i swpped hands and tinkaton for armarouge indeede
#VGC Rates
stuck sigil
manic pond
I would give the bonnette and Sitrus berry
stuck sigil
why?
manic pond
Bc it’s better
winter gulch
You should probably be recommending stuff like Bullet Seed Loaded Dice...
balmy valley
Bullet Seed dice OHKOes flutter so that's useful
winter gulch
always does more damage, breaks through sashes and probably subs
balmy valley
also this isn't related to the convo but I was pretty interested when I found this
252+ Atk Protosynthesis Slither Wing Close Combat vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Ting-Lu: 252-296 (100 - 117.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(172 HP is the spread I found on pcalc)
stuck sigil
You should probably be recommending stuff like Bullet Seed Loaded Dice...
oh shit right
manic pond
You should probably be recommending stuff like Bullet Seed Loaded Dice...
There’s so much more utility with Sitrus set
I prefer it over loaded dice
Crunch bring flutter down to sash
And your partner can pick it off
winter gulch
You're running a hard TR team
you need the immediate offensive pressure to pick up as many KOs before your TR turns expire
normal stream
Crunch bring flutter down to sash
bullet seed breaks the sash and ohkos the flutter...
manic pond
No shit
manic pond
Tf you mean
I understand the point
I just prefer Sitrus
Crunch is still good damage output
And Sitrus let’s you stay on the field longer
With spore and rage powder support
And after poison tera fluttermane isn’t an issue
cursive mason
Loaded dice also means you can invest a lot into bulk and still do a lot of damage
shy flare
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spiral shale
https://pokepast.es/39d25d6c93a48f50
dumbass stall that works fsr
proud forum
Pretty sure this is bad but I don't know why, probably a lack of real coverage https://pokepast.es/f89348a4a47558d9
was originally thinking Earthquake on Ting-Lu and Telepathy on Oranguru but found out quick that that's the only practical situation to have Earthquake given the comp
bold creek
@spiral shale That is a disgusting deck
proud cove
I really want to make a team that uses a "fake trick room"
using things like armarouge torkoal and fargiraf
but insteadof setting trick room, they have tailwind and use speed boosts
catching the enemy off-guard
It might not work, but i love ideas like dondozo + storm drain tatsugiri, where the opponent think you will do something, but you do the opposite
can someone make a team like this?
cursive mason
https://pokepast.es/39d25d6c93a48f50
dumbass stall that works fsr
How do you beat perish with this
spiral shale
uhh
ive added gholdengo but its still not great
i might make it perish trap stall tbh
violet notch
I really want to make a team that uses a "fake trick room"
using things like arm...
thats not how this channel works
you make the team
people in here make suggestions
warm wigeon
so after two relatively unsuccessful vgc teambuilding attempts, i finally won a couple matches with this team i built
https://pokepast.es/a447c9c7d71e12ac
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manic pond
so after two relatively unsuccessful vgc teambuilding attempts, i finally won a ...
No protect on anything is crazy
versed root
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versed root
i threw together this team and its ok
prob alot to improve
idk if i should run web or tbolt on zone
manic pond
Bolt
warm wigeon
No protect on anything is crazy
Ikr
woven rose
https://pokepast.es/4af9192bb47daaa1
this is what I'm looking at for regulation c. Problem is that I am not really using palafin that much. I've been experimenting with a lot of physical attackers but then I end up having a ton of weaknesses on my end. Thoughts?
