about replacing Lando or Torn for rillaboom @wild sinew @distant stump If that makes anything better

distant stump
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make sure to run grassy on Hearthflame

wild sinew
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You lack a direct Grass spam check that way and you have less sturdy options into Heatran

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Which is problematic for your sun mode

uncut harness
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Ohh ok ok

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Alright

uncut harness
wild sinew
uncut harness
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Alright

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Imma try both and see

wild sinew
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Have to go, happy to respond to anything within an hour if it hasn't been answered

uncut harness
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I hope I do well with this team in the tournament

digital sierra
distant stump
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DD roaring moon as you already have is just better

wanton abyss
distant stump
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Well the dragon dance set certainly isen't

wanton abyss
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Nvm that’s a dd gyarados

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What are you cooking

distant stump
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Idk ask him

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I think you should switch out Gyarados and Chi yu

wanton abyss
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There’s also not enough ground immunities to justify EQ

digital sierra
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is there a set i should run instead?

distant stump
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there aren't any special attackers to utilize the boost and it presents another weakness to lando t

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which has a pretty great MU into the team

digital sierra
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i was considering swapping regular luna for bloodmoon

distant stump
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no you want regular luna here

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I think go gambit instead of the chi yu

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You can keep gyarados if you want, running a intimidate set but I dont reccomend

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Wellspring or flutter are both optiosn

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You definetly want speed on the moon, even if attack boosting set

digital sierra
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imma go with flutter bc if i bring oger than the team will be 100% physical attackers

distant stump
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hands also does not want 252 hp

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Alright

digital sierra
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except cress

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so basically, just swap chi-yu and gyarados for flutter and gambit?

distant stump
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yup

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and then change the ev sets

digital sierra
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remove some hp on hands and put it into attack and spdef?

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also, what set should flutter have?

distant stump
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Specs is fine

digital sierra
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standard 252 speed 252 spatk?

wild sinew
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I think Chi Yu -> Flutter and Gyarados -> Wellspring

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Are the big changes

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You want more support to assure Roaring Moon sets up, who btw should have knock off over breaking swipe on this set

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This means you'd want a redirector, who ideally doesn't have that bad of a mu into Landorus

digital sierra
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should i just drop tr entirely?

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it feel like it would be counter intuitive when built around a dd mon

wild sinew
digital sierra
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could i swap goggles on cress for cloak?

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fake out has been a big problem for setting up tr and safety goggles only came in handy once when testing initially

digital sierra
wild sinew
wild sinew
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I don't think it's that big of an issue

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You can consider mental herb because you already have 2 spore immunities, one of them being a redirector, and the ability to click Lunar Blessing anyway

digital sierra
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digital sierra
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ye

wild sinew
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Oh okk then just replace it with Wood hammer?

wild sinew
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Would suggest that yeah

uncut harness
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Then I can just keep the 252/252

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If I put wood hammer

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Sorry ev spreads are kinda hard for me

wild sinew
wild sinew
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Ok

uncut harness
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I just need the ev spreads for lando

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Idk what to put except that

wild sinew
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it just gives me a rundown on what vgc is

wild sinew
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Click the link
It has evs for whatever pokemon you're looking for

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Scroll down

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Click one of the names

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uncut harness
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oh got ittt

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thanks

digital sierra
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done some testing

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so far, tr has been pretty useless

wild sinew
digital sierra
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like 5

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6 now

wild sinew
digital sierra
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okay yeah in hindsight i think i was just using it wrong

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i just played another game and cress+luna+oger clowned them

uncut harness
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@wild sinew would ogerpon nature be better adamant or jolly?

wild sinew
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Ok thanks

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wild sinew
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there

wild sinew
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wild sinew
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Also ideally change the Tornadus Tera

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Dark is the easiest to pilot

uncut harness
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Okk

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wild sinew
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Unnecessary

uncut harness
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Ok

mystic parrot
burnt surge
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Might just be me but why is clops used along speedy pokes

distant stump
mystic parrot
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Chi-yu+Dusclops: High offensive pressure and Snarl to help get Trick Room up.
Dusclops+Bloodmoon: General Trick Room lead, Protect+Trick Room is a good T1 play.
Dusclops+Wellspring: Wellspring provides pressure and redirection to dodge taunt.
Lando+Anything: Lando damage mitigation is super strong.
these are the four I have written down in notes I have

distant stump
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Your way too open to a double up into the BM / Chi yu or the dusclops

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and you can really stop them

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with follow me or fake out you can safley set up the trick room or set up

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I thought that was nasty sorry, it still should be fine though

mystic parrot
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it did not come across nasty

burnt surge
atomic mantle
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Looks perfectly fine

distant stump
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I think you want band on the harc, and I think you can consider switching something out for farig

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But I’m is current state the team is Good

frosty wadi
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what does the 20 def on drago do if i may ask

wild sinew
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Leftovers after you hit the last spa bump

wild sinew
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I think no protect Harc is hard to pilot

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If you're not going Band that is

burnt surge
wild sinew
burnt surge
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aight

uncut harness
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what nature should I have torn?

distant stump
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and then I reccomend jolly on the pao

wild sinew
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Jolly and Adamant are fine on Pao

distant stump
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both are fine

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looks more like a jolly set

uncut harness
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Alright bet thanks

tropic tinsel
drifting onyxBOT
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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

distant stump
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Dozogiri does not jive with that at all

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With dozo giri you want usually offensive threats than can clear out hazards for the dozo and generally chip or things that can support it in some way via screens, tailwind, etc

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This team doesen't really have any of that

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Amoonguss is extremelly passive, same as palafin at the start and you cannot really take advantage of both of them wanting to switch in and out

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same as Iron hands, you really want to be pivoting in and out to reset fake outs and potential intimidates

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This is completely ignoring the fact that palafin is kinda unviable and why does it have facade and taunt?