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fallow garden
Can I get some advice for this team https://pokepast.es/718b71e9af5a7eb0
I made a post on RMT for more info
winter gulch
I think the concept is ok, I'm just confused at a lot of suboptimal sets
fallow garden
I think the concept is ok, I'm just confused at a lot of suboptimal sets
here you go
winter gulch
just let me give you the feedback lol
fallow garden
ok lol
winter gulch
Great Tusk generally wants to be Sash or Life Orb, while running Headlong Rush/Protect/Close Combat/ +1
Annihilape generally runs a bulky adamant set with Protect/Rage Fist/Drain Punch/Bulk Up with Leftovers as its item
Maushold wants Follow Me for the amazing support option, plus NEEDS Beat Up so you can proc your own Annihilape's Rage Fist. Technician is ok but generally on a team like this I think Friend Guard with a defensive item like Sitrus could be good
Torkoal seems ok, not sure if you need it just for sun (maybe add a TR setter on your team to give you that option if you want) + you generally want Eruption/Flamethrower or Heat Wave/Earth Power/Protect with Charcoal (or you can run a more supportive Torkoal set with Yawn), but just not Eject Pack
Jumpluff could probably be a bit more annoying with Sleep Powder, Tailwind, Pollen Puff, and another supportive move (Rage Powder, Charm, Encore, Helping Hand)
winter gulch
Jumpluff is kinda a weird pick
fallow garden
yea but I picked my poison
shy flare
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manic pond
https://pokepast.es/dc972510248e5940
The mons are fine but I would change some of the sets
Palafin should be jet punch wave crash protect + either coverage or haze (depending on your dondozo match up)
The pelipper set is good I would consider changing wide guard for hydro pump
Only if you find it not doing enough damage
You would need to test the team out more tho
I would either change the gholdengo set to a specs set or get rid of Thunder and add nasty plot
And ammongus usually doesn’t run black sludge
Usually something like Sitrus berry
Covert cloak
Or mental herb
Also I have no clue why you’re running tera fire amoongus
But people usually run water, dark to help with indeedee armourouge, or ghost to help with perish trap match up
manic pond
The gholdengo set I would consider bulky specs
You’re already mitigating your fire weakness with the rain
shy flare
Is it better https://pokepast.es/46cb3b23f2383a50 ?
manic pond
I like covert cloak on amoongus
That’s a good switch
Since you have so many water Tyler naturally garganacl would be an issue
But that cover for it
You can run dazzling gleam but there are probably better moves
Something like steel beam
Is something I would look into
That palafin set is still doodoo tho
shy flare
And do you have a advice against electric mons for my team?
manic pond
What electric moms are there in the format rn?
shy flare
That palafin set is still doodoo tho
I don't want to lose hp with wave crash
manic pond
I think it’s just hands
shy flare
What electric moms are there in the format rn?
Idk (I'm new to VGC)
manic pond
And do you have a advice against electric mons for my team?
You have amoongus for a defensive switch
And tera ground in pelipper
Change that palafin set
Wave crash is your best move
All that mon does is hit hard
You need a strong move to get the most out of it
shy flare
https://pokepast.es/ca9dc889bc66f11b Is it better?
manic pond
Protect instead of ice punch
There’s no reason to run ice punch
And I would prefer haze over close combat
But it’s fine
shy flare
And I would prefer haze over close combat
cc cuz coverage
shy flare
Protect instead of ice punch
ice punch cuz, uh idk
manic pond
Protect
woven rose
Protect. Ice punch doesn’t really apply offensive pressure to anything that doesn’t apply more pressure to you
honest burrow
Hey, made a s3 team with a friend, need help with Tera Types, anyone down to help?
tidal solstice
https://pokepast.es/0a99c506d40f9fc8
I'm super new to VGC, like 30% win rate type of new, I need help and some tips!
slate escarp
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slate escarp
Trying out vgc, if there’s problems with the team lmk
lost phoenix
https://pokepast.es/6746e003febd0640
Dozo just wins, use mystic water haze palafin
cursive mason
Yeah you def want the MW haze pala here
Also with Pala EVs they generally spec more into bulk and atk than speed
honest burrow
Hey, made a s3 team with a friend, need help with Tera Types, anyone down to hel...
Someone?
winter gulch
https://pokepast.es/0a99c506d40f9fc8
I'm super new to VGC, like 30% win rate ty...
I think a lot of the sets you use are a bit weird/suboptimal, I can quickly fix them up for you:
Palafin looks good, you probably want Mystic Water> Sitrus and maybe could consider Tera Water (Grass is good too)
Iron Moth typically runs an Acid Spray set to compliment Flutter, maybe try Heat Wave/Acid Spray/Protect/Energy Ball with Tera Grass
Tusk generally wants Sash or Lorb, Let go with Sash with Headlong Rush/Ice Spinner/Protect/Close Combat
The others look fine, I'm really not sure what the EVs are for (particularly confused about the Flutter)
hidden path
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winter gulch
Is it really necessary to have all 4 ruins?
Seems like you just slapped all 4 in and called it a day
valid mesa
I mean even if that was okay to do, they all just have somewhat random sets with 4 moves no Protect
Dragapult is Hasty despite being fully Physical
And your Drifblim is Flame Orb Unburden
Please don't just throw things together without any real care. If you take more consideration, we'd be able to give you better advice as we'd have more to work with
manic pond
because that is what i did
Wildin
manic pond
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manic pond
lemme get an opinion
i feel like wo chien can be repalced by somehting stronger but idk what
im def lacking damage output but i have the bulk to stall
timber meadow
https://pokepast.es/903ab6fda0be4079 yo if anyones down to help me id rlly appreciate it
alot of this came from pikalytics
hearty rampart
https://pokepast.es/9cb2db94453155ff
Struggling against Iron Hands and could use a bit of tips. Thinking about replacing Garchomp but not entirely certain.
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hallow wing
https://pokepast.es/5f41b4bf773b7c87 wanted to make a team Including iron jugulis and chief pao wondering if there anything I could change go make it better
manic pond
https://pokepast.es/5f41b4bf773b7c87 wanted to make a team Including iron juguli...
Protect sucker punch ice spinner scared swords
Since it’s frail sword dance is probably more optimal on a sash set
On a lorb one you’d probably just wanna go with immediate offense
winter gulch
I wouldn't recommend SD Chien Pao imo
Also what does your team do against Chien-Pao DNite combo
cursive mason
You could make your Ghold really bulky so it lives a crunch from Chien but the mu would still suck, it would just make it a little better
Also tbh I think Chien needs the sash more than pelipper here
You could realistically go bulky sitrus pelipper
winter gulch
❤️
clever tangle
https://pokepast.es/12aaa65a55f814b4
Hey what do you guys think? This is my latest attempt at a regulation C team.
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honest burrow
Hey, question about s3, what are your thoughts on throat spray sylveon?
tardy badge
idk'=
honest burrow
I’m asking cuz the ruinous Pokémon are coming back and all are dark types, and I want to know if hyper voice sylveon in doubles could function well as a setup sweeper if paired with something with helping hand and baton pass
honest burrow
@main plaza @normal stream @winter gulch Can someone give me ideas for the last slot and my moves? https://pokepast.es/afbef6d8ef6c8bbd
manic pond
<@794709179083784274> <@263732913487478784> <@543549395195658240> Can someone gi...
I would consider switching bronzing for something
You already have a trick room setter
In mimikyu
Which is just generally a lot better than bronzong
So bronzong doesn’t really have a purpose on the team
I would run lorb three attack mimikyu aswell
I could consider arcanine and a strong special attacker
honest burrow
You already have a trick room setter
It’s a tr team
Also bronzong is there because it dodges eq from ting lu, and is a tr setter
manic pond
Yeah I know
But the only thing it does is set trick room
And you already have mimikyu for that
cursive mason
https://pokepast.es/9b35b8581f92a809
Pretty solid for someone learning vgc, I would advise making roaring moon booster energy Tera flying acrobatics, iron bundle sash, and then probably replacing meowscarada with something like amoonguss
Also personally I would want a more offensive item on Ghold like LO
valid mesa
I'd actually disagree with Tera Flying Acrobatics. I think this is clearly a defensive Roaring Moon which is fine
I'd go more into it and go Sash Bundle, Support Energy Roaring Moon, Specs Gholdengo
honest burrow
And you already have mimikyu for that
Are there any other setters that might work work with what I have so far?
valid mesa
with that plus Snarl Wisp Arcanine, you can give a lot of precedence to your attackers as Roaring Moon + Arcanine handles your whole supportive backbone
manic pond
Are there any other setters that might work work with what I have so far?
You already have one
Mimikyu will like always get trick room up
tardy badge
with that plus Snarl Wisp Arcanine, you can give a lot of precedence to your att...
thankz dude
i posted this team some daays ago
nobody helped me
and thankz chromate
cursive mason
I'd actually disagree with Tera Flying Acrobatics. I think this is clearly a def...