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Overall some pretty big holes in the composition / flow of the team, I doubt it would work well

atomic mantle
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Have been fucking around with varitons of this double intim moon core for about all of reg e

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this the current vr

wanton abyss
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Personally, I like double intimidate into the metagame right now. Just be careful of Kingambit and GrassPon stuff

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Torn TW stuff also looks mad annoying into you

north tree
atomic mantle
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I want tect

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I might go plate

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And i want a power bumb

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also i like outspeeding max pon

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idk maybe im being a picky fuck

wanton abyss
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depends on whether you like having your cake and eating it too

atomic mantle
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i could also just change the spread :p

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currently its this

sage fractal
# atomic mantle https://pokepast.es/58d2a94414a1690a

I quite like this Team, while I think that Tornadus would do better than Roaring Moon, I think both fill a very similar role. In Terms of your Fluttermane I'd personally go for Specs since it hits really nice damage thresholds against many common sets. I am not quite understanding the item choice on Lando because this seems like a very HO team with an Amoonguss support.

atomic mantle
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And I like moon over torn but I might try out torn

quaint phoenix
drifting onyxBOT
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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

quaint phoenix
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This is fun, trust

wild sinew
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what

wanton abyss
wild sinew
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Unfortunately

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Or at least

quaint phoenix
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This is serious

wild sinew
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I'm not going to rate them and will leave it to someone else who's interested

wild sinew
# quaint phoenix This is serious

In short
Scarf Chi Yu is bad, Iron Moth isn't great and Flutter is the better Chi Yu support, bright powder Tatsugiri is inconsistent and not worth it, Chien pao pretty much always wants Sash more than oger, who's set isn't great for this team as it has anti synergy with Dozo, you'd benefit from a more aggressive partner abusing Pao's Sword of Ruin

wanton abyss
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Scarf Chi Yu is actually the part of the team I’d keep

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Iron Moth is absolutely unusable without Flutter Mane though

wild sinew
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These teams just prefer Icy Wind Flutter and Specs Yu

wanton abyss
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and if you want sash Ogerpon, there’s a forme with sash quite literally built in

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team’s unoptimized and doesn’t know what it wants

wild sinew
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Pokepaste please.

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It's easier to rate that way and it doesn't take up space.

burnt surge
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!pokepaste

drifting onyxBOT
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atomic mantle
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That takes up spac

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E

burnt surge
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Also raters only do completed teams

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If you think bundle will help here, why not try it?

broken tusk
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Any tips on improving?

frosty wadi
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this may be the wrong place to ask but just wondering what will vgcpl managers be looking for generally is it tour results or what (ex vgc swiss tour) or other vgc teamtours

atomic mantle
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Ask in vgc cord

burnt surge
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!vgcresources

drifting onyxBOT
atomic mantle
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Ty tbolt

burnt surge
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Np

atomic mantle
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I always forget the chatot bot commands

burnt surge
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You can run /custom list

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Should list the commands you can use

atomic mantle
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/custom list

burnt surge
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Hm

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Looks like you can't run chatot slash commands

drifting onyxBOT
atomic mantle
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?

winter gulch
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well results don't matter nearly as much as the other two

nova quarry
wild sinew
# nova quarry https://pokepast.es/91514e74b86d6516 is kingambit TR viable?

Yes, it's viable

Swords Dance is generally the best 3rd move on Gambit imo, and while I prefer Tera Dark, Fairy is fine.

Would suggest less bulk on your Flutter Mane and more speed, ideally hitting 132.

I'd say you'd benefit more from a bigger offensive threat that can take advantage of Flutter Mane's Icy Wind in the Urshifu slot. Chi-Yu is an example used in other comps, Dragonite and Ogerpon Hearthflame are other Pokemon to be considered.

atomic mantle
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Wtf is that lando spread

wild sinew
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The Smogon spread

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I like the second atk bump but you hit hard enough with the first one

atomic mantle
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Zero dam

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Age

cursive mason
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lando has 145 base atk the first bump is fine enough (I also like having the second bump)

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I’m rlly considering changing Lando for Rillaboom

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I feel like grassy terrain would be good and maybe I would be able to run SD on oger

wild sinew
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You want Landorus for the Heatran matchup

distant stump
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Nah

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he can totally run rilla

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most run high horsepower anyways

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you already have hands

uncut harness
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True

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Also

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For Oger ev spread

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I might just go with what you said before @distant stump

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For SD

distant stump
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Sure

uncut harness
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I gotta see bc I am so indecisive

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And currently trying to ev hands rn

winter gulch
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I'd go Rilla here actually

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like that team just feels like it gets wiped with Ursh rain

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what is rain dance on Torn for

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I feel like the only thing that does is make your TW Ursh mu worse