Oops, I honestly don’t know the set for breaking swipe moon and all the ones I play on ladder are still acro, so my bad
tardy badge
ok
valid mesa
Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 212 HP / 108 Def / 188 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Breaking Swipe
- Snarl
- Roost
- Tailwind
something along these lines
valid mesa
I think that you might find yourself being a bit too linear that way, so experiment with the others leads
tardy badge
ok
iguess arcanine and toxapex
with snarl
btw @valid mesa
iron bundle
is bulky
no need of sash
valid mesa
it's not that bulky
tardy badge
ok
or hydriegon and tailwind strat
btw whose better hydriegon or moon @cursive mason
valid mesa
roaring moon
tardy badge
ok
valid mesa
especially if you're wanting the support slot
tardy badge
ok
cursive mason
Yeah moon for sure
cursive mason
TatsuDozo can be hard if you’re unfamiliar with playing it
valid mesa
https://pokepast.es/93fb18b7eed3fd85 I'd possibly try something like this
it's very positional though
because most of your offense is going to have to come from Gholdengo and Hands, then Bundle lastly
so your primary goal is to win the war of attrition by using Roaring Moon, Arcanine and/or Amoonguss to put the opponent in such a bad position because their board is so far behind
tardy badge
ok
valid mesa
that'd probably be the biggest piece of advice if you pilot something like this
don't rush into the wincon
think about how you can position a board such that their attackers really aren't capable of doing much
and how you can get gholdengo/hands in best to exploit the fact that they are lacking their output
tardy badge
ok i got another team with some changes could check it
it is not in pokepaste
but in pic format
valid mesa
I can have a quick look but then I have to go after
valid mesa
It's a novel idea using Toxapex, but this is just not the format for it
tardy badge
wdym
valid mesa
well, it just sorta sits there and does nothing much of note until it dies
you're probably also just gonna find they're going to just ignore it the whole game
because they know it can't do anything to them
at best they expect you to poison them, maybe/
honest burrow
I could consider arcanine and a strong special attacker
K, so removing bronzong, add rk9, leaves one open slot still
manic pond
I would suggest putting your team into Marriland team builder
And get an understanding of your weaknesses
Also look at pikalytics to get an idea of what Pokémon you might want to use
And which ones you want to prepare for
You need a mon to cover for your ground weakness
Assault vest dragonite looks strong
Looking at your team
A strong special flying type looks strong on this composition
Or a flying type in general works
honest burrow
I was originally thinking a flying type, I’d like to have them be special attacker
bold creek
Pachirisu>maushold
manic pond
Wildin
timber meadow
https://pokepast.es/903ab6fda0be4079 advice lol
manic pond
Genuinely
Not very good at all
A lot of the Pokémon you’re using aren’t the strongest stat wise and they aren’t strong enough to match up into the current meta game
You should look at sample teams first
You’ve also got weird sets on like Pokémon that are actually good
You have no item air cutter iron bundle
Safety goggles on talon flame
And covert cloak on garganacl + you have avalanche on it
sand echo
pure crystal
https://pokepast.es/9ceabc610d93dfb9 @valid mesa @winter gulch
manic pond
https://pokepast.es/0924ba543fd50bf4
There’s nothing wrong with this team
What was the idea behind it
What problems have you run into?
sand echo
none i just built it so i wanna make sure it’s good before i go use it
valid mesa
"nothing wrong" - the double ground is counter intuitive given you have a random Armarouge and a Gholdengo that both don't let you click Earthquake. Garchomp has Stealth Rock for whatever reason, despite not really being a good move for VGC at all. The Annihilape is super random and not properly integrated, that's the scarf set yet you have a Sitrus. I would probably do something along the lines of Roaring Moon or Talonflame over the Garchomp, fix the bulk on the Amoonguss, probably switch out Annihilape here cause it's barely integrated anyway. Could see a 6 like Talonflame, Iron Bundle, Great Tusk, Gholdengo, Amoonguss, Garganacl/Iron Hands working better
manic pond
"nothing wrong" - the double ground is counter intuitive given you have a random...
I was being sarcastic
Why am I getting shade
Tf
valid mesa
because you said "There's nothing wrong with this team", and you can't exactly show sarcasm over the internet
best avoid that when you're trying to help people, because they would have taken that candidly given they had no issues and wanted to make sure their team was good
sand echo
"nothing wrong" - the double ground is counter intuitive given you have a random...
ah ok ty 🙏
vocal pagoda
This is my first time building a team for doubles. I had this idea while at work of using defog to get rid of screens and also give a defiant boost to my teammates, but since this is my first time making a doubles team I have no doubt it’s flawed somehow. Just needed some advice on how to proceed! https://pokepast.es/86b72395799878ff
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heady kiln
This is my first time building a team for doubles. I had this idea while at work...
you've never tested this team
defiant does not activate when an ally lowers your stats
vocal pagoda
It doesn’t?!
Damn
Uhh can I still salvage it? Defiant is still really good against intimidate spam
heady kiln
I'd recommend starting again, or taking an existing sample team that uses kingambit
check pins for teams
vocal pagoda
Man, I thought I had a big brain moment
Also I have a question. Why is there no set for dragonite for vgc series on smogon?
Is he not good there?
heady kiln
because nobody made it yet
vocal pagoda
O
heady kiln
also updating resources is very difficult when the format constantly changes
you can find the VR here
vocal pagoda
I probably won’t get into vgc for a while, at least not until I get another flash of inspiration
Thank you for the resource though
manic pond
Pelipper serves no purpose
You have triple flying
The sets and items are not optimal
vocal pagoda
My idea with Pelipper was to mess with the opponents weather
And gastrodon was in case they bring a rain team
That was my thought process
manic pond
You don’t need opposing writhed necessarily in this format
Most people just use a paradox mon to take advantage of their own weather and opposing weather
If you’re gonna run rain it’s basically mandatory to run palafin
Bc pelipper is not good enough in its own
To slap onto any team
Also let me help you fix your sets
Wait
Can you tell me the idea behind the team
vocal pagoda
Tailwind
manic pond
Bc that helps with making sets
vocal pagoda
And defiant vs intimidate spam
manic pond
And defiant vs intimidate spam
That’s better
Well the main intimate mon is arcanine
So you have your two defiant mons
I would check pikalytics to check what Pokémon are paired with arcanine
So you can add a lemon
*mon
To counter those mons
manic pond
vocal pagoda
Goodbye gastrodon
manic pond
These are the kind of sets I would run
manic pond
Goodbye gastrodon
Yeah he’s not the BEST this format but he can definitely be used
Mostly as a dozo counter
But there are better options for that
Like tera water arcanine amoongus iron bundle
Palafin
vocal pagoda
https://pokepast.es/cee5e97c2d5f43e0
I notice that you got rid of ice spinner, what about psychic terrain?
manic pond
Well
Armour cannon is still an issue
Hmmmmmm
You could just add ice spinner
Instesd of brick break
manic pond
Flutter mane amoonguss bundle
Well a good counter for all of these is booster energy iron bundle
vocal pagoda
Why Tera flying instead of espeed? For amoonguss I assume?
manic pond
And it pairs well with icy wind + assurance kingambit
manic pond
Why Tera flying instead of espeed? For amoonguss I assume?
Yes
Adamant 252 tera blast
Always kills amoongus
vocal pagoda
I don’t know the ranges for everything, so I’ll just put 252 252 4 on everything for now
manic pond
That’s completely fine
You don’t need to optimize evs when initially making a team
You start adjusting based on your teams weaknesses the more you test
The most you should be taking into account is speed creeping certain Pokémon like iron bundle under tailwind
vocal pagoda
Ok, I think we’re getting somewhere
I just copy and pasted the data from smogon for the evs
Maybe I could do Tera dark kingambit
Tidy up doesn’t get rid of screens does it
manic pond
Nice
Now a support mon looks like the finishing touch
Something like amoongus or maushold
Personally I think maushold would be best
Prock rage fist boost
And help your fluttermane live even more hits with friend guard and the addition defense ev’s
manic pond
<@869337104684036196> I added bulky specs flutter mane to deal with sun
Don’t add so much to ho
*hp
Focusing on defense is better
vocal pagoda
I just copied the smogon set
manic pond
That’s probably better then
Usually just add 4 hp 36 speed 252 modest and then the rest into defense
Hp benefits both defense stats
Since you’re already base 135 spdf
I just focus down defense specifically
Idk
Try goggles maushold
Beat up
Super fang
Follow me
Protect
252 hp 252 speed
vocal pagoda
Is feint ever seen on maus? I’m curious
manic pond
No
vocal pagoda
Interesting
manic pond
Feint is barely seen on anything
I’ve only ever seen it on av tinkaton
But no one runs that
You’re fairly weak to dondozo
Maybe you could add charm to maushold
To deal with that
vocal pagoda
You’re fairly weak to dondozo
What are the calcs on bundle vs dozo?
Is it not even a 2hko?
manic pond
Usually a three shot
Depends on the dozo spread
Kingambit should be assurance iron head sucker punch tera plast
vocal pagoda
Kingambit should be assurance iron head sucker punch tera plast
Tera flying?
manic pond
Yes
Counters your ground and fighting weakness
And assurance has good synergy with all the faster mons on your team
And icy wind bundle
manic pond
You need beat up
For annhilape
Replace protect with beat up
And test the team out
If you find yourself never clicking charm
And wanting protect
Then replace charm with protect
But test the team as is for now
manic pond
Ok
hidden path
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plucky cairn
https://pokepast.es/6f6ca2fbb90e9f46
Built this Team trying to use wo-chien Because i Love the idea of his ability, got to 1300 with it in one Sitting and the early Game cripple with arcanine and sylveon Works really well with the clean up from dragonite, what do you think?
heady kiln
https://pokepast.es/6f6ca2fbb90e9f46
Built this Team trying to use wo-chien Bec...
snarl, pollen puff, and leech seed are much better options on wo chien
plucky cairn
I tried leech seed and Never got to use it
But i didnt Knew it knows snarl lmao
Will Change that rn
And i also tried Pollen Puff but Never really got an Opportunity to use it
But Still better than dark Pulse i guess
heady kiln
you'd use leech seed over whenever you'd use stun spore
heady kiln
is sylv normally that fast?
plucky cairn
Its really slow
heady kiln
seems like you'd lose a lot of frailty
your only speed control is bundle icy too
yeah I'm pretty sure sylv goes tanky
plucky cairn
yeah I'm pretty sure sylv goes tanky
Okay
plucky cairn
your only speed control is bundle icy too
Doesnt extreme Speed Kind of count as Speed Control too?
heady kiln
I mean in relation to sylv
plucky cairn
Oh yeah
heady kiln
having some kinda speed control bench would be the only justification for going that fast
but idt it's relevant for this team
if you wanted a fast fairy flutter mane just exists
plucky cairn
Yeah but i think sylv fits better
And when i think about it, the Speed EVs don’t really make Sense
heady kiln
though speaking of flutter, it may be a problem for you too
plucky cairn
I thought gholdengo is enough
Only reason Why i have it in the Team
Maybe i swap gholdengo for gambit
heady kiln
I'm not sure which is better for you, might still be ghold considering rest of team
I think fairy tera is better than flying for wo?
plucky cairn
I think fairy tera is better than flying for wo?
Yeah i Wasnt sure about the tera
On wo
heady kiln
flying's main benefit is eq immunity but it's already a ground resist
heady kiln
fairy gets that too, without gaining ice ele rock weak yeah
heady kiln
gl
lost phoenix
https://pokepast.es/880189917396366e ive been testing ape on this team
heady kiln
while you also now don't activate off snarl
lost phoenix
i could do goggs ig
heady kiln
you could do sitrus and swap out volc item?
lost phoenix
volc could also be cloak
heady kiln
or another pinch berry
lost phoenix
to block snarl
heady kiln
sounds better to me
hidden path
https://pokepast.es/cd31f7429607715e
help?
heady kiln
you certainly don't need a second stag mon
the gengar seems pointless?
have you used the team yet?
hidden path
yep
gengar is for a team that heavily relies on tr or something similar
like tatsu dozo
so thats why i had the haze
hidden path
nah i suck with perish trap
golden patrol
https://pokepast.es/bd9319a3dbacadf3
Hey all! Lmk what you think and how it might be improved!
drifting onyxBOT
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golden patrol
feeling sus about dazzling gleam on sableye, i'm missing smth good to hit with fairy type attacks
like - i might not need it, but still would be good to have one
maybe fairy tera blast kingambit?
bold creek
This team has a lot of different tricks which are really good and actually consistent
Just seeing if I can improve anything with evs or stuf
heady kiln
why not close combat slither wing?
honest burrow
It looks like your two options are iron jugulus and slamemce
What about Wash with scarf+trick set?
has levitate, only weak to grass which you already have multiple resists, acts as a pivot with volt switch which is very valuable on these kinds of bulkier teams, you can run a scarf/trick set to make it fast outside of tr, which also gives the benefit of further crippling opposing pokemon while in tr
manic pond
Good point
A rotom form can work
Probably specs tho
Trick volt switch
And then more
honest burrow
Probably specs tho
Scarf farther cripples things while in tr tho
bold creek
rotom
is
a
gud
pokemon
thoughts on this team
Just bored and cba to watch vancourver since series 3 is already out
covert hill
Hello everyone, I was building a team for VGCs regulation C, just trying out some concepts and I wanted to build a chien pao team
but I'm not sure about his teammates tho
bold creek
Dragonite
covert hill
does anyone has an idea of good chien pao team mates?
bold creek
Strong physical attackers
bold creek
HmmmmmMMMm
covert hill
like something to help dragonite + chien pao
covert hill
thoughts on this team
I'll take a look
covert hill
I think the team looks solid overall but why encore on palafin?
bold creek
surprise factor
covert hill
Yes but haze always helps
bold creek
was thinking magnezone but
covert hill
It isn't bad to have haze
bold creek
not realy bulky
bold creek
focus sash
covert hill
he's very weak defensively
bold creek
wither
covert hill
slither wing?
bold creek
u wanna build a dragonite chien pao team together???
covert hill
u wanna build a dragonite chien pao team together???
Sure
I started with chien pao sash + dragonite extreme speed dragon dance
only have these two mons
bold creek
k lemme get showdowm up real quick
covert hill
k
covert hill
I already have DD on dragonite so priority seems better
and speed doesn't seem like a problem
bold creek
ice spinner
covert hill
yes but armarouge is a problem to chien pao
covert hill
but you're right tho
bold creek
Ruin pokemon smack them
covert hill
Yeah u are right
bold creek
So
covert hill
well anyways I like more priority, but what do u think?
bold creek
either taiwind
well depends both r strong
Priority learns into bulky team
tailwind leads to more bulky team
covert hill
I'd go with priority
but what options do we have?
both in priority and tailwind
I mean pokemon choices
bold creek
So priority
covert hill
Yes
bold creek
I think
Dragonite
chienpao
bax
ling gambit
amoonguss
arcanine
and Tailwind
covert hill
I like the team but not sure about baxcalibur
covert hill
He has ice shard tho
bold creek
Ye tru
But lol Do you want a rain team wither?
oh ye tailwind
Dnite
chien
chiyu
flutter
garchomp
corvinight
covert hill
Honestly I think priority is stronger but tailwind had really strong Mons
I think tailwind seems a really solid way
covert hill
But priority has many good options aswell
bold creek
its fairly frail
covert hill
What do u think?
bold creek
So
Really
Like
priority has ups and weakness
Eg not having enough damage
and tailwind
dies to trickroom
well unless you play correctly
u want me to build a quik sample yeam 4 both
and see which one u like?
covert hill
u want me to build a quik sample yeam 4 both
No it isn't necessary
I liked more priority
covert hill
I think amonguus fits well on this team
it can redirect attacks and heal dragonite
keeping it's multiscale
bold creek
just thinking one sec
Multiscale is bad
for choiceband
if lum berry have
multiscale
covert hill
But I wanted a DD dragonite
Not sure about banded dragonite
I like more the DD set
bold creek
Ye tru
covert hill
why
manic pond
You don’t have the bulk next to chien pao to take advantage of dragon dance
Bc it lowers your physical defense aswell
bold creek
lol
manic pond
Making you frail
bold creek
I think chien pao is too frail
covert hill
oh yeah you're right
bold creek
I love balance teams
covert hill
I didn't thought of that
manic pond
I like bulky teams
covert hill
Maybe u're right
bold creek
G
covert hill
We could try a tailwind team
bold creek
I make the most retarted teams ever
manic pond
I would recommended an offensive core of dragonite chien pao and palafin
And have three defensive mons
To help pivot
covert hill
but if dragonite has band what do I put on his moves?
manic pond
Idk
covert hill
and do I use inner focus?
manic pond
I prefer mutiscake
bold creek
covert hill
yeah me too
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bold creek
Rotom mow
bold creek
ye tru
manic pond
Especially since your bulk is compromised
covert hill
yeah you are right
bold creek
manic pond
Plus you don’t want to be intimidated
manic pond
Mow and scizor?
bold creek
I am a firm believer of encore palifin its actually hilarious when its used properly
manic pond
Also pelipper isn’t needed necessarily
covert hill
why outrage on dragonite?
bold creek
Outrage
covert hill
dragon claw is better
bold creek
just
covert hill
but he's locked into the move
bold creek
still
manic pond
Nexts to chien pao
bold creek
It works
manic pond
Great end game move
manic pond
You need a bulk
covert hill
arcanine?
bold creek
that was quik
honest burrow
Scarf farther cripples things while in tr tho
@manic pond ?
manic pond
manic pond
<@869337104684036196> ?
Send the team
manic pond
still need a last mon tho
I really don’t like pelipper
I can’t lie
I don’t think it’s the best
And you don’t NEED it for palafin
Palafin operates perfectly fine without it
manic pond
But I need a tailwind setter
Use something else
honest burrow
covert hill
But priority doesn't deal enough damage
I need something to deal big damage and still attack first
manic pond
https://pokepast.es/3cb59f7802b5cff8
Scarf def is not an optimal item for rotom
honest burrow
Explain?
manic pond
Explain?
You want bulk
And you will be faster under trick room 💀
Just use something more consistent
Look at pikalytics
manic pond
I need something to deal big damage and still attack first
Idk
Specs fluttermane + tailwind is strong
Or bundle
covert hill
You have priority
But what would u use in the tailwinder place?
flutter seems rlly good
manic pond
I mean I guess you can keep pelipper
bold creek
anyone up for some showdown games?
manic pond
Idk what else you would add
honest burrow
Look at pikalytics
Regulation C isn’t out on pikalytics
bold creek
wierd
manic pond
Regulation C isn’t out on pikalytics
Brody use the current series
bold creek
whats your name?
manic pond
eggesinbeds96
honest burrow
Brody use the current series
Won’t the meta be different?
bold creek
manic pond
I haven’t gotten shit
Let’s both
Reload
Lemme know when you’re on
So that I can send
honest burrow
bold creek
lol
manic pond
I love wo chien
bold creek
arcanine gave me trouble
manic pond
I had to conserve that thing
bold creek
Ye
bold creek
probably should have used rotom
bold creek
again?
manic pond
probably should have used rotom
It only would’ve blocked the leech seed recovery
Yeah
manic pond
Ok
bold creek
iron jugulis was valuable
manic pond
Run it back bro
manic pond
Your jugulus set is so strange
bold creek
just saying I invested enough bulk
manic pond
Tera ground earth power
bold creek
Rotom lives flare blitz
bold creek
Ye it won thoughYe
manic pond
The arcanine dying there was good
bold creek
Cause raw forces
doesnt break
ye
raw force
or Dnite
chien pao
cant break through
so Encore
manic pond
The u turn is what lost me the game
bold creek
Ye
manic pond
I needed to conserve the wochien
manic pond
I kept terraing the arcanine bc tera water wave crash from@baby palafin
Is always a one shot
manic pond
what tera is your wo?
Fairy
bold creek
Ye
i dont have
wave crash
on palifin
I have a leftovers set
my team looks normal but has some tricks
eg no protect on rotom but trick and willowisp
bold creek
Sad times
manic pond
THATS SO SAD
bold creek
the stall team lol
manic pond
My team is gay as shit
bold creek
the minimize pokemon had psyschic seed
so plus one SpD
and
attack drop
and then
minimiz
sub
and lastly
leech seed
and then had flingo
flamingo
manic pond
Does anyone know a good vgc set for eiscue
Don’t use it
manic pond
What do you think of my team ?
What’s the idea behind it?
I don’t understand lilly coal compositions very well
north rain
I am not sure about lilligant, but I wanted a chlorophil grass type to counter water types
golden patrol
What’s the idea behind it?
https://pokepast.es/8631271f8f71ea01 hey! got back now here, sorry, feel free to ping me when you have the chance to check
was trying smth more of a guillotine and fissure thing, but maybe kingambit isn't the right choice here
wyt?
manic pond
Fissure is a good move on ting lu
If you want to build around that it needs healing support
From Pokémon like grothitelle wo chien or ammongus
golden patrol
you're right, i'm just not experienced
amoongus is there
also, i feel like bronzong has potential
golden patrol
like he deals ton of damage with body press but was wondering about a way to max defense faster
manic pond
like he deals ton of damage with body press but was wondering about a way to max...
No other way other than iron defense
golden patrol
got you, so might just go for another tr setter ?
like this team started as a earthquake ting lu
manic pond
For ting lu I like heavy slam/stomping tantrum/ruination/fissure
manic pond
got you, so might just go for another tr setter ?
Yeah
Something like mimikyu is ALWAYS good
golden patrol
i like mimi a lot, so why not
sterile flame
Don’t use it